Rules for dog owners

[Autoshow]

Playing golf at Briarwood today;;; along the cart path someone took their dog for a walk and let him do his business (s##t)
First of all,cart paths are for golfers,and not to walk your dog.
Secondly they should have picked up.Most of us know the rules, and I would assume the culprit was some one who made their first visit here and does not know the rules.
Also on my front lawn, the other day I noticed some one else let their dog do the same thing on my lawn.Nobody picked it up.
A day or 2 later I noticed a person walking their dog and letting the dog use my lawn for their personnel bath room.I immediatly told her not to let her dog use my lawn for a bathroom,she got very upset and told me she picks up,I asked how do you pick up urine.(no answer)
I like animals very much,but keep yours on your property,do not give them a 50 foot leash,do not bring them where they do not belong. Your animal may be cute to you but to other people they are a nuisance.
Thank You

[graciegirl]

Playing golf at Briarwood today;;; along the cart path someone took their dog for a walk and let him do his business (s##t)
First of all,cart paths are for golfers,and not to walk your dog.
Secondly they should have picked up.Most of us know the rules, and I would assume the culprit was some one who made their first visit here and does not know the rules.
Also on my front lawn, the other day I noticed some one else let their dog do the same thing on my lawn.Nobody picked it up.
A day or 2 later I noticed a person walking their dog and letting the dog use my lawn for their personnel bath room.I immediatly told her not to let her dog use my lawn for a bathroom,she got very upset and told me she picks up,I asked how do you pick up urine.(no answer)
I like animals very much,but keep yours on your property,do not give them a 50 foot leash,do not bring them where they do not belong. Your animal may be cute to you but to other people they are a nuisance.
Thank You

I feel bad for you. You are absolutely in the right. I would no more let my animals bother people or invade a persons space than I would or did my children. Children and animals are an extension of one's self and you can quickly see who is selfish and feel immune from rules.

[The Great Fumar]

Autoshow...

You are my kind of person........and there's darn few of us left .....

fumar

" can you say daisy air rifle" ...:cus::cus::cus:

[Talk Host]

This subject is my major gripe here in the Villages. While I'm sure it happens elsewhere, this is where I see it.

There is this coot down the street that allows his dog to do it every single day in my neighbors yard. EVERY SINGLE DAY!!!!!!! My neighbors yell at him, I yell at him, others yell at him, we all try to talk nicely to him, but he tells us to ***k off. The last time I spoke to him about it, he said, "Awwwww, everybody does it, mind your own ****ing buiness." At one time, I posted a picture here on Talk of The Villages, of he and his dog doing their daily ****.

Can somebody please advise me as to what can be done? He is not breaking any civil law, just a major ethics violation.

[superuke]

very simple way to solve this problem.
Simply collect lots of do do from dogs, then place all the do do on the marks front step.

You may have to repeat a couple of times, but mark will catch on real good this way.

[golfnut]

I agree, I would pick it up and put it on his porch.

[rshoffer]

I have a 100+ pound yellow lab... kind as can be but kinda dumb. Fortunately we live on a corner lot but old Bumpkus likes to take walks. I am fanatical about respecting others property. Unfortunately we live deep in Duval, a mile from the main road, Odell Circle ,where there are areas old Bumpkus can still do his duty when were on a walk without freaking me or anybody else out. Problem is, it's tough teaching an 8 yo lab from the mountains of Central Pa to hold it till he gets to an ok area... I think he's slowly learning but itsa slow learning curve. I will not have another dog in TV after old Bumpkus finds that golden fireplug in the sky.... Till then we walk in the MIDDLE of the streets till we get to a "safe" area. Others should too.

[SteveZ]

What I like about my courtyard villa - my two terriers have the peace of their own fenced yard, and the dog door makes life even better!

We do take them for walks, and the construction area off Amelia, and the cart path along 466A have been peaceful areas to be. the sidewalks of Odell are okay, but not very peaceful. As the terriers rarely walk in the neighborhood (they love the golf cart), calls to nature in any yard area are very rare (and Publix plastic bags work well!).

I can appreciate being ticked off at the boorish pet owner. Sometimes it seems the wrong critter gets licensed where pets are concerned.

If you get upset with my dogs if I screw up, you've got a right when I'm in the wrong. If you get upset with dogs just because they live, have a drink and chill.

[Barefoot]

Secondly they should have picked up.Most of us know the rules, and I would assume the culprit was some one who made their first visit here and does not know the rules.

Every dog owner should pick up after their pet, WHEREVER THEY ARE. All dog owners know this. A first visit isn't an excuse.

No-one loves dogs more than I do. But I sure don't like seeing dog crap around. And I find it despicable that a few irresponsible pet owners ruin it for everyone else. We have all agreed here on TOTV many times that responsible pet owners pick up, and dogs are not to blame.

But occasionally there are rude, inconsiderate, even dirty people. Who don't pick up, even if it is pointed out to them. And in that case, I would think poop on the stoop would get the message across.

[Taltarzac]

Think that we need more dog parks in the Villages or near them than the three existing ones.

I take my dog to the Doggie Doo Run Run every morning to do his pooping and at night carry a flashlight so that I can pick up after him. Not much you can do about the urinating though even if the males usually pee on fireplugs, lampposts, bushes, and various other things they find attractive for marking.

More dog parks though in TV would allow more people in TV to get their dogs out to do their business closer to home while also respecting other Villagers' property.

I do know that there are other places Villagers take their dogs out to do their business and play which are not sanctioned dog parks here in the Villages. From what I have heard there has been a lot of friction from the Villages management about these dog meeting places.

[Barefoot]

Think that we need more dog parks in the Villages or near them than the three existing ones.

I agree 100% Tal. This would solve a lot of problems and benefit both dog owners and residents that don't like dogs.

If TV allows 2 dogs per household, they should provide dog parks. It is that simple. Otherwise it is a recipe for problems.

We don't golf or play tennis or pickleball, but we cheerfully pay our amenitity bill. All we are asking is for a few scruffy areas that are fenced for dog walking.

[Belle]

I live in a CY, so I let my dog go there before I take her for a walk. Pet owners I'm sure realize that urine does burn the grass and pets should only use public places or the road. I take my dog to the dog run behind the mailboxes in Rio Grande. They even have plastic bags to pick up after your dog there. My dog has white fur and she gets her paws very dirty when walking on the asphalt, so most of the time I drive her over to the dog run.

[SteveZ]

All the dog parks in the world won'[t change the slug who just opens his door, lets the dog out, and watches (sometimes) the dog from the doorway. Since the plat plan is not written in the canine language, the dog does not have true knowledge of the property line - and to me it's no different than if the owner him/herself walked out and "deposited" on the neighbor's yard. Laziness and apathy aren't fixable via more facilities.

The same holds true for the owner who doesn't bother bringing a bag or two to pick up after their dog, and the owner either tries to look sheepish or just acts arrogantly. That's just "slug" behavior by a person on the lower end of the homo sapiens development chain.

