Villages Guest issued Passes Soars in March

[Bogie Shooter]

In case you missed it, the Daily Sun compared guest passes issued in 2015 to 2016.
January (2015) 23427 (2016) 22548
February 32785 36900
March 49369 51362

[villagerjack]

And your point is?

[graciegirl]

Well that is why we had so many folks ahead of us in line and clogging the streets. Yesterday I saw something that I have never seen before here in The Villages. On 466 cars in the middle of the intersection at Buena Vista blocking a green light. Just like Orlando. Booo.


It was nice of you to visit y'all. Now go home.

[Bogie Shooter]

And your point is?

I was just giving this information to those who don't get the DS, seasonal folks and those unfamiliar to The Villages. I thought it was interesting and was new to me....and maybe others.
Why do you ask? Or better still what is your point?

[villagerjack]

Well that is why we had so many folks ahead of us in line and clogging the streets. Yesterday I saw something that I have never seen before here in The Villages. On 466 cars in the middle of the intersection at Buena Vista blocking a green light. Just like:welcome: Orlando. Booo.


It was nice of you to visit y'all. Now go home.

I believe that comment is uncalled for and very surprising coming from Graciegirl. As The Villages grows so will the number of residents and families who visit them. Frankly I love to see all the visitors especially the children having fun in The Villages. And I am sure you do too. :welcome:

[villagerjack]

I was just giving this information to those who don't get the DS, seasonal folks and those unfamiliar to The Villages. I thought it was interesting and was new to me....and maybe others.
Why do you ask? Or better still what is your point?

No offense. As the Villages grows so will the number of families and children who visit. All support the local businesses so we can have these businesses open all year long. It will be up again next year if we are all still lucky enough to be here.

[dewilson58]

In case you missed it, the Daily Sun compared guest passes issued in 2015 to 2016.
January (2015) 23427 (2016) 22548
February 32785 36900
March 49369 51362

B
Educate me...............does this include renters??.........or just guests.
Thanx
dew

[Bonny]

I for one love the snowbirds and renters. Without them we would not have the stores & restaurants that we have here. They spend a lot of money while they are here so businesses, restaurants & wait staff can make some good money.
Also, keep in mind that almost all places around the world deal with seasonal people.
We are going to St, Maarten in May for 3 weeks. We always take our big vacations in May because every where is coming out of high season. May is always perfect. Not too busy, but not too dead.
They will all be gone soon and we will have it all to ourselves til next season. :D

[villagerjack]

I heard that next year everyone who rents will have to wear a big red R on their back so we can easily identify them. This will be on a trial basis until we figure out why we really want to do this in the first place. This action, of course will confuse all those folks from NJ will will be wondering why we have so many Rutgers Fans in The Villages.

[Kirsten Lee]

I suspect guest passes will be down in April 2016 this year compared to last year. Why? Easter was in April last year and in March this year.

[Bogie Shooter]

B
Educate me...............does this include renters??.........or just guests.
Thanx
dew

The article indicated guest ID's.

[dewilson58]

50,000 in March, that's a nice sized city.

:clap2:

[Quietman]

I was surprised at the attacks on the OP and Gracie for just giving out interesting stats. What's going on?

[dewilson58]

I was surprised at the attacks on the OP and Gracie for just giving out interesting stats. What's going on?

Unfortunately, it happens..............happens too much.

[yabbadu]

I for one love the snowbirds and renters. Without them we would not have the stores & restaurants that we have here. They spend a lot of money while they are here so businesses, restaurants & wait staff can make some good money.
Also, keep in mind that almost all places around the world deal with seasonal people.
We are going to St, Maarten in May for 3 weeks. We always take our big vacations in May because every where is coming out of high season. May is always perfect. Not too busy, but not too dead.
They will all be gone soon and we will have it all to ourselves til next season. :D

Agree....:BigApplause:

Yea..MSU....:clap2:

[villagerjack]

I was surprised at the attacks on the OP and Gracie for just giving out interesting stats. What's going on?

Can you point out the "attacks" so appropriate comments can be made?

[villagerjack]

Unfortunately, it happens..............happens too much.

