Police Dept. sign on 466

[spring_chicken]

I just saw one of those portable signs belonging to the police dept that flashes the following message:
"Stay in right lane unless passing. It's the law"

I hope this means they are going to start ticketing some of these left lane laggards. News6 also has a story about them.Slow left lane driving can result in citation (http://www.clickorlando.com/traffic/slow-left-lane-driving-can-result-in-citation)

[rjm1cc]

I agree with the right lane but is their enough room for all the cars in the right lane?

[Walter123]

Seems that a sign like that will just confuse people around here. What if they want to make a left turn? Are they gonna stay in the right lane and then zip across the left lane to the turning lane? Don't say that it is common sense. The law should have nothing to do with common sense. It's a dumb law for local roads with multiple entrances and exits and roads where left turns are permitted. Save that law for the highways.

[MnGirl]

OMG,are you kidding????? I can't believe you'd think that!

[justjim]

I agree local roads with many business exits and entrances don't need a sign such as mentioned by OP. Perhaps the sign is more in the "rural area" of 466.

[SKIMAN]

what does Ron White say: You Cant Fix Stupid:censored:

[Taltarzac725]

I just saw one of those portable signs belonging to the police dept that flashes the following message:
"Stay in right lane unless passing. It's the law"

I hope this means they are going to start ticketing some of these left lane laggards. News6 also has a story about them.Slow left lane driving can result in citation (http://www.clickorlando.com/traffic/slow-left-lane-driving-can-result-in-citation)

That was near the Village of Zamora near the Chula Vista and CR466 t-bone when I saw it a few days ago.

[kansasr]

I saw that sign today...stuck behind a car in the left lane on 466 going about 42 mph pretty much from Chula Vista Ave to More!

[kstew43]

Seems that a sign like that will just confuse people around here. What if they want to make a left turn? Are they gonna stay in the right lane and then zip across the left lane to the turning lane? Don't say that it is common sense. The law should have nothing to do with common sense. It's a dumb law for local roads with multiple entrances and exits and roads where left turns are permitted. Save that law for the highways.

so true, I thought the left lane passing rule was for hwys.....not for city streets.

When you are closing in on a turn, you need to be prepared and stay in the lane you need to be in to make the turn you need to make.

I say slow down already.......

[Miles42]

I agree with the sign. If after all these years if you haven't figured it out then maybe you need to call a taxi or take the bus.

[mixsonci]

Many people drive very slow in the left lane, seems to me that would bring about a lot of unnecessary lane changing to keep passing the slower drivers, and I don't mean speeders, just driving the posted speed limit. And, as mentioned above, 466 has too many left turns to make it safe. Now you've got people trying to get over suddenly to take a left turn and other people speeding up to pass the slow drivers. Sounds like an accident waiting to happen to me.

[Walter123]

Many people drive very slow in the left lane, seems to me that would bring about a lot of unnecessary lane changing to keep passing the slower drivers, and I don't mean speeders, just driving the posted speed limit. And, as mentioned above, 466 has too many left turns to make it safe. Now you've got people trying to get over suddenly to take a left turn and other people speeding up to pass the slow drivers. Sounds like an accident waiting to happen to me.

Exactly. You said it better than I did. Leave that law for roads like the turnpike, 75, I4, etc. Not local roads. The speed limit on 466 should be 35 mph anyway. There are two school zones where you have to slow to 20 mph. I couldn't tell you how many have blown by me at 40 - 45 mph when the light is flashing to go 20. Let's face it folks, reaction times are not what they used to be.

[fred53]

Seems that a sign like that will just confuse people around here. What if they want to make a left turn? Are they gonna stay in the right lane and then zip across the left lane to the turning lane? Don't say that it is common sense. The law should have nothing to do with common sense. It's a dumb law for local roads with multiple entrances and exits and roads where left turns are permitted. Save that law for the highways.

with common sense".

Now I understand why the phrase "you can't fix stupid" came into being.

[Jima64]

Bad sign use. When they pull you over just point out you are preparing to make a left turn. Of course , if you have been in the left lane for a mile or two the officer will need some convincing.

[Walter123]

with common sense".

Now I understand why the phrase "you can't fix stupid" came into being.

Hi Fred, Maybe you couldn't understand what I meant and that's OK, but I'll make it clearer for you. I meant that the law is the law and should not be opened to interpretation, common sense is not the same for everyone especially, as you put it, stupid people. That's why we have laws. Get it?

[raynitsche]

Seems that a sign like that will just confuse people around here. What if they want to make a left turn? Are they gonna stay in the right lane and then zip across the left lane to the turning lane? Don't say that it is common sense. The law should have nothing to do with common sense. It's a dumb law for local roads with multiple entrances and exits and roads where left turns are permitted. Save that law for the highways.

You don't drive four miles in the left lane because you're going to turn.

[photo1902]

They should also put up a sign which reads "Speeder's only in the left lane"

[spring_chicken]

You don't drive four miles in the left lane because you're going to turn.

Exactly.

[kstew43]

Driving west on Hillsboro yesterday afternoon. Speed limit is 30. Large white SUV on my ass possibly thinking that was going to get me to speed up. Not gonna happen..

When I drive the internal roads, golf carts are on my right. I can almost reach out and touch them. :gc: Then all the sudden the golf cart lane ends and merges into the car lane.

Why would you want me to drive faster than 30?

Slow down already......

[kstew43]

You don't drive four miles in the left lane because you're going to turn.

Gotcha......so I will just stay in the right lane, going the correct speed limit.... then cut you off speeders when my turn comes.....

[spring_chicken]

Gotcha......so I will just stay in the right lane then cut you off when my turn comes.....

A lane change prior to a left turn is negotiated millions of times every day without cutting anyone off.
And it's all done without handwringing, sweating, debating on a message board, or illegally using the left lane as your own personal slow lane!
Who knew?

[graciegirl]

A lane change prior to a left turn is negotiated millions of times every day without cutting anyone off.
And it's all done without handwringing, sweating, debating on a message board, or illegally using the left lane as your own personal slow lane!
Who knew?



I am just interested as to why this issue riles up some people? I hardly ever allow driving issues to make me angry. That is the most unsafe thing to do of all. I think that it is because no one I know well gets road rage, or has a short fuse while driving. It is wise to not allow issues like this to get anyone excited. At most it is ten minutes on 466A that you have to subject yourself to this frustration. I used to drive my car around Ohio, Indiana, Kentucky,West Virginia, Western Pennsylvania and Tennesee in my job as a rep. I have driven a lot. You have to not let other people's driving habits get you all mad.

[spring_chicken]

I am just interested as to why this issue riles up some people? I hardly ever allow driving issues to make me angry. That is the most unsafe thing to do of all. I think that it is because no one I know gets road rage, or has a short fuse while driving. It is wise to not allow issues like this to get anyone excited. At most it is ten minutes on 466A that you have to subject yourself to this frustration.

I have no idea. I posted the info after seeing the sign, in hopes that people would follow the law. Not argue that it shouldn't be a law, or try to dream up scenarios where it would cause a wreck. I think some folks should stay home, wrapped in bubble wrap with a helmet on their head.

[graciegirl]

I have no idea. I posted the info after seeing the sign, in hopes that people would follow the law. Not argue that it shouldn't be a law, or try to dream up scenarios where it would cause a wreck. I think some folks should stay home, wrapped in bubble wrap with a helmet on their head.





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[dillywho]

You don't drive four miles in the left lane because you're going to turn.

I have seen many who do this because they know they are going to have to make a left turn but are not sure where. Not everyone has GPS or has been here a long time.

[dillywho]

I am just interested as to why this issue riles up some people? I hardly ever allow driving issues to make me angry. That is the most unsafe thing to do of all. I think that it is because no one I know gets road rage, or has a short fuse while driving. It is wise to not allow issues like this to get anyone excited. At most it is ten minutes on 466A that you have to subject yourself to this frustration.

I don't know that it particularly riles up some people. I think it's just that maybe old habits die hard or that it just doesn't seem prudent in many instances. Going less than the speed limit in the left lane really does create problems. Going the posted speed limit in the left lane really shouldn't in most instances. It is also against the law to speed in order to pass.

