Transgender rest rooms

[Guest]

I do not see a thread on this and if I missed it, I am sorry.

This debate which is now a big item in Marion County to allow students to choose which restroom to use is beyond my belief. Maybe my age, but this is absolutely ludicrious in my way of thinking.

In NC they now allow a grown man to enter a bathroom with little girls because he feels he identifies with females.

Trump and Clinton are ok with this.....I sure am not.

[Guest]

What in the hell is going on? The liberal lunatics are taking over the asylum. Doesn't anybody.have any common sense anymore? How long can this country exist with this kind of quackery happening. Can any of you libs defend this? I guess we need to be more tolerant of different lifestyles, after all diversity is what this country is all about. What a crock of bull**it.

[Guest]

This is nuts isn't it? Nothing better ever happen to my loved ones. The world is changing to much for me I'm tired of figuring this kind of thing out. I surrender!

[Guest]

This is what happens when sensible logical common sense people give in to the nonstop agenda of those on the Left . It`s NEVER ENOUGH for them . They just move on to the next thing such as " Micro-aggressions " and " White Privilege " .

[Guest]

The crazieness is what we get when we the people, the majority, allow the special interest and minority groups to have their way through the politicians.

You know those hypocrites who are representing we the people (:1rotfl:).

Since it is not in ones back yard or affecting them personally we the people are quite content to let the loonies run the asylum.

For the lack of action taken the politicians are free to do as they wish with no fear of retribution from the majority that usyally is OK with doing noting about being wronged.

It is really quite simple to deal with. Leave the bath rooms and rest rooms the way they have been for centuries and still are in civilized countries.

Let those who are confused about their plumbing and what to do with it figure it out like they have been before our society went all permissive and bowed down to every stray desire or aberation.

We have what we deserve.

Hat's off to NC for drawing a line in the sand.

[Guest]

The crazieness is what we get when we the people, the majority, allow the special interest and minority groups to have their way through the politicians.

You know those hypocrites who are representing we the people (:1rotfl:).

Since it is not in ones back yard or affecting them personally we the people are quite content to let the loonies run the asylum.

For the lack of action taken the politicians are free to do as they wish with no fear of retribution from the majority that usyally is OK with doing noting about being wronged.

It is really quite simple to deal with. Leave the bath rooms and rest rooms the way they have been for centuries and still are in civilized countries.

Let those who are confused about their plumbing and what to do with it figure it out like they have been before our society went all permissive and bowed down to every stray desire or aberation.

We have what we deserve.

Hat's off to NC for drawing a line in the sand.

Amen!

Best thing to do IF you are with your family is to check the restroom out before they enter. Stand at the entrance while they are inside and do not permit he/she's from entering by blocking the entrance until they are finished. If they are smart, they will either wait or the can take a counseling session. If they are smart, they will wait. We have to protect our families because their aren't enough COPs to go around.

[Guest]

Amen!

Best thing to do IF you are with your family is to check the restroom out before they enter. Stand at the entrance while they are inside and do not permit he/she's from entering by blocking the entrance until they are finished. If they are smart, they will either wait or the can take a counseling session. If they are smart, they will wait. We have to protect our families because their aren't enough COPs to go around.

Sorry, it should be "there." First cup of java not yet consumed so I'm a bit fuzzy.

[Guest]

This and all the other transgender discussions are representative of letting the camel get his nose in the tent.

Since the gay movement (some of it anyway) has moved out of the closet into the headlines and become political priority......now we have every fluke, flake, wacko, mis-fit, confused, lecherous, pervert trying to have their way.

Gay men don't care they use the same bathroom.
Lesbians don't care likewise.

The transgender? What ever that is supposed to mean. Does just putting on a dress count or wearing a dildo? Even the very discussion is annoying, border line disgusting.

So the transgenders account for what percent of the population?
Here this will help some:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_demographics_of_the_United_States

So we the people are allowing a 0.3 % (three tenths of one percent) dictate the other 99.7%.......

Nothing but politics, ignorance and emotional BS bullying the majority.

And the majority unwilling to stand and be counted to shut this frivolous BS from disrupting our lives.

[Guest]

This and all the other transgender discussions are representative of letting the camel get his nose in the tent.

Since the gay movement (some of it anyway) has moved out of the closet into the headlines and become political priority......now we have every fluke, flake, wacko, mis-fit, confused, lecherous, pervert trying to have their way.

Gay men don't care they use the same bathroom.
Lesbians don't care likewise.

The transgender? What ever that is supposed to mean. Does just putting on a dress count or wearing a dildo? Even the very discussion is annoying, border line disgusting.

So the transgenders account for what percent of the population?
Here this will help some:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_demographics_of_the_United_States

So we the people are allowing a 0.3 % (three tenths of one percent) dictate the other 99.7%.......

Nothing but politics, ignorance and emotional BS bullying the majority.

And the majority unwilling to stand and be counted to shut this frivolous BS from disrupting our lives.

:agree:....:thumbup:

[Guest]

Amen!

Best thing to do IF you are with your family is to check the restroom out before they enter. Stand at the entrance while they are inside and do not permit he/she's from entering by blocking the entrance until they are finished. If they are smart, they will either wait or the can take a counseling session. If they are smart, they will wait. We have to protect our families because their aren't enough COPs to go around.
So every time your any female in your company needs to use the bathroom you will go in first to make sure their isn't a transgender person inside. Is that correct?

[Guest]

So every time your any female in your company needs to use the bathroom you will go in first to make sure their isn't a transgender person inside. Is that correct?

Stay out of the bathroom that you don't belong in and you won't have to worry about it. And don't worry about someone checking the bathroom. It isn't against the law for anyone to go into any restroom if the transgender law is approved. There will no longer be a need to label the restrooms with any gender because it will be redundant/moot. I do not care about transgender sensitivities. I consider them to be mentally unstable. You are either male of female by birth, no redos. If you don't like the plumbing you were born with, then complain to your maker, it's not my fault. When you grow up, you learn to live with life's hard knocks, or die. Either way, I don't care but don't think that you are going to make me accept your mental handicap. If you wish to dress like a fool, fine. But, you still go into the public restroom according to your plumbing, period.. NO special considerations due to your sensitivity. You can be sensitive at home and act out your deviancy.

If that makes me a bigot by your standard, so be it. I'll own it. After all, you liberals have owned socialism. I can live with being labeled a bigot, but I wouldn't want to be labeled a socialist and be known to be dependent on the gov to care for me.

[Guest]

If someone is truly transgender, they should be able use the restroom that suits the gender that identifies them. A man in women's clothing (and lives his life as a man) going into a women's restroom is very different than a transgender person.

[Guest]

If someone is truly transgender, they should be able use the restroom that suits the gender that identifies them. A man in women's clothing (and lives his life as a man) going into a women's restroom is very different than a transgender person.

You say so. I believe there was a reference to "plumbing?" Did you miss that part?

[Guest]

Merriam‑Webster
Medical Definition of transgender. : of, relating to, or being a person (as a transsexual or a transvestite) who identifies with or expresses a gender identity that differs from the one which corresponds to the person's sex at birth.

Merriam‑Webster
Define cross–dressing: the act or practice of wearing clothes made for the opposite sex

[Guest]

If someone is truly transgender, they should be able use the restroom that suits the gender that identifies them. A man in women's clothing (and lives his life as a man) going into a women's restroom is very different than a transgender person.

Are you saying that if a man is dressed as a woman, he is different than a man that has a sex change and is dressed as a woman? Other than money and motivation, what is the difference? The genes are still male, no?

[Guest]

If someone is truly transgender, they should be able use the restroom that suits the gender that identifies them. A man in women's clothing (and lives his life as a man) going into a women's restroom is very different than a transgender person.

A large % of people who self-identify as Transgender do not go through the process of " Bottom Surgery " .
Those that have taken and continue large doses of female hormones often go thru " Top Surgery " ie Breast Augmentation . They change their name and dress like a woman however they do not go thru the entire process of removing
their " lower unit " . :popcorn:

[Guest]

You say so. I believe there was a reference to "plumbing?" Did you miss that part?

Plumbing? You mean ***** and vagina? Those areas are addressed with many transgenders.

[Guest]

Stay out of the bathroom that you don't belong in and you won't have to worry about it. And don't worry about someone checking the bathroom. It isn't against the law for anyone to go into any restroom if the transgender law is approved. There will no longer be a need to label the restrooms with any gender because it will be redundant/moot. I do not care about transgender sensitivities. I consider them to be mentally unstable. You are either male of female by birth, no redos. If you don't like the plumbing you were born with, then complain to your maker, it's not my fault. When you grow up, you learn to live with life's hard knocks, or die. Either way, I don't care but don't think that you are going to make me accept your mental handicap. If you wish to dress like a fool, fine. But, you still go into the public restroom according to your plumbing, period.. NO special considerations due to your sensitivity. You can be sensitive at home and act out your deviancy.

