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Guest
05-30-2016, 04:30 AM
To those brave fighting men and women a reaffirmation on this Memorial Day
"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things: the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks nothing is worth war , is much worse. When a people are used as mere human instruments for firing cannon or thrusting bayonets, in the service and for the selfish purpose of a master, such a war degrades a people. A war to protect other human beings against tyrannical injustice; a war to give victory to their own ideas of right and good, and which is their own war, carried on for an honest purpose by their free choice--is often the means of their regeneration. A man who has nothing in which he is willing to fight for, nothing which he cares more about than he does about his personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by exertions of better men than himself. As long as justice and injustice have not terminated their ever renewing fight for ascendancy in the affairs of mankind, human beings must be willing when need is, to do battle for one against the other.
John Stuart Mills (circa 1862)
To my cousin Tom who after serving 4 years in the Air Force
reenlisted and volunteered two tours of duty in Viet Nam and died in service for his fellow man. God Rest Your Soul Tom
Personal Best Regards:
Guest
05-30-2016, 04:49 AM
To those brave fighting men and women a reaffirmation on this Memorial Day
"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things: the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks nothing is worth war , is much worse. When a people are used as mere human instruments for firing cannon or thrusting bayonets, in the service and for the selfish purpose of a master, such a war degrades a people. A war to protect other human beings against tyrannical injustice; a war to give victory to their own ideas of right and good, and which is their own war, carried on for an honest purpose by their free choice--is often the means of their regeneration. A man who has nothing in which he is willing to fight for, nothing which he cares more about than he does about his personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by exertions of better men than himself. As long as justice and injustice have not terminated their ever renewing fight for ascendancy in the affairs of mankind, human beings must be willing when need is, to do battle for one against the other.
John Stuart Mills (circa 1862)
To my cousin Tom who after serving 4 years in the Air Force
reenlisted and volunteered two tours of duty in Viet Nam and died in service for his fellow man. God Rest Your Soul Tom
Personal Best Regards:
AMEN! Thank GOD for patriots.
Guest
05-30-2016, 05:13 AM
To those brave fighting men and women a reaffirmation on this Memorial Day
"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things: the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks nothing is worth war , is much worse. When a people are used as mere human instruments for firing cannon or thrusting bayonets, in the service and for the selfish purpose of a master, such a war degrades a people. A war to protect other human beings against tyrannical injustice; a war to give victory to their own ideas of right and good, and which is their own war, carried on for an honest purpose by their free choice--is often the means of their regeneration. A man who has nothing in which he is willing to fight for, nothing which he cares more about than he does about his personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by exertions of better men than himself. As long as justice and injustice have not terminated their ever renewing fight for ascendancy in the affairs of mankind, human beings must be willing when need is, to do battle for one against the other.
John Stuart Mills (circa 1862)
To my cousin Tom who after serving 4 years in the Air Force
reenlisted and volunteered two tours of duty in Viet Nam and died in service for his fellow man. God Rest Your Soul Tom
Personal Best Regards:
AMEN! Thank GOD for patriots.
No, it's rubbish...to convince you to die in a political/banker "war". Go ahead and believe their propaganda, be a sucker.
Guest
05-30-2016, 05:43 AM
No, it's rubbish...to convince you to die in a political/banker "war". Go ahead and believe their propaganda, be a sucker.
Read my mind. I am saying something rude and vulgar toward you, that I can't say on here. I am sure you get told this stuff all the time, but I am sure that it never sinks in.
Guest
05-30-2016, 05:56 AM
Please tell us what good came out of having over 58,000 Americans die fighting in a civil war. Oh yeah, the USA had to withdraw their troops in defeat to a "third world country".
Americans were dying on the ground while Kissenger and other diplomats were trying to decide the shape of the conference table in Paris.
Guest
05-30-2016, 07:16 AM
Read my mind. I am saying something rude and vulgar toward you, that I can't say on here. I am sure you get told this stuff all the time, but I am sure that it never sinks in.
By some misinformed people, yes. By those who are truly open minded, informed, no.
Being a "patriot" isn't about following the leader and their orders. Our "leaders" are all vicious psychopaths. Hillary or Trump will be no different. That's what a powerful political position attracts.
Being a "patriot" is looking out for the "people" in general, looking out for your culture. Being a "patriot" is trying the stop the 3rd worlding of this once great place to live. You're giving it all away...to them...they'll destroy it...they ALWAYS do.