Yep - "return to sender" of the unsolicited product does seem proper.....

[chuckster]

Gotta feel for the property owners along Glenview's Fox Run number 3 green, and number 4 (the par 3). Played it many times and hear a constant yipping/barking from doggy doo run. Noticed some places for sale....good luck unless prospective buyers are dog lovers and hard of hearing. Has to affect property values.

Before you get riled up.......we are pet (cat and dog) lovers and life support systems for each but would never want a dog park within yipping/barking distance of our house.

[Cassie325]

There is an open area right off of the Lopez course. The Villages seems to use it as a small storage space for some equipment and a few truck beds. In the evening (4-7pm) I have seen many people bringing their dogs via golf cart or walking (on the recreation path that goes through Lopez). This seems to be a major dog walking area...I don't know if it is sanctioned or not. Perhaps one of the places that Tal was referring to...however I figure if the management doesn't have a problem with unsightly 18 wheeler truck beds just sitting there....the dogs can use it for a bathroom....

PS...I see the dog owners clean up!!

Personally I will stick with my cats and the "hidden" litter box! My parents just got a dog (schnoodle) and I have never seen them so tired in their lives!!!

My last thought is for Talk Host...a while back you asked why so many people drive their golf carts with their dogs a long for the ride! I didn't understand this either...but perhaps they are the kind hearted dog owners bringing them to the dog parks!! Now I get it!

[Talk Host]

There is an open area right off of the Lopez course. In the evening (4-7pm) I have seen many people bringing their dogs via golf cart or walking (on the recreation path that goes through Lopez).



My last thought is for Talk Host...a while back you asked why so many people drive their golf carts with their dogs a long for the ride! Now I get it!

Item #1. That area along the recreation trail near Lopez is not sanctioned by the management. Owners let their dogs run without leashes and it has very much caught the attention of the management and Marion County animal control. Those dogs don't just have fun and run around, they are allowed off the leash and chase joggers, walkers and bicyclists. Many of the owners are defiant and respond rudely (sometimes downright ugly) to those who fearfully complain when they are chased or barked (or nipped) at. I know at least a half dozen people, my wife and I included, that will not go near that area in the evening because of the danger posed by the unleashed dogs. I have spoken personally to Marion County Animal Control, and they have assured me that they are planning to issue warning, then citations to all offenders as the opportunity permits. We'll see.

Item #2. In my earlier post, I didn't ask why so many people ride with dogs in their carts. I asked why people drive with their dogs IN THEIR LAP. It is unsafe for the dog, the owner, other drivers and pedestrians. One false move by the dog and it can mean disaster. One attempt by the drive to avoid a dangerous situation when the dog is in the way, and it can mean disaster. I can't understand, at all, how a clear thinking individual can justify driving with the obstruction of a dog on his lap. Would you put a child on your lap while you drive?

[Belle]

My dog is driven by car only and if we go on long trips, she has a doggie seat belt on. I always have her on a leash, to avoid the risk of endangering her or anyone else. That's why the CY is great for pets. She can run free and her doggie door is only locked up at night. I don't think the pet owners who drive with dogs on their laps or with the dog's head sticking out of a car window realize the risk they put their pet in.

[Taltarzac]

From my walk on Christmas on the Springdale Fitness Trail it looked like the evening dog meeting place Talk Host mentions is on F.P.C.-SECO private property. This meeting area is just north of the Springdale Recreation Center on the east side of the Springdale Fitness Trail.

Not sure how the Villages management could stop people from using this? Of course, the Marion police department can issue citations for dogs off leash and maybe the F.P.C. -SECO could do something.

[zcaveman]

I have a 100+ pound yellow lab... kind as can be but kinda dumb. Fortunately we live on a corner lot but old Bumpkus likes to take walks. I am fanatical about respecting others property. Unfortunately we live deep in Duval, a mile from the main road, Odell Circle ,where there are areas old Bumpkus can still do his duty when were on a walk without freaking me or anybody else out. Problem is, it's tough teaching an 8 yo lab from the mountains of Central Pa to hold it till he gets to an ok area... I think he's slowly learning but itsa slow learning curve. I will not have another dog in TV after old Bumpkus finds that golden fireplug in the sky.... Till then we walk in the MIDDLE of the streets till we get to a "safe" area. Others should too.

I had a 90 lb Shepherd-chow that we transplanted from northwest NJ. When it was time, he went. I took a small shovel (entrenching tool) and put a Public' plastic bag on the business end and walked him. If he dropped to do his doddy, I would put the shovel under him and catch it. Then I would just reverse the bag over the shovel and it was all neatly packed. I even used this procedure in our yard and down at the walking areas. Nothing ever hit the ground - except for a couple of misses. And then I picked that up with the shovel and paper towels I carried.

In November, Bartholomew went to the big open field in the sky and is enjoying the scenery and waiting for me and the missus to join him.

[chelsea24]

I'm glad this thread is called "Rules for Dog Owners." I can never understand why people think it's "the animals" fault when something goes wrong.

Quick story: I have a friend in Chicago that had a dog trained for bodily protection. Guard dog. Well one day his niece, who he adores, 4 years old, jumped into his bed as he was napping to surprise him. (Her mother should have known better.) The dog attacked the little girl. 40 stitches in forehead. The mother demanded that he put the dog down, but he said "NO. He was just doing his job." And I respected him for that. Fast forward, that little girl who is now in her 30's, is a vet assistant and adores animals. No fear. That's the happy ending. But it could have been really bad. I blame the mother, not the dog.

Point is, animals will be animals. Train the people! Some people should just not own animals. :undecided:

I have to say, just as my own rule of thumb, I can't trust and don't trust people that do not like animals.

[F16 1UB]

Failure to abide by the rules may cause your neighbor to be spayed or neutered.

[graciegirl]

Horrors. Well maybe...................justice.

[tony]

Chelsea,

Do I make your list of animal haters? I'm not particularly fond of spiders and snakes.
:ohdear:

[rshoffer]

I had a 90 lb Shepherd-chow that we transplanted from northwest NJ. When it was time, he went. I took a small shovel (entrenching tool) and put a Public' plastic bag on the business end and walked him. If he dropped to do his doddy, I would put the shovel under him and catch it. Then I would just reverse the bag over the shovel and it was all neatly packed. I even used this procedure in our yard and down at the walking areas. Nothing ever hit the ground - except for a couple of misses. And then I picked that up with the shovel and paper towels I carried.

In November, Bartholomew went to the big open field in the sky and is enjoying the scenery and waiting for me and the missus to join him. sorry to hear about Bartholomew... I gotta work on my eye hand coordination... dogs are wonderful companions... I have NEVER been without one.... but TV is close quarters... it's tough to have a 100 # lab in TV.

