Contaminated Golf Irrigation Water in our Pool

[junction29]

Hi,
At just after 7am this morning, TV was watering the golf course and a huge jet of water was shooting into our pool.

When we contacted TV about it at Bonifay Country Club they sent a guy, who first of all didn't believe it was watering on our property and then had the cheek to say it normally happens around midnight or one o'clock, as if, if we didn't see it, it was ok 😈😈

We have often seen moisture on our birdcage in the mornings, but just assumed it was condensation from the night air, now we realise we, our friends and relatives, including our Grandchildren have been swimming in CONTAMINATED WATER - probably for the last THREE Years - NOT Good enough!

59017

I think TV should try out their golf course sprinklers every few months during the day at a publicised time, so that everyone on a golf course can see whether their home has been polluted by this filthy water.

[HimandMe]

Yikes! I've wondered just how polluted that water is and even if it is safe for wildlife swimming in it let alone grandchildren. Keep us informed. It must be a huge oversight.

[villagetinker]

Junction29,
You might want to have your pool water tested for the level of pollution (if any), and determine what needs to be done to clean of the water if necessary. This would be beyond the normal test that the technician would do on a weekly basis. You may need to take a sample to a laboratory.

Since the irrigation water is NON potable you really have no idea what is in there. Also, I suspect the typical pool filtering system is not setup to handle this type of water.

I agree that you have a concern, and testing the pool water will give you some facts to discuss with the offender.

Hope this helps, and keep us informed on what happens.

[graciegirl]

If no one became sick and they changed the sprinkler right away then all is well. Right? Have the people swimming in your pool had skin infections, diarrhea, vomiting, eye infections over the past years?


I would call T&D and ask them if this is dangerous. If anyone knows pool biochemistry it would be them.

[junction29]

Junction29,
You might want to have your pool water tested for the level of pollution (if any), and determine what needs to be done to clean of the water if necessary. This would be beyond the normal test that the technician would do on a weekly basis. You may need to take a sample to a laboratory.

Since the irrigation water is NON potable you really have no idea what is in there. Also, I suspect the typical pool filtering system is not setup to handle this type of water.

I agree that you have a concern, and testing the pool water will give you some facts to discuss with the offender.

Hope this helps, and keep us informed on what happens.

Thank you, very good point.

We will get the water quality tested.

Update.

As we said earlier, we reported it and we are happy to give credit where it's due and they have already been, adjusted the head and switched it on to try it so that we could see the result.

It is fine now and misses our property by quite a margin.

However, the point I made in the first post is still valid.

The irrigation engineer did say to me this morning that sometime the gears shift and the head moves its direction of aim!

If the heads are active in the early hours, several or many people could be having their property and pools contaminated and no-one would know !!!!!!

That cannot be acceptable.

Where do we go and who do we see to get a system implemented that allows residents on golf courses to check that their property is not being contaminated?

[junction29]

If no one became sick and they changed the sprinkler right away then all is well. Right?


It is good to warn others that this could happen but an errant sprinkler sprinkling your yard is an advantage, just not your pool. Your own sprinklers could do that too. And south of 466 they are diverted retention pond water.

Hi Gracie,
Sorry, but I have to disagree, just because someone does not show signs of sickness does not mean they have not been infected with some slow developing problem.

I am not trying to scaremonger, but this needs addressing before it damages someone, not after.

The point you make about our own property sprinklers is, with respect, not valid either.

These golf course sprinklers emit huge amounts of water at around 100psi., which gives a far larger volume of contaminant than yourhouse sprinklers do in a very short space of time and I would be very surprised if anyone with a pool has a sprinkler head near it.

The only good point about this incident is the speed of response and solution, which was excellent.

[Walter123]

Hi,
At just after 7am this morning, TV was watering the golf course and a huge jet of water was shooting into our pool.

When we contacted TV about it at Bonifay Country Club they sent a guy, who first of all didn't believe it was watering on our property and then had the cheek to say it normally happens around midnight or one o'clock, as if, if we didn't see it, it was ok 😈😈

We have often seen moisture on our birdcage in the mornings, but just assumed it was condensation from the night air, now we realise we, our friends and relatives, including our Grandchildren have been swimming in CONTAMINATED WATER - probably for the last THREE Years - NOT Good enough!

59017

I think TV should try out their golf course sprinklers every few months during the day at a publicised time, so that everyone on a golf course can see whether their home has been polluted by this filthy water.


As another poster said have your pool water checked and I think it should be paid for by whomever is responsible. Contact a lawyer for a free consultation if necessary.

It is NOT alright that this happened and I would be as concerned as you are.

[Walter123]

If no one became sick and they changed the sprinkler right away then all is well. Right?


It is good to warn others that this could happen but an errant sprinkler sprinkling your yard is an advantage, just not your pool. Your own sprinklers could do that too. And south of 466 they are diverted retention pond water.

Are you kidding????? Unbelievable comment!!!

[skip0358]

Yea you should have your water tested to be on the safe side. You do have chemicals in it. What I see as strange we're worried about your pool water with probably over 10K gallons of water in it but yet people walk on all the grass in TV even barefooted, walk their dogs and cats on all the grass including the golf courses,let their animals drink out of the puddles along the curbs,let their grand kids play in the sand traps with their toys and not think one bit about it. FYI the sprinklers are checked on a regular basis and believe me they find a lot of issues from broken to misdirected and missing. But thanks for the warning.

