The Villages hopping south of the turnpike

[T-325]

Hmmm.. I have heard someone mention the words Manifest Destiny before.

From the **************

In surprise move, The Villages to build homes
in 'Village of Fenney' in Wildwood

Although the project on about 1,000 acres will not be contiguous to the rest of The Villages, it will be part of it and known as the Village of Fenney, which is the name of a nearby spring. The property is along County Road 468 south of the proposed Florida Turnpike interchange, southeast of the intersection with U.S, 301.

https://www.google.com/maps/@28.8151111,-82.0424526,8529m/data=!3m1!1e3

[RickeyD]

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[baustgen]

Take the words "build out" from your vocabulary.

[RickeyD]

Apples and oranges. Village in name only, not The Villages.
Although might be an alternative for those not wanting the hustle and bustle.

[asianthree]

So like the professional housing, off bubble

[Iaudit2000]

According to Daily Sun, residents will share in all the same reciprocal privileges as other villagers and current residents can use the new ones.

[Challenger]

I am not looking forward to build out. Loss of the steady hand of the developer on the helm will probably bring unwanted and unexpected consequences. Those who have experience " build out" in other projects have quite often be disappointed . "Be careful what you wish for, you may get it".

[skip0358]

Agree. Could you imagine a Mayor for each Village. Different rules, taxes climbing. NOT !

[Kahuna32162]

I see a tunnel coming under 44.

[justjim]

Anybody who thought the Villages was building a 4 lane road to "nowhere" just didn't have their "thinking cap" on. In addition, a strong rumor has been maintained for some time regarding The Village developer having an option on land between Rt. 44 and this project announced this morning in The Daily Sun. The "fat lady" about ready to sing The Villages to a close can sit down now!

[tuccillo]

The day in and day out operations are really handled by the CDDs. The rec centers and other amenities, such as the MMPs and executive courses, are turned over to the CDDs. The roads are turned over to the county, excluding the roads in the CYVs. In the completed Villages, the developer has essentially no responsibility. CDDs are setup, in part, to provide a mechanism to collect money to maintain the amenities and infrastructure.

I am not looking forward to build out. Loss of the steady hand of the developer on the helm will probably bring unwanted and unexpected consequences. Those who have experience " build out" in other projects have quite often be disappointed . "Be careful what you wish for, you may get it".

[tuccillo]

Management is handled by the CDDs and the county. Each CDD does have elected officials. Over time, the Developers representation goes to zero but initially he has a say. There is a regular lecture, typically given by John Rohan, that explains how the amenities/infrastructure is managed.

Agree. Could you imagine a Mayor for each Village. Different rules, taxes climbing. NOT !

[Chatbrat]

when will there be a mono rail

[N44125]

Read the article in the Daily Sun. Anyone have the ability to post a map on TOTV showing location and boundaries of the new TV location? I understand the general location but not the specifics. Thank you.

[twoplanekid]

Until and unless the “New” Villages have better amenities, I suspect that most of the people in Fenney will travel north and few above 44 will travel south.

[JP]

I am not looking forward to build out. Loss of the steady hand of the developer on the helm will probably bring unwanted and unexpected consequences. Those who have experience " build out" in other projects have quite often be disappointed . "Be careful what you wish for, you may get it".

I totally agree. I've lived in a development that the developer finished and it was never the same after they left. Everything rapidly spiraled downhill. So as I agree the developer is not actively involved in older CDD's, the developers continued presence is a really good thing!!! Hooray for us.

[champion6]

Here are some maps from the Agenda of the Wildwood City Commission meeting.

[Chopper]

Directions to the Village of Fenney. Cross over Hwy 44 at Morse Boulevard on to Hwy 468 and drive over the bridge that goes over the Florida Turnpike. The property is located on the left side of Hwy 468. If you know where Hwy 468 intersects with Hwy 301, that is where the property ends. This area is quite a considerable distance from The Villages.

[Bogie Shooter]

Is there a golf cart lane on that new turnpike overpass?
If not I am going to open a new street legal golf cart store.:$:

[outlaw]

Directions to the Village of Fenney. Cross over Hwy 44 at Morse Boulevard on to Hwy 468 and drive over the bridge that goes over the Florida Turnpike. The property is located on the left side of Hwy 468. If you know where Hwy 468 intersects with Hwy 301, that is where the property ends. This area is quite a considerable distance from The Villages.

4.98 miles from Hwy 44 to what appears to be the access point based on the development plan.

[NYGUY]

Kind of surprised, but now the Genie is out of the bottle, no end in sight!!.:crap2:

[outlaw]

Not surprising for many of us.

[Bay Kid]

More new golf courses!

[tuccillo]

My guess is car access only from other Villages. If so, the 2 executive courses probably won't get much play from other Villages.

Directions to the Village of Fenney. Cross over Hwy 44 at Morse Boulevard on to Hwy 468 and drive over the bridge that goes over the Florida Turnpike. The property is located on the left side of Hwy 468. If you know where Hwy 468 intersects with Hwy 301, that is where the property ends. This area is quite a considerable distance from The Villages.

[twoplanekid]

Directions to the Village of Fenney. Cross over Hwy 44 at Morse Boulevard on to Hwy 468 and drive over the bridge that goes over the Florida Turnpike. The property is located on the left side of Hwy 468. If you know where Hwy 468 intersects with Hwy 301, that is where the property ends. This area is quite a considerable distance from The Villages.


Almost in another country. see wildwood city agenda ->http://wildwoodcityfl.iqm2.com/citizens/FileOpen.aspx?Type=1&ID=1108&Inline=True

It is a smart way for them to sell property not adjacent to the current Villages.

[justjim]

Is there a golf cart lane on that new turnpike overpass?
If not I am going to open a new street legal golf cart store.:$:

According to current law, street legal golf carts are restricted to roads marked 35 mph and less. Rt. 468--- 45 mph highway. Many cars currently travel above the 35 mph speed limit on Morse now and a street legal going the limit of 25 mph are a danger to themselves and to the others traveling down Morse Blvd.

[Chatbrat]

You will only get a speeding ticket if you are more than 5 mph, @ that speed you will get a warning. In all reality a 15 mph difference between vehicles is unsafe.

Police in Fl will most likely ticket you for speeding once you are 9mph above the posted limit, that's when $$$ kicks in.

[alwann]

Dear Developer:

Please buy a large parcel of beachfront property and build a new village on it. Of course, it won't be contiguous with The Villages-Prime, but we who live here would have access to all the amenities there.:rant-rave:

[billethkid]

Do not rule out the future land aquisitions between the new location and the existing Villages southern most location.

Build out? We don need no stinkin' buildout!!!!!

[Villager Joyce]

Dear Developer:

Please buy a large parcel of beachfront property and build a new village on it. Of course, it won't be contiguous with The Villages-Prime, but we who live here would have access to all the amenities there.:rant-rave:

I would live at the beach and come here for amenities. Maybe we can home share.

[villagerjack]

If the Government ever gets turned over to the residents, the permanent residents will dominate, the seasonal population will be doomed and then we will see just how important the seasonal population is to TV as housing prices plummet due to a huge decline in demand.

[looneycat]

You will only get a speeding ticket if you are more than 5 mph, @ that speed you will get a warning. In all reality a 15 mph difference between vehicles is unsafe.

Police in Fl will most likely ticket you for speeding once you are 9mph above the posted limit, that's when $$$ kicks in.

a $250 ticket

[looneycat]

If the Government ever gets turned over to the residents, the permanent residents will dominate, the seasonal population will be doomed and then we will see just how important the seasonal population is to TV as housing prices plummet due to a huge decline in demand.

omg you better sell quick, the sky is falling!!!

[tuccillo]

I am not sure what you are referring to. The "Government" is the CDDs and the county and you get to vote for your CDD representatives. The Developer has positions initially on each CDD but they eventually age off as all the homes sell.

If the Government ever gets turned over to the residents, the permanent residents will dominate, the seasonal population will be doomed and then we will see just how important the seasonal population is to TV as housing prices plummet due to a huge decline in demand.

[outlaw]

If the Government ever gets turned over to the residents, the permanent residents will dominate, the seasonal population will be doomed and then we will see just how important the seasonal population is to TV as housing prices plummet due to a huge decline in demand.

Four districts have already been turned over to the residents. I haven't noticed any difference.

[justjim]

If the Government ever gets turned over to the residents, the permanent residents will dominate, the seasonal population will be doomed and then we will see just how important the seasonal population is to TV as housing prices plummet due to a huge decline in demand.

Villagerjack I agree real estate is all about demand and The Village Developer does a tremendous job of marketing The Villages. If or when there is "buildout", prices could go down a bit because of demand but I doubt they will plummet. Some think prices of resales will go up but that is not the trend in other retirement communities that have built out. Of course, there is no place like The Villages so who really knows---most of us will have "passed" by build out anyway---a sobering thought.

[rhood]

Looks like the property is very close to the Coleman Federal Correctional facility.

[villagetinker]

Looks like the property is very close to the Coleman Federal Correctional facility.

Yes, that is going to CDD 13. :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[maybe]

They may include a couple golf courses and a rec center or two in Fenney, but more Fenny residents will be coming to the existing contiguous villages for activities than the reverse. They will not be widening Morse Blvd. or Buena Vista, for increased traffic, nor adding extra gates where lines already sometimes exist.

Perhaps most importantly it confirms how much many home buyers were lied to when told that "this is the final village", and that the developer has now eliminated the need for additional villages to even be contiguous to "The Villages". They are opening the floodgates and now there is no limit is sight. If they can toss in thousands of new houses from 4 miles outside "The Villages", I see nothing preventing them from doing the same 10 miles away, or 30 miles away, etc. In effect, they are selling perpetual yearly passes to this adult Disneyworld to anyone they wish to, thus revealing the lie of having been told the amenities are only available to residents of "The Villages". Yes, they neglected to add that the definition of "The Villages" will always be open to change by the developer.
I will be glad to be shown otherwise, but at this point I see no impediment to the developer taking over other developments in which houses already exist, and bringing them "into the fold". Sure, they will make more money building houses, but if demand for that declines, will they really refuse to open another money tap just because it is less profitable?

[Chatbrat]

As I said before the last rec center will be in St.Pete-ge ready to change the Name of Florida to the State of the Villages

[JoMar]

Nothing in the article mentions an over 55 community......might be similar to what he is doing in the Panhandle.

[billethkid]

This announcement will only add to the attractiveness of new commercial businesses coming to the "area".......maybe even some we have always wanted.

The so called center of gravity for TV has been one that moves. First Spanish Springs was the center piece......then in 2005 along came Sumter Square and TV and commercial enterprice grew all around it.......then Brownwood2012(?) and if the past is an indicator (and in the case of TV and it's draw, it most certainly is) ....there will be significant commercial growth South along and South of 44.....44A.....466A.

[ditka41]

In the article I read in today's Sun, there is no mention of pools or MMP to built in Fenny. If we thought things were crowded already, buckle up! Perhaps it will all stop at the Gulf or Atlantic? How much is too much? Is this really what we bought into originally? Very similar to the "Welcome Gate" surprise we discovered too late. Guess one should never assume the sales people are not deceptive. Now we understand Brownwood's location. We will simply learn from these things and attempt to look at every little detail before buying anywhere again. There are valid reasons for rushing potential buyers to get the money on the table and not all are related to demand.

[villagerjack]

Villagerjack I agree real estate is all about demand and The Village Developer does a tremendous job of marketing The Villages. If or when there is "buildout", prices could go down a bit because of demand but I doubt they will plummet. Some think prices of resales will go up but that is not the trend in other retirement communities that have built out. Of course, there is no place like The Villages so who really knows---most of us will have "passed" by build out anyway---a sobering thought.

Amenities are still under the control of the CDD and if residents ever get control, clubs will form to squeeze out seasonal residents. It has happened in a lot of over 55 communities but not here, thank God. In places like Sun City Hilton Head, Clubs have overtaken many activities ( they want year rounders) and that is why you don't see many snowbirds there. Result..my home here has gone up about 35% since I bought in 2007.while the home I own and rent in SCHH has declined 25% since 2007. I am not trying to be negative, only to present the facts as they are.

[tuccillo]

The ink isn't dry on the morning paper and already the sky is falling ;-) Just as Villages on the north side have no impact on my daily life, the Village of Fenney will most likely have no impact either. The Developer has effectively scaled the resources up as The Villages as grown and businesses follow where the money is. Sure, there are a few issues such as Morse above 466 but overall the Developer has done a good job of managing growth. It would be prudent to wait and see the exact plans before drawing any conclusions. For example, I doubt there will be golf cart access but we don't know for sure (unless someone has some inside information). They appear to be planning to maintain the same ratio of homes to executive courses.

In the article I read in today's Sun, there is no mention of pools or MMP to built in Fenny. If we thought things were crowded already, buckle up! Perhaps it will all stop at the Gulf or Atlantic? How much is too much? Is this really what we bought into originally? Very similar to the "Welcome Gate" surprise we discovered too late. Guess one should never assume the sales people are not deceptive. Now we understand Brownwood's location. We will simply learn from these things and attempt to look at every little detail before buying anywhere again. There are valid reasons for rushing potential buyers to get the money on the table and not all are related to demand.