But you'll call me names and quicken the demise of America.
Please tell us what good came out of having over 58,000 Americans die fighting in a civil war. Oh yeah, the USA had to withdraw their troops in defeat to a "third world country".
Americans were dying on the ground while Kissenger and other diplomats were trying to decide the shape of the conference table in Paris.
Because the PEOPLE of Vietnam, BOTH sides, saw the U.S. as the bad guy. You can't police a nation where EVERYONE hates you. They knew this in the past, that's why the entire conquered population was either killed or enslaved. We try to fight wars "civilly", it doesn't work.
What good came from OUR Civil War where you can add a zero to the death toll. Blacks were freed? That hasn't worked out well, has it? 150 years and they're worse off than they were. We are too, dragging them along as dead weight.
You think the "blackening" of our society has been a good thing? Rap "music" is good? The inner city ghettos are good? Integrating white schools is good? ANY diversity is good? Where? Show me how things, anything, improved after "going black".
Guest
05-30-2016, 10:15 AM
By some misinformed people, yes. By those who are truly open minded, informed, no.
Being a "patriot" isn't about following the leader and their orders. Our "leaders" are all vicious psychopaths. Hillary or Trump will be no different. That's what a powerful political position attracts.
Being a "patriot" is looking out for the "people" in general, looking out for your culture. Being a "patriot" is trying the stop the 3rd worlding of this once great place to live. You're giving it all away...to them...they'll destroy it...they ALWAYS do.
But you'll call me names and quicken the demise of America.
Because the PEOPLE of Vietnam, BOTH sides, saw the U.S. as the bad guy. You can't police a nation where EVERYONE hates you. They knew this in the past, that's why the entire conquered population was either killed or enslaved. We try to fight wars "civilly", it doesn't work.
What good came from OUR Civil War where you can add a zero to the death toll. Blacks were freed? That hasn't worked out well, has it? 150 years and they're worse off than they were. We are too, dragging them along as dead weight.
You think the "blackening" of our society has been a good thing? Rap "music" is good? The inner city ghettos are good? Integrating white schools is good? ANY diversity is good? Where? Show me how things, anything, improved after "going black".
You are a pathetic, pitiful and miserable person. But, you already know that. I've thought about your comments and have concluded that you are home bound with no means to leave your house. You probably haven't seen the sunshine in years and have no faith or goals in your life. You are so miserable that no one even wishes to visit you. That's the reason you strike out on here, hoping like our liberal troll to get some reaction, some recognition that someone might see you. We see you. Now you can go away.
Guest
05-31-2016, 04:28 AM
No, it's rubbish...to convince you to die in a political/banker "war". Go ahead and believe their propaganda, be a sucker.
Then one is to conclude that you would not be the person to watch my 6? You use propaganda that one would expect come from the enemy in hopes of demoralizing a nation's ability to fight. Something like a "Tokyo Rose"
Fortunately for you if this nation needs fighting men you have the freedom to tell them not to interfere with your day's plans. Why? Because good men and women gave treasure and blood for you to have that freedom.
Personal Best Regards:
Guest
05-31-2016, 04:43 AM
By some misinformed people, yes. By those who are truly open minded, informed, no.
Being a "patriot" isn't about following the leader and their orders. Our "leaders" are all vicious psychopaths. Hillary or Trump will be no different. That's what a powerful political position attracts.
Being a "patriot" is looking out for the "people" in general, looking out for your culture. Being a "patriot" is trying the stop the 3rd worlding of this once great place to live. You're giving it all away...to them...they'll destroy it...they ALWAYS do.
But you'll call me names and quicken the demise of America.
Because the PEOPLE of Vietnam, BOTH sides, saw the U.S. as the bad guy. You can't police a nation where EVERYONE hates you. They knew this in the past, that's why the entire conquered population was either killed or enslaved. We try to fight wars "civilly", it doesn't work.
What good came from OUR Civil War where you can add a zero to the death toll. Blacks were freed? That hasn't worked out well, has it? 150 years and they're worse off than they were. We are too, dragging them along as dead weight.
You think the "blackening" of our society has been a good thing? Rap "music" is good? The inner city ghettos are good? Integrating white schools is good? ANY diversity is good? Where? Show me how things, anything, improved after "going black".
Dear Guest: See post #8 if you are so inclined.
Some would agree with the concern you have for this nation but disagree in the manner you express it. I am not intending to be patronizing here, but helpful. Perhaps you need to replace your rancor with mindful prayer as a beginning to constructive thought. Based on your manner of expression this enraged state is not healthy.