One of the problems I see with driving in the right lane except for passing, are those people who just flat refuse to signal that they will be turning right and then everyone behind them going the speed limit having to try to avoid them at the last second.

Just my thoughts. Guess we'll soon see how it works out.

[graciegirl]

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[rubicon]

This law was passed sometime ago and this same discussion ensured on TOTV except it was discussed in terms of the Florida turnpike.

Those of us who often travel 466 understand the dilemma. Its frustrating to find people driving below 45 mph in both the right and left lane and it happens much too often. I suspect that's why the reminder by LOE

Driving too slow for conditions can be as hazardous as driving too fast for conditions It seems the saying "lead, follow or get the heck out of the way has merit here

[raynitsche]

A lane change prior to a left turn is negotiated millions of times every day without cutting anyone off.
And it's all done without handwringing, sweating, debating on a message board, or illegally using the left lane as your own personal slow lane!
Who knew?

Gotcha......so I will just stay in the right lane, going the correct speed limit.... then cut you off speeders when my turn comes.....

Yes! Exactly. Only problem being the person in the left lane is going five under the speed limit.

[Topspinmo]

Maybe they want the left lane open for the speeder's so the came create more revenue O I mean catch the law breakers.

I've never seen traffic going 45 in either lanes on 466, 50 maybe. The posted speed limit is 45. That's the maximum speed not the minimum. So I pull out to pass car going 44, it will take awhile to get around the car unless I go above the posts speed limit Hypothetically.

I keep up with the flow of traffic usually 50 to 55 on 466 through the villages.

Another point how can you get ticket going 45 in the left lane? Why did they make mult-lane roads?

Unless they changed the law from the last time I read it 6 months ago. You can only get ticketed in the left lane if you are impeding traffic reguardless of your speed.

Bottom line it's bs, you will NEVER see only right lane traffic. All lanes will be clogged with vehicles. Utterly stupid to think otherwise.

[Regor]

All lanes will be clogged with vehicles. Utterly stupid to think otherwise.

Why would the right lanes be clogged?? Left lane is for passing!! You come up on a slow vehicle in the right lane, signal - pass - and return to the right lane.

If only the idiots that drive on the interstate where it is 3 lanes wide, would understand that the middle lane is not for cruising. It is a passing lane, just like the 3rd (left) lane is! I almost always drive in the right lane and I end up passing people in the middle and left lane (on their right)! Why are you idiots in the middle lane? Not very often you make a left off the interstate system.

DRIVE IN THE RIGHT LANE!!

[NoMoSno]

Why would the right lanes be clogged?? Left lane is for passing!! You come up on a slow vehicle in the right lane, signal - pass - and return to the right lane.

If only the idiots that drive on the interstate where it is 3 lanes wide, would understand that the middle lane is not for cruising. It is a passing lane, just like the 3rd (left) lane is! I almost always drive in the right lane and I end up passing people in the middle and left lane (on their right)! Why are you idiots in the middle lane? Not very often you make a left off the interstate system.

DRIVE IN THE RIGHT LANE!!
Those on the interstate that stay in the right lane, and don't allow traffic merging on from an entrance, are the idiots. MOVE TO THE MIDDLE LANE.

[goodtimesintv]

Why would the right lanes be clogged?? Left lane is for passing!! You come up on a slow vehicle in the right lane, signal - pass - and return to the right lane.

If only the idiots that drive on the interstate where it is 3 lanes wide, would understand that the middle lane is not for cruising. It is a passing lane, just like the 3rd (left) lane is! I almost always drive in the right lane and I end up passing people in the middle and left lane (on their right)! Why are you idiots in the middle lane? Not very often you make a left off the interstate system.

DRIVE IN THE RIGHT LANE!!

On a county road like 466 here, when both lanes are full of "continuous traffic" half the vehicles MUST drive in the left lane because two lanes of space are occupied--full!

When there is "continuous traffic" i.e. bumper to bumper in the right lane, when you pass them there is no space to merge yourself back into the right lane after passing!

A four-lane road like 466 with lots of left turns, stop lights, and cars turning right ONTO 466 from a dead stop and having to accelerate (such as from the gas stations at Southern Trace) is not the same as the interstate where there's a minimum speed, most are going the speed limit continuously, and nobody is slowing to almost a halt to turn onto another street.

Driving involves the driver making judgement calls all day long. This is a Michigan article, but the concept is the same, and this section below is how many of us were taught in other states:

"Church explained it like this: If there are two lanes in the same direction then the motorist is required to drive in the right lane.

But, he said, there are several exceptions: Motorists may drive in the left lane if passing, if there is a continuous flow of traffic, if turning left, or if on the freeway (i.e., the "expressway") and there are three or more lanes in one direction.

“This is primarily enforced on the expressway,” Church said. “In fact, I have never heard of an officer enforcing it anywhere else.”

“I do know of a few instances where officers did issue citations, but the magistrates seem to frown upon those tickets,” he said.

Also, Church added, the "substantially continuous lanes of traffic..." referred to in the law is undefined. It essentially means "bumper to bumper" traffic, but officers generally use a lot of discretion, he said."

Traffic talk: Is it legal to travel in the left lane? Is it illegal to pass on the right? Can you be cited? | MLive.com (http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2011/03/traffic_talk_is_is_legal_to_tr.html)

[NoMoSno]

On a county road like 466 here, when both lanes are full of "continuous traffic" half the vehicles MUST drive in the left lane because two lanes of space are occupied--full!

When there is "continuous traffic" i.e. bumper to bumper in the right lane, when you pass them there is no space to merge yourself back into the right lane after passing!

A four-lane road like 466 with lots of left turns, stop lights, and cars turning right ONTO 466 from a dead stop and having to accelerate (such as from the gas stations at Southern Trace) is not the same as the interstate.

Driving involves the driver making judgement calls all day long. This is a Michigan article, but the concept is the same, and this section below is how many of us were taught in other states:

"Church explained it like this: If there are two lanes in the same direction then the motorist is required to drive in the right lane.

But, he said, there are several exceptions: Motorists may drive in the left lane if passing, if there is a continuous flow of traffic, if turning left, or if on the freeway (i.e., the "expressway") and there are three or more lanes in one direction.

“This is primarily enforced on the expressway,” Church said. “In fact, I have never heard of an officer enforcing it anywhere else.”

“I do know of a few instances where officers did issue citations, but the magistrates seem to frown upon those tickets,” he said.

Also, Church added, the "substantially continuous lanes of traffic..." referred to in the law is undefined. It essentially means "bumper to bumper" traffic, but officers generally use a lot of discretion, he said."

Traffic talk: Is it legal to travel in the left lane? Is it illegal to pass on the right? Can you be cited? | MLive.com (http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2011/03/traffic_talk_is_is_legal_to_tr.html)


I know that is true for Michigan Law, no passing on right.
However it is legal in Florida
Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0300-0399/0316/Sections/0316.084.html)

[goodtimesintv]

I know that is true for Michigan Law, no passing on right.
However it is legal in Florida
Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0300-0399/0316/Sections/0316.084.html)

I was not talking about passing on the right. I was talking about both lanes being full, bumper to bumper traffic....and half of all the vehicles must use the left lane 'cuz there's nowhere else to be, especially if you have a left turn coming up in a few blocks.

[Topspinmo]

Why would the right lanes be clogged?? Left lane is for passing!! You come up on a slow vehicle in the right lane, signal - pass - and return to the right lane.

If only the idiots that drive on the interstate where it is 3 lanes wide, would understand that the middle lane is not for cruising. It is a passing lane, just like the 3rd (left) lane is! I almost always drive in the right lane and I end up passing people in the middle and left lane (on their right)! Why are you idiots in the middle lane? Not very often you make a left off the interstate system.
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DRIVE IN THE RIGHT LANE!!

So when pull up to stop light everybody should be in the right lane.
On 6 lane highway the right lane for merging traffic around towns, the middle lane for through traffic, and the left lane for passing and speeder's.

