Based on a quick reading

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of the posts on this board, I think that it's a good bet that a lot of Villagers are not going to take Hillary's election too well.

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That's a fair statement. Here it may be considered trolling, asking for trouble or starting an argument. You can never tell. You may be accused of writing this post too and the first post.

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Tolling, trolling, trolling, keep them doggies trolling.........

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Without sounding too much like Trump or a 5 year old "told you so."

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:icon_bored:add something constructive--it would be refreshing

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of the posts on this board, I think that it's a good bet that a lot of Villagers are not going to take Hillary's election too well.

Yes we are outnumbered but still:

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Yes we are outnumbered but still:

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I don't think we are outnumbered too badly. Remember, the Original Gang of Six:1rotfl: is down to the Gang of Three. :1rotfl: They tend to talk among themselves and pretend they are many different voices like their heroine, Sybil.

Liberals- Keep up the good work! :boxing2::boxing2:

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You have no idea how constructive one has to be to get to this level on this thread!!

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It's pretty clear to the casual observer that the originator doesn't possess the ability of critical thinking. Perhaps someone should have told them that smoking bananas in the 60's to get high was a hoax.

Why hippies thought smoking banana peels could get you high (http://io9.gizmodo.com/5946553/why-hippies-thought-smoking-banana-peels-could-get-you-high)

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It's pretty clear to the casual observer that the originator doesn't possess the ability of critical thinking. Perhaps someone should have told them that smoking bananas in the 60's to get high was a hoax.

Why hippies thought smoking banana peels could get you high (http://io9.gizmodo.com/5946553/why-hippies-thought-smoking-banana-peels-could-get-you-high)
The originator, based on reading many threads in Political talk suggested that if Hillary wins, many Villagers would be disappointed.

What other conclusion did your your critical thinking skills reach?

The OP smoked bananas in the 60's?

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of the posts on this board, I think that it's a good bet that a lot of Villagers are not going to take Hillary's election too well.

That's because, if she is elected, you can kiss your Villages lifestyle good bye.

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That's because, if she is elected, you can kiss your Villages lifestyle good bye.How so?

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That's because, if she is elected, you can kiss your Villages lifestyle good bye.

Our private executive golf courses will be deemed unconstitutional and the food stamp recipients from Wildwood will get free play while Villagers have to pay. There is already a move afoot in Clinton's campaign to give free golf clubs to poor people.

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Our private executive golf courses will be deemed unconstitutional and the food stamp recipients from Wildwood will get free play while Villagers have to pay. There is already a move afoot in Clinton's campaign to give free golf clubs to poor people.


Do you have any links to back up these statements, or is this the subject du jour of the alternate universe according to Fox News?

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Do you have any links to back up these statements, or is this the subject du jour of the alternate universe according to Fox News?

Sean Hannity is a big fan of The Villages. It was Hannity that stated it categorically last night on the Hannity Comedy Hour - or it might have been Bill Mahr. I always get those two comedians confused. :popcorn:

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Troll or Trowel
Starting things up or Smoothing things over

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Do you have any links to back up these statements, or is this the subject du jour of the alternate universe according to Fox News?

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That's because, if she is elected, you can kiss your Villages lifestyle good bye.

Actually there are plans to open up section 8 housing in affluent neighborhoods. You MUST take the voucher and get the rest as a tax credit. I kid you not, they want landlords to HAVE to take section 8. Wouldn't be able to discriminate.

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The Republicans always look on the bright side of things. If Hillary is elected, they can continue the Benghazi hearings going for the next four plus years.

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The Republicans always look on the bright side of things. If Hillary is elected, they can continue the Benghazi hearings going for the next four plus years.

Or, they can impeach her for the serial felon she is.

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Hillary wouldn't last a full term Her health would suddenly become an issue. You do know that she suffers from frequent and severe headaches since she bumped her head?

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Actually there is not one candidate running now who instill confidence.

We have 320 million people and we can't find one suitable candidate to run.

We know that there are scoundrels in both parties lurking in back rooms and controlling candidates. Despite his claims even Trump has limits along those lines because many powerful people can even make or break him. Its all an illusion, trickery smoke and mirrors by a ruling class that carries little about voters . This all started about 100 years ago and each election cycle it became clear that the gap between "we the people"and self interests widen

The news media controls the population and with so many getting their news from social media day its becoming easier and easier to fool all of the people all of the time.

The saddest thing about it all is we have far too many jokesters not take this deficit seriously and one day they will discover the joke is on them

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Actually there is not one candidate running now who instill confidence.

We have 320 million people and we can't find one suitable candidate to run.

We know that there are scoundrels in both parties lurking in back rooms and controlling candidates. Despite his claims even Trump has limits along those lines because many powerful people can even make or break him. Its all an illusion, trickery smoke and mirrors by a ruling class that carries little about voters . This all started about 100 years ago and each election cycle it became clear that the gap between "we the people"and self interests widen

The news media controls the population and with so many getting their news from social media day its becoming easier and easier to fool all of the people all of the time.

The saddest thing about it all is we have far too many jokesters not take this deficit seriously and one day they will discover the joke is on them

The Libertarian candidate...go check him out.

It started more than 100 years ago, they just hid it better, now, they don't even care, they "borrow" $1 trillion a year and give it to their "contributors".

You ARE being suckered, stop playing the D are R game, stop voting for ANY of them.

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Actually there is not one candidate running now who instill confidence.

We have 320 million people and we can't find one suitable candidate to run.

We know that there are scoundrels in both parties lurking in back rooms and controlling candidates. Despite his claims even Trump has limits along those lines because many powerful people can even make or break him. Its all an illusion, trickery smoke and mirrors by a ruling class that carries little about voters . This all started about 100 years ago and each election cycle it became clear that the gap between "we the people"and self interests widen

The news media controls the population and with so many getting their news from social media day its becoming easier and easier to fool all of the people all of the time.

The saddest thing about it all is we have far too many jokesters not take this deficit seriously and one day they will discover the joke is on them

Why would anyone want the job, now that Obama has hosed things up? Correction, what SMART/DECENT/CAPABLE person would want the job? No one wants the job, other than power hungry egotists.

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Why would anyone want the job, now that Obama has hosed things up? Correction, what SMART/DECENT/CAPABLE person would want the job? No one wants the job, other than power hungry egotists.

The LAST person you want to be president, is the guy who WANTS to be president.

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Hillary wouldn't last a full term Her health would suddenly become an issue. You do know that she suffers from frequent and severe headaches since she bumped her head?

