Be careful using “For sale” signs

[twoplanekid]

According to the other online news source/site, anyone who parks a car, golf or any other vehicle on District-owned property with a “For Sale” or “For Rent” on it will receive a warning and then more action by the District if the owner doesn’t comply by removing the sign.

This must be a stricter enforcement of an existing rule because I saw many of these signs on vehicles this past winter season. So, be warned and use another method to get your message to the public.

Let's get the word out and maybe suggest TOV classifieds.


"Section 7.10 of the VCCDD Rule states,

No person may leave, stand or park any motor vehicle, golf cart or merchandise on any District owned public property, including any street, parking lot, alley, or easement, or upon any public place, including vacant land, shopping center parking lots or any other similar area for the purpose of displaying such motor vehicle, golf cart or merchandise for rent or sale without the approval of the District Manager."

[CWGUY]

According to the other online news source/site, anyone who parks a car, golf or any other vehicle on District-owned property with a “For Sale” or “For Rent” on it will receive a warning and then more action by the District if the owner doesn’t comply by removing the sign.

This must be a stricter enforcement of an existing rule because I saw many of these signs on vehicles this past winter season. So, be warned and use another method to get your message to the public.

Let's get the word out and maybe suggest TOV classifieds.

I think the District will get the word out.

A BIG thank you to the District for this enforcement. I'm sick of looking at the signs. :coolsmiley:

I don't think you can see them from Ohio. :undecided:

[photo1902]

I really don't see the big deal of having a For Sale sign in your golf cart, and I'm not talking about someone taking their cart to one of the town squares and leaving it all day or all night to try and sell it. Im talking about someone who is actually dining, shopping, listening to music, etc. In addition, what's the difference between a For Sale sign in a cart, or a cart plastered with vinyl graphics advertising home services, golf cart lettering, bug screens, etc?

[Sandtrap328]

According to the other online news source/site, anyone who parks a car, golf or any other vehicle on District-owned property with a “For Sale” or “For Rent” on it will receive a warning and then more action by the District if the owner doesn’t comply by removing the sign.

This must be a stricter enforcement of an existing rule because I saw many of these signs on vehicles this past winter season. So, be warned and use another method to get your message to the public.

Let's get the word out and maybe suggest TOV classifieds.

"District Owned" property does not include being parked at the squares on the streets. Those are all public streets. Yes, the parking lots are developer owned.

Personally, I see no problem with letting someone put a For Sale or For Rent sign on their cart. It does look better than having a large sign on your car advertising a business and driving it around and parking it in your driveway.

[graciegirl]

Mister Two Plane.

What would you do if you got elected?

[Phanatic Luvr]

I also don't understand how the District can enforce such a rule if one is parked on a public street. If I am correct, the bonds we all pay, paid to construct the infrastructure of TV's which I would assume, includes our roadways. I personally don't find it a problem to go to the squares in a cart that is for sale and have a sign in it. I assume the District just doesn't want it to get out of hand and therefore are trying to implement this rule.

[outlaw]

I think the District will get the word out.

A BIG thank you to the District for this enforcement. I'm sick of looking at the signs. :coolsmiley:

I don't think you can see them from Ohio. :undecided:

Looking at a for sale sign on a golf cart upsets you? You're pretty sensitive.

[twoplanekid]

Political signs on golf carts are still allowed. If only my wife and I could agree on which presidential candidate to promote. :icon_wink:

[outlaw]

I also don't understand how the District can enforce such a rule if one is parked on a public street. If I am correct, the bonds we all pay, paid to construct the infrastructure of TV's which I would assume, includes our roadways. I personally don't find it a problem to go to the squares in a cart that is for sale and have a sign in it. I assume the District just doesn't want it to get out of hand and therefore are trying to implement this rule.

More likely the developer owns or has more than a landlord's interest in the golf cart sales businesses in the squares. I think a new law was just passed that allows the developer more authority in this matter. Who hasn't placed a for sale sign in their car window some time in their life, other than those raised in Ohio to know better?

[manaboutown]

More likely the developer owns or has more than a landlord's interest in the golf cart sales businesses in the squares. I think a new law was just passed that allows the developer more authority in this matter. Who hasn't placed a for sale sign in their car window some time in their life, other than those raised in Ohio to know better?

My guess is that the developer does not want the parking lots used as used car lots, looking tacky, littered with vehicles left there with for sale signs on them taking up parking spaces needed by those shopping, going to their dentist or whatever.