I like the idiots that tailgate in left lane when there is no where to go cause all lanes are clogged with traffic like on 27/441 through the villages.

[looneycat]

I just saw one of those portable signs belonging to the police dept that flashes the following message:
"Stay in right lane unless passing. It's the law"

I hope this means they are going to start ticketing some of these left lane laggards. News6 also has a story about them.Slow left lane driving can result in citation (http://www.clickorlando.com/traffic/slow-left-lane-driving-can-result-in-citation)

on a road with roundabouts it defeats their purpose.

[Kevin and Luci]

Wasn't there a song about this? Sign, sign, everywhere a sign
Blockin' out the scenery, breakin' my mind
Do this, don't do that, can't you read the sign?............

[JMEZARIC3]

I just saw one of those portable signs belonging to the police dept that flashes the following message:
"Stay in right lane unless passing. It's the law"

I hope this means they are going to start ticketing some of these left lane laggards. News6 also has a story about them.Slow left lane driving can result in citation (http://www.clickorlando.com/traffic/slow-left-lane-driving-can-result-in-citation)

When 466 is busy you need to take your position in the left lane long before you make a left turn.If you wait to change lanes you may not have a safe opening.If all traffic was going 45 this would not be an issue but you have folks going 30 and others 60.
I am sure the law states unless passing or turning left.

[looneycat]

I just saw one of those portable signs belonging to the police dept that flashes the following message:
"Stay in right lane unless passing. It's the law"

I hope this means they are going to start ticketing some of these left lane laggards. News6 also has a story about them.Slow left lane driving can result in citation (http://www.clickorlando.com/traffic/slow-left-lane-driving-can-result-in-citation)

there are a good number of exceptions. like a continuous traffic flow allows for use of the left lane. the slow driving law does not allow tailgating someone doing the limit...if you want to do 70 in a 60 you are breaking the law in any lane.

[spring_chicken]

On a county road like 466 here, when both lanes are full of "continuous traffic" half the vehicles MUST drive in the left lane because two lanes of space are occupied--full!

When there is "continuous traffic" i.e. bumper to bumper in the right lane, when you pass them there is no space to merge yourself back into the right lane after passing!

A four-lane road like 466 with lots of left turns, stop lights, and cars turning right ONTO 466 from a dead stop and having to accelerate (such as from the gas stations at Southern Trace) is not the same as the interstate where there's a minimum speed, most are going the speed limit continuously, and nobody is slowing to almost a halt to turn onto another street.



[/COLOR]

466 is 6 lanes, not 4, when exiting the gas stations at Southern Trace.

[Record10ti]

there are a good number of exceptions. like a continuous traffic flow allows for use of the left lane. the slow driving law does not allow tailgating someone doing the limit...if you want to do 70 in a 60 you are breaking the law in any lane.

Unless the state has intelligent law makers and has a "go with the flow" clause. If the majority of traffic is doing 70 and you are doing 55 in a lane (but for the far right)...then YOU as the slow idiot are the one impeding traffic. That would be a real tough one for the folks in the Villages driving the moronic electric cars (typically a Toyota Pious).

[Bay Kid]

Makes sense.

[Walter123]

I just saw one of those portable signs belonging to the police dept that flashes the following message:
"Stay in right lane unless passing. It's the law"

I hope this means they are going to start ticketing some of these left lane laggards. News6 also has a story about them.Slow left lane driving can result in citation (http://www.clickorlando.com/traffic/slow-left-lane-driving-can-result-in-citation)

I saw that sign, I had to slow down to read it. But seriously folks, a "law" like that is going nowhere around here, especially in the nutty season. Unless you're going 20 mph in the left lane no cop in their right mind is gonna give you a ticket and if they wanted to pull you over there would be no room in the right lane. Just think of all the excuses you could use. Oh, and am I the only one concerned about the two school zones on 466?
I say the heck with the sign and, full speed ahead at 40 mph in the left lane because that's as fast as your probably gonna get go on 466 anyway. I'll take my chances and drive the way the situation demands. Like I said before, leave this law for limited access highways. This law won't stop road rage, it will make it worse because the speeders will think they have the law on their side and that's gonna make them even more aggressive. :police: :police:

[graciegirl]

On a county road like 466 here, when both lanes are full of "continuous traffic" half the vehicles MUST drive in the left lane because two lanes of space are occupied--full!

When there is "continuous traffic" i.e. bumper to bumper in the right lane, when you pass them there is no space to merge yourself back into the right lane after passing!

A four-lane road like 466 with lots of left turns, stop lights, and cars turning right ONTO 466 from a dead stop and having to accelerate (such as from the gas stations at Southern Trace) is not the same as the interstate where there's a minimum speed, most are going the speed limit continuously, and nobody is slowing to almost a halt to turn onto another street.

Driving involves the driver making judgement calls all day long. This is a Michigan article, but the concept is the same, and this section below is how many of us were taught in other states:

"Church explained it like this: If there are two lanes in the same direction then the motorist is required to drive in the right lane.

But, he said, there are several exceptions: Motorists may drive in the left lane if passing, if there is a continuous flow of traffic, if turning left, or if on the freeway (i.e., the "expressway") and there are three or more lanes in one direction.

“This is primarily enforced on the expressway,” Church said. “In fact, I have never heard of an officer enforcing it anywhere else.”

“I do know of a few instances where officers did issue citations, but the magistrates seem to frown upon those tickets,” he said.

Also, Church added, the "substantially continuous lanes of traffic..." referred to in the law is undefined. It essentially means "bumper to bumper" traffic, but officers generally use a lot of discretion, he said."

Traffic talk: Is it legal to travel in the left lane? Is it illegal to pass on the right? Can you be cited? | MLive.com (http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2011/03/traffic_talk_is_is_legal_to_tr.html)





You are right. In the high season here, 466 is very clogged in both lanes and all of this discussion is not relevant at all. I still say...remain calm, do not personalize driving behavior. Stay well away from bad drivers if you can. AND DON'T allow others driving behavior to get to you.

[Walter123]

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[kstew43]

Slow down, turn up the music..look around at the pretty flowers their planting...

Whats the hurry....

I never want to die in a car accident....laying on the side of the road under a yellow tarp....everybody slowing down to catch a glimpse of the dead person...:angel:

[Walter123]

Slow down, turn up the music..look around at the pretty flowers their planting...

Whats the hurry....

I never want to die in a car accident....laying on the side of the road under a yellow tarp....everybody slowing down to catch a glimpse of the dead person...:angel:

You got that right! Reminds me of the song "Feeling Groovy". Slow down you move too fast, got to make the morning last.

[MnGirl]

I guess that's why they put up the sign (some still don't get it). If you are driving less that the speed limit and you are in the left lane, impeding traffic driving along side of someone else, you should get a ticket. That's what it's about, that's all.

[goodtimesintv]

I guess that's why they put up the sign (some still don't get it). If you are driving less that the speed limit and you are in the left lane, impeding traffic driving along side of someone else, you should get a ticket. That's what it's about, that's all.

Yeah, right. In your judgement, we should be ticketed for having no opening on our right, which makes us unable to merge back into the right lane ahead of the bumper-to-bumper string of cars--going the speed limit--that we just passed.

And we should be ticketed for being in the left lane and having to slow down for the yellow or red light up ahead (which happens every 1/4 mile or less on hwy 466 here).

PPPfffffffffftttttttttttt!!

