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Guest
04-19-2016, 10:04 AM
When the ACA was rammed through the system one of the predictions of rising costs is now beginning to show it's ugliness.

These insurance companies have been adding people as directed by the ACA. These additional people add to the number of incidents that need to be paid for by the insurer. As the losses get to a point where they are no longer able to offset or sustain the losses the only options they have are to discontinue/go out of business (which some have done) or raise prices, which we will all see.

It was forecast the ACA was significantly under estimated in cost impact to make it saleable.
That is over.

News from The Associated Press (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_UNITEDHEALTH_ACA_EXCHANGES?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-04-19-09-14-34)

The cheapest and best quality health care are what you have today and the prices will continue to rise and the quality and availability of the care will continue to deteriorate.

To all who think it was a good deal you were right for a couple of months. Congratulations on your new no longer affordable health care!!!

Guest
04-19-2016, 10:14 AM
Another reason to vote for anyone BUT the two socialists from the Democrat party. At least there is a chance of a GOP win that will get rid of ObummerCare. What disaster! And the Dems wanted the Republicans to compromise on it. Why? So that they could give some of the blame to them for how screwed up it is.

Guest
04-19-2016, 10:57 AM
Another reason to vote for anyone BUT the two socialists from the Democrat party. At least there is a chance of a GOP win that will get rid of ObummerCare. What disaster! And the Dems wanted the Republicans to compromise on it. Why? So that they could give some of the blame to them for how screwed up it is.

Vote Libertarian and you won't have to worry about a whole lot of "bad programs". From either side. They don't think government is your mommy and daddy.

Problem is, we're well down the slippery slope of no return. The inmates are running the asylum.

Guest
04-19-2016, 12:50 PM
Obamacare is not an issue for anyone on Medicare....it really doesn't affect us.

Part of the issue is many of the people who can now afford healthcare were sick...so they will access the system more.

Guest
04-19-2016, 01:05 PM
Obamacare is not an issue for anyone on Medicare....it really doesn't affect us.

Part of the issue is many of the people who can now afford healthcare were sick...so they will access the system more.

The issue will in fact affect us all medicare or not.
There are only so many doctors and so many facilites and all those who qualified under the ACA added to the existing system.

You will see longer times to get an appointment.
Longer waits in the waiting rooms.
Doctors whose allowances under medicare, which were low before, will go down more; hence doctors will be leaving the system.

You want parity with the coverage you have today? You will have to take additional supplements to cover the costs. At a substantial premium. Through these supplements one will be able to access care not available to the average American.

The coverage and quality of care one gets today is the best and least expensive it will ever be from here on out in time.

Fewer insurance companies.
Fewer doctors.
Same facilities.
Millions more added to the same system.

Anybody who thinks they will not be affected is not fully informed. And may not want to be. That does not change the outcome today or in the future.
Oh by the way this was all known and discussed before the Obama ram it and jam it team of Pelosi and Reid pushed it through.

Remember Pelosi's very famous, very stupis comment? Let's get the bill passed and then we will see what is in it.

Time to bend over America and that is not for a medical procedure either!!

Guest
04-19-2016, 01:29 PM
Obamacare is not an issue for anyone on Medicare....it really doesn't affect us.

Part of the issue is many of the people who can now afford healthcare were sick...so they will access the system more.

Not everything is about YOU!

Guest
04-19-2016, 02:50 PM
When the ACA was rammed through the system one of the predictions of rising costs is now beginning to show it's ugliness.

These insurance companies have been adding people as directed by the ACA. These additional people add to the number of incidents that need to be paid for by the insurer. As the losses get to a point where they are no longer able to offset or sustain the losses the only options they have are to discontinue/go out of business (which some have done) or raise prices, which we will all see.

It was forecast the ACA was significantly under estimated in cost impact to make it saleable.
That is over.

News from The Associated Press (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_UNITEDHEALTH_ACA_EXCHANGES?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-04-19-09-14-34)

The cheapest and best quality health care are what you have today and the prices will continue to rise and the quality and availability of the care will continue to deteriorate.

To all who think it was a good deal you were right for a couple of months. Congratulations on your new no longer affordable health care!!!

The ACA was passed on March 23, 2010. That is actually more than a couple of years.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/the-history-of-health-care-spending-in-7-graphs/2012/01/09/gIQAFlCCmP_gallery.html

Take a good look at the rate increases before the ACA. You think the health insurance companies increasing their rates is a new thing.

Haven't the Republicans been trying to stop the penalty for not having health insurance? What did the insurance company say in the article? People are signing up for coverage, when they incur a large medical expense. That is what the Republicans encouraged, so they could justify trying to repeal the ACA.

Isn't it easier to fix the law rather than repeal it, because of who proposed it?

Guest
04-19-2016, 03:03 PM
The issue will in fact affect us all medicare or not.
There are only so many doctors and so many facilites and all those who qualified under the ACA added to the existing system.

You will see longer times to get an appointment.
Longer waits in the waiting rooms.
Doctors whose allowances under medicare, which were low before, will go down more; hence doctors will be leaving the system.

You want parity with the coverage you have today? You will have to take additional supplements to cover the costs. At a substantial premium. Through these supplements one will be able to access care not available to the average American.

The coverage and quality of care one gets today is the best and least expensive it will ever be from here on out in time.

Fewer insurance companies.
Fewer doctors.
Same facilities.
Millions more added to the same system.

Anybody who thinks they will not be affected is not fully informed. And may not want to be. That does not change the outcome today or in the future.
Oh by the way this was all known and discussed before the Obama ram it and jam it team of Pelosi and Reid pushed it through.

Remember Pelosi's very famous, very stupis comment? Let's get the bill passed and then we will see what is in it.

Time to bend over America and that is not for a medical procedure either!!

Typical Right Wing Response, Chicken Little the Sky is Falling response.....

Guest
04-19-2016, 03:04 PM
Not everything is about YOU!

But it is!!!!

Guest
04-19-2016, 03:29 PM
The issue will in fact affect us all medicare or not.
There are only so many doctors and so many facilites and all those who qualified under the ACA added to the existing system.

You will see longer times to get an appointment.
Longer waits in the waiting rooms.
Doctors whose allowances under medicare, which were low before, will go down more; hence doctors will be leaving the system.

You want parity with the coverage you have today? You will have to take additional supplements to cover the costs. At a substantial premium. Through these supplements one will be able to access care not available to the average American.

The coverage and quality of care one gets today is the best and least expensive it will ever be from here on out in time.

Fewer insurance companies.
Fewer doctors.
Same facilities.
Millions more added to the same system.

Anybody who thinks they will not be affected is not fully informed. And may not want to be. That does not change the outcome today or in the future.
Oh by the way this was all known and discussed before the Obama ram it and jam it team of Pelosi and Reid pushed it through.

Remember Pelosi's very famous, very stupis comment? Let's get the bill passed and then we will see what is in it.

Time to bend over America and that is not for a medical procedure either!!

Bull hockey! Your ancestors probably said the same thing about Social Security and your parents said it about Medicare. Without the two of those programs, America would have seniors with no income at all or seniors with no way of paying medical expenses.

ACA is an excellent program and has helped millions of Americans obtain health insurance - with pre-existing conditions not being a exclusion.

Doctors are not leaving in droves, plenty of medical school grads.

Guest
04-19-2016, 04:00 PM
Bull hockey! Your ancestors probably said the same thing about Social Security and your parents said it about Medicare. Without the two of those programs, America would have seniors with no income at all or seniors with no way of paying medical expenses.

ACA is an excellent program and has helped millions of Americans obtain health insurance - with pre-existing conditions not being a exclusion.