It seems to me it is a good idea to enforce such a rule.

[CWGUY]

More likely the developer owns or has more than a landlord's interest in the golf cart sales businesses in the squares. I think a new law was just passed that allows the developer more authority in this matter. Who hasn't placed a for sale sign in their car window some time in their life, other than those raised in Ohio to know better?

It never fails - everyday someone on this site amazes me with their ignorance on how things work here. They didn't do their homework before buying. Now they complain about the way things are done, want to change this and that, and use the wrong terms all the time. (New law allows the District not the Developer) You must be too new to remember going to a Square and not getting a parking spot because 15-20 carts are all parked next to each other with 4 sale signs. Looked just GREAT! One evening behind Panara's I talked to a man who lived outside the Villages. He was unloading 2 carts from a trailer. He was bringing them to the square with 4 sale signs. He did it on market nights (more people and less parking because of the vendors)

Ever see a car or cart parked at a Postal Station with a 4 sale sign? People leave them all day and half the night. Taking a parking spot all day... that's GREAT! Screw my neighbors, I'm more important. Just ask me, I'll tell you.

:ohdear: We don't get to pick which rules we follow.... be a good neighbor and resident.... follow them all. :coolsmiley:

[CWGUY]

Looking at a for sale sign on a golf cart upsets you? You're pretty sensitive.

Yeah, that's me. I'm too sensitive. :faint:

[Walter123]

Mister Two Plane.

What would you do if you got elected?

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[Walter123]

Looking at a for sale sign on a golf cart upsets you? You're pretty sensitive.

Yeah, who cares. This is America. I'd put a sign on my cart if I was selling and it would be HUGE!

[Walter123]

:ohdear: We don't get to pick which rules we follow.... be a good neighbor and resident.... follow them all. :coolsmiley:

I don't recall the golf cart for sale sign rule when I moved here 2 years ago? Where did you see it?

[justjim]

According to what I read the streets around the Squares are public property and this is why the "Deputy Smokey's" can ticket you for drinking a beer while sitting in your golf cart listening to music. Rather petty I say!

Well, can you have it both ways? One has to wonder............

[Phanatic Luvr]

It never fails - everyday someone on this site amazes me with their ignorance on how things work here. They didn't do their homework before buying. Now they complain about the way things are done, want to change this and that, and use the wrong terms all the time. (New law allows the District not the Developer) You must be too new to remember going to a Square and not getting a parking spot because 15-20 carts are all parked next to each other with 4 sale signs. Looked just GREAT! One evening behind Panara's I talked to a man who lived outside the Villages. He was unloading 2 carts from a trailer. He was bringing them to the square with 4 sale signs. He did it on market nights (more people and less parking because of the vendors)

Ever see a car or cart parked at a Postal Station with a 4 sale sign? People leave them all day and half the night. Taking a parking spot all day... that's GREAT! Screw my neighbors, I'm more important. Just ask me, I'll tell you.

:ohdear: We don't get to pick which rules we follow.... be a good neighbor and resident.... follow them all. :coolsmiley:

(New law allows the District not the Developer) - Now that you stated that, there are several Districts in TV's. Have they all adopted this new rule and if so, did each District have a vote at their CDD Meetings? I'm just curious, and maybe I am wrong here, but when you stated District, I'm thinking CDD Districts. Please explain. Not trying to be confrontational in anyway.

[twoplanekid]

Actually, there is a VCCD rule prohibiting any attempt to sell a car, golf cart or any other vehicle on District-owned property. So, the sign is a tipoff that you are in violation. It’s kind of a catch 22. There is no rule against the sign except you can’t do what it proposes. The sign and the act of are one in the same.

I am trying to locate this rule.

[Topspinmo]

I could see not allowing dealers to come in and sell carts cause they won't get their cut. But, privately owned vehicle don't see how they can stop it. Just don't park in parking lot. I also think the bigger problem are illegally parked vehicles which should be their priority, not some resident legally parked on the street with sign on his cart or car. If were going to stop signs then how about the all the lettering and old license plates plastered all over carts?
And of course John Doe dealership advertising on back of all cars? Let's pull All signs :popcorn:hy

If was was to run and get elected that what I would do! Straighten out this place :evil6:

"O" and no radios at the pools also!

Can I count in your vote:1rotfl:

[CWGUY]

(new law allows the district not the developer) - now that you stated that, there are several districts in tv's. Have they all adopted this new rule and if so, did each district have a vote at their cdd meetings? I'm just curious, and maybe i am wrong here, but when you stated district, i'm thinking cdd districts. Please explain. Not trying to be confrontational in anyway.

vccdd

slcdd

[CWGUY]

Actually, there is a VCCD rule prohibiting any attempt to sell a car, golf cart or any other vehicle on District-owned property. So, the sign is a tipoff that you are in violation. It’s kind of a catch 22. There is no rule against the sign except you can’t do what it proposes. The sign and the act of are one in the same.

I am trying to locate this rule.

Sorry - I have to ask why. You don't have to answer.
That would be like watching paint dry.

I don't know what's going on up in Ohio... but I'm doing this stupid
crap today because I'm to sick to play golf.

[Sandtrap328]

Once again, the prohibited signs are for being on District owned property.

The streets in The Villages are PUBLIC and that includes around the squares.

[CWGUY]

I don't recall the golf cart for sale sign rule when I moved here 2 years ago? Where did you see it?

Here's the info. - I don't have the time to take you. You'll have to find it yourself. :icon_wink:

CDD Orientation
Please join us each Thursday at 10:00am at the District office
located at 984 Old Mill Run to learn about how the Districts
operate and other important community information. For
additional information, please contact us at (352) 753-4508.

[CWGUY]

(New law allows the District not the Developer) - Now that you stated that, there are several Districts in TV's. Have they all adopted this new rule and if so, did each District have a vote at their CDD Meetings? I'm just curious, and maybe I am wrong here, but when you stated District, I'm thinking CDD Districts. Please explain. Not trying to be confrontational in anyway.

See post #23 :icon_wink: You and Walter123 could go together. Hold his hand and make him look both ways when crossing the street.

CDD Orientation
Please join us each Thursday at 10:00am at the District office
located at 984 Old Mill Run to learn about how the Districts
operate and other important community information. For
additional information, please contact us at (352) 753-4508.

[CWGUY]

Actually, there is a VCCD rule prohibiting any attempt to sell a car, golf cart or any other vehicle on District-owned property. So, the sign is a tipoff that you are in violation. It’s kind of a catch 22. There is no rule against the sign except you can’t do what it proposes. The sign and the act of are one in the same.

I am trying to locate this rule.

CDD Orientation
Please join us each Thursday at 10:00am at the District office
located at 984 Old Mill Run to learn about how the Districts
operate and other important community information. For
additional information, please contact us at (352) 753-4508.

:a040: So, I'll see you there at 10 a.m.? :icon_wink:

[twoplanekid]

Once again, the prohibited signs are for being on District owned property.

The streets in The Villages are PUBLIC and that includes around the squares.


Are the parking lots behind the squares public places?

[CWGUY]

Are the parking lots behind the squares public places?

:1rotfl:

[Jima64]

I could see not allowing dealers to come in and sell carts cause they won't get their cut. But, privately owned vehicle don't see how they can stop it. Just don't park in parking lot. I also think the bigger problem are illegally parked vehicles which should be their priority, not some resident legally parked on the street with sign on his cart or car. If were going to stop signs then how about the all the lettering and old license plates plastered all over carts?
And of course John Doe dealership advertising on back of all cars? Let's pull All signs :popcorn:hy

If was was to run and get elected that what I would do! Straighten out this place :evil6:

"O" and no radios at the pools also!

Can I count in your vote:1rotfl:
:a040::a040::coolsmiley:

[Sandtrap328]

Are the parking lots behind the squares public places?

I believe those are District owned. Why would a cart with a For Sale sign on it - in a parking lot BEHIND the squares bother anyone? Are there so many such carts being sold everyday that they take up the entire lot?

[mtdjed]

I believe those are District owned. Why would a cart with a For Sale sign on it - in a parking lot BEHIND the squares bother anyone? Are there so many such carts being sold everyday that they take up the entire lot?

Takes up room that is needed to park little white golf cars that have numbers on them.

[njbchbum]

I believe those are District owned. Why would a cart with a For Sale sign on it - in a parking lot BEHIND the squares bother anyone? Are there so many such carts being sold everyday that they take up the entire lot?

Not about the amount of parking spaces available. Parking said carts there is a competiton for the Villages' own golf cart sales. Private sales cut into their business plan.

[karostay]

Are the streets public property?

[Sandtrap328]

Are the streets public property?

Yes. That is the reason that The Villages is not a gated community. Anyone has the right to enter through any gate and drive through The Villages

[joec3]

Seems the First Amendment doesn't apply here

[Sanibel7]

the streets are public property but the lots are not and are owned by the villages

[Barefoot]

According to the other online news source/site, anyone who parks a car, golf or any other vehicle on District-owned property with a “For Sale” or “For Rent” on it will receive a warning and then more action by the District if the owner doesn’t comply by removing the sign.
The sky is not falling. The thread title may be a tad alarmist.
The prohibition applies only to district-owned property; not public streets at the Town Squares, and not your driveway.

[dbussone]

The sky is not falling. The thread title may be a tad alarmist.
The prohibition applies only to district-owned property; not public streets at the Town Squares, and not your driveway.



Just a "tad?" Sky's not falling? The thread has already jumped to violations of one's first amendment rights. (By the way, Bare, do you have those in Canada, or just when you are here in TV? Inquiring minds want to know.)


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[rustyp]

Are the Washington Redskins decals on my cart allowed ?

[twoplanekid]

Some might say, thank goodness for public streets that aren’t totally controlled by The Villages. I purchased my used cart from a listing on the internet and still believe it is the most effective way to sell items. As The Villages increase in population, firmer enforcement of all existing rules may be the new trend.

[graciegirl]

And therein lies my problem with this. I like things totally controlled by "The Villages". I could sense from Mr.Plane's first posts that he wants to change things to how things are run say in Urbana and Chicago, Illinois. NO thank you. I like how things are here, now. I like how things are run south of 466. When things are turned over to the people who run for office, then things won't be as nice.

[graciegirl]

And therein lies my problem with this. I like things totally controlled by "The Villages". I could sense from Mr.Plane's first posts that he wants to change things to how things are run say in Urbana, Ohio and Chicago, Illinois. NO thank you. I like how things are here, now.

[twoplanekid]

And therein lies my problem with this. I like things totally controlled by "The Villages". I could sense from Mr.Plane's first posts that he wants to change things to how things are run say in Urbana, Ohio and Chicago, Illinois. NO thank you. I like how things are here, now.

Wow. It was my intent to provide information on a change to the enforcement of an existing rule in The Villages. Why doesn’t the Villages provide public guidance on their web site to these enforcement changes?

I can’t control how any thread evolves. As long as issues are debated, I am pleased! I am personally surprised to see how many changes have taken place here in my short association with this nice place in Florida.

And Urbana (Maybe) Chicago (No Thank You) :icon_wink:

[graciegirl]

Wow. It was my intent to provide information on a change to the enforcement of an existing rule in The Villages. Why doesn’t the Villages provide public guidance on their web site to these enforcement changes?

I can’t control how any thread evolves. As long as issues are debated, I am pleased! I am personally surprised to see how many changes have taken place in The Villages in my short association with this nice place in Florida.

And Urbana (Maybe) Chicago (No Thank You) :icon_wink:


I read such a notice on the online news last week. Something about illegal parkers would be towed.

I have pretty much decided if you run, I will run against you. I think I have the hang of it. Wear a Nehru Jacket and have blondish hair. Then the major news sources will malign you, and you win.

[twoplanekid]

I read such a notice on the online news last week. Something about illegal parkers would be towed.

I have pretty much decided if you run, I will run against you. I think I have the hang of it. Wear a Nehru Jacket and have blondish hair. Then the major news sources will malign you, and you win.

Yes, someday we will meet and I am looking forward to that day. Sorry I missed you this last March for the meet & greet. :smiley:

[outlaw]

Are the Washington Redskins decals on my cart allowed ?

Yes...until the developer buys the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

[outlaw]

I believe those are District owned. Why would a cart with a For Sale sign on it - in a parking lot BEHIND the squares bother anyone? Are there so many such carts being sold everyday that they take up the entire lot?

Because that's the way the king wants it! Beheadings will begin at 4PM in the town squares prior to music and happy hour drinks.

[outlaw]

It never fails - everyday someone on this site amazes me with their ignorance on how things work here. They didn't do their homework before buying. Now they complain about the way things are done, want to change this and that, and use the wrong terms all the time. (New law allows the District not the Developer) You must be too new to remember going to a Square and not getting a parking spot because 15-20 carts are all parked next to each other with 4 sale signs. Looked just GREAT! One evening behind Panara's I talked to a man who lived outside the Villages. He was unloading 2 carts from a trailer. He was bringing them to the square with 4 sale