[looneycat]

Unless the state has intelligent law makers and has a "go with the flow" clause. If the majority of traffic is doing 70 and you are doing 55 in a lane (but for the far right)...then YOU as the slow idiot are the one impeding traffic. That would be a real tough one for the folks in the Villages driving the moronic electric cars (typically a Toyota Pious).

i believe that's impeding the flow, and how can one doing the legal speed LIMIT, notice the word limit, be impeding the flow of traffic...with the exception of emergency vehicles, not being an idiot, i didn't think you meant the obvious doing 55 in a 70, did you?? :police:

[rubicon]

I just saw one of those portable signs belonging to the police dept that flashes the following message:
"Stay in right lane unless passing. It's the law"

I hope this means they are going to start ticketing some of these left lane laggards. News6 also has a story about them.Slow left lane driving can result in citation (http://www.clickorlando.com/traffic/slow-left-lane-driving-can-result-in-citation)

spring chicken: I was heading east on 466 about 8:20 AM this morning. In the left lane at 45mph. Traffic light. Suddenly passing me on the right and quickly widening our gap was this large white pick up truck . On the back of that pick up truck it said "SHERIFF" and then Vehicle repossessed from drug dealer:D

do as say not as I do. Hmmmm

[Topspinmo]

spring chicken: I was heading east on 466 about 8:20 AM this morning. In the left lane at 45mph. Traffic light. Suddenly passing me on the right and quickly widening our gap was this large white pick up truck . On the back of that pick up truck it said "SHERIFF" and then Vehicle repossessed from drug dealer:D

do as say not as I do. Hmmmm

The law is only for us citzens. The LEOS are exempt. Don't say they're have to.?

Who's going to give them ticket?

In prefect world the left lane for faster moving vehicles and no passing on the right. Now we are out of Laa Laa land, it's never going to happen.

[Polar Bear]

spring chicken: I was heading east on 466 about 8:20 AM this morning. In the left lane at 45mph. Traffic light. Suddenly passing me on the right and quickly widening our gap was this large white pick up truck . On the back of that pick up truck it said "SHERIFF" and then Vehicle repossessed from drug dealer:D

do as say not as I do. Hmmmm
Not sure as I see the problem. :confused:

[dbussone]

i believe that's impeding the flow, and how can one doing the legal speed LIMIT, notice the word limit, be impeding the flow of traffic...with the exception of emergency vehicles, not being an idiot, i didn't think you meant the obvious doing 55 in a 70, did you?? :police:



LC - as I understand the law, the speed limit is not the issue. It's more an issue of taking up residence in the left lane, no matter what your speed.

[Polar Bear]

LC - as I understand the law, the speed limit is not the issue. It's more an issue of taking up residence in the left lane, no matter what your speed.
Exactly right. According to the law you cannot block faster traffic in the left lane even if they...or even you...are exceeding the speed limit.

[ColdNoMore]

Exactly right. According to the law you cannot block faster traffic in the left lane even if they...or even you...are exceeding the speed limit.

Excellent point and an interesting thread.

Although not too many will ever admit to it, it's been my experience that a lot of folks enjoy the feeling of power and control when they can keep people from passing them.

The way I see it, is that if there is room for me in the right lane that is where I stay (and belong), unless I am coming up soon on a left hand turn (which I can almost always safely move over) or I decide to pass someone.

Unlike some folks, I don't feel it is my job to regulate those who choose to drive in the left lane faster than the speed limit.

Just my $.02 worth.

[BobnBev]

spring chicken: I was heading east on 466 about 8:20 AM this morning. In the left lane at 45mph. Traffic light. Suddenly passing me on the right and quickly widening our gap was this large white pick up truck . On the back of that pick up truck it said "SHERIFF" and then Vehicle repossessed from drug dealer:D

do as say not as I do. Hmmmm

Why were you in the LEFT lane going 45. Why not the RIGHT lane where you belong. As far as him speeding, there are many reasons, none of which you would be aware of. Just sayin.

[Walter123]

Why were you in the LEFT lane going 45. Why not the RIGHT lane where you belong. As far as him speeding, there are many reasons, none of which you would be aware of. Just sayin.

Simple, he was gonna make a left soon. My question is why didn't the cop passing on the right give rubicon a ticket?

[Topspinmo]

Simple, he was gonna make a left soon. My question is why didn't the cop passing on the right give rubicon a ticket?


Because he was not breaking the law maybe. It's only a suggestion.
I could see it now I am giving you ticket for going the speed limit in th left lane even though you was going to make left turn, I didn't have my lights no when speeding in the right lane, and there was no traffic ahead of you, or go through in roundabout or in th through lane in the city. After all we should all be lined up in the right lane at stop lights and stop sign.

[spring_chicken]

Because he was not breaking the law maybe. It's only a suggestion.
I could see it now I am giving you ticket for going the speed limit in th left lane even though you was going to make left turn, I didn't have my lights no when speeding in the right lane, and there was no traffic ahead of you, or go through in roundabout or in th through lane in the city. After all we should all be lined up in the right lane at stop lights and stop sign.


See original post. It is not a suggestion, it IS the law.

[Walter123]

Because he was not breaking the law maybe. It's only a suggestion.
I could see it now I am giving you ticket for going the speed limit in th left lane even though you was going to make left turn, I didn't have my lights no when speeding in the right lane, and there was no traffic ahead of you, or go through in roundabout or in th through lane in the city. After all we should all be lined up in the right lane at stop lights and stop sign.

I am not an advocate of the new law. BTW, it is a law and not a suggestion. My point being that if the police went to enough trouble to put up a big sign then why aren't they enforcing it? I'll answer my own question....Because it's a stupid law for local roads.

[blueash]

I saw that sign today...stuck behind a car in the left lane on 466 going about 42 mph pretty much from Chula Vista Ave to More!

You were STUCK behind a car going 42 in a 45 MPH zone for an entire 1.5 miles? I love doing math. That terrible awful so slow driver cost you an entire 7.8 seconds of your life you're never going to get back. Or about the amount of time involved in taking one slow deep breath. Ommm

[graciegirl]

You were STUCK behind a car going 42 in a 45 MPH zone for an entire 1.5 miles? I love doing math. That terrible awful so slow driver cost you an entire 7.8 seconds of your life you're never going to get back. Or about the amount of time involved in taking one slow deep breath. Ommm

I have said this before. You are VERY smart. Be sure to be patient with the rest of us.;)

[GaryW]

I sometimes think the law is crazy, until yesterday,,
Made a right turn onto 466 from Rolling acers,, there were few cars in front of me,, 2 of the cars went right into the left lane. the car in the right lane was doing 30 mph, and the first car in the left lane 30. side by side all the way to Morse. Then from the red lite at Morse and 466, they stayed side by side half way to Buena Vista.

I almost chewed my finger nails off. The car in the right line finally got in front of the car in the left lane. I know there were at least 30 cars behind me.

Now sure I know it cost you 10 min of your life. That is not the point,, stay right unless passing. If you need to get into the left lane to turn 10 miles down the road, you might have a issue or 2. Speed Limit is 45 or what ever. Doing 15 under side by side. The one lady could hardly see over her steering wheel. Made me want to get off the road.

Just Sayin.

[Mikeod]

You were STUCK behind a car going 42 in a 45 MPH zone for an entire 1.5 miles? I love doing math. That terrible awful so slow driver cost you an entire 7.8 seconds of your life you're never going to get back. Or about the amount of time involved in taking one slow deep breath. Ommm
There was an article in the online paper by the police chief of Lady Lake about road rage. He mentioned the #1 cause was someone impeding traffic in the left lane. Speed was immaterial. So the problem is not that someone may make you several seconds late for your destination, it is a known contributor to road rage which is a more serious problem. Remember that roads like 466 are not our roads, but are used by people young and old daily. I'm certain anyone who drives to and about large cities will note the increase in aggressive driving with a younger mix of drivers. We have some of that mix along these roads. It would serve us well to let these people pass no matter what their or our speed. I have never had a problem getting into the left lane to make a left turn because of faster drivers. I have, however, had problems doing that when someone has "parked" in the left lane and there was a long line of cars behind. It is a daily occurrence on 466 approaching Morse or Rolling Acres to get into the left lane behind someone going slow and I assume they are turning left. Only to see them proceed straight through the intersection continuing to block that lane.

And, it is the law.

[Topspinmo]

See original post. It is not a suggestion, it IS the law.

So is stopping BEHIND stop signs, at stop signs, behind white lines painted as stop signs. Now shall we get in to who has the right away at 4 way stops IAW the law?

