Tipping?

[N44125]

Currently it appears that the recommended tip for good service at a sit down restaurant is 20%. I see more and more restaurants like Chili's, etc. are going to a tablet ordering system...you place your order at your table on a tablet that is provided. The server then brings your order to you. After your meal, you see your check on this same tablet, self swipe your credit card and your done.

My question is....is the same 20% tip considered acceptable / recommended?

Just curious....

[Record10ti]

Currently it appears that the recommended tip for good service at a sit down restaurant is 20%. I see more and more restaurants like Chili's, etc. are going to a tablet ordering system...you place your order at your table on a tablet that is provided. The server then brings your order to you. After your meal, you see your check on this same tablet, self swipe your credit card and your done.

My question is....is the same 20% tip considered acceptable / recommended?

Just curious....


No service, no tip. I also don't tip when I get my morning coffee at McDonalds. I tip very well for good service, and it is more and more rare. (I wont bring up the $15 min. wage...wait, I just did).

[JoMar]

I never felt that writing the order was a big part of the tip. Getting the order right, followup if there is an issue with the food, periodically checking back and timely delivery of the product as ordered drives my policy. In the tablet scenario, if the food is delivered and I don't see a server again then the tip will be adjusted down. If the server meets my other requirements then it stays the same. I expect that many restaurants will try to hold down their costs by implementing technology and I personally am ok with that.

[biker1]

Tipping is a personal thing. Tip as you feel appropriate based on the service you receive.

Currently it appears that the recommended tip for good service at a sit down restaurant is 20%. I see more and more restaurants like Chili's, etc. are going to a tablet ordering system...you place your order at your table on a tablet that is provided. The server then brings your order to you. After your meal, you see your check on this same tablet, self swipe your credit card and your done.

My question is....is the same 20% tip considered acceptable / recommended?

Just curious....

[Record10ti]

Sure a wait person is part of a tip. It starts at the door - then getting water. But the staff is key (lets me know of specials)...and in some instances, ruin a place for instance "Takis Greek Italian Restaurant" - the waitress was terrible, the hostess was super nice (hostess was a better server than the server). I went once, and will never go back....not just because of the mediocre food - but because the waitress was so incompetant (you mean an appetizer comes BEFORE the meal??)

Back on topic, as a foodie I try to not go to the "chains", and thus dont run into the table kiosks...but, when I do - tip is altered and not into the favor of the server (because that is all they are, a server - I want an "advisor")

[NYGUY]

I never felt that writing the order was a big part of the tip. Getting the order right, followup if there is an issue with the food, periodically checking back and timely delivery of the product as ordered drives my policy. In the tablet scenario, if the food is delivered and I don't see a server again then the tip will be adjusted down. If the server meets my other requirements then it stays the same. I expect that many restaurants will try to hold down their costs by implementing technology and I personally am ok with that.

:agree:

And I like tablet ordering as it assures the order is written correctly!!

[bagboy]

If all went well during my visit to a restaurant with respect to service, I would tip at least 20% regardless of how I ordered the meal or how I paid for it. I don't hold servers responsible for the actions of others, hostess/cooks/mgrs etc.

[gap2415]

A tip is just that. Something freely given as a reward for good service. It's not an excuse to subsidize wages or anything else, it is a reward that can be earned but it is freely given. Whoever came up with this or that acceptable percentage led us astray but it has caught on and become the norm...whatever that is...and most of us play the game.

[Record10ti]

If all went well during my visit to a restaurant with respect to service, I would tip at least 20% regardless of how I ordered the meal or how I paid for it. I don't hold servers responsible for the actions of others, hostess/cooks/mgrs etc.

"TEAM" - the waitstaff is the representative of the establishment. They also more often than not "tip share". Wrong food? Blame the chef? No, I blame the representative. I tip for service (far over 400% on occasions) - no service, no tip. Kiosk at the table, lower tip.

[RickeyD]

45 years ago I attempted to leave Dangerfields nightclub with a less then adequate tip. I was met at the exit door by two very large and very mean looking men. I went back to my table and left more of a tip. I was then allowed to leave. Stupid kid learned quick.

[Polar Bear]

45 years ago I attempted to leave Dangerfields nightclub with a less then adequate tip. I was met at the exit door by two very large and very mean looking men. I went back to my table and left more of a tip. I was then allowed to leave. Stupid kid learned quick.
That wasn't a tip you left. :)

[Record10ti]

45 years ago I attempted to leave Dangerfields nightclub with a less then adequate tip. I was met at the exit door by two very large and very mean looking men. I went back to my table and left more of a tip. I was then allowed to leave. Stupid kid learned quick.

LOL - I hope there were "Hooters"...

[bagboy]

"TEAM" - the waitstaff is the representative of the establishment. They also more often than not "tip share". Wrong food? Blame the chef? No, I blame the representative. I tip for service (far over 400% on occasions) - no service, no tip. Kiosk at the table, lower tip.

Well, thankfully I decide what service pleases me and how I spend (tip) my money. If people want to look for reasons to stiff a good server because of the actions of others, that's their choice.

[Nucky]

45 years ago I attempted to leave Dangerfields nightclub with a less then adequate tip. I was met at the exit door by two very large and very mean looking men. I went back to my table and left more of a tip. I was then allowed to leave. Stupid kid learned quick.

That was you? Damn I'm sorry! LOL :bigbow:

[CWGUY]

Well, thankfully I decide what service pleases me and how I spend (tip) my money. If people want to look for reasons to stiff a good server because of the actions of others, that's their choice.

:ohdear: You hit the nail on the head with that one. I am amazed with the number of :censored: CHEAP people I have seen in The Villages.

[ColdNoMore]

:ohdear: You hit the nail on the head with that one. I am amazed with the number of :censored: CHEAP people I have seen in The Villages.

Yep.

Had a neighbor that bragged about her server forgetting her bill in a large group, so she was able to eat for free (no tip either)!

Bragging about it for cripes sake. :oops:

[Chatbrat]

I seen person leave 37 cents at a bar for 2 drinks. My wife embarrassed him so much that one of his buds dropped $2.00 on the bar as a tip.

[ColdNoMore]

I seen person leave 37 cents at a bar for 2 drinks. My wife embarrassed him so much that one of his buds dropped $2.00 on the bar as a tip.

Kudos to your wife for having the integrity to speak up.

[VillagerNut]

Currently it appears that the recommended tip for good service at a sit down restaurant is 20%. I see more and more restaurants like Chili's, etc. are going to a tablet ordering system...you place your order at your table on a tablet that is provided. The server then brings your order to you. After your meal, you see your check on this same tablet, self swipe your credit card and your done.

My question is....is the same 20% tip considered acceptable / recommended?

Just curious....
The tabletop tablet as you called it at Chili's and Olive Garden does not take your order. The server takes your order originally just like normal. If you want to reorder a drink or need your server you can push the button. But the main reason those devices are there is so you can pay your bill via secure credit card that you do not have to give your credit card to a server to handle. I never use the tablet for anything more than paying my bill. I'm very grateful for any restaurant that has the devices since I prefer not to give my credit card to anybody.