[Sandtrap328]

As another poster said have your pool water checked and I think it should be paid for by whomever is responsible. Contact a lawyer for a free consultation if necessary.

It is NOT alright that this happened and I would be as concerned as you are.

Definitely, it is most important to have an independent laboratory check water samples from your pool - and quickly, too.

As for having the testing paid for by "whomever is responsible", just wait for the test results. The testing is for your peace of mind and cannot cost too much. If there is contamination shown to be of the same kind as in the irrigation water, then call an attorney.

Main thing - get the water tested quickly!

[jimbo2012]

Don't waste time or money testing water, you would need to test for a zillion contaminants.

Pump all the water out of the pool, yes I know it's big, but must be done.

Refill, do regular chemicals.

That water is the most contaminated water that can possibly be exposed to a swimming environment.

All your swimming pool filters also been to changed including any sand filters

TV must reimburse you for all expensive.

This is really bad.......

.

[kstew43]

We also have a in ground pool. We have a salt filter and have our water tested with the pool company regularly.....they tell us what the water needs..acid...ph....additional chlorine...ect.

With this information, I am attempting to hopefully calm your nerves. Supposedly the pool pump filters the water at amazing rates. Our pool is sometimes discolored and after we shock it, by the next day the water is crystal clean...

So, hopefully your pool pump acts the same and your grandchildren and yourselves are fine......but....I would still take it to a water testing company just to make sure....best of luck....

Dumping your pool is not a good idea......it has to be done by a professional since the pool can pop up/out without the water weight, plus the price of the refilling of water....?????....test the water.....first...

[jimbo2012]

I have been doing water chemistry for many years there are way too many test that are possible, and cost hundreds of dollars.

A pool company only tests very basic items none of which relate to the possible health issues in that contaminated water.

Do you know there are junk cars in that aquifer?


empty/refill/new filters ask TV to pay that and the water bill plus the pool service.

all of that would be less money than testing for everything, be mindful can any la really test for everything..............answer no.

[Retiring]

If not too much of a financial burden, empty pool, professionally clean, refill. And I would invoice somebody, but don’t know who.

[Retiring]

If no one became sick and they changed the sprinkler right away then all is well. Right?


It is good to warn others that this could happen but an errant sprinkler sprinkling your yard is an advantage, just not your pool. Your own sprinklers could do that too. And south of 466 they are diverted retention pond water.

The problem is some diseases have incubation periods of months to years. The golf course made an honest mistake, doesn’t mean there isn’t a consequence to that mistake.

[junction29]

If not too much of a financial burden, empty pool, professionally clean, refill. And I would invoice somebody, but don’t know who.

Hi everyone,

Thank you for all your advice.

I think on balance it will have to be emptied, cleaned, filters changed and refilled and I will expect TV to pay for their mistake.

On reflection I still think that my idea of regular daytime testing is necessary.

[Carl in Tampa]

If I were in your situation my first step would be to ask The Villages management what action they proposed to take to reassure me that the water in my pool was safe for human contact.

I would also want to know the source of the water used to irrigate the golf course; is it from retention ponds, or is it semi-processed "grey water?"

Before considering using the pool I would give it a chlorine shock treatment followed by testing for residual chlorine and total chlorine. More about this in a moment.

The reason for the shock treatment is that chlorine will kill the bacteria which might be in the pool. Chlorine is the chemical of choice for processing drinking water throughout our nation.

When the Southern Baptist Disaster Relief volunteers go to the sites of hurricanes, floods, or other places where the safety of the water is in question, they set up their own water filtration systems. They systems are basically physical filters for the larger material that can be filtered out with a final treatment of chlorine. I have seen this done, but have not actually taken the training.

I have extracted the following from the Oklahoma Baptist Water Purification Manual: Chlorine has been universally accepted as an excellent disinfectant by public utility authorities. Chlorine kills rather than removes bacteria. The chlorine burns the bacteria and requires a contact time to accomplish this process. Recommended chlorine injection into drinking water will range between 4 and 8 ppm, (U.S. public utility water usually has 1 to 2 ppm). Water that has been chlorinated should be allowed to sit for at least 30 minutes before being used for drinking.

The portable system uses other elements in addition to the physical filter and chlorine, but they are major elements. You can read the entire manual at http://www.okdisasterhelp.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/OK-Water-Purification-Manual-2008-03-17.pdf

Chlorine is a powerful chemical. The Centers for Disease Control says that chlorine in a swimming pool kills the HIV virus.

I mention all of this just to give you a measure of reassurance that perhaps your pool filtration system has kept you safe in the past. As Gracie pointed out, if no one has become ill, that might be an indication that the contamination has been handled.

Regarding the testing after chlorination, this is from the Manual: Chlorine has been universally accepted as an excellent disinfectant by public utility authorities. Chlorine kills rather than removes bacteria. The chlorine burns the bacteria and requires a contact time to accomplish this process. The remaining chlorine after “burning” bacteria is called “free chlorine”. When testing the output of the water purification unit, the free chlorine and total chlorine should be the same, indicating no bacteria in the water. Commercially available water quality test strips (litmus strips) are provided from swimming pool supply stores. Follow the instructions on the bottle of test strips. Test strips should be kept in their original container, which should be kept closed before and after use.

I will be interested in what assurances The Villages offers.

[Carl in Tampa]

As a brief addition to my post, you will note in the Water Purification Manual, it is considered acceptable to have a water source that is a pond covered with scum (algae), which might or might not describe the retention pond that your golf course irrigation is drawn from.