[chelsea24]

Chelsea,

Do I make your list of animal haters? I'm not particularly fond of spiders and snakes.
:ohdear:


No Tony, not if you love most animals. Spiders and snakes are not on my list!
:eek:

I did fall in love with a rat once! Hahaha! No I mean my husband was doing surgery on a rat and I thought I would hate it, but boy was I pulling for that little thing. It turned out fine by the way. His name is Ian and one of my hubby's vet techs owns him. Still going strong! :laugh:

[trichard]

I get equally upset at the smokers who "flick" their cigarette butts on my lawn, sidewalk, streets & golf cart paths. We need rules for smokers!

[chelsea24]

I get equally upset at the smokers who "flick" their cigarette butts on my lawn, sidewalk, streets & golf cart paths. We need rules for smokers!

I'm a smoker, but I'm a polite smoker. I never flick a cigarette butt anywhere, not on lawns, not on streets, not on roadsides. That's just discourteous, plus I like my own environment clean and litter free. On this we agree.

But more rules for smokers! Puh-lease! We have more rules now than we know what to do with! We can smoke on this side of a room and not the other. On this side of a cruise ship, but not the other. On this slot machine, but not the one next to it. Not in restaurants, but outside table is fine. Cannot smoke within 10 feet or so of Airport entrance. Geesh, this list goes one and one.

In my opinion, they should have more rules for alcohol consumption. It flows freely all through The Villages, even encourages it with Happy Hours, people carrying flasks! And I can guarantee you, more innocent people are killed by drunk drivers than second hand smoke. Car accidents, cart accidents, people being hit while walking, riding bikes. I'll get off my smoker's soapbox, when I see more rules for drunks. ;)

[SteveZ]

In keeping with the theme of this string.....

Dog owners should not let their canines smoke or drink alcoholic beverages to excess.:beer3:

[Gshepherd]

sorry to hear about Bartholomew... I gotta work on my eye hand coordination... dogs are wonderful companions... I have NEVER been without one.... but TV is close quarters... it's tough to have a 100 # lab in TV.

We are close to closing on our home in TV. And this thread is truly scaring me. I have a GSDog and she is the sweetest angel. But, if TV is not as "pet friendly" as it is "people friendly", perhaps it isn't the right choice for us. She's part of our family, after all. :cry::cry::cry:

[Talk Host]

We are close to closing on our home in TV. And this thread is truly scaring me. I have a GSDog and she is the sweetest angel. But, if TV is not as "pet friendly" as it is "people friendly", perhaps it isn't the right choice for us. She's part of our family, after all. :cry::cry::cry:

The Villages is people friendly and pet friendly. In the case of dogs, they must be on a leash when off the owners property. It is not a Villages rule, it is a county ordinance. You must also clean up your dogs waste when you walk the dog. The big discussion here surrounds people who allow their dogs to use other peoples yards as their private privy.

[BUC]

Allow fences

[graciegirl]

People love pets here. It is so interesting to see people stop and ask dog owners about their dog on the square. I have seen such beautiful dogs out walking their owners. We have cats and so we can't be "proud parents" outside of the house, but have seen some beautiful kitties at peoples homes. I wonder sometimes when I am reading these posts if there should be a Village of "BARK" just for pet owners.

[Barefoot]

We are close to closing on our home in TV. And this thread is truly scaring me. I have a GSDog and she is the sweetest angel. But, if TV is not as "pet friendly" as it is "people friendly", perhaps it isn't the right choice for us. She's part of our family, after all.

:welcome: to you and your dog. (A word of caution ... ignore any dog-related posts by Fumar. :laugh:)

Be not afraid. Our two dogs are also an important part of our family and they love it in TV. One weighs 70+ lbs. There are many, many pet lovers in TV! If you respect other peoples' property and pick up after your dog, you should be very happy here.

The Villages currently provides a dog park in Historical, east of 441. There is a new dog park underway for the Springdale Walking Trail area (up by CR 42). I'm told TV is looking at another possible site close to 466.

There is also Doggie Doo Run Run which is Dog Heaven. It is privately run, and an exceptional place to take your dog. It is a bargain at $25 per month. It is located just a mile or two north of 466 at Southern Trace Plaza.

One more suggestion .. a courtyard villa with a fenced yard makes dog containment easy and painless. They can bop around day or night with no supervision. Easy peasy.

[Gshepherd]

I don't know too many places that don't have a leash law these days and I agree that picking up after anothers pet is more than distasteful. The move will be an adjustment for our pup without her fenced yard and a new routine will need to be set. The information about where/where not to take her has been helpful.
Thank you!

[Gshepherd]

Wow! Barefoot and Gracie girl! I feel so much better after reading your posts. ::deep breath:: We are really responsible pet owners and I was really freaking out thinking OMG...what if they think MY dog did it! And I GET the gift package of poo on my doorstep! Scary enough making this move, we really don't want to start off on the wrong foot because of "Kira". Bless U!

[Barefoot]

JohnnyM and Barbara just adopted Prancer, a greyhound. I often see them at Lake Sumter Landing with Prancer. He gets lots of admiration. (The dog, not Johnny.) Many people enjoy taking their dogs for golf cart rides and walking in the two Town Squares.

At our postal station, many residents walk to get their mail and take their dogs for a walk there.

There are numerous pet clubs, The Responsible Dog Owners Club, Dynamic Dogs, Pet Lovers, etc.

I think that you'll find that TV is definitely pet friendly!

[chelsea24]

GSheperd, The Villages is definitely filled with pet lovers. My husband is a Veterinarian. We have cats, but are going to get a puppy. I see dogs everywhere as stated, in the squares, at the mailbox, etc. The majority of TV loves dogs. Please don't feel intimidated in any way because of a few crabby people. If those same people didn't have dogs to complain about, they'd find something else. But seriously, they are in the minority. We welcome all dogs! And besides the dog parks, there are other events that you see dogs in like parades, etc.

(I agree Bare. Don't pay attention to Fumar posts. He's really just joking. He says he eats dogs, but that's just his sense of humor! Although I do think I saw him with an Opossum leg hanging out of his mouth once! :1rotfl:)

:welcome: To The Villages. You'll love it!

[Rokinronda]

Chelsea, A PUPPY???!!!!!!!!! WHAT?? Did vetman finally give in? WOOHOOOOOO!!!!!!!
Come on girl, tell us!

Whats the scoop? Do we have a pug puppy in the near future????
::pepper2::pepper2::pepper2::pepper2:

[KathieI]

Gshepherd: I agree with Chels, Bare and GG, this place is doggie heaven. Everyone here loves animals, and if they can stand my crazy schnauzers, they'll all love your doggies too. Have no fear, we all love animals. That's why I moved here and haven't been disappointed yet. Welcome to TV, in my next life I wanna come back as a dog in the villages.....

