A college in AZ to charge fee to fund illegal immigrants!?!?!?

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As the article states this a an adminstration making a political statement.

If I were a student there I would quit.

If I had a child going there and was paying for their education, they would have to change schools as I would not pay the fee.

I would love to meet the president of that school to have him/her try to explain to me why they think this is the right thing to be doing.

Arizona college imposes mandatory fee to fund scholarship for illegal immigrants | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/04/06/arizona-college-imposes-mandatory-fee-to-fund-scholarship-for-illegal-immigrants.html)

What is the incentive to handle immigration according to the law when the bleeding heart fools are promoting and facilitating those who do not abide by the laws of the land.

Hopefully this is and remains an isolated institution. Hopefully there are students and parents there that feel as I do and respond accordingly.

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"Prescott College is tacking a $30 annual fee onto its $28,000 annual tuition to establish an annual scholarship for “undocumented” students, as part of a policy first proposed by students and faculty from the undergraduate and Social Justice and Human Rights Master of Arts divisions. Backers say it helps reverse what they call Arizona’s reputation as a “national example of discriminatory politics.”

You would pay everything but the fee? I could only afford a third of my kids tuition Your kids were fortunte.

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I don't like Trump but I'll give him my vote since he is promising to kick the illegal aliens @$$es out of our country. We don't need criminals going to school with our kids.

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I don't like Trump but I'll give him my vote since he is promising to kick the illegal aliens @$$es out of our country. We don't need criminals going to school with our kids.It's OK. The other republicans won't call you a traitor. You can like Trump. Be open minded. He thinks like you do.

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Consider the source: Fox News.

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There are specific requirements for the awarding of scholarships. If someone metes the requirements, then more power to them.


General Criteria for all Prescott College Scholarships and Grants (Gift Aid):

Except as noted, all funds require at least half-time enrollment (6 credits) at Prescott College
Prescott College scholarships and grant aid are not transferable to other colleges or programs
Courses taken at other institutions may not be counted towards meeting the enrollment requirement for Prescott College gift aid
Scholarships and grants may be applied towards summer enrollment
Prescott College scholarships and grants are applied towards direct costs only and cannot be combined with other tuition-specific funds such as tuition remission, waivers for tuition, or agency and third party payments that are intended to cover direct costs only
Students will qualify for the same amount of renewable Prescott College gift aid each term, provided the student meets academic progress requirements. The amount is prorated based on enrollment level
Full Time 12 or more credits 100%
Three Quarter Time 9 – 11 credits 75%
Half Time 6-8 credits 50%
Scholarships are offered on the basis of academic merit, or other criteria, at the point of admission. These awards are available for up to the normal duration of the program

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There are specific requirements for the awarding of scholarships. If someone metes the requirements, then more power to them.


General Criteria for all Prescott College Scholarships and Grants (Gift Aid):

Except as noted, all funds require at least half-time enrollment (6 credits) at Prescott College
Prescott College scholarships and grant aid are not transferable to other colleges or programs
Courses taken at other institutions may not be counted towards meeting the enrollment requirement for Prescott College gift aid
Scholarships and grants may be applied towards summer enrollment
Prescott College scholarships and grants are applied towards direct costs only and cannot be combined with other tuition-specific funds such as tuition remission, waivers for tuition, or agency and third party payments that are intended to cover direct costs only
Students will qualify for the same amount of renewable Prescott College gift aid each term, provided the student meets academic progress requirements. The amount is prorated based on enrollment level
Full Time 12 or more credits 100%
Three Quarter Time 9 – 11 credits 75%
Half Time 6-8 credits 50%
Scholarships are offered on the basis of academic merit, or other criteria, at the point of admission. These awards are available for up to the normal duration of the program

No offense, but what does any of that list have to do with Illegal aliens receiving a scholarship or even being allowed to register with the college? They are criminals, so I do not see the point of their being welcome at one of our institutions, other than a jail before deportation.

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"Prescott College is tacking a $30 annual fee onto its $28,000 annual tuition to establish an annual scholarship for “undocumented” students, as part of a policy first proposed by students and faculty from the undergraduate and Social Justice and Human Rights Master of Arts divisions. Backers say it helps reverse what they call Arizona’s reputation as a “national example of discriminatory politics.”

You would pay everything but the fee? I could only afford a third of my kids tuition Your kids were fortunte.

Ha ha ha...that's REALLY part of their curriculum?

No offense, but what does any of that list have to do with Illegal aliens receiving a scholarship or even being allowed to register with the college? They are criminals, so I do not see the point of their being welcome at one of our institutions, other than a jail before deportation.