[Bogie Shooter]

Hi,
At just after 7am this morning, TV was watering the golf course and a huge jet of water was shooting into our pool.

When we contacted TV about it at Bonifay Country Club they sent a guy, who first of all didn't believe it was watering on our property and then had the cheek to say it normally happens around midnight or one o'clock, as if, if we didn't see it, it was ok 😈😈

We have often seen moisture on our birdcage in the mornings, but just assumed it was condensation from the night air, now we realise we, our friends and relatives, including our Grandchildren have been swimming in CONTAMINATED WATER - probably for the last THREE Years - NOT Good enough!

59017

I think TV should try out their golf course sprinklers every few months during the day at a publicised time, so that everyone on a golf course can see whether their home has been polluted by this filthy water.

Over this three year period, how much pool water have you and your grandchildren drank?

[gomoho]

At the risk of having my head chopped off - may I ask a question. My understanding is the golf courses are watered with water from the retention ponds throughout The Villages evidenced by the fact when flooding is a threat they run the sprinklers to lower the pond. Assuming that is the water that went into your pool - how would this be any different then swimming in a pond or lake which has no chlorine treating the water?

[Uberschaf]

I swam in lakes before,I'm still here.A small pool has about 14,000 gallons of water I doubt that maybe a gallon or two went in the pool so that leaves 13,098 gallons of clean water I don't think you would have to drain the pool.What about rain that's non potable.

[kcrazorbackfan]

If no one became sick and they changed the sprinkler right away then all is well. Right?


It is good to warn others that this could happen but an errant sprinkler sprinkling your yard is an advantage, just not your pool. Your own sprinklers could do that too. And south of 466 they are diverted retention pond water.

Before all of you yappers keep jumping on gracie girl for her comment, I believe when she asked "right"? she was doing that with sarcasm.

[graciegirl]

I thought I was the worst worrier I had ever met.

[Walter123]

Over this three year period, how much pool water have you and your grandchildren drank?

And yet another unbelievable comment.

[outlaw]

At the risk of having my head chopped off - may I ask a question. My understanding is the golf courses are watered with water from the retention ponds throughout The Villages evidenced by the fact when flooding is a threat they run the sprinklers to lower the pond. Assuming that is the water that went into your pool - how would this be any different then swimming in a pond or lake which has no chlorine treating the water?

I think the irrigation water for homes south of 466 is reclaimed/grey water versus the TV common property, which is retention pond supplied. A friend living in Buttonwood? has a filter on his irrigation water supply because it is slimy.

[flyerguy]

Hi everyone,

Thank you for all your advice.

I think on balance it will have to be emptied, cleaned, filters changed and refilled and I will expect TV to pay for their mistake.

On reflection I still think that my idea of regular daytime testing is necessary.

I believe TV management will want a sample of the water and want to know the extent of the contamination, if any, before they would authorize the costs of emptying, refilling and new filter's. So before you empty the pool, check with management to see what they might require.

[outlaw]

Before all of you yappers keep jumping on gracie girl for her comment, I believe when she asked "right"? she was doing that with sarcasm.

Wrong.

[chuckinca]

Toss a gallon of Clorox in the pool and stay out of it for a few days until you can't smell the chlorine or until your pool guy tells you the chlorine level is safe.

(that's how municipal water tanks and pipelines are decontaminated but with more or less chlorine)

.

[graciegirl]

Illness Increasing From Contaminated Swimming Water (http://www.webmd.com/news/20110922/illness-increasing-from-contaminated-swimming-water)

[bagboy]

I would ask your pool tech and the pool installer for advice as to what your options are. If they aren't sure, they can find out for you.

[junction29]

I believe TV management will want a sample of the water and want to know the extent of the contamination, if any, before they would authorize the costs of emptying, refilling and new filter's. So before you empty the pool, check with management to see what they might require.

Hi all,

Once again thank you for all your comments and to answer a few points raised.

If you look very carefully at the picture I posted, you will see that the sprinkler head is aiming DIRECTLY into our pool and as these things are like water cannons, then we are talking about a lot of gallons of water every minute that it is on!

As we are now fairly sure that this has been going on for months, if not years then collectively, we are talking hundreds if not thousands of gallons of unsafe water going into the pool, that we, family and friends use to swim in.

The normal tests that are done for normal pool checking DO NOT check for the range of contaminants that could potentially be in this water and for TV to test the water for the full range of possibilities to our satisfaction, would cost several thousands of dollars, far more expensive than emptying the water, cleaning the pool interior, changing the filters and refilling the pool, which would likely cost just a few hundred dollars.

The situation so far is that we have contacted the golf course manager, a guy named Brad, who says he has to talk to the Water Managment people and also his own Manager, before he can accept responsibility!!!!! - WHY?

Then we have had a call from the Water Managment Company, a guy called Tye, who admits that HE would not drink the water from the sprinkler heads- so is it safe in our pool or what????? - but he was evasive and would not commit himself and agree that the water may/does need changing.

Our pool was filled and is topped up with potable drinking water and obviously with rain water, but even the rain water volume pales into insignificance to the amount of contaminated water that the golf course water cannon sprinkler head has been pumping into our pool every three nights for goodness knows how long - not happy.

Does anyone have Dan Newlans telephone number?

[graciegirl]

I would ask your pool tech and the pool installer for advice as to what your options are. If they aren't sure, they can find out for you.



Also your doctor. And your grandchildren's pediatrician.