If that makes me a bigot by your standard, so be it. I'll own it. After all, you liberals have owned socialism. I can live with being labeled a bigot, but I wouldn't want to be labeled a socialist and be known to be dependent on the gov to care for me.I don't understand the new bathrooms. Are you saying that a bathroom that has many stalls and cannot be locked will be available for any man to walk in and check out to see if it's safe for women? That can't be it. That's inviting trouble.

[Guest]

I don't understand the new bathrooms. Are you saying that a bathroom that has many stalls and cannot be locked will be available for any man to walk in and check out to see if it's safe for women? That can't be it. That's inviting trouble.

No, it means a man can walk into it and use the restroom, if he says he identifies as a woman.

[Guest]

No, it means a man can walk into it and use the restroom, if he says he identifies as a woman.So how can you stop that? You can't walk in yourself to make sure the coast is clear or can you? This means any molester or rapist dressed like a man can walk in a ladies room and pretend he is checking it out to make sure it's safe for his wife.

[Guest]

Here is the answer.....

[Guest]

What in the hell is going on? The liberal lunatics are taking over the asylum. Doesn't anybody.have any common sense anymore? How long can this country exist with this kind of quackery happening. Can any of you libs defend this? I guess we need to be more tolerant of different lifestyles, after all diversity is what this country is all about. What a crock of bull**it.

While I don't understand the transgender thing its really not a liberal thing. Cait(Bruce) Jenner is NO liberal.

[Guest]

While I don't understand the transgender thing its really not a liberal thing. Cait(Bruce) Jenner is NO liberal.

Human biology is not a political issue.

Transgender is not the same as cross dressing. You most likely have already used a public restroom at the same time as a transgender but have not realized that the person was a transgender.

My advice is "do not worry about it." The "evil transgender" is NOT after you!

[Guest]

Human biology is not a political issue.

Transgender is not the same as cross dressing. You most likely have already used a public restroom at the same time as a transgender but have not realized that the person was a transgender.

My advice is "do not worry about it." The "evil transgender" is NOT after you!

Well said.

[Guest]

While I don't understand the transgender thing its really not a liberal thing. Cait(Bruce) Jenner is NO liberal.

Yes, IT IS a liberal thing. Jenner is a freak and will probably off himself within two years. Just saying. He is very mentally unstable. But, how would anyone be mentally, after being in the Kardashian family that long?

[Guest]

Is a coach molesting high school wrestlers, ruining their lives a liberal thing?

[Guest]

Is a coach molesting high school wrestlers, ruining their lives a liberal thing?

Not necessarily, but Anthony Weiner comes to mind when you mention liberal things!

[Guest]

Not necessarily, but Anthony Weiner comes to mind when you mention liberal things!What was his crime?

[Guest]

What was his crime?

Just perverse immorality, but you might not understand that!

[Guest]

Yes, IT IS a liberal thing. Jenner is a freak and will probably off himself within two years. Just saying. He is very mentally unstable. But, how would anyone be mentally, after being in the Kardashian family that long?

Bruce Jenner is NO liberal.....

[Guest]

Is a coach molesting high school wrestlers, ruining their lives a liberal thing?

Good one.....

[Guest]

Women have, for years, put up with boys and young men in their bathroom. It happened to me this week in Kansas. A young man, must to old, was in the women's bathroom while his mother, I assume, changed a babies diaper.

Why is this an issue now?

[Guest]

Just perverse immorality, but you might not understand that!
You find Anthony Weiner: Morally Repugnant, But No Criminal
https://newrepublic.com/article/89817/weiner-twitter-sexual-harassment-law

But a convicted child molester gets a pass if he is a republican. For him you are open minded otherwise you would not have said not necessarily. Everything is about the political party you belong to or if you are a liberal. You have no moral compass. Otherwise you would have stood up for the molested. That's al that would have mattered to you.

It's Trumps attitude when he says he could shoot someone in the street and still be popular. Although he didn't mean it literally it is disturbing.

[Guest]

Why is that liberals don't seem to understand that people
in both political parties have done and will probably continue
to do despicable acts wether they be criminal or not!

[Guest]

Archie Bunker had it correct 30 years ago. The whole world is absolutely nuts.

[Guest]

Why is that liberals don't seem to understand that people
in both political parties have done and will probably continue
to do despicable acts whether they be criminal or not!You changed your tune. Now you find the child molester despicable. Now you understand.

[Guest]

Archie Bunker had it correct 30 years ago. The whole world is absolutely nuts.

He was right about a LOT of things...just think of all the social problems since those times. They were the best of times...

[Guest]

Archie Bunker had it correct 30 years ago. The whole world is absolutely nuts.I was watching those shows today. It was 45 years ago when it premiered.
You will like this episode.
v=Y1V5DRidxp8

[Guest]

What was his crime?

So, you have no problem with Weiner showing his to young girls on the Internet? Interesting perspective. It's ok for your liberal politicians to do despicable things, and you give them a pass. I can see why the Clintons get away with felonies.

[Guest]

Bruce Jenner is NO liberal.....

Where do you get that? There are a lot of RINOs and a lot of moderates in the Republican party. The "R" does not stand for conservative, just Republican. Where is Jenner conservative? Perhaps he endorses the 2nd Amendment? Did he not live many years with the Kardashians? Where is he conservative?

[Guest]

So, you have no problem with Weiner showing his to young girls on the Internet? Interesting perspective. It's ok for your liberal politicians to do despicable things, and you give them a pass. I can see why the Clintons get away with felonies.Judge calls Hastert 'serial child molester,' gives him 15 months in prison - Chicago Tribune (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-dennis-hastert-sentencing-20160427-story.html)

Read this. You need help.

[Guest]

Judge calls Hastert 'serial child molester,' gives him 15 months in prison - Chicago Tribune (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-dennis-hastert-sentencing-20160427-story.html)

Read this. You need help.

USA TODAY:

"CHICAGO — Former House speaker Dennis Hastert, who less than a decade ago stood second in line to the presidency, was sentenced to 15 months in federal prison Wednesday for a bank fraud case linked to allegations he sexually abused teen boys more than 30 years ago."

No one argued as to what Hastert had done. The only comment was regarding what he was actually sentenced for. And now the person that he paid over a million bucks to, wants another million plus bucks in black mail money and is using the court as a tool to blackmail him. Not that I am defending him, because I figure what he did to be despicable no matter what party. I'm sure that liberals will ultimately consider special restrooms in Target for this type of behavior.

Funny how liberals find this behavior just as despicable as Republicans, as long as it is a Republican that is guilty. But, they defend Weiner's actions and were indignant when he was finally forced out of congress.

Too bad that liberals won't defend women when it comes to restrooms as much as they defend teenage boys that were "touched" 30 years ago.

[Guest]

Judge calls Hastert 'serial child molester,' gives him 15 months in prison - Chicago Tribune (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-dennis-hastert-sentencing-20160427-story.html)

Read this. You need help.

Read it and see no reference to Weiner.

[Guest]

The symbolism and stupidity of America's transgender bathroom debate (http://theweek.com/articles/620544/symbolism-stupidity-americas-transgender-bathroom-debate)

Some actual common sense discussion of this debate.

[Guest]

The symbolism and stupidity of America's transgender bathroom debate (http://theweek.com/articles/620544/symbolism-stupidity-americas-transgender-bathroom-debate)

Some actual common sense discussion of this debate.

An opinion article that spends a whole lot of room and type to say what could have been said in one sentence. The point to the whole diatribe is to state that laws are redundant and that the idea is forced acceptance of a mental disorder.

[Guest]

Men WILL fake it to get into ladies rooms! Trust me! People also fake handicaps and buy wheelchairs to get up front for shows! the world is FULL of liars who WILL take advantage.

[Guest]

Men WILL fake it to get into ladies rooms! Trust me! People also fake handicaps and buy wheelchairs to get up front for shows! the world is FULL of liars who WILL take advantage.I've seen healthy young people using wheelchairs and other assistive devices to get in front of the line in Disneyworld. But I have never seen a man put on a dress just so he can go in a ladies restroom in a restaurant. Where do you eat? I'd like to see that.

[Guest]

https://www.quora.com/Can-trans-women-do-anything-about-their-Adams-apple-besides-hide-it


All this surgery and expense and psychological turmoil to become peeping Toms or Jills? Does not make much sense to me.

And the law in question looks way too vague to withstand a challenge.

[Guest]

USA TODAY:

"CHICAGO — Former House speaker Dennis Hastert, who less than a decade ago stood second in line to the presidency, was sentenced to 15 months in federal prison Wednesday for a bank fraud case linked to allegations he sexually abused teen boys more than 30 years ago."

No one argued as to what Hastert had done. The only comment was regarding what he was actually sentenced for. And now the person that he paid over a million bucks to, wants another million plus bucks in black mail money and is using the court as a tool to blackmail him. Not that I am defending him, because I figure what he did to be despicable no matter what party. I'm sure that liberals will ultimately consider special restrooms in Target for this type of behavior.

Funny how liberals find this behavior just as despicable as Republicans, as long as it is a Republican that is guilty. But, they defend Weiner's actions and were indignant when he was finally forced out of congress.