Hey, we found the guy who smoked the banana peels!

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Yes we are outnumbered but still:

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She has the best qualifications and the most practical policy suggestions so far. I am a Democrat too even though I kind of suspect that much of what Donald Trump will actually do if he becomes President is going to look quite a lot like what Hillary Clinton intends to do. The man flip-flops as much as a sandal at a Villages' pool. He will say anything to get elected and then his experts will take over.

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She has the best qualifications and the most practical policy suggestions so far. I am a Democrat too even though I kind of suspect that much of what Donald Trump will actually do if he becomes President is going to look quite a lot like what Hillary Clinton intends to do. The man flip-flops as much as a sandal at a Villages' pool. He will say anything to get elected and then his experts will take over.

If we put all the dumbest people in a room, we would be able to say the same about one of them!!!!!

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It seems that the only ones that suggest that Hillary is a good candidate are the ones that know the least about her. Otherwise, they are just as mentally corrupt as she is criminally corrupt. How any decent, patriotic American could vote for her, is beyond any logical reasoning.

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It seems that the only ones that suggest that Hillary is a good candidate are the ones that know the least about her. Otherwise, they are just as mentally corrupt as she is criminally corrupt. How any decent, patriotic American could vote for her, is beyond any logical reasoning.

Logic has left the room. How could any logical person vote for either Donald Trump, or Ted Cruz?

Hillary will probably be the Democratic candidate, if charges aren't brought against her before the end of May.

Logic has to hit the RNC at the convention. They can't put up either Trump, or Cruz. If the do, stupidity has no bounds, and they will get what they deserve four years of Hillary. A lot of people will vote for her, because she is the lesser of two evils.

When all you do is bring charges against her again, and again without convicting her of anything, people start looking at you as the problem.

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It seems that the only ones that suggest that Hillary is a good candidate are the ones that know the least about her. Otherwise, they are just as mentally corrupt as she is criminally corrupt. How any decent, patriotic American could vote for her, is beyond any logical reasoning.

How anyone could vote for either a D or an R is beyond any logical reasoning!

We ALL know they're crooked thieving liars. Yet they've convinced you that they are the only "viable" choice. You have a vote, use it, don't waste it on "four more years of crap". Don't waste it on the lesser of two evils. When a Libertarian is sitting there waiting to actually work FOR you and not against you. Our government is organized thievery to the tune of over $3 trillion a year, almost half of that is borrowed. How about we reign it in a bit?

Ds and Rs are NOT your friend.

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That's because, if she is elected, you can kiss your Villages lifestyle good bye.

I'm thinking you thought the same thing when we elected a black president. Now that didn't turn out so bad now did it. Stock market way up, gas prices way down, unemployment way down. AND we still have that wonderful villages lifestyle. Life is good and will only get better under a democratic president.

I'm sure you wouldn't want to go back to George Bush days when he allowed 9-11 and the great recession now would you? Na, I didn't think so. You couldn't be that stupid now could you? Don't answer that. I know the answer.

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It seems that the only ones that suggest that Hillary is a good candidate are the ones that know the least about her. Otherwise, they are just as mentally corrupt as she is criminally corrupt. How any decent, patriotic American could vote for her, is beyond any logical reasoning.

Have you looked at the republican candidates lately? :1rotfl: I rest my case.

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Logic has left the room. How could any logical person vote for either Donald Trump, or Ted Cruz?

Hillary will probably be the Democratic candidate, if charges aren't brought against her before the end of May.

Logic has to hit the RNC at the convention. They can't put up either Trump, or Cruz. If the do, stupidity has no bounds, and they will get what they deserve four years of Hillary. A lot of people will vote for her, because she is the lesser of two evils.

When all you do is bring charges against her again, and again without convicting her of anything, people start looking at you as the problem.

Great line. I find it interesting how these right wing wacho's can't see this.

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I'm thinking you thought the same thing when we elected a black president. Now that didn't turn out so bad now did it. Stock market way up, gas prices way down, unemployment way down. AND we still have that wonderful villages lifestyle. Life is good and will only get better under a democratic president.

I'm sure you wouldn't want to go back to George Bush days when he allowed 9-11 and the great recession now would you? Na, I didn't think so. You couldn't be that stupid now could you? Don't answer that. I know the answer.

Typical liberal to bring up the race issue. Can we expect anything less from the party of slavery?

Unemployment down???? Better check it out a little better. Record number left the work force because they couldn't get a job. They don't count them as unemployed in their stats.

Bush's 9/11 recession didn't take over a year to recuperate, did it? Obama's is still floundering. If Obama would have gotten out of the way, the economy could have been restored a lot faster.

Record number on food stamps. You call that good?

I am not the one that said The Villages lifestyle would suffer if Clinton or Bernie got elected, but the fact is that (thank goodness Bernie can't be elected) if Bernie was elected, he promised to raise EVERYONE's taxes. That would hit quite a few hard. We can't know what would happen if CLinton is elelcted, because you can't trust anything she says. Even the Dem voters have overwhelmingly said that in the polls.

So, I do not blame Obama's color (half-white) on his record, but I do blame the fact that liberals voted for such an inept and inexperienced amateur. He has been carried all the way to the top, but once they launched him like a kite, he just floundered on his own without the wind behind him.

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Logic has left the room. How could any logical person vote for either Donald Trump, or Ted Cruz?

Hillary will probably be the Democratic candidate, if charges aren't brought against her before the end of May.

Logic has to hit the RNC at the convention. They can't put up either Trump, or Cruz. If the do, stupidity has no bounds, and they will get what they deserve four years of Hillary. A lot of people will vote for her, because she is the lesser of two evils.

When all you do is bring charges against her again, and again without convicting her of anything, people start looking at you as the problem.

When has she been "CHARGED" with anything? Do you have some court transcripts indicating those charges?

Lesser of two evils? Hardly. I doubt there are any/ANY candidates Republican or Democrat that are as evil and criminal as Hillary. I bet there isn't one out there that has been responsible for deaths of their employees, or lying to the victim's families about how they died, or even being investigated for violations to national security. Kind of hard to compare and then say "lesser of two evils" unless you are just stupid or ignorant of current events.

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When has she been "CHARGED" with anything? Do you have some court transcripts indicating those charges?

Lesser of two evils? Hardly. I doubt there are any/ANY candidates Republican or Democrat that are as evil and criminal as Hillary. I bet there isn't one out there that has been responsible for deaths of their employees, or lying to the victim's families about how they died, or even being investigated for violations to national security. Kind of hard to compare and then say "lesser of two evils" unless you are just stupid or ignorant of current events.