In 30 years, you won't recognize this country. For the last 5 years, there have been more minority births than white. More minority kindergarten registrations then white. We're on our way out. The world is becoming 3rd world as the "West" is bred out of their own countries.

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Ha ha ha...that's REALLY part of their curriculum?



In 30 years, you won't recognize this country. For the last 5 years, there have been more minority births than white. More minority kindergarten registrations then white. We're on our way out. The world is becoming 3rd world as the "West" is bred out of their own countries.

And may have already passed the point of no return.

With the likes of Obama and free entry, open border, no law enforcement, financial aid to illegals and the like mined activity in recent months in Europe and already underway in France and Germany.....we are fast becoming the minority.

I have to laugh because we did nothing about it when we were decidedly the majority!!

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There are specific requirements for the awarding of scholarships. If someone metes the requirements, then more power to them.


General Criteria for all Prescott College Scholarships and Grants (Gift Aid):

Except as noted, all funds require at least half-time enrollment (6 credits) at Prescott College
Prescott College scholarships and grant aid are not transferable to other colleges or programs
Courses taken at other institutions may not be counted towards meeting the enrollment requirement for Prescott College gift aid
Scholarships and grants may be applied towards summer enrollment
Prescott College scholarships and grants are applied towards direct costs only and cannot be combined with other tuition-specific funds such as tuition remission, waivers for tuition, or agency and third party payments that are intended to cover direct costs only
Students will qualify for the same amount of renewable Prescott College gift aid each term, provided the student meets academic progress requirements. The amount is prorated based on enrollment level
Full Time 12 or more credits 100%
Three Quarter Time 9 – 11 credits 75%
Half Time 6-8 credits 50%
Scholarships are offered on the basis of academic merit, or other criteria, at the point of admission. These awards are available for up to the normal duration of the program

Other than a brain fart triggered catharsis what does the above have to do with the subject at hand??

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Other than a brain fart triggered catharsis what does the above have to do with the subject at hand??

Worded a bit differently, I asked that question also.

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And may have already passed the point of no return.

With the likes of Obama and free entry, open border, no law enforcement, financial aid to illegals and the like mined activity in recent months in Europe and already underway in France and Germany.....we are fast becoming the minority.

I have to laugh because we did nothing about it when we were decidedly the majority!!

We were "shamed" into letting it happen. We felt so sorry for blacks that we allowed them to live for free, pretty well too. Everyone else jumped on the band wagon and got a piece too. We're now being overrun. we're 5 years into no longer being the majority. Our best years are behind us, look at the 3rd world look of our cities and towns. If you didn't know, you'd think you were in another country.

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America used to be the great Utopia. But, little by little the liberals and socialists have infiltrated the power structure until they have had enough power to change our country into the ghetto. I figure that I have about 30 years left and I figure that by the time our great country falls to the needy, subsidized socialists, I'll be about out of here. We had it great, and now the youth of our country are getting what they asked for, the keys to the car. How they treat that car is totally up to them. Because now that they are adults, they are responsible for all the maintenance (or lack of) and all the insurance and all the tickets they get. It's no longer up to the parents to bail them out. If they can't get it under control, then they deserve to lose everything their parents built for them. Immigrants are not the problem. Criminals and lack of enforcement is the problem. If you ask an immigrant that came in to our country legally, they will tell you that it is unfair that others get to circumvent the law and even get benefits when they do it. Like the old saying goes, the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. Have fun with your European style socialism. I am sure that America can do it much better than all those other failed countries.

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We were "shamed" into letting it happen. We felt so sorry for blacks that we allowed them to live for free, pretty well too. This what happened to the presidency after Lincoln was assassinated.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Johnson

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America used to be the great Utopia. But, little by little the liberals and socialists have infiltrated the power structure until they have had enough power to change our country into the ghetto. I figure that I have about 30 years left and I figure that by the time our great country falls to the needy, subsidized socialists, I'll be about out of here. We had it great, and now the youth of our country are getting what they asked for, the keys to the car. How they treat that car is totally up to them. Because now that they are adults, they are responsible for all the maintenance (or lack of) and all the insurance and all the tickets they get. It's no longer up to the parents to bail them out. If they can't get it under control, then they deserve to lose everything their parents built for them. Immigrants are not the problem. Criminals and lack of enforcement is the problem. If you ask an immigrant that came in to our country legally, they will tell you that it is unfair that others get to circumvent the law and even get benefits when they do it. Like the old saying goes, the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. Have fun with your European style socialism. I am sure that America can do it much better than all those other failed countries.Do you think your photo or cartoon supports your argument?