Too bad that liberals won't defend women when it comes to restrooms as much as they defend teenage boys that were "touched" 30 years ago.

Has any woman been attacked in a bathroom yet? NO!

Why do you defend a child molester? It doesn't matter how long ago it happened. Why do you think so many boys are brought into the Ladies bathroom? So many boys have been molested in the Men's room!!!

I don't understand the transgender thing and probably never will but I don't understand why I, as a woman, have to fear a transgendered person in the bathroom but I should have no fear a guy walking down the street with an open carry AK-47?

[Guest]

all these wasted keystrokes for the sake of significantly less than 1% of the population.

Way more attention than deserved.
Way more allowance than deserved.

Way more of us who like it better when they stayed hidden with nobody giving the subject a nano seconds consideration.

[Guest]

Has any woman been attacked in a bathroom yet? NO!

Why do you defend a child molester? It doesn't matter how long ago it happened. Why do you think so many boys are brought into the Ladies bathroom? So many boys have been molested in the Men's room!!!

I don't understand the transgender thing and probably never will but I don't understand why I, as a woman, have to fear a transgendered person in the bathroom but I should have no fear a guy walking down the street with an open carry AK-47?
See, it's easy to think like a woman. All you need to do is make sense.

[Guest]

I've seen healthy young people using wheelchairs and other assistive devices to get in front of the line in Disneyworld. But I have never seen a man put on a dress just so he can go in a ladies restroom in a restaurant. Where do you eat? I'd like to see that.

They can't YET...if these laws pass...they WILL.

Has any woman been attacked in a bathroom yet? NO!

Why do you defend a child molester? It doesn't matter how long ago it happened. Why do you think so many boys are brought into the Ladies bathroom? So many boys have been molested in the Men's room!!!

I don't understand the transgender thing and probably never will but I don't understand why I, as a woman, have to fear a transgendered person in the bathroom but I should have no fear a guy walking down the street with an open carry AK-47?

Women are "attacked" in rest rooms...it happens.

Why do you defend minorities? They're slowly destroying your society and your country. I don't defend ANY of them.

Where does that happen? In 3rd world countries? Since that's where we're heading with all the minorities we have now, MORE than "us" are enrolling in school now. It'll be just a matter of time before you'll see men in woman's rest rooms AND people with AKs walking the street.

That's the America you wanted?

See, it's easy to think like a woman. All you need to do is make sense.

Say's another woman with NO sense...

[Guest]

https://www.quora.com/Can-trans-women-do-anything-about-their-Adams-apple-besides-hide-it


All this surgery and expense and psychological turmoil to become peeping Toms or Jills? Does not make much sense to me.

And the law in question looks way too vague to withstand a challenge.

Not even a third of the trannies get surgery. If you Google, you will see many sexual assaults happening in restrooms. I am not worried about a woman entering the men's restroom, but I am concerned about a man entering a women's restroom. I find it very alarming that anyone would not be concerned for women, UNLESS they are women haters. I would think that Hillary would have something to say, considering she is at war against men.

[Guest]

Not even a third of the trannies get surgery. If you Google, you will see many sexual assaults happening in restrooms. I am not worried about a woman entering the men's restroom, but I am concerned about a man entering a women's restroom. I find it very alarming that anyone would not be concerned for women, UNLESS they are women haters. I would think that Hillary would have something to say, considering she is at war against men.

But they're NOT men...they say so themselves.

[Guest]

They can't YET...if these laws pass...they WILL.



Women are "attacked" in rest rooms...it happens.

Why do you defend minorities? They're slowly destroying your society and your country. I don't defend ANY of them.

Where does that happen? In 3rd world countries? Since that's where we're heading with all the minorities we have now, MORE than "us" are enrolling in school now. It'll be just a matter of time before you'll see men in woman's rest rooms AND people with AKs walking the street.

That's the America you wanted?



Say's another woman with NO sense...
What is preventing a rapist disguising himself as a woman and hiding in a bathroom today?

[Guest]

Has any woman been attacked in a bathroom yet? NO!

Why do you defend a child molester? It doesn't matter how long ago it happened. Why do you think so many boys are brought into the Ladies bathroom? So many boys have been molested in the Men's room!!!

I don't understand the transgender thing and probably never will but I don't understand why I, as a woman, have to fear a transgendered person in the bathroom but I should have no fear a guy walking down the street with an open carry AK-47?

Yes, women have been assaulted in restrooms.
5 Times (http://www.dailywire.com/news/5190/5-times-transgender-men-abused-women-and-children-amanda-prestigiacomo)

Read the post again. I did NOT defend him. Apology accepted.

Yes, boys have been assaulted too. That's the point, isn't it? Sexual assault, no matter the gender. BUT MOSTLY PERPETRATED BY MEN, or men dressed as women in some cases.

No, you may not need to fear, but I do not know what you look like so I can't judge that part. Perhaps you don't care about guys taking photos of you in the stall either. But, I care about my family, even if you are not worried about anyone looking at you, or assaulting you. Perhaps you look forward to it, I don't know.

[Guest]

What is preventing a rapist disguising himself as a woman and hiding in a bathroom today?

Nothing. And noting is preventing someone from stealing my TV, but I prefer to lock my doors when I leave so as not to encourage that behavior. Perhaps you do not have any female that you care for?

[Guest]

But they're NOT men...they say so themselves.

Their plumbing says different, and that IS THE REASON THEY DON'T NEED TO ENTER A FEMALE RESTROOM. If there was no difference in plumbing then there wouldn't be a problem, right?

[Guest]

Nothing. And noting is preventing someone from stealing my TV, but I prefer to lock my doors when I leave so as not to encourage that behavior. Perhaps you do not have any female that you care for?Try to get your story straight you wrote
"They can't YET...if these laws pass...they WILL."

[Guest]

Chances are that you have already shared a public bathroom with a transgender. You would not know it in most instances. They will go into a stall and lock the door while they do their business.

[Guest]

What is preventing a rapist disguising himself as a woman and hiding in a bathroom today?

Nothing. But he HAS TO HIDE. If these laws change, ANY man can go in. Just claim they "feel they're a woman". A business is NOT ALLOWED TO QUESTION these ADA and "special rights" people. You get sued for "embarrassing them".

They can wait outside for a woman they're interested in and follow them in.

This is another Pandoras Box. Just like many of the other "civil rights" rulings.

Try to get your story straight you wrote
"They can't YET...if these laws pass...they WILL."


He didn't write that, I did, so get straight whom YOU are talking to pal... :) Just dogging you. It wasn't him.

Chances are that you have already shared a public bathroom with a transgender. You would not know it in most instances. They will go into a stall and lock the door while they do their business.

BUT...if you open up women's restrooms to transgenders, REAL "men" perverts will use that law to THEIR advantage too. Remember, when they get these things approved, they become "protected" and the business won't dare question them. They'll get sued, it's happened.

Nobody has a problem with REAL transgendered people who go the whole nine yards and really do look the part. You're right, we'd never know. We didn't know.

But predatory men WILL take advantage of this law. Peeping Toms mostly I'd imagine. Trying to get a peek.

[Guest]

Nothing. Perhaps you do not have any female that you care for?
That's got a name I learned.

"Argumentum ad Hominem (abusive and circumstantial): the fallacy

of attacking the character or circumstances of an individual

who is advancing a statement or an argument instead of trying

to disprove the truth of the statement or the soundness of the

argument. Often the argument is characterized simply as a

personal attack."

You have no character.

[Guest]

Nothing. But he HAS TO HIDE. If these laws change, ANY man can go in. Just claim they "feel they're a woman". A business is NOT ALLOWED TO QUESTION these ADA and "special rights" people. You get sued for "embarrassing them".

They can wait outside for a woman they're interested in and follow them in.

This is another Pandoras Box. Just like many of the other "civil rights" rulings.



He didn't write that, I did, so get straight whom YOU are talking to pal... :) Just dogging you. It wasn't him.



BUT...if you open up women's restrooms to transgenders, REAL "men" perverts will use that law to THEIR advantage too. Remember, when they get these things approved, they become "protected" and the business won't dare question them. They'll get sued, it's happened.

Nobody has a problem with REAL transgendered people who go the whole nine yards and really do look the part. You're right, we'd never know. We didn't know.

But predatory men WILL take advantage of this law. Peeping Toms mostly I'd imagine. Trying to get a peek.


These laws sound way too vague. What does that even mean about "feeling more like a woman?"

[Guest]

That's got a name I learned.

"Argumentum ad Hominem (abusive and circumstantial): the fallacy

of attacking the character or circumstances of an individual

who is advancing a statement or an argument instead of trying

to disprove the truth of the statement or the soundness of the

argument. Often the argument is characterized simply as a

personal attack."

You have no character.

Hmmm, sounds like you just made a personal attack. I guess if you use Latin, it doesn't count, right? Or, do you think others on here are too stupid to know when you are being an AH?

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See, it's easy to think like a woman. All you need to do is make sense.

Another sexist remark....