Perhaps after some reflection you would see that even in the black community good citizens, religious or spiritual in nature exist and are as offended by the type of people that offend you also. You paint with too broad a brush.
Personal Best Regards:
Guest
05-31-2016, 06:11 AM
Then one is to conclude that you would not be the person to watch my 6? You use propaganda that one would expect come from the enemy in hopes of demoralizing a nation's ability to fight. Something like a "Tokyo Rose"
Fortunately for you if this nation needs fighting men you have the freedom to tell them not to interfere with your day's plans. Why? Because good men and women gave treasure and blood for you to have that freedom.
Personal Best Regards:
You miss the point entirely...NOBODY should BE fighting...there hasn't been a legitimate NEED to send people to war in a LONG LONG time.
Dear Guest: See post #8 if you are so inclined.
Some would agree with the concern you have for this nation but disagree in the manner you express it. I am not intending to be patronizing here, but helpful. Perhaps you need to replace your rancor with mindful prayer as a beginning to constructive thought. Based on your manner of expression this enraged state is not healthy.
Perhaps after some reflection you would see that even in the black community good citizens, religious or spiritual in nature exist and are as offended by the type of people that offend you also. You paint with too broad a brush.
Personal Best Regards:
I'm sorry if my words aren't "sweet" enough for you and some others. The FACT remains, minorities are destroying and WILL destroy this country within 20-30 years through attrition. They are successfully breeding us out.
Are you going to do something about it or are you going to passively sit there and watch it happen?
Are little minority children more important then your children and grandchildren? Then why are you propping them up and making it harder for yours?
Guest
05-31-2016, 06:45 AM
To those brave fighting men and women a reaffirmation on this Memorial Day
"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things: the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks nothing is worth war , is much worse. When a people are used as mere human instruments for firing cannon or thrusting bayonets, in the service and for the selfish purpose of a master, such a war degrades a people. A war to protect other human beings against tyrannical injustice; a war to give victory to their own ideas of right and good, and which is their own war, carried on for an honest purpose by their free choice--is often the means of their regeneration. A man who has nothing in which he is willing to fight for, nothing which he cares more about than he does about his personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by exertions of better men than himself. As long as justice and injustice have not terminated their ever renewing fight for ascendancy in the affairs of mankind, human beings must be willing when need is, to do battle for one against the other.
John Stuart Mills (circa 1862)
To my cousin Tom who after serving 4 years in the Air Force
reenlisted and volunteered two tours of duty in Viet Nam and died in service for his fellow man. God Rest Your Soul Tom
Personal Best Regards:
Like this post.
Guest
05-31-2016, 06:52 AM
By some misinformed people, yes. By those who are truly open minded, informed, no.
Being a "patriot" isn't about following the leader and their orders. Our "leaders" are all vicious psychopaths. Hillary or Trump will be no different. That's what a powerful political position attracts.
Being a "patriot" is looking out for the "people" in general, looking out for your culture. Being a "patriot" is trying the stop the 3rd worlding of this once great place to live. You're giving it all away...to them...they'll destroy it...they ALWAYS do.
But you'll call me names and quicken the demise of America.
Because the PEOPLE of Vietnam, BOTH sides, saw the U.S. as the bad guy. You can't police a nation where EVERYONE hates you. They knew this in the past, that's why the entire conquered population was either killed or enslaved. We try to fight wars "civilly", it doesn't work.
What good came from OUR Civil War where you can add a zero to the death toll. Blacks were freed? That hasn't worked out well, has it? 150 years and they're worse off than they were. We are too, dragging them along as dead weight.
You think the "blackening" of our society has been a good thing? Rap "music" is good? The inner city ghettos are good? Integrating white schools is good? ANY diversity is good? Where? Show me how things, anything, improved after "going black".
The Trump affect. Write whatever you feel like no matter how ugly and hurtful it is to many others.
Guest
05-31-2016, 09:12 AM
The Trump affect. Write whatever you feel like no matter how ugly and hurtful it is to many others.
He's not a follower of Trump. He hates everyone equally. He thinks it will all get better with a liberal libertarian elected. What a joke!
Guest
05-31-2016, 09:25 AM
The Trump affect. Write whatever you feel like no matter how ugly and hurtful it is to many others.
If the truth is ugly and hurtful to you...it's because you believe lies.