[outlaw]

I usually tip 500% of my bill. But, to the OP's point. This new ordering/paying system is just the result of increased costs foisted upon small business via ACA and minimum wage laws. It is the march towards employee reduction. Robotics did it to manufacturing (pushed forward by union wage/benefits demands). Now, given that these "improvements" reduce employee count, the remaining few employees have a larger customer base. So, assuming the same employee effort, they should get the same overall earnings. Thus, as more of the service is automated, it could be argued that the per meal tip should go down. Unless, of course, one thinks that the consumer should not share in the benefits of the restaurants' capital improvements. Are the tippers still going to tip when the restaurant is fully robot operated? Robots have to make a living wage, too.

[joec3]

I hate percentage tipping. leave what you feel the server has earned in providing service.

[Rebel Pirate]

I usually tip 500% of my bill. But, to the OP's point. This new ordering/paying system is just the result of increased costs foisted upon small business via ACA and minimum wage laws. It is the march towards employee reduction. Robotics did it to manufacturing (pushed forward by union wage/benefits demands). Now, given that these "improvements" reduce employee count, the remaining few employees have a larger customer base. So, assuming the same employee effort, they should get the same overall earnings. Thus, as more of the service is automated, it could be argued that the per meal tip should go down. Unless, of course, one thinks that the consumer should not share in the benefits of the restaurants' capital improvements. Are the tippers still going to tip when the restaurant is fully robot operated? Robots have to make a living wage, too.

So if you and your spouse eat out and the bill is $50, your tip is $250?

[outlaw]

So if you and your spouse eat out and the bill is $50, your tip is $250?

I usually only have a glass of water.

[Nucky]

20% is the starting place for TIPS. I'm surprised no one pointed out TIPS stands for To Insure Prompt Service. The people serving you are not there because it's a game. They have Mortgages, Insurance, Car Payments, Etc just like everyone else. I think your conscience should be your guide. If you don't have enough money to tip properly stay home. It may help some of those who have Alligator Arms to imagine the person serving them was their relative. It was sad when a young neighbor told us about the shabby tips he received when working at Red Lobster.

[HimandMe]

Am I the only one having a hard time with some of these threads? If tipping is an act of generosity for good service, given without strings how did it ever become something "expected" or worse"demanded". How can people call others cheap or stiffing others for not putting out like they do for reasons they may or may not understand. When did this system change into something other than what it originally was? It didn't change in Europe, at least in parts I've travelled to where you put down a single Euro as a tip and the staff shakes your Hank thankfully. When did it change here into a system to bolster up the salary of underpaid staff and if you didn't or perhaps came from Europe like my girlfriend and didn't understand, were called cheap?

A tip was always a tip for good service....not something automatically expected....and btw....we are generous people with good hearts, just having a problem with this thread.

[Boomer]

Yep.

Had a neighbor that bragged about her server forgetting her bill in a large group, so she was able to eat for free (no tip either)!

Bragging about it for cripes sake. :oops:


With just a sentence or two, that woman spoke volumes about who she really is. I bet many of those who heard her wrote her off as someone they definitely did not want to know better.

[Nucky]

Am I the only one having a hard time with some of these threads? If tipping is an act of generosity for good service, given without strings how did it ever become something "expected" or worse"demanded". How can people call others cheap or stiffing others for not putting out like they do for reasons they may or may not understand. When did this system change into something other than what it originally was? It didn't change in Europe, at least in parts I've travelled to where you put down a single Euro as a tip and the staff shakes your Hank thankfully. When did it change here into a system to bolster up the salary of underpaid staff and if you didn't or perhaps came from Europe like my girlfriend and didn't understand, were called cheap?

A tip was always a tip for good service....not something automatically expected....and btw....we are generous people with good hearts, just having a problem with this thread.

Very good point. Many different nationalities are totally unaware of the concept of leaving a gratuity. If the situation presents itself I think it's good to school them because they are here not there. It doesn't have to be a showdown just an explanation. These people are not cheap they just don't know our customs. It changed when employers realized they could pay less and lower their payroll and keep a little more. Owning a business in the United States is not easy, everyone has their hand in your pocket. Small business owners are amazing people. :clap2:

[outlaw]

Am I the only one having a hard time with some of these threads? If tipping is an act of generosity for good service, given without strings how did it ever become something "expected" or worse"demanded". How can people call others cheap or stiffing others for not putting out like they do for reasons they may or may not understand. When did this system change into something other than what it originally was? It didn't change in Europe, at least in parts I've travelled to where you put down a single Euro as a tip and the staff shakes your Hank thankfully. When did it change here into a system to bolster up the salary of underpaid staff and if you didn't or perhaps came from Europe like my girlfriend and didn't understand, were called cheap?

A tip was always a tip for good service....not something automatically expected....and btw....we are generous people with good hearts, just having a problem with this thread.

It's called group shaming. Very PC right now. Mostly facebook and twitter types enjoy doing it. Also, it gives them a chance to brag about their "generosity". I have yet to brag about a $500 tip I gave to this masseuse in Thailand.

[outlaw]

It used to be 10%, then 15%, now 20%?! If it's based on the bill, why does the rate keep going up? If someone has steak and lobster, why should they pay more than the person who had a hamburger and fries? They both got the same service and likely the same effort from the waitress.

[Record10ti]

The tabletop tablet as you called it at Chili's and Olive Garden does not take your order. The server takes your order originally just like normal. If you want to reorder a drink or need your server you can push the button. But the main reason those devices are there is so you can pay your bill via secure credit card that you do not have to give your credit card to a server to handle. I never use the tablet for anything more than paying my bill. I'm very grateful for any restaurant that has the devices since I prefer not to give my credit card to anybody.

And you think the WiFi at Chilli's is secure? Trust me, if someone wants it they are going to get it.

[maureenod]

Servers do not get minimum wage. Their hourly wage is much lower. They also have to do "side work" before and after, usually 2 hour each shift. And also, the poster that said the server forgot her bill. Well, that was taken out of the servers pay. I was a server in collage and I would rather stand on a corner with a cup than do that again.

[NYGUY]

When did it change here into a system to bolster up the salary of underpaid staff....

When restaurants were allowed to underpay their staff by not even paying minimum wage.

[Record10ti]

When restaurants were allowed to underpay their staff by not even paying minimum wage.


You of course understand that a certain position only offers a certain wage....


https://i.ytimg.com/vi/8i5OrcxwFUA/maxresdefault.jpg

[outlaw]

When restaurants were allowed to underpay their staff by not even paying minimum wage.

So you don't believe in the market theory of supply and demand?

[biker1]

In FL, the minimum wage for wait staff is $8.05 per hour. If the combination of the hourly wage and tips do not add up to $8.05 per hour the employer must pay additional money so that they realize $8.05 per hour.


When restaurants were allowed to underpay their staff by not even paying minimum wage.