You all are so afraid of mythical attacks in a bathroom while in my home town 2 multiple death shooting occurred within 2 weeks but we should have nothing to fear.

Who is the one not making sense?

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Another sexist remark....

You all are so afraid of mythical attacks in a bathroom while in my home town 2 multiple death shooting occurred within 2 weeks but we should have nothing to fear.

Who is the one not making sense?

Mythical? Another uninformed liberal.

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Hmmm, sounds like you just made a personal attack. I guess if you use Latin, it doesn't count, right? Or, do you think others on here are too stupid to know when you are being an AH?

What you spew out sure tells a lot about your character!

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What you spew out sure tells a lot about your character!

Oh, so you can insult but not take one back at ya?

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Oh, so you can insult but not take one back at ya?

They never do. They expect all to do as they say or believe but dare not respond in kind.

All shallow persona.

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Another sexist remark....

You all are so afraid of mythical attacks in a bathroom while in my home town 2 multiple death shooting occurred within 2 weeks but we should have nothing to fear.

Who is the one not making sense?

Notice how those on the Left especially the far Left will label anything they don`t like . They have a myriad of labels which they will quickly and liberally attach to any person who might say anything that might be even slightly opposed to their philosophy .:ohdear:

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Notice how those on the Left especially the far Left will label anything they don`t like . They have a myriad of labels which they will quickly and liberally attach to any person who might say anything that might be even slightly opposed to their philosophy .:ohdear:You don't know one person from another but I'll play a long.

You have a myriad of labels liberals use. What are they?
[or are going to give some bull**** answer instead of listing them]

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[QUOTE=Guest;1219292


But predatory men WILL take advantage of this law. Peeping Toms mostly I'd imagine. Trying to get a peek.[/QUOTE]

Predatory Peeping Toms trying to get a peek at the women in The Villages??? :1rotfl::1rotfl:

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Predatory Peeping Toms trying to get a peek at the women in The Villages??? :1rotfl::1rotfl:They have some imagination. You would think that with an imagination that active they wouldn't need to peep at all.

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Mythical? Another uninformed liberal.

Got any attacks yet? Why don't you share a link of a guy dressed as a woman attacking a woman in a bathroom?

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Got any attacks yet? Why don't you share a link of a guy dressed as a woman attacking a woman in a bathroom?I don't think that happens. Do you? Got any links?

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Got any attacks yet? Why don't you share a link of a guy dressed as a woman attacking a woman in a bathroom?

I thought I saw Ted Cruz cuddling with a guy dressed up like a woman - but it was just his wife! :1rotfl:

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I thought I saw Ted Cruz cuddling with a guy dressed up like a woman - but it was just his wife! :1rotfl:

Three in a row by the same liberal troll. Must be boring playing with yourself.

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three in a row by the same liberal troll. Must be boring playing with yourself.
71,73,75

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I don't think that happens. Do you? Got any links?

Try paying attention. I realize that you liberals are needy and have difficulty using Google. It really is difficult doing research when you have always has someone else do it for you.

Go back a few posts and you will see a link to one example of many.

We don't need these tranny mental cases near our families. Sorry, but they are mental cases that are being tolerated in public now because liberals are going through a fad. I have no problem with these loonies using the same restroom IF they have had a sex change, but if they are still hanging onto their male plumbing, they can use the male restroom, period. Loonie or not, harmless or not, they can stay away from my family. IF that makes me a bigot, I'll own it if it will protect my family from any predator.

Sorry, but just because we don't agree with liberal loonies on their deviant behavior, doesn't make us wrong. Get over it. If you think that a man dressed as a woman is normal then you are not normal.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unlawfully_killed_transgender_people

Transgenders are usually the victims of violent crimes much more often than the perpetrators. Maybe because of all the hatred for them stirred up on places like this thread.

Donald Trump is actually showing some class not lowering his rhetoric to the level of Ted Cruz.

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While I don't understand the transgender thing its really not a liberal thing. Cait(Bruce) Jenner is NO liberal.

Wow one fruit cake out of millions!:1rotfl:

Where were this when I was freshman In high school. Nothing more pleasing that to legally walk into the girls bathroom and with open showers and look at the senior girls:1rotfl: would kinda made pepping toms obsolete :1rotfl:

IMO transgender bathroom sign should only be placed on single bath rooms with lockable door. Some thing should be and stay private :boom:

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unlawfully_killed_transgender_people

Transgenders are usually the victims of violent crimes much more often than the perpetrators. Maybe because of all the hatred for them stirred up on places like this thread.

Donald Trump is actually showing some class not lowering his rhetoric to the level of Ted Cruz.

We appreciate the update on the one in ten million!!!!

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Which restroom does Heidi Cruz use? That is one scary looking human being! Did she sell her soul to her husband - Lucifer Cruz?

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unlawfully_killed_transgender_people

Transgenders are usually the victims of violent crimes much more often than the perpetrators. Maybe because of all the hatred for them stirred up on places like this thread.

Donald Trump is actually showing some class not lowering his rhetoric to the level of Ted Cruz.

The only sympathy I have for mentally unstable trannies is that no one has the guts to stand up and recognize that they are abnormal and mentally unsound. They should be treated for their condition, not encouraged and endorsed. You liberals are nothing but Anti-American, Anti-Decency animals. If you cared as much about your fellow man/woman/morphodite you would help these poor individuals instead of parading them around and treating them like drama queens.

Hatred is a liberal term used to describe anyone that does not agree with them. This term is predominantly utilized by adolescents toward their parents when they don't get their way. That is probably why the old saying goes that you are a liberal when you are young and then when you grow older, you become a conservative. So, grow up!

Donald Trump has his opinion. Don't try to fool us into thinking that you endorse The Donald.

I don't believe in violence against Trannies any more than violence or bullying of mentally retarded folks. Just because we don't condone deviant behavior, does not mean that we condone or encourage violent behavior or bullying. So, quit playing the victim and look at this issue logically. That is, if that is possible for a liberal.

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Predatory Peeping Toms trying to get a peek at the women in The Villages??? :1rotfl::1rotfl:

Did anyone suggest that this is a Villages issue? Grow up!

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The only sympathy I have for mentally unstable trannies is that no one has the guts to stand up and recognize that they are abnormal and mentally unsound. They should be treated for their condition, not encouraged and endorsed. You liberals are nothing but Anti-American, Anti-Decency animals. If you cared as much about your fellow man/woman/morphodite you would help these poor individuals instead of parading them around and treating them like drama queens.

Hatred is a liberal term used to describe anyone that does not agree with them. This term is predominantly utilized by adolescents toward their parents when they don't get their way. That is probably why the old saying goes that you are a liberal when you are young and then when you grow older, you become a conservative. So, grow up!

Donald Trump has his opinion. Don't try to fool us into thinking that you endorse The Donald.

I don't believe in violence against Trannies any more than violence or bullying of mentally retarded folks. Just because we don't condone deviant behavior, does not mean that we condone or encourage violent behavior or bullying. So, quit playing the victim and look at this issue logically. That is, if that is possible for a liberal.

And you are looking at this logically? How so? Maybe, you should read the Sermon on the Mount again or does it just apply to people who look and act like you do?

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And you are looking at this logically? How so? Maybe, you should read the Sermon on the Mount again or does it just apply to people who look and act like you do?

Since when does a liberal believe in the Bible? That's a new one. If you were so well versed on the Good Word, then you would see that homosexuality is against GOD's wishes. But, I am sure you will come up with another excuse, diversion, etc.

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And you are looking at this logically? How so? Maybe, you should read the Sermon on the Mount again or does it just apply to people who look and act like you do?

This part???
"29 If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body go into hell."

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Since when does a liberal believe in the Bible? That's a new one. If you were so well versed on the Good Word, then you would see that homosexuality is against GOD's wishes. But, I am sure you will come up with another excuse, diversion, etc.

Where is that exactly in The Bible? Is it in Christ's words or the ideas of the many other religious leaders who contributed to writing The Bible?

And how about the Golden Rule? Or does that just apply to old white farts?

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This part???
"29 If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body go into hell."

I see so a woman who thinks she is a man inside is evil and should be cut off?

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So what are the rules of TV?

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Where is that exactly in The Bible? Is it in Christ's words or the ideas of the many other religious leaders who contributed to writing The Bible?

And how about the Golden Rule? Or does that just apply to old white farts?

It`s pretty ironic that you would hold up " The Golden Rule " and name call in the very next sentence ! :popcorn:

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You liberals are nothing but Anti-American, Anti-Decency animals.
That's how it starts with fascists. They dehumanize people.

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That's how it starts with fascists. They dehumanize people.

There you go again with one of your " Labels " .

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Try paying attention.The links provided were bathroom rapes from normal rapists, not transgender rapist. I looked. There are none reported.

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It`s pretty ironic that you would hold up " The Golden Rule " and name call in the very next sentence ! :popcorn:

Old white fart is a descriptive phrase and really seems to apply to some of the regulars on this Political Talk section.