For all you left lane speeder thinking ever else is going to drive in the right lane so you can spend on by. Good luck. Posting that sign on city street is plain stupid. Yes even when entering small town of lady lake that everybody passes through. Could of at least had it exiting the city.

They need over by Walmart on 441 I can just see everybody in the right lane at the multiple stops signs down the bumper to bumper traffic in all three lanes.

[graciegirl]

There was an article in the online paper by the police chief of Lady Lake about road rage. He mentioned the #1 cause was someone impeding traffic in the left lane. Speed was immaterial. So the problem is not that someone may make you several seconds late for your destination, it is a known contributor to road rage which is a more serious problem. Remember that roads like 466 are not our roads, but are used by people young and old daily. I'm certain anyone who drives to and about large cities will note the increase in aggressive driving with a younger mix of drivers. We have some of that mix along these roads. It would serve us well to let these people pass no matter what their or our speed. I have never had a problem getting into the left lane to make a left turn because of faster drivers. I have, however, had problems doing that when someone has "parked" in the left lane and there was a long line of cars behind. It is a daily occurrence on 466 approaching Morse or Rolling Acres to get into the left lane behind someone going slow and I assume they are turning left. Only to see them proceed straight through the intersection continuing to block that lane.

And, it is the law.


Well said.

As usual.

Had you thought about running for president?

[kstew43]

Just a thought..

I drive a 2015 nissan sentra.

When I pass the police speed indicators that we have in our south florida neighborhoods..... my car registers 2 to 3 miles under the speed our speedometer is indicating? Its also evident on my GPS speed register.

We called Nissan and were told that they do that deliberatly???? This is supposed to assist drivers to not get speeding tickets....

So before you get mad at someone going 42 in a 45. Check to see if its a nissan. we think were going the correct speed.

[goodtimesintv]

I sometimes think the law is crazy, until yesterday,,
Made a right turn onto 466 from Rolling acers,, there were few cars in front of me,, 2 of the cars went right into the left lane. the car in the right lane was doing 30 mph, and the first car in the left lane 30. side by side all the way to Morse. Then from the red lite at Morse and 466, they stayed side by side half way to Buena Vista.

I almost chewed my finger nails off. The car in the right line finally got in front of the car in the left lane. I know there were at least 30 cars behind me.

Now sure I know it cost you 10 min of your life. That is not the point,, stay right unless passing. If you need to get into the left lane to turn 10 miles down the road, you might have a issue or 2. Speed Limit is 45 or what ever. Doing 15 under side by side. The one lady could hardly see over her steering wheel. Made me want to get off the road.

Just Sayin.

We all (I hope) see your point, but under typical circumstances, the drivers in both lanes are not going (poozeydookin' along) that slowly. The clueless driver on the left should have been stopped for not going at a reasonable speed under the conditions.

As I remember it, the notion of "left lane is passing lane" came to be on interstate highways where the speed limit was 65 and there are minimum speed limits to stay above.

I remember a time about 10 years ago, when some states made the left lane of the interstate highways the designated, required lane that semi-trucks had to use. (I think because entrance ramp cars had such a terrible time merging into the right lane with strings of semi trucks staying in the right lane because "left lane was 'passing' lane" was causing huge problems for those trying to merge into the right lane.)

I can think of many times where I've had to merge from an interstate or expressway entrance ramp into the right lane traffic going 55 mph or 65 mph, and the entrance lane is quickly ending. That is when we want the cars/trucks to get over into the left lane so we can merge in. Calling the left lane "passing only" simply is not feasible.

The local county roads like 466 are not interstate or expressway, non-stopping or non-slowing roads. Here, there are all kinds of reasons like high number of cars, frequent left turns to slow down for, frequent store/gas station driveways on the right from which people need to sometime come out onto the right lane after waiting and waiting for the string of cars to clear.

The "left lane is passing lane only" is not a good solution for local, county roads like these here. The left lane has to have other uses besides passing, and sometimes there is no opening on the right to get back into after passing, or there's a stoplight coming up frequently.

[Walter123]

So is stopping BEHIND stop signs, at stop signs, behind white lines painted as stop signs. Now shall we get in to who has the right away at 4 way stops IAW the law?

For all you left lane speeder thinking ever else is going to drive in the right lane so you can spend on by. Good luck. Posting that sign on city street is plain stupid. Yes even when entering small town of lady lake that everybody passes through. Could of at least had it exiting the city.

They need over by Walmart on 441 I can just see everybody in the right lane at the multiple stops signs down the bumper to bumper traffic in all three lanes.

Well said.

As usual.

Had you thought about running for president?

[Polar Bear]

...For all you left lane speeder thinking ever else is going to drive in the right lane so you can spend on by. Good luck...
You have absolutely no idea what the law says or what it is intended to accomplish.

[Miles42]

By the way if they ticket you for a clear notified infraction. The sign is really obvious. Take your whinning to court and see if it helps LOL

[rubicon]

Not sure as I see the problem. :confused:

1) the sheriff passed me like I was standing still.

2) according to the message they are displaying there is no passing on the right. the sheriff passed me on the right.

3) I like what he did but if I did i it would cost me a fine and points on my license. NO JUSTICE NO PEACE:)

[rubicon]

Why were you in the LEFT lane going 45. Why not the RIGHT lane where you belong. As far as him speeding, there are many reasons, none of which you would be aware of. Just sayin.

BobnBev: your avatar speaks to why I am careful what i say on TOTV

[Polar Bear]

1) the sheriff passed me like I was standing still.

2) according to the message they are displaying there is no passing on the right. the sheriff passed me on the right.

3) I like what he did but if I did i it would cost me a fine and points on my license. NO JUSTICE NO PEACE:)
He's the Sheriff.

Not sure as I see the problem. :confused:

[outlaw]

Well said.

As usual.

Had you thought about running for president?

Well said?! You're kidding, right? Please translate for those of us who only understand English.:a20:

[rubicon]

LC - as I understand the law, the speed limit is not the issue. It's more an issue of taking up residence in the left lane, no matter what your speed.

dbussone: the speed limit on 466 from 441 to 301 except for school zones, etc is 45mph and beyond 301 can be upward of 55mph.

In my view 45 mph is too slow. I say this because some drivers insist on doing 35mph or under and often they stay in the left lane and stay abreast with those drivers in the right hand lane. hence many drivers are completley blocked off. This scenario often plays out on 466 frustrating many driver. if the speed limit changed to 35mph then they be going 25-30mph...its a badge of honor

LOE recent posting is going to cause more confusion because you are never going to get 100% of people to be compliant to rules that make little or no sense. People will make the necessary move when it opens. if a guy is going below 45mph in the left lane a driver behind him is likely to go to the right lane to get around this slower driver and then back into the left lane and proceed at 45mph +

If people did follow what the LOE are suggesting 466 would be a bottleneck Monday thru Friday. Morning traffic is heavy for those gong to work as is afternoon when they go home.

[rubicon]

Simple, he was gonna make a left soon. My question is why didn't the cop passing on the right give rubicon a ticket?

Aren't you the guy that believes the solution to the 466 traffic issue is to lower the speed limit on 466 to 35mph. traffic is painfully slow on 466 and your solution is to go slower. Really?

and what would the cop give me a ticket for? I mean I was at the legal speed limit and I couldn't move to the right lane with a cop moving much faster than me on my right. Walter Walter Walter....123 You are certainly feeling your oats. God bless your heart

By the way the difference between a critique and criticism is more than the (q) but that's a lesson for another day.

Personal Best Regards:

[dbussone]

Just a thought..

I drive a 2015 nissan sentra.

When I pass the police speed indicators that we have in our south florida neighborhoods..... my car registers 2 to 3 miles under the speed our speedometer is indicating? Its also evident on my GPS speed register.

We called Nissan and were told that they do that deliberatly???? This is supposed to assist drivers to not get speeding tickets....

So before you get mad at someone going 42 in a 45. Check to see if its a nissan. we think were going the correct speed.

Perhaps a class action is in order, kinda like the malfunctioning airbags in many autos?

I'd prefer any instrument that accurately reflects what it is intended to measure.