[tuccillo]

The residents cannot get "control" over the amenities but you do get to vote for the Board of Supervisors for your CDD. You may find the CDD Orientation class useful:

VCDD Orientation (http://districtgov.org/school.aspx)


Amenities are still under the control of the CDD and if residents ever get control, clubs will form to squeeze out seasonal residents. It has happened in a lot of over 55 communities but not here, thank God. In places like Sun City Hilton Head, Clubs have overtaken many activities ( they want year rounders) and that is why you don't see many snowbirds there. Result..my home here has gone up about 35% since I bought in 2007.while the home I own and rent in SCHH has declined 25% since 2007. I am not trying to be negative, only to present the facts as they are.

[buzzy]

So, the term "build-out" is now replaced by "build-away"

[champion6]

Nothing in the article mentions an over 55 community......might be similar to what he is doing in the Panhandle.The ordinance passed by the Wildwood City Commission uses the phrase "Age Restricted Active Adult" throughout the document. From what I have read over time, this is used to describe what we commonly call 55+ communities.

[villagerjack]

The residents cannot get "control" over the amenities but you do get to vote for the Board of Supervisors for your CDD. You may find the CDD Orientation class useful:

VCDD Orientation (http://districtgov.org/school.aspx)

And who will be voting for these Supervisors? Mostly Permanent residents who will elect them because of their positions . Bottom line if the Morses no longer control the Seasonal residents will lose. The Villages is by far the most user friendly facility for seasonal residents in the world. That is simply why we attract so many and others don't and that is why our home values are much higher.

[tuccillo]

You should go to the CDD Orientation Meeting if you haven't already.

And who will be voting for these Supervisors? Mostly Permanent residents who will elect them because of their positions . Bottom line if the Morses no longer control the Seasonal residents will lose. The Villages is by far the most user friendly facility for seasonal residents in the world. That is simply why we attract so many and others don't and that is why our home values are much higher.

[NYGUY]

The ordinance passed by the Wildwood City Commission uses the phrase "Age Restricted Active Adult" throughout the document. From what I have read over time, this is used to describe what we commonly call 55+ communities.

That is correct!!

[Bogie Shooter]

According to current law, street legal golf carts are restricted to roads marked 35 mph and less. Rt. 468--- 45 mph highway. Many cars currently travel above the 35 mph speed limit on Morse now and a street legal going the limit of 25 mph are a danger to themselves and to the others traveling down Morse Blvd.

Yes, 45 mph now.................easily changed in the future.

[Bogie Shooter]

If the Government ever gets turned over to the residents, the permanent residents will dominate, the seasonal population will be doomed and then we will see just how important the seasonal population is to TV as housing prices plummet due to a huge decline in demand.

I think the demand for true Village experience will be there. Buying out in the boondocks with a couple executive golf courses, isn't TV experience.

[Bogie Shooter]

In the article I read in today's Sun, there is no mention of pools or MMP to built in Fenny. If we thought things were crowded already, buckle up! Perhaps it will all stop at the Gulf or Atlantic? How much is too much? Is this really what we bought into originally? Very similar to the "Welcome Gate" surprise we discovered too late. Guess one should never assume the sales people are not deceptive. Now we understand Brownwood's location. We will simply learn from these things and attempt to look at every little detail before buying anywhere again. There are valid reasons for rushing potential buyers to get the money on the table and not all are related to demand.

Now is the time to correct your mistake...............

[Bogie Shooter]

And who will be voting for these Supervisors? Mostly Permanent residents who will elect them because of their positions . Bottom line if the Morses no longer control the Seasonal residents will lose. The Villages is by far the most user friendly facility for seasonal residents in the world. That is simply why we attract so many and others don't and that is why our home values are much higher.

The land owners. You need to research the facts as they are, rather than just throwing out a guess.
BTW are you a seasonal resident

[ditka41]

Now is the time to correct your mistake...............

Don't be surprised if lots of Villagers feel the same way. Should that occur you can see the prices dropping like rocks.

[Mleeja]

The news of the new village will have zero impact on my day-to-day activities. Folks from the new development will have Villages access, but I doubt someone will drive to my area to use pools, rec centers, or golf courses. I would be willing to bet the new development will not have much impact on most of the commenters to this thread! The one benefit for the far southern Villagers might be commercial development will be spurred in this area. That would be a good thing....

However, I won't be losing any sleep and will probably continue to get a chuckle from the "sky is falling" post to this topic!

[Duppa]

For those of us who lived all our lives in the North (of Mason Dixon OR, for that matter, anywhere else on this planet), the kind of growth under discussion literally everywhere at TV is nothing short of unreal phenomenal... Where market forces appear to rule, more homes, more swimming pools, more rec centers, more golf courses = more commercial opportunities = greater good for all... What's wrong with more? The only thing better than forty thriving golf courses is fifty-one thriving golf courses... They have built it, we have come... Until something changes, enjoy the ride...

[photo1902]

How cool would it be if you were able to travel from the Village of Fenney to Orange Blossom by golf cart...maybe stop overnight at a hotel mid way?

[dbussone]

How cool would it be if you were able to travel from the Village of Fenney to Orange Blossom by golf cart...maybe stop overnight at a hotel mid way?

Excellent! And maybe we could entice Darrell to open another restaurant near the hotel. It would be great to have a hearty breakfast before tackling the other half of the trip.

[outlaw]

As I said before the last rec center will be in St.Pete-ge ready to change the Name of Florida to the State of the Villages

I'm thinking The Village of Key West...

[photo1902]

Excellent! And maybe we could entice Darrell to open another restaurant near the hotel. It would be great to have a hearty breakfast before tackling the other half of the trip.

:wine:

[CFrance]

when will there be a mono rail
As soon as TV abuts Disney.

[TVMayor]

How cool would it be if you were able to travel from the Village of Fenney to Orange Blossom by golf cart...maybe stop overnight at a hotel mid way?

http://i.qkme.me/3pzjwa.jpg

[CFrance]

Yes, that is going to CDD 13. :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
That's funny!

[champion6]

In the article I read in today's Sun, there is no mention of pools or MMP to built in Fenny. <snip>The ordinance passed by the Wildwood City Commission show this, in part. It's long, but it essentially identifies a primary recreation center (I can only guess that it will be what we call a village rec center - like a Sterling Heights or Captiva), two neighborhood recreation centers (probably neighborhood pools), various trails, MMPs, and parks, 9 or 18 holes of golf.
2. Amenities: The numbers and types of amenities for the residential neighborhoods of Wildwood Springs have been integrally master planned with the development, based on experience with proportional amenity provisions for communities of similar scale and character. These amenities shall include:
a. The primary recreation center offering active and passive recreation opportunities, comprising approximately 17.5 acres, and providing community-scale meeting and group activity spaces with a catering kitchen; an interpretive center and natural preservation/park area of about (4)4 acres around Fenney Springs; active sports facilities such as pickleball, shuffleboard, and bocce ball; large swimming pool; passive park and picnic areas; and pedestrian paths connecting to the network of multi-modal and nature trails throughout the Project.
b. Two (2) neighborhood recreation centers offering active and passive recreation opportunities, each comprising approximately 1.4 to 1.7 acres, and providing a postal pick-up, neighborhood-scale gathering spaces; active sports facilities such as shuffleboard and bocce ball; swimming pool; passive park and picnic areas; and pedestrian paths connecting to the community's network of multi-modal and nature trails.
c. A linear park integrated with the main roadway through the community, featuring a 12' multi-modal trail from pedestrians and cyclists meandering through a 42' landscape-buffered tract, as the main greenway connecting other amenities, open space areas, and the integrated network of pedestrian trails throughout the community.
d. An extensive passive park flanking the main roadway, across from the primary recreation center, comprising approximately 3.5 acres of landscaped open space and picnic areas, with pedestrian paths connecting to the community's network of multi-modal and nature trails; this linear park will provide a central greenway linking the open space areas and ponds designed to flank the roadway, and all of the active and passive recreation amenities throughout the Project.
e. A passive park comprising approximately 11 acres incorporating the Live Oak hammock at the main project entry, consisting of spacious landscaped open space areas and pedestrian paths connecting to the network of multi-modal and nature trails throughout the community.
f. At least three (3) other natural preservation/park areas of approximately 1.8, 4.0, and 9.6 acres respectively, directly accessible from the linear park/greenway along the Project's main roadway, offering passive recreation and pedestrian paths connected to the community-wide network of trails; the 1.8 and 9.6 acre parks will be integrated with the two (2) neighborhood recreation areas, the larger one being situated around a unique geological feature within an existing Live Oak hammock.
g. For the southwestern-most part of the Project where natural determinants could limit the opportunities and cost feasibility of residential development, a 9- or 18-hole executive golf course may be created as a significant open space/recreation amenity. The course would utilize from at least thirty (30) acres to a maximum of eighty (80) acres, designed to incorporate the visual quality and natural habitats of the site into a creative and attractive amenity, with the objective of attaining Audubon certification.
h. Nature trails providing passive recreation and nature/wildlife viewing opportunities for extensive preserve and wetland areas within the development; it is intended (to the extent agency permitting will allow) that these trails will include elevated boardwalks that will allow limited pedestrian access into some of the otherwise inaccessible wetland areas of the property.

[twoplanekid]

Wildwood may become larger than Ocala if they can keep extending their city limits. As a golf cart tunnel under the Florida turnpike might be difficult and as I am pilot, I would enjoy using flying carts to travel between the two areas. :024:

[dbussone]

Wildwood may become larger than Ocala if they can keep extending their city limits. As a golf cart tunnel under the Florida turnpike might be difficult and as I am pilot, I would enjoy using flying carts to travel between the two areas. :024:

If you do that you might as well consider a service that also jumps between the squares. I'm guessing people would be willing to pay 2-3 bucks a ride for your air taxi service

[Walter123]

Wildwood may become larger than Ocala if they can keep extending their city limits. As a golf cart tunnel under the Florida turnpike might be difficult and as I am pilot, I would enjoy using flying carts to travel between the two areas. :024:

Gonna be hard to keep that baby airborne at 20mph!:plane::gc:

[twoplanekid]

Gonna be hard to keep that baby airborne at 20mph!:plane::gc:

Thinking about something like this quadcopter cart going less than 20 on the ground and then much, much faster in the air.

[graciegirl]

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/7464/2342/1600/trebuchet.jpg

[Walter123]

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/7464/2342/1600/trebuchet.jpg

LOL....The ultimate people mover.....Good one GG.

[village dreamer]

how about fed ex people drone service , pick you up drop you off, village to village.

[twoplanekid]

I am now glade someone thought to exclude tour busses from picking up people in the Villages proper as the Villagers of Fenney and other Villages further out unfortunately will need car parking spaces in the older Villages until other transportation ideas come to fruition.:024:

[graciegirl]

I am now glade someone thought to exclude tour busses from picking up people in the Villages proper as the Villagers of Fenney and other Villages further out unfortunately will need car parking spaces in the older Villages until other transportation ideas come to fruition.:024:



Stonecrest so needs an activist.

[RickeyD]

Do not rule out the future land aquisitions between the new location and the existing Villages southern most location.



Build out? We don need no stinkin' buildout!!!!!



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[HoosierPa]

Good news for those of us who want to get Brownwood Commercial Space finally filled up. Also, us Southern Villagers need more Commercial Businesses on 44. Mostly everything is up North on 441 (and 466) and this would be much more convenient for us living near Brownwood. As far as Amenities...I am sure they will have their own Pools and Rec. Center so that should be a non issue. If they have their own Exec. Golf Course(s) that should not be an issue either. They will add to the load on the Championship Courses but since I don't play those, not sure if that will be a problem or not. As far as all the other negative comments, there was nothing mentioned that was of concern to me at all.
We have lived in a lot of different areas and I have never seen such a successful Developer anywhere else. They should be given a lot of credit. They are the reason we are bound for The Villages. :wave:

[kansasr]

http://i.qkme.me/3pzjwa.jpg

It would be a little over 20 miles from the new development to the furthers point in Orange Blossom....

[CWGUY]

It would be a little over 20 miles from the new development to the furthers point in Orange Blossom....

:confused: Mulberry Grove Rec. is even further. What would that be north to south?

[villagerjack]

The land owners. You need to research the facts as they are, rather than just throwing out a guess.
BTW are you a seasonal resident

Bogie, this is not a guess. I have been through it and that is why I bought in The Villages, by far the fairest around when it comes to Seasonal Residents. When the residents got control in Sun City HH it all changed for us. Tennis and Pickle Ball clubs dominated play. Open times were changed according to the weather with favoritism to Club members. Club tournaments were held and non club members were not allowed access to courts for days at a time. This was all done with the permission of the Boards of Directors who were lobbied by the permanent residents. It got so bad we moved. We were there seven years and had lots of friends but the restricted access to activities were so overwhelming we decided to leave.


Human nature being the way it is, it could also happen here regardless of the government structure.