[HimandMe]

Yet tips aren't meant to be "wages"...nor is it fair to the hard working server that always goes the extra mile that the slacker ...expects...demands the rewards of a tip...that only the eager beaver really deserves...

i like customs of reward for good work ...paying it forward, giving anonymously but not blanket expectations especially when service is quite bad or when it is automatically decided that a percentage is put on my bill either way, as a matter of 'company' policy.

Am I wrong in my thinking?

[Barefoot]

I usually tip 500% of my bill. Are the tippers still going to tip when the restaurant is fully robot operated? Robots have to make a living wage, too.

So if you and your spouse eat out and the bill is $50, your tip is $250?

Based on Outlaw's final comment, I think he is tickling our funny bones.

[rubicon]

Am I the only one having a hard time with some of these threads? If tipping is an act of generosity for good service, given without strings how did it ever become something "expected" or worse"demanded". How can people call others cheap or stiffing others for not putting out like they do for reasons they may or may not understand. When did this system change into something other than what it originally was? It didn't change in Europe, at least in parts I've travelled to where you put down a single Euro as a tip and the staff shakes your Hank thankfully. When did it change here into a system to bolster up the salary of underpaid staff and if you didn't or perhaps came from Europe like my girlfriend and didn't understand, were called cheap?

A tip was always a tip for good service....not something automatically expected....and btw....we are generous people with good hearts, just having a problem with this thread.

Himand Me: I agree with you 100%. However it seems our society has been compromised by rickeyD's The Dangerfield Effect"", "America's Entitlement "Mentality" or "Customer Guilt"
tipping should be made commensurate with performance

The push by government/unions in minimum wage, regulations is pushing restaurants to invest in better technology .

I personally would rather order from a tablet and have a robot bring my order to the table

Naw I'm kidding I missed the human interaction

[PennBF]

I remember many years ago my wife and I were on our way to a function and we stopped at a small restaurant to have something to eat. The service was terrible and the food OK. I was not happy and left with giving only a 5% tip. We went to the function and all evening I was haunted by the fact that the poor waitress that waited on us was probably relying on the tips to pay for her family and meet expenses. As a result I drove an extra 20 miles to go back to that restaurant and as luck would have it it was still open. I went in and told the poor waitress I forgot to leave a
respectable tip and gave her the 20% I should have. The lesson I received from this is to think of the person serving, they may not be perfect and it may or may not be their problem but it is what they use to support their family and we owe that to them. I leave a 20% now and I don't have any second thoughts about the service or food. So what, we are lucky to be able to eat out.:ho:

[ColdNoMore]

I remember many years ago my wife and I were on our way to a function and we stopped at a small restaurant to have something to eat. The service was terrible and the food OK. I was not happy and left with giving only a 5% tip. We went to the function and all evening I was haunted by the fact that the poor waitress that waited on us was probably relying on the tips to pay for her family and meet expenses. As a result I drove an extra 20 miles to go back to that restaurant and as luck would have it it was still open. I went in and told the poor waitress I forgot to leave a
respectable tip and gave her the 20% I should have. The lesson I received from this is to think of the person serving, they may not be perfect and it may or may not be their problem but it is what they use to support their family and we owe that to them. I leave a 20% now and I don't have any second thoughts about the service or food. So what, we are lucky to be able to eat out.:ho:


This world needs more people like you.

:BigApplause::BigApplause:

[Nucky]

I remember many years ago my wife and I were on our way to a function and we stopped at a small restaurant to have something to eat. The service was terrible and the food OK. I was not happy and left with giving only a 5% tip. We went to the function and all evening I was haunted by the fact that the poor waitress that waited on us was probably relying on the tips to pay for her family and meet expenses. As a result I drove an extra 20 miles to go back to that restaurant and as luck would have it it was still open. I went in and told the poor waitress I forgot to leave a
respectable tip and gave her the 20% I should have. The lesson I received from this is to think of the person serving, they may not be perfect and it may or may not be their problem but it is what they use to support their family and we owe that to them. I leave a 20% now and I don't have any second thoughts about the service or food. So what, we are lucky to be able to eat out.:ho:

Eureka! The Voice Of Reason. On The $$Money$$. :bigbow:

[Marathon Man]

I remember many years ago my wife and I were on our way to a function and we stopped at a small restaurant to have something to eat. The service was terrible and the food OK. I was not happy and left with giving only a 5% tip. We went to the function and all evening I was haunted by the fact that the poor waitress that waited on us was probably relying on the tips to pay for her family and meet expenses. As a result I drove an extra 20 miles to go back to that restaurant and as luck would have it it was still open. I went in and told the poor waitress I forgot to leave a
respectable tip and gave her the 20% I should have. The lesson I received from this is to think of the person serving, they may not be perfect and it may or may not be their problem but it is what they use to support their family and we owe that to them. I leave a 20% now and I don't have any second thoughts about the service or food. So what, we are lucky to be able to eat out.:ho:

And I will add my :clap2:

Tipping has become part of the cost of eating a meal in any dining establishment that takes orders at the table and then brings the food and beverages to you. I personally don't think that the original intent, or how the whole thing got started, really matters. Those of us who are fortunate enough to be able to dine out can afford a few bucks to help someone who may very well need that small amount much more than us. It is often more about kindness than satifaction with the restaurant.

[ColdNoMore]

And I will add my :clap2:

Tipping has become part of the cost of eating a meal in any dining establishment that takes orders at the table and then brings the food and beverages to you. I personally don't think that the original intent, or how the whole thing got started, really matters. Those of us who are fortunate enough to be able to dine out can afford a few bucks to help someone who may very well need that small amount much more than us. It is often more about kindness than satifaction with the restaurant.

Another great post. :coolsmiley:

Let's not forget that the IRS assumes that a server will receive additional compensation over and above their base salary (8% I believe?) and will be taxed accordingly.

So if said server does not average that 8%, then they are taxed on money that they did not actually receive.

I'm guessing no one on here would take kindly to being taxed on money they didn't actually bring in, so it is easy to see (at least for me) that a couple of extra bucks for a tip is the right thing to do.

As someone else mentioned, I am just grateful that I can eat out anytime I choose whereas there are so many people that cannot.

[HimandMe]

I get it finally. Here in the U.S. It is a kindness for underpaid workers.

[Bogie Shooter]

I get it finally. Here in the U.S. It is a kindness for underpaid workers.

As compared to where?

[HimandMe]

It was mentioned earlier, in parts of Europe,you leave a single Euro as a thank you for good service.
In Canada, you leave 10-20% depending but minimum wage is $15 not including tips,and given for good service...other countries, I'm not sure.

[Barefoot]

In Canada, you leave 10-20% depending; but minimum wage is $15 not including tips, and given for good service.
Yes, in Canada restaurant prices are higher, and servers are paid a decent salary.
A tip is given as a thank-you for good service.