The Golden Rule applies to how you treat other people in real life when you know who you are talking to as well as for serious situations like where should a transvestite/transsexual, etc. go to the bathroom. How about in a locked stall in whatever sex a reasonable person would view here as having. I have met women/men in the Villages who I am unsure of their sex because of their appearance. The name might help but then there are names that can be either sex like Pat, Jay, Taylor, Charlie, etc.

I have never met a transsexual in the Villages that I know of but with our population increasing there are probably some here.

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I have never seen a " white fart " . Would that happen on day 3 of a bad flu or stomach virus ?

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I have never seen a " white fart " . Would that happen on day 3 of a bad flu or stomach virus ?

Look into a mirror, dud, and you will see the old white fart.

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I see so a woman who thinks she is a man inside is evil and should be cut off?

I'm not the one that suggested reading the Sermon on the Mount. Ask the libtard that thinks that all conservatives are walk all over Christians. I think that non-believers should concentrate on what they might have some knowledge of instead of attempting to use the Bible and Christianity as a weapon against folks that do not consider being Christian a weakness.

To answer your question, I really don't care about the woman that wants to make believe she is a man. That is her fantasy. Grown ups deal with what is given to them and don't try to put a square peg in a round hole.

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Look into a mirror, dud, and you will see the old white fart.

What does that make you? Probably an outsider, troll right?

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And you are looking at this logically? How so? Maybe, you should read the Sermon on the Mount again or does it just apply to people who look and act like you do?

And perhaps you should quit watching cartoons if you think that they are real life.

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The links provided were bathroom rapes from normal rapists, not transgender rapist. I looked. There are none reported.

Are you kidding? You are being facetious right?
Do you really think that transgenders are females? Only about 30% have had gender modifications. Are you stupid or just slow? A rape is a rape, no matter how you look at it. A bathroom rape is by a man. Whether or not he is dressed as a female doesn't make a difference, unless you make it easier for him by allowing him by law to enter your restroom.

If you want more links of restroom crimes, then your own Google and look. That is unless you are too lazy or just too defensive and unmotivated to be honest about it.

Transgenders are mentally impaired, period. If you want to share an adjacent stall with a man, fine. Invite them into your home. But, don't tell my family that they need not worry. If you are a fool, it doesn't mean that others are fools.

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Are you kidding? You are being facetious right?
Do you really think that transgenders are females? Only about 30% have had gender modifications. Are you stupid or just slow? A rape is a rape, no matter how you look at it. A bathroom rape is by a man. Whether or not he is dressed as a female doesn't make a difference, unless you make it easier for him by allowing him by law to enter your restroom.

If you want more links of restroom crimes, then your own Google and look. That is unless you are too lazy or just too defensive and unmotivated to be honest about it.

Transgenders are mentally impaired, period. If you want to share an adjacent stall with a man, fine. Invite them into your home. But, don't tell my family that they need not worry. If you are a fool, it doesn't mean that others are fools.
I read the links. The bathrooms were away from the general seating area. The lesson was not to use a restroom in a sketchy place and certainly not if it's in the basement way from anywhere else.

How did you miss that?

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I read the links. The bathrooms were away from the general seating area. The lesson was not to use a restroom in a sketchy place and certainly not if it's in the basement way from anywhere else.

How did you miss that?

It was just one link, one example of the issue. Get a life.

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Should transgender individuals be forced to use a particular bathroom? | Debate.org (http://www.debate.org/opinions/should-transgender-individuals-be-forced-to-use-a-particular-bathroom)

Transgenders should have to use the bathroom in which their appearance would not upset people as to cause violence against them but this should not be a law but just a social norm.

It seems like the law will fall to an ACLU challenge if it is worded in terms of biological parts only and that also seems to invite attacks on people looking like they do not belong in that restroom. You want the woman who was Bruce Jenner peeing in your restroom. I assume he/she no longer has that equipment but it still would be weird for Bruce Jenner to walk into a men's restroom in the Villages and not expect to be arrested.

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It was just one link, one example of the issue. Get a life.Thank-you for the suggestion but I have a great carefree life.

You need to be around some younger people.

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Should transgender individuals be forced to use a particular bathroom? | Debate.org (http://www.debate.org/opinions/should-transgender-individuals-be-forced-to-use-a-particular-bathroom)

Transgenders should have to use the bathroom in which their appearance would not upset people as to cause violence against them but this should not be a law but just a social norm.

It seems like the law will fall to an ACLU challenge if it is worded in terms of biological parts only and that also seems to invite attacks on people looking like they do not belong in that restroom. You want the woman who was Bruce Jenner peeing in your restroom. I assume he/she no longer has that equipment but it still would be weird for Bruce Jenner to walk into a men's restroom in the Villages and not expect to be arrested.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caitlyn_Jenner Bruce Jenner's identity now.

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Thank-you for the suggestion but I have a great carefree life.

You need to be around some younger people.

You need to spend more time with older, wiser people!

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You need to spend more time with older, wiser people!

Some are, some aren't. Wiser I mean. Younger are often much more open-minded.

Transgenders should learn quite a lot about self-defense IMHO. There seems always to be quite a lot of hatred and prejudice against people who are seen to be different.

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Thank-you for the suggestion but I have a great carefree life.

You need to be around some younger people.

No thanks. You are too lacking in common sense, which seems to be a trait of a lot of the younger generation.

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Some are, some aren't. Wiser I mean. Younger are often much more open-minded.

Transgenders should learn quite a lot about self-defense IMHO. There seems always to be quite a lot of hatred and prejudice against people who are seen to be different.

I find it unreasonable to show hatred for the mentally impaired. I feel sympathy for them since they are so confused. What would be a good term to use as an opposite of ***** envy? I guess that would best describe trannies.

In my opinion, there is a difference between being open minded and being permissive. Perhaps the young just haven't learned self-discipline yet. Some still think that anarchy is being open minded.

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Should transgender individuals be forced to use a particular bathroom? | Debate.org (http://www.debate.org/opinions/should-transgender-individuals-be-forced-to-use-a-particular-bathroom)

Transgenders should have to use the bathroom in which their appearance would not upset people as to cause violence against them but this should not be a law but just a social norm.

It seems like the law will fall to an ACLU challenge if it is worded in terms of biological parts only and that also seems to invite attacks on people looking like they do not belong in that restroom. You want the woman who was Bruce Jenner peeing in your restroom. I assume he/she no longer has that equipment but it still would be weird for Bruce Jenner to walk into a men's restroom in the Villages and not expect to be arrested.

If the one formerly known as Bruce Jenner still has male plumbing, I would expect him to use the mens restroom. Dress has nothing to do with it. Only females worry about style of attire. There are plenty of freaks out there that wear clothes that many feel are distasteful. That doesn't mean that we discriminate according to style taste. Or do we? Besides, you know how women get when a man leaves the toilet seat up? It will just give them more ammo to bit*h about.

Invite attacks? Does a short skirt invite rape? What kind of reasoning are you using?

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Stay out of the bathroom that you don't belong in and you won't have to worry about it. And don't worry about someone checking the bathroom. It isn't against the law for anyone to go into any restroom if the transgender law is approved. There will no longer be a need to label the restrooms with any gender because it will be redundant/moot. I do not care about transgender sensitivities. I consider them to be mentally unstable. You are either male of female by birth, no redos. If you don't like the plumbing you were born with, then complain to your maker, it's not my fault. When you grow up, you learn to live with life's hard knocks, or die. Either way, I don't care but don't think that you are going to make me accept your mental handicap. If you wish to dress like a fool, fine. But, you still go into the public restroom according to your plumbing, period.. NO special considerations due to your sensitivity. You can be sensitive at home and act out your deviancy.

If that makes me a bigot by your standard, so be it. I'll own it. After all, you liberals have owned socialism. I can live with being labeled a bigot, but I wouldn't want to be labeled a socialist and be known to be dependent on the gov to care for me.

I'm sorry to inform you that life isn't as black and white as you would like it to be. Our society has both socialist and capitalist aspects. There is a continuum. On a scale of 0 - 10 on the continuum with 0 being totally socialist and 10 being totally capitalism I'd guess we were about an 7 or 8.

Because of the recent (last 20 years) disparity between the rich and poor it appears to me that we need to move that number down a few notches. Don't worry, you'll still be able to hate people who don't look like you and you can still watch your fox news and listen to them tell you how the world will end if a democrat is elected. The difference would be that we have more programs designed to level the playing field so children who had the misfortune of being born to poor parents can have a greater chance of achieving the American Dream.

And yes, you are a bigot. But you knew that didn't you?

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If the one formerly known as Bruce Jenner still has male plumbing, I would expect him to use the mens restroom. Dress has nothing to do with it. Only females worry about style of attire. There are plenty of freaks out there that wear clothes that many feel are distasteful. That doesn't mean that we discriminate according to style taste. Or do we? Besides, you know how women get when a man leaves the toilet seat up? It will just give them more ammo to bit*h about.

Invite attacks? Does a short skirt invite rape? What kind of reasoning are you using?