He's not a follower of Trump. He hates everyone equally. He thinks it will all get better with a liberal libertarian elected. What a joke!
Only those who try to rule and/or feed off of others.
The joke is thinking that things will get better when "our guy" gets elected...if he's a D or R.
A libertarian, not necessarily a Libertarian could only help.
You think Trump will be elected if he's not playing ball? It'll never happen.
Guest
05-31-2016, 09:29 AM
If the truth is ugly and hurtful to you...it's because you believe lies.
Only those who try to rule and/or feed off of others.
The joke is thinking that things will get better when "our guy" gets elected...if he's a D or R.
A libertarian, not necessarily a Libertarian could only help.
You think Trump will be elected if he's not playing ball? It'll never happen.
And it's your clown Johnson that will give the country to the Clintons again.....the blatant criminals that hate America.
Guest
05-31-2016, 09:30 AM
If the truth is ugly and hurtful to you...it's because you believe lies.
Only those who try to rule and/or feed off of others.
The joke is thinking that things will get better when "our guy" gets elected...if he's a D or R.
A libertarian, not necessarily a Libertarian could only help.
You think Trump will be elected if he's not playing ball? It'll never happen.
I bet you wear loafers because you are too stupid to tie your shoes.
Guest
05-31-2016, 09:30 AM
You miss the point entirely...NOBODY should BE fighting...there hasn't been a legitimate NEED to send people to war in a LONG LONG time.
I'm sorry if my words aren't "sweet" enough for you and some others. The FACT remains, minorities are destroying and WILL destroy this country within 20-30 years through attrition. They are successfully breeding us out.
Are you going to do something about it or are you going to passively sit there and watch it happen?
Are little minority children more important then your children and grandchildren? Then why are you propping them up and making it harder for yours?
Despite your emotional appeal, I think you are playing to the wrong card here as to getting our breeding equipment in gear. Better work on your children and grandchildren.
Guest
05-31-2016, 09:31 AM
He's not a follower of Trump. He hates everyone equally. He thinks it will all get better with a liberal libertarian elected. What a joke!How could you draw that conclusion from that one statement?
A lot of republicans who never were very popular with minorities now have to drag this extra baggage of hate around too. How will they get elected?
Remember all the warnings PBR gave the other conservatives here many months ago?
Guest
05-31-2016, 10:12 AM
I bet you wear loafers because you are too stupid to tie your shoes.
Ok...and your personal insights are...?
Despite your emotional appeal, I think you are playing to the wrong card here as to getting our breeding equipment in gear. Better work on your children and grandchildren.
I'm trying to get YOU to work on your children and grandchildren!
Warm them that America, our culture, WILL be ending if we allow the minorities to breed us into a minority status.
This is literally life and death for the America we know.
Guest
05-31-2016, 01:21 PM
I bet you wear loafers because you are too stupid to tie your shoes.
That is a distinct possibility but he wears loafers to remind himself that all his working career - he WAS a loafer!
Guest
05-31-2016, 02:26 PM
No, it's rubbish...to convince you to die in a political/banker "war". Go ahead and believe their propaganda, be a sucker.
As spoken by a liberal leech
Guest
05-31-2016, 05:00 PM
As spoken by a liberal leech
Liberal leech? For not wanting to fight an unwarranted political banker "war"? Only those fighting or wanting to fight unjust "wars" are productive? Killing and destroying is productive?
Guest
06-01-2016, 04:57 AM
Liberal leech? For not wanting to fight an unwarranted political banker "war"? Only those fighting or wanting to fight unjust "wars" are productive? Killing and destroying is productive?
Yes.
Guest
06-01-2016, 05:18 AM
Liberal leech? For not wanting to fight an unwarranted political banker "war"? Only those fighting or wanting to fight unjust "wars" are productive? Killing and destroying is productive?
Yes.
You're a scary one...war makes a person productive...OK, got it.
Guest
06-01-2016, 07:16 AM
For one that served 20 years in military and 20 years in federal service I see most wars are waste. Especially Vietnam. We had no choice in WW2. But, that's not what's going to be are dome?
Wars within, you know political wars over power, control, and money. IMO every citzen should have to serve in the military, why ? should be your duty to protect and defend you Country. IMO veterans a really not give the honor they deserve. Our society thinks politicians, most schools teachers, and leaders of groups are the real heroes, when they are the ones that are undermining the spirt of America.