Call the board of health and ask them;Florida Department of Health in Sumter (http://sumter.floridahealth.gov/index.html)

[junction29]

Illness Increasing From Contaminated Swimming Water (http://www.webmd.com/news/20110922/illness-increasing-from-contaminated-swimming-water)


Thank Gracie,
A rather frightening article.

[jimbo2012]

Regarding the testing after chlorination, this is from the Manual: Chlorine has been universally accepted as an excellent disinfectant by public utility authorities. Chlorine kills rather than removes bacteria. The chlorine burns the bacteria and requires a contact time to accomplish this process. The remaining chlorine after “burning” bacteria is called “free chlorine”. When testing the output of the water purification unit, the free chlorine and total chlorine should be the same, indicating no bacteria in the water. Commercially available water quality test strips (litmus strips) are provided from swimming pool supply stores.

Chlorine is not 100% on all bacteria or viruses, for example, the USDA will not approve it's use in animal disinfection situations.

They require the use of a product called One Stroke, made in Vineland NJ.

The only way the homeowner can sleep well is not add chemicals to treat unknown contaminants, it is just to simple to drain scrub and fill.

short of doing that, they will not rest easy, and TV must pickup the bill.

[graciegirl]

I am almost 76, taught school for decades and have lived in this world and worried myself sick about my family's health. I don't think if you and the kids haven't been sick that any thing bad will now happen. I would call TandD, Call your Doctor and see him if necessary, Call the board of health, even call The CDC, and if it will make you feel like you are doing everything, hire a lawyer.


But I am thinking that the pool chemical measures were adequate to defeat the dirty water. And your immune systems were adequate to defeat the dirty water.


I also believe that all over The Villages there are cases right now of homeowners own errant sprinklers watering the pools here and the homeowners are not aware of it. It is the same water that the golf courses use south of 466. I know you are upset. I think that this will be alright. I am so sorry you are worried. I truly understand.

[rubicon]

OMG OMG four years ago I was on about to walk on the practice green at Truman when suddenly an irrigation head arose as I walked over the fringe of the green soaking me from head to toe. A new golf outfit to boot.

I did not give it any concern except for playing the round wet. But in the next few weeks I noticed I was getting shorter and wider and my skin was getting blotchy and my finger nails begin to grow at a rapid pace and my hair began falling out and suddenly I had an urge to bite other human beings but I couldn't catch them because my right leg dragged behind my left slowing me down . Then I got such a thirst for pond water and found myself wandering down to our pond and lapping that water up with my tongue:D

I truly understand your concern and your being upset its legit. Save some water for testing to satisfy your concerns, drain the pool, clean it, refill it, and enjoy the weather .

Personal Best Regards:

[Nucky]

Holy Mackerel. I drank out of a hose near a pickleball court a year ago. Should I lawyer up? :1rotfl:

[Bogie Shooter]

And yet another unbelievable comment.

Don't you think exposure is part of the analysis..........of the sky falling?

[Bogie Shooter]

Hi all,

Once again thank you for all your comments and to answer a few points raised.

If you look very carefully at the picture I posted, you will see that the sprinkler head is aiming DIRECTLY into our pool and as these things are like water cannons, then we are talking about a lot of gallons of water every minute that it is on!

As we are now fairly sure that this has been going on for months, if not years then collectively, we are talking hundreds if not thousands of gallons of unsafe water going into the pool, that we, family and friends use to swim in.

The normal tests that are done for normal pool checking DO NOT check for the range of contaminants that could potentially be in this water and for TV to test the water for the full range of possibilities to our satisfaction, would cost several thousands of dollars, far more expensive than emptying the water, cleaning the pool interior, changing the filters and refilling the pool, which would likely cost just a few hundred dollars.

The situation so far is that we have contacted the golf course manager, a guy named Brad, who says he has to talk to the Water Managment people and also his own Manager, before he can accept responsibility!!!!! - WHY?

Then we have had a call from the Water Managment Company, a guy called Tye, who admits that HE would not drink the water from the sprinkler heads- so is it safe in our pool or what????? - but he was evasive and would not commit himself and agree that the water may/does need changing.

Our pool was filled and is topped up with potable drinking water and obviously with rain water, but even the rain water volume pales into insignificance to the amount of contaminated water that the golf course water cannon sprinkler head has been pumping into our pool every three nights for goodness knows how long - not happy.

Does anyone have Dan Newlans telephone number?
Who is Dan Newlans?

[CWGUY]

Who is Dan Newlans?

Dan Newlin and Partners - Injury Attorneys (http://www.newlinlaw.com/our-attorneys/) :shrug:


Which brings up the question - Why don't snakes bite lawyers?


Answer - Professional courtesy!

[dbussone]

OMG OMG four years ago I was on about to walk on the practice green at Truman when suddenly an irrigation head arose as I walked over the fringe of the green soaking me from head to toe. A new golf outfit to boot.

I did not give it any concern except for playing the round wet. But in the next few weeks I noticed I was getting shorter and wider and my skin was getting blotchy and my finger nails begin to grow at a rapid pace and my hair began falling out and suddenly I had an urge to bite other human beings but I couldn't catch them because my right leg dragged behind my left slowing me down . Then I got such a thirst for pond water and found myself wandering down to our pond and lapping that water up with my tongue:D

I truly understand your concern and your being upset its legit. Save some water for testing to satisfy your concerns, drain the pool, clean it, refill it, and enjoy the weather .