You sure twist what I wrote. You can see the hatred and ignorance directed against transgender people here on this thread. If you have a hot head looking for someone who is an easy target to blame for something wrong in his/her life, then that would be someone others are trying to marginalize.

Why would Caitlyn Jenner use the men's restroom. She is a woman now despite whatever junk she still might have down below. And most reasonable people when meeting Caitlyn Jenner would say she is a woman based on her appearance. A little masculine looking but still a woman.

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I'm sorry to inform you that life isn't as black and white as you would like it to be. Our society has both socialist and capitalist aspects. There is a continuum. On a scale of 0 - 10 on the continuum with 0 being totally socialist and 10 being totally capitalism I'd guess we were about an 7 or 8.

Because of the recent (last 20 years) disparity between the rich and poor it appears to me that we need to move that number down a few notches. Don't worry, you'll still be able to hate people who don't look like you and you can still watch your fox news and listen to them tell you how the world will end if a democrat is elected. The difference would be that we have more programs designed to level the playing field so children who had the misfortune of being born to poor parents can have a greater chance of achieving the American Dream.

And yes, you are a bigot. But you knew that didn't you?thank-you, very well written
I'm glad to hear more people speaking up against intolerance.

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Some are, some aren't. Wiser I mean. Younger are often much more open-minded.

Transgenders should learn quite a lot about self-defense IMHO. There seems always to be quite a lot of hatred and prejudice against people who are seen to be different.

Open and gullible to those who use proven mental techniques against them.

Prejudice against people we see as "queer", strange, weird, perverted.

You have NO prejudices? I doubt it...

No thanks. You are too lacking in common sense, which seems to be a trait of a lot of the younger generation.

What do you expect when minorities have to pass? The standards get lowered to almost nothing.

I'm sorry to inform you that life isn't as black and white as you would like it to be. Our society has both socialist and capitalist aspects. There is a continuum. On a scale of 0 - 10 on the continuum with 0 being totally socialist and 10 being totally capitalism I'd guess we were about an 7 or 8.

Because of the recent (last 20 years) disparity between the rich and poor it appears to me that we need to move that number down a few notches. Don't worry, you'll still be able to hate people who don't look like you and you can still watch your fox news and listen to them tell you how the world will end if a democrat is elected. The difference would be that we have more programs designed to level the playing field so children who had the misfortune of being born to poor parents can have a greater chance of achieving the American Dream.

And yes, you are a bigot. But you knew that didn't you?

Wealth disparity has grown as the educational and functioning ability of Americans has gone down due to increases in minorities.

Not the misfortune of being born to poor parents...but to inferior parents. In the inner cities, the lowest of the low are having the kids.

You sure twist what I wrote. You can see the hatred and ignorance directed against transgender people here on this thread. If you have a hot head looking for someone who is an easy target to blame for something wrong in his/her life, then that would be someone others are trying to marginalize.

Why would Caitlyn Jenner use the men's restroom. She is a woman now despite whatever junk she still might have down below. And most reasonable people when meeting Caitlyn Jenner would say she is a woman based on her appearance. A little masculine looking but still a woman.

It's not hatred, it's disgust. We think they're..."queer", and we'd rather not have ANYTHING to do with them. That's all.

He's a man. He can say anything he wants...but he's a man...dressed like a woman.

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Caitlyn Jenner's happy he can use the ladies restroom. https://www.google.com/search?q=what+bathroom+does+Caitlyn+Jenner+use+&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

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I'm sorry to inform you that life isn't as black and white as you would like it to be. Our society has both socialist and capitalist aspects. There is a continuum. On a scale of 0 - 10 on the continuum with 0 being totally socialist and 10 being totally capitalism I'd guess we were about an 7 or 8.

Because of the recent (last 20 years) disparity between the rich and poor it appears to me that we need to move that number down a few notches. Don't worry, you'll still be able to hate people who don't look like you and you can still watch your fox news and listen to them tell you how the world will end if a democrat is elected. The difference would be that we have more programs designed to level the playing field so children who had the misfortune of being born to poor parents can have a greater chance of achieving the American Dream.

And yes, you are a bigot. But you knew that didn't you?

The above is very naive in forwarding the
assumption that only capitalists hate,
when your own post is full of venom and hate!
Take the log out of your own eye!

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You sure twist what I wrote. You can see the hatred and ignorance directed against transgender people here on this thread. If you have a hot head looking for someone who is an easy target to blame for something wrong in his/her life, then that would be someone others are trying to marginalize.

Why would Caitlyn Jenner use the men's restroom. She is a woman now despite whatever junk she still might have down below. And most reasonable people when meeting Caitlyn Jenner would say she is a woman based on her appearance. A little masculine looking but still a woman.

Calling her a woman is not the same as her being a female gender. I can call you a clown but you will still be a ****.
Bruce Jenner can change his name but not his gender.

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Calling her a woman is not the same as her being a female gender.Are you say just because you call her a woman that does not her a female and she belongs in the men's room so men can feel comfortable. Is that it?

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Are you say just because you call her a woman that does not her a female and she belongs in the men's room so men can feel comfortable. Is that it?
Boy did I botch that sentence. Let me try again.


Are you saying just because you call her a woman does not mkae her a female and she belongs in the men's room so both men and women can feel comfortable. Is that it?

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Boy did I botch that sentence. Let me try again.


Are you saying just because you call her a woman does not mkae her a female and she belongs in the men's room so both men and women can feel comfortable. Is that it?

Three try's is all you get!

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Caitlyn Jenner's happy he can use the ladies restroom. https://www.google.com/search?q=what+bathroom+does+Caitlyn+Jenner+use+&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

Caitlyn Jenner uses women's room at Trump hotel, posts video - CBS News (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/caitlyn-jenner-uses-womens-room-at-trump-hotel-posts-video/)

Good for Donald Trump. He does have his moments. The 224 613 Project would probably be right up his alley as well. Except for the immigration issues which I have serious problems with but expect that he will probably change his mind after he gets elected if that happens. The man does flip-flop.

I do see a reasonable private room Donald Trump and another Trump that is trying to get elected every which way he can.

He also made a good decision on transsexuals and he is worldly enough to know that violence against this group of people can be prevented by treated them like the human beings they are and many of these transgenders may be Republicans as well.

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Are you say just because you call her a woman that does not her a female and she belongs in the men's room so men can feel comfortable. Is that it?

I don't know how they will feel. I can't answer for them, but if he isn't in the women's restroom, I am sure that there will be some that will feel relieved. I know there would be many women that would be relieved. Mental health issues should be treated, not ignored.

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I don't know how they will feel.

I know there would be many women that would be relieved.
Which one is it?

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Which one is it?

Yes

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Now Obummer is telling NC that they are violating Civil Rights laws by telling people which restroom they are allowed to use. Can this guy get any more ridiculous? Is the tyrant also sole head of the World Court?

Happiness will be seeing the Obama's rear bumper leaving D.C.

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People are shaped by their DNA and their environment but they are still people and we should be cognizant of their feelings. To ridicule and demean any person is cowardly.

If one views him/herself as a good person, religious person, christian person then they never act cowardly but with compassion and the best of understanding that they can muster.

Progressives have this thing about rectifying nature's limits. It is a noble gesture but a fools folly. In their desire to fix all things they actually create more chaos and harm because they feel too much and think too little.

The topic is transgenders in bathrooms. Transgenders believe they identify as the opposite gender. Others believe they are confused by their sexuality or in denial that they are attracted to the same sex. However as much as transgenders believe they, cannot change their DNA.

The medical community appears just as confused and lacking in their ability to deal with mental health issues.

As a nation we are reacting rather than being pro-active on how best to deal with the mental health issue at a national level. Its a serious issue and people afflicted are in serious mental pain and need support.

the medical community should get out of the game of politics and confront their patients with honesty about their abnormality.

the political community should lend its support by passing legislation that focuses on proper and humane treatment.
Passing laws that allow transgenders to use any bathroom they wish does nothing to alleviate this problem and it is cowardly because it politically placates voting blocs while dividing citizens

What I see is that nature has its limits. Recognition of that should be the first step toward problem solving. Problem solving means dealing effectively honestly and intelligently with intent of solving the problem.

We are not doing that by passing laws to placate voting blocs
whether its transgender issues, same sex marriage, climate change GMO's etc. Why this nation makes everything political in my view is because certain people use these issue as a basis to form collectives and collectives mean power and power always corrupts

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People are shaped by their DNA and their environment but they are still people and we should be cognizant of their feelings. To ridicule and demean any person is cowardly.

If one views him/herself as a good person, religious person, christian person then they never act cowardly but with compassion and the best of understanding that they can muster.

Progressives have this thing about rectifying nature's limits. It is a noble gesture but a fools folly. In their desire to fix all things they actually create more chaos and harm because they feel too much and think too little.

The topic is transgenders in bathrooms. Transgenders believe they identify as the opposite gender. Others believe they are confused by their sexuality or in denial that they are attracted to the same sex. However as much as transgenders believe they, cannot change their DNA.

The medical community appears just as confused and lacking in their ability to deal with mental health issues.