I agree there are few that can't serve cause they are too weak, can't take orders, and can't do the job. That's ok, there not cowards just weak, but because the read books, pass test, and able to get job (political science major) that has no skill other than reading book, lectures, and inducing they're political agenda and not heroes.
I agree it's too late the brainwashing and illegal invasion for political purposes has has won. There is no turning back. In 20 years we will be just like Mexico, most of South America, and maybe in the future like North Korea? Cause the weak minded will be eventually be slaughtered. Luckily, most of us older generation will be dead by then!
Guest
06-01-2016, 07:51 AM
For one that served 20 years in military and 20 years in federal service I see most wars are waste. Especially Vietnam. We had no choice in WW2. But, that's not what's going to be are dome?
Wars within, you know political wars over power, control, and money. IMO every citzen should have to serve in the military, why ? should be your duty to protect and defend you Country. IMO veterans a really not give the honor they deserve. Our society thinks politicians, most schools teachers, and leaders of groups are the real heroes, when they are the ones that are undermining the spirt of America.
I agree there are few that can't serve cause they are too weak, can't take orders, and can't do the job. That's ok, there not cowards just weak, but because the read books, pass test, and able to get job (political science major) that has no skill other than reading book, lectures, and inducing they're political agenda and not heroes.
I agree it's too late the brainwashing and illegal invasion for political purposes has has won. There is no turning back. In 20 years we will be just like Mexico, most of South America, and maybe in the future like North Korea? Cause the weak minded will be eventually be slaughtered. Luckily, most of us older generation will be dead by then!
Get the tin foil hats out, we are being bombed with alien brainwashing radiation. This guy supposedly served 40 years of gov service and now says he doesn't like it. Buddy, you have hit the way with your head way too many times.
Guest
06-01-2016, 09:08 AM
good reading about Viet Nam--if they have something wrong please share it with me
http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a395216.pdf
Guest
06-01-2016, 09:19 AM
You're a scary one...war makes a person productive...OK, got it.
Nice try, but your twist of words is hardly credible. Go away little trollie.
Guest
06-01-2016, 10:01 AM
For one that served 20 years in military and 20 years in federal service I see most wars are waste. Especially Vietnam. We had no choice in WW2. But, that's not what's going to be are dome?
Wars within, you know political wars over power, control, and money. IMO every citzen should have to serve in the military, why ? should be your duty to protect and defend you Country. IMO veterans a really not give the honor they deserve. Our society thinks politicians, most schools teachers, and leaders of groups are the real heroes, when they are the ones that are undermining the spirt of America.
I agree there are few that can't serve cause they are too weak, can't take orders, and can't do the job. That's ok, there not cowards just weak, but because the read books, pass test, and able to get job (political science major) that has no skill other than reading book, lectures, and inducing they're political agenda and not heroes.
I agree it's too late the brainwashing and illegal invasion for political purposes has has won. There is no turning back. In 20 years we will be just like Mexico, most of South America, and maybe in the future like North Korea? Cause the weak minded will be eventually be slaughtered. Luckily, most of us older generation will be dead by then!
Get the tin foil hats out, we are being bombed with alien brainwashing radiation. This guy supposedly served 40 years of gov service and now says he doesn't like it. Buddy, you have hit the way with your head way too many times.
Why? What did he say that wasn't true?
Nice try, but your twist of words is hardly credible. Go away little trollie.
As usual, another of the "catch-all" words. Words like troll, racist, misogynist, homophobe...all used to end an argument you have no hope of winning. When you run out of "ammunition" and the other has just gotten started...
Whatever dude...think what you want, rational discussion be damned, the truth be damned. Keep sending your kids and their kids to fight political wars that enrich others. Cry for them as a banker makes another million dollar bonus.
Guest
06-01-2016, 10:19 AM
Why? What did he say that wasn't true?
As usual, another of the "catch-all" words. Words like troll, racist, misogynist, homophobe...all used to end an argument you have no hope of winning. When you run out of "ammunition" and the other has just gotten started...
Whatever dude...think what you want, rational discussion be damned, the truth be damned. Keep sending your kids and their kids to fight political wars that enrich others. Cry for them as a banker makes another million dollar bonus.
Life is not as simple as you would like to believe!
You obviously are young and have not had much life experience!
Guest
06-01-2016, 10:22 AM
Cry for them as a banker makes another million dollar bonus. What is you opinion on Dwight D. Eisenhower's Military-Industrial Complex Speech in 1961.