[dbussone]

dbussone: the speed limit on 466 from 441 to 301 except for school zones, etc is 45mph and beyond 301 can be upward of 55mph.



In my view 45 mph is too slow. I say this because some drivers insist on doing 35mph or under and often they stay in the left lane and stay abreast with those drivers in the right hand lane. hence many drivers are completley blocked off. This scenario often plays out on 466 frustrating many driver. if the speed limit changed to 35mph then they be going 25-30mph...its a badge of honor



LOE recent posting is going to cause more confusion because you are never going to get 100% of people to be compliant to rules that make little or no sense. People will make the necessary move when it opens. if a guy is going below 45mph in the left lane a driver behind him is likely to go to the right lane to get around this slower driver and then back into the left lane and proceed at 45mph +



If people did follow what the LOE are suggesting 466 would be a bottleneck Monday thru Friday. Morning traffic is heavy for those gong to work as is afternoon when they go home.



I agree Rubicon. But I think it still boils down, in many cases, to the driving impaired and self-centered narcissists feeling the surge of power from blocking 60 cars behind them. If they moved to the right the left lane could move at a much more reasonable pace.

[ColdNoMore]

After reading a lot of the responses, I think I'll stick with my original observation. :popcorn:


Although not too many will ever admit to it, it's been my experience that a lot of folks enjoy the feeling of power and control when they can keep people from passing them.

Unlike some folks, I don't feel it is my job to regulate those who choose to drive in the left lane faster than the speed limit.

[dbussone]

After reading a lot of the responses, I think I'll stick with my original observation. :popcorn:



Then welcome to your new theme song:

"I love the sense of camaraderie when an entire line of cars team
up to prevent a jerk from cutting in at the front. Stay strong,
brothers and sisters!"

[Walter123]

Aren't you the guy that believes the solution to the 466 traffic issue is to lower the speed limit on 466 to 35mph. traffic is painfully slow on 466 and your solution is to go slower. Really?

and what would the cop give me a ticket for? I mean I was at the legal speed limit and I couldn't move to the right lane with a cop moving much faster than me on my right. Walter Walter Walter....123 You are certainly feeling your oats. God bless your heart

By the way the difference between a critique and criticism is more than the (q) but that's a lesson for another day.

Personal Best Regards:

Rubi, rubi, ru (sounds like a Frank Sinatra song) If you read all of my posts you would have seen that I was kinda defending you being in the left lane while the cop passed you in the right lane. It's the post where I said the law is stupid. Oh, and the speed limit isn't 45 mph from 441 to 301, it starts out as 35 at 441 then it goes to 40 mph then 45 just before Rolling Acres.
You have a good memory though! But, the law states that even if you are going the speed limit in the left lane and some yahoo wants to go faster, you could be issued a summons. That's why I said the law was stupid. It's not good for local roads and should be enforced on roads like the turnpike and I75.

[Walter123]

Well said?! You're kidding, right? Please translate for those of us who only understand English.:a20:

LOL, I was referring more to content and not so much proper eingrish. :a20:

[Walter123]

I agree Rubicon. But I think it still boils down, in many cases, to the driving impaired and self-centered narcissists feeling the surge of power from blocking 60 cars behind them. If they moved to the right the left lane could move at a much more reasonable pace.

People driving while impaired and self centered narcissists in The Villages?

No way!!!!:bowdown:

[Topspinmo]

You have absolutely no idea what the law says or what it is intended to accomplish.


I know exactly what the law says. I was the one the posted in 6 month ago when this can up for the umpteen time.
IT IS NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN On multi-lane highways. I understand if I am going 100 mph in the left lane and some ones going 110mph I move over which I do even when I am speeding. No police officer going give anyone ticket driving in the left lane IF THEY ARE NOT impeding traffic period. Why? They have more Important fish to fry.

Now if the law has changed please post the change. I am too lazy to look it up again.

[Polar Bear]

I know exactly what the law says. I was the one the posted in 6 month ago when this can up for the umpteen time.

IT IS NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN On multi-lane highways. I understand if I am going 100 mph in the left lane and some ones going 110mph I move over which I do even when I am speeding. No police officer going give anyone ticket driving in the left lane IF THEY ARE NOT impeding traffic period. Why? They have more Important fish to fry.



Now if the law has changed please post the change. I am too lazy to look it up again.

None of which has anything to do with your previous post I was disagreeing with.

[Topspinmo]

He's the Sheriff.

Not sure as I see the problem. :confused:

When on routine patrol or in civilian vehicle LEOS are suppose follow traffic laws like the rest of use. But, you right! Who going to give them ticket, citzen arrest :1rotfl:

I see a few leos breaking ever about traffic law when not responding to what ever. Not using turns signals, not stopping behind stop signs, rolling through stop signs, changing lane without signaling to name few. For fantasy no one is above the law.

[GaryW]

There was an article in the online paper by the police chief of Lady Lake about road rage. He mentioned the #1 cause was someone impeding traffic in the left lane. Speed was immaterial. So the problem is not that someone may make you several seconds late for your destination, it is a known contributor to road rage which is a more serious problem. Remember that roads like 466 are not our roads, but are used by people young and old daily. I'm certain anyone who drives to and about large cities will note the increase in aggressive driving with a younger mix of drivers. We have some of that mix along these roads. It would serve us well to let these people pass no matter what their or our speed. I have never had a problem getting into the left lane to make a left turn because of faster drivers. I have, however, had problems doing that when someone has "parked" in the left lane and there was a long line of cars behind. It is a daily occurrence on 466 approaching Morse or Rolling Acres to get into the left lane behind someone going slow and I assume they are turning left. Only to see them proceed straight through the intersection continuing to block that lane.

And, it is the law.

:bigbow::bigbow:

[GaryW]

We all (I hope) see your point, but under typical circumstances, the drivers in both lanes are not going (poozeydookin' along) that slowly. The clueless driver on the left should have been stopped for not going at a reasonable speed under the conditions.

As I remember it, the notion of "left lane is passing lane" came to be on interstate highways where the speed limit was 65 and there are minimum speed limits to stay above.

I remember a time about 10 years ago, when some states made the left lane of the interstate highways the designated, required lane that semi-trucks had to use. (I think because entrance ramp cars had such a terrible time merging into the right lane with strings of semi trucks staying in the right lane because "left lane was 'passing' lane" was causing huge problems for those trying to merge into the right lane.)

I can think of many times where I've had to merge from an interstate or expressway entrance ramp into the right lane traffic going 55 mph or 65 mph, and the entrance lane is quickly ending. That is when we want the cars/trucks to get over into the left lane so we can merge in. Calling the left lane "passing only" simply is not feasible.

The local county roads like 466 are not interstate or expressway, non-stopping or non-slowing roads. Here, there are all kinds of reasons like high number of cars, frequent left turns to slow down for, frequent store/gas station driveways on the right from which people need to sometime come out onto the right lane after waiting and waiting for the string of cars to clear.

The "left lane is passing lane only" is not a good solution for local, county roads like these here. The left lane has to have other uses besides passing, and sometimes there is no opening on the right to get back into after passing, or there's a stoplight coming up frequently.

The exact point for the road sign to stay right. No one is saying stay in the right lane so people can speed by you. Not what so ever. It helps keep the traffic flowing. The car in the left should have gotten stopped, but no police around. But if you follow the sign, then there is not the issue. That is what the sign and law of the lane is for.

As far as the Big trucks on the interstate, The left lane is forbidden for a tractor-trailer to use if there are 3 or more lanes in most states, Got out on 75 and you will see signs stating that. The reason is because you got a lot of trucks that were set to 60 or 65 mph by their company. If a truck gets caught in the left lane or lanes then it is ticket time. 150.00 on I-285 loop in Atlanta. Got one of those tickets years back.

It is just common courtesy to stay right. I had my daughter driving on 466 the other day, We were in the right lane doing maybe 45. 2 cars approached us from behind. moving faster than we were by far. Told her just keep your speed, they will go by us.

[rubicon]

He's the Sheriff.