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Do you think your photo or cartoon supports your argument?

Like the great philosopher once said "What difference does it make?"

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Like the great philosopher once said "What difference does it make?"If that's true, why post at all?

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If that's true, why post at all?
I get it. sorry The photo or cartoon is not that important. I asked myself that same question. Why post at all? I don't really have a very good answer.

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I get it. sorry The photo or cartoon is not that important. I asked myself that same question. Why post at all? I don't really have a very good answer.

It is a way to keep the fingers nimble, sight to hand coordination and a chance to practice almost forgotten vocabulary. It is self-edification at the least and mind exercise if nothing else. I also learn a little of current events that some find interesting, so that I can scan the vast library of the Internet for minute details of political controversy. YES...........a total waste of time, but better that wasting it on the idiot box, aka boob-tube.

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It is a way to keep the fingers nimble, sight to hand coordination and a chance to practice almost forgotten vocabulary. It is self-edification at the least and mind exercise if nothing else. I also learn a little of current events that some find interesting, so that I can scan the vast library of the Internet for minute details of political controversy. YES...........a total waste of time, but better that wasting it on the idiot box, aka boob-tube.thank-you--That's just it. Everything you said. I can't see myself solving crossword puzzles or Sudoku. We are lucky we have the Internet.

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America used to be the great Utopia. But, little by little the liberals and socialists have infiltrated the power structure until they have had enough power to change our country into the ghetto.
I figure that I have about 30 years left and I figure that by the time our great country falls to the needy, subsidized socialists, I'll be about out of here. We had it great, and now the youth of our country are getting what they asked for, the keys to the car. How they treat that car is totally up to them. Because now that they are adults, they are responsible for all the maintenance (or lack of) and all the insurance and all the tickets they get. It's no longer up to the parents to bail them out. If they can't get it under control, then they deserve to lose everything their parents built for them. Immigrants are not the problem. Criminals and lack of enforcement is the problem. If you ask an immigrant that came in to our country legally, they will tell you that it is unfair that others get to circumvent the law and even get benefits when they do it. Like the old saying goes, the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. Have fun with your European style socialism. I am sure that America can do it much better than all those other failed countries.

By the end of [Roosevelt's] presidency, Goodwin wrote, "The society of a few haves and a multitude of have-nots had been transformed. Because of the greatest – indeed, the only – redistribution of income downward in the nation's history, a middle-class country had emerged. Half of the American people – those at the lower end of the compensation scale – had doubled their income while those in the top 20 percent had risen by little more than 50 percent. Those in the bottom half of earners had seen their share of the country's income increase by 16 percent while those at the top had lost 6 percent."

This reduced social and economic inequalities during the Roosevelt era, but these problems have recently begun to intensify again. The middle class actually got smaller between 2000 and 2013, according to a Pew Foundation study. Median income declined in most states, even though the national average for the unemployment rate dropped from 10 percent in 2009 to 5.5 percent currently. But millions of Americans are underemployed, making substantially less than they used to, or are so discouraged that they are no longer actively seeking work, which means they are not counted. Also, most Americans haven't benefited much or at all from the booming stock market.

FDR offers lessons for President Obama and the candidates who want to succeed him in 2016. "People have to trust you," Dallek says. "There's got to be credibility in what you say. Trust is absolutely essential. People have to feel you are on their side. There has to be a personal connection to you as president."

Do you feel a personal connection with any of the candidates?

Thank FDR, the socialist for what we had--mom and pop stores downtown, stay at home moms, the middle class, low tuition, unions, 40 hr work week, FDIC

the other half of the photo shows fat people outside of walmart

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Sorry but socialism is anti-American. All it does is stagnate a country. We have the worlds best model and socialists want to make it different/worst because socialists are lazy and think they deserve more than they work for.

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Sorry but socialism is anti-American. All it does is stagnate a country. We have the worlds best model and socialists want to make it different/worst because socialists are lazy and think they deserve more than they work for.
The democratic socialists are often honest about this. The current "anti-socialist" supporters of Social Security, on the other hand, are kidding themselves. And, of course, the same is true of Medicare, where claims of "paying in" are all the more absurd since Medicare recipients nowadays are likely to receive much more in benefits than they "paid in."

In America, though, where "socialism" is a bad word, this sort of thing isn't socialism, we're told. It's "compassionate conservatism" or some other term manufactured by campaign spin doctors.

sorry

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The democratic socialists are often honest about this. The current "anti-socialist" supporters of Social Security, on the other hand, are kidding themselves. And, of course, the same is true of Medicare, where claims of "paying in" are all the more absurd since Medicare recipients nowadays are likely to receive much more in benefits than they "paid in."