In Florida, here is the way it seems to me. Correct me if I'm wrong, and I'm sure someone will! :)
- Food prices in restaurants are kept low to attract customers.
- A 15 to 20% tip is expected. Not as a reward, but as a subsidy for a lower pay scale.
- A thank you tip can then be added for very good service.
:duck:

[biker1]

There is no right or wrong. A tip may be expected but it is not guaranteed. If the service is poor then no tip should be expected. Badly prepared food by the kitchen is not the server's fault and does not constitute bad service. When this occurs, you should ask for the manager as I don't believe the wait staff should have to deal with problems in the kitchen.


Yes, in Canada restaurant prices are higher, and servers are paid a decent salary.
A tip is given as a thank-you for good service.

In Florida, here is the way it seems to me. Correct me if I'm wrong, and I'm sure someone will! :)
- Food prices in restaurants are kept low to attract customers.
- A 15 to 20% tip is expected. Not as a reward, but as a subsidy for a lower pay scale.
- A thank you tip can then be added for very good service.
:duck:

[NYGUY]

In FL, the minimum wage for wait staff is $8.05 per hour. If the combination of the hourly wage and tips do not add up to $8.05 per hour the employer must pay additional money so that they realize $8.05 per hour.

The minimum wage in Florida for tipped employees is $5.03 per hour..http://floridajobs.org/docs/default-source/2016-minimum-wage-increases/poster-fl_minwage2016.pdf

[biker1]

The employer must pay a "make up" if the sum of the hourly wage (a minimum of $5.03 per hour) plus tips doesn't amount to a total of $8.05 per hour for wait staff (tipped employees). If a member of the wait staff gets zero tips they will still make $8.05 per hour. In other words, the minimum wage is $8.05 per hour for wait staff.

The minimum wage in Florida for tipped employees is $5.03 per hour..http://floridajobs.org/docs/default-source/2016-minimum-wage-increases/poster-fl_minwage2016.pdf

[blyarbrough]

RickeyD.....did you ever go back.

[Walter123]

20% is good. Really, what's another $1.50 or so. From what I see, most people order water so that's a savings of $2.50 anyway.

[biker1]

Most people order water?? You must frequent different haunts then I do. LOL

20% is good. Really, what's another $1.50 or so. From what I see, most people order water so that's a savings of $2.50 anyway.

[Walter123]

Most people order water?? You must frequent different haunts than I do. LOL

Guess so. Do you live in The Villages?

[Barefoot]

From what I see, most people order water so that's a savings of $2.50 anyway. I guess the people you know don't frequent 2 for 1 happy hours. :shocked:

[Walter123]

I guess the people you know don't frequent 2 for 1 happy hours. :shocked:

That is correct, but these are people I don't know. Sometimes I even see people add their own water flavoring to the water. It's a cheap thing to do and not fair to the wait staff.

[Springs1]

Badly prepared food by the kitchen is not the server's fault and does not constitute bad service.

I actually can be, here's why:

90% of the time it's the SERVER'S FAULT:

1. They can put in the order wrong into the computer or if it's a written ticket they submit, they could have written something down wrong or hard to read.

2. They could have forgotten to put in the order in the first place.

3. Servers can also misunderstand what the customer is saying such as 2 times when I ordered 2 sides of bbq sauce and the stupid idiot servers thought I didn’t want bbq sauce on my ribs when I NEVER ONCE SAID I didn’t and I didn’t say “ON THE SIDE”, I SAID SIDES, which means extra. One of those times I said extra even.

4. Most mistakes with food are visible:

A. Condiments of any kind regardless of who brings out the food can be brought out by the server ahead of time.

B. If someone orders extra crispy bacon with their pancakes, then the bacon looks limp, not stiff, and you can even see some white fat on it, guess what? MY SERVER COULD HAVE SEEN THAT TOO AND TOLD THE COOKS IT WASN'T CORRECT, TO RECOOK IT INSTEAD OF BRINGING IT TO ME WRONG IN THE FIRST PLACE!

C. Any wrong side dishes or entrees are the fault of the server if they bring out the food even if they put in the order right. You can tell the difference between a baked potato and mac n' cheese, yet, a waiter at Logan's Roadhouse was so stupid as to bring me mac n' cheese when I ordered a baked potato. I noticed it within 5 seconds of the food hitting my table. Like DUH a baked potato looks completely different from mac n' cheese.

D. Any MISSING side dishes, appetizers, condiments, or entrees ARE the server's fault if they bring out the food as well. Have had that happen a few times or so. Our servers aren't blind, so they can tell if something is missing or not.

E. I have seen a red steak delivered to someone before at Outback which means let's say the customer ordered their steak well done, that the server could have noticed the color difference as in someone's example “Steak cooked rare instead of well done ? It’s not your server’s fault, they didn’t cook it, it’s the kitchen’s fault.”

F. If something LOOKS burnt such as a piece of bread with the food and the person didn't order it burnt, my server is at fault for serving me that.

G. If my server forgets an item that an entree or appetizer comes with, that's their fault if they brought me my food without the item such as a side dish or ranch.

H. I have ordered at Outback my fries "lightly cooked" "Not overdone and yellow not brown." I have had their fries before cooked the way I like them before many of times before this time I am talking about. This stupid waitress decided to blame the kitchen staff for REALLY DARK BROWN FRIES as if she was blind or something and my husband even told me he could see that they were really dark. My husband may not agree with me on every subject of course, but with that, you could EASILY tell just by LOOKING that those fries were overdone and very dark. She said she put in the order correctly. I am thinking, SO? I wish I could have said "Are you blind?" That was HER FAULT she DECIDED TO SERVE ME THOSE FRIES THAT WEREN'T CORRECT. I noticed the mistake within 3 seconds of my food being placed in front of me.

http://www.bunrab.com/dailyfeed/dailyfeed_images_feb-07/df07_02-04_baconn.jpg

You can tell in this picture above the bacon is very crispy just by simply LOOKING at it.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_vv2IGE5obwk/RwVi-0hZziI/AAAAAAAABjc/m6bP-Te_wJE/s320/IMG_8338.jpg

You can tell in this picture above the bacon is NOT CRISPY, just by simple LOOKING at the bacon.

While the server didn't "COOK" the bacon, it's obvious to the *SERVER'S* EYES that one batch of bacon is crispy and the other isn't to decide to BRING the food to the customer wrong or not. It's my server's fault if they decide to bring me the bacon that's like in picture 2 if I ordered it crispy that she or he didn't tell the cooks it was wrong and get them to cook the bacon more instead of SERVING it wrong. WHY bring it out only for the food to be sent back?

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_DzuAhw_RcXU/TAyZ38A67EI/AAAAAAAAALo/R6zLKIKy1do/s1600/DSC_0006.JPG

You can clearly see the fries are overdone in the picture above if the customer ordered them "NOT OVERDONE, lightly cooked."

http://www.orthogonalthought.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/dsc_6087_550.jpg

In this picture above, you can see the fries don't appear overdone and the bacon is NOT CRISPY. If a customer asked for their bacon to be crispy, I would REFUSE to serve it and I would have enough CARING and COMMON SENSE to get that fixed **BEFORE** I brought it to the customer only to have the customer send it back or leave me a bad tip for not caring about their food.