Personal Best Regards:

You too? Only my transformations occur during a "fool" moon

[kstew43]

Holy Mackerel. I drank out of a hose near a pickleball court a year ago. Should I lawyer up? :1rotfl:

I was going to say that same thing....

anyway....we spent many years i Connecticut...closing the pool every winter. when we uncovered it in the spring...it was sickning gross scummy green mess and the smell...........but shock and other chemicals and a week or so its crystal clean....

Just saying......I dont think the TV will pick up any of the fees you are going to recieve if you dump the pool and refill..... I think your going to have to hire a lawyer and try to sue,

We did a diamond bright renew on our 15 year old pool and the cost was over $3k. most was the hookups and pumps to empty the pool to keep it from popping out of the ground and the acid wash.

Tread slowly and watch your checkbook....
Get a pool guy or store to advise you.....

also our old community had to close the pool and shock it lots due to children pooping in the pool.....never did they ever empty it...

[dbussone]

I was going to say that same thing....

anyway....we spent many years i Connecticut...closing the pool every winter. when we uncovered it in the spring...it was sickning gross scummy green mess and the smell...........but shock and other chemicals and a week or so its crystal clean....

Just saying......I dont think the TV will pick up any of the fees you are going to recieve if you dump the pool and refill..... I think your going to have to hire a lawyer and try to sue,

We did a diamond bright renew on our 15 year old pool and the cost was over $3k. most was the hookups and pumps to empty the pool to keep it from popping out of the ground and the acid wash.

Tread slowly and watch your checkbook....
Get a pool guy or store to advise you.....

also our old community had to close the pool and shock it lots due to children pooping in the pool.....never did they ever empty it...



I'm hoping the poop issue in TV is limited to dogs rather than adult pools. We already have plenty of threads about dogs.

[kcrazorbackfan]

I'm hoping the poop issue in TV is limited to dogs rather than adult pools. We already have plenty of threads about dogs.

.......and here we go. :boom:

[kittygilchrist]

Hi,
At just after 7am this morning, TV was watering the golf course and a huge jet of water was shooting into our pool.

When we contacted TV about it at Bonifay Country Club they sent a guy, who first of all didn't believe it was watering on our property and then had the cheek to say it normally happens around midnight or one o'clock, as if, if we didn't see it, it was ok ����

We have often seen moisture on our birdcage in the mornings, but just assumed it was condensation from the night air, now we realise we, our friends and relatives, including our Grandchildren have been swimming in CONTAMINATED WATER - probably for the last THREE Years - NOT Good enough!

59017

I think TV should try out their golf course sprinklers every few months during the day at a publicised time, so that everyone on a golf course can see whether their home has been polluted by this filthy water.

I have called bonifay when a nasty wind blew their sprinkler water all over the course lanais east of amherst all the way to furniture.
They quickly shut them off. Also called when a sprinker was penetrating my screen. Got good response both times.
Maybe they are scared of me?

Seriously know it is infuriating to have funky water shooting in the pool, hopefully your chemicals kept you all safe. They can give you a watering schedule, but mostly seem to be on around midnight. When they plant new grass they come on irregularly and oftener.

[Bogie Shooter]

Dan Newlin and Partners - Injury Attorneys (http://www.newlinlaw.com/our-attorneys/) :shrug:


Which brings up the question - Why don't snakes bite lawyers?


Answer - Professional courtesy!

Oh, I forgot. He's the guy who always says it is an honor "to take your money".

[Chi-Town]

Hi all,

Once again thank you for all your comments and to answer a few points raised.

If you look very carefully at the picture I posted, you will see that the sprinkler head is aiming DIRECTLY into our pool and as these things are like water cannons, then we are talking about a lot of gallons of water every minute that it is on!

As we are now fairly sure that this has been going on for months, if not years then collectively, we are talking hundreds if not thousands of gallons of unsafe water going into the pool, that we, family and friends use to swim in.

The normal tests that are done for normal pool checking DO NOT check for the range of contaminants that could potentially be in this water and for TV to test the water for the full range of possibilities to our satisfaction, would cost several thousands of dollars, far more expensive than emptying the water, cleaning the pool interior, changing the filters and refilling the pool, which would likely cost just a few hundred dollars.

The situation so far is that we have contacted the golf course manager, a guy named Brad, who says he has to talk to the Water Managment people and also his own Manager, before he can accept responsibility!!!!! - WHY?

Then we have had a call from the Water Managment Company, a guy called Tye, who admits that HE would not drink the water from the sprinkler heads- so is it safe in our pool or what????? - but he was evasive and would not commit himself and agree that the water may/does need changing.

Our pool was filled and is topped up with potable drinking water and obviously with rain water, but even the rain water volume pales into insignificance to the amount of contaminated water that the golf course water cannon sprinkler head has been pumping into our pool every three nights for goodness knows how long - not happy.

Does anyone have Dan Newlans telephone number?

Did you ever wonder why you never had to add water to your pool during dry periods?

[dbussone]

.......and here we go. :boom:



Yes. KC, this thread is in serious need of a course correction. ::jester::

[rubicon]

Let's face it the attraction to TOTV is the drama...its so Shakespearian .

I'd like a read on that putt OK "To Be Or Not To Be" How about "Truth, You Can't Handle The Truth"..."Frankly, My Dear, I Don't Give A Damn" Hold the applause for the end....I get up too early:posting:

[jimbo2012]

Not sure why you folks are joking around, the man came here with a serious issue to his family.

If you can't add anything constructive...............................