Doctors are not leaving in droves, plenty of medical school grads.

Wow, how did Americans EVER survive without socialist programs? I wonder if self-reliance had anything to do with it? Tell me, is Social Security so good that it pays for a home in The Villages?

ACA sucks! It has cost everyone, and those that do qualify for it, have to pay higher deductibles than ever before. Those that have private insurance have had giant increases in both deductibles and co-payments, not to mention giant increases in premiums. And how many millions still don't have health care? What happened to all those promises? Not only is it cr@p but it is also going to cost trillions to the deficit. On top of everything else, because of ACA, aka ObummerCare half a trillion bucks was stolen from Medicare, which is cr@p already.

I do not mean to disparage you, but you do not know what you are talking about. ObummerCare is a disaster that will cost us dearly unless we get a Republican in there that has the guts to get rid of it. And no, we do not need it. Medicaid can be adjusted to take up some slack and some new changes in regulations can bring down the cost.

Guest
04-19-2016, 04:31 PM
Wow, how did Americans EVER survive without socialist programs? I wonder if self-reliance had anything to do with it? Tell me, is Social Security so good that it pays for a home in The Villages?

ACA sucks! It has cost everyone, and those that do qualify for it, have to pay higher deductibles than ever before. Those that have private insurance have had giant increases in both deductibles and co-payments, not to mention giant increases in premiums. And how many millions still don't have health care? What happened to all those promises? Not only is it cr@p but it is also going to cost trillions to the deficit. On top of everything else, because of ACA, aka ObummerCare half a trillion bucks was stolen from Medicare, which is cr@p already.

I do not mean to disparage you, but you do not know what you are talking about. ObummerCare is a disaster that will cost us dearly unless we get a Republican in there that has the guts to get rid of it. And no, we do not need it. Medicaid can be adjusted to take up some slack and some new changes in regulations can bring down the cost.

Some Americans do not survive social programs. As for buying a house in The Villages with SS - no. However the same extra $1650-3000 per month is nice gravy. There are lots of people just outside The Villages who have nothing more than their $1500 per month or a spouse died and they now get half.

My health insurance went up $6 per month this year and I have a $15 copay. How many million now have healthcare than before? 30 million.

Guest
04-19-2016, 05:28 PM
Wow, how did Americans EVER survive without socialist programs? I wonder if self-reliance had anything to do with it? Tell me, is Social Security so good that it pays for a home in The Villages?

ACA sucks! It has cost everyone, and those that do qualify for it, have to pay higher deductibles than ever before. Those that have private insurance have had giant increases in both deductibles and co-payments, not to mention giant increases in premiums. And how many millions still don't have health care? What happened to all those promises? Not only is it cr@p but it is also going to cost trillions to the deficit. On top of everything else, because of ACA, aka ObummerCare half a trillion bucks was stolen from Medicare, which is cr@p already.

I do not mean to disparage you, but you do not know what you are talking about. ObummerCare is a disaster that will cost us dearly unless we get a Republican in there that has the guts to get rid of it. And no, we do not need it. Medicaid can be adjusted to take up some slack and some new changes in regulations can bring down the cost.

Why don't you put up figures that support your argument?

Figures were put up on a prior post that supports the complete opposite.

Guest
04-19-2016, 05:44 PM
In my opinion it will effect anyone who pays taxes. The government will end up paying the difference in cost ; if indirectly. My cost for medicare ...that I paid for all my life, is already much higher as a result of ObamaCare. They shifted funds out of Medicare to make Obamacare "look" affordable when it was instituted.

Guest
04-19-2016, 06:18 PM
In my opinion it will effect anyone who pays taxes. The government will end up paying the difference in cost ; if indirectly. My cost for medicare ...that I paid for all my life, is already much higher as a result of ObamaCare. They shifted funds out of Medicare to make Obamacare "look" affordable when it was instituted.

And the insurance companies did not raise their prices as many of the new horde in fact got government subsidies. They wanted an environment that APPEARED to be new sign ups friendly cost wise.

Well now after a couple of years with millions more on their roles, and millions more pre-existing conditions and up to 24 year olds....the number of claims to be paid has sky rocketed. Bleeding the insurance companies. Now it is their turn. Some have closed up shop. The biggies like Unoted Health Care just say here is where we will be and here is where we won't be and here is the price....take it or leave it!!

As expected from day ONE!

Guest
04-19-2016, 06:36 PM
I, for one, am NOT crying for the Insurance Companies....that stopped when they denied coverage for a newborn baby saying it was a PRE-EXISTING condition.

Baby Denied Medical Coverage While in Womb: 'Good Morning America' Gets Answers from Health Insurance - ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/TheLaw/answers-baby-denied-medical-coverage-womb/story?id=11871449)

They have been making out like bandits for years bleeding us dry. I spent $800.00 a month as a retiree for healthcare until I got on Medicare.

https://www.publicintegrity.org/2015/01/26/16658/health-insurers-watch-profits-soar-they-dump-small-business-customers

Guest
04-19-2016, 07:09 PM
Bull hockey! Your ancestors probably said the same thing about Social Security and your parents said it about Medicare. Without the two of those programs, America would have seniors with no income at all or seniors with no way of paying medical expenses.

ACA is an excellent program and has helped millions of Americans obtain health insurance - with pre-existing conditions not being a exclusion.

Doctors are not leaving in droves, plenty of medical school grads.

Finally ! After all this time someone has clearly and empirically explained it to me ! Now I see the light and the wisdom ! Thank-you !!!

Guest
04-19-2016, 07:46 PM
Anyone that thinks Social Security is a good deal for ANYONE but the government is either uninformed or just plain stupid.

Guest
04-19-2016, 10:14 PM
The problem the Lobbists spread the honey and the insurance industry wrote the aca. The dumb democrats didn't even read it, do we remember her "we got to pass it to see what's in it!

The only way it will work is GET RID of ALL insurance companies and have single payer the government that can control costs and regulate th system. INsurance is nothing more that legal racketeering For CEOs lobbyist and your elected officials (lying $$&&$ criminals that should be hung)

This system Is FUP there Is NO FIX for it. It was bad before now it worse.

Guest
04-19-2016, 10:50 PM
The problem the Lobbists spread the honey and the insurance industry wrote the aca. The dumb democrats didn't even read it, do we remember her "we got to pass it to see what's in it!

The only way it will work is GET RID of ALL insurance companies and have single payer the government that can control costs and regulate th system. INsurance is nothing more that legal racketeering For CEOs lobbyist and your elected officials (lying $$&&$ criminals that should be hung)

This system Is FUP there Is NO FIX for it. It was bad before now it worse.

WHAT??? You want government to be completely in charge of insurance companies? I always thought you meatheads wanted less government control? I guess you want it only when it is your best interest, huh?

Guest
04-20-2016, 03:45 AM
Why don't you put up figures that support your argument?

Figures were put up on a prior post that supports the complete opposite.

You want figures to support the argument? No need. Just ask anyone that has insurance how much they pay for it now. My daughter has private insurance and the deductible went up thousands of bucks. I don't have deductible and my premiums went up 20+%, my hospital copay went up 50%, doctor's copay went up 20% and my wife's prescriptions went up 20%. How many still do not have health insurance? How many are being counted as having insurance now that didn't need or want it before? How many lost their insurance and had to use ObummerCare to get new coverage, due to a gov mandate that they purchase a service (Unconstitutional regardless of Supreme Court decision)?
United Health Care has just dropped out of ACA because of it's huge losses. Obummercare is stealing half a trillion bucks from Medicare to help subsidize it's huge expense.