[novelchick]

i have to say i agree with auto show. When we first moved in several neighbors walk their dogs all the time and they used extended leases so the dog would end up on our property. We put a sign out "please keep your dog off our property." We do not own a dog and do not want a dog on our lawn after spending thousands for landscaping. We just prefer not to own a dog now in our life because we are just so busy in the villages!! we don't have time and really don't want the responsibility of a dog. But i do have many opinions on dogs. If you own a dog, keep the dog on your property not ours!! pick up of course thats a no-brainer. and when we come to visit you PLEASE put your dog away. you may love your dog but i've gotten jumped on by dogs, scratched by dogs and hair all over my new clothes. we love to visit friends, but sometimes it's hard when they dont' know to put their animals away. We owned dogs in the past and of course we all had fences so we kept our dogs in our own yards or walked to woods. The dog park is a great place for you to take your dog or a courtyard villa as others mentioned is a great idea. Consideraton of others is really the key. we always put our dog away when we had company as we understood others may not want a dog jumping up on them or be a dog lover. We were always considerate. we're glad we did not buy an end piece of property as we know quite a few people who have problems with dog walkers letting the dogs use their property as their personal bathrooms. It's just this simple - you may love your dog but don't infringe on others who don't own a dog or want one. If we all respect each other, we can get along and live peacefully.

[rshoffer]

We are close to closing on our home in TV. And this thread is truly scaring me. I have a GSDog and she is the sweetest angel. But, if TV is not as "pet friendly" as it is "people friendly", perhaps it isn't the right choice for us. She's part of our family, after all. :cry::cry::cry:It's like anywhere else... some miserable people scowl at you as you are out walking with your beloved 4 legged companion and others stop, chat, pet, scratch and talk doggie talk... ignore the miserable ones and enjoy the friendly ones.

[rshoffer]

i have to say i agree with auto show. When we first moved in several neighbors walk their dogs all the time and they used extended leases so the dog would end up on our property. We put a sign out "please keep your dog off our property." We do not own a dog and do not want a dog on our lawn after spending thousands for landscaping. We just prefer not to own a dog now in our life because we are just so busy in the villages!! we don't have time and really don't want the responsibility of a dog. But i do have many opinions on dogs. If you own a dog, keep the dog on your property not ours!! pick up of course thats a no-brainer. and when we come to visit you PLEASE put your dog away. you may love your dog but i've gotten jumped on by dogs, scratched by dogs and hair all over my new clothes. we love to visit friends, but sometimes it's hard when they dont' know to put their animals away. We owned dogs in the past and of course we all had fences so we kept our dogs in our own yards or walked to woods. The dog park is a great place for you to take your dog or a courtyard villa as others mentioned is a great idea. Consideraton of others is really the key. we always put our dog away when we had company as we understood others may not want a dog jumping up on them or be a dog lover. We were always considerate. we're glad we did not buy an end piece of property as we know quite a few people who have problems with dog walkers letting the dogs use their property as their personal bathrooms. It's just this simple - you may love your dog but don't infringe on others who don't own a dog or want one. If we all respect each other, we can get along and live peacefully.Rod Serling did a great Twilight Zone episode based on this.... anyone remember it?

[Gshepherd]

Thanks for the encouragement, information and warm welcome to TV! It can't be soon enough for me to pack us all up and get out of the frozen tundra of New England. Chelsea, does your husband practice in TV? Kathy, Ronda, Barefoot, and others....your great! Thanks for putting my concerns to rest. Now, I just need a map of where the dog facilities are. Does such a thing exist? :) Enjoy the sunshine, you lucky "dogs".

[carole131]

Just asking. If you create a small area where your dog(s) can "go" in your yard, won't that make everybody happy? After Bowser has finished, you can pick up, & walk him. If he gets the "urge" while on the walk, have your baggie ready (of course this doesn't apply to urine) & for gosh sakes, keep him off residential lawns. No problem.
P.S. I have seen dogs "go" on the side of the road, not on peoples' grass.

[novelchick]

we have friends who have an electric fence for their dog and love it. Most people do pick up after their dogs. it's the ones that don't that cause the problems and that is when arguments start. You sound considerate and concerned so i'm sure you'll have no problem

[Barefoot]

He is my other eyes that can see above the clouds; my other ears that hear above the winds. He is the part of me that can reach out into the sea. He has told me a thousand times over that I am his reason for being; by the way he rests against my leg; by the way he thumps his tail at my smallest smile; by the way he shows his hurt when I leave without taking him. (I think it makes him sick with worry when he is not along to care for me.) When I am wrong, he is delighted to forgive. When I am angry, he clowns to make me smile. When I am happy, he is joy unbounded. When I am a fool, he ignores it. When I succeed, he brags. Without him, I am only another man. With him, I am all-powerful. He is loyalty itself. He has taught me the meaning of devotion. With him, I know a secret comfort and a private peace. He has brought me understanding where before I was ignorant. His head on my knee can heal my human hurts. His presence by my side is protection against my fears of dark and unknown things. He has promised to wait for me... whenever... wherever - in case I need him. And I expect I will - as I always have. He is just my dog."

- Gene Hill

[Talk Host]

It's like anywhere else... some miserable people scowl at you as you are out walking with your beloved 4 legged companion and others stop, chat, pet, scratch and talk doggie talk... ignore the miserable ones and enjoy the friendly ones.

Sorry, but just because somebody doesn't stop and scratch your pet and "talk doggie talk, does not make them "miserable." When we meet, I will be happy to show you the scars on my right wrist from childhood when I was encouraged to pet a "friendly dog that would never bite anybody." And, perhaps you may meet our daughter who's wears a scar on her upper lip from the dog of her best friend when we lived in Kansas City. The dog was "just playing" when it snarled and leaped at her. Over our protest, the Johnson County Kansas, animal control officers quarantined their dog for 30 days. Not everybody loves your dog like you do. Why do you suppose that nearly every county in the United States has a dog leash law. My guess it is to protect people from "friendly" dogs.

[novelchick]

thank you to the talk host for that post. Yes us non dog owners are NOT miserable. Matter of fact we may are VERY happy. We don't have to run home to let the dog out. We can come and go as we please all the time without worrying oh i can't i have an animal. We don't have to vacuum up hair all the time or worry about the vet bills. We are very happy and very active and love our life in the Villages!!! Finally, someone who has common sense speaks up. All we ask is you respect our rights and keep your animals on YOUR property and off of jumping on us. . I myself as a child was bitten by a dog and never got over it. As much as people love their animals (and i can appreciate that as a previous dog owner) they are still an ANIMAL, NOT a human being. i much prefer the company of another person to chat with over a nice cup of coffee and the free time to spend my retirement running, joining all the clubs and doing everything i never had time to do while working. That to me is my Dream Retirement, not having to walk a dog and picking up dog crap. I have much to many other things to do here in the Villages. That is why i moved here. There is so much to do and frankly i don't have time for a dog. i want to play myself!! ok gotta run. Time to dance!!