[Chatbrat]

Before you call any lawyer--you better have damages---no damages no $$$$--spending $$$ to alleviate suspected damages, is not damages---also you must give the person you are potentially suing , the ability to remedy

[Walter123]

Not sure why you folks are joking around, the man came here with a serious issue to his family.



Aw, come on Jim.....you know why. It's to divert attention from the couple of posters that added callous, uncalled for, heartless remarks.

Personally, I would go with Morgan and Morgan if it came to that.

[gomoho]

I still don't understand. If you believe it has been going on for months, and you've been using the pool, and no one is sick why the panic?

[jimbo2012]

Do all illness appear immediately?

No some take months to manifest themselves.


Did you read the water dept refused to drink the water from the sprinkler???????

[dbussone]

Do all illness appear immediately?

No some take months to manifest themselves.


Did you read the water dept refused to drink the water from the sprinkler???????

Who wouldn't refuse? It's not potable water.

[jimbo2012]

That's the whole point, non potable water was added to a pool that is or was potable.

that's called contamination, he should be returned to status quo at expense of TV.

I think that's all he's looking for.

[Jimmydoodlebug]

Just shock your pool. It needs to be done occasionally anyway, even if you have a saltwater chlorinator.

[Lovey2]

Not sure why you folks are joking around, the man came here with a serious issue to his family.

If you can't add anything constructive...............................

Actually the joking around part isn't SOOOO bad. It's the people who get on here and try to make the poster feel small for having an issue, or, heaven forbid, can't admit The Villages may be doing something WR**G (dirty words, I know). Then the followers get on when they perceive a pooh pooh-er is being rebuked. If you wanna joke, joke...but if your only purpose is to pooh-pooh someone elses concern because it doesn't affect you, just refrain from posting. You can just read it, shake your head, and move along. Try it....
(Like maybe I should have here, but I feel so bad for the poster. We had reclaimed, or whatever you wanna call it, water where I came from, and we were advised by the city NOT to use it in our pools! If I were the poster I'd be upset, too.)

[biker1]

The OP would be well advised to talk to a professional, perhaps somebody in public health.

Before you call any lawyer--you better have damages---no damages no $$$$--spending $$$ to alleviate suspected damages, is not damages---also you must give the person you are potentially suing , the ability to remedy

[graciegirl]

Actually the joking around part isn't SOOOO bad. It's the people who get on here and try to make the poster feel small for having an issue, or, heaven forbid, can't admit The Villages may be doing something WR**G (dirty words, I know). Then the followers get on when they perceive a pooh pooh-er is being rebuked. If you wanna joke, joke...but if your only purpose is to pooh-pooh someone elses concern because it doesn't affect you, just refrain from posting. You can just read it, shake your head, and move along. Try it....
(Like maybe I should have here, but I feel so bad for the poster. We had reclaimed or whatever you wanna call it water where I came from, and we were advised by the city NOT to use it in our pools!)



You may look at it like that, but many posts get everyone frightened and worried and sometimes that is unnecessary. The Villages have the money to rectify almost anything, but is it necessary here or right or fair? Of course you wouldn't want to fill your pool with reclaimed water, it isn't sanitary, but most of us, feeling bad for the poster were trying to point out that the very system to keep the water safe probably did so. Some folks have a lot of knowledge but not the right kind. Some folks like to sue. My experience with friends who did sue over something like this is that the lawyers went home with the money..


If I were in the OP's position I would call TandD. I feel assured that the money we pay to have the pool checked and cleaned and tested every week is doing the job to keep it swimmable and safe all of the time. I trust in this company because that is what they do for a living, build and maintain pools. And arguably they have built and do maintain more swimming pools than any other company in this country.


I would start there. If the OP had carefully read the article I linked on Swimming pool illnesses increasing, he would have seen some reassuring stuff.


I feel sorry for him. I am a big worrier myself. I almost always go back to the scientific method and I would start with the people who have the information. Pool people and my doctors.

[junction29]

Hi all,

We have just had a meeting with a gentleman called Todd the Golf Operations Manager and he has agreed to pick up the whole cost of draining the pool, changing the filters, cleaning the pool sides and refilling with water.

So well done to TV for not only responding quickly to our complaint and repairing the faulty head, but also for quickly standing up and taking responsibility and paying for putting it right.

Since my earlier comments about running during day times occasionally, now I know more about how the system operates I have changed my mind.

What I think should happen is that ALL water cannon heads boardering people's property should be operated around 7pm during the 4 winter months, 8pm during Spring and Fall and 9pm during the 4 Summer months.

This sounds complicated, but all these sprinkler systems are Computer controlled and modifying the program to achieve this would be very easy and cheap to implement.

This means that they will be going off behind the last golf round, but more importantly, that the people with the most interest in ensuring these sprinkler heads are operating correctly, the householders, would be able to monitor operation and notify TV of any problems.

I will be writing to TV with this idea and encouraging them to adopt it.

Having sprinklers going off in the middle of the night with no-one watching them is not acceptable and nor is doing nothing until someone is made ill by contact with contaminated water.

Thank you to all of you who responded seriously and as far as I am concerned this thread is now closed.

[graciegirl]

Hi all,

We have just had a meeting with a gentleman called Todd the Golf Operations Manager and he has agreed to pick up the whole cost of draining the pool, changing the filters, cleaning the pool sides and refilling with water.

So well done to TV for not only responding quickly to our complaint and repairing the faulty head, but also for quickly standing up and taking responsibility and paying for putting it right.