So, liberals can pat themselves on their backs for ObummerCare all they wish but all the while they are ignoring reality.

ObummerCare figures are being falsified just like the real unemployment numbers, and liberals are so full of cr@p that their eyes are clouded and reality is "teen mothers" and "dancing with the has beens."

Guest
04-20-2016, 09:21 AM
You want figures to support the argument? No need. Just ask anyone that has insurance how much they pay for it now. My daughter has private insurance and the deductible went up thousands of bucks. I don't have deductible and my premiums went up 20+%, my hospital copay went up 50%, doctor's copay went up 20% and my wife's prescriptions went up 20%. How many still do not have health insurance? How many are being counted as having insurance now that didn't need or want it before? How many lost their insurance and had to use ObummerCare to get new coverage, due to a gov mandate that they purchase a service (Unconstitutional regardless of Supreme Court decision)?
United Health Care has just dropped out of ACA because of it's huge losses. Obummercare is stealing half a trillion bucks from Medicare to help subsidize it's huge expense.

So, liberals can pat themselves on their backs for ObummerCare all they wish but all the while they are ignoring reality.


ObummerCare figures are being falsified just like the real unemployment numbers, and liberals are so full of cr@p that their eyes are clouded and reality is "teen mothers" and "dancing with the has beens."

That is right. When numbers don't support your argument ignore the numbers. You think that insurance companies weren't raising their rates at a much higher number than inflation than in the past! Then, you didn't live in the real world. Again, take a damn good look at the charts provided on a previous post that shows you the rate of increases before the ACA.

I dealt with health insurance companies, when I was in the real world. We went from having the best plan that BCBS had to either a PPO, or an HMO. The rates increased 19.3%, 12.5%, and 17.9% over a three year period. Over a 15 year period, they never increased less than 7%. Take a look at the first post in the thread, he gives the impression that insurance companies raising their rates is something new.

How many people that don't have insurance are in Republican controlled states that did everything they could to make sure the ACA failed? Many people in these Southern states the uninsured would qualify for Medicaid under the ACA. Most of the cost for these people would be picked up by the federal government. That didn't stop these states from crying poor mouth. Did it? When your hatred for Obama trumps the welfare of your citizens, you really have something wrong with you.

Nobody needs health insurance until something happens to them, and then they do. Need! What is your definition of the word "insurance".

How many people lost their health insurance, because their former plans were just plain garbage? Most of these people got better plans at a cheaper rate.

The ACA isn't perfect, but it the problems won't be corrected. As soon as there is an attempt to correct the problems "repel and replace", there will be no replacement. Anybody with a brain in their head knows this no matter how many times Republicans parrot the phrase "repeal and replace". So, we have to live with a flawed law.

Reality! You want to know reality? Well, here it is. The Supreme Court has ruled that the ACA is constitutional, but you are stating that the ACA is unconstitutional, because the Supreme Court doesn't know what it is talking about. We should listen to you! Why

Guest
04-20-2016, 09:34 AM
That is right. When numbers don't support your argument ignore the numbers. You think that insurance companies weren't raising their rates at a much higher number than inflation than in the past! Then, you didn't live in the real world. Again, take a damn good look at the charts provided on a previous post that shows you the rate of increases before the ACA.

I dealt with health insurance companies, when I was in the real world. We went from having the best plan that BCBS had to either a PPO, or an HMO. The rates increased 19.3%, 12.5%, and 17.9% over a three year period. Over a 15 year period, they never increased less than 7%. Take a look at the first post in the thread, he gives the impression that insurance companies raising their rates is something new.

How many people that don't have insurance are in Republican controlled states that did everything they could to make sure the ACA failed? Many people in these Southern states the uninsured would qualify for Medicaid under the ACA. Most of the cost for these people would be picked up by the federal government. That didn't stop these states from crying poor mouth. Did it? When your hatred for Obama trumps the welfare of your citizens, you really have something wrong with you.

Nobody needs health insurance until something happens to them, and then they do. Need! What is your definition of the word "insurance".

How many people lost their health insurance, because their former plans were just plain garbage? Most of these people got better plans at a cheaper rate.

The ACA isn't perfect, but it the problems won't be corrected. As soon as there is an attempt to correct the problems "repel and replace", there will be no replacement. Anybody with a brain in their head knows this no matter how many times Republicans parrot the phrase "repeal and replace". So, we have to live with a flawed law.

Reality! You want to know reality? Well, here it is. The Supreme Court has ruled that the ACA is constitutional, but you are stating that the ACA is unconstitutional, because the Supreme Court doesn't know what it is talking about. We should listen to you! Why

Excellent post! It was so hilarious that Crapweasel's pick for Chief Justice was the deciding vote on the constitutionality of the mandated ACA and now it is the LAW!

No Republican has come up with a full fledged replacement idea.

Guest
04-20-2016, 09:45 AM
Excellent post! It was so hilarious that Crapweasel's pick for Chief Justice was the deciding vote on the constitutionality of the mandated ACA and now it is the LAW!

No Republican has come up with a full fledged replacement idea.

BS!

You mean no republican came up with anything the dems in charge wanted to hear.

There is no doubt the better option was to do nothing. With all it's warts and ills, the existing system worked.

As for the adding of what ever category the dems wanted to convert to votes, blacks, illegal aliens, pre-existing conditions, kids under 24, etc......the dems could have easily come up with a program to accomplish their goal....what ever that happened to be.

To attempt to completely change an item of the financial impact on the economy that the entire hair brained ACA scheme attempted to embrace was nothing more than a notch on Obamas twig of fame.

When he told Pelosi he did not care about the details of the plan just get something passed. And then when Pelosi said let's approve this bill then we can read it and see what is in it.

The warning signs were all over the place but between the Obama ram it and jam it team and the democratic amplifier called the media the usual do not we the people had one pulled over their eyes in plain sight.

Guest
04-20-2016, 12:36 PM
Excellent post! It was so hilarious that Crapweasel's pick for Chief Justice was the deciding vote on the constitutionality of the mandated ACA and now it is the LAW!

No Republican has come up with a full fledged replacement idea.

Nice try, but your ignorance doesn't make it fact. Republicans did come up with a cheaper and more viable alternative to improve health care. I read a lot of documentation when there were arguing Obummercare. One such alternative was put out by Sen Burr. I read it. It was posted on his website. I also read ALL of ObummerCare before it was passed. It was edited so many times, it was hard to keep up with it. Unlike congress, I read it before it was passed, and I say how bad it was going to be. I am glad that thanks to Palin, they took out the part about the appointed board that would decide whether or not you would get the treatment you need. And yes, it was in there. If my other hard drive hadn't crashed, I could give you a copy of the old version before it was edited. At any rate, there was alternative health care bills, that NEVER got voted on because Pelosi and Reid wouldn't allow it. So, now that you have been corrected I hope you will do something to contribute on this forum more than just parrot other liberals. Learn some facts instead of hearsay. By the way, Obummer promised to lower the cost of health care, and the fact is that it went up substantially. He knew it was. He wants it to fail so that liberals can get their gov controlled socialized health care.

Guest
04-20-2016, 02:50 PM
The US Supreme Court DID NOT APPROVE THE " ACA ". They ruled that the Federal Government has the right to impose a Tax and that your ACA Premiums are a " TAX " .

Guest
04-20-2016, 03:42 PM
The US Supreme Court DID NOT APPROVE THE " ACA ". They ruled that the Federal Government has the right to impose a Tax and that your ACA Premiums are a " TAX " .