[Shimpy]

I'm sure it will be a success as everything TV does...I don't think though that those wanting the real villages experience of 3 town squares and golf cart access to everything will appeal to them. It wouldn't to me. If I would have to drive my car almost everywhere I might as well live in Ocala.

[Wavy Chips]

The new village might be sharing amenities with Coleman - it looks like it's just a short cart ride away. :22yikes:

[patfla06]

I cannot imagine living that far south.

[graciegirl]

I cannot imagine living that far south.



It sounds like they may have new and innovative ideas there that people here have wanted and the physical place may be quite beautiful. I am sure that the people who live there will be just as convinced as all of us that they have the very best village. There won't be much golf cart traffic. And probably new looks to the homes. We will see. We will see.

[twoplanekid]

It sounds like they may have new and innovative ideas there that people here have wanted and the physical place may be quite beautiful. I am sure that the people who live there will be just as convinced as all of us that they have the very best village. There won't be much golf cart traffic. And probably new looks to the homes. We will see. We will see.

Yes , it may look similar to Stonecrest except that they will have access to all of TVs amenities. :duck:

[TVMayor]

The first phase, scheduled to be completed by 2024, will include 160 multi-family units and another 80 multi-family units would be added by 2029.

I hope I live to see it.

[Barefoot]

Stonecrest so needs an activist.
:ho:

[RickeyD]

Kinda like Alaska and Hawaii. Same but not the same.

[Jimmydoodlebug]

Take the words "build out" from your vocabulary.

:a20:

[graciegirl]

Kinda like Alaska and Hawaii. Same but not the same.





Yeah. Kinda like that.;)

[skip0358]

Management is handled by the CDDs and the county. Each CDD does have elected officials. Over time, the Developers representation goes to zero but initially he has a say. There is a regular lecture, typically given by John Rohan, that explains how the amenities/infrastructure is managed.

I'm aware of that. That's now when and IF the Family said we've had enough is what I and a few others were referring To. The FAMILY has done a great job.

[graciegirl]

I'm aware of that. That's now when and IF the Family said we've had enough is what I and a few others were referring To. The FAMILY has done a great job.



What he said.


I can't think of any post I have ever disagreed with this guy.

[twoplanekid]

Kinda like Alaska and Hawaii. Same but not the same.

Who voted to let Fenney in? Same but not the same! We will see. We will see and not wishing failure on anyone. Hope for the best as it's out of our control.

[JourneyOfLife]

This news on top of the existing planned new homes in TV debunks the old sales ploy; Hurry, Hurry... buy a home before they are all gone!!!

[graciegirl]

Who voted to let Fenney in? Same but not the same! We will see. We will see and not wishing failure on anyone. Hope for the best as it's out of our control.



This is a CDD. We don't run this place.(At this time) (THANK GOODNESS) There are very few CDD's in Florida. There are thousands of places that people can run if they want to run them. I don't know WHY this place is so successful but maybe because people who know how to run places are running this place.


Keep an open mind and think about it. Wonder why people choose to move here? AND if not happy with CDD form of government can easily sell, make money on their home and find something else.

[tuccillo]

It is my understanding that the CDDs are state regulated. In addition, as homes are sold within the CDD, the Developer's initial representation goes to zero, and that has happened in many of the CDDs (not mine yet). I believe all is well in those CDDs. I am not sure there is anything to worry about as the CDDs' charter is pretty clear and they have a fiduciary responsibility. If the fear is that the CDD management will turn into the political free-for-all of some HOAs, I just can't see that happening. Sure, there has been some controversy such as MMP striping but that is relatively minor.

I'm aware of that. That's now when and IF the Family said we've had enough is what I and a few others were referring To. The FAMILY has done a great job.

[tuccillo]

We don't get to vote on the formation of new CDDs. The formation of a new CDD requires government approval. If you haven't had a chance to attend the CDD Orientation I would really encourage you to do so - I found it excellent.

Who voted to let Fenney in? Same but not the same! We will see. We will see and not wishing failure on anyone. Hope for the best as it's out of our control.

[tuccillo]

I believe there are actually a couple of hundred CDDs in Florida. Whether that is a lot or not depends on your perspective ;-)

This is a CDD. We don't run this place.(At this time) (THANK GOODNESS) There are very few CDD's in Florida. There are thousands of places that people can run if they want to run them. I don't know WHY this place is so successful but maybe because people who know how to run places are running this place.


Keep an open mind and think about it. Wonder why people choose to move here? AND if not happy with CDD form of government can easily sell, make money on their home and find something else.

[circletrack]

From what I understand, this will essentially be a self-contained development with its own shopping, golf and rec centers. Obviously no town square, but this could be appealing to folks that want a Villages quality experience, but without all the hustle and bustle of the main development.

[sunglow]

It really bothers me that they used that ploy to perspective buyers. I know the salespeople were kept in the dark as well. It seems very unethical to me on the part of the developer.

[DeanFL]

You may take this with a grain of salt. But I heard from a very good source - the guy is on the Seniors Against Crime group in TV (I think that's the name). He was informed that TV has gained approval for install of up to 7 golf cart tunnels under Rt 44. But initially would only build 3.

Sounds plausible for many reasons noted in previous threads re Buildout (non).

[outlaw]

It really bothers me that they used that ploy to perspective buyers. I know the salespeople were kept in the dark as well. It seems very unethical to me on the part of the developer.

Which unethical ploy are you talking about?

[rustyp]

There are over 600 CDD's in Florida. One easy test to know if a CDD has transitioned from Developer to residents is the voting criteria. If you are allowed to vote but you are not a Florida resident your CDD has not totally transitioned away from the developer. If your CDD only allows a legal Florida resident to vote (not just a landowner) that CDD has transitioned.

[Challenger]

It really bothers me that they used that ploy to perspective buyers. I know the salespeople were kept in the dark as well. It seems very unethical to me on the part of the developer.

"Caveat Emptor"

[twoplanekid]

We don't get to vote on the formation of new CDDs. The formation of a new CDD requires government approval. If you haven't had a chance to attend the CDD Orientation I would really encourage you to do so - I found it excellent.

I was referring to including Fenney in the use of TV (our) amenities. I understand CDDs but not the web of agreements between CDDs. To form a district government among neighboring CDDs is understandable.

[graciegirl]

There are over 600 CDD's in Florida. One easy test to know if a CDD has transitioned from Developer to residents is the voting criteria. If you are allowed to vote but you are not a Florida resident your CDD has not totally transitioned away from the developer. If your CDD only allows a legal Florida resident to vote (not just a landowner) that CDD has transitioned.



You are right.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Development_District

[tuccillo]

The 14 CDDs share some common management infrastructure. The orientation meeting is a good place to get definitive answers to your questions.

I was referring to including Fenney in the use of TV (our) amenities. I understand CDDs but not the web of agreements between CDDs. To form a district government among neighboring CDDs is understandable.

[oot]

As the developer has kept this under the covers until now, I am sure they have many other plans which are in the works as well. They envisioned this wonderful community when it was just a small modular home park.

I am sure the people who bought back then never thought they would ever see homes being built as far south as they are now. Never would have saw 3 town squares, all those golf courses, and over 100,000 people. But the developer had that vision, and now we have this fantastic place to live. We are blessed to be able to live in such a great place with everything we could ever want (OK...maybe not the beach front...but it is only a quick drive to St. Pete Beach).

I am sure that vision will continue, long after we are all gone....

[N44125]

I noticed in the other newspaper that they only talked about multi-family dwellings as far as homes. Condo? Dublex? Townhouse? Anyone have any insight?

[rustyp]

This is a CDD. We don't run this place.(At this time) (THANK GOODNESS) There are very few CDD's in Florida. There are thousands of places that people can run if they want to run them. I don't know WHY this place is so successful but maybe because people who know how to run places are running this place.


Keep an open mind and think about it. Wonder why people choose to move here? AND if not happy with CDD form of government can easily sell, make money on their home and find something else.

Actually districts 1-8 have transitioned to resident control. District 8 was last in 2012. District 9 will be in calendar year 2016.

[Bonny]

This land is all going to be developed one way or another.
I for one am so thankful that the "Family" is developing these areas. They know what they are doing and it's all quality. Better than getting a developer who doesn't care.
The Villages owns a lot of property and I doubt those of us here will ever see a build out.
As far as the "Family" being unethical or lying or whatever in not telling us about these plans, they are under no obligation to tell us anything.
It's their property, their money and are definitely free to do what they choose to do, which, of course, is developing property.
We've been here 16 years and I have loved watching the Villages grow. It gets better & better and we love it here. :)

[dewilson58]

This land is all going to be developed one way or another.
I for one am so thankful that the "Family" is developing these areas. They know what they are doing and it's all quality. Better than getting a developer who doesn't care.
The Villages owns a lot of property and I doubt those of us here will ever see a build out.
As far as the "Family" being unethical or lying or whatever in not telling us about these plans, they are under no obligation to tell us anything.
It's their property, their money and are definitely free to do what they choose to do, which, of course, is developing property.
We've been here 16 years and I have loved watching the Villages grow. It gets better & better and we love it here. :)

I agree.

And "you" don't share plans ahead of time, unless if "you" don't care about the price increases as a result.

[photo1902]

I agree.

And "you" don't share plans ahead of time, unless if "you" don't care about the price increases as a result.

Exactly (similar to what Walt Disney did years ago).

[Barefoot]

Who voted to let Fenney in?
Really? Now The Family needs approval from residents to create a new Village?. :ohdear:

As the developer has kept this under the covers until now, I am sure they have many other plans which are in the works as well. They envisioned this wonderful community when it was just a small modular home park.
I am sure the people who bought back then never thought they would ever see homes being built as far south as they are now. Never would have saw 3 town squares, all those golf courses, and over 100,000 people. But the developer had that vision, and now we have this fantastic place to live. We are blessed to be able to live in such a great place with everything we could ever want. I am sure that vision will continue, long after we are all gone.... :agree:

[sunglow]

Lying and saying that they were not going to be building any more homes after Pine Ridge and Osceola Hills.

[RickeyD]

Lying and saying that they were not going to be building any more homes after Pine Ridge and Osceola Hills.



Well, the Pine Hills house's were supposed to start at 500K, that didn't happen either.

[photo1902]

Lying and saying that they were not going to be building any more homes after Pine Ridge and Osceola Hills.

Our first Village sales person (I won't call them realtors, because they are not) told us nothing else will be built beyond the area in which we bought a lot (Sassafras Court). Low and behold, our plans to move were put on hold due to elderly parent care. I had a feeling then that the build out was a myth. Unless you had something in writing, I wouldn't put a lot of stock in what your sales agent told you regarding the final plans.

[twoplanekid]

Really? Now The Family needs approval from residents to create a new Village?. :ohdear:

:agree:

Not the question I was asking. What is the process to include this new CDD into the other Village CDDs? Do the established CDD districts vote on letting this new CDD become a part of the District government? Becoming part of the Villages District government then automatically lets the home owners of that new CDD use all of the Village amenities. That is my question? :confused:

[photo1902]

Not the question I was asking. What is the process to include this new CDD into the other Village CDDs? Do the established CDD districts vote on letting this new CDD become a part of the District government? Becoming part of the Villages District government then automatically lets the home owners of that new CDD use all of the Village amenities. That is my question? :confused:

Twoplanekid, I don't pretend to know the intricacies of the CDD's. But it seems to me that the "new" Village off of 468 would have the same access my wife and I do when we bought in Lake Deaton.

[Barefoot]

Lying and saying that they were not going to be building any more homes after Pine Ridge and Osceola Hills.
I don't think the sales people are lying. Perhaps uninformed is a better word.
The agents really shouldn't be offering opinions on the topic of build-out.
For obvious reasons, The Family doesn't publish development plans in advance.

[graciegirl]

Not the question I was asking. What is the process to include this new CDD into the other Village CDDs? Do the established CDD districts vote on letting this new CDD become a part of the District government? Becoming part of the Villages District government then automatically lets the home owners of that new CDD use all of the Village amenities. That is my question? :confused:



No. NO. No they don't. After several years living here and seeing how things work, how problems are solved, fences are fixed, things are painted, bushes are trimmed, trash is removed, the confidence in the family and their decisions steadily grows. I am a huge fan of Capitalism when it works the way The Villages does.

[tuccillo]

If you really want to know, today, call a member of the Board of Supervisors for your CDD. If I had to guess on the exact mechanics, I would say that the CDD application stated that the new CDD is tied together with the other CDDs in terms of sharing amenities and management resources. The CDD application is made by the Developer. CDDs are limitied in terms of maximum size, which is why you see multiple CDDs. There is an administrator over all 14 of the CDDs that make up The Villages - her name is Janet Tutt.

Not the question I was asking. What is the process to include this new CDD into the other Village CDDs? Do the established CDD districts vote on letting this new CDD become a part of the District government? Becoming part of the Villages District government then automatically lets the home owners of that new CDD use all of the Village amenities. That is my question? :confused:

[Mikeod]

IIRC, overall control of TV resides with the central districts, VCCDD and LSCDD. The residential CDDs have some control over their specific district, but it is not absolute. Regarding the amenities, the central districts have control/ownership as well, although they have created the AAC which controls the funds from the settlement of the lawsuit and works with the central district to develop, repair and maintain amenities within CDDs 1-4. That is why a residential CDD has no power to restrict amenities within its boundaries to residents of that CDD.