Since my earlier comments about running during day times occasionally, now I know more about how the system operates I have changed my mind.

What I think should happen is that ALL water cannon heads boardering people's property should be operated around 7pm during the 4 winter months, 8pm during Spring and Fall and 9pm during the 4 Summer months.

This sounds complicated, but all these sprinkler systems are Computer controlled and modifying the program to achieve this would be very easy and cheap to implement.

This means that they will be going off behind the last golf round, but more importantly, that the people with the most interest in ensuring these sprinkler heads are operating correctly, the householders, would be able to monitor operation and notify TV of any problems.

I will be writing to TV with this idea and encouraging them to adopt it.

Having sprinklers going off in the middle of the night with no-one watching them is not acceptable and nor is doing nothing until someone is made ill by contact with contaminated water.

Thank you to all of you who responded seriously and as far as I am concerned this thread is now closed.





Thank you. I am sure that like me, many are relieved. Feel this hug.

[Lovey2]

Smh

[Walter123]

Actually the joking around part isn't SOOOO bad. It's the people who get on here and try to make the poster feel small for having an issue, or, heaven forbid, can't admit The Villages may be doing something WR**G (dirty words, I know). Then the followers get on when they perceive a pooh pooh-er is being rebuked. If you wanna joke, joke...but if your only purpose is to pooh-pooh someone elses concern because it doesn't affect you, just refrain from posting. You can just read it, shake your head, and move along. Try it....
(Like maybe I should have here, but I feel so bad for the poster. We had reclaimed, or whatever you wanna call it, water where I came from, and we were advised by the city NOT to use it in our pools! If I were the poster I'd be upset, too.)

Very good post and, more diplomatic than I could have put it!

[Bogie Shooter]

Hi all,

We have just had a meeting with a gentleman called Todd the Golf Operations Manager and he has agreed to pick up the whole cost of draining the pool, changing the filters, cleaning the pool sides and refilling with water.

So well done to TV for not only responding quickly to our complaint and repairing the faulty head, but also for quickly standing up and taking responsibility and paying for putting it right.

Since my earlier comments about running during day times occasionally, now I know more about how the system operates I have changed my mind.

What I think should happen is that ALL water cannon heads boardering people's property should be operated around 7pm during the 4 winter months, 8pm during Spring and Fall and 9pm during the 4 Summer months.

This sounds complicated, but all these sprinkler systems are Computer controlled and modifying the program to achieve this would be very easy and cheap to implement.

This means that they will be going off behind the last golf round, but more importantly, that the people with the most interest in ensuring these sprinkler heads are operating correctly, the householders, would be able to monitor operation and notify TV of any problems.

I will be writing to TV with this idea and encouraging them to adopt it.

Having sprinklers going off in the middle of the night with no-one watching them is not acceptable and nor is doing nothing until someone is made ill by contact with contaminated water.

Thank you to all of you who responded seriously and as far as I am concerned this thread is now closed.

I am glad your problem is solved.
I just wonder if all the comments you have made about the staff at the golf course and the water department were really necessary to be posted. You had a problem you contacted them and they indicated a decision could not be made with out checking ( you didn't indicate you were told no). Then you post on here they are incompetent.
After a short time they have fully accommodated your concerns.
Advising other homeowners about the potential problem is noble on your part, however, all the other accusations were unnecessary.

[kcrazorbackfan]

See. All it took was a few phone calls and golf operations stepped up to the plate and is going to cover the expenses. For some of you, if there isn't instant gratification, all you want to do is become litigious - call Dan Newlin, call Morgan and Morgan; sue whomever you can for everything they've got. Instead of getting it worked out the RIGHT way, like the OP did - SUE, SUE, SUE. For those of you with a lawyer on speed dial, karma can be a bitch.

[CWGUY]

Hi all,

We have just had a meeting with a gentleman called Todd the Golf Operations Manager and he has agreed to pick up the whole cost of draining the pool, changing the filters, cleaning the pool sides and refilling with water.

So well done to TV for not only responding quickly to our complaint and repairing the faulty head, but also for quickly standing up and taking responsibility and paying for putting it right.

Since my earlier comments about running during day times occasionally, now I know more about how the system operates I have changed my mind.

What I think should happen is that ALL water cannon heads boardering people's property should be operated around 7pm during the 4 winter months, 8pm during Spring and Fall and 9pm during the 4 Summer months.

This sounds complicated, but all these sprinkler systems are Computer controlled and modifying the program to achieve this would be very easy and cheap to implement.

This means that they will be going off behind the last golf round, but more importantly, that the people with the most interest in ensuring these sprinkler heads are operating correctly, the householders, would be able to monitor operation and notify TV of any problems.

I will be writing to TV with this idea and encouraging them to adopt it.

Having sprinklers going off in the middle of the night with no-one watching them is not acceptable and nor is doing nothing until someone is made ill by contact with contaminated water.

Thank you to all of you who responded seriously and as far as I am concerned this thread is now closed.

:read: https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/best-time-day-water-189268/

[Lovey2]

Wowee! Relentless! The poster said nothing about people being incompetent nor did I read any accusations. They just posted what happened and how they felt about it. The OP was also very kind to those of you that tried to make them feel foolish for having what they felt was a legitimate concern. Cripes...try to be as forgiving to the homeowner as a lot of you are to "The Villages" when things go wrong.

[graciegirl]

Smh







Say what is on your mind. Everyone else does. I think that things worked out well, don't you? People responded according to their beliefs and their personalities. Frequent posters were themselves. That is all anybody can be.