What happens too much?

[joldnol]

not surprising, it's called spring break. As the population continues to grow so will the spring break visitors.

[graciegirl]

I suspect guest passes will be down in April 2016 this year compared to last year. Why? Easter was in April last year and in March this year.



You are probably correct. I got a couple of PMs from some folks on the forum who wanted to know why I was grumpy.


I love the visitors but I also love having this place to ourselves.

[joldnol]

especially now before the weather gets worse

[plrbr1120]

Interesting information. Thanks for sharing.

[villagerjack]

I for one love the snowbirds and renters. Without them we would not have the stores & restaurants that we have here. They spend a lot of money while they are here so businesses, restaurants & wait staff can make some good money.
Also, keep in mind that almost all places around the world deal with seasonal people.
We are going to St, Maarten in May for 3 weeks. We always take our big vacations in May because every where is coming out of high season. May is always perfect. Not too busy, but not too dead.
They will all be gone soon and we will have it all to ourselves til next season. :D


What about their good looks and personalities? Just kidding Bonnie, you are right on. And we cannot forget that Seasonal residents pay Anenity Fees all year long, without which we would not have half the amenities we all enjoy in this wonderful place. I am happy that I have lived another year to enjoy the fun and witness the fun others are having in The Villages. Now if we could just keep those pesky permanent residents off 466? Can't they see that the seasonal residents want to get by?:1rotfl::1rotfl::clap2::1rotfl:

[Bonny]

What about their good looks and personalities? Just kidding Bonnie, you are right on. And we cannot forget that Seasonal residents pay Anenity Fees all year long, without which we would not have half the amenities we all enjoy in this wonderful place. I am happy that I have lived another year to enjoy the fun and witness the fun others are having in The Villages. Now if we could just keep those pesky permanent residents off 466? Can't they see that the seasonal residents want to get by?:1rotfl::1rotfl::clap2::1rotfl:
LOL :clap2:

[villagerjack]

You are probably correct. I got a couple of PMs from some folks on the forum who wanted to know why I was grumpy.


I love the visitors but I also love having this place to ourselves.

How does one become a member of "ourselves"? Is there a club and if so what kind of credentials does one have to show? Would a deed to a home be sufficient?

[Rango]

And your point is?

I think the point is that snow birds are not the only cause of traffic etc in The Villages.

[villagerjack]

Exactly. Permanent residents also use their cars.

[kansasr]

In case you missed it, the Daily Sun compared guest passes issued in 2015 to 2016.
January (2015) 23427 (2016) 22548
February 32785 36900
March 49369 51362

I really wouldn't consider a 4% increase to be a soaring increase!

[OBXNana]

I find stats interesting. Bogie, please keep them coming for those of us that find there is more to the forum than complaining.

[CFrance]

How does one become a member of "ourselves"? Is there a club and if so what kind of credentials does one have to show? Would a deed to a home be sufficient?
I think by "ourselves," Gracie is referirng to permanent residents. And I don't think she is intending any kind of slam on non-permanent residents. As far as traffic and crowded-ness is concerned, it just is what it is. No judgements.

[graciegirl]

I think by "ourselves," Gracie is referirng to permanent residents. And I don't think she is intending any kind of slam on non-permanent residents. As far as traffic and crowded-ness is concerned, it just is what it is. No judgements.



C is right. It is fun and exciting to be at full capacity and good and nice too to have less of crowds and traffic. It is a cycle. We were snowbirds and became frogs and then we will perhaps leave for the village of Heavenly. Then more snowbirds will come and the old snowbirds will become frogs except for folks like our beloved Barefoot who goes home to Canada. And on and on. There are few folks who don't love company and then enjoy the peace of not having to be so busy.


No offense meant. I wasn't trying to be mean. If any of you go from being a snowbird or a snowflake or a fruit fly to being a frog, then you will see the delight the whole year brings.

[T-325]

I was thinking that these guest passes may have actually been for guests... not renters. My guess is new owners have many guests over the course of the year, especially the first few as their family and friends want to see where they have settled in retirement. This is not a linear relationship with the number of new homes being built and more a function of demographics.

With all the baby boomers just starting to retire I would think the number of passes used for this purpose will go up significantly.

[asianthree]

We are not contributing to numbers in January, February, March or April. Boys come in May, no kids in tow. How do the guest pass numbers look in summer?

[rubicon]

In the event it escaped some the marketing from The Villages has and continues to depict idyllic retirement living worthy of a millionaire and on retirement savings.

How any one can celebrate a departure from that implied promise is surprising. Perhaps overcrowded streets, multi-modal paths, restaurants, stores, golf courses etc is someone's idea of a good time but to me there is this thing called over saturation. Beauty is indeed in the eye of the beholder and many of us left congested cities for a more relax life style but for the previous four or five month I was just not feeling the love.

As to the economic benefit I do understand but The Villages and surrounding area has grown so much I suspect the year around population would sufficiently support the business community without many businesses missing a beat. And as to your personal investment does all of this add or subtract from it?

The saddest aspect of all is that build out continues ad nauseam

Cést la vie

[Bonny]

In the event it escaped some the marketing from The Villages has and continues to depict idyllic retirement living worthy of a millionaire and on retirement savings.

How any one can celebrate a departure from that implied promise is surprising. Perhaps overcrowded streets, multi-modal paths, restaurants, stores, golf courses etc is someone's idea of a good time but to me there is this thing called over saturation. Beauty is indeed in the eye of the beholder and many of us left congested cities for a more relax life style but for the previous four or five month I was just not feeling the love.

As to the economic benefit I do understand but The Villages and surrounding area has grown so much I suspect the year around population would sufficiently support the business community without many businesses missing a beat. And as to your personal investment does all of this add or subtract from it?

The saddest aspect of all is that build out continues ad nauseam

Cést la vie
Totally disagree with this. In the summertime the restaurants & shops are not busy at all. I see so many of the young service staff struggling to make ends meet as their hours get cut or they drive all the way here just to be cut early and told to go home. Several of the restaurants cut down on the entertainment a few nights a week because not as much money coming in. Thank goodness for season when they can make some money.

[graciegirl]

Totally disagree with this. In the summertime the restaurants & shops are not busy at all. I see so many of the young service staff struggling to make ends meet as their hours get cut or they drive all the way here just to be cut early and told to go home. Several of the restaurants cut down on the entertainment a few nights a week because not as much money coming in. Thank goodness for season when they can make some money.



That is a very good point. It is of course what it is. I like it when we have things busy and I like the less busy times.


The whole state of Florida has experienced an uptick in population. Florida is now the third most populous state.

[Jima64]

I think the point is that snow birds are not the only cause of traffic etc in The Villages.

Maybe when the snowbirds are here reflects how busy the villages would be if they ere here year round. Would reflect the true population.

[graciegirl]

Maybe when the snowbirds are here reflects how busy the villages would be if they ere here year round. Would reflect the true population.



I wonder if that will ever be, all of us who own living here all of the time. Some of us are leaving all of the time. This has been a sad week for us for friends leaving us. They say it happens in threes and it did.


And as we age and die, new folks will come and join The Villages, probably at first as part timers.


I hope in the future that some of the changes some folks want to make here won't make this place just ordinary. I hope that when the inmates run the asylum that somehow it will stay the same. I hope Janet Tutt lives forever so generation after generation of people who carefully planned and sacrificed will have the same kind of fourth quarter to their game of life that we all do now.

[Bogie Shooter]

The article indicated guest ID's.

I was thinking that these guest passes may have actually been for guests... not renters. My guess is new owners have many guests over the course of the year, especially the first few as their family and friends want to see where they have settled in retirement. This is not a linear relationship with the number of new homes being built and more a function of demographics.

With all the baby boomers just starting to retire I would think the number of passes used for this purpose will go up significantly.

Yep!

[asianthree]

I do find it much quieter on the lanai mid April

[rubicon]

I find stats interesting. Bogie, please keep them coming for those of us that find there is more to the forum than complaining.

Perhaps you would be so kind as to explain your definition of complaining vis a vis disagreement/and difference of opinion? And perhaps you would further qualify it with the difference between either it being legitimate or illegitimate?

I politely ask this because it seems too often on this forum if one does not conform with the opinion of some members then it is taken as an affront, and an illegitimate one at that. It seems some favor collective thought rather than individual thought. Do you suppose this is a byproduct of political correctness?

Do you suppose that if one labels an opposing opinion as "complaining" it accomplishes the same goal as political correctness ending free speech in its tracks?

Personal Best Regards:

[Coal Miner]

Bogie Shooter, thanks for the info. I missed that in the paper. There are too many people who make fun of such informative remarks.

[OBXNana]

I rarely come to this forum, but we were able to escape the snow in March and the couple inches in PA yesterday for the sun in The Villages for a short period of time. I like the forum for updates on what is going on and interesting conversation. I personally am not interested in personal attacks on anyone, regardless of their thoughts or beliefs. I am a firm believer in live and let live. Discussion is one thing. That is not what I am referring to.

Why can't someone post a comment on stats without being criticized? I'm certain Bogie Shooter is more than capable of defending himself. We have learned a tremendous amount from this forum and Bogie has been one of the people that has helped us greatly. No, we have never met and probably never will. My question remains, why can't someone post something that may be of interest to few without someone "complaining" or if you prefer, criticizing the content..

I will now sign off for the time being and possibly come back to the forum at another time.

[perrjojo]

It's likely all 50,000 vistors were not here at the same time. I had two visitors for 2 days and one for 7 days. All were grandchildren. I don't think they added any cart or automobile traffic.

[asianthree]

It's likely all 50,000 vistors were not here at the same time. I had two visitors for 2 days and one for 7 days. All were grandchildren. I don't think they added any cart or automobile traffic.

You are right they were at Disney, the place was wall to wall for the two days we were there.

[Bonny]

Perhaps you would be so kind as to explain your definition of complaining vis a vis disagreement/and difference of opinion? And perhaps you would further qualify it with the difference between either it being legitimate or illegitimate?

I politely ask this because it seems too often on this forum if one does not conform with the opinion of some members then it is taken as an affront, and an illegitimate one at that. It seems some favor collective thought rather than individual thought. Do you suppose this is a byproduct of political correctness?

Do you suppose that if one labels an opposing opinion as "complaining" it accomplishes the same goal as political correctness ending free speech in its tracks?

Personal Best Regards:
I personally see a big difference between complaining or having a different opinion. I don't mind a different opinion. Sometimes I like that. I do not like complainers and many are chronic complainers. Never anything good to say say & never happy.

[rubicon]

I personally see a big difference between complaining or having a different opinion. I don't mind a different opinion. Sometimes I like that. I do not like complainers and many are chronic complainers. Never anything good to say say & never happy.

Hi Bonny: A poster wrote "I find stats interesting, Bogie, please keep them coming for those of us that feel there is more to this forum than complaining"

So if you follow the thread various posters presented their interpretation of what those statistics represented. But then this poster appears to form a judgment by ending comments with " "more to this forum than complaining
I did not view any comment from a poster's interpretation of the stats as complaining?

So, I politely asked this poster's clarification on complaining. The poster replied by deflecting. Fair enough

As to this thread itself the topic was an increase in passes. Depending on your nature ,one would respond differently. There are some folks that like to participate and some that like to observe. Are you suggesting that all those who participate are happy and never complain and that those who observe are chronic complainers?

There is a book which discusses the issue of sensitive people. I do not necessarily mean sensitive in easily offended but sensitive to noise, crowds, etc would you suggest that such people desire to avoid noise and crowds makes them chronic complainers, never happy?

In essence all I am suggesting is that this term "complainers" gets tossed around too easily as if the subject matter is one dimensional . And its a practice that gets too much play on this forum and a method of dismissing out of hand some poster's opinion or disagreement like he is a racist, a bigot, a chronic complainer . I too like a back and forth on a variety of topics but never have I accused a poster of being a complainer if they disagreed. By the way I have a great sense of humor have many friends and enjoy life. but my pet peeve on this forum is this overuse of "complainer" in an attempt to discredit posters.

Personal Best Regards:

[Walter123]

Hi Bonny: A poster wrote "I find stats interesting, Bogie, please keep them coming for those of us that feel there is more to this forum than complaining"

So if you follow the thread various posters presented their interpretation of what those statistics represented. But then this poster appears to form a judgment by ending comments with " "more to this forum than complaining
I did not view any comment from a poster's interpretation of the stats as complaining?

So, I politely asked this poster's clarification on complaining. The poster replied by deflecting. Fair enough

As to this thread itself the topic was an increase in passes. Depending on your nature ,one would respond differently. There are some folks that like to participate and some that like to observe. Are you suggesting that all those who participate are happy and never complain and that those who observe are chronic complainers?

There is a book which discusses the issue of sensitive people. I do not necessarily mean sensitive in easily offended but sensitive to noise, crowds, etc would you suggest that such people desire to avoid noise and crowds makes them chronic complainers, never happy?

In essence all I am suggesting is that this term "complainers" gets tossed around too easily as if the subject matter is one dimensional . And its a practice that gets too much play on this forum and a method of dismissing out of hand some poster's opinion or disagreement like he is a racist, a bigot, a chronic complainer . I too like a back and forth on a variety of topics but never have I accused a poster of being a complainer if they disagreed. By the way I have a great sense of humor have many friends and enjoy life. but my pet peeve on this forum is this overuse of "complainer" in an attempt to discredit posters.

Personal Best Regards:

What I got out of this post is that you have a pet peeve. I had three pet peeve's when I moved here and have lost one. It is my understanding that we are only allowed to have two pet peeve's if you live in The Villages. It's okay to have three when you move here but if you lose one you are NOT allowed to replace it.

[Bogie Shooter]

I had a peeve once as a pet. I had to get rid of it because it continually pooped on my neighbor's yard.........................:wave:

[Bonny]

Hi Bonny: A poster wrote "I find stats interesting, Bogie, please keep them coming for those of us that feel there is more to this forum than complaining"

So if you follow the thread various posters presented their interpretation of what those statistics represented. But then this poster appears to form a judgment by ending comments with " "more to this forum than complaining
I did not view any comment from a poster's interpretation of the stats as complaining?

So, I politely asked this poster's clarification on complaining. The poster replied by deflecting. Fair enough

As to this thread itself the topic was an increase in passes. Depending on your nature ,one would respond differently. There are some folks that like to participate and some that like to observe. Are you suggesting that all those who participate are happy and never complain and that those who observe are chronic complainers?

There is a book which discusses the issue of sensitive people. I do not necessarily mean sensitive in easily offended but sensitive to noise, crowds, etc would you suggest that such people desire to avoid noise and crowds makes them chronic complainers, never happy?

In essence all I am suggesting is that this term "complainers" gets tossed around too easily as if the subject matter is one dimensional . And its a practice that gets too much play on this forum and a method of dismissing out of hand some poster's opinion or disagreement like he is a racist, a bigot, a chronic complainer . I too like a back and forth on a variety of topics but never have I accused a poster of being a complainer if they disagreed. By the way I have a great sense of humor have many friends and enjoy life. but my pet peeve on this forum is this overuse of "complainer" in an attempt to discredit posters.

Personal Best Regards:
I actually only wrote that in response to the sentence...
"Perhaps you would be so kind as to explain your definition of complaining vis a vis disagreement/and difference of opinion? And perhaps you would further qualify it with the difference between either it being legitimate or illegitimate?"
Wasn't really referring to any particular remarks on this thread. Just meant I like discussing things, just don't like constant complainers. All is good.

[Walter123]

I had a peeve once as a pet. I had to get rid of it because it continually pooped on my neighbor's yard.........................:wave:

Hey! Don't be stealing my pet peeve joke!:rant-rave: Better add LOL!

[dewilson58]

I actually only wrote that in response to the sentence...
"Perhaps you would be so kind as to explain your definition of complaining vis a vis disagreement/and difference of opinion? And perhaps you would further qualify it with the difference between either it being legitimate or illegitimate?"
Wasn't really referring to any particular remarks on this thread. Just meant I like discussing things, just don't like constant complainers. All is good.

:icon_wink:

[Bogie Shooter]

Hey! Don't be stealing my pet peeve joke!:rant-rave: Better add LOL!

Stop complaining! LOL

[villagerjack]

Bogie Shooter, thanks for the info. I missed that in the paper. There are too many people who make fun of such informative remarks.

And where did you see anyone "make fun" of his post?

[villagerjack]

I rarely come to this forum, but we were able to escape the snow in March and the couple inches in PA yesterday for the sun in The Villages for a short period of time. I like the forum for updates on what is going on and interesting conversation. I personally am not interested in personal attacks on anyone, regardless of their thoughts or beliefs. I am a firm believer in live and let live. Discussion is one thing. That is not what I am referring to.

Why can't someone post a comment on stats without being criticized? I'm certain Bogie Shooter is more than capable of defending himself. We have learned a tremendous amount from this forum and Bogie has been one of the people that has helped us greatly. No, we have never met and probably never will. My question remains, why can't someone post something that may be of interest to few without someone "complaining" or if you prefer, criticizing the content..

I will now sign off for the time being and possibly come back to the forum at another time.


Where are the posts that "criticized" the stats?

[RedChariot]

In the event it escaped some the marketing from The Villages has and continues to depict idyllic retirement living worthy of a millionaire and on retirement savings.

How any one can celebrate a departure from that implied promise is surprising. Perhaps overcrowded streets, multi-modal paths, restaurants, stores, golf courses etc is someone's idea of a good time but to me there is this thing called over saturation. Beauty is indeed in the eye of the beholder and many of us left congested cities for a more relax life style but for the previous four or five month I was just not feeling the love.

As to the economic benefit I do understand but The Villages and surrounding area has grown so much I suspect the year around population would sufficiently support the business community without many businesses missing a beat. And as to your personal investment does all of this add or subtract from it?



The saddest aspect of all is that build out continues ad nauseam

Cést la vie


Exactly. The implied promise missed. The never-ending construction that goes on and on....where shall it end.

[RedChariot]

Oops! Someone will call me a complainer because only THEIR opinion counts, not mine.

[justjim]

More people more guests and Easter too-----but I would not have made a guess of 50,000!

[Judith Ann]

We were responsible for 13 guest passes justin March. We had 3 groups of family and friends
here for a total or 26 straight days in a row. The last group was my entire family including all grandkids for almost a week. We rented a big mini van and 3 seater golf cart. It was WONDERFUL!!!!!!!

[rubicon]

What I got out of this post is that you have a pet peeve. I had three pet peeve's when I moved here and have lost one. It is my understanding that we are only allowed to have two pet peeve's if you live in The Villages. It's okay to have three when you move here but if you lose one you are NOT allowed to replace it.

Walter123: Well I only have one pet peeve but its a doozie because its become a national epidemic. So I am not apt to give it up. :D

[rubicon]

Exactly. The implied promise missed. The never-ending construction that goes on and on....where shall it end.

You do know the difference between a critique and a criticism?

[perrjojo]

Exactly. The implied promise missed. The never-ending construction that goes on and on....where shall it end.
Why would it end?

[Walter123]

Walter123: Well I only have one pet peeve but its a doozie because its become a national epidemic. So I am not apt to give it up. :D

There was a lot less complaining before there were chat boards. I remember an old bumper sticker that said "For the complaint department call 1-800-eat-xxxx"

Now, with chat boards, everyone has an audience. Me included!

[Walter123]

You do know the difference between a critique and a criticism?

Ooo-Ooo I know this one! There's a Q in critique!

[dbussone]

Ooo-Ooo I know this one! There's a Q in critique!

Excellent Walter. (Pretty funny, truly) Do you want a vowel or a consonant before Vanna spins the wheel?

[Walter123]

Excellent Walter. (Pretty funny, truly) Do you want a vowel or a consonant before Vanna spins the wheel?

I thought I already solved the puzzle? You mean there's more? Guess I'll use my free spin!