The overall control by the central districts was a major point with the IRS regarding the use of tax-free bonds. Since only landowners can vote within the CDD, and since the developer was the only landowner in the central districts, the IRS claimed there was no path for residents to get control.

It is true that after a certain percentage of homes are sold within a residential CDD, the residents can elect one of their own to the board of that CDD. But residents will never be able to vote for the board of the central CDDs unless the developer chooses to sell the properties therein.

[Bogie Shooter]

Lying and saying that they were not going to be building any more homes after Pine Ridge and Osceola Hills.

Where was this said?

[Bogie Shooter]

Not the question I was asking. What is the process to include this new CDD into the other Village CDDs? Do the established CDD districts vote on letting this new CDD become a part of the District government? Becoming part of the Villages District government then automatically lets the home owners of that new CDD use all of the Village amenities. That is my question? :confused:

If you really want to know, today, call a member of the Board of Supervisors for your CDD. If I had to guess on the exact mechanics, I would say that the CDD application stated that the new CDD is tied together with the other CDDs in terms of sharing amenities and management resources. The CDD application is made by the Developer. CDDs are limitied in terms of maximum size, which is why you see multiple CDDs. There is an administrator over all 14 of the CDDs that make up The Villages - her name is Janet Tutt.

tuccillo has give you some good advice. Do you really think anyone on here has an answer to your theoretical question/theoretical ?

[tomwed]

I see a tunnel coming under 44.Is this called "Tunnel Vision?"

[tomwed]

Well, the Pine Hills house's were supposed to start at 500K, that didn't happen either.That's what I was told. I have always thought, location, location, location. I bought a short walk away from Brownwood. The location rule does not seem to work here. Would you agree?

[dotti105]

I don't think the Village of Fenny is going to impact us much at all. It is just under 5 miles south of Hwy 44. That is quite a hike. I see this Village as being very similar to StoneCrest or Top of The World. It will be developed with the expertise shown in the other villages north of Hwy 44. But I don't think those residents will want to drive 5 miles to go to a rec center, pool or Executive Golf Course. They will be more of a self contained planned community.

The reciprocal use of amenities sounds like it could be a problem. But in reality, if you really give it some thought, people who want the "Full Villages Experience" will not want to buy in a small Village 5 miles away.

Instead they will buy in The Villages north of Hwy 44 so that they can get from point A to point B by golf cart. The people who buy there will be people who want a smaller development like StoneCrest. I don't see how this will affect us in any significant way. Especially since the first homes won't be available for sale for years and years.

It is like comparing Apples and Oranges.

The sales people have not lied to anyone when telling them that Pine Ridge and Osceola Hills are the final phase. They WERE the final phase, until today (past tense). The Sales staff do not know of these decisions until it is released to the public. The Villages has grown step by step over time. At one time Lake Sumter was THE final phase. But The Villages has been expanded over time, with the growth controlled and well planned. The MultiModal paths south of 466 are an improvement over the ones north of 466. As they have had feedback and watched the results of their development, they have made the changes and improvements we all enjoy and benefit from.

Those who worry about this small development which won't exit for another 8-10 yrs, go ahead and move. But seriously, can you find a better place to live, with the beauty and amenities we have here? The sky is not falling. We all will only benefit from the commercial development that will come to the south end of The Villages.

It is interesting and exciting, but is really won't impact those of us north of 44 much at all.

[Walter123]

I don't think the Village of Fenny is going to impact us much at all. It is just under 5 miles south of Hwy 44. That is quite a hike. I see this Village as being very similar to StoneCrest or Top of The World. It will be developed with the expertise shown in the other villages north of Hwy 44. But I don't think those residents will want to drive 5 miles to go to a rec center, pool or Executive Golf Course. They will be more of a self contained planned community.

The reciprocal use of amenities sounds like it could be a problem. But in reality, if you really give it some thought, people who want the "Full Villages Experience" will not want to buy in a small Village 5 miles away.

Instead they will buy in The Villages north of Hwy 44 so that they can get from point A to point B by golf cart. The people who buy there will be people who want a smaller development like StoneCrest. I don't see how this will affect us in any significant way. Especially since the first homes won't be available for sale for years and years.

It is like comparing Apples and Oranges.

The sales people have not lied to anyone when telling them that Pine Ridge and Osceola Hills are the final phase. They WERE the final phase, until today (past tense). The Sales staff do not know of these decisions until it is released to the public. The Villages has grown step by step over time. At one time Lake Sumter was THE final phase. But The Villages has been expanded over time, with the growth controlled and well planned. The MultiModal paths south of 466 are an improvement over the ones north of 466. As they have had feedback and watched the results of their development, they have made the changes and improvements we all enjoy and benefit from.

Those who worry about this small development which won't exit for another 8-10 yrs, go ahead and move. But seriously, can you find a better place to live, with the beauty and amenities we have here? The sky is not falling. We all will only benefit from the commercial development that will come to the south end of The Villages.

It is interesting and exciting, but is really won't impact those of us north of 44 much at all.

:BigApplause: We don't like going anywhere anymore that we need the car. A golf cart is a major part of the Village experience. The saying is If you build it, they will come.......They just won't come here.....after the newness wears off.

[RickeyD]

That's what I was told. I have always thought, location, location, location. I bought a short walk away from Brownwood. The location rule does not seem to work here. Would you agree?



I do think location works here, not insomuch as proximity to any particular amenity, but to privacy. Privacy brings a very large premium here, more I think then any place I have ever lived.

[asianthree]

Question, how often do you use your car to drive out of the bubble? This development would be a drive for either party. I can see them coming up to use golf and resturants, but for us to drive down to use the new facilities would be minimal. Unless there is an unbelievable golf course that you just have to play. Like the new family section, it's a hike, not golf cart usable. We might go out of the bubble once a month or so.

[mulligan]

The way I read the article yesterday, they may or may not build more golf courses. Assuming they don't, that would be a potential 6,000 more people using the existing courses. If they don't include golf in the new development, it will be as much fun to get a t-time in July as it is in February. Maybe it's time for some organized push-back from inside ????

[billethkid]

The way I read the article yesterday, they may or may not build more golf courses. Assuming they don't, that would be a potential 6,000 more people using the existing courses. If they don't include golf in the new development, it will be as much fun to get a t-time in July as it is in February. Maybe it's time for some organized push-back from inside ????

If they don't put in the golf courses and rec centers then it will not be of TV model will it?

I think being remote those will be very important amenities that will, like all other new villages, be put in first.

No matter how it comes to pass it will have no more or less impact than any of the non villages neighborhoods around us.

And I personally think if the new location is going to have TV flag or water tower over it, it will be in the same model we all enjoy and have come to expect from the developer.

[outlaw]

I don't think the Village of Fenny is going to impact us much at all. It is just under 5 miles south of Hwy 44. That is quite a hike. I see this Village as being very similar to StoneCrest or Top of The World. It will be developed with the expertise shown in the other villages north of Hwy 44. But I don't think those residents will want to drive 5 miles to go to a rec center, pool or Executive Golf Course. They will be more of a self contained planned community.

The reciprocal use of amenities sounds like it could be a problem. But in reality, if you really give it some thought, people who want the "Full Villages Experience" will not want to buy in a small Village 5 miles away.

Instead they will buy in The Villages north of Hwy 44 so that they can get from point A to point B by golf cart. The people who buy there will be people who want a smaller development like StoneCrest. I don't see how this will affect us in any significant way. Especially since the first homes won't be available for sale for years and years.

It is like comparing Apples and Oranges.

The sales people have not lied to anyone when telling them that Pine Ridge and Osceola Hills are the final phase. They WERE the final phase, until today (past tense). The Sales staff do not know of these decisions until it is released to the public. The Villages has grown step by step over time. At one time Lake Sumter was THE final phase. But The Villages has been expanded over time, with the growth controlled and well planned. The MultiModal paths south of 466 are an improvement over the ones north of 466. As they have had feedback and watched the results of their development, they have made the changes and improvements we all enjoy and benefit from.

Those who worry about this small development which won't exit for another 8-10 yrs, go ahead and move. But seriously, can you find a better place to live, with the beauty and amenities we have here? The sky is not falling. We all will only benefit from the commercial development that will come to the south end of The Villages.

It is interesting and exciting, but is really won't impact those of us north of 44 much at all.

WOW! I guess you thought OJ was innocent, too? Do you really think the developer's sales staff isn't trained on what they are to say regarding build out? Do you think this new development project just happened in the last few months? This has probably been known, at least by the inner circle including the head of sales, for years. I'm not saying this new development is bad. It can even be said that it is great. But, come on. How can you state that the developer was planning to stop after Sumter Landing? What happened to this great vision that the Morse family has? That kinda falls apart if they don't know what's coming a couple of years out, don't you think?

[buzzy]

The way I read the article yesterday, they may or may not build more golf courses. Assuming they don't, that would be a potential 6,000 more people using the existing courses. If they don't include golf in the new development, it will be as much fun to get a t-time in July as it is in February. Maybe it's time for some organized push-back from inside ????

They would have to drive up, and rent a cart from a country club. I don't think that will be very common.

[graciegirl]

WOW! I guess you thought OJ was innocent, too? Do you really think the developer's sales staff isn't trained on what they are to say regarding build out? Do you think this new development project just happened in the last few months? This has probably been known, at least by the inner circle including the head of sales, for years. I'm not saying this new development is bad. It can even be said that it is great. But, come on. How can you state that the developer was planning to stop after Sumter Landing? What happened to this great vision that the Morse family has? That kinda falls apart if they don't know what's coming a couple of years out, don't you think?



Our villages rep, Jim McLaughlin, who sold us two new homes and showed us used homes too when we were looking for the second one. Jim and Patti who we now consider friends and who have bought and moved into five new homes here themselves. Jim McLaughlin told us, looking us straight in the eye that the sales people have no knowledge of anything new that is happening until they are told AT THE SAME TIME that it becomes common knowledge to the population in general.


Someone said that telling people what you plan to do, especially expanding in real estate makes prices go up.


The Morses do things close to their vest and that is just good business.


And Dotti? I loved your post. Very well said. My thoughts exactly.


If you are lucky enough to live in The Villages, you are lucky enough.


No I don't work for the developers and never met them.

[asianthree]

The reps know at their sales meeting, and our rep let us no that there were more PVs to be built. She than said time to sell. As things develop they are told, but not months in advance. Then they share to clients. As land is purchased then things move forward and until that deed is done it's all speculation. At many points I think the villages said that it was the final buildout of each village I don't think there's ever been a blanket statement saying TV is built out

[Bogie Shooter]

The way I read the article yesterday, they may or may not build more golf courses. Assuming they don't, that would be a potential 6,000 more people using the existing courses. If they don't include golf in the new development, it will be as much fun to get a t-time in July as it is in February. Maybe it's time for some organized push-back from inside ????

Wait..........how many of the 6000(?) will actually get in their car and drive to a golf course? I doubt not that many.
BTW what would be the basis of a "push-back"?
I play golf twice a week and have been bumped three times in the past 5 years.

[RickeyD]

Villages lite ?

[Cisco Kid]

Tomorrows heading in "the paper"
And you all will have a good laugh.
:loco::loco:

[twoplanekid]

What was on The Villages web site in July 2015 -> The Villages - Florida's Friendliest Retirement Hometown - New Home Sales, Home Resales, Build Your Dream Home, Brownwood Paddock Square (http://web.archive.org/web/20150709080426/http://www.thevillages.com/)

Things do change and I like changes!

[dewilson58]

Our villages rep, Jim McLaughlin, who sold us two new homes and showed us used homes too when we were looking for the second one. Jim and Patti who we now consider friends and who have bought and moved into five new homes here themselves. Jim McLaughlin told us, looking us straight in the eye that the sales people have no knowledge of anything new that is happening until they are told AT THE SAME TIME that it becomes common knowledge to the population in general.


Someone said that telling people what you plan to do, especially expanding in real estate makes prices go up.


The Morses do things close to their vest and that is just good business.


And Dotti? I loved your post. Very well said. My thoughts exactly.


If you are lucky enough to live in The Villages, you are lucky enough.


No I don't work for the developers and never met them.


I agree. I've worked with the same sales rep for over 18 years. He told me the same. He is a friend...............any one who sticks with me for 18 year must be family or a friend.

"No I don't work for the developers and never met them." I do know the developers, they are my friends, I've tried to get them to adopt me, etc. :22yikes:

[RickeyD]

What was on The Villages web site in July 2015 -> The Villages - Florida's Friendliest Retirement Hometown - New Home Sales, Home Resales, Build Your Dream Home, Brownwood Paddock Square (http://web.archive.org/web/20150709080426/http://www.thevillages.com/)

Things do change and I like changes!



So it's official. Can't blame the sales reps for lying !