We can't always agree on here, but it doesn't take long to know who is fake, who is mean, who is good natured, who is always looking to "get" someone. I have changed MY mind many times due to these open discussions and not all of us have all of the answers. I enjoy reading things here and responding. Some people never respond and some people are always negative and some are always positive but some are true thinkers with kind hearts. I can't name all of them but I would start out with DBussone, and Rubicon and Bogie Shooter who are always dependable, have common sense and a helpful attitude..


I am often wrong and publicly humiliate myself. That is o.k. I enjoy the discussion.

[Bogie Shooter]

Wowee! Relentless! The poster said nothing about people being incompetent nor did I read any accusations. They just posted what happened and how they felt about it. The OP was also very kind to those of you that tried to make them feel foolish for having what they felt was a legitimate concern. Cripes...try to be as forgiving to the homeowner as a lot of you are to "The Villages" when things go wrong.

Since you obviously directed this post to me, I will respond, a little.
I am not going to take the time to point out where you are wrong....just go back and reread all of the OP posts.
It is my opinion that posting all of the dirty laundry was unnecessary, and given some time those responsible did react favorably to OP concerns. A more reasonable post might have been when the issues was resolved and alerting other golf course homeowners with pools of the potential of irrigation water entering their pools.
I retain the right to post...................

[mulligan]

Hey Admin. Close this one It's gonna get ugly

[photo1902]

:BigApplause:Holy Mackerel. I drank out of a hose near a pickleball court a year ago. Should I lawyer up? :1rotfl:

[Walter123]

Hey Admin. Close this one It's gonna get ugly

Gonna????? It got ugly a while ago thanks to ....... and .......

[Nucky]

I'm happy everything turned out properly for you. The people in charge took the bull by the horns. Very Refreshing. Sounded like Boca Del Vista before we learned of the resolution. Carry on.:duck:

[graciegirl]

Are you kidding????? Unbelievable comment!!!



Yes. I stand by what I said. There were several issues here.


Whether the water that came into to pool was dangerous enough to cause illness. That still hasn't been resolved.


How long had the sprinkler head been broken.
We still don't know.


Who to call and in that I think the OP got a lot of useful advice.


Now we know that the error was immediately corrected and we know that The Villages are not in this instance greedy bastards.


It may be more dangerous to swim in a community family pool than to have reclaimed water come into your pool. We may never know. But everyone acted predictably just like themselves.

[Nucky]

Yes. I stand by what I said. There were several issues here.


Whether the water that came into to pool was dangerous enough to cause illness. That still hasn't been resolved.


How long had the sprinkler head been broken.
We still don't know.


Who to call and in that I think the OP got a lot of useful advice.


Now we know that the error was immediately corrected and we know that The Villages are not in this instance greedy bastards.


It may be more dangerous to swim in a family pool than to have reclaimed water come into your pool. We may never know. But everyone acted predictably just like themselves.

I would check the water if I was you but before that is completed my gut feeling about this situation is that everyone who swam in the funky water will be fine but why not cross the I' s & cross the T 's. The representative who will remedy the situation is a credit to TV and this is a forum for the give and take of opinion's. In 99.8% of the cases my views align with many great people and Mrs. Gracie is at the top of the list. She has comforted me & my family publically and privately many times and she doesn't have a mean streak like many of us do. Living there for a long time you become learned about the going's on and the lay of the land. There are several people who know how things work and which way the pendulum will swing on an issue they have lived here a long time and have been involved. I for one respect Mrs. Gracies opinion greatly and am grateful to call her our friend.:popcorn:

[flyerguy]

Hi all,

We have just had a meeting with a gentleman called Todd the Golf Operations Manager and he has agreed to pick up the whole cost of draining the pool, changing the filters, cleaning the pool sides and refilling with water.

So well done to TV for not only responding quickly to our complaint and repairing the faulty head, but also for quickly standing up and taking responsibility and paying for putting it right.

Since my earlier comments about running during day times occasionally, now I know more about how the system operates I have changed my mind.

What I think should happen is that ALL water cannon heads boardering people's property should be operated around 7pm during the 4 winter months, 8pm during Spring and Fall and 9pm during the 4 Summer months.

This sounds complicated, but all these sprinkler systems are Computer controlled and modifying the program to achieve this would be very easy and cheap to implement.

This means that they will be going off behind the last golf round, but more importantly, that the people with the most interest in ensuring these sprinkler heads are operating correctly, the householders, would be able to monitor operation and notify TV of any problems.

I will be writing to TV with this idea and encouraging them to adopt it.

Having sprinklers going off in the middle of the night with no-one watching them is not acceptable and nor is doing nothing until someone is made ill by contact with contaminated water.

Thank you to all of you who responded seriously and as far as I am concerned this thread is now closed.

Amen! Glad it all worked out for you.

[Walter123]

Yes. I stand by what I said. There were several issues here.


Whether the water that came into to pool was dangerous enough to cause illness. That still hasn't been resolved.


How long had the sprinkler head been broken.
We still don't know.


Who to call and in that I think the OP got a lot of useful advice.


Now we know that the error was immediately corrected and we know that The Villages are not in this instance greedy bastards.


It may be more dangerous to swim in a family pool than to have reclaimed water come into your pool. We may never know. But everyone acted predictably just like themselves.

Yadda, Yadda, Yadda :throwtomatoes:

As George Burns used to say......"say goodnight Gracie"