:agree:..........:thumbup:

Guest
04-20-2016, 04:32 PM
Nice try, but your ignorance doesn't make it fact. Republicans did come up with a cheaper and more viable alternative to improve health care. I read a lot of documentation when there were arguing Obummercare. One such alternative was put out by Sen Burr. I read it. It was posted on his website. I also read ALL of ObummerCare before it was passed. It was edited so many times, it was hard to keep up with it. Unlike congress, I read it before it was passed, and I say how bad it was going to be. I am glad that thanks to Palin, they took out the part about the appointed board that would decide whether or not you would get the treatment you need. And yes, it was in there. If my other hard drive hadn't crashed, I could give you a copy of the old version before it was edited. At any rate, there was alternative health care bills, that NEVER got voted on because Pelosi and Reid wouldn't allow it. So, now that you have been corrected I hope you will do something to contribute on this forum more than just parrot other liberals. Learn some facts instead of hearsay. By the way, Obummer promised to lower the cost of health care, and the fact is that it went up substantially. He knew it was. He wants it to fail so that liberals can get their gov controlled socialized health care.

"If my other hard drive hadn't crashed..." :loco: Yeah, did the dog eat your homework, too?

Guest
04-20-2016, 06:00 PM
I, for one, am NOT crying for the Insurance Companies....that stopped when they denied coverage for a newborn baby saying it was a PRE-EXISTING condition.

Baby Denied Medical Coverage While in Womb: 'Good Morning America' Gets Answers from Health Insurance - ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/TheLaw/answers-baby-denied-medical-coverage-womb/story?id=11871449)

They have been making out like bandits for years bleeding us dry. I spent $800.00 a month as a retiree for healthcare until I got on Medicare.

https://www.publicintegrity.org/2015/01/26/16658/health-insurers-watch-profits-soar-they-dump-small-business-customers

What the government did for housing they did for insurance, eliminate underwriting rules and eliminated pre-existing conditions. In both situations people were covered who never should have been qualified. The left keeps equating profits as being dirty. There upside down economic model continues to deter the economic recovery which was rebounding in 2009.

corporations are flush with cash but use it to buy back their stock vis a vis investing. Frankly given Obama's economic miscalculations business are laying off people and will just hold because of the over regulation by Obama's policies and the uncertainty in todays'market.

the FED is working in concert with Obama and its policies benefit rich investors ( fat cats) (1%) (strawmen) Hillary, Bernie and Obama blame for the worlds problem.

Meantime rich people get to use cheap money belonging to the ( 99%)
So because of QE and because of no interest txapayers are caught and small investors (retirees) are more than likely paying the bank to hold their savings.

Socialism Obama style is what the progressive party stands for. They want a single payer plan for insurance because as human being whey believe they entitled to free health care. but noting is free. and they forget that binary equation of where there is a right there are responsibilities. they don't practice that last part of the equation. Free is broadly defined for them. they will spend the country broke for free stuff

Personal Best Regards:

Guest
04-21-2016, 11:09 AM
The US Supreme Court DID NOT APPROVE THE " ACA ". They ruled that the Federal Government has the right to impose a Tax and that your ACA Premiums are a " TAX " .

ACA premiums are a TAX. Where did come up with this? People that do not pickup health insurance will pay a penalty. This penalty is a tax. Premiums aren't being taxed.

This wasn't the only challenge to the ACA that made its way to the Supreme Court.
Supreme Court upholds ACA, defies partisanship: Column (http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2015/06/25/supreme-court-affordable-care-act-column/29267183/)

Read Chief Justice Roberts comment in the article, "do not expect the Supreme Court do make the ACA unconstitutional." Congress is going to have to repeal it. The ACA is the law of the land.

Guest
04-21-2016, 11:43 AM
What the government did for housing they did for insurance, eliminate underwriting rules and eliminated pre-existing conditions. In both situations people were covered who never should have been qualified. The left keeps equating profits as being dirty. There upside down economic model continues to deter the economic recovery which was rebounding in 2009.

corporations are flush with cash but use it to buy back their stock vis a vis investing. Frankly given Obama's economic miscalculations business are laying off people and will just hold because of the over regulation by Obama's policies and the uncertainty in todays'market.

the FED is working in concert with Obama and its policies benefit rich investors ( fat cats) (1%) (strawmen) Hillary, Bernie and Obama blame for the worlds problem.

Meantime rich people get to use cheap money belonging to the ( 99%)
So because of QE and because of no interest txapayers are caught and small investors (retirees) are more than likely paying the bank to hold their savings.

Socialism Obama style is what the progressive party stands for. They want a single payer plan for insurance because as human being whey believe they entitled to free health care. but noting is free. and they forget that binary equation of where there is a right there are responsibilities. they don't practice that last part of the equation. Free is broadly defined for them. they will spend the country broke for free stuff

Personal Best Regards:

You can't really believe your last paragraph. The Democrats want a single payer system, because everyone is entitled to free healthcare.
The Facts About Rising Health Care Costs (http://www.aetna.com/health-reform-connection/aetnas-vision/facts-about-costs.html)

The total cost of healthcare is right now is well over 3 trillion dollars a year. You are going to add 3 trillion to the federal budget, and not increase taxes. That is a nice trick. Single payer isn't going to happen, and anyone with a brain knows this.

The Democrats want tax reform. When "W's" tax rate changes expired, Obama didn't renew it for people in the 39.6% category, and the Republicans yelled foul. Tax reform isn't going too happen, because Republicans don't want it to happen unless the changes don't increase the total amount collected. You know "the don't increase tax pledge that they signed".

The Fed is to blame for the top 1%, and corporations not paying taxes. The Fed didn't write the tax laws that benefit the 1%, and corporations.

Given the current state of politics, anyone, who thinks that things will get better with the next president, is living in a dream world. In my dream world, John Kasich will get elected president. Then, things will get better, because the political environment will get better. Here's hoping.

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04-21-2016, 12:19 PM
The Fed is to blame for the top 1%, and corporations not paying taxes. The Fed didn't write the tax laws that benefit the 1%, and corporations.

Given the current state of politics, anyone, who thinks that things will get better with the next president, is living in a dream world. In my dream world, John Kasich will get elected president. Then, things will get better, because the political environment will get better. Here's hoping.

The "Fed" IS the 1% and yes, indirectly, they DO write the tax laws that benefit the 1% and corporations. They pay money to candidates "campaigns" and when they're elected, they're repaid with having their guy appointed at the SEC or the IRS, or wherever they want influence.

Things won't change ONLY because people are stupid sheep who without fail, keep voting for "their D or R guy" who works for them, not us. We're too stupid to realize...hey, there IS another guy I can vote for, who isn't the lesser of two evils!

It's not the state of politics, it's the stupidity of people that keeps this system going. People are very gullible, they know this, they're professional manipulators.

John Kasich is an R, if he gets elected, nothing changes because "their guy" got in.

ONLY a third party candidate has ANY hope of changing anything...until they kill him off.

The entire "system" is fixed and we can't change it. Unless we band together and vote them ALL out replacing them with NON-crooks! It's the parties that corrupt everything. Vote out both parties. Not only no incumbents, no Ds or Rs!

Guest
04-21-2016, 01:01 PM
It has become very clear to many that the ones opposed to this fiasco were right all along.

You say, "Yes, but people have insurance now that could not afford insurance in the past." True and not so true. What about the deductibles nobody wants to talk about?

Now, look at the other side of that coin. Many, many people have dropped their insurance and are uninsured because they can no longer afford their plans and cannot qualify for the plans on the exchanges because they make too much money or are actually employed. Now, these people are forced to forego health insurance in order to pay rent/house payments, auto insurance, college tuition for their kids, groceries, medications, and the list goes on.