[chelsea24]

While I can appreciate being afraid of a dog if you've been bitten, again, people are usually bitten because of an inattentive owner or misbehaved child. My hubby owned a Veterinarian practice for 35 years and I can tell you more times than not, it's a "human's" fault that they or their child was snapped at.

As far as pets go, yes, they are ours and we love them. But, in the same vain, although I have children, I feel the same way about people shoving their grandkids in my face. No! I don't always think they're cute and NO! I don't always want to hold them or even know them. So, Novelchick, with this in mind, should I ask people to lock up their grandkids when I come over??? :shrug: Should I tell them "not interested" when they drag out the pictures???:shrug: I don't think so. I respect "THEIR" love for that child.

I, personally could not be friendly with a person that does not like animals. I've always been extremely proud of my husband's profession. As much as any doctor or nurse, he heals the sick. Possibly more difficult because the patient can't actually tell you what's wrong!

So, in my opinion, I would not even have people in my home that did not love animals and respect my love for mine. ;)

[novelchick]

While I can appreciate being afraid of a dog if you've been bitten, again, people are usually bitten because of an inattentive owner or misbehaved child. My hubby owned a Veterinarian practice for 35 years and I can tell you more times than not, it's a "human's" fault that they or their child was snapped at.

As far as pets go, yes, they are ours and we love them. But, in the same vain, although I have children, I feel the same way about people shoving their grandkids in my face. No! I don't always think they're cute and NO! I don't always want to hold them or even know them. So, Novelchick, with this in mind, should I ask people to lock up their grandkids when I come over??? :shrug: Should I tell them "not interested" when they drag out the pictures???:shrug: I don't think so. I respect "THEIR" love for that child.

I, personally could not be friendly with a person that does not like animals. I've always been extremely proud of my husband's profession. As much as any doctor or nurse, he heals the sick. Possibly more difficult because the patient can't actually tell you what's wrong!

So, in my opinion, I would not even have people in my home that did not love animals and respect my love for mine. ;)

hi chelsea i'll try again to explain my position on this topic. First of all, i have seen through my life experience that most times when someone is bitten it is the dog owners fault. If the dog is properly kept on a lease, not roaming around no one gets bitten. When a child is around a dog (WHICH IS A ANIMAL)the dog should be put away. That's a no-brainer. Children might pull at an animal by mistake and the dog can snap. how many times have people been bitten by pit bulls when the owners says "oh they never bit anyone before. They are still an animal. Take it to court, you lose!! You are responsible for your animal all the time!! Anyway, putting that aside, you quoted you could Never be friends with someone who does not LOVE animals!! Could I be friends with someone who LOVES animals!! YOU BET i could. Why? Because i Love the person for who they are, IF they are thoughtful and kind. Just because you love an animal and i don't doesn't make you better or me worse. I love people!! Would i be there for you (when i'm your friend) and you need me?? I sure will be. i can listen to your broken heart, share stories, help you when your ill, etc... which your doggie can't do. I can take you to the Dr., laugh with you, cry with you and enjoy life together. You compared a dog to a grandchild which really isn't a good paragon but here's the difference. When you visit my home when my grandchild is here, i dont' let my grandchild crawl all over you, spit on you, jump on you, or ask you to hold him. He is not put away (after all he is not an animal ) but we can occupy him with cartoons, coloring books, toys, etc that keep him occupied while you and i chat over coffee. His Mom and Dad take him out or watch him so it's not even an issue!! I raised my children to have respect for others feelings. If you have grandchildren and enjoy talking about them then we may. If you dont' have grandchildren I don't go on and on about mine!! We find other common interests we have and talk about those. I smoke. would i smoke in your home?? absolutely NOT. do i smoke when you visit me?? absolutely NOT If you don't smoke, i'll go outside a few minutes If i just can't wait for another cigarette( but i don't smoke that much that i can't) I usually wait. The bottom line is all non dog owners ask is that you be responsible for your dog. You choose to have an animal and i'm sure you love your animal. But when you have guests is it too much to ask that you put them away so they don't jump on us, sniff our private areas, get hair all over us, and distract us from spending quality time with you (my friend)? If that is too much then i guess we can't be friends. Because that is where i'm respecting you but your not respecting me. And what a loss for you. Because you will never meet someone who would be a better friend than me. I won't bore you with my grandchildren pics if you don't bore me with your doggie pics. I've been there, done that. it's over. Now that we finally retired it's our time to play, join everything, not be tied down to our kids or animals. That is our Dream retirement. Maybe someday when we're home more we'll want animals. But now we are so busy we don't. so if you really read into what i'm trying to explain (instead of getting defensive) you will find i can be a wonderful friend. I love everything about life, the villages, and being retired. I have a million things to share and talk about. But if your life is ONLY your dog then you lose out on so much more in life!! People are wonderful. Dog owners and non-dog owners!! Just respect each other. Stop and think next time you have friends over. say to yourself i wonder if i should put my dog in another room for awhile just in case it bothers suzi. and then we can spend some quality time together and talk about similar interests we share!!!! Give people a chance!! Don't close the door on them because they don't want to hear your doggie stories. They may be the most kind wonderful generous considerate friend you'll ever have!! And if you don't let them in because they don't LOVE animals like you do, you will never know what you lost out on. Because even though your doggie may give you unconditional love, so will a best friend!! And even better, they can hug you, hold you, and listen to you unlike an animal!!! Enjoy your animals but get out there with all kinds of people!!! That is the fun of living here. Learning all about others lives, what they did, what they are like, etc.. and put the judgement aside but most importantly learn to RESPECT others and we all get along!!! Have a Happy Day!! Now i'm off to next a exercise class and then dinner with friends and i can stay out as long as i want. i don't need to worry about getting home to let an animal out!! And i LOVE my Life and could not be happier!!!

[graciegirl]

Novelchick.

I am trying to think how to begin. I am an animal lover and I also love people very much and am blessed with wonderful friendships. The animals in my life and in my friends lives add a layer of richness to all of our lives. I have friends who fear and as a result dislike dogs and cats intensely and that is a pity. Sometimes that attitude comes from a bad and frightening experience as a child and sometimes it is from their parents fears. I don't think everyone should be a pet owner just as I don't think everyone should be a parent. I have never been bitten, my daughter was when she was at college and went to pet a dog tied to a post outside of a store. She never thought it was anything but her fault for going up to a strange dog and trying to pet it.

Not very often does an animal jump on me or sniff me when I go visiting. None of my friends bore me with their dog tales or their dog pictures. I am a VERY grown up senior and I personally can only think of one person that I knew in my life beside my daughter that was bitten by a dog.

I just want you to know that most of us do have very full lives and do not obsess about our animals, we just love them and they are sweet and giving back.

Part of the joy of the Villages for me is seeing the doggies walking their humans down our street and in the squares. But that is me.

I don't have dogs, just two counter walking cats.

[chelsea24]

Novelchick, take a breath! :shocked: I never said I didn't respect your opinion, so please don't take mine as defensive or disrespect it. Where you got the idea that my life revolves around my dog is beyond me??? :shrug: I don't even have a dog!