In America, though, where "socialism" is a bad word, this sort of thing isn't socialism, we're told. It's "compassionate conservatism" or some other term manufactured by campaign spin doctors.

sorry

Yes, the liberal mantra...."socialism is good, social security is real security. SS is good...medicare is good....socialism is good" and more hogwash.

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Yes, the liberal mantra...."socialism is good, social security is real security. SS is good...medicare is good....socialism is good" and more hogwash.Why did the middle class disappear? What's your theory? Try not to deflect or insult.

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Why did the middle class disappear? What's your theory? Try not to deflect or insult.

The middle class was making too much money, unions had gotten things so good, business couldn't afford US workers. So, they shipped the jobs overseas where they pay 1/10. Even with shipping from China, it's still cheaper to move production overseas. Americans priced themselves out of the market and corporation are greedy, that's what happened to the middle class. That and inflation. Inflation caused prices to rise so much that two incomes were needed where one used to be good enough. That's my guess...

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Why did the middle class disappear? What's your theory? Try not to deflect or insult.

That is an easy one.

Obama!

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And prior to Obama it is directly related to the millions of manufacturing jobs taken off shore.

The hundreds of thousands of companies that no longer exist as a result.

Add to the above the unfair advantage other countries have over US goods....they pay no tax or fee to ravish the American market while not allowing American products into their country or there is a major tarriff.

The USA has literally given away American manufacturing capacity for the sake of corporate profits and political BS with countries like China, Japan and too many others.

There is no mystery where the middle class went....t=their employment went off shore. It has been going on for years.

There is no politician capable of fixing it until the priority of the people is raised above corporations and foreign BS politics.

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And back to the subject of the thread..........

Liberals complain about high tuition rates and the unfortunate American children can't get a fair shake at affordable college. And then they advocate filling seats with illegal aliens. Seats that American citizens could have had. Tax paying citizens of the future, not outlaws. Way to go liberals. Way to hose up America just a little bit more. And you wonder where the middle class has gone? You screwed them over and they are having to stand in lines behind "unfortunate" criminals. I hope it is your children that have to stand in that line behind some illegal alien, waiting for an opening in the class so that they can complete their education.

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One of the problems now is with robots manufacturing changed. With robots even warehousing has changed as well as farming. So you pay workers the minimum or you automate. And if moving to Mexico is an option for a business all you need to do is drive across the border, no long distance shipping and plenty of cheap labor. They just need to fix up the roads going to the existing fence or new wall.

What can take the place of manufacturing? I don't know.
What pays a middle income salary outside of the services and health industries?
It's very frustrating and depressing to think about.

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It's because of our middle class attempt at living extravagantly. Our middle class lives far above the middle class lifestyle of other countries. Even our lower class incomes live well, and are compared to middle class in other countries. In many of the socialist countries, there is no real middle class. It is either one lower middle class or the wealthy class. No real medium class. That's because when you have socialism, you end up with only two classes, almost eliminating the middle class. They do raise the lifestyle of the lower ranks, but the upper class thrives in those countries.

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It's because of our middle class attempt at living extravagantly. Our middle class lives far above the middle class lifestyle of other countries. Even our lower class incomes live well, and are compared to middle class in other countries. In many of the socialist countries, there is no real middle class. It is either one lower middle class or the wealthy class. No real medium class. That's because when you have socialism, you end up with only two classes, almost eliminating the middle class. They do raise the lifestyle of the lower ranks, but the upper class thrives in those countries.I'd like to read more about that. Where did you get your information?

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I'd like to read more about that. Where did you get your information?

I just wrote it...:)

It's called living overseas in many different countries. Gaining living experience real-time. I've only been back in America since the end of 2008. You don't have to believe me when I say that there is NOTHING out there in any of those countries that I would trade our American standards for, to have here. We have it so great here.

Just one example of the difference is when you go through the process of obtaining a drivers license or car registration in other countries. You would not believe the bureaucracy. Ok, not related to middle class comparison.

Or, go to a supposed middle class income home and look at the lack of floor space, or maybe they only have one TV. One country I lived in, only had city water at your home for certain hours of the day. High speed internet was not a middle class necessity in some countries. They were lucky to have dial up. One country in South America had one A/C unit in the main bedroom, and that was a middle class earner with an additional side business and his wife working also. I spent plenty of time at that family's home on the weekends. Yes, they had socialized health care, if you want to call it that. My friend in Panama sent his two children to the U.S. for college even though they had finished their "free' college in their own country. It was equivalent to finishing high school here. It was like a junior college, but on a high school level.