Right back at you. I doubt there are any/ANY candidates Republican or Democrat that are as evil and criminal as Hillary. What crime has she been charged with, and convicted of?

The Republicans have charged her with everything under the sun. Have you missed the posts on this board? She is guilty before she is charged with anything. I guess the Constitution only applies, when it suits you.

How stupid do you have to be to see that Trump is nothing than a circus clown? He likes the attention that he is getting. His ego feeds on attention. This candy ass clown cries about everything. Poor, poor Donald. Everyone is picking on him. Nothing is fair!

Ted Cruz. Everyone is going to do a 180, when Cruz gets elected including himself. Everyone is going to go from hating the guy to loving him. He is going to go from trying to stop everything the Democrats put forward to working with them. Right.

I will not vote for Hillary, because it means four more years of the same nonsense that has happened in the last 7 plus. If she is elected, the Republicans will start hearing for everything under the sun. This will be gridlock on steroids.

One more time, sanity will float to the top, when the election is Biden/Warren versus Kasich/Rubio.

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I'm thinking you thought the same thing when we elected a black president. Now that didn't turn out so bad now did it. Stock market way up, gas prices way down, unemployment way down. AND we still have that wonderful villages lifestyle. Life is good and will only get better under a democratic president.

I'm sure you wouldn't want to go back to George Bush days when he allowed 9-11 and the great recession now would you? Na, I didn't think so. You couldn't be that stupid now could you? Don't answer that. I know the answer.

Awwww have you noticed that the National Debt has doubled under this character ! He has borrowed more money than all of his predecessors combined !
Our interest expenses for this debt now is almost equal to our entire annual GDP ! How long do you think this can go on with no ramifications for YOU and your children and grandchildren .
Wake Up ! It`s not sustainable !! We are at the financial breaking point !!
You want a person who has never ever taken an economics , finance or accounting lesson in her life to take this mess over !! What a joke !!!
Trump has an MBA from what is regarded as one of the very best MBA Programs in the World and he understands finance et al !!
Just amazing . " Things will be just fine with a Dem in office " !! Amazing ! Do you realize that for decades the data put out by the US Labor Department was like " Gospel ". Today since Barry took over no one at a professional level has any faith in the monthly numbers they put out . Economists used to rely on this data but it has been politicized . Good grief Charlie Brown try educating yourself and not repeating old " Bromides ".

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of the posts on this board, I think that it's a good bet that a lot of Villagers are not going to take Hillary's election too well.
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Based on the posts on this board it is amazing the huge education and knowledge gap between the intelligent well informed voters and the Hillary is the Easter Bunny ,Santa and the Tooth Fairy all rolled up into one being .

Other than " huff and puff " and shout everything she says please explain what she is trying to tell us .
Will she huff and puff at Putin , Iran , North Korea ? Hey if she gets herself back in the WH she well might have to deal with the pudgy guy in NK throwing a nuke at her fancy Hollywood friends .
What do you really know about HRC ? Ever dealt with her when she is not in front of a hot mic or on camera ? Suggest that you might want to do a little digging .
And if you would --- could you please list her accomplishments so that those of us who no longer believe in fairy tales might be better able to understand why she is our best choice to confront our enemies which includes the $20 Trillion in debt that Barry has run up for us all to clean up .

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I'm thinking you thought the same thing when we elected a black president. Now that didn't turn out so bad now did it. Stock market way up, gas prices way down, unemployment way down. AND we still have that wonderful villages lifestyle. Life is good and will only get better under a democratic president.

I'm sure you wouldn't want to go back to George Bush days when he allowed 9-11 and the great recession now would you? Na, I didn't think so. You couldn't be that stupid now could you? Don't answer that. I know the answer.

It's all a sham paid for by over a $1 trillion every year.

Do you know HOW they get the unemployment numbers? They "supposedly" randomly call households and ask them about employment. Really? You take a "poll" and that becomes the official number? Talk about a license to lie! "I called some people and this is what they said"...really?

It's all a sham, the worlds economies are teetering on the brink, and .gov and the media tell the sheeple that everything is peachy and getting better.

We ARE lucky we haven't been invaded yet, it's coming, "diversity" will eventually destroy this place too.

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It's all a sham paid for by over a $1 trillion every year.

Do you know HOW they get the unemployment numbers? They "supposedly" randomly call households and ask them about employment. Really? You take a "poll" and that becomes the official number? Talk about a license to lie! "I called some people and this is what they said"...really?

It's all a sham, the worlds economies are teetering on the brink, and .gov and the media tell the sheeple that everything is peachy and getting better.

We ARE lucky we haven't been invaded yet, it's coming, "diversity" will eventually destroy this place too.

"Sundowning" must be a bad thing to go through. Paranoid thoughts are all part of the process. It is nice they do let the "clients" have use of keyboards and internet access. Take your meds now. The night nurse will come in soon to give you a new Depends.

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"Sundowning" must be a bad thing to go through. Paranoid thoughts are all part of the process. It is nice they do let the "clients" have use of keyboards and internet access. Take your meds now. The night nurse will come in soon to give you a new Depends.

That's funny, I had to look it up.

Paranoid huh? Say's Mr Naive? You obviously disagree to call me paranoid and demented.

You disagree with the borrowed $1 trillion a year? The national debt hasn't gone up a $ trillion each year?

Do you disagree with how they figure unemployment? They "poll" 60,000 households. Look it up. Here, I'll save you the trouble: How the Government Measures Unemployment (http://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm)

Do you disagree with the worlds economies are teetering? Greece, Brazil, Venezuela, all crashing. The US and Russia going head to head. China's economy stalling. Here, a Google search all ready for you: https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Sundowning%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&channel=fs&trackid=sp-006#q=china%20economy%20crash

You disagree that "diversity" isn't good for a neighborhood, a town, a city, a nation? Then you'll gladly show me a place that has improved with an influx of minorities. Show me the 99.9% black villages equivalent.

Seems to me, I'm being quite lucid. How about you, can you support your accusation? Tell me what I said that made you think I'm "Sundowning"?

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That's funny, I had to look it up.

Paranoid huh? Say's Mr Naive? You obviously disagree to call me paranoid and demented.

You disagree with the borrowed $1 trillion a year? The national debt hasn't gone up a $ trillion each year?