[GaryW]

Our villages rep, Jim McLaughlin, who sold us two new homes and showed us used homes too when we were looking for the second one. Jim and Patti who we now consider friends and who have bought and moved into five new homes here themselves. Jim McLaughlin told us, looking us straight in the eye that the sales people have no knowledge of anything new that is happening until they are told AT THE SAME TIME that it becomes common knowledge to the population in general.


Someone said that telling people what you plan to do, especially expanding in real estate makes prices go up.


The Morses do things close to their vest and that is just good business.


And Dotti? I loved your post. Very well said. My thoughts exactly.


If you are lucky enough to live in The Villages, you are lucky enough.


No I don't work for the developers and never met them.


RIGHT ON POINT AS ALWAYS!! :BigApplause::spoken::bigbow:

[CFrance]

What was on The Villages web site in July 2015 -> The Villages - Florida's Friendliest Retirement Hometown - New Home Sales, Home Resales, Build Your Dream Home, Brownwood Paddock Square (http://web.archive.org/web/20150709080426/http://www.thevillages.com/)

Things do change and I like changes!
I don't read that as a total TV final phase. I read that as a Pine Ridge final phase.

[Indy-Guy]

Last May Wildwood Springs was described in the post below on #17. So this is not at all a surprise to me as I remember the post from last May. The poster pretty much nailed what many are now are amazed at.

Talk of The Villages hits another home run 10 months before it is announced. Villages Kahuna is usually right on.


https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/villages-final-phase-154430/index2.html?highlight=wildwood+springs

[JP]

Well, technically, the new neighborhood is not going to be "in" or connected to The Villages but part of it since it will be CDD 12

[villagetinker]

Here is my take on this situation:
1. The squares, businesses, restaurants, etc., are all public facilities, and anyone can go to these.
2. The rec centers, pools, golf courses, etc., are private for village use only, and require the ID card.

There may be an impact on the public facilities, as these are accessible by car to anyone.
The impact to the golf courses, IMHO, may be much less, as anyone from Fenney, would need to WALK THE COURSE, or figure out a way to rent a GC, which would make the round of golf very expensive.
Since local pools and a rec center are supposed to be provided in Fenney, I do not see a lot of people getting in the car to drive 5 miles (minimum) to get to another pool or rec center.

The lack of a contiguous golf cart path between the Fenney location and the main villages will IMHO be a major impediment to the cross use of facilities. While I am sure the sales agents will stress the villagers ID advantages, I do not see this being a practical advantage.

[photo1902]

I don't read that as a total TV final phase. I read that as a Pine Ridge final phase.

Hard to read that as anything but, the Final Phase.

"Our Final Phase of New Homes in The Villages"

[RickeyD]

Here is my take on this situation:
1. The squares, businesses, restaurants, etc., are all public facilities, and anyone can go to these.
2. The rec centers, pools, golf courses, etc., are private for village use only, and require the ID card.

There may be an impact on the public facilities, as these are accessible by car to anyone.
The impact to the golf courses, IMHO, may be much less, as anyone from Fenney, would need to WALK THE COURSE, or figure out a way to rent a GC, which would make the round of golf very expensive.
Since local pools and a rec center are supposed to be provided in Fenney, I do not see a lot of people getting in the car to drive 5 miles (minimum) to get to another pool or rec center.

The lack of a contiguous golf cart path between the Fenney location and the main villages will IMHO be a major impediment to the cross use of facilities. While I am sure the sales agents will stress the villagers ID advantages, I do not see this being a practical advantage.



I would think marketing would price point the new houses in Fenney somewhere between Stonecrest & The mother land to compensate new buyers for the lack of convenience of amenities.

[Cisco Kid]

Hard to read that as anything but, the Final Phase.

"Our Final Phase of New Homes in The Villages"

But they are building OUT side of The Villages. :loco:

[champion6]

Correcting some assumptions, doubts and misinformation that have recently been posted in this thread. It always amazes me how short our memories are.

Attached is a scan of the March 28, 2016 Daily Sun article.

It states:

... site work could start within the next couple of months
(Amenities) include two 9-hole executive golf courses, a chip-and-putt area, recreation centers, courts, an outdoor fitness trail, a bike/walking nature corridor, a dog park and both active and passive green space.
New homes are expected to be available beginning in the first quarter of 2017.


Also, as I posted earlier, the ordinance passed by the Wildwood City Commission shows that the development will include a "primary recreation center, two neighborhood recreation centers, various trails, MMPs, and parks, 9 or 18 holes of golf."

[tomwed]

They may include a couple golf courses and a rec center or two in Fenney, but more Fenny residents will be coming to the existing contiguous villages for activities than the reverse. They will not be widening Morse Blvd. or Buena Vista, for increased traffic, nor adding extra gates where lines already sometimes exist.

Perhaps most importantly it confirms how much many home buyers were lied to when told that "this is the final village", and that the developer has now eliminated the need for additional villages to even be contiguous to "The Villages". They are opening the floodgates and now there is no limit is sight. If they can toss in thousands of new houses from 4 miles outside "The Villages", I see nothing preventing them from doing the same 10 miles away, or 30 miles away, etc. In effect, they are selling perpetual yearly passes to this adult Disneyworld to anyone they wish to, thus revealing the lie of having been told the amenities are only available to residents of "The Villages". Yes, they neglected to add that the definition of "The Villages" will always be open to change by the developer.
I will be glad to be shown otherwise, but at this point I see no impediment to the developer taking over other developments in which houses already exist, and bringing them "into the fold". Sure, they will make more money building houses, but if demand for that declines, will they really refuse to open another money tap just because it is less profitable?

Correcting some assumptions, doubts and misinformation that have recently been posted in this thread. It always amazes me how short our memories are.

Attached is a scan of the March 28, 2016 Daily Sun article.

It states:

... site work could start within the next couple of months
(Amenities) include two 9-hole executive golf courses, a chip-and-putt area, recreation centers, courts, an outdoor fitness trail, a bike/walking nature corridor, a dog park and both active and passive green space.
New homes are expected to be available beginning in the first quarter of 2017.


Also, as I posted earlier, the ordinance passed by the Wildwood City Commission shows that the development will include a "primary recreation center, two neighborhood recreation centers, various trails, MMPs, and parks, 9 or 18 holes of golf."
thank-you

[tomwed]

Has anyone seen the property? Is it farmland or land to be scalped? Or is it like Sweet Gum golf course? Lot's of old trees and water?

[villagetinker]

You can see it on Google maps, looks like mostly open space with very few houses.

Here is a link:

https://www.google.com/maps/@28.7931653,-82.0395001,2892m/data=!3m1!1e3

If this works, the area will be in rthe center of the screen.

[dotti105]

WOW! I guess you thought OJ was innocent, too? Do you really think the developer's sales staff isn't trained on what they are to say regarding build out? Do you think this new development project just happened in the last few months? This has probably been known, at least by the inner circle including the head of sales, for years. I'm not saying this new development is bad. It can even be said that it is great. But, come on. How can you state that the developer was planning to stop after Sumter Landing? What happened to this great vision that the Morse family has? That kinda falls apart if they don't know what's coming a couple of years out, don't you think?

Do you think that when Orange Blossom was built, way back in the beginning that there was a vision that included Spanish Springs, Lake Sumter Landing, Brownwood, over 30 Executive courses and a dozen Championship courses?

Of course not!

This community evolved from a few mobile homes built around a 9 hole executive course. As they gained property and chose to expand they went to the drawing board and chose to build 1 village at a time, offer a multitude of amenities and bring in the best and brightest from Disney to develop the first town square.

They have created a top class community here, step by step. Brush up on the history of The Villages. You will see that what you are saying is not correct.

They have several hundred sales agents. That is why they keep major information under wraps until it is released to the public. The head of Sales is Jennifer Parr, Gary Morse's daughter. The head of Development is his son. So yes, I am sure that they discuss plans with a select group of advisors. But the sales agents are told in a large group meeting just as the news it released to the public.

And no, I think OJ is guilty..... Not sure where that fits in to this discussion about The Villages Development Company building a isolated community 5 miles down the road.

Is there a possibility that they will build more in the future? Heck yes! They have a winning formula and ready buyers. There are no other Active Senior Communites that offer what we have. We all know that. Selling between 200-300 new homes a month is proof of that.

[Schaumburger]

Correcting some assumptions, doubts and misinformation that have recently been posted in this thread. It always amazes me how short our memories are.

Attached is a scan of the March 28, 2016 Daily Sun article.

It states:

... site work could start within the next couple of months
(Amenities) include two 9-hole executive golf courses, a chip-and-putt area, recreation centers, courts, an outdoor fitness trail, a bike/walking nature corridor, a dog park and both active and passive green space.
New homes are expected to be available beginning in the first quarter of 2017.


Also, as I posted earlier, the ordinance passed by the Wildwood City Commission shows that the development will include a "primary recreation center, two neighborhood recreation centers, various trails, MMPs, and parks, 9 or 18 holes of golf."

champion6, Thank you for posting the article from the Daily Sun. It will be interesting to see what kind of homes are to be built in the Village of Fenney. If the article is correct, it looks like the first residents should be be moving into this village in about 12 months from now.

[twoplanekid]

It will be interesting to see how the Village of Fenney is advertised to the public. As The Villages is advertised and sold as a golf cart community, Fenney is described as having unique bike and walking paths. Special care may be required to alert new owner that the rest of TV is not accessible to Fenney residents by golf cart.

The wording in the Wildwood agreement states that
"Local and residential streets, pedestrian paths, and bike paths
shall be included within a system of connected routes within
the community. Design standards shall discourage high
speed vehicular traffic. Golf Cart paths shall be permitted at
the Developer’s option and are not required to be
interconnected to adjacent properties. “

Not stressing golf cart use would be a very big change. I am very curious as to how this will work in promoting the new Village of Fenney.

[asianthree]

I actually know couples who don't own a cart. They have already expressed interest in the new community last night at a gathering. They love TV, just not a fan of golf carts. Both run, and work out daily, this may be the place for them

[Schaumburger]

For those of you who are familiar with the history of the The Villages, is the Village of Fenney the first village to be developed that is not contiguous to another Village?

Just wondering from a marketing/sales standpoint why the developers of The Villages would choose to develop a new village that cannot be accessed by the rest of TV by golf cart?

Would the fact that residents of the Village of Fenney will not be able to travel to the rest of TV by golf cart mean that the rate of sales of homes in this village will go at a slower pace than other villages?

Given the fact that the Village of Fenney is not accessible to the rest of TV by golf cart I agree with twoplanekid that it will be very interesting to see how the Village of Fenney is marketed to potential buyers by the TV sales department.

[Bogie Shooter]

For those of you who are familiar with the history of the The Villages, is the Village of Fenney the first village to be developed that is not contiguous to another Village? Yes.

Just wondering from a marketing/sales standpoint why the developers of The Villages would choose to develop a new village that cannot be accessed by the rest of TV by golf cart? I doubt if that has/will be disclosed.

Would the fact that residents of the Village of Fenney will not be able to travel to the rest of TV by golf cart mean that the rate of sales of homes in this village will go at a slower pace than other villages? No, rate of sale is effected by many factors.

Given the fact that the Village of Fenney is not accessible to the rest of TV by golf cart I agree with twoplanekid that it will be very interesting to see how the Village of Fenney is marketed to potential buyers by the TV sales department. It will be marketed on its strong points, many are different than the rest of TV.

[Boomer]

Never mind

[Finnman]

Seems to me that Village of Fenney is the "new" Orange Blossom.

[graciegirl]

Seems to me that Village of Fenney is the "new" Orange Blossom.



Orange Blossom is similar in many ways to the other dozens of Villages and yet different in many ways. I think in that way it will be a "new" Orange Blossom" BUT with many years of experiences of what works and what doesn't work under the family's belt. Orange Blossom is golf cart accessible, Fenney is not.


I am optimistic and may want to move there. Why not think positive?

[twoplanekid]

Yes, we can all hope that it is not “A bridge too far”. I much prefer that a successful developer builds around the Villages although I am not excited about the sharing of the amenities. On the other hand, District government costs will also be shared which is a good thing. I too wish for continued success in this new approach/venture.

[champion6]

Soon The Villages $5 map will be the size of a bed sheet!:22yikes:

[CFrance]

Soon The Villages $5 map will be the size of a bed sheet!:22yikes:
That's funny!

[graciegirl]

Yes, we can all hope that it is not “A bridge too far”. I much prefer that a successful developer builds around the Villages although I am not excited about the sharing of the amenities. On the other hand, District government costs will also be shared which is a good thing. I too wish for continued success in this new approach/venture.



I read that the plans called for two executive golf courses and a recreation center. We can use the rec center using our cars but we can't use each others executive golf courses easily without golf cart access.


As someone said, I would rather have the family build it than someone who is going to go belly up.

[Nucky]

That's funny!

The grip on the ball retriever worn out & needs changing.....funniest of 2016...:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[outlaw]

I don't read that as a total TV final phase. I read that as a Pine Ridge final phase.