My server's job isn't just to bring out what the kitchen staff gives them, it's also getting the order OBVIOUSLY correct to the table as much as possible in order to get that good tip. As someone said on a blog or forum “They just want to be tipped well and will do pretty much anything reasonable to get your money”, which that IS VERY REASONABLE to think OUR SERVERS ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT THEIR TIP TO GET THINGS RIGHT TO HAVE A BETTER TIP!!

Get what I am saying here? MOST of the mistakes happen due to either your server if they bring out the food or another server that doesn't compare the ticket to the food(assuming the order was put in correctly by the original server of course).

You also can notice if someone has wing sauce "On the side" vs. "On the wings" themselves. This isn't rocket science.

Most of the things that are wrong with the food can be caught by the server if they bring out the food, even if they didn't cook it. If it's another server, they can catch obvious errors on the ticket and menu(such as menu states the item comes with bbq sauce and the ticket doesn't say "no bbq sauce") if the ticket was correctly put in by the original server that took the order. Condiments(in bottles or on the side in containers) can always be offered to be brought out ahead of time REGARDLESS of WHO brings out the food to the table.

So most of the time when the food has something wrong with it, chances are, your server or another server could have caught the mistake before it got to you in most instances. I NEVER said ALL, but in most cases, it can be caught BEFORE bringing out the food(unless another server brings out the food with the ticket wrong), because then the original server that took the order is at fault for putting the order in incorrectly into the computer.

There are few rare cases where the food being wrong is the kitchen staff's fault such as raw food(such as raw chicken), slightly undercooked or overcooked food that you'd have to CUT into to know if it was under or overcooked, or anything the server cannot see with their eyes unless they were to TOUCH the food. Things such as a pickle under a bun the server can't notice unless they lift the bun, so unless they put the order in wrong, they wouldn't be at fault, but in general most food mistakes can be caught BEFORE bringing the food to the table.

What I am saying is, MOST mistakes ARE PREVENTABLE by the SERVER if they bring your order to you that they can NOTICE things wrong by comparing those written orders to the plates of food.

Once a waiter at Chili's said "The kitchen forgot" when I had ordered 2 sides of mayo and 1 side of mustard. The thing is, my waiter brought out the food, so NO, HE HE HE HE HE FORGOT, the kitchen staff didn't step out the kitchen to bring me my food and forget obvious missing containers from my plate that aren't covered up by anything. MY WAITER DID THOUGH!!

You walk in one room in your house with a plate of food, but forget the ranch. Even if your mom or significant other plated your food, which you even told her you wanted a side of ranch for your fries, but you bring it to another room. HOW IS THAT THEIR FAULT? It's YOUR FAULT YOU LEFT THE ROOM WITHOUT THE RANCH AND DIDN'T NOTICE IT SINCE IT'S SOMETHING OBVIOUS YOU DON'T HAVE TO *TOUCH* TO NOTICE THE MISTAKE!!

Even if he didn't bring out the food, that waiter could have prevented that type of thing from being forgotten since it needs no cooking to bring it out ahead of time. It is always the person bringing out the food that is at fault for any type of mistake that you don't have to TOUCH the food to notice the mistake, unless of course, the order was put in wrong by the original server that took the order with another server bringing out the food. Of course unless, the kitchen goofs up, making it correctly even if the ticket is wrong, but that's highly unlikely scenario.

I cannot believe you honestly think that the server is not at fault for most food mistakes. WE LIVED THROUGH THE "DUH" MISTAKES, SO WE CAN SEE WITH OUR EYES WHO WAS AT FAULT!!

We had a waiter once admitted he grabbed the wrong entrée from the kitchen. It was just my husband and I. This waiter not only admitted he didn't compare the WRITTEN ORDER with the entrées he was bringing out, but also we saw he had other entrées for another table that he didn't ONCE get his pad of paper out to see WHICH ENTRÉE WENT WITH WHICH TABLE!! So 2 times he could have caught his mistake, but didn't *****TRY HIS BEST AS HE SHOULD HAVE, because that's HIS JOB**!!

He admitted that he grabbed the wrong entrée from the kitchen. He brought my husband fried shrimp w/fries when he ordered crawfish au gratin w/baked potato. Those items look NOTHING A LIKE, but yet THAT WAITER WAS TOO LAZY AND UNCARING TO VERIFY *WHAT* HE WAS BRINGING US!! We still left him 17% BTW, just to let you know since he profusely apologized TWICE and FIXED THE SITUATION IMMEDIATELY just about. We honestly shouldn’t have though, because that really didn't make him LEARN anything. If I had to do it all over again, I would have tipped 13%. It's because since that happened(a number of years ago, maybe like 4), me and my husband have had some terrible experiences. We have had good ones too of course, but the servers need to LEARN that they can't just hand you ANYTHING like McDonald's cashiers do. They are there to EARN a tip, NOT to just hand you anything.

It's very rare that it's not the server's fault. Things like if I order no pickles if you took my order and brought out my food, which there are some pickles under a bun that you'd have to lift it to see it, unless you admitted putting in the order wrong, I will assume it's the kitchen staff that is at fault and probably is.

Things like raw chicken tenders aren't the fault of the server.

A slightly over or undercooked steak if the order was put in correctly is not the server's fault.

Also, some people assume things as well, that end up being wrong.

If another server brings out a wrong side dish or if they are missing items other than condiments, no it's not the server's fault if they put in the order correctly, but it still counts against the tip. It's part of the service.

Why also is it when you say "no pickles" or "ONLY lettuce and onions", they still have a pickle on the plate? WHY you servers can't understand that if the customer states they don't want pickles, that means on the plate, because otherwise, they'd specifically state they would have wanted it "ON THE SIDE." Think about it. WHY do I keep having servers bring me some pickles on the plate when I ordered no pickles? NO SERVERS ARE BLIND OR ILLITERATE that they cannot determine any of the obvious errors that don't have to be touched to notice the mistakes or mistake.

So my main point is, most of the time, the server is at fault for food issues in general. I am not saying all the time, just in most cases the mistakes are OBVIOUS to the EYES of the server or other server running the food to you or your server put in the order wrong to begin with.

Also, if a true kitchen issue comes to my table such as a slightly undercooked steak(if my server put in the order correctly), then in my personal opinion, good service would be for the server to apologize(even if it's not their fault), it's nice to hear as it's not an apology directly from that the server is taking the blame, but apologizing to the customer for their inconvenience the cook has caused them. It's basically nice to hear an apology anyways basically apologizing from the restaurant itself. Sort of like sometimes when I served customers at a donut shop/diner a very long time ago, I apologized to my customers when we were out of something. That wasn't my fault we were out of something, but still is the "polite" thing to do as to apologize to them from the business. We all know it sucks to go somewhere and they are out of something, so we all know how we feel as the customer in that situation and we all know it is nicer to hear an apology than no apology at all even if it's not directly the worker's fault that is serving you. It may not even be the manager's fault that they didn't order enough, it could just be the place sold out that people ordered a lot of the item unexpectedly or a machine doesn't work that makes the item.