Do you disagree with how they figure unemployment? They "poll" 60,000 households. Look it up. Here, I'll save you the trouble: How the Government Measures Unemployment (http://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm)

Do you disagree with the worlds economies are teetering? Greece, Brazil, Venezuela, all crashing. The US and Russia going head to head. China's economy stalling. Here, a Google search all ready for you: https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Sundowning%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&channel=fs&trackid=sp-006#q=china%20economy%20crash

You disagree that "diversity" isn't good for a neighborhood, a town, a city, a nation? Then you'll gladly show me a place that has improved with an influx of minorities. Show me the 99.9% black villages equivalent.

Seems to me, I'm being quite lucid. How about you, can you support your accusation? Tell me what I said that made you think I'm "Sundowning"?

I am not the person that accused you of sun downing. However, you have gone a little overboard.

Concerning the national debt increasing a trillion a year, take a look at the who the government is borrowing from. Who Owns the US National Debt? How Much Is Owed? (http://useconomy.about.com/od/monetarypolicy/f/Who-Owns-US-National-Debt.htm)
A lot of the debt is left pocket/ right pocket. You borrow from your left pocket, and put it in you right.

You are giving the impression that unemployment is solely determined by the calling 60,000 household. Calling the 60,000 is to determine how many have either stopped looking for work, or can't find work after their unemployment has run out. This number is added to the number of people on unemployment. Do you know a better way to determine how many people have left the workforce? If you do, give them a call, because they state that this is the best way to determine the number of people that have left the work force.

Define influx. When the better educated minority move into a neighborhood, the neighborhood doesn't go into the crapper. If they can afford the housing price, the only color that matters is green. Minorities are moving into blue collar neighborhoods. They might not be improving the neighborhood, but there are a lot that aren't bringing the neighborhood down. Blue color workers are a lot more tolerant than the people in the high priced neighborhood with their noses stuck high in the air.

Could there be another recession sometime soon? Sure, but it won't be as deep as the last one. Trump is threating to place tariffs on countries like China, and Mexico. If China's economy is teetering, what do you think a tariff on their manufactured products would do? He is almost guaranteeing a world wide recession.

The sun will go down, but sure as hell it will come right back the next day.

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It's all a sham paid for by over a $1 trillion every year.

Do you know HOW they get the unemployment numbers? They "supposedly" randomly call households and ask them about employment. Really? You take a "poll" and that becomes the official number? Talk about a license to lie! "I called some people and this is what they said"...really?

It's all a sham, the worlds economies are teetering on the brink, and .gov and the media tell the sheeple that everything is peachy and getting better.

We ARE lucky we haven't been invaded yet, it's coming, "diversity" will eventually destroy this place too.

I missed your last sentence. Invaded by who. Are you talking about the Villages, or the entire country? If minorities can afford living in The Villages, what the hell is the problem. They worked their entire lives, and saved for retirement, and we want to shut them out, because of the color of their skin? If you are talking about the US, you can't be serious. We are outspending the next seven countries combined, and this isn't enough to guarantee that we won't be invaded.

How is any country going to amass enough forces, and their invasion forces go undetected by our country on their way here? We can't stop a nuclear attack, but the country attacking us with nuclear bombs will disappear from the face of the earth with our response.

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I missed your last sentence. Invaded by who. Are you talking about the Villages, or the entire country? If minorities can afford living in The Villages, what the hell is the problem. They worked their entire lives, and saved for retirement, and we want to shut them out, because of the color of their skin? If you are talking about the US, you can't be serious. We are outspending the next seven countries combined, and this isn't enough to guarantee that we won't be invaded.

How is any country going to amass enough forces, and their invasion forces go undetected by our country on their way here? We can't stop a nuclear attack, but the country attacking us with nuclear bombs will disappear from the face of the earth with our response.

Unfortunately, liberals are starving our military and we are now making do with antiquated weaponry. Our fighter jets are 20 years old, and when the DOD says it needs upgrading, the liberals ask WHY. We are surviving in an aggressive world only on bluster, reputation and bluff. But, now Russia is starting to call our bluff and we respond how? With serious wording? With unembarrassed weak suggestions of threat? With "can't we all just get along?" If you want a free country, then you absolutely NEED/ have to have a very strong Defense. You can argue all you wish about how we have been in unneeded wars, but the fact is that you are criticizing while living a lavish lifestyle in a FREE country. AND that is due to a strong Defense. You can only bluff for so long before someone will call your bluff. Other leaders realized this and understood the need to show force when necessary to keep our country secure. Now, we have folks that have no experience and no understand of REAL history, just liberal PC history attempting to manage our great nation. But, you'll learn soon enough. Right now, Putin is kicking sand in our faces. Reagan would never have allowed Russian fighter planes to buzz our combat ships. I wonder what Putin has in store next, possibly another invasion of one of our allies that we promised to defend? Will we make excuses for not defending them AGAIN? How long will it be before the hammer and sickle are returned to the NEW Soviet Union? And liberals say, so what? Who cares? It's not paranoid when it's happening.

Liberals talk a lot and blame America
Conservatives ACT and blame the enemy. And many times, liberals seem like the enemy.

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I am not the person that accused you of sun downing. However, you have gone a little overboard.

Concerning the national debt increasing a trillion a year, take a look at the who the government is borrowing from. Who Owns the US National Debt? How Much Is Owed? (http://useconomy.about.com/od/monetarypolicy/f/Who-Owns-US-National-Debt.htm)
A lot of the debt is left pocket/ right pocket. You borrow from your left pocket, and put it in you right.

You are giving the impression that unemployment is solely determined by the calling 60,000 household. Calling the 60,000 is to determine how many have either stopped looking for work, or can't find work after their unemployment has run out. This number is added to the number of people on unemployment. Do you know a better way to determine how many people have left the workforce? If you do, give them a call, because they state that this is the best way to determine the number of people that have left the work force.

Define influx. When the better educated minority move into a neighborhood, the neighborhood doesn't go into the crapper. If they can afford the housing price, the only color that matters is green. Minorities are moving into blue collar neighborhoods. They might not be improving the neighborhood, but there are a lot that aren't bringing the neighborhood down. Blue color workers are a lot more tolerant than the people in the high priced neighborhood with their noses stuck high in the air.

Could there be another recession sometime soon? Sure, but it won't be as deep as the last one. Trump is threating to place tariffs on countries like China, and Mexico. If China's economy is teetering, what do you think a tariff on their manufactured products would do? He is almost guaranteeing a world wide recession.

The sun will go down, but sure as hell it will come right back the next day.