Military-Industrial Complex Speech, Dwight D. Eisenhower,
1961 (http://coursesa.matrix.msu.edu/~hst306/documents/indust.html)
Was Eisenhauer being cryptic? Who are the members of the Complex?
Guest
06-01-2016, 10:30 AM
Why? What did he say that wasn't true?
As usual, another of the "catch-all" words. Words like troll, racist, misogynist, homophobe...all used to end an argument you have no hope of winning. When you run out of "ammunition" and the other has just gotten started...
Whatever dude...think what you want, rational discussion be damned, the truth be damned. Keep sending your kids and their kids to fight political wars that enrich others. Cry for them as a banker makes another million dollar bonus.
When a poster twists what another says, just to bait them, that is trolling. If you don't like being called out on it, then don't do it. If you don't agree with something someone says, either ignore it refute it with facts or go away. You don't taunt the other persons on the forum just to get attention. That's childish.
Another reason that parents don't allow children to participate in discussions between adults. They are not yet mature enough.
Guest
06-01-2016, 01:19 PM
Get the tin foil hats out, we are being bombed with alien brainwashing radiation. This guy supposedly served 40 years of gov service and now says he doesn't like it. Buddy, you have hit the way with your head way too many times.
No supposedly to it. Has nothing to do with being prepared. It's about waste and most political wars are waste of resources and manpower. Don't mean we who served didn't do our jobs or what we were told to do. But , we don't have to like it war that is. By the who would like war? Most people that have brain don't, do what has to be done to get through it.
O by the way, 40 years never a day late for work with nothing but outstanding performance reports. I done my job and earned every penny! Save the tin fold hats for the politicans and the pencil pushers.
Guest
06-01-2016, 01:51 PM
Why is it called a Tin Foil Hat if it's made out of aluminum? Maybe that guy that likes to look things up could spend the afternoon working on that one. :)
Guest
06-01-2016, 02:05 PM
Why is it called a Tin Foil Hat if it's made out of aluminum? Maybe that guy that likes to look things up could spend the afternoon working on that one. :)
Good point.
How do you feel about going to a doctor that is "practicing" medicine?
Guest
06-01-2016, 07:41 PM
Life is not as simple as you would like to believe!
You obviously are young and have not had much life experience!
You're correct of course, it's full of lies and deceit...more commonly called...politics.
Guest
06-01-2016, 07:46 PM
Why is it called a Tin Foil Hat if it's made out of aluminum? Maybe that guy that likes to look things up could spend the afternoon working on that one. :)
Good point.
How do you feel about going to a doctor that is "practicing" medicine?
They let you two out alone? Who cuts your meat?
Tin Foil came first, it was replaced with cheaper aluminum foil later...the name stuck.
Please tell me you don't vote or drive...
Guest
06-01-2016, 07:50 PM
What is you opinion on Dwight D. Eisenhower's Military-Industrial Complex Speech in 1961.
Military-Industrial Complex Speech, Dwight D. Eisenhower,
1961 (http://coursesa.matrix.msu.edu/~hst306/documents/indust.html)
Was Eisenhauer being cryptic? Who are the members of the Complex?
Eisenhower is dead isn't he? But, they made a decent Rec Center named after him.
Guest
06-01-2016, 07:51 PM
They let you two out alone? Who cuts your meat?
Tin Foil came first, it was replaced with cheaper aluminum foil later...the name stuck.
Please tell me you don't vote or drive...
I don't know about the other guy you speak of but at least unlike you, I don't need someone else to tie my shoes for me. Can't you take a bit of levity, or is that stick too far up there..:evil6:
Guest
06-01-2016, 10:02 PM
What is you opinion on Dwight D. Eisenhower's Military-Industrial Complex Speech in 1961.
Military-Industrial Complex Speech, Dwight D. Eisenhower,
1961 (http://coursesa.matrix.msu.edu/~hst306/documents/indust.html)
Was Eisenhauer being cryptic? Who are the members of the Complex?
You can watch the speech you are referencing on You Tube .
Something interesting about Eisenhower ---- he held a press conference every single Tuesday Morning . He did not use any notes he made himself fully available to the press and took questions from anyone . Very few were televised by the then 3 networks .
To date no president has held as many such conferences as Eisenhower .
Guest
06-02-2016, 03:00 AM
You can watch the speech you are referencing on You Tube .
Something interesting about Eisenhower ---- he held a press conference every single Tuesday Morning . He did not use any notes he made himself fully available to the press and took questions from anyone . Very few were televised by the then 3 networks .