When this occurs, you should ask for the manager as I don't believe the wait staff should have to deal with problems in the kitchen.

NO, the server does have deal with the kitchen staff, because that's the fastest way to get it right. They, for example, send your steak back telling them it needs more cooking. A manager does NOT need to be in that situation WHAT-SO-EVER! For every food error a manager doesn't have to be there. That is ridiculous to say such a thing. If the server had to go to the manager every single time, your steak would take over an hour. Think about it....

[Springs1]

I never felt that writing the order was a big part of the tip.

I do, because if they don't write it down, then mess up, I take MUCH MORE OFF that they didn't take any ****EFFORT***** into the job and showed/PROVED they didn't "CARE" about me being happy by trying to get my order right.

For example, if they write down my order, but forget 3 items, I will take off, but not as much as if they forget the same 3 items and didn't write it down.

Getting the order right, followup if there is an issue with the food, periodically checking back and timely delivery of the product as ordered drives my policy.

Timely delivery at times may not be a server issue(I agree in most cases it is, but not always). Such as let's say the kitchen staff drops the food on the floor once is done, well they can't serve it and it's not the server's fault. So you can't take off the tip fairly so if the kitchen staff did that.

I do agree with the rest of your sentence. I still feel by not writing it down, there's ZERO WAY of checking the food truly accurately since the server can press the wrong button or forget to ring up something. My husband and I have had this happen several times to us. Sure they have the ticket, but that's IF they put the order in right and IF they choose to even check the ticket. Most likely if they didn't write it down, they are going to be too lazy to verify the ticket as well.

[Allegiance]

Bacon and French fries are practically poison. Don't eat them and you will live to complain longer. The hamburger, bun, sausage and French toast too.

Try a salad and some salmon.

[kcrazorbackfan]

:ohdear: You hit the nail on the head with that one. I am amazed with the number of :censored: CHEAP people I have seen in The Villages.

Oh, it's probably not just here in TV. It's more than likely anywhere there is a "retirement" community where you have the select ones that consider themselves the privileged/entitled.

[outlaw]

I actually can be, here's why:

90% of the time it's the SERVER'S FAULT:

1. They can put in the order wrong into the computer or if it's a written ticket they submit, they could have written something down wrong or hard to read.

2. They could have forgotten to put in the order in the first place.

3. Servers can also misunderstand what the customer is saying such as 2 times when I ordered 2 sides of bbq sauce and the stupid idiot servers thought I didn’t want bbq sauce on my ribs when I NEVER ONCE SAID I didn’t and I didn’t say “ON THE SIDE”, I SAID SIDES, which means extra. One of those times I said extra even.

4. Most mistakes with food are visible:

A. Condiments of any kind regardless of who brings out the food can be brought out by the server ahead of time.

B. If someone orders extra crispy bacon with their pancakes, then the bacon looks limp, not stiff, and you can even see some white fat on it, guess what? MY SERVER COULD HAVE SEEN THAT TOO AND TOLD THE COOKS IT WASN'T CORRECT, TO RECOOK IT INSTEAD OF BRINGING IT TO ME WRONG IN THE FIRST PLACE!

C. Any wrong side dishes or entrees are the fault of the server if they bring out the food even if they put in the order right. You can tell the difference between a baked potato and mac n' cheese, yet, a waiter at Logan's Roadhouse was so stupid as to bring me mac n' cheese when I ordered a baked potato. I noticed it within 5 seconds of the food hitting my table. Like DUH a baked potato looks completely different from mac n' cheese.

D. Any MISSING side dishes, appetizers, condiments, or entrees ARE the server's fault if they bring out the food as well. Have had that happen a few times or so. Our servers aren't blind, so they can tell if something is missing or not.

E. I have seen a red steak delivered to someone before at Outback which means let's say the customer ordered their steak well done, that the server could have noticed the color difference as in someone's example “Steak cooked rare instead of well done ? It’s not your server’s fault, they didn’t cook it, it’s the kitchen’s fault.”

F. If something LOOKS burnt such as a piece of bread with the food and the person didn't order it burnt, my server is at fault for serving me that.

G. If my server forgets an item that an entree or appetizer comes with, that's their fault if they brought me my food without the item such as a side dish or ranch.

H. I have ordered at Outback my fries "lightly cooked" "Not overdone and yellow not brown." I have had their fries before cooked the way I like them before many of times before this time I am talking about. This stupid waitress decided to blame the kitchen staff for REALLY DARK BROWN FRIES as if she was blind or something and my husband even told me he could see that they were really dark. My husband may not agree with me on every subject of course, but with that, you could EASILY tell just by LOOKING that those fries were overdone and very dark. She said she put in the order correctly. I am thinking, SO? I wish I could have said "Are you blind?" That was HER FAULT she DECIDED TO SERVE ME THOSE FRIES THAT WEREN'T CORRECT. I noticed the mistake within 3 seconds of my food being placed in front of me.

http://www.bunrab.com/dailyfeed/dailyfeed_images_feb-07/df07_02-04_baconn.jpg

You can tell in this picture above the bacon is very crispy just by simply LOOKING at it.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_vv2IGE5obwk/RwVi-0hZziI/AAAAAAAABjc/m6bP-Te_wJE/s320/IMG_8338.jpg

You can tell in this picture above the bacon is NOT CRISPY, just by simple LOOKING at the bacon.

While the server didn't "COOK" the bacon, it's obvious to the *SERVER'S* EYES that one batch of bacon is crispy and the other isn't to decide to BRING the food to the customer wrong or not. It's my server's fault if they decide to bring me the bacon that's like in picture 2 if I ordered it crispy that she or he didn't tell the cooks it was wrong and get them to cook the bacon more instead of SERVING it wrong. WHY bring it out only for the food to be sent back?

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_DzuAhw_RcXU/TAyZ38A67EI/AAAAAAAAALo/R6zLKIKy1do/s1600/DSC_0006.JPG

You can clearly see the fries are overdone in the picture above if the customer ordered them "NOT OVERDONE, lightly cooked."

http://www.orthogonalthought.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/dsc_6087_550.jpg

In this picture above, you can see the fries don't appear overdone and the bacon is NOT CRISPY. If a customer asked for their bacon to be crispy, I would REFUSE to serve it and I would have enough CARING and COMMON SENSE to get that fixed **BEFORE** I brought it to the customer only to have the customer send it back or leave me a bad tip for not caring about their food.

My server's job isn't just to bring out what the kitchen staff gives them, it's also getting the order OBVIOUSLY correct to the table as much as possible in order to get that good tip. As someone said on a blog or forum “They just want to be tipped well and will do pretty much anything reasonable to get your money”, which that IS VERY REASONABLE to think OUR SERVERS ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT THEIR TIP TO GET THINGS RIGHT TO HAVE A BETTER TIP!!