Here's the debt clock: U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time (http://www.usdebtclock.org/)

Total over $19 trillion. $161,000 per taxpayer, $59,000 per man woman and child, $500 billion deficit. It's more than moving from one pocket to another. It's repeatedly taking out loans and credit cards to pay the other loans and credit cards AND to keep living an unsustainable existence.

My point on unemployment is...it's just a big guess...and it's wide open for fraud.

Influx. You just defined the death of many formerly wonderful neighborhoods, towns, cities, etc. That's how it STARTS, the "wealthier minorities", then the standards go lower and lower as more and more move in until it becomes a shell of its former self. Why do you want to destroy such a nice place as this? At least the highfalutin neighborhoods survive! The blue collar ones turn into ghettos.

You have no clue about the worlds economies and finance...do you? You're a lamb surrounded by wolves.

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Unfortunately, liberals are starving our military and we are now making do with antiquated weaponry. Our fighter jets are 20 years old, and when the DOD says it needs upgrading, the liberals ask WHY. We are surviving in an aggressive world only on bluster, reputation and bluff. But, now Russia is starting to call our bluff and we respond how? With serious wording? With unembarrassed weak suggestions of threat? With "can't we all just get along?" If you want a free country, then you absolutely NEED/ have to have a very strong Defense. You can argue all you wish about how we have been in unneeded wars, but the fact is that you are criticizing while living a lavish lifestyle in a FREE country. AND that is due to a strong Defense. You can only bluff for so long before someone will call your bluff. Other leaders realized this and understood the need to show force when necessary to keep our country secure. Now, we have folks that have no experience and no understand of REAL history, just liberal PC history attempting to manage our great nation. But, you'll learn soon enough. Right now, Putin is kicking sand in our faces. Reagan would never have allowed Russian fighter planes to buzz our combat ships. I wonder what Putin has in store next, possibly another invasion of one of our allies that we promised to defend? Will we make excuses for not defending them AGAIN? How long will it be before the hammer and sickle are returned to the NEW Soviet Union? And liberals say, so what? Who cares? It's not paranoid when it's happening.

Liberals talk a lot and blame America
Conservatives ACT and blame the enemy. And many times, liberals seem like the enemy.

Budget cuts leaving Marine Corps aircraft grounded | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/04/15/budget-cuts-leaving-marine-corps-aircraft-grounded.html)

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I am not the person that accused you of sun downing. However, you have gone a little overboard.

Concerning the national debt increasing a trillion a year, take a look at the who the government is borrowing from. Who Owns the US National Debt? How Much Is Owed? (http://useconomy.about.com/od/monetarypolicy/f/Who-Owns-US-National-Debt.htm)
A lot of the debt is left pocket/ right pocket. You borrow from your left pocket, and put it in you right.

You are giving the impression that unemployment is solely determined by the calling 60,000 household. Calling the 60,000 is to determine how many have either stopped looking for work, or can't find work after their unemployment has run out. This number is added to the number of people on unemployment. Do you know a better way to determine how many people have left the workforce? If you do, give them a call, because they state that this is the best way to determine the number of people that have left the work force.

Define influx. When the better educated minority move into a neighborhood, the neighborhood doesn't go into the crapper. If they can afford the housing price, the only color that matters is green. Minorities are moving into blue collar neighborhoods. They might not be improving the neighborhood, but there are a lot that aren't bringing the neighborhood down. Blue color workers are a lot more tolerant than the people in the high priced neighborhood with their noses stuck high in the air.

Could there be another recession sometime soon? Sure, but it won't be as deep as the last one. Trump is threating to place tariffs on countries like China, and Mexico. If China's economy is teetering, what do you think a tariff on their manufactured products would do? He is almost guaranteeing a world wide recession.

The sun will go down, but sure as hell it will come right back the next day.

No my uninformed friend the National Debt -- is not a simple " left pocket to right pocket shift " as you say and no doubt learned on some simple site such as " The Nation " or " The Huffington Post ".
The money actually leaves the pants and never comes back . It goes out of " the pants pockets " and spent on various and sundry Federal programs and handed off to many countries which hate the USA .
You say the debt is " ours " and no one can get hurt . Who do you think is funding the debt ? Try this out independent pension funds , insurance companies , money market funds , bond funds and also a number of foreign governments such as China and Saudi Arabia .
You don`t think that these individuals and institutions and foreign governments are never going to want to get paid back ?
I am sure that you have a great deal more education and experience in these matters than I do . So would you please educate me on how this works .
I only have a BS in Economics , an MBA in Finance , a Masters in Accounting and a 35 year career in Commercial Banking . Apparently I did not attend the right schools or work for institutions which really understood how fiscal policy actually works ---- make that hasen`t worked since about 1964 .

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It's all a sham paid for by over a $1 trillion every year.

Do you know HOW they get the unemployment numbers? They "supposedly" randomly call households and ask them about employment. Really? You take a "poll" and that becomes the official number? Talk about a license to lie! "I called some people and this is what they said"...really?

It's all a sham, the worlds economies are teetering on the brink, and .gov and the media tell the sheeple that everything is peachy and getting better.

We ARE lucky we haven't been invaded yet, it's coming, "diversity" will eventually destroy this place too.

Rocker. Screwball.

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No my uninformed friend the National Debt -- is not a simple " left pocket to right pocket shift " as you say and no doubt learned on some simple site such as " The Nation " or " The Huffington Post ".
The money actually leaves the pants and never comes back . It goes out of " the pants pockets " and spent on various and sundry Federal programs and handed off to many countries which hate the USA .
You say the debt is " ours " and no one can get hurt . Who do you think is funding the debt ? Try this out independent pension funds , insurance companies , money market funds , bond funds and also a number of foreign governments such as China and Saudi Arabia .
You don`t think that these individuals and institutions and foreign governments are never going to want to get paid back ?
I am sure that you have a great deal more education and experience in these matters than I do . So would you please educate me on how this works .
I only have a BS in Economics , an MBA in Finance , a Masters in Accounting and a 35 year career in Commercial Banking . Apparently I did not attend the right schools or work for institutions which really understood how fiscal policy actually works ---- make that hasen`t worked since about 1964 .

I have never watched the Nation or read the Huffington Post. With all your degrees, please tell me where I said the ENTIRE national debt was left pocket/right pocket. I put up the debt by major entity. You skipped right over the US government agencies, and went right to the other entities/countries.