So, just exactly what did it fix? Reminds me of a dog or cat chasing its tail. Round and round it goes.....one group loses and one group gains. Wasn't that how it was before? Some have and some don't?

I, for one, think that insurance companies should be:

1) Required to compete nationwide for business

2) Required to spell out how much they will pay per claim for hospital stays, tests, surgeries, etc. Itemize!

3) Required to pay claims in a timely manner without picking and choosing what they pay (you collect premiums, you pay)

Get rid of all the medical advertising on TV and in magazines that require prescriptions in order to bring down the cost. Let them offer the meds for less because they are no longer spending obscene amounts to advertise. If they want to advertise over-the-counter stuff, go for it. Bring down the cost of PRESCRIPTION MEDS, though, by NOT advertising them.

Guest
04-21-2016, 01:10 PM
Bottom line is that ACA was a bad idea from the start made worse by people who did not know what they were doing, never even read the final draft passed in in the middle of the night on a partisan vote. We have been living this nightmare since its inception in 2010 and we still have some hanging on to the bow of the ship saying its workable as the ship sinks into oblivion

Guest
04-21-2016, 01:39 PM
Bottom line is that ACA was a bad idea from the start made worse by people who did not know what they were doing, never even read the final draft passed in in the middle of the night on a partisan vote. We have been living this nightmare since its inception in 2010 and we still have some hanging on to the bow of the ship saying its workable as the ship sinks into oblivion

:agree:...simple and precise answer.

Guest
04-21-2016, 01:45 PM
Gotta love it when liberals scream about how unjust it is that some folks are rich and won't share it. Got a news flash for you idiot liberals, because the rich are paying ALL the taxes, you are getting the benefit or their wealth. Shoot, anyone making $50K or less with a wife and two children does not pay taxes. Almost have of you liberals are skating free and clear of paying taxes and you want to scare the rich away or punish them for supporting your @ss? Corporations pay more taxes than the rest of the world. They are also making it easier on you that don't pay income taxes. And don't forget that anyone with a 401K or other retirement investments are reaping the benefit of big business in their pensions. So, you want to shut down Wall St? Good for you. You can work on a community farm somewhere for the rest of your life and not have a retirement.

Guest
04-21-2016, 03:22 PM
Gotta love it when liberals scream about how unjust it is that some folks are rich and won't share it. Got a news flash for you idiot liberals, because the rich are paying ALL the taxes, you are getting the benefit or their wealth. Shoot, anyone making $50K or less with a wife and two children does not pay taxes. Almost have of you liberals are skating free and clear of paying taxes and you want to scare the rich away or punish them for supporting your @ss? Corporations pay more taxes than the rest of the world. They are also making it easier on you that don't pay income taxes. And don't forget that anyone with a 401K or other retirement investments are reaping the benefit of big business in their pensions. So, you want to shut down Wall St? Good for you. You can work on a community farm somewhere for the rest of your life and not have a retirement.

You are talking like the clueless Republican that you are. I am retired. Anyone that isn't far right is a liberal. Why don't you look up the number are large corporations that are paying nothing in federal income tax. So, the rest of the world's corporations are paying less than nothing. I guess that makes sense to someone.

You get the prize for making statements without any supporting facts. Please, Please show us one article that states that anyone wants to shut down Wall Street.

Working on a community farm has to be better than the place that you worked, which was a funny farm.

Guest
04-21-2016, 03:28 PM
You are talking like the clueless Republican that you are. I am retired. Anyone that isn't far right is a liberal. Why don't you look up the number are large corporations that are paying nothing in federal income tax. So, the rest of the world's corporations are paying less than nothing. I guess that makes sense to someone.

You get the prize for making statements without any supporting facts. Please, Please show us one article that states that anyone wants to shut down Wall Street.

Working on a community farm has to be better than the place that you worked, which was a funny farm.

Excellent post. :eclipsee_gold_cup:

Guest
04-21-2016, 03:57 PM
You are talking like the clueless Republican that you are. I am retired. Anyone that isn't far right is a liberal. Why don't you look up the number are large corporations that are paying nothing in federal income tax. So, the rest of the world's corporations are paying less than nothing. I guess that makes sense to someone.

You get the prize for making statements without any supporting facts. Please, Please show us one article that states that anyone wants to shut down Wall Street.

Working on a community farm has to be better than the place that you worked, which was a funny farm.

So ALL corporations are NOT paying taxes? Give me a break!

2015:
Payroll taxes paid jointly by workers and employers: $1.07 trillion, 34% of all tax revenues.
Corporate income taxes paid by businesses: $341.7 billion, or 11% of all tax revenues.

47% of tax revenues is from individual income taxes. So, if the top 50% are paying 47% then the wealthy and OWNERS of corporations are paying most of the taxes.

Yes, there is a war on Wall St. Bernie wants to regulate Wall St. Occupy Wall St wants to shut them down. Hillary wants to regulate Banks and Wall St. And you say, "give me proof or I won't believe you." Blah, blah, blah. The writing is not on the wall, it's on the Bill board in flashing lights.

And yes, retirements come from investments, business investments. So friend, I've got your "funny farm" right here.

Guest
04-21-2016, 05:42 PM
So ALL corporations are NOT paying taxes? Give me a break!

2015:
Payroll taxes paid jointly by workers and employers: $1.07 trillion, 34% of all tax revenues.
Corporate income taxes paid by businesses: $341.7 billion, or 11% of all tax revenues.

47% of tax revenues is from individual income taxes. So, if the top 50% are paying 47% then the wealthy and OWNERS of corporations are paying most of the taxes.

Yes, there is a war on Wall St. Bernie wants to regulate Wall St. Occupy Wall St wants to shut them down. Hillary wants to regulate Banks and Wall St. And you say, "give me proof or I won't believe you." Blah, blah, blah. The writing is not on the wall, it's on the Bill board in flashing lights.

And yes, retirements come from investments, business investments. So friend, I've got your "funny farm" right here.


"All corporation are not paying taxes? Give me a break." Why should I give you a break? You put words in my mouth, and then go off on a rant yelling about things that I never said. this isn't the first time that you have done this. Taking things out of context is bad enough. Ranting about things a person never said is taking that to a whole new level.

The thing that set this whole thing off is a person stating that a family of four making less than 50K don't pay taxes. Why didn't you correct him? If one of your own party makes a stupid statement, you just let it pass.
Why didn't you tell him that people pay social security, Medicare, state income taxes for most states, property taxes, sales taxes, gasoline taxes, tax on booze, smokes, and whatever else the federal government or states can think of?

Payroll taxes paid by corporations are built into the price of the goods they sell. So, people are the real ones paying all payroll taxes.

I think that your math is a little fuzzy. We are talking federal income tax only. 11% is paid by corporations as you stated. Romney stated that 47% don't pay federal. income taxes. That means that 53% of the people are paying 89% of federal income taxes.

The owners of corporations are stockholders. All businesses aren't corporations. I am not sure if you are including businesses in with corporations. Doesn't matter. The top 42% of real live people (53% less the 11% paid by corporations/businesses) that are paying federal income taxes aren't all wealthy. The vast majority of them aren't.

Stopping banks, and Wall Street from causing another 2008 recession is a war! If it is, it is a war worth fighting given the consequences of not acting. Is that in bright lights on your billboard? Are the bright lights you are seeing are the ones that Wall Street wants you to see, so they can continue to act in an irresponsible matter with regular people with money in retirement plans suffering the consequences of their bad investments?