Get what I am saying here? MOST of the mistakes happen due to either your server if they bring out the food or another server that doesn't compare the ticket to the food(assuming the order was put in correctly by the original server of course).

You also can notice if someone has wing sauce "On the side" vs. "On the wings" themselves. This isn't rocket science.

Most of the things that are wrong with the food can be caught by the server if they bring out the food, even if they didn't cook it. If it's another server, they can catch obvious errors on the ticket and menu(such as menu states the item comes with bbq sauce and the ticket doesn't say "no bbq sauce") if the ticket was correctly put in by the original server that took the order. Condiments(in bottles or on the side in containers) can always be offered to be brought out ahead of time REGARDLESS of WHO brings out the food to the table.

So most of the time when the food has something wrong with it, chances are, your server or another server could have caught the mistake before it got to you in most instances. I NEVER said ALL, but in most cases, it can be caught BEFORE bringing out the food(unless another server brings out the food with the ticket wrong), because then the original server that took the order is at fault for putting the order in incorrectly into the computer.

There are few rare cases where the food being wrong is the kitchen staff's fault such as raw food(such as raw chicken), slightly undercooked or overcooked food that you'd have to CUT into to know if it was under or overcooked, or anything the server cannot see with their eyes unless they were to TOUCH the food. Things such as a pickle under a bun the server can't notice unless they lift the bun, so unless they put the order in wrong, they wouldn't be at fault, but in general most food mistakes can be caught BEFORE bringing the food to the table.

What I am saying is, MOST mistakes ARE PREVENTABLE by the SERVER if they bring your order to you that they can NOTICE things wrong by comparing those written orders to the plates of food.

Once a waiter at Chili's said "The kitchen forgot" when I had ordered 2 sides of mayo and 1 side of mustard. The thing is, my waiter brought out the food, so NO, HE HE HE HE HE FORGOT, the kitchen staff didn't step out the kitchen to bring me my food and forget obvious missing containers from my plate that aren't covered up by anything. MY WAITER DID THOUGH!!

You walk in one room in your house with a plate of food, but forget the ranch. Even if your mom or significant other plated your food, which you even told her you wanted a side of ranch for your fries, but you bring it to another room. HOW IS THAT THEIR FAULT? It's YOUR FAULT YOU LEFT THE ROOM WITHOUT THE RANCH AND DIDN'T NOTICE IT SINCE IT'S SOMETHING OBVIOUS YOU DON'T HAVE TO *TOUCH* TO NOTICE THE MISTAKE!!

Even if he didn't bring out the food, that waiter could have prevented that type of thing from being forgotten since it needs no cooking to bring it out ahead of time. It is always the person bringing out the food that is at fault for any type of mistake that you don't have to TOUCH the food to notice the mistake, unless of course, the order was put in wrong by the original server that took the order with another server bringing out the food. Of course unless, the kitchen goofs up, making it correctly even if the ticket is wrong, but that's highly unlikely scenario.

I cannot believe you honestly think that the server is not at fault for most food mistakes. WE LIVED THROUGH THE "DUH" MISTAKES, SO WE CAN SEE WITH OUR EYES WHO WAS AT FAULT!!

We had a waiter once admitted he grabbed the wrong entrée from the kitchen. It was just my husband and I. This waiter not only admitted he didn't compare the WRITTEN ORDER with the entrées he was bringing out, but also we saw he had other entrées for another table that he didn't ONCE get his pad of paper out to see WHICH ENTRÉE WENT WITH WHICH TABLE!! So 2 times he could have caught his mistake, but didn't *****TRY HIS BEST AS HE SHOULD HAVE, because that's HIS JOB**!!

He admitted that he grabbed the wrong entrée from the kitchen. He brought my husband fried shrimp w/fries when he ordered crawfish au gratin w/baked potato. Those items look NOTHING A LIKE, but yet THAT WAITER WAS TOO LAZY AND UNCARING TO VERIFY *WHAT* HE WAS BRINGING US!! We still left him 17% BTW, just to let you know since he profusely apologized TWICE and FIXED THE SITUATION IMMEDIATELY just about. We honestly shouldn’t have though, because that really didn't make him LEARN anything. If I had to do it all over again, I would have tipped 13%. It's because since that happened(a number of years ago, maybe like 4), me and my husband have had some terrible experiences. We have had good ones too of course, but the servers need to LEARN that they can't just hand you ANYTHING like McDonald's cashiers do. They are there to EARN a tip, NOT to just hand you anything.

It's very rare that it's not the server's fault. Things like if I order no pickles if you took my order and brought out my food, which there are some pickles under a bun that you'd have to lift it to see it, unless you admitted putting in the order wrong, I will assume it's the kitchen staff that is at fault and probably is.

Things like raw chicken tenders aren't the fault of the server.

A slightly over or undercooked steak if the order was put in correctly is not the server's fault.

Also, some people assume things as well, that end up being wrong.

If another server brings out a wrong side dish or if they are missing items other than condiments, no it's not the server's fault if they put in the order correctly, but it still counts against the tip. It's part of the service.

Why also is it when you say "no pickles" or "ONLY lettuce and onions", they still have a pickle on the plate? WHY you servers can't understand that if the customer states they don't want pickles, that means on the plate, because otherwise, they'd specifically state they would have wanted it "ON THE SIDE." Think about it. WHY do I keep having servers bring me some pickles on the plate when I ordered no pickles? NO SERVERS ARE BLIND OR ILLITERATE that they cannot determine any of the obvious errors that don't have to be touched to notice the mistakes or mistake.

So my main point is, most of the time, the server is at fault for food issues in general. I am not saying all the time, just in most cases the mistakes are OBVIOUS to the EYES of the server or other server running the food to you or your server put in the order wrong to begin with.

Also, if a true kitchen issue comes to my table such as a slightly undercooked steak(if my server put in the order correctly), then in my personal opinion, good service would be for the server to apologize(even if it's not their fault), it's nice to hear as it's not an apology directly from that the server is taking the blame, but apologizing to the customer for their inconvenience the cook has caused them. It's basically nice to hear an apology anyways basically apologizing from the restaurant itself. Sort of like sometimes when I served customers at a donut shop/diner a very long time ago, I apologized to my customers when we were out of something. That wasn't my fault we were out of something, but still is the "polite" thing to do as to apologize to them from the business. We all know it sucks to go somewhere and they are out of something, so we all know how we feel as the customer in that situation and we all know it is nicer to hear an apology than no apology at all even if it's not directly the worker's fault that is serving you. It may not even be the manager's fault that they didn't order enough, it could just be the place sold out that people ordered a lot of the item unexpectedly or a machine doesn't work that makes the item.



NO, the server does have deal with the kitchen staff, because that's the fastest way to get it right. They, for example, send your steak back telling them it needs more cooking. A manager does NOT need to be in that situation WHAT-SO-EVER! For every food error a manager doesn't have to be there. That is ridiculous to say such a thing. If the server had to go to the manager every single time, your steak would take over an hour. Think about it....