China could do a number on our economy by calling in the debt. The threat is always there. They could also nationalize all our countries businesses making products there. What is their goal? What good would it do cripple one of their larger customers? Trump wants to put large tariffs on them. He has a ton of degrees also. He brags about them every day. Maybe you should talk to him about the backlash China could inflict on us by calling in the debt we owe to them.

Attached is the budget deficit=/surplus by year. History of Deficits and Surpluses In The United States (http://www.davemanuel.com/history-of-deficits-and-surpluses-in-the-united-states.php)

Here is the national debt by year. National Debt by Year: Compared to GDP, and Major Events (http://useconomy.about.com/od/usdebtanddeficit/a/National-Debt-by-Year.htm)

If you had a surplus in the Clinton years, and "W's" early years, why did the national debt increase?

Could it be that they are two different entities? That all the national debt doesn't come from federal spending. That can't be the case. We only have one pocket.

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No my uninformed friend the National Debt -- is not a simple " left pocket to right pocket shift " as you say and no doubt learned on some simple site such as " The Nation " or " The Huffington Post ".
The money actually leaves the pants and never comes back . It goes out of " the pants pockets " and spent on various and sundry Federal programs and handed off to many countries which hate the USA .
You say the debt is " ours " and no one can get hurt . Who do you think is funding the debt ? Try this out independent pension funds , insurance companies , money market funds , bond funds and also a number of foreign governments such as China and Saudi Arabia .
You don`t think that these individuals and institutions and foreign governments are never going to want to get paid back ?
I am sure that you have a great deal more education and experience in these matters than I do . So would you please educate me on how this works .
I only have a BS in Economics , an MBA in Finance , a Masters in Accounting and a 35 year career in Commercial Banking . Apparently I did not attend the right schools or work for institutions which really understood how fiscal policy actually works ---- make that hasen`t worked since about 1964 .

Ok, Mr. Education, please show me where I said "the debt is " ours " and no one can get hurt". Please show me! You put words in my mouth so you can go off on a tirade. Is that what they taught you in school? I guess I am lucky that you missed the class on taking words out of context, and beating the person that said them on the head with them. I guess that was a course in Politics one, and you had no desire to be a politician. To bad in the current state of politics, you would fit right in.

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China could do a number on our economy by calling in the debt. The threat is always there. They could also nationalize all our countries businesses making products there. What is their goal? What good would it do cripple one of their larger customers? Trump wants to put large tariffs on them. He has a ton of degrees also. He brags about them every day. Maybe you should talk to him about the backlash China could inflict on us by calling in the debt we owe to them.



China isn't going to "call in the debt". They're holding bonds. Why do the uninformed comment?

When you owe someone over a $ trillion, it's their problem as much as yours.

We gave China paper, they gave us stuff. Who go the better deal?

They "call in" a $ trillion in debt, we tell them to come and take it. There's a war and they don't get paid anyway. You think the Chinese are going to come over here and take over? More guns than people in America, good luck with that.

For the most part, we're in agreement...but not with China. The "powers that be" the truly wealthy aren't going to give it up to Chinamen. China is being used more than it's using others. The Chinese are outsiders.

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China isn't going to "call in the debt". They're holding bonds. Why do the uninformed comment?

When you owe someone over a $ trillion, it's their problem as much as yours.

We gave China paper, they gave us stuff. Who go the better deal?

They "call in" a $ trillion in debt, we tell them to come and take it. There's a war and they don't get paid anyway. You think the Chinese are going to come over here and take over? More guns than people in America, good luck with that.

For the most part, we're in agreement...but not with China. The "powers that be" the truly wealthy aren't going to give it up to Chinamen. China is being used more than it's using others. The Chinese are outsiders.

Bonds can be cash or sold before their due date. China has recently sold some of their US Treasuries. China Sells U.S. Treasuries to Support (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-08-27/china-said-to-sell-treasuries-as-dollars-needed-for-yuan-support)

China has bought US Treasuries to keep the value of the currency down. This makes their products cheaper, and our more expensive. We know what they are doing, and we keep on letting them do it. Who is the fool?

If China calls in the debt, we can either raise taxes to pay them, or just print money, and cause the return of inflation. War is not an option.

Trump solution of placing a high tariff is just noise to get votes from the uninformed.

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China has bought US Treasuries to keep the value of the currency down. This makes their products cheaper, and our more expensive. We know what they are doing, and we keep on letting them do it. Who is the fool?

If China calls in the debt, we can either raise taxes to pay them, or just print money, and cause the return of inflation. War is not an option.



China bought US treasuries because they were TOLD to buy US treasuries if they wanted to play with the big boys. That is our hold over them. When someone owes you a $ trillion, you don't want anything happening to them, China won't attack. All the "big players" have stakes in each other. It keeps the petty squabbling to a minimum, keeps it from getting out of hand.

China won't sell their treasuries. Just like Saudi Arabia won't sell it's treasuries if the courts decide to blame them for their role in 9-11. It's MAD, mutually assured destruction. The world financial markets would implode if they sell. Nobody in power wants to see the world implode. That's WHY they manipulate everything, blow bubbles, reduce interest rates, etc.

The US would implode if interest rates went up. Do you know what the interest paid on $20 trillion ($20,000,000,000,000) is? Lets say the interest rate is 2.4% https://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/rates/pd/avg/2016/2016_02.htm We're paying $ 480 billion ($480,000,000,000) now, if interest rates went up to 6%, where they SHOULD be, they'd be paying $1.2 trillion ($1,200,000,000,000) a year in interest. They artificially keep rates low so they can make the minimum interest payment, the underlying debt just gets rolled over into new debt and never paid. The whole think is a scam.

War is ALWAYS an option when they want it. It changes the entire debt structure, old debts extinguished, new debts owed. It also gets rid of a lot of young men, doing wonders for the unemployment rate when things need to be rebuilt.

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China isn't going to "call in the debt". They're holding bonds. Why do the uninformed comment?

When you owe someone over a $ trillion, it's their problem as much as yours.

We gave China paper, they gave us stuff. Who go the better deal?

They "call in" a $ trillion in debt, we tell them to come and take it. There's a war and they don't get paid anyway. You think the Chinese are going to come over here and take over? More guns than people in America, good luck with that.

For the most part, we're in agreement...but not with China. The "powers that be" the truly wealthy aren't going to give it up to Chinamen. China is being used more than it's using others. The Chinese are outsiders.