Good one.:BigApplause:

[DReifinger]

The history of TV was always building south, and with each phase making improvements as they progressed. At times they came back north and built east as in the case of Mission Hills and Pine Ridge/Pine Hills, probably as land was attained later. TV does not wait, they move on, they progress, as any good business/developer/provider should. Maybe their goal now is to start south, where they will probably provide turnpike access, and build north to 44. This will allow enough homes (people) to adequately encourage commercial business on 44 similar to 441. Remember, you will probably never be near "the end" or "to far out" in TV. If you try to buy in the middle of TV, can anyone predict where that may be? Exciting times here, as opposed to other parts of this country where there is barely any developing at all.

[Shimpy]

The history of TV was always building south, and with each phase making improvements as they progressed.

Six years ago I bought a new home here and was at the very SW corner of TV. Now I'm smack in the middle of everything. Who knows, maybe in another 6 years I'll be considered in the north of TV.

[dotti105]

Hubby and I drove down there over the weekend. It is a jaunt!!

I can't see how the Village of Fenney will cause any impact on the amenities here. If they have pools, Rec Center, executive Golf Courses etc, they are not going to get in the car for a minimum of a 5 mile drive to go to an activity at one of our Rec centers.

It will be an isolated 55 plus community that "has access" to the rest of The Villages. If someone wants to really have realistic access to our amenities, they would buy here. There are always plenty of resales, that won't change.

The people that buy there will be the people who are happy with the amenities that exist there in The Village of Fenney.

.....That is unless The Villages snaps up some land adjacent and starts to really grow down there. I think most of us find enough to do near our homes that we seldom need to go to the opposite end of The Villages for amenities. Especially if we can't get there on a golf cart.

[jimbo2012]

I heard from a villages broker that they have 3-4,000 acres in the works for development in future but it is titled in other names.

Kinda what Disney did years ago

He sounded credible but don't I don't know 100%

[twoplanekid]

Hubby and I drove down there over the weekend. It is a jaunt!!

I can't see how the Village of Fenney will cause any impact on the amenities here. If they have pools, Rec Center, executive Golf Courses etc, they are not going to get in the car for a minimum of a 5 mile drive to go to an activity at one of our Rec centers.

It will be an isolated 55 plus community that "has access" to the rest of The Villages. If someone wants to really have realistic access to our amenities, they would buy here. There are always plenty of resales, that won't change.

The people that buy there will be the people who are happy with the amenities that exist there in The Village of Fenney.

.....That is unless The Villages snaps up some land adjacent and starts to really grow down there. I think most of us find enough to do near our homes that we seldom need to go to the opposite end of The Villages for amenities. Especially if we can't get there on a golf cart.

I live in Lake Deaton and many times have traveled to Rohan to play pickle ball as all of the closer courts are full. That is almost 4 miles. It will have some impact on our amenities as I don’t believe many will go to Coleman for fun and games.

[graciegirl]

I heard from a villages broker that they have 3-4,000 acres in the works for development in future but it is titled in other names.

Kinda what Disney did years ago

He sounded credible but don't I don't know 100%



I think you're on to something. The land is being developed by another entity in this new village. It will be fun to watch and see. So far, things just get better and better. AND it would be a new start and no added golf traffic to us.

No. I am not an incurable optimist. Everyone has sad and bad things to deal with. It is nice to focus on good and interesting and joyful for those who will choose to live there.

[asianthree]

I would imagine by end of year there will be structures. Can't wait to see new development.

[Challenger]

I think you're on to something. The land is being developed by another entity in this new village. It will be fun to watch and see. So far, things just get better and better. AND it would be a new start and no added golf traffic to us.

No. I am not an incurable optimist. Everyone has sad and bad things to deal with. It is nice to focus on good and interesting and joyful for those who will choose to live there.

GG
Just another "tempest in a teapot".

[RickeyD]

I heard from a villages broker that they have 3-4,000 acres in the works for development in future but it is titled in other names.



Kinda what Disney did years ago



He sounded credible but don't I don't know 100%



Actually what Disney did was use a shell buyer to acquire the land. Having the land titled as a shell owner has no advantage for the developer.

[VillagerFrog58]

First off, I have a house here and thus vested like all the rest of you. No, I don't work for the Villages, thus I'm not a Villages crony. I am still employed and not fully retired yet. Depending on your position, what I'm about to tell you may make you happy, sad or angry. I've lived here since 2012 and have never believed the punchline that "we will be built out in 18 months". I am not going to tell you how I learned all this to protect the innocent.

The Villages Corp owns quite a bit of land or they have a partial ownership interest south of 44. Here is an example. Go to the Sumter County Property website and go to the GIS map. Click on the parcels south of 44. You’ll see several large chunks of land owned by CW4 Inc. Guess what! Look up CW4 since it is incorporated and you’ll see that the registered agent is at 1020 Lake Sumter Landing!! Viola!! You'll see other large chunks of land in which the Villages has a registered agent interest. There are plans to continue the Villages development south of 44. I don't know if they will build a golf cart path or tunnel under 44 as some have suggested. The land immediately south of 44 (owned by Villages Corp via CW4) is really not suitable for homes, thus the next village (after Fenney) will may be farther south of 44 from Morse Blvd, thus perhaps not suitable for golf cart traveling.

There are plans for a mall to be built around the interchange. There is a recognition that commercial has not kept up with the residential building.

Things will continue to grow for many more years... Now, I actually don't mind this. As long as the Villages Corp continues to build, things will be kept pristine and amenity fees will be low. I do hope that as they build south, that another town square goes in.

So.. for all of you out there reading this and about to post your comments. I almost never post because of the massive peanut gallery response that one has to bear. But for those of you that want a glimmer of the future, here you have it. Please don't act surprised when the next announcement occurs.

[Bogie Shooter]

There all here:

[Bogie Shooter]

///

[champion6]

<snip> The Villages Corp owns quite a bit of land or they have a partial ownership interest south of 44. Here is an example. Go to the Sumter County Property website and go to the GIS map. Click on the parcels south of 44. You’ll see several large chunks of land owned by CW4 Inc. Guess what! Look up CW4 since it is incorporated and you’ll see that the registered agent is at 1020 Lake Sumter Landing!! Viola!! You'll see other large chunks of land in which the Villages has a registered agent interest. <snip>First, I don't consider myself to be a peanut in the gallery. Second, I don't want to ague with you. Third, data can change over time.

The registered agent for CW4 Inc. is located at 1028 Lake Sumter Landing. Not significant in my opinion because this is the law firm of McLin Burnsed. They also offices in Spanish Springs and Brownwood, plus two in Leesburg. Yes, of course they do a lot of work for The Villages.

CW4 appears to be formed for the good of the Bailey brothers. Could they be "in bed" with The Villages? Sure.

Will there be more announcements? Could be.

[njbchbum]

FWIW:
Cw4, Inc. in Oxford, FL - Reviews - Bizapedia Profile (http://www.bizapedia.com/fl/CW4-INC.html)

Any relation to Bailey Trail you ask? ;)

[Bonny]

I will say, the Villages owns property all the way to Bushnell. Just sayin' !!!!

[CFrance]

I will say, the Villages owns property all the way to Bushnell. Just sayin' !!!!
Good; then I won't have to go as far to get to my dentist!

[NYGUY]

I will say, the Villages owns property all the way to Bushnell. Just sayin' !!!!

That is good, since I went to Bushnell for the first time today and speculated that the best thing that could happen to that place was the nuclear option.:boom::boom:

[graciegirl]

First off, I have a house here and thus vested like all the rest of you. No, I don't work for the Villages, thus I'm not a Villages crony. I am still employed and not fully retired yet. Depending on your position, what I'm about to tell you may make you happy, sad or angry. I've lived here since 2012 and have never believed the punchline that "we will be built out in 18 months". I am not going to tell you how I learned all this to protect the innocent.

The Villages Corp owns quite a bit of land or they have a partial ownership interest south of 44. Here is an example. Go to the Sumter County Property website and go to the GIS map. Click on the parcels south of 44. You’ll see several large chunks of land owned by CW4 Inc. Guess what! Look up CW4 since it is incorporated and you’ll see that the registered agent is at 1020 Lake Sumter Landing!! Viola!! You'll see other large chunks of land in which the Villages has a registered agent interest. There are plans to continue the Villages development south of 44. I don't know if they will build a golf cart path or tunnel under 44 as some have suggested. The land immediately south of 44 (owned by Villages Corp via CW4) is really not suitable for homes, thus the next village (after Fenney) will may be farther south of 44 from Morse Blvd, thus perhaps not suitable for golf cart traveling.

There are plans for a mall to be built around the interchange. There is a recognition that commercial has not kept up with the residential building.

Things will continue to grow for many more years... Now, I actually don't mind this. As long as the Villages Corp continues to build, things will be kept pristine and amenity fees will be low. I do hope that as they build south, that another town square goes in.

So.. for all of you out there reading this and about to post your comments. I almost never post because of the massive peanut gallery response that one has to bear. But for those of you that want a glimmer of the future, here you have it. Please don't act surprised when the next announcement occurs.




You are the guy that started the thread that said you were making a map where sinkholes were formed and I think you suggested they didn't happen in higher elevations. You said you lived in Largo and Sable Chase. There was some very good debate on your sinkhole theory thread and I think the statement I highlighted above could be debated and further discussed as well.


If you don't expect to get pushback from any speculative statement on here you are expecting too much. It doesn't matter if you call the people who will debate you "The Peanut Gallery" or astute observers. So far things have gone very well and the family has done an excellent job improving as they go, I see no reason for that not to continue.

[Polar Bear]

Lots of debatable statements in that too-long-to-quote recent post. Just to pick one...what exactly makes land "unsuitable to build homes"? With proper engineering, almost any land can be suitable to build homes.

And just so you'll know, you are now the 301st person (+\-), just on ToTV alone, to know with absolute certainty the future of The Villages.

[JourneyOfLife]

"Snowbirds that Rent" are probably doing the "Happy Dance".

An increased supply of rental units (second homes) should help keep rental prices lower.

[outlaw]

Lots of debatable statements in that too-long-to-quote recent post. Just to pick one...what exactly makes land "unsuitable to build homes"? With proper engineering, almost any land can be suitable to build homes.

And just so you'll know, you are now the 301st person (+\-), just on ToTV alone, to know with absolute certainty the future of The Villages.

One thing IS certain; the build out is myth...

[Polar Bear]

One thing IS certain; the build out is myth...

A certainty we can agree on...at least for now and the foreseeable future. :)

[Shimpy]

That is good, since I went to Bushnell for the first time today and speculated that the best thing that could happen to that place was the nuclear option.:boom::boom:

Next time there have breakfast at Wallers across from the courthouse. Very good and cheap.

[CFrance]

I love the drive down 301 to get to my dentist in Bushnell (very good and not cheap). There are some very interesting old Florida homes. I like Bushnell. I'll put Wallers on the list.

[jbdlfan]

That is good, since I went to Bushnell for the first time today and speculated that the best thing that could happen to that place was the nuclear option.:boom::boom:

As one that visits Bushnell at least once a week to watch my grandson play baseball, I couldn't disagree with you more. I guess if you are an elitist NE person, you might not like a working class town. I surely hope you know that the schools are highly rated, as a matter of fact, South Sumter Middle School is a Model School nationally. Most schools in Sumter County are at least 60% low socioeconomic status and still achieve high test scores. So I personally would reserve the nuclear option for many parts of the Northeast as well as some communities in The Villages.(with tongue firmly planted in cheek)
And people wonder why so many outside dislike The Villages.....

[Bogie Shooter]

That is good, since I went to Bushnell for the first time today and speculated that the best thing that could happen to that place was the nuclear option.:boom::boom:

As one that visits Bushnell at least once a week to watch my grandson play baseball, I couldn't disagree with you more. I guess if you are an elitist NE person, you might not like a working class town. I surely hope you know that the schools are highly rated, as a matter of fact, South Sumter Middle School is a Model School nationally. Most schools in Sumter County are at least 60% low socioeconomic status and still achieve high test scores. So I personally would reserve the nuclear option for many parts of the Northeast as well as some communities in The Villages.(with tongue firmly planted in cheek)
And people wonder why so many outside dislike The Villages.....
Now that's a :boom:

[RickeyD]

As one that visits Bushnell at least once a week to watch my grandson play baseball, I couldn't disagree with you more. I guess if you are an elitist NE person, you might not like a working class town. I surely hope you know that the schools are highly rated, as a matter of fact, South Sumter Middle School is a Model School nationally. Most schools in Sumter County are at least 60% low socioeconomic status and still achieve high test scores. So I personally would reserve the nuclear option for many parts of the Northeast as well as some communities in The Villages.(with tongue firmly planted in cheek)

And people wonder why so many outside dislike The Villages.....



The phrase "working class" is elitist, just sayin... [emoji15]

[Polar Bear]

The phrase "working class" is elitist, just sayin... [emoji15]
I think in the context it was used it was more than appropriate. Just sayin'.

[NYGUY]

....So I personally would reserve the nuclear option for many parts of the Northeast

:a040: as I would include them as well..:ho:

[RickeyD]

I think in the context it was used it was more than appropriate. Just sayin'.