To date no president has held as many such conferences as Eisenhower .
Just my opinion, but I think that we see way too much of this president on TV, whether talk programs or comedy, and even reality TV. This one believes he is the soul/center of entertainment every time he speaks in front of a group. Sarcastic, condescending, glib and slapstick every time a camera is on him. He was a big mistake that I fully blame on the liberals, free loaders of this country.
But, all that aside I would rather that the president is seen less in the media and present an image of being party-less when he does speak. Since he is elected as leader of ALL the people, not just the Democrats or the radical left. This one would have been accepted better if he was not so divisive.
Guest
06-02-2016, 07:13 AM
Just my opinion, but I think that we see way too much of this president on TV, whether talk programs or comedy, and even reality TV. This one believes he is the soul/center of entertainment every time he speaks in front of a group. Sarcastic, condescending, glib and slapstick every time a camera is on him. He was a big mistake that I fully blame on the liberals, free loaders of this country.
But, all that aside I would rather that the president is seen less in the media and present an image of being party-less when he does speak. Since he is elected as leader of ALL the people, not just the Democrats or the radical left. This one would have been accepted better if he was not so divisive.
So imagine Donald Trump as President.
Guest
06-02-2016, 07:28 AM
So imagine Donald Trump as President.
Somehow images of a "Crazy Eddie" commercial comes to mind...
"I'll do this...and I'll do that!" I'll fix EVERYTHING! These policies are INSANE!
You just lend me the money...
Guest
06-02-2016, 07:44 AM
In the matters of war?
How will Trump handle North Korea or any other crises as it erupts?
How is he handling the PGA because they won't play at his course?
PGA said due to his politics they can't get sponsors this year but maybe next year.
What is his reaction? anything but cool, clam and collected He can't keep the lid on with a wimpy PGA group.
He told the PGA they better have kidnapping insurance if they move it to Mexico. Don't cross him. He said he never forgives and never forgets. That's not the personality you want in the oval office.
Guest
06-02-2016, 08:04 AM
In the matters of war?
How will Trump handle North Korea or any other crises as it erupts?
How is he handling the PGA because they won't play at his course?
PGA said due to his politics they can't get sponsors this year but maybe next year.
What is his reaction? anything but cool, clam and collected He can't keep the lid on with a wimpy PGA group.
He told the PGA they better have kidnapping insurance if they move it to Mexico. Don't cross him. He said he never forgives and never forgets. That's not the personality you want in the oval office.
The same way ALL past presidents have...they'll do as they're told.
The PGA thing is all BS and propaganda. Just like NASCAR "banning" the Confederate Flag. As soon as the flack goes away, so do their "principles".
I hear kidnapping IS a problem in Mexico. It's #28 on their list of best ways to make an easy peso. Better study up on Mexico, it'll be annexing the U.S. soon.
Guest
06-02-2016, 08:21 AM
The same way ALL past presidents have...they'll do as they're told.
And exactly who does the telling? I have been trying to figure that one out. Don't be vague with lobbyists and big business.
You must be a Bernie supporter if you think the rich are running the country.
Guest
06-02-2016, 09:47 AM
So imagine Donald Trump as President.
I can handle that. What I don't want to chance is that crazy Bit*h Shrillary Clinton in the position. We have already seen how she abandons her people when they are in trouble. Hate to see what she would do to the military, especially since she hates the military.
Guest
06-02-2016, 12:07 PM
And exactly who does the telling? I have been trying to figure that one out. Don't be vague with lobbyists and big business.
You must be a Bernie supporter if you think the rich are running the country.
The guys with the big stakes in the big businesses. Nobody knows except those involved. You only hear about the "new money", "old money" keeps a low profile.
They work through the party to get favorable politicians and laws passed. The party is the liaison between the corporations and government
"Their" politicians then "appoint" people who pretty much work FOR the very people they're regulating. Bankers regulate banking, securities people the bond/stock market. Drug executives regulate drugs.
It's the appointed people and high up officials who make/enforce the regulations that pretty much enslave us to their will. Fight the IRS, the EPA, SEC, HUD, whatever, they make "laws" that we have to follow and they weren't elected.
The president is mostly a talking head with a few pet peeves they want to and for the most part, get to fix. As long as it doesn't get in the way of the important issues.
Guest
06-02-2016, 02:28 PM
The guys with the big stakes in the big businesses. Nobody knows except those involved. You only hear about the "new money", "old money" keeps a low profile.