You are soooooo far out of the park that I could not even begin to try to explain everything that is incorrect in your tirade .
So let me go back to your initial statements and ask that you educate me :
Please explain exactly what Ms. Clinton accomplished in her 8+ years as a US Senator . And in her time as Sec. of State .
Also please share with us why you feel that she is best qualified to deal with Iran , North Korea , Mr. Putin and World Wide Jihad .

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China bought US treasuries because they were TOLD to buy US treasuries if they wanted to play with the big boys. That is our hold over them. When someone owes you a $ trillion, you don't want anything happening to them, China won't attack. All the "big players" have stakes in each other. It keeps the petty squabbling to a minimum, keeps it from getting out of hand.

China won't sell their treasuries. Just like Saudi Arabia won't sell it's treasuries if the courts decide to blame them for their role in 9-11. It's MAD, mutually assured destruction. The world financial markets would implode if they sell. Nobody in power wants to see the world implode. That's WHY they manipulate everything, blow bubbles, reduce interest rates, etc.

The US would implode if interest rates went up. Do you know what the interest paid on $20 trillion ($20,000,000,000,000) is? Lets say the interest rate is 2.4% https://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/rates/pd/avg/2016/2016_02.htm We're paying $ 480 billion ($480,000,000,000) now, if interest rates went up to 6%, where they SHOULD be, they'd be paying $1.2 trillion ($1,200,000,000,000) a year in interest. They artificially keep rates low so they can make the minimum interest payment, the underlying debt just gets rolled over into new debt and never paid. The whole think is a scam.

War is ALWAYS an option when they want it. It changes the entire debt structure, old debts extinguished, new debts owed. It also gets rid of a lot of young men, doing wonders for the unemployment rate when things need to be rebuilt.

Who told China to buy US treasuries? Japan owns the second most treasury bonds. It must be them, because Japan and China are close buddies.

If foreign entities are buying treasuries in large amounts to screw around with the value of US dollars, why are we letting them do it?

Tax reform that brings in more money, and couple this with a balanced budget is the answer. Everyone that is anyone knows this. Why isn't it being done? We know what the answer to that is too. Our elected officials won't bite the hand that feeds them. which is major corporations, and the 1%.

Corporations complain about our high corporate tax rate, which is funny since they aren't paying federal income tax. Here is just a few 10 Corporate Tax Dodgers You Should Know About | BillMoyers.com (http://billmoyers.com/2014/05/29/10-companies-that-dodge-corporate-taxes/)

Over Two-Thirds Of Corporations Pay No Federal Corporate Income Tax (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/10/corporations-pay-no-tax_n_1196875.html)

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Who told China to buy US treasuries? Japan owns the second most treasury bonds. It must be them, because Japan and China are close buddies.

If foreign entities are buying treasuries in large amounts to screw around with the value of US dollars, why are we letting them do it?

Tax reform that brings in more money, and couple this with a balanced budget is the answer. Everyone that is anyone knows this. Why isn't it being done? We know what the answer to that is too. Our elected officials won't bite the hand that feeds them. which is major corporations, and the 1%.

Corporations complain about our high corporate tax rate, which is funny since they aren't paying federal income tax. Here is just a few 10 Corporate Tax Dodgers You Should Know About | BillMoyers.com (http://billmoyers.com/2014/05/29/10-companies-that-dodge-corporate-taxes/)

Over Two-Thirds Of Corporations Pay No Federal Corporate Income Tax (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/10/corporations-pay-no-tax_n_1196875.html)

Who told China to buy US treasuries to join the club? We did. The World Bank, the International Monetary Fund, the Bank of International Settlements.

Japan holds a lot because of WWII, part of the agreement. Saudi Arabia does too, because WE developed their oil fields, part of the deal. We got petrodollars too...free money out of the ground!

We, the Fed, determine the rates and the value of the dollar, not some piddly country smaller than many states. China is being used for it's cheap labor. China isn't "really" in the big boys club, wrong race. They're being played too.

More taxes? You mean $1.2 trillion in new taxes? That's what we borrow every year. That's $3500 in new taxes for EVERY man woman and child, a family of 4 would pay $14,000 in new taxes every year.

Let that sink into your head, EVERY year, the government borrowing is making a family of fours share $14,000. Each family of 4 would have to pay $14,000 more a year to balance the budget. Government pays half a $ trillion a year in interest payments ($500,000,000,000). Interest rates are artificially low due to printed money to keep the debt interest serviceable.

You ARE right about one thing, the corporations DO run everything...and I do mean everything.

Corporations don't pay tax, their customers do. Raise their tax, the price goes up. You pay more. Nothing is free. You gonna add that to the $14,000 for balancing the budget? This whole recovery is fake, it's the result of spending almost $10 trillion, going $10 trillion deeper in debt.

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Who told China to buy US treasuries to join the club? We did. The World Bank, the International Monetary Fund, the Bank of International Settlements.

Japan holds a lot because of WWII, part of the agreement. Saudi Arabia does too, because WE developed their oil fields, part of the deal. We got petrodollars too...free money out of the ground!

We, the Fed, determine the rates and the value of the dollar, not some piddly country smaller than many states. China is being used for it's cheap labor. China isn't "really" in the big boys club, wrong race. They're being played too.

More taxes? You mean $1.2 trillion in new taxes? That's what we borrow every year. That's $3500 in new taxes for EVERY man woman and child, a family of 4 would pay $14,000 in new taxes every year.



Let that sink into your head, EVERY year, the government borrowing is making a family of fours share $14,000. Each family of 4 would have to pay $14,000 more a year to balance the budget. Government pays half a $ trillion a year in interest payments ($500,000,000,000). Interest rates are artificially low due to printed money to keep the debt interest serviceable.

You ARE right about one thing, the corporations DO run everything...and I do mean everything.

Corporations don't pay tax, their customers do. Raise their tax, the price goes up. You pay more. Nothing is free. You gonna add that to the $14,000 for balancing the budget? This whole recovery is fake, it's the result of spending almost $10 trillion, going $10 trillion deeper in debt.

PETRODOLLARS are US dollars which have left the US and are held in the accounts of OPEC Nations ------ we don`t " get " petrodollars from the ground " what to H are you talking about !!

China and Japan are not " Buddies " they HATE one another and have for hundreds of years .
So you and your " buddies " and their spouses actually Vote and many more with the same lack of information . God Save Us !

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Who told China to buy US treasuries to join the club? We did. The World Bank, the International Monetary Fund, the Bank of International Settlements.

Japan holds a lot because of WWII, part of the agreement. Saudi Arabia does too, because WE developed their oil fields, part of the deal. We got petrodollars too...free money out of the ground!