As a nation we are reacting rather than being pro-active on how best to deal with the mental health issue at a national level. Its a serious issue and people afflicted are in serious mental pain and need support.

the medical community should get out of the game of politics and confront their patients with honesty about their abnormality.

the political community should lend its support by passing legislation that focuses on proper and humane treatment.
Passing laws that allow transgenders to use any bathroom they wish does nothing to alleviate this problem and it is cowardly because it politically placates voting blocs while dividing citizens

What I see is that nature has its limits. Recognition of that should be the first step toward problem solving. Problem solving means dealing effectively honestly and intelligently with intent of solving the problem.

We are not doing that by passing laws to placate voting blocs
whether its transgender issues, same sex marriage, climate change GMO's etc. Why this nation makes everything political in my view is because certain people use these issue as a basis to form collectives and collectives mean power and power always corrupts

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We'd have a tiered "class system" like India...we all know there's no equality in nature. A certain group would be the "untouchables".

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I can't believe this stupid thread of no consequence and who gives a :censored:, still lives.

They are not normal and are part of the .003% of the population.....a grain of sand on the beach, a fly spec amonst the pepper.....a political irritant at best.

They are not of any interest what so ever to the reality of the average persons normal life style.......until pushed in their face every day at every turn in the media, the movies, television......who gives a :censored: about them, where they are or what they do.

If one wants to know about the odd just go to Ripley's and look them up.

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To expand on someone's earlier post. ....

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160505/51e29ea5abdf272d4cc145a7116b6b38.jpg

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I can't believe this stupid thread of no consequence and who gives a :censored:, still lives.

They are not normal and are part of the .003% of the population.....a grain of sand on the beach, a fly spec amonst the pepper.....a political irritant at best.

They are not of any interest what so ever to the reality of the average persons normal life style.......until pushed in their face every day at every turn in the media, the movies, television......who gives a :censored: about them, where they are or what they do.

If one wants to know about the odd just go to Ripley's and look them up.

I feel that way about most minorities too...I have my own life, I don't need to know about yours. If it's so hard here, go somewhere it's easier for you.

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He also made a good decision on transsexuals and he is worldly enough to know that violence against this group of people can be prevented by treated them like the human beings they are and many of these transgenders may be Republicans as well.

Did someone mention violence against this group? Who cares how .03% of the population votes? Why are you trying to make them more than what they are = a very small group of people that want to disrupt the lives of the many around them (especially the ones that don't pay any attention to them). Why do they have to make an issue of this, go in what ever bathroom they want and shut up! They get weird with my wife, daughter , or son in the bathroom and I will make them wish they had not left their house that day (and I don't care if they are transgender or not)! I get the feeling these small % groups would like a special entrance to all places, maybe one with flashing lights that activate upon use, so they can be noticed...

STOCK UP ON AMMO!

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They are mentally impaired and should receive treatment and sympathy, not "normal" status and not endorsed. What's next, tell Liz Warren that it's ok for her to be a native/Indian American? Do we tell that girl that has been masquerading as an African American working for the NAACP, that it's OK and she can have minority status? Maybe we will start believing in werewolves and vampires next? It's time for the government to get out of the sexual orientation business and concentrate of Constitutional issues like national defense. If you want to use the female restroom, get a gender operation and the same with using a male restroom. No one is going to challenge you if you have the proper plumbing. But, you are still sick and should really seek a mental health professional.

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They are mentally impaired and should receive treatment and sympathy, not "normal" status and not endorsed. What's next, tell Liz Warren that it's ok for her to be a native/Indian American? Do we tell that girl that has been masquerading as an African American working for the NAACP, that it's OK and she can have minority status? Maybe we will start believing in werewolves and vampires next? It's time for the government to get out of the sexual orientation business and concentrate of Constitutional issues like national defense. If you want to use the female restroom, get a gender operation and the same with using a male restroom. No one is going to challenge you if you have the proper plumbing. But, you are still sick and should really seek a mental health professional.

Elizabeth Warren Native American / Cherokee Controversy << Elizabeth Warren Wiki (http://elizabethwarrenwiki.org/elizabeth-warren-native-american-cherokee-controversy/)

Seems like a non-issue.

And gender identification is not a mental health problem. Racism should be as well as hatred based on someone's gender identity.

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http://taasa.org/gender-diversity-in-the-sexual-assault-movement-katrina-stewart/

This is worth a look.

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Did someone mention violence against this group? Who cares how .03% of the population votes? Why are you trying to make them more than what they are = a very small group of people that want to disrupt the lives of the many around them (especially the ones that don't pay any attention to them). Why do they have to make an issue of this, go in what ever bathroom they want and shut up! They get weird with my wife, daughter , or son in the bathroom and I will make them wish they had not left their house that day (and I don't care if they are transgender or not)! I get the feeling these small % groups would like a special entrance to all places, maybe one with flashing lights that activate upon use, so they can be noticed...

STOCK UP ON AMMO!

Precisely, what would you have done if your son or daughter came out as gay and announced they had met another person of the same sex and were going to be married?

Would you have disowned them or what?

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Precisely, what would you have done if your son or daughter came out as gay and announced they had met another person of the same sex and were going to be married?

Would you have disowned them or what?

I'd tell them to use separate bathrooms when out in public!

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Precisely, what would you have done if your son or daughter came out as gay and announced they had met another person of the same sex and were going to be married?

Would you have disowned them or what?

Your answer was stupid. Tell the forum. How you would react to one of your children being gay and getting married to another gay?

Would you still love your child or disown them?

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Elizabeth Warren Native American / Cherokee Controversy << Elizabeth Warren Wiki (http://elizabethwarrenwiki.org/elizabeth-warren-native-american-cherokee-controversy/)

Seems like a non-issue.

And gender identification is not a mental health problem. Racism should be as well as hatred based on someone's gender identity.

Don't try to compare racism and color with the mentally impaired gender confused. There is a big difference. The only similarity is that you are born to a race and you can't change it, and you are born to a gender and no matter what you do in a lab, you can't change your gender. You can chop it off, inject silicone, put on makeup and a dress, but you are what you are, and you can't change it. So, just by saying you are a woman if you are a man, then it doesn't make you a woman. Identity confused is a mental issue, not a race issue. Take your acting to the stage because life is real no matter what you pretend. Give them sympathy, but do not give them the keys to your car. They can dress up as superman, but that does not mean that you let them jump off the roof thinking that they can fly.

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Precisely, what would you have done if your son or daughter came out as gay and announced they had met another person of the same sex and were going to be married?

Would you have disowned them or what?

I am not sure what the inference in your question is.

If a son or daughter came out as you say, yes for some the could be an issue of acceptance or rejection.

That would have nothing to do with accepting or rejecting the same sex marriages.

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Don't try to compare racism and color with the mentally impaired gender confused. There is a big difference. The only similarity is that you are born to a race and you can't change it, and you are born to a gender and no matter what you do in a lab, you can't change your gender. You can chop it off, inject silicone, put on makeup and a dress, but you are what you are, and you can't change it. So, just by saying you are a woman if you are a man, then it doesn't make you a woman. Identity confused is a mental issue, not a race issue. Take your acting to the stage because life is real no matter what you pretend. Give them sympathy, but do not give them the keys to your car. They can dress up as superman, but that does not mean that you let them jump off the roof thinking that they can fly.

You talked about the differences between gays and blacks.

Just saying a people are equal doesn't make it so either. They've yet to actually prove their equality. We shouldn't be hiving them the keys either.

I am not sure what the inference in your question is.

If a son or daughter came out as you say, yes for some the could be an issue of acceptance or rejection.

That would have nothing to do with accepting or rejecting the same sex marriages.

All you can say is...

"Sorry you can't get married. That is for a man and a woman. Not two men, or two ladies, or your dog or cat, or anything other than a man and women.

Have you thought about counseling? How to cope with your unfortunate birth defect?"

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You talked about the differences between gays and blacks.

Just saying a people are equal doesn't make it so either. They've yet to actually prove their equality. We shouldn't be hiving them the keys either.



All you can say is...

"Sorry you can't get married. That is for a man and a woman. Not two men, or two ladies, or your dog or cat, or anything other than a man and women.NOT WHAT WAS SAID OR INFERRED

Have you thought about counseling? How to cope with your unfortunate birth defect?"

Once again re-stating what another has said to make YOUR point.

As for your more than usual disrespect and dissing of another....KMA!

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Once again re-stating what another has said to make YOUR point.

As for your more than usual disrespect and dissing of another....KMA!

I made my own statement.

Why the hate? All I said was, I don't think they've successfully proven their equality. We take it for granted, but the "world evidence" doesn't support that thinking. The Irish, Polish, Italians, all proved their equality. It's been 150 years and I'm still waiting. Different genetics. It matters.

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I made my own statement.

Why the hate? All I said was, I don't think they've successfully proven their equality. We take it for granted, but the "world evidence" doesn't support that thinking. The Irish, Polish, Italians, all proved their equality. It's been 150 years and I'm still waiting. Different genetics. It matters.