Not sure as I see the problem. :confused:

We are a nation of that adheres to the "rule of law". the "rule of law" says no one is above the law. Are you saying that this sheriff is above the law? are you saying only us commoners are subject to the law? don't bother responding they are rhetorical questions

[rubicon]

Rubi, rubi, ru (sounds like a Frank Sinatra song) If you read all of my posts you would have seen that I was kinda defending you being in the left lane while the cop passed you in the right lane. It's the post where I said the law is stupid. Oh, and the speed limit isn't 45 mph from 441 to 301, it starts out as 35 at 441 then it goes to 40 mph then 45 just before Rolling Acres.
You have a good memory though! But, the law states that even if you are going the speed limit in the left lane and some yahoo wants to go faster, you could be issued a summons. That's why I said the law was stupid. It's not good for local roads and should be enforced on roads like the turnpike and I75.

fair enough and it s all good. for ease of reading sake I wasn't about to give a detailed account of the various speed zones all the way up and down 466

all of this conversation is really about the growing pangs in The villages and surrounding communities. the infrastructure is simply not keeping up.

Personal Best Regards:

[Topspinmo]

316.081 Driving on right side of roadway; exceptions.—
(1) Upon all roadways of sufficient width, a vehicle shall be driven upon the right half of the roadway, except as follows:
(a) When overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction under the rules governing such movement;

(b) When an obstruction exists making it necessary to drive to the left of the center of the highway; provided any person so doing shall yield the right-of-way to all vehicles traveling in the proper direction upon the unobstructed portion of the highway within such distance as to constitute an immediate hazard;

(c) Upon a roadway divided into three marked lanes for traffic under the rules applicable thereon; or

(d) Upon a roadway designated and signposted for one-way traffic.

(2) Upon all roadways, any vehicle proceeding at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing shall be driven in the right-hand lane then available for traffic or as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway except when overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction or when preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a private road or driveway.

(3) On a road, street, or highway having two or more lanes allowing movement in the same direction, a driver may not continue to operate a motor vehicle in the furthermost left-hand lane if the driver knows or reasonably should know that he or she is being overtaken in that lane from the rear by a motor vehicle traveling at a higher rate of speed. This subsection does not apply to drivers operating a vehicle that is overtaking another vehicle proceeding in the same direction, or is preparing for a left turn at an intersection.

(4) Upon any roadway having four or more lanes for moving traffic and providing for two-way movement of traffic, no vehicle shall be driven to the left of the centerline of the roadway, except when authorized by official traffic control devices designating certain lanes to the left side of the center of the roadway for use by traffic not otherwise permitted to use such lanes, or except as permitted under paragraph (1)(b). However, this subsection shall not be construed as prohibiting the crossing of the centerline in making a left turn into or from an alley, private road, or driveway.

(5) A violation of this section is a noncriminal traffic infraction, punishable as a moving violation as provided in chapter 318.

The LAW everybody talking about. I especially like para. (3) and the BIG IF word. :popcorn::boom:

[Walter123]

fair enough and it s all good. for ease of reading sake I wasn't about to give a detailed account of the various speed zones all the way up and down 466

all of this conversation is really about the growing pangs in The villages and surrounding communities. the infrastructure is simply not keeping up.

Personal Best Regards:

Rubie, Your previous posts have always been precise and factual to the point of being way beyond the ease of reading and I say that with the utmost respect. You are a gentleman and a scholar.

The second part of the above quoted post refers to the growing pangs in The Villages and surrounding communities. This is exactly why I think the speed limit on 466 should be lowered at least in the heavily commercialized area between Buena Vista and 301. I know that quite a few do not agree and that's ok but I feel that there are too many entrances and exits and too many drivers that don't know precisely when they need to turn either left or right due to unfamiliarity of the area, senior driving habits, or the "I'm retired and not in a hurry" attitude. Couple that with the still working class of drivers that are in a hurry and like to drive 5 mph over the speed limit because that is what is the nationally accepted amount over the speed limit is where supposedly you won't get a ticket and, you have a recipe for disaster. Then throw in the school zones and railroad crossing in the exact area I'm referring to. It can't happen but too bad an express lane couldn't be added. With all of the new construction going on in that area it's only gonna get worse. If I'm going to Wal-Mart I take 462 to 301 and avoid Buena Vista as much as I can but even that's an issue because it's very hard to make a right onto 301 where the speed limit is 55 mph. Another reason to shop online as much as possible. And now my index fingers need a rest..........

[Polar Bear]

...Are you saying that this sheriff is above the law? are you saying only us commoners are subject to the law? don't bother responding they are rhetorical questions

No.

No.

Are you saying you know all the extenuating circumstances the Sheriff was dealing with?

Don't bother responding...just on general principles.

[Miles42]

Food fight lol

[goodtimesintv]

The exact point for the road sign to stay right. No one is saying stay in the right lane so people can speed by you. Not what so ever. It helps keep the traffic flowing. The car in the left should have gotten stopped, but no police around. But if you follow the sign, then there is not the issue. That is what the sign and law of the lane is for.

As far as the Big trucks on the interstate, The left lane is forbidden for a tractor-trailer to use if there are 3 or more lanes in most states, Got out on 75 and you will see signs stating that. The reason is because you got a lot of trucks that were set to 60 or 65 mph by their company. If a truck gets caught in the left lane or lanes then it is ticket time. 150.00 on I-285 loop in Atlanta. Got one of those tickets years back.

It is just common courtesy to stay right. I had my daughter driving on 466 the other day, We were in the right lane doing maybe 45. 2 cars approached us from behind. moving faster than we were by far. Told her just keep your speed, they will go by us.

My mention of semi trucks on the interstate (and some states who made it law for semis to use the LEFT lane) was to illustrate the serious problem states have had with semi's in a string in the right lane. Entrance-ramp merging cars could not get in and the entrance lane ends. Some of the states rescinded the "semis use left lane" law, but the problem still exists!

That is, the problem of everyone crammed in the right lane, while one or two lanes to the left are completely open, AND people are trying to merge in on the right and can't, because the right lane is full, bumper to bumper.

The two lanes to the left of the right lane were built to handle vehicle volume, not just passing.

[Polar Bear]

...The two lanes to the left of the right lane were built to handle vehicle volume, not just passing.
The conversation has been about the left lane, not the left two lanes. And when there is enough traffic on the road that volume is a true issue, the point is moot...those are not the conditions the "keep right" law addresses.

[Topspinmo]

My mention of semi trucks on the interstate (and some states who made it law for semis to use the LEFT lane) was to illustrate the serious problem states have had with semi's in a string in the right lane. Entrance-ramp merging cars could not get in and the entrance lane ends. Some of the states rescinded the "semis use left lane" law, but the problem still exists!

That is, the problem of everyone crammed in the right lane, while one or two lanes to the left are completely open, AND people are trying to merge in on the right and can't, because the right lane is full, bumper to bumper.

The two lanes to the left of the right lane were built to handle vehicle volume, not just passing.


I agree, Most drivers know when going through city the left lane or lanes for through traffic leaving the right lanes or lanes depending on how many lanes for merging or exiting. going through city in the right lane is as dangerous as some one driving way under the speed limit in the left lane. IMO More dangerous due to some knuckleheads don't look or yield to traffic when the merge, they just force their way on.

[BobnBev]

10-4 on the knuckleheads. Happened to me several times while driving my 45' motorhome. The solution?, those super loud air horns that got their attention instantly.

[rubicon]

My mention of semi trucks on the interstate (and some states who made it law for semis to use the LEFT lane) was to illustrate the serious problem states have had with semi's in a string in the right lane. Entrance-ramp merging cars could not get in and the entrance lane ends. Some of the states rescinded the "semis use left lane" law, but the problem still exists!

That is, the problem of everyone crammed in the right lane, while one or two lanes to the left are completely open, AND people are trying to merge in on the right and can't, because the right lane is full, bumper to bumper.

The two lanes to the left of the right lane were built to handle vehicle volume, not just passing.