Again, I will state, that for me and me alone.... I have never trusted anyone that does not like animals. It's that simple. I'm not saying someone has to own one at all to be my friend. That would be ridiculous! And please remember that fear and dislike are two different things. However, you do seem to have a lot of rules for animals, so perhaps it is better that you don't own one.

Good luck to you with your "dream retirement". I hope you enjoy many friends, clubs and happy gatherings as I do. ;)

[Blondie]

Hmmmm...If I were an animal, I would certainly choose to live with chelsea where I would feel very welcome and loved.

[graciegirl]

On the same subject, kind of.....

My grandmother told me when I was young that when I picked a husband I should chose someone that was kind to old people and to cats.

I did. It worked out well. However we haven't been married that long....only 47 years.

[Karen83]

Grace, my boys have used a similar test. Anyone they have dated must pass the "Tucker" (our little Yorkie-Poo) test. They go by "Love me, love my dog" and so far it has worked out well for them!

[Rokinronda]

I have always had pets and can not imagine life without at least one. My Lila, adopted 2 years ago when she was 10 when no one wanted her, including the owners who were tired of caring for her, is such a sweet happy dog. I literally saved her life. She is no hinderance on my active lifestyle, takes me 10 minutes a day to care for, at most, and gives unconditional love. I have a 20 foot lead that I put her on from my lanai. She does her business in my yard and comes right back inside.

A neighbor accused neighborhood dogs of ruining his lawn. Grumbling and complaining to everyone. My dog never went on his lawn. I actually never saw any animal on his lawn. He would shout at people to cross the street and stay away from his yard......Well so much for his theory, his lawn guy told me had GRUBS!!! Grubs killed his lawn!

My parents had pets, my children have pets and my granddaughter knows not to grab, pet, pounce, or poke any animal that we don't know. A provoked animal will react. A loved animal will return that love 10 fold.

If you don't accept my dog, don't come over. My Lila will not be shut in another room. Sorry!

[F16 1UB]

Hmmmm...If I were an animal, I would certainly choose to live with chelsea where I would feel very welcome and loved.

Boy I don't know Blondie. Earlier she said she was thinking of putting a pillow over vetmans head.

I had a whole litany of items written but thought it best to erase.

I will always have an animal. In fact an animal, yellow lab, attended the Presidential Ball tonight for wounded veterans. It seems he was escorting a Marine Master Sergeant.

The Few
The Proud
The United States Marines

[JohnnyM]

Good post F-16....You know Novelchick our little Prancer below is three. She never knew the life of a puppy, in fact a little over 4 months ago she was racing in Alabama. She spent the best part of 20 hours a day, every day, locked in a crate lined with shredded newspaper. Would I or my wife run home to let her out...I would give up a night at the Oscar's to get home and let her out. God gave us Prancer and I won't let God or Prancer down.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo324/JohnnyHadleyII/20081207_114.jpg

[Fourpar]

This subject is my major gripe here in the Villages. While I'm sure it happens elsewhere, this is where I see it.

There is this coot down the street that allows his dog to do it every single day in my neighbors yard. EVERY SINGLE DAY!!!!!!! My neighbors yell at him, I yell at him, others yell at him, we all try to talk nicely to him, but he tells us to ***k off. The last time I spoke to him about it, he said, "Awwwww, everybody does it, mind your own ****ing buiness." At one time, I posted a picture here on Talk of The Villages, of he and his dog doing their daily ****.

Can somebody please advise me as to what can be done? He is not breaking any civil law, just a major ethics violation.

Great neighbor you got there Talk Host!

The s**t on the doorstep may be one way to handle things. And it might even work. But I think getting The Villages involved might be a better way to go, at least to start with.

The Covenants and Restrictions have a restriction on pets that reads, in part:
""Only domestic pets are permitted and they shall not be allowed to make any unreasonable amount of noise or create a nuisance..."

I think it is a monumental nuisance when a pet craps on neighborhood properties and the owner sneers at the rules and the neighbors. If indeed that goes on with regularity it becomes an issue that can harm the image of The Villages, in addition to depriving you and your neighbors of enjoying their property.

How about getting the neighbors to start sending the Deed Compliance people letters every time this happens? If there are enough folks affected, I cannot imagine The Villages sitting on their hands. They have too much at stake here to ignore that kind of thing. It might be worth a try.

I just don't understand a neighbor who has no problem with being the scourge of his neighbors. What a way to live. The jerk needs to be throttled one way or another IMHO!:cus:

[Julie]

I'm not in TV yet, but it seems like allowing your dog to leave its business on someone elses lawn should be littering. If it were considered littering couldn't the person be fined? Is littering illegal in TV?

It seems like a really simple problem to solve if it were against the law.

As far as placing a dog in another room of my house while guests are visiting, there would have to be a legitimate reason, ie. allergies, deathly afraid of dogs, an illness, something good... I respect my dogs WAY too much to leave them cooped up in another room while I'm having friends over. Yes, dogs are not humans, but they deserve to be loved and included in what happens in their homes.

[BUC]

Fences?

[Barefoot]

As far as placing a dog in another room of my house while guests are visiting, there would have to be a legitimate reason, ie. allergies, deathly afraid of dogs, an illness, something good..
I respect my dogs WAY too much to leave them cooped up in another room while I'm having friends over. Yes, dogs are not humans, but they deserve to be loved and included in what happens in their homes.

Julie .. :agree: ... I totally agree.

Chelsea .. :agree: ... You make some excellent comments.

GGirl .. great way to choose a mate! And it worked for you .. wow .. 47 years! In my humble opinion, an animal lover is usually kind, flexible, patient and has a sense of humour. All excellent traits in a husband!

[novelchick]

Putting your dog in another room of your nice cozy home for awhile is NOT considered "CRUELTY" to the animal, just "CONSIDERATION" for guests visiting!!

"Common sense" isn't common anymore!!!

[graciegirl]

I don't understand what dogs do that would want you to place them somewhere else when you visit. I visit friends who have a dog named Tucker who now comes up to me and says Hello by looking at me expectantly for a little pat. He wants to sit on my daughters lap, lucky her. I hope that my friends don't read this, but I go to visit Tucker as much as to visit them.

[Blondie]

I agree, GG, to me pets are members of the family....I wouldn't put a member of the family in another room....unless...as a responsibile pet owner, you know that the pets don't handle company well....so...they may be put in another room......some kiddos aren't well behaved either, and it is up to the parents to handle that appropriately as well.

[PGB]

Putting your dog in another room of your nice cozy home for awhile is NOT considered "CRUELTY" to the animal, just "CONSIDERATION" for guests visiting!!

"Common sense" isn't common anymore!!!

Do you live in Villa Alexandria, sounds just like my neighbors. Don't like my dog, my Harley (that's still up north) or my truck! :shrug:

[Barefoot]

I love animals and expect to interact with my friend's pets when I visit them. Not all guests to a home want animals locked away. So it isn't common sense to do so.