While we are at it, why is a family of four making less than 50K not paying federal income taxes? You want to call them deadbeats, but who made them this way? Probably the last Republican president, and the current one that kept a good thing going.
Bush Tax Cuts Explained: Facts, Costs, Tax Rates, Charts (http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2013/02/bush-tax-cuts-explained-facts-costs-tax-rates-charts)
This article is coming from that liberal organization Heritage Foundation.

Next time, you try to provide proof, you probably should see if your proof makes sense. Then again, why break a bad habit?

Guest
04-21-2016, 08:11 PM
The thing that set this whole thing off is a person stating that a family of four making less than 50K don't pay taxes. Why didn't you correct him? If one of your own party makes a stupid statement, you just let it pass.
Why didn't you tell him that people pay social security, Medicare, state income taxes for most states, property taxes, sales taxes, gasoline taxes, tax on booze, smokes, and whatever else the federal government or states can think of?

Payroll taxes paid by corporations are built into the price of the goods they sell. So, people are the real ones paying all payroll taxes.


If you think about it, you're paying about 1/2 the cost of a lot of products as taxes. Each process in the manufacture is taxed.

Lets take your computer's case... The miners who mined the ore for the metals was taxed, they added 10% to the cost of the ore they sold. The smelter who turns the ore into steel also adds 10% for taxes. The miner paid taxes on the land, the equipment, fuel, payroll, profit, they passed it on. The smelter paid taxes on his foundry, equipment, payroll, power, etc, they passed it on. 10% tax on cost of ore, 10% on cost of raw steel. Remember this is compounded too, tax on tax. The steel is stamped at another factory, 10% again. The assembler turns it into a computer, adds 10%. It's shipped to a store to be sold, another 10%. You buy it, 9% in FL? You paid $100 for it.

It was taxed 10% six times! (thereabouts)

Remember, each piece is individually manufactured and taxed as the pieces come together. Plastic is crude pumped from an oil field, taxed, sent to a refinery, taxed, turned into plastic beads, taxed, molded into a part, taxed, assembled, taxed, sold, taxed.

Government is a stealing scam. Using "security" to milk us dry.

Guest
04-21-2016, 08:24 PM
WHAT??? You want government to be completely in charge of insurance companies? I always thought you meatheads wanted less government control? I guess you want it only when it is your best interest, huh?

Aaaaa, must be one of the insurance flimflam employee that Cheat your customers out of their preimum's, ex prudential shyster?

No dipshyt get ride of insurance companies and pay the government for health insurance. Thus putting CEOs, Lobbists, and criminal insurance out of business.

Guest
04-21-2016, 08:54 PM
No dipshyt get ride of insurance companies and pay the government for health insurance. Thus putting CEOs, Lobbists, and criminal insurance out of business.

What about the 50 million who can't afford to pay the government? If you're already on assistance, you wouldn't pay. With what?

I can see the appeal of "socializing" everything, but the problem, everyone doesn't share equally in the cost. The responsibility. Women like things socialized, it gives them a chance they wouldn't otherwise have. Laws stop aggressive men from dominating.

Guest
04-21-2016, 09:17 PM
Aaaaa, must be one of the insurance flimflam employee that Cheat your customers out of their preimum's, ex prudential shyster?

No dipshyt get ride of insurance companies and pay the government for health insurance. Thus putting CEOs, Lobbists, and criminal insurance out of business.

Friend : Have you ever been inside a Federal Government office during the work day ? I have visited many different offices of many different Federal Departments such as the Department of Labor , The Fed , The Bureau of Statistics .
People are literally asleep at their desks at anytime of day . Heads down no work on the desk and plugged into a set of headphones . And NO ONE seems to Care . Goes on all the time .
I have observed people playing solitaire with the cards on the top of their desk at 10AM . Four people playing cards during working not lunch hours right out in the open .
So these are the types of people you would like to have managing your Health Care ?
Of course you do ! :shrug:

Guest
04-22-2016, 05:46 AM
Why don't you put up figures that support your argument?

Figures were put up on a prior post that supports the complete opposite.

Sure it does. I do NOT know of anyone that is paying less for insurance. On the other hand, EVERYONE that I know is paying more for insurance. So, you go with your falsified figures. Yes, it has been proven that the figures that the White House puts out are generally false. I know you are going to come back with some retort about me saying ALL figures are false, or prove it, or something else LAME. Like I said before, EVERYONE that I have spoken to have insisted that their insurance has gone up, NOT down.
Please show me where I am wrong when I say that ObieCare has also stolen over a half trillion bucks from Medicare.
And I gotta love it when you come up with figures of 30 million now have insurance that didn't have it before. Were you blind when millions LOST their insurance coverage because of the new requirements? How many of them were counted as those that did not have but now have? How many that didn't want insurance that now have insurance were counted. YOu know, the rich that don't need insurance because they can pay cash? And now, how many STILL DON'T have insurance, millions? SO, what did they accomplish that they couldn't have accomplished in an easier and better thought out way? OK, granted preexisting conditions are fixed now. Did it take a thousand page, trillion dollar bill to do that? OK, so now they have a new tax so that they can bring more money in to spend in tax revenues.

Now, insurance coverage is not covering important tests that they covered before. I know because now my wife's cancer testing was not covered that was covered before. Now, premiums have increased. Sure, they have increased in the past also, but Obamacare promised to decrease it. Now, deductibles are higher by thousands. Prescriptions are higher. Co-payments are higher. Our hospital in and out patient copayment went up 50%.

You are in denial. Your figures do not speak truth. They are just figures and not real life. I do not know of anyone that has not had to pay more since Obamacare.

Yes, adult children can stay on the parent's insurance. Big deal. They should be out getting a job to pay their own way.

Yes, female contraception is covered. Big deal, like contraception is real expensive. If this is such a big deal, why the need to subsidize abortions?

Obamacare is a monster leach that needs to be put down. If you want to suggest that the poor would be affected then you really don't know anything about medicaid, do you? If this is such a free country, then why are we mandated to purchase a product that we don't want. And before you come up with that lame comparison of auto insurance, remember that auto insurance is not mandatory. It's only required IF you wish the privilege of driving a car.

Guest
04-22-2016, 05:50 AM
Aaaaa, must be one of the insurance flimflam employee that Cheat your customers out of their preimum's, ex prudential shyster?

No dipshyt get ride of insurance companies and pay the government for health insurance. Thus putting CEOs, Lobbists, and criminal insurance out of business.

Sure, Socialism sounds great when you are too weak to control your own life. If you want free healh care, go into the military. That will wake you up as to how socialized medicine works. You need to go overseas and see what socialized medicine is like. I have and it ain't pretty. They will tell you how great it is, but that's because they have no choice.

Only the ignorant would allow the gov to control their health care.

Guest
04-22-2016, 05:59 AM
"All corporation are not paying taxes? Give me a break." Why should I give you a break? You put words in my mouth, and then go off on a rant yelling about things that I never said. this isn't the first time that you have done this. Taking things out of context is bad enough. Ranting about things a person never said is taking that to a whole new level.

The thing that set this whole thing off is a person stating that a family of four making less than 50K don't pay taxes. Why didn't you correct him? If one of your own party makes a stupid statement, you just let it pass.
Why didn't you tell him that people pay social security, Medicare, state income taxes for most states, property taxes, sales taxes, gasoline taxes, tax on booze, smokes, and whatever else the federal government or states can think of?

Payroll taxes paid by corporations are built into the price of the goods they sell. So, people are the real ones paying all payroll taxes.