Nope, our middle class lives VERY WELL compared to other countries. But, I will bet there will be someone on here that will dispute my comment, by telling me about some place that has some better deal. We'll see, won't we? I know that I am grateful to be here in the U.S. of A. and also to be able to afford to retire modestly.

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I just wrote it...:)

It's called living overseas in many different countries. Gaining living experience real-time. I've only been back in America since the end of 2008. You don't have to believe me when I say that there is NOTHING out there in any of those countries that I would trade our American standards for, to have here. We have it so great here.

Just one example of the difference is when you go through the process of obtaining a drivers license or car registration in other countries. You would not believe the bureaucracy. Ok, not related to middle class comparison.

Or, go to a supposed middle class income home and look at the lack of floor space, or maybe they only have one TV. One country I lived in, only had city water at your home for certain hours of the day. High speed internet was not a middle class necessity in some countries. They were lucky to have dial up. One country in South America had one A/C unit in the main bedroom, and that was a middle class earner with an additional side business and his wife working also. I spent plenty of time at that family's home on the weekends. Yes, they had socialized health care, if you want to call it that. My friend in Panama sent his two children to the U.S. for college even though they had finished their "free' college in their own country. It was equivalent to finishing high school here. It was like a junior college, but on a high school level.

Nope, our middle class lives VERY WELL compared to other countries. But, I will bet there will be someone on here that will dispute my comment, by telling me about some place that has some better deal. We'll see, won't we? I know that I am grateful to be here in the U.S. of A. and also to be able to afford to retire modestly.Thanks for sharing. Are you at liberty to say what countries you lived in?

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The middle class was making too much money, unions had gotten things so good, business couldn't afford US workers. So, they shipped the jobs overseas where they pay 1/10. Even with shipping from China, it's still cheaper to move production overseas. Americans priced themselves out of the market and corporation are greedy, that's what happened to the middle class. That and inflation. Inflation caused prices to rise so much that two incomes were needed where one used to be good enough. That's my guess...
Does this seem accurate?
Distribution of net worth in the United States (2007).[13] The net wealth of many people in the lowest 20% is negative because of debt.[13] By 2014 the wealth gap deepened.
Top 1% (34.6%)
Next 4% (27.3%)
Next 5% (11.2%)
Next 10% (12%)
Upper Middle 20% (10.9%)
Middle 20% (4%)
Bottom 40% (0.2%)

http://www.levyinstitute.org/pubs/wp_589.pdf

It's dated but the trend is not going in a better direction for the middle class.

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Does this seem accurate?
Distribution of net worth in the United States (2007).[13] The net wealth of many people in the lowest 20% is negative because of debt.[13] By 2014 the wealth gap deepened.
Top 1% (34.6%)
Next 4% (27.3%)
Next 5% (11.2%)
Next 10% (12%)
Upper Middle 20% (10.9%)
Middle 20% (4%)
Bottom 40% (0.2%)

http://www.levyinstitute.org/pubs/wp_589.pdf

It's dated but the trend is not going in a better direction for the middle class.

More and more regulation does not give much incentive to small business entrepreneurs. And the more liberal our country becomes, the more regulatory rules the small guy has to hurdle. On the other hand, in the last couple of decades we have seen an great increase in millionaires. Although, I believe that the number has fallen somewhat since 2007. You can't have an increase in employment and higher wages without demand. It's not the job of the government to regulate how much one must get paid for a specific job.

But, this has nothing to do with colleges funding illegal aliens. All I know is that many college students have complained about not being able to get a seat in a required class for the course they were taking. It is not going to sit very well with those students if now they are going to have to stand in line with illegal aliens and compete for the same seats in a class. Not to mention how much they have to spend for tuition when the gov wants to subsidize illegals. And they wonder why people are getting mad and coming out in record highs to vote for Trump. They are fed up.

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And they wonder why people are getting mad and coming out in record highs to vote for Trump. They are fed up.
I think many more then Trump voters are fed up. And in a way I can understand all the backbiting and name calling that goes on in these threads. Everybody's angry and filtering is not PC.

I'm not so sure how we got onto the middle class discussion in this thread and perhaps it needs it's own thread. This would not be the first thread that veered off topic. Most do.

I think I've stumbled upon something that is difficult appreciate until you crunch the numbers. That's why I asked for opinions.