What does that mean "Proven their equality"?

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What does that mean "Proven their equality"?

Guide to Law Online: U.S. Constitution | Law Library of Congress (https://www.loc.gov/law/help/guide/federal/usconst.php)

The US and State Constitutions give people unalienable rights upon birth in the US or its territories. It does not seem to matter if they want to dress like their opposite sex or become members of the opposite sex.

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What does that mean "Proven their equality"?

Minorities, they've failed to prove their equality. Why do we need all these special programs? Affirmative action? Quotas? If they were truly equal, they'd need none of that. The Italians, Irish, Poles, they needed none of that and they PROVED their worth. Asian people look "different", nobody discriminates. Indians are BLACK skinned, they do well in this country. African blacks and American Indians, don't and seem to can't succeed.

Guide to Law Online: U.S. Constitution | Law Library of Congress (https://www.loc.gov/law/help/guide/federal/usconst.php)

The US and State Constitutions give people unalienable rights upon birth in the US or its territories. It does not seem to matter if they want to dress like their opposite sex or become members of the opposite sex.

Yes yes yes...the "law". Words made up by political men to control people. Most likely blackmailed. Only brainwashing the youth and waiting for the old to die could make us accept their perversion...their fetish.

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It is really sad to know that some of our community members are so intolerant, judgemental, angry and hateful toward their fellow human beings. I wonder if some of those people are the ones that pack the parking lots at their churches every Sunday, then spew hate and anger anonymously through these posts. I tend to believe there are kind people who work make the world better for everyone, everyday. That is why it saddens and disappoints me to know of the other end of the spectrum.

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I made my own statement.

Why the hate? All I said was, I don't think they've successfully proven their equality. We take it for granted, but the "world evidence" doesn't support that thinking. The Irish, Polish, Italians, all proved their equality. It's been 150 years and I'm still waiting. Different genetics. It matters.

And what was the reason for the nasty statement you closed your catharsis with?
"Have you thought about counseling? How to cope with your unfortunate birth defect?"

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Precisely, what would you have done if your son or daughter came out as gay and announced they had met another person of the same sex and were going to be married?

Would you have disowned them or what?

Not a concern, my kids are heterosexuals...like the other 96.4% of the population. From what I can tell my kids don't hang with people that smoke, do drugs, are in trouble, or weird. My kids respect me, know where I stand on issues, they really work hard at everything they do, and I let them know I am proud of them. Not to say we have not had some struggles along the way over the last 20 years, but nothing serious (son flipped a utv and needed surgery, and the daughter has broken every cell phone she has had).

I know, you think I am lucky...I think I am too!

STOCK UP ON AMMO!

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Precisely, what would you have done if your son or daughter came out as gay and announced they had met another person of the same sex and were going to be married?

Would you have disowned them or what?

What does this have to do with transgenders using the same restroom as your children or wife? Gays may be a related issue, but not all gays dress as an opposite gender so your question is ludicrous. But why would anyone expect different from liberals, just diversion from the subject.

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Elizabeth Warren Native American / Cherokee Controversy << Elizabeth Warren Wiki (http://elizabethwarrenwiki.org/elizabeth-warren-native-american-cherokee-controversy/)

Seems like a non-issue.

And gender identification is not a mental health problem. Racism should be as well as hatred based on someone's gender identity.

“Being Native American has been part of my story I guess since the day I was born,” said Warren ...."

"Later, reporters uncovered that Warren had represented herself to both U. Penn[16] and Harvard for federal reporting purposes...."

If this is not a mental issue, then being a pathological liar is. Obama can prove he is half white, if he ever wished to. His mother was white. Warren said she was native American when she wasn't. She lied. A transgender person can say they are female all they wish, but they are just lying on a consistent basis. If that is not a mental issue, I think someone does not know what the term means. I can put on a Superman costume but that will not make me Superman. I can put on a shark costume but that does not mean that I can live under water. A male can dress up as a female, but that won't give him the ability to get pregnant, and it won't change what his blood chemistry identifies him as.

So, yes it IS a mental issue. It should be treated, not encouraged.

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The Biggest Obstacle to Gender Neutral Bathrooms? Building Codes. - Reason.com (http://reason.com/archives/2014/04/11/gender-neutral-bathrooms-building-codes)

Interesting article.

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It is really sad to know that some of our community members are so intolerant, judgemental, angry and hateful toward their fellow human beings. I wonder if some of those people are the ones that pack the parking lots at their churches every Sunday, then spew hate and anger anonymously through these posts. I tend to believe there are kind people who work make the world better for everyone, everyday. That is why it saddens and disappoints me to know of the other end of the spectrum.

You judge too lady. You judge murderers, pedophiles, rapists, robbers. You even judge lesser behaviors as "unacceptable". Well, THIS is unacceptable to me.

And what was the reason for the nasty statement you closed your catharsis with?
"Have you thought about counseling? How to cope with your unfortunate birth defect?"

That was a comment about a gay child wanting to get married. I'd have told them they can't and they should be counseled. Gay IS an unfortunate birth defect.

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You judge too lady. You judge murderers, pedophiles, rapists, robbers. You even judge lesser behaviors as "unacceptable". Well, THIS is unacceptable to me.



That was a comment about a gay child wanting to get married. I'd have told them they can't and they should be counseled. Gay IS an unfortunate birth defect.

Not to interject when you are having a legitimate disagreement with the liberal, but personally, I do not consider Gay as being a birth defect. It may be, but I consider it to be a behavioral defect, or mental defect. Something that should be treated as such and not to be encouraged as a "normal" trait. I do not see pedophiles being treated as "normal" and they are mentally impaired. Incest is not considered a normal behavior. Bestiality is not considered normal behavior, at least in this country. Denmark seems to find it acceptable.

Gay is deviant behavior, or abnormal behavior. It may be tolerated in privacy, as innocent and not dangerous to two consenting adults, but it is certainly NOT normal and should not be encouraged, or tolerated in public and definitely not taught to our children as normal behavior.

But, the subject is not regarding gay acceptance but transgender restrooms. And I stand by the idea or view that anyone that wishes to cross dress, should stil be required to utilize the restroom according to their plumbing. They may be regarded rightfully as unusual, a spectacle or weird, but that is their choice.

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Well, someone needs help--that's for sure.

If you think there might be something wrong with homosexuality, you most likely have a mental disorder, according to a recent study by a team of Italian researchers.

Discussing the study, lead researcher Emmanuele A. Jannini, M.D., stated: “After discussing for centuries if homosexuality is to be considered a disease, for the first time we demonstrated that the real disease to be cured is homophobia, associated with potentially severe psychopathologies.”
It’s official: ‘Homophobia’ now a mental disorder! (http://www.wnd.com/2015/11/its-official-homophobia-now-a-mental-disorder/)


That’s right. The research team specifically found that “psychoticism,” “immature defense mechanisms” and a “fearful attachment style” were associated with a greater “homophobic” attitude in individuals


Read more at It’s official: ‘Homophobia’ now a mental disorder! (http://www.wnd.com/2015/11/its-official-homophobia-now-a-mental-disorder/#WO0XOUgFGfDYqJVM.99)

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Well, someone needs help--that's for sure.

If you think there might be something wrong with homosexuality, you most likely have a mental disorder, according to a recent study by a team of Italian researchers.

Discussing the study, lead researcher Emmanuele A. Jannini, M.D., stated: “After discussing for centuries if homosexuality is to be considered a disease, for the first time we demonstrated that the real disease to be cured is homophobia, associated with potentially severe psychopathologies.”
It’s official: ‘Homophobia’ now a mental disorder! (http://www.wnd.com/2015/11/its-official-homophobia-now-a-mental-disorder/)


That’s right. The research team specifically found that “psychoticism,” “immature defense mechanisms” and a “fearful attachment style” were associated with a greater “homophobic” attitude in individuals


Read more at It’s official: ‘Homophobia’ now a mental disorder! (http://www.wnd.com/2015/11/its-official-homophobia-now-a-mental-disorder/#WO0XOUgFGfDYqJVM.99)

HA, HA, HA....ITALIAN??? HA, HA, HA.

Sorry, if you want to talk about perverts, ask an expert...an Italian. Ask the Romans for advice on perversion.

Now, you are going to say that homophobia is the disorder? Wow, have you liberals gone over the cliff.

Obviously another atheist.

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HA, HA, HA....ITALIAN??? HA, HA, HA.

Sorry, if you want to talk about perverts, ask an expert...an Italian. Ask the Romans for advice on perversion.

Now, you are going to say that homophobia is the disorder? Wow, have you liberals gone over the cliff.

Obviously another atheist.Are you saying all Italians are perverts?

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Are you saying all Italians are perverts?

Rivaled only by the French. :1rotfl:

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What does this have to do with transgenders using the same restroom as your children or wife? Gays may be a related issue, but not all gays dress as an opposite gender so your question is ludicrous. But why would anyone expect different from liberals, just diversion from the subject.

Another non-answer from a homophobic Dummy.