HOLY COW!:a20:

[photo1902]

Oh great. Now I'm craving a cheeseburger.

[Nucky]

Holy Jumpin Jehosaphat, have you lost your mind man? We have one of our son's who aggravates us by rejecting his coffee because it's to dark or too light or not just rite. We now have him stop and get his coffee before he lands for a peaceful visit. He tips the Dunkin Donuts worker a Dollar. They know him and get it correct every time. You can probably get help and return to be a productive member of society after some extensive counseling. If nobody can get it your way then maybe you should cook for yourself. Even when they take your glass for a refill you think that is a potential hazard then I'm surprised eating with sharp utensils didn't mortify you! All's not lost though, you just made me appreciate my dopey simple life even more.

[Nucky]

Oh great. Now I'm craving a cheeseburger.

Hey photo 1902 didn't the cheeseburger in the picture look ok to you? :jester:

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[photo1902]

Hey photo 1902 didn't the cheeseburger in the picture look ok to you? :jester:

Absolutely Nucky. Not only did it look ok, it looked DELICIOUS!

[RickeyD]

RickeyD.....did you ever go back.



No. Talking about tips is as nerve wracking as politics & religion.
I'm outta here ! [emoji53]

[OhioBuckeye]

You know tipping is an asset to the restaurants. A lot of restaurants have you tipping as high as $5. on a bill that's only 15 or $20. because most restaurants figure in tips on their pay checks, so the restaurant owners don't have a high overhead to cover their monthly bills. If they would pay more they would do what they did 5 yrs. ago, they wouldn't put a tipping fee on the check & they wouldn't have help quitting every whip stich. I tip because I get good service, not because they put the percentages on my bill. Sorry to say I never tip 7 or $8. on a $30. bill. Our tips help pay for the restaurants help! I do feel sorry for the servers that work so hard that some of them do depend on their tips to make their ends meet!

[bella2272]

My complaint is that those tablets are very dirty (especially at Chili's). I think they should be cleaned after each diner leaves.

[biker1]

What is a "tipping fee on the check" ?


You know tipping is an asset to the restaurants. A lot of restaurants have you tipping as high as $5. on a bill that's only 15 or $20. because most restaurants figure in tips on their pay checks, so the restaurant owners don't have a high overhead to cover their monthly bills. If they would pay more they would do what they did 5 yrs. ago, they wouldn't put a tipping fee on the check & they wouldn't have help quitting every whip stich. I tip because I get good service, not because they put the percentages on my bill. Sorry to say I never tip 7 or $8. on a $30. bill. Our tips help pay for the restaurants help! I do feel sorry for the servers that work so hard that some of them do depend on their tips to make their ends meet!

[gap2415]

The minimum wage in Florida for tipped employees is $5.03 per hour..http://floridajobs.org/docs/default-source/2016-minimum-wage-increases/poster-fl_minwage2016.pdf

That is very low. Unless you are a student living with your parents or you don't need that much income, these wages would not attract anyone not desperate for work. I suppose if liquor was served and you were good at your job, it might work in your favor but I have sympathy for the rest. Florida has so little industry thus far as well.

[biker1]

I already have posted on this. Wait staff are guaranteed $8.05 per hour through a combination of their hourly rate, tips, and "make up money" by the employer if the hourly rate plus tips doesn't come to at least $8.05 per hour. You can, of course, do better than that depending on the restaurant and your own demeanor.

That is very low. Unless you are a student living with your parents or you don't need that much income, these wages would not attract anyone not desperate for work. I suppose if liquor was served and you were good at your job, it might work in your favor but I have sympathy for the rest. Florida has so little industry thus far as well.

[NYGUY]

What is a "tipping fee on the check" ?

and, what is a "whip stitch"?

[GreenHornet]

Currently it appears that the recommended tip for good service at a sit down restaurant is 20%. I see more and more restaurants like Chili's, etc. are going to a tablet ordering system...you place your order at your table on a tablet that is provided. The server then brings your order to you. After your meal, you see your check on this same tablet, self swipe your credit card and your done.

My question is....is the same 20% tip considered acceptable / recommended?

Just curious....

Please keep in mind that in Florida and most other States do not have to pay their wait staff minimum wage. The minimum wage for wait staff in FL is $4.23 per hour. The employer expects them to earn $3.02 per hour in tips which is part of their salary and what they pay income taxes on. So, the average wait staff earn $7.25 which is still below minimum wage.

[biker1]

This is incorrect.

Please keep in mind that in Florida and most other States do not have to pay their wait staff minimum wage. The minimum wage for wait staff in FL is $4.23 per hour. The employer expects them to earn $3.02 per hour in tips which is part of their salary and what they pay income taxes on. So, the average wait staff earn $7.25 which is still below minimum wage.

[photo1902]

U.S. Department of Labor - Wage & Hour Divisions (WHD) - Minimum Wages for Tipped Employees (http://www.dol.gov/whd/state/tipped.htm#Florida)

[diancurt]

I sure wouldn't think 20% is necessary. Maybe a buck or two would be fair if everything was satisfactory..

[Kisusn]

"TEAM" - the waitstaff is the representative of the establishment. They also more often than not "tip share". Wrong food? Blame the chef? No, I blame the representative. I tip for service (far over 400% on occasions) - no service, no tip. Kiosk at the table, lower tip.

"TIPS" = To Insure Prompt Service". 400% tip = $80 tip on a $20 order. WOW.

[allestw]

I am blessed to have health and enough fortune to live out the rest of my life in comfort. God gave me the talent to make a living and manage HIS money, yes HIS money, and now it is time to give it back. So, YES I give 20% at a restaurant, plus I donate 20% to charities.

[gap2415]

All considered, 20% for good service seems fair. We try to give our tips in cash separately to the waitress and I hate to admit this but especially if she is elderly and looking tired, to try to make an attempt that she gets it and it doesn't get lost on the bill. One lady told us she didn't get all her tips so we have done this ever since.

[Nucky]

At our age if you can't see your way clear to giving another human a good tip I feel more sorry for you that the person you stiffed. Part of being a good person is doing the correct thing and keeping quiet about it. In this forum if you share about a whopper tip I don't think it's bragging because we are sharing about it. Do onto others as.....your old enough just act properly. Let those alligator arms reach a little deeper past the cobwebs in your pocket and tip like it was your grandchild or child serving you. If you hear a popping noise...ah forget it!

[ColdNoMore]

At our age if you can't see your way clear to giving another human a good tip I feel more sorry for you that the person you stiffed. Part of being a good person is doing the correct thing and keeping quiet about it. In this forum if you share about a whopper tip I don't think it's bragging because we are sharing about it. Do onto others as.....your old enough just act properly. Let those alligator arms reach a little deeper past the cobwebs in your pocket and tip like it was your grandchild or child serving you. If you hear a popping noise...ah forget it!

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