I think that your math is a little fuzzy. We are talking federal income tax only. 11% is paid by corporations as you stated. Romney stated that 47% don't pay federal. income taxes. That means that 53% of the people are paying 89% of federal income taxes.

The owners of corporations are stockholders. All businesses aren't corporations. I am not sure if you are including businesses in with corporations. Doesn't matter. The top 42% of real live people (53% less the 11% paid by corporations/businesses) that are paying federal income taxes aren't all wealthy. The vast majority of them aren't.

Stopping banks, and Wall Street from causing another 2008 recession is a war! If it is, it is a war worth fighting given the consequences of not acting. Is that in bright lights on your billboard? Are the bright lights you are seeing are the ones that Wall Street wants you to see, so they can continue to act in an irresponsible matter with regular people with money in retirement plans suffering the consequences of their bad investments?

While we are at it, why is a family of four making less than 50K not paying federal income taxes? You want to call them deadbeats, but who made them this way? Probably the last Republican president, and the current one that kept a good thing going.
Bush Tax Cuts Explained: Facts, Costs, Tax Rates, Charts (http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2013/02/bush-tax-cuts-explained-facts-costs-tax-rates-charts)
This article is coming from that liberal organization Heritage Foundation.

Next time, you try to provide proof, you probably should see if your proof makes sense. Then again, why break a bad habit?

You do exactly what you accuse others of doing, only with an arrogant attitude. You exaggerate what someone else says.
Did anyone say that someone making $50k per year and not paying taxes is a "deadbeat?" You have a comprehension problem, bub. Those figures that were cut and pasted by that posters were accurate and taken from the actual governmentfigures. It's too bad that they don't fit your criteria or agree with your liberal take on things as viewed through your liberal rose tinted glasses.

Guest
04-22-2016, 06:01 AM
Aaaaa, must be one of the insurance flimflam employee that Cheat your customers out of their preimum's, ex prudential shyster?

No dipshyt get ride of insurance companies and pay the government for health insurance. Thus putting CEOs, Lobbists, and criminal insurance out of business.

What an :0000000000luvmyhors butt.

Guest
04-22-2016, 06:02 AM
Sure it does. I do NOT know of anyone that is paying less for insurance. On the other hand, EVERYONE that I know is paying more for insurance. So, you go with your falsified figures. Yes, it has been proven that the figures that the White House puts out are generally false. I know you are going to come back with some retort about me saying ALL figures are false, or prove it, or something else LAME. Like I said before, EVERYONE that I have spoken to have insisted that their insurance has gone up, NOT down.
Please show me where I am wrong when I say that ObieCare has also stolen over a half trillion bucks from Medicare.
And I gotta love it when you come up with figures of 30 million now have insurance that didn't have it before. Were you blind when millions LOST their insurance coverage because of the new requirements? How many of them were counted as those that did not have but now have? How many that didn't want insurance that now have insurance were counted. YOu know, the rich that don't need insurance because they can pay cash? And now, how many STILL DON'T have insurance, millions? SO, what did they accomplish that they couldn't have accomplished in an easier and better thought out way? OK, granted preexisting conditions are fixed now. Did it take a thousand page, trillion dollar bill to do that? OK, so now they have a new tax so that they can bring more money in to spend in tax revenues.

Now, insurance coverage is not covering important tests that they covered before. I know because now my wife's cancer testing was not covered that was covered before. Now, premiums have increased. Sure, they have increased in the past also, but Obamacare promised to decrease it. Now, deductibles are higher by thousands. Prescriptions are higher. Co-payments are higher. Our hospital in and out patient copayment went up 50%.

You are in denial. Your figures do not speak truth. They are just figures and not real life. I do not know of anyone that has not had to pay more since Obamacare.

Yes, adult children can stay on the parent's insurance. Big deal. They should be out getting a job to pay their own way.

Yes, female contraception is covered. Big deal, like contraception is real expensive. If this is such a big deal, why the need to subsidize abortions?

Obamacare is a monster leach that needs to be put down. If you want to suggest that the poor would be affected then you really don't know anything about medicaid, do you? If this is such a free country, then why are we mandated to purchase a product that we don't want. And before you come up with that lame comparison of auto insurance, remember that auto insurance is not mandatory. It's only required IF you wish the privilege of driving a car.

Someone with open eyes! MOST of what comes from government is false.

My premiums went up too...

What they did was another "accounting trick". They took the poor from medicaid and "gave them insurance" that we paid for with increased rates. They're still poor and living off us.

That money is needed to pay the interest on the federal debt and not much more!

People are in denial about a LOT more than healthcare.

We're NOT a "free" country. We're the most imprisoned and one of the most ruled. It gets worse each day. We just THINK we're free because of the propaganda we're fed. Including all those fake numbers the government releases.

Guest
04-22-2016, 06:07 AM
Sure, Socialism sounds great when you are too weak to control your own life.

Only the ignorant would allow the gov to control their health care.

Women love socialism...because they ARE too weak to control their own lives. They SAY they want to, but in the end, most fail and end up as single mothers on welfare or they get married and dump everything on a man to take care of.

Only the ignorant want government controlling ANYTHING in their lives.

Guest
04-22-2016, 06:22 AM
Some Americans do not survive social programs. As for buying a house in The Villages with SS - no. However the same extra $1650-3000 per month is nice gravy. There are lots of people just outside The Villages who have nothing more than their $1500 per month or a spouse died and they now get half.

My health insurance went up $6 per month this year and I have a $15 copay. How many million now have healthcare than before? 30 million.

Medicare is NOT private insurance. Yes, I know of some that have insurance that did not go up one cent. Oh, did I mention that they are on Medicaid?

And regarding SS, the poster had stated that some folks only have SS retirement, and it is sooo great. The poster asked if it was such a great retirement, could they afford a home in the Villages. Try to concentrate on what is said.

Guest
04-22-2016, 06:30 AM
Why don't you put up figures that support your argument?

Figures were put up on a prior post that supports the complete opposite.

What figures are you looking for, ObamaCare sucks?

I can get you any figures you want, for Obamacare or against Obamacare. Do you want the truth, that it sucks, or do you want Gov programmed figures attempting to convince the gullible that it's great when their own figures say otherwise? I can give you figures, but will that convince you? Nope. Trying to convince a liberal that they made a mistake is impossible. They are too egotistical to admit their mistakes.

Guest
04-22-2016, 06:42 AM
The thing that set this whole thing off is a person stating that a family of four making less than 50K don't pay taxes. Why didn't you correct him? If one of your own party makes a stupid statement, you just let it pass.
Why didn't you tell him that people pay social security, Medicare, state income taxes for most states, property taxes, sales taxes, gasoline taxes, tax on booze, smokes, and whatever else the federal government or states can think of?

Payroll taxes paid by corporations are built into the price of the goods they sell. So, people are the real ones paying all payroll taxes.

I never said they didn't pay ANY taxes. I said they do not pay Fed Income Taxes. Try to work on your reading comprehension. Maybe somebody from YOUR party should correct you when you make a "stupid" statement.

Where did you get the idea that payroll taxes are "paid by corporations are built into the price of goods?" Payroll taxes are usually considered Social Security and Medicare contributions. You have part deducted from your earnings and the business pays part of it. If you are self owned business, then you pay 100% of the contributions.

And yes, ALL expenses are figured into the operation of a business in order to compute the actual profit that will be realized.

Before disparaging others in regards to what they say, perhaps you should also think about what you are putting out to the public. You really hosed it by admitting that you are from the "other" party.