Yes, how many cities charge for the privilege of using a HON lane. Perhaps it does not equate to the 466 issue but it does explain what happens when
lanes become overcrowded....something has to give

I frequent 466. I have purposefully stayed in the right lane since this thread went up. It is not much of an issue if traffic is light. However with heavy traffic for those who desire to maintain the 45mph limit you are going to find that you will be doing a lot of zig zagging to maintain 45mph.

If I read Topsinmo's post correctly a driver has to stay in the right lane EXCEPT if a roadway is posted as one way. 466 is one way two lane/three lane . Perhaps some may disagree and I understand there are some cowboys out there but most drivers do what makes sense. the tempo of their speed, making their move etc all seem to work in keeping traffic flowing.

466 like 466A get a lot of traffic from people going to work traveling on vacation, etc I understand the "I;m retired"sentiment but these roads exist for more than just villagers.

Admittedly I am a time management guy and very conscious of how my time is used...but in fairness to me "time" is our most precious commodity and once gone it cannot be replaced.

"some will say well what's a second more" and I'll respond with a second here a second there and pretty soon your talking about serious time:D

[dave from deland]

I just saw one of those portable signs belonging to the police dept that flashes the following message:
"Stay in right lane unless passing. It's the law"

I hope this means they are going to start ticketing some of these left lane laggards. News6 also has a story about them.Slow left lane driving can result in citation (http://www.clickorlando.com/traffic/slow-left-lane-driving-can-result-in-citation)The speed limit is the same for both lanes of a roadway. If you are going the speed limit in the left lane, there is no violation.

[Bogie Shooter]

But probably causing a hazard..................

[Polar Bear]

...If you are going the speed limit in the left lane, there is no violation.

There is no violation for speeding. But there still can be a violation for blocking traffic...yes...even traffic exceeding the speed limit.

[photo1902]

Driving south on 27/441 yesterday around 2pm, with heavy traffic, I thought how utterly preposterous it would be for everyone to be in the right lane unless making a left turn, passing, etc. The sign (and the law) are ridiculous for local roads that need 2 and sometimes 3 lanes to handle the traffic.

[ColdNoMore]

There is no violation for speeding. But there still can be a violation for blocking traffic...yes...even traffic exceeding the speed limit.

You are absolutely correct.

[Polar Bear]

...with heavy traffic, I thought how utterly preposterous it would be for everyone to be in the right lane unless making a left turn, passing, etc...

You're right. But the law in question simply does not apply to the situation you describe.

The law prohibits just cruising endlessly in the left lane blocking faster traffic when the right lane is available. "Heavy traffic" precludes such a situation.

[rubicon]

Driving south on 27/441 yesterday around 2pm, with heavy traffic, I thought how utterly preposterous it would be for everyone to be in the right lane unless making a left turn, passing, etc. The sign (and the law) are ridiculous for local roads that need 2 and sometimes 3 lanes to handle the traffic.

photo1902: we probably were keyboarding about the same time. I made the same observation in post 102 as you did above. The posted traffic message by LOE is going to create confusion

[Walter123]

photo1902: we probably were keyboarding about the same time. I made the same observation in post 102 as you did above. The posted traffic message by LEO is going to create confusion

But it's Crystal clear now, right?

[photo1902]

You're right. But the law in question simply does not apply to the situation you describe.

The law prohibits just cruising endlessly in the left lane blocking faster traffic when the right lane is available. "Heavy traffic" precludes such a situation.

"Crusing endlessly" , ha. Yeah right. There's so much opportunity for that around here and on local roads. Give me a break.

[Polar Bear]

"Crusing endlessly" , ha. Yeah right. There's so much opportunity for that around here and on local roads. Give me a break.

Exactly.

That's why the law rarely even applies in TV. You mentioned "around here and on local roads". I didn't.

Give ME a break.

[Topspinmo]

Exactly.

That's why the law rarely even applies in TV. You mentioned "around here and on local roads". I didn't.

Give ME a break.


May get ticket if blocking the left lane . Read para. 3 . The big IF word. No Leo going to give someone ticket it they're not blocking traffic. If someone going 45 which is the limit and left lanes going 46 he is passing so they don't get ticket unless they are going the same exact speed or less. I don't like slow pokes in the left lane either, but until I see them getting tickets along with dozens of other violations it all hot air.

[Walter123]

May get ticket if blocking the left lane . Read para. 3 . The big IF word. No Leo going to give someone ticket it they're not blocking traffic. If someone going 45 which is the limit and left lanes going 46 he is passing so they don't get ticket unless they are going the same exact speed or less. I don't like slow pokes in the left lane either, but until I see them getting tickets along with dozens of other violations it all hot air.

:agree:

[Walter123]

"Crusing endlessly" , ha. Yeah right. There's so much opportunity for that around here and on local roads. Give me a break.

:agree:

[photo1902]

Exactly.

That's why the law rarely even applies in TV. You mentioned "around here and on local roads". I didn't.

Give ME a break.

Then why put the sign up in The Villages. It doesn't make sense.

[Polar Bear]

Basic point...if there is a significant amount of traffic, everybody is blocking traffic to one degree or another. That's why the law rarely applies in TV.

I also would agree that no LEO is going to issue a citation unless it's an extreme case. I'm okay with that.

I cannot speak to the appropriateness of any given sign.

[outlaw]

Why not work with the spirit of the law and sign message, and live on the wild side. Maintain a speed just a little bit faster than the right lane traffic. That way you are always in passing mode. And, as a bonus, you may get to exceed the speed limit a little bit. Win win.

[rubicon]

I have no idea. I posted the info after seeing the sign, in hopes that people would follow the law. Not argue that it shouldn't be a law, or try to dream up scenarios where it would cause a wreck. I think some folks should stay home, wrapped in bubble wrap with a helmet on their head.

spring-chicken: Until the LOE posted their sign drivers believed they were following the rules. If traffic was too slow to the right vehicles passed to the left. If traffic was slow in both the right and left lane drivers waited for an opportunity to make their move. Most drivers strive to at least keep traffic flow moving . Heck if your moving in most places its not traffic:D

Passing is one thing unsafe passing another the same with speed .

Again we clearly find those individuals with a philosophy of "what's your hurry your retired", except that if everyone adapted to that philosophy we would have bottlenecks 24/7 on the roads in and around The Villages. And yet I've witnessed a number of times over the years where retirees actually try and police a highway by blocking traffic. Again the highways were are talking about carry the public at large and many of them are not retired and are on a schedule

I try really try but Sunday drivers any day of the week test my patience

[Topspinmo]

Yesterday I did little test speed. I drove exactly 35 MPH down BV 7 miles in the right lane. I got passed by 98 % of all vehicles. Actually it was hard to maintain the speed limit with everyone passing me. The only thing that broke my speed was after the stop light on 466 I had to slow down cause left lane vehicle would not speed up to let faster traffic go by.

I also observed how many other traffic laws were broke. Changing lanes with out using blinker light, not signaling when exiting round out causing north bound traffic to come to stop, changing lane in roundabout (entering In right lane, switching to left lane and exiting in the right lane) right lane going to the third exit to exit causing left lane traffic stand still. The obnoxious speeder going 10 to 15 MPH over the speed limit. My favor stopping at the roundabout when NO traffic is coming or in the roundabout. Like I said LEOS have bigger fish to fry.

[photo1902]

Yesterday I did little test speed. I drove exactly 35 MPH down BV 7 miles in the right lane. I got passed by 98 % of all vehicles. Actually it was hard to maintain the speed limit with everyone passing me. The only thing that broke my speed was after the stop light on 466 I had to slow down cause left lane vehicle would not speed up to let faster traffic go by.

I also observed how many other traffic laws were broke. Changing lanes with out using blinker light, not signaling when exiting round out causing north bound traffic to come to stop, changing lane in roundabout (entering In right lane, switching to left lane and exiting in the right lane) right lane going to the third exit to exit causing left lane traffic stand still. The obnoxious speeder going 10 to 15 MPH over the speed limit. My favor stopping at the roundabout when NO traffic is coming or in the roundabout. Like I said LEOS have bigger fish to fry.

Great post!