If I have contractors in my home, I ask if they are OK with dogs. If they say no, I would put the dogs outside for a short time in the fenced yard.

Most of my friends are animal lovers, and relaxed people. They know when they visit my home that my animals will be around. They also know they are welcome to bring their doggies for a visit any time.

Everyone has their own style of living. And so it is.

[beady]

I'm afaraid I have to disagree with you Novelchick. My dog is part of my family unit and I will not ban him to a room when company arrives. He would probably approach for a sniff ,perhaps expect a pat and then ignore the company for the remainder of the visit.
Common sense only applies when someone is afraid of dogs...then I would not have my dog around during a visit...if you simply do not like dogs then it is your choice on whether or not to visit a dog owners home.

[novelchick]

i do live in a villa but not alexandria. Will repeat one more time than i'm done. i don't understand what dog owners do not get. ?? When we visit you your dog jumps up on us first of all, then he rubs all over us, then when we're sitting at table he comes up and sniffs our PRIVATE AREAS and we go home with HAIR all over our outfits. and really i dont' want to be Rude but alot of times dogs smell. i think when owners have them so long they don't smell them anymore. they are so used to the smell. i would not allow my grandchild to jump on you, rub all over you and pull at you etc... That is all i really have to say on topic. Dog owners will never get it. They put their animals ABOVE people !!! And i have to say this, while at square last week i saw an elderly gentlemen walking and he almost tripped over a dog lease!! just wait till that happens. i can see a lawsuit coming. Dogs do not belong at the square - square is for people, dancers, visitors. That's why we have a doggie park. ok gotta run - time for a card game with friends and considerate ones at that.Everyone have a good day. i'm done posting on this topic.

Common sense is not common anymore!!!

[Fourpar]

:agree::agree:Right on, Girl!

[beady]

Well, Novelchick...I guess we will have to agree to disagree...You obviously do not wish to interact with animals and I cannot imagine being without them.

FYI....my dog doesn't jump or sniff in inappropiate places. Like everything else in life there are responsible animal owners and irresponsible same.

Also, consider the many animals that are in service to disabled folks who's lives would be so much more difficult without them.....perhaps a few dog and cat hairs are a small price to pay for independence and freedom. Not to mention the service animals that visit nursing homes and hospitals. Studies show that the positive effect of those visits are immense. All the more reason to love our 4 legged creatures.
Just my opinion.

[schotzyb]

Well, Novelchick...I guess we will have to agree to disagree...You obviously do not wish to interact with animals and I cannot imagine being without them.

FYI....my dog doesn't jump or sniff in inappropiate places. Like everything else in life there are responsible animal owners and irresponsible same.

Also, consider the many animals that are in service to disabled folks who's lives would be so much more difficult without them.....perhaps a few dog and cat hairs are a small price to pay for independence and freedom. Not to mention the service animals that visit nursing homes and hospitals. Studies show that the positive effect of those visits are immense. All the more reason to love our 4 legged creatures.
Just my opinion.

Also the ones serving along side our protectors whether it be a local police man or woman or seving with our military men and women. They too are putting their lives on the line to protect ours

[rshoffer]

I again remind you all of Rod Serling's commentary on this topic in a Twilight Zone episode about 45 years ago....

[novelchick]

Oh My God thank God for service dogs!! of course they are wonderful!! and our K-9 units. Fabulous. But we're not talking about those cases nor the cases where dog owners ARE Responsible. Only situations where someone may have a Huge dog that does sniff peoples private parts, and those that do jump up on you and scratch your legs. That is all i'm referring to. Being a previous dog owner myself i don't in the least hate dogs or animals. I'm just talking about responsibility that comes with the animals and that means training them to NOT jump on others or just putting them in another room if they do annoy your company - that's all!! Nothing else. Just consideration of others feelings!! Nothing more - nothing less. I loved my previous dogs but always trained them NOT to jump on others nor annoy others but that is just me!! All that training of animals takes time and some aren't willing to put the effort and if that is the case those folks should not own an animal!! someday down the road though when I have time i may own another pet. But now life is too great in the villages and too busy to run home and let a dog out!! Have a wonderful day everyone and it's ok to agree to disagree!! bye bye

[Village Kid 2]

Since I have three cats I have only a virtual doggie right now. He is a cutie though and well behaved. Ill share with you:

:click:


http://www.raincitystory.com/flash/screenclean.swf


:girlneener:

[chelsea24]

VK! I love this pug so much! He looks so much like Earl, the pug I used to have! awwww. I miss him. I have to get another! :laugh:

[Barefoot]

Three topics are always guaranteed to get people's dander up. Politics, Dogs and the POA! :undecided:

Many of us who own pets consider the animals to be part of the family. Some visitors expect to have pets locked away when they visit, or they feel that their hosts are being inconsiderate.

Just because we have different opinions and values, it doesn't make anyone inconsiderate or lacking in respect.

[graciegirl]

Three topics are always guaranteed to get people's dander up. Politics, Dogs and the POA! :undecided:

Many of us who own pets consider the animals to be part of the family. Some visitors expect to have pets locked away when they visit, or they feel that their hosts are being inconsiderate.

Just because we have different opinions and values, it doesn't make anyone inconsiderate or lacking in respect.

WELL SAID BAREFOOT. You hit the nail on the head! AVOID getting worked up over PPP. Politics, pups and the POA! Life is way toooooo short!

[renielarson]

VK
Can I borrow your pug sometime? He is adorable! Can't believe I'm saying this but after 2 years I guess I've forgotten how much it used to bug me....I kinda miss the slobber all over my front door's sidelight windows that my dog used to leave.

[swally]

Keep your hose handy and give the delinquent's a squirt when they come by. It worked for me many years ago with my neighbors two barking dogs. She got tired of drying them off. She never said a word.

[BUC]

If someone was to "hose down my dog because he happen to Bark" that person or me would get knocked on his butt, but one thing for shore someone is getting a butt kicking. If this makes someone mad , to bad, don't mess with my family including my dogs!

[KathieI]

I don't believe anyone loves their babies more than I do, but I like to think I am a responsible dog owner. I've asked my neighbors to let me know if they bark during the day and evening when I'm out and they have mentioned it to me, so I took appropriate measures to stop the annoyance. It wasn't hard to do, and I do want to be a good neighbor.

I also will put my dogs behind a gate in a bedroom when I have company because I do not like them jumping on people (they don't smell butts, they are very mannerly Schnauzers), they only go in my yard, they are very well behaved when I have a party (and those of you who have been to my parties have remarked on it) and that's because Mom gave them a beautiful bedroom to hang out in together and lots of carrots and warm quilts to sleep on, what's so bad about that. I think they are living wonderfully in Heavenly Hadley and they don't want for nuttin!!