Guest
04-22-2016, 09:21 AM
Friend : Have you ever been inside a Federal Government office during the work day ? I have visited many different offices of many different Federal Departments such as the Department of Labor , The Fed , The Bureau of Statistics .
People are literally asleep at their desks at anytime of day . Heads down no work on the desk and plugged into a set of headphones . And NO ONE seems to Care . Goes on all the time .
I have observed people playing solitaire with the cards on the top of their desk at 10AM . Four people playing cards during working not lunch hours right out in the open .
So these are the types of people you would like to have managing your Health Care ?
Of course you do ! :shrug:

You saw people playing solitaire with the cards on top of their desk? They should be fired. Everybody at work plays solitaire on their computer (unless you are talking about a long time ago).

Guest
04-22-2016, 09:53 AM
You saw people playing solitaire with the cards on top of their desk? They should be fired. Everybody at work plays solitaire on their computer (unless you are talking about a long time ago).

It's almost impossible to fire a government employee.

Guest
04-22-2016, 03:55 PM
You do exactly what you accuse others of doing, only with an arrogant attitude. You exaggerate what someone else says.
Did anyone say that someone making $50k per year and not paying taxes is a "deadbeat?" You have a comprehension problem, bub. Those figures that were cut and pasted by that posters were accurate and taken from the actual governmentfigures. It's too bad that they don't fit your criteria or agree with your liberal take on things as viewed through your liberal rose tinted glasses.

"Did anyone say that someone making $50k per year and not paying taxes is a "deadbeat" No, and neither did I unless of course I have a comprehension problem. Please show me, where I use the word "deadbeat", because I can't comprehend where to look. When you respond to a post read it, because it is right in front of you.

Go back and take a damn good look at post number 36. Look how many of off the wall comments were made, and nobody but nobody from the right corrected anything he/she said.

Post 39 used actual government figures. I used the same figures from that post. The only thing that I did was separate federal income taxes from payroll taxes. When I did his post didn't make sense. Has he corrected his post? If the person that made post 39, please chow me where you did.

It appears my liberal eyes are 20/20, and your right wing eyes are covered with blinders. Take the blinders off so you don't look like a fool, when you make a post like this. When your goal on a post is to try to bring someone down make sure you know what you are talking about. I think that I just followed my own advice.

Guest
04-22-2016, 04:42 PM
I never said they didn't pay ANY taxes. I said they do not pay Fed Income Taxes. Try to work on your reading comprehension. Maybe somebody from YOUR party should correct you when you make a "stupid" statement.

Where did you get the idea that payroll taxes are "paid by corporations are built into the price of goods?" Payroll taxes are usually considered Social Security and Medicare contributions. You have part deducted from your earnings and the business pays part of it. If you are self owned business, then you pay 100% of the contributions.

And yes, ALL expenses are figured into the operation of a business in order to compute the actual profit that will be realized.

Before disparaging others in regards to what they say, perhaps you should also think about what you are putting out to the public. You really hosed it by admitting that you are from the "other" party.




"Gotta love it when liberals scream about how unjust it is that some folks are rich and won't share it. Got a news flash for you idiot liberals, because the rich are paying ALL the taxes, you are getting the benefit or their wealth. Shoot, anyone making $50K or less with a wife and two children does not pay taxes. Almost have of you liberals are skating free and clear of paying taxes and you want to scare the rich away or punish them for supporting your @ss? Corporations pay more taxes than the rest of the world. They are also making it easier on you that don't pay income taxes. And don't forget that anyone with a 401K or other retirement investments are reaping the benefit of big business in their pensions. So, you want to shut down Wall St? Good for you. You can work on a community farm somewhere for the rest of your life and not have a retirement."

I have a problem with my comprehension. This post isn't yours. I guess I have a problem reading words that aren't there. Unless I miss my guess, the problem is common. I am a Republican. Can someone from my party please tell me where I went wrong?

Please explain your second, and third paragraphs. They seem to contradict each other. "Where did you get the idea that payroll taxes are "paid by corporations are built into the price of goods?" You left out two words "they sell".

"the other party". I assume that you are a Republican, and so am I. Did our party split up? I am a moderate Republican. So, what is my party called now, "Not Welcomed"? I forgot, a "RINO".

Guest
04-22-2016, 04:48 PM
You saw people playing solitaire with the cards on top of their desk? They should be fired. Everybody at work plays solitaire on their computer (unless you are talking about a long time ago).

It goes back to the pre-computer days when I was a Management Trainee at
Chase Manhattan and was charged to go over to various Federal Gvt Departments to dig out data for the Bank`s Economists . Part of a rotation on my first year in the training program .
" Walkmen " devices were new and I saw on several occasions people sleeping at their desks while plugged into such devices .
The types of behavior I described appeared to be just part of the culture .
I would imagine that today the behaviors are similar but with current technology .
My original point was do we really want the US Gvt running the nations Health Care System . Apparently a large number of people on this site feel that it is a great idea and we will all be pleased with them doing so .

Guest
04-22-2016, 05:45 PM
It's almost impossible to fire a government employee.

:agree:

Guest
04-23-2016, 07:09 AM
"Gotta love it when liberals scream about how unjust it is that some folks are rich and won't share it. Got a news flash for you idiot liberals, because the rich are paying ALL the taxes, you are getting the benefit or their wealth. Shoot, anyone making $50K or less with a wife and two children does not pay taxes. Almost have of you liberals are skating free and clear of paying taxes and you want to scare the rich away or punish them for supporting your @ss? Corporations pay more taxes than the rest of the world. They are also making it easier on you that don't pay income taxes. And don't forget that anyone with a 401K or other retirement investments are reaping the benefit of big business in their pensions. So, you want to shut down Wall St? Good for you. You can work on a community farm somewhere for the rest of your life and not have a retirement."

I have a problem with my comprehension. This post isn't yours. I guess I have a problem reading words that aren't there. Unless I miss my guess, the problem is common. I am a Republican. Can someone from my party please tell me where I went wrong?

Please explain your second, and third paragraphs. They seem to contradict each other. "Where did you get the idea that payroll taxes are "paid by corporations are built into the price of goods?" You left out two words "they sell".

"the other party". I assume that you are a Republican, and so am I. Did our party split up? I am a moderate Republican. So, what is my party called now, "Not Welcomed"? I forgot, a "RINO".

Federal Income taxes, dummy. Are you that dense? Wasn't the post about Income taxes? Good grief!!

Guest
04-23-2016, 07:11 AM
"Gotta love it when liberals scream about how unjust it is that some folks are rich and won't share it. Got a news flash for you idiot liberals, because the rich are paying ALL the taxes, you are getting the benefit or their wealth. Shoot, anyone making $50K or less with a wife and two children does not pay taxes. Almost have of you liberals are skating free and clear of paying taxes and you want to scare the rich away or punish them for supporting your @ss? Corporations pay more taxes than the rest of the world. They are also making it easier on you that don't pay income taxes. And don't forget that anyone with a 401K or other retirement investments are reaping the benefit of big business in their pensions. So, you want to shut down Wall St? Good for you. You can work on a community farm somewhere for the rest of your life and not have a retirement."

I have a problem with my comprehension. This post isn't yours. I guess I have a problem reading words that aren't there. Unless I miss my guess, the problem is common. I am a Republican. Can someone from my party please tell me where I went wrong?

Please explain your second, and third paragraphs. They seem to contradict each other. "Where did you get the idea that payroll taxes are "paid by corporations are built into the price of goods?" You left out two words "they sell".

"the other party". I assume that you are a Republican, and so am I. Did our party split up? I am a moderate Republican. So, what is my party called now, "Not Welcomed"? I forgot, a "RINO".

You said it.