Don't agree. Anytime anyone use's that phase in any context it's insulting to anyone working just to make ends meet. More insulting then white trash, trailer trash etc. because it's used everywhere and not considered politically incorrect by the elitist crowd.

[Marathon Man]

I am, and come from, working class. I have no problem with the term. We are people who work, and we have the class to be proud of it. Hey, Rickey. I am sure the poster meant no insult at all. Beers on me for both of you.

[Polar Bear]

Don't agree. Anytime anyone use's that phase in any context it's insulting to anyone working just to make ends meet. More insulting then white trash, trailer trash etc. because it's used everywhere and not considered politically incorrect by the elitist crowd.
Couldn't disagree more. Context does matter. It's all important.

It was in response to a much-more-obviously degrading, elitist remark about nuking an entire area...and obviously sarcastic in nature. In context, it was in defense of the people degraded by the post it was in response to.

By the way, I also agree with Marathon Man, I would not be insulted...in fact would feel a sense of pride...if I was referred to as a 'working man'.

[dbussone]

As one that visits Bushnell at least once a week to watch my grandson play baseball, I couldn't disagree with you more. I guess if you are an elitist NE person, you might not like a working class town. I surely hope you know that the schools are highly rated, as a matter of fact, South Sumter Middle School is a Model School nationally. Most schools in Sumter County are at least 60% low socioeconomic status and still achieve high test scores. So I personally would reserve the nuclear option for many parts of the Northeast as well as some communities in The Villages.(with tongue firmly planted in cheek)
And people wonder why so many outside dislike The Villages.....

I've been to South Sumter High and Bushnell on several occasions. And have been honored to present an outstanding ROTC cadet award to several outstanding students. The school and students are impressive. Bushnell reminds me of some towns I enjoy in Maine. I'm from Maine and grew up in Boston, so please don't nuke them (or anyone else for that matter).

[graciegirl]

I've been to South Sumter High and Bushnell on several occasions. And have been honored to present an outstanding ROTC cadet award to several outstanding students. The school and students are impressive. Bushnell reminds me of some towns I enjoy in Maine. I'm from Maine and grew up in Boston, so please don't nuke them (or anyone else for that matter).



Beautiful post. I missed the ruckus.


I am working class, always was and always will be. I am also very frugal and extremely lucky. I have been poor and it scares me. I try to stay ahead of my bills and hope to not outlive my last dollar.


Money is a very touchy subject.

[jbdlfan]

Couldn't disagree more. Context does matter. It's all important.

It was in response to a much-more-obviously degrading, elitist remark about nuking an entire area...and obviously sarcastic in nature. In context, it was in defense of the people degraded by the post it was in response to.

By the way, I also agree with Marathon Man, I would not be insulted...in fact would feel a sense of pride...if I was referred to as a 'working man'.

You are 100% in my intentions. My grandparents, parents, myself and now my children are working class. They/we work very hard, are proud of that fact as are many family and friends from the Bushnell area. This country was built on the backs of the working class and some make the best of it, some don't.
Back to subject of TV reaching that far, it would be pretty cool to show up for little league baseball and football games in our golf cart.

[Moderator]

The topic of this thread is The Villages expanding south of Route 44. Please continue with that topic. Continued off topic posts will cause the thread to be closed.

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[JourneyOfLife]

It would not surprise me to see "The Villages" double in size, over the next decade (2016 - 2025)

Baby boomer retirements are just beginning.

[outlaw]

Speaking of MMP striping, I think we should do it.

[justjim]

I just spent yesterday afternoon with a guy named Bob (3 years away from retirement) from my adopted Midwest home town about the size of The Villages and once again I couldn't get over the excitement and positive comments he continued to make as we toured this place for about 3 hours. Those of us who have lived here for awhile take so much for granted. Frankly, I needed that tour with him more than he did. We can so get so caught up in the "negative" that we don't realize what we have here. For all the Bob's out there, continue to grow south so they too can realize all the benefits of this place we call The Villages. Amen.

[tuccillo]

Assuming you mean double in terms of the number of homes, it isn't clear that would be possible. It would require building twice as many homes per year as they are currently building.

It would not surprise me to see "The Villages" double in size, over the next decade (2016 - 2025)

Baby boomer retirements are just beginning.

[RickeyD]

It would not surprise me to see "The Villages" double in size, over the next decade (2016 - 2025)

Baby boomer retirements are just beginning.



Many boomers have purchased before they retire, myself included, 6 years ahead of schedule so as to beat the "rush". The current building boom reflects some of that reality.

[Chi-Town]

Gen-Xers are starting to hit their 50's. And they like what they see here.

[Bogie Shooter]

I just spent yesterday afternoon with a guy named Bob (3 years away from retirement) from my adopted Midwest home town about the size of The Villages and once again I couldn't get over the excitement and positive comments he continued to make as we toured this place for about 3 hours. Those of us who have lived here for awhile take so much for granted. Frankly, I needed that tour with him more than he did. We can so get so caught up in the "negative" that we don't realize what we have here. For all the Bob's out there, continue to grow south so they too can realize all the benefits of this place we call The Villages. Amen.

You only get the negative on here..........................

[Schaumburger]

I just spent yesterday afternoon with a guy named Bob (3 years away from retirement) from my adopted Midwest home town about the size of The Villages and once again I couldn't get over the excitement and positive comments he continued to make as we toured this place for about 3 hours. Those of us who have lived here for awhile take so much for granted. Frankly, I needed that tour with him more than he did. We can so get so caught up in the "negative" that we don't realize what we have here. For all the Bob's out there, continue to grow south so they too can realize all the benefits of this place we call The Villages. Amen.

I am a "Bobette", and I hope to one day realize all of the benefits of living in The Villages. I know no place is perfect, and TV may have its growing pains in the new areas south of 466A, but those living in TV are one lucky bunch.

[dbussone]

I am a "Bobette", and I hope to one day realize all of the benefits of living in The Villages. I know no place is perfect, and TV may have its growing pains in the new areas south of 466A, but those living in TV are one lucky bunch.



We are lucky, very lucky! When you get here you will find it is a perfect place.

[Packer Fan]

The history of TV was always building south, and with each phase making improvements as they progressed. At times they came back north and built east as in the case of Mission Hills and Pine Ridge/Pine Hills, probably as land was attained later. TV does not wait, they move on, they progress, as any good business/developer/provider should. Maybe their goal now is to start south, where they will probably provide turnpike access, and build north to 44. This will allow enough homes (people) to adequately encourage commercial business on 44 similar to 441. Remember, you will probably never be near "the end" or "to far out" in TV. If you try to buy in the middle of TV, can anyone predict where that may be? Exciting times here, as opposed to other parts of this country where there is barely any developing at all.

Interesting - when we bought in Hillsborough, we thought LSL was the center of the villages. Now it looks like Hillsborough will be in the center. I loved the location when I bought it, now I really love it! :clap2:

[Packer Fan]

First, I don't consider myself to be a peanut in the gallery. Second, I don't want to ague with you. Third, data can change over time.

The registered agent for CW4 Inc. is located at 1028 Lake Sumter Landing. Not significant in my opinion because this is the law firm of McLin Burnsed. They also offices in Spanish Springs and Brownwood, plus two in Leesburg. Yes, of course they do a lot of work for The Villages.

CW4 appears to be formed for the good of the Bailey brothers. Could they be "in bed" with The Villages? Sure.

Will there be more announcements? Could be.

McLin and Burnsed is basically the villages lawyers - they do the closings and all real estate paperwork... I would say I believe CW4 is a shell corp. It is not hard at all to set this stuff up and hide your identity in these deals. This makes a lot of sense. I bet some of the property with signs saying it is for sale is already owned by TV, and they just don't take the signs down so it looks like stuff is still for sale. I figure from Finney north to TV will eventually look like the land North of 466 - which if you look on google is littered with Property that is not part of the villages - they just went around it.

[Packer Fan]

One thing IS certain; the build out is myth...

I knew it was a myth before this - they are trying to hire a director of purchasing - this is what I do and considered applying for the job - just not ready to move down there yet permanently for several reasons - including takin the cut in pay involved. Why would they be hiring a Director of purchasing if you are almost built out.

JobsInLogistics.com (http://www.jobsinlogistics.com/cgi-local/applybuild.cgi?action=StartApplyBuild&Source=indeed&JobIndNum=6590514&Source=indeed-sponsored)

[Packer Fan]

I just want to say - anything the developer does seems to turn to gold - let them keep on keepin on.

[Bogie Shooter]

I knew it was a myth before this - they are trying to hire a director of purchasing - this is what I do and considered applying for the job - just not ready to move down there yet permanently for several reasons - including takin the cut in pay involved. Why would they be hiring a Director of purchasing if you are almost built out.

JobsInLogistics.com (http://www.jobsinlogistics.com/cgi-local/applybuild.cgi?action=StartApplyBuild&Source=indeed&JobIndNum=6590514&Source=indeed-sponsored)

To buy stuff, isn't that what you do? Probably not real estate................

[billethkid]

I am a "Bobette", and I hope to one day realize all of the benefits of living in The Villages. I know no place is perfect, and TV may have its growing pains in the new areas south of 466A, but those living in TV are one lucky bunch.

Growing pains south of 466A?

Having among the first homes built south of 466 (not 466A) and the population go from 35,000 to over 3 times that in the past 12 years ......no Arnold Palmer CC....no Lake Sumter Landing....no shopping centers anywhere near Rolling Acres......etc. we have more than gone through the growing pains and are now just merely expanding on a great lifestyle that works.

We have witnessed first hand that bigger is better.......and continuing to get better.

[Bonny]

Growing pains south of 466A?

Having among the first homes built south of 466 (not 466A) and the population go from 35,000 to over 3 times that in the past 12 years ......no Arnold Palmer CC....no Lake Sumter Landing....no shopping centers anywhere near Rolling Acres......etc. we have more than gone through the growing pains and are now just merely expanding on a great lifestyle that works.

We have witnessed first hand that bigger is better.......and continuing to get better.
:BigApplause:

[Packer Fan]

To buy stuff, isn't that what you do? Probably not real estate................

You should read the posting - it says to buy construction materials. That was my point.

[asianthree]

So met with our sales rep today, she no longer has any idea of what going to happen now. She is baffled as to the new land purchase. But she is hoping for a mall to shop at.

[Bonny]

So met with our sales rep today, she no longer has any idea of what going to happen now. She is baffled as to the new land purchase. But she is hoping for a mall to shop at.
I don't ever foresee a mall. They are getting to be a thing of the past. Look at the malls in the area. Many stores closing and many struggling to stay open. Non of the sales rep have a clue. my stepson has been a sales rep here for 11 years. they don't get information much quicker than the rest of us.

[asianthree]

I don't ever foresee a mall. They are getting to be a thing of the past. Look at the malls in the area. Many stores closing and many struggling to stay open. Non of the sales rep have a clue. my stepson has been a sales rep here for 11 years. they don't get information much quicker than the rest of us.

She is still hoping for a mall somewhere to shop that takes longer than 5 minutes to cover. Going out of the bubble in am, for just that

[Bonny]

She is still hoping for a mall somewhere to shop that takes longer than 5 minutes to cover. Going out of the bubble in am, for just that
She can go to Paddock Mall in Ocala or Lake Square Mall in Leesburg.

[asianthree]

She can go to Paddock Mall in Ocala or Lake Square Mall in Leesburg.

Yep but still out of bubble. That's why we are going shopping this morning. Far away from here

[justjim]

She is still hoping for a mall somewhere to shop that takes longer than 5 minutes to cover. Going out of the bubble in am, for just that

In a couple of years after the exit off the Turnpike is built, your wish may come true.

[twoplanekid]

Not the question I was asking. What is the process to include this new CDD into the other Village CDDs? Do the established CDD districts vote on letting this new CDD become a part of the District government? Becoming part of the Villages District government then automatically lets the home owners of that new CDD use all of the Village amenities. That is my question? :confused:

FYI for the inquisitive

The following information provided by Brittany Wilson, Assistant to the District Manager and I quote ->


"Thank you for your email and your interest in the Village Community Development Districts. The process for establishing a Community Development District (CDD) is governed by Chapter 190 of Florida State Statutes.

I am going to use Village Community Development District No. 11(VCDD No. 11) as an example since it is the most recently formed CDD in The Villages.

The establishment of a CDD requires approval by the local government it resides within (city or county) and approval from the State Legislature. In the case of VCDD No. 11, the city of Fruitland Park approved the establishment of the District as well as the legislature. When a CDD is established it also must be for a specific purpose and a specific area.

The CDDs are governed by a 5 member board of elected officials which have the authority to issue bonds, adopt budgets, levy maintenance assessments, approve contracts, and implement policies and maintain items they are responsible for which include, for the CDDs in The Villages,: landscape, water retention areas, villa roads, multi-modal paths, sign walls etc.