They work through the party to get favorable politicians and laws passed. The party is the liaison between the corporations and government
"Their" politicians then "appoint" people who pretty much work FOR the very people they're regulating. Bankers regulate banking, securities people the bond/stock market. Drug executives regulate drugs.
It's the appointed people and high up officials who make/enforce the regulations that pretty much enslave us to their will. Fight the IRS, the EPA, SEC, HUD, whatever, they make "laws" that we have to follow and they weren't elected.
The president is mostly a talking head with a few pet peeves they want to and for the most part, get to fix. As long as it doesn't get in the way of the important issues.
Unless that president is BLACK and then he can do anything he wants, break any rules or laws and in fact, make his own laws. This one IS a talking head, but also knows no one will keep him from his radical agenda, under threat of an all out racial riot/war.
Guest
06-02-2016, 02:48 PM
Unless that president is BLACK and then he can do anything he wants, break any rules or laws and in fact, make his own laws. This one IS a talking head, but also knows no one will keep him from his radical agenda, under threat of an all out racial riot/war.You make every post your own.
Guest
06-02-2016, 03:44 PM
You make every post your own.
Whatever. If you don't like it, there's the door --->
Guest
06-02-2016, 08:26 PM
Unless that president is BLACK and then he can do anything he wants, break any rules or laws and in fact, make his own laws. This one IS a talking head, but also knows no one will keep him from his radical agenda, under threat of an all out racial riot/war.
I think he was chosen for this moment in time. The time when the minorities start becoming the majority. You'll see more and more minorities entering positions of power. This was to get us used to it.
I have NO idea WHY the powers that be would want the US dropping to into 3rd worldness. Unless it's really not sustainable keeping 1st world countries around. Who knows why, but we are heading towards 3rd worldness.
A lot of people say they're both gay, that's why the BIG pushes for gay rights and the transgender thing. You have to admit they made 100 years of gains in these last 8 years.
Whatever. If you don't like it, there's the door --->
Bada boom...
I know, SAY something or stay the hell out.
Guest
06-02-2016, 09:06 PM
Bada boom...
I know, SAY something or stay the hell out.
yawn....
Guest
06-03-2016, 04:18 AM
For one that served 20 years in military and 20 years in federal service I see most wars are waste. Especially Vietnam. We had no choice in WW2. But, that's not what's going to be are dome?
Wars within, you know political wars over power, control, and money. IMO every citzen should have to serve in the military, why ? should be your duty to protect and defend you Country. IMO veterans a really not give the honor they deserve. Our society thinks politicians, most schools teachers, and leaders of groups are the real heroes, when they are the ones that are undermining the spirt of America.
I agree there are few that can't serve cause they are too weak, can't take orders, and can't do the job. That's ok, there not cowards just weak, but because the read books, pass test, and able to get job (political science major) that has no skill other than reading book, lectures, and inducing they're political agenda and not heroes.
I agree it's too late the brainwashing and illegal invasion for political purposes has has won. There is no turning back. In 20 years we will be just like Mexico, most of South America, and maybe in the future like North Korea? Cause the weak minded will be eventually be slaughtered. Luckily, most of us older generation will be dead by then!
Dear Guest: You are right in what you say. I have a strong opinion on the issue of conscription. I believe we should all serve in one capacity or another. I believe we should all have skin in the game. A reasonable plan can be made that utilizes a person's skills
one way or another.
But that is no our reality. The all volunteer military is failing for a number of reasons. This nation cannot continue down this road.
Obama's social engineering of the military has decimated our effectiveness by leaps and bounds. We are losing valuable talent in the military because politicians who never served and who only act in their best interest allow this social engineering with reckless abandonment
Our educational leaders have indoctrinated our young into marxist ideology and have deadened the spirit of patriotism
Personal Best Regards:
Guest
06-03-2016, 04:23 AM
Dear Guest: You are right in what you say. I have a strong opinion on the issue of conscription. I believe we should all serve in one capacity or another. I believe we should all have skin in the game. A reasonable plan can be made that utilizes a person's skills
one way or another.
But that is no our reality. The all volunteer military is failing for a number of reasons. This nation cannot continue down this road.
Obama's social engineering of the military has decimated our effectiveness by leaps and bounds. We are losing valuable talent in the military because politicians who never served and who only act in their best interest allow this social engineering with reckless abandonment
Our educational leaders have indoctrinated our young into marxist ideology and have deadened the spirit of patriotism
Personal Best Regards:
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