[graciegirl]

If someone was to "hose down my dog because he happen to Bark" that person or me would get knocked on his butt, but one thing for shore someone is getting a butt kicking. If this makes someone mad , to bad, don't mess with my family including my dogs!


Your anger is understandable, but your response I can't agree with. If someone turned a hose on a pet it really is the same kind threat as turning one on a child. People love their pets. Some people don't think how annoying their children are either sometimes. I think most people try very hard to see that their pets don't annoy anyone. I believe that most people wouldn't do something as aggressive as turning a hose on a dog either. We are grown ups here.

[MelZ]

Swally:

As a dog owner I might frown on you dog training techniques. It might force me to use some human behavior modification.

I suggest people not take the law in their own hands but contact the proper authorities.

Cooler heads alway make for a better and more permanent solution.:boxing2::boxing2:

[chelsea24]

I agree 100% with you Mel. Don't mess with my family and my pets are a big part of our family. ;)

[paulandjean]

maybe people should think twice about having dogs. one thing when you have your own property like up north. different when we are so close. remember not all of us are dog lovers,they are still animals.

[MelZ]

Paulandjean:

I think dog owners need to be responsible, but dogs are allowed. If you want to live in a development without pets, move to a place where they are not allowed.

Just ny opinion

[Halle]

:agree:

Paulandjean:



I think dog owners need to be responsible, but dogs are allowed. If you want to live in a development without pets, move to a place where they are not allowed.

Just my opinion

:agree:

[rdhdleo]

Wow these were some very interesting posts! I am a dog lover and dog owner, having 2 small rescues who are a work in progress after the abuse they went through. I feel the Villages is very pet friendly having lived here 6 years now. I am also near the area by Nancy Lopez some have mentioned and agree people should NOT be letting their dogs off leashes there. We live on a corner lot ans yes people seem to think our lawn is fair game for their dogs to be on...NOT! We have someone who I think is new to our area that walks his dog and lets it go on other people "private property"! Yes at least he picks up but that is not the point, not all my neighbors have dogs though they all love the dogs in our area. But this jerk has gotten rude with my husband who only said hello , good morning but my husband was out with ours and one is very leery of other dogs still and this guys lets his dog come on our property uninvited and when my husband puled out dogs away his comment was well you're really friendly! It bowls down to a couple of rules of thumb, do not approach or let your dog approach another dog unless you KNOW the dog and person. If you want to walk you dog let it do its business on your own lawn before walking, unless you personally know the people and they are ok with you letting your dog on their property do not do so! Just common sense and common courtesy.As far as putting a sign up good luck if you live in Marion County as I do, you can't have anything up in your yard :( Gotta love those deed restrictions...All in all TV is a great place to live and work, yes I still work part time. The huge majority of people here I found to be wonderful as are their pets :) But as anywhere there is always a bad apple or two :) Peace and Love to all :)

[graciegirl]

Paulandjean:

I think dog owners need to be responsible, but dogs are allowed. If you want to live in a development without pets, move to a place where they are not allowed.

Just ny opinion

I completely and absolutely agree. I always wonder how people can't feel warm to a dog or cat..but that's just me.

If someone sprayed my kitty with a garden hose I would call the police. (MY karate chop never has been any good.) But it can't happen unless my kitty escapes somehow.

[Barefoot]

Paulandjean:

I think dog owners need to be responsible, but dogs are allowed. If you want to live in a development without pets, move to a place where they are not allowed. Just ny opinion

The Villages is one of the few retirement communities in Florida that allow two dogs per household with no size limit. It is the reason we chose TV.

I agree with Mel. There are many communities that have pet restrictions. In my humble opinion, I think that people who want pet-free living would be happier there.

[STEVEN THOMPSON]

One of the reasons i liked the villages was because every one i saw walking
their dogs had something to pick up after them with !

I liked the Daisy air gun idea, but only to be used on the 2 leg animal.

If the POOP on the stoop don"t work then smeared on the front door
should do the trick.

[bestmickey]

No one asked me. And, I don't even have a pet. But, my 2 cents worth.
I don't think I could totally trust a person who doesn't like (in general) dogs or cats. I can understand not liking a certain breed (maybe out of fear). Or, even not liking cats because of their fur getting on everything. But, to dislike all cats and dogs, I just can't relate. Dislike how the owner doesn't respect others' property or feelings? Yes.

When I do own a home in TV, if an animal owner disrespects me and my property, I will have one conversation with him/her. If you disrespect my property a second time, I will follow you home and dump the load on your property. And, I won't even be sneaky about it .... I'll follow right behind you. I would never ... ever ... take any action against the animal!

[chelsea24]

No one asked me. And, I don't even have a pet. But, my 2 cents worth.
I don't think I could totally trust a person who doesn't like (in general) dogs or cats. I can understand not liking a certain breed (maybe out of fear). Or, even not liking cats because of their fur getting on everything. But, to dislike all cats and dogs, I just can't relate. Dislike how the owner doesn't respect others' property or feelings? Yes.

When I do own a home in TV, if an animal owner disrespects me and my property, I will have one conversation with him/her. If you disrespect my property a second time, I will follow you home and dump the load on your property. And, I won't even be sneaky about it .... I'll follow right behind you. I would never ... ever ... take any action against the animal!

Well said Mickey! :agree:

[Barefoot]

When I do own a home in TV, if an animal owner disrespects me and my property, I will have one conversation with him/her. If you disrespect my property a second time, I will follow you home and dump the load on your property. And, I won't even be sneaky about it .... I'll follow right behind you. I would never ... ever ... take any action against the animal!

:agree:

The dogs are innocent parties and shouldn't be abused.

Any action should definitely be directed toward the irresponsible human owners. There is no excuse for disrespecting the property of others.

[BUC]

My dogs are an important part of my family. The're not the cutest,and definately not the smartest, but they have an unimagable love for my wife and I. We try our best to take care of them. We've had them since they were just weened, The owner (She was probaly like the guy who would hose down dogs or that Paula women you likes to send to uncalled for PM) was going to kill these pups we took both of them even though we already had a dog that had been with us for over 16 years. The puppies are now 3 years old next month( They are Svhuzer mix) Snowball our 16 year old dog is gone now but she is still missed. I hope the Lilly, and Bailey will have a long and heathy live, with us, and I always cleanup after my dogs! Anyone that would be mean or mistreat an animal would mistreat a kid. This just my long winded opinion.

[billethkid]

This thread is typical of any subject one wants to debate. The focus of the feelings is a function of the small percent that taint the masses.
Most dog owners are responsible, but they are not the discussion point...only the minority (not race).

Well I am happy to be of the majority. Our dogs are part of our family and like the rest of our family/kids we have raised them properly.

Once again the minority sets the pace of discussion....for a minute I would think this was the political forum or a media focused discussion.

It is easy to tell....the emphasis is on what the monority (not race) do or don't do.

Usually people who do not like animals also don't especially care for many people.....at least that is what the animals tell me.

BTK