The Management, Finance and Administrative Services for VCDD No. 11 are provided by another governmental entity, the Village Center Community Development District (VCCDD) in exchange for a management fee for their proportionate share of services. These services are agreed upon through an Interlocal Governmental Agreement approved by the VCCDD and VCDD No. 11 Board of Supervisors. Entering into the Interlocal Agreement with the VCCDD provides an economy of scale since they provide management services to other CDDs in The Villages.

This is a brief overview to address your questions; however, I would highly recommend attending CDD Orientation which is a program we host weekly. This program provides an overview of how special districts operate in the State of Florida government structure, and specifically here in The Villages. The orientation is held every Thursday at 10:00 a.m. in the District Office location at 984 Old Mill Run in Lake Sumter Landing. No signups are required.

Following CDD Orientation, we also host Resident Academy. This is two half-day sessions that provides an in depth review of the Village Community Development District operations with a presentation from each Department Director. There is also a tour of one of our Waste Water Treatment Facilities. This does currently have a wait list, but it is definitely worth attending."

This is how a new CDD is added to The Villages by management.

[graciegirl]

FYI for the inquisitive

The following information provided by Brittany Wilson, Assistant to the District Manager and I quote ->


"Thank you for your email and your interest in the Village Community Development Districts. The process for establishing a Community Development District (CDD) is governed by Chapter 190 of Florida State Statutes.

I am going to use Village Community Development District No. 11(VCDD No. 11) as an example since it is the most recently formed CDD in The Villages.

The establishment of a CDD requires approval by the local government it resides within (city or county) and approval from the State Legislature. In the case of VCDD No. 11, the city of Fruitland Park approved the establishment of the District as well as the legislature. When a CDD is established it also must be for a specific purpose and a specific area.

The CDDs are governed by a 5 member board of elected officials which have the authority to issue bonds, adopt budgets, levy maintenance assessments, approve contracts, and implement policies and maintain items they are responsible for which include, for the CDDs in The Villages,: landscape, water retention areas, villa roads, multi-modal paths, sign walls etc.

The Management, Finance and Administrative Services for VCDD No. 11 are provided by another governmental entity, the Village Center Community Development District (VCCDD) in exchange for a management fee for their proportionate share of services. These services are agreed upon through an Interlocal Governmental Agreement approved by the VCCDD and VCDD No. 11 Board of Supervisors. Entering into the Interlocal Agreement with the VCCDD provides an economy of scale since they provide management services to other CDDs in The Villages.

This is a brief overview to address your questions; however, I would highly recommend attending CDD Orientation which is a program we host weekly. This program provides an overview of how special districts operate in the State of Florida government structure, and specifically here in The Villages. The orientation is held every Thursday at 10:00 a.m. in the District Office location at 984 Old Mill Run in Lake Sumter Landing. No signups are required.

Following CDD Orientation, we also host Resident Academy. This is two half-day sessions that provides an in depth review of the Village Community Development District operations with a presentation from each Department Director. There is also a tour of one of our Waste Water Treatment Facilities. This does currently have a wait list, but it is definitely worth attending."

This is how a new CDD is added to The Villages by management.




AND although it is different and definitely not like the way things are run in small towns in Ohio, this very large entity is about as good as it gets. I sense that you long for it to have all decisions brought to a vote and run in the traditional way.


My answer is that if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Over 100,000 folks VOTED with their wallets.

[billethkid]

AND although it is different and definitely not like the way things are run in small towns in Ohio, this very large entity is about as good as it gets. I sense that you long for it to have all decisions brought to a vote and run in the traditional way.


My answer is that if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Over 100,000 folks VOTED with their wallets.

If that were ever to happen the lifestyle would quickly become secondary or less to political objectives.

[twoplanekid]

AND although it is different and definitely not like the way things are run in small towns in Ohio, this very large entity is about as good as it gets. I sense that you long for it to have all decisions brought to a vote and run in the traditional way.


My answer is that if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Over 100,000 folks VOTED with their wallets.

As we do live in The United States of America, I must admit I am more comfortable with elected officials running things. In the Villages, we all know who to praise if The Villages remain beautiful and who to blame if it doesn’t.

[Polar Bear]

As we do live in The United States of America, I must admit I am more comfortable with elected officials running things..
Even private enterprise? No thanks.

I love America BECAUSE it makes private ventures like TV possible.

[twoplanekid]

Even private enterprise? No thanks.

I love America BECAUSE it makes private ventures like TV possible.

I was talking about elected officials running our government such as a city, state or national. The IRS would love your definition of TV as private enterprise.

[Polar Bear]

...The IRS would love your definition of TV as private enterprise.
Yep. The IRS does love successful private enterprise...even when part of it includes a governing body. What's your point?

[pauld315]

Now I understand why the sales guy I deal with down there called and invited us back down for another LSP. We can't move until my wife retires in 2 years so she can get all her benefits from her job during retirement We have been to TV multiple times over the years (since 2000) and I definitely will go out there to look at this new tract when we go down there this summer.

[Villages Kahuna]

Hop in your car and start at the intersection of CR 301 and 44. Drive south to CR 462, which will be the western boundary of the Villages of Finney. By the odometer on my car, it was more than a four mile drive!

Even if a tunnel is built under CR 44--boy, that would be a long tunnel--or a bridge built over it, that would be a long drive in a golf cart to access any of the amenities or shopping in the now southern end of The Villages. From the south end of Finney to even the closest Executive golf course would be the equivalent of someone living in Mallory Square, like me, golf carting it down to Nancy Lopez or the executive courses at the far north end of TV. I can't see how Finney will ever be integrated or put much pressure on the retail or other amenities in what is now the main part of TV, particularly if residents choose to use golf carts to get around.

[pauld315]

Correcting some assumptions, doubts and misinformation that have recently been posted in this thread. It always amazes me how short our memories are.

Attached is a scan of the March 28, 2016 Daily Sun article.

It states:

... site work could start within the next couple of months
(Amenities) include two 9-hole executive golf courses, a chip-and-putt area, recreation centers, courts, an outdoor fitness trail, a bike/walking nature corridor, a dog park and both active and passive green space.
New homes are expected to be available beginning in the first quarter of 2017.

Also, as I posted earlier, the ordinance passed by the Wildwood City Commission shows that the development will include a "primary recreation center, two neighborhood recreation centers, various trails, MMPs, and parks, 9 or 18 holes of golf."

Yes, it would be different but since I can't play golf anymore due to shoulder injuries, that is not really a factor. The question would be if one wanted to be that far away from the town squares and being able to jump into a golf cart to travel to all the commercial space has to offer. If it is true what I saw on another post that the Morse's are actually accumulating parcels between the current southern end of TV and this new village, that would all grow together at some point in the future and commercial space, maybe even another town square would be developed at some point. The question is if I would still be alive by the time that happened ? As much as we have visited over the years (the first time we ever came to TV it had about 10K residents), I don't think we have been there in the last 3 years. Bonifay was just being built and the new town square at Brownwood had just opened. When I left that last time I told my wife that as much as I love TV and all it offers, it was just getting too crowded for my tastes. Over the years, it seemed like the percentage of year round residents had increased because it even seemed more crowded in the summer than I had remembered. We have been looking elsewhere in Florida to retire to be quite honest because of that concern. Nothing really compares to TV. This may be the perfect solution. Villages type atmosphere in a new village with the golf courses, rec centers etc and access (albeit by car) to all that The Villages offers while living in a less congested area. Just a thought. The area in TV we really love is over by the polo grounds. I think that is because there is still some wide open spaces there, so if we bought in the main part of the Villages that is probably where we would look.

[CFrance]

We used to live in a city of 70,000 residents. it was pretty spread out, like TV is. We didn't use all of the city. We pretty much stayed in our immediate area for recreation, church, etc. I think we latecomers to TV (2011) see it as a whole city with a lot of smaller communities in it. Even though we can avail ourselves of all of it, we don't really need to. The people in Fenney might enjoy being a bit "Far from the madding crowd," at least for as long as it takes TV to buy parcels around Fenney and fill them in. Which as a poster already opined, could take long enough that he might not still be around.

[GreggB]

Hop in your car and start at the intersection of CR 301 and 44. Drive south to CR 462, which will be the western boundary of the Villages of Finney. By the odometer on my car, it was more than a four mile drive!

Even if a tunnel is built under CR 44--boy, that would be a long tunnel--or a bridge built over it, that would be a long drive in a golf cart to access any of the amenities or shopping in the now southern end of The Villages. From the south end of Finney to even the closest Executive golf course would be the equivalent of someone living in Mallory Square, like me, golf carting it down to Nancy Lopez or the executive courses at the far north end of TV. I can't see how Finney will ever be integrated or put much pressure on the retail or other amenities in what is now the main part of TV, particularly if residents choose to use golf carts to get around.

Yes while that is true I think if you take 468 from the intersection of Morse & 44 you will find the distance to Fenney to be very close to 4 miles.

[photo1902]

Hop in your car and start at the intersection of CR 301 and 44. Drive south to CR 462, which will be the western boundary of the Villages of Finney. By the odometer on my car, it was more than a four mile drive!

Even if a tunnel is built under CR 44--boy, that would be a long tunnel--or a bridge built over it, that would be a long drive in a golf cart to access any of the amenities or shopping in the now southern end of The Villages. From the south end of Finney to even the closest Executive golf course would be the equivalent of someone living in Mallory Square, like me, golf carting it down to Nancy Lopez or the executive courses at the far north end of TV. I can't see how Finney will ever be integrated or put much pressure on the retail or other amenities in what is now the main part of TV, particularly if residents choose to use golf carts to get around.

Where does 462 cross 44 or 301 south of Wildwood. Did you mean 468?

[IndianaJones]

Now I understand why the sales guy I deal with down there called and invited us back down for another LSP. We can't move until my wife retires in 2 years so she can get all her benefits from her job during retirement We have been to TV multiple times over the years (since 2000) and I definitely will go out there to look at this new tract when we go down there this summer.

Good for you! I was in the same spot, last year -now I'm here but still working - it can be done! It amazes me to read people on these posts fretting 'bout "build-outs" and loss of value and loss of control. They moved here because of what a terrific job the owners did, the great lifestyle - and now they don't want anyone else "joining the club". They complain incredibly during the winter months because of the snowbirds - but those same snowbirds are a huge boon, economically, to the area. Change is inevitable. This new area may appeal to a "different generation" of retirees - people retiring now were born in 1961-61, not 1931. I read yesterday where only ~700,000 WWII vets were left (God bless 'em) and 430 per day pass on. There is a "new wave" of retirees coming, and guess what? They like "different things". Sure, I know there's a fear of home prices sliding, developer leaving, crazy people taking over - but progress & change happens, so adapting is necessary. Times change - imagine that!

[Shimpy]

I see a tunnel coming under 44.

No way......The cost of a tunnel under an existing road would be hugh as compared to tunnels put in place and a road built over it.

[Fraugoofy]

Gen-Xers are starting to hit their 50's. And they like what they see here.
Yes, they do!

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[Fraugoofy]

I am a "Bobette", and I hope to one day realize all of the benefits of living in The Villages. I know no place is perfect, and TV may have its growing pains in the new areas south of 466A, but those living in TV are one lucky bunch.
I hope your first name is not Lorena!

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[kgentile1010]

I wish they would build a monorail. That would be fun :)

[pauld315]

From what I heard when I was just there on our LPP. Some of this has already been written about in this thread, some hasn't. The land from Brownwood to Feeney is already owned by TV but it is in another company name. The reason they are starting at Feeney is because it already has all the permits needed and has already undergone environmental studies etc. This is because another developer had already done all of that work before the real estate bust in 2008. Also, I heard that TV has applied to get permission to build six golf cart tunnels under 44. If they are building 6 tunnels I can imagine development from at least Brownwood to Feeney and probably pretty wide.. I think they will stop when they hit the Gulf of Mexico!

[photo1902]

From what I heard when I was just there on our LPP. Some of this has already been written about in this thread, some hasn't. The land from Brownwood to Feeney is already owned by TV but it is in another company name. The reason they are starting at Feeney is because it already has all the permits needed and has already undergone environmental studies etc. This is because another developer had already done all of that work before the real estate bust in 2008. Also, I heard that TV has applied to get permission to build six golf cart tunnels under 44. If they are building 6 tunnels I can imagine development from at least Brownwood to Feeney and probably pretty wide.. I think they will stop when they hit the Gulf of Mexico!

It's "Fenney".

[mickey100]

Good for you! I was in the same spot, last year -now I'm here but still working - it can be done! It amazes me to read people on these posts fretting 'bout "build-outs" and loss of value and loss of control. They moved here because of what a terrific job the owners did, the great lifestyle - and now they don't want anyone else "joining the club". They complain incredibly during the winter months because of the snowbirds - but those same snowbirds are a huge boon, economically, to the area. Change is inevitable. This new area may appeal to a "different generation" of retirees - people retiring now were born in 1961-61, not 1931. I read yesterday where only ~700,000 WWII vets were left (God bless 'em) and 430 per day pass on. There is a "new wave" of retirees coming, and guess what? They like "different things". Sure, I know there's a fear of home prices sliding, developer leaving, crazy people taking over - but progress & change happens, so adapting is necessary. Times change - imagine that!

Thank you. Good points.