We, the Fed, determine the rates and the value of the dollar, not some piddly country smaller than many states. China is being used for it's cheap labor. China isn't "really" in the big boys club, wrong race. They're being played too.

More taxes? You mean $1.2 trillion in new taxes? That's what we borrow every year. That's $3500 in new taxes for EVERY man woman and child, a family of 4 would pay $14,000 in new taxes every year.

Let that sink into your head, EVERY year, the government borrowing is making a family of fours share $14,000. Each family of 4 would have to pay $14,000 more a year to balance the budget. Government pays half a $ trillion a year in interest payments ($500,000,000,000). Interest rates are artificially low due to printed money to keep the debt interest serviceable.

You ARE right about one thing, the corporations DO run everything...and I do mean everything.

Corporations don't pay tax, their customers do. Raise their tax, the price goes up. You pay more. Nothing is free. You gonna add that to the $14,000 for balancing the budget? This whole recovery is fake, it's the result of spending almost $10 trillion, going $10 trillion deeper in debt.

Your 1.2 trillion is a little high , but in the ballpark.
https://www.nationalpriorities.org/budget-basics/federal-budget-101/spending/

Here is a breakdown of the 2015 budget. https://www.nationalpriorities.org/budget-basics/federal-budget-101/spending/

Social Security, and Medicare make up 2.25 trillion of the total budget of 3. trillion. They are considered Mandatory spending. Untouchable? When you add in military spending 609 billion, and the interest on debt 229 billion, you get 3.1 trillion of the total of 3.8 trillion. What are you going to cut? What about the off the budget items that were 244 billion in 2014? Are you going to cut that too from the budget also?

You are making an assumption that the tax increase will be spread equally among all families, which won't be the case. People that can afford it the most will pay more of the increase.

The second assumption is that corporations will pass along their tax increase to their customers. If people can't afford the products corporations are selling at the higher price, they won't buy it.

You can't increase taxes to cover the entire deficit. You are going to have to cut federal spending. You are also going to have to make changes in Social Security, and Medicare. These changes will be based on need. If people don't need it. They don't get it.

If the economy does better, people will do better. That is not the case, if corporations are doing everything to avoid paying taxes. Couple this with corporations with workers in the US not getting increasing wages, because they are doing better.

How would you get rid of the 1+ trillion dollar deficit per year?

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Your 1.2 trillion is a little high , but in the ballpark.
https://www.nationalpriorities.org/budget-basics/federal-budget-101/spending/

Here is a breakdown of the 2015 budget. https://www.nationalpriorities.org/budget-basics/federal-budget-101/spending/

Social Security, and Medicare make up 2.25 trillion of the total budget of 3. trillion. They are considered Mandatory spending. Untouchable? When you add in military spending 609 billion, and the interest on debt 229 billion, you get 3.1 trillion of the total of 3.8 trillion. What are you going to cut? What about the off the budget items that were 244 billion in 2014? Are you going to cut that too from the budget also?

You are making an assumption that the tax increase will be spread equally among all families, which won't be the case. People that can afford it the most will pay more of the increase.

The second assumption is that corporations will pass along their tax increase to their customers. If people can't afford the products corporations are selling at the higher price, they won't buy it.

You can't increase taxes to cover the entire deficit. You are going to have to cut federal spending. You are also going to have to make changes in Social Security, and Medicare. These changes will be based on need. If people don't need it. They don't get it.

If the economy does better, people will do better. That is not the case, if corporations are doing everything to avoid paying taxes. Couple this with corporations with workers in the US not getting increasing wages, because they are doing better.

How would you get rid of the 1+ trillion dollar deficit per year?

If you are going to deny SS or Medicare to anyone, I believe you will have to pass another bill/law. Right now, SS is a right. I don't care about Medicare because I have full private health insurance. Medicare A which I have and have never used, is just for hospitalization. I didn't opt in for Medicare "B" because I did not see why I should have them charge me another hundred bucks for something I didn't intend to use when I have full coverage private insurance. Personally, I could see them taking Medicare away from us that have private insurance, since it isn't used anyway. It is a shame that we work for 45 years or so, paying into SS and Medicare and then folks think that we don't deserve it because we have too much. I never did care much for income redistribution. Even in socialist countries, everyone gets their retirement pension. Just my thoughts on that part of the comment.

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If you are going to deny SS or Medicare to anyone, I believe you will have to pass another bill/law. Right now, SS is a right. I don't care about Medicare because I have full private health insurance. Medicare A which I have and have never used, is just for hospitalization. I didn't opt in for Medicare "B" because I did not see why I should have them charge me another hundred bucks for something I didn't intend to use when I have full coverage private insurance. Personally, I could see them taking Medicare away from us that have private insurance, since it isn't used anyway. It is a shame that we work for 45 years or so, paying into SS and Medicare and then folks think that we don't deserve it because we have too much. I never did care much for income redistribution. Even in socialist countries, everyone gets their retirement pension. Just my thoughts on that part of the comment.

If they didn't pay in they don't get it. If the government and other bleeding heart, minority, special interest groups decide to hand out freebie cash and support....call it something else and keep the SS benefit ONLY FOR THOSE WHO EARNED IT!!!

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If you are going to deny SS or Medicare to anyone, I believe you will have to pass another bill/law. Right now, SS is a right. I don't care about Medicare because I have full private health insurance. Medicare A which I have and have never used, is just for hospitalization. I didn't opt in for Medicare "B" because I did not see why I should have them charge me another hundred bucks for something I didn't intend to use when I have full coverage private insurance. Personally, I could see them taking Medicare away from us that have private insurance, since it isn't used anyway. It is a shame that we work for 45 years or so, paying into SS and Medicare and then folks think that we don't deserve it because we have too much. I never did care much for income redistribution. Even in socialist countries, everyone gets their retirement pension. Just my thoughts on that part of the comment.

They will have to pass a bill, if they want to change SS as it is now. The problem with your reasoning is that we paid for SS; therefore, we are entitled to it. We are as the law is written. However, we were paying for people that were on SS. Most of funds paid by us wasn't put aside for us. The unused funds were invest in Treasury bonds. So, there is something there, if the money being collected can't pay for the money being paid out.

They can change the law to read anything they want. Of course, the new law would have to be passed by both Houses of Congress, and signed by the president. I can guarantee you that your total net worth would be in the millions, when the new law stops paying you. I can't feel sorry for these people, because they probably benefitted from the tax laws as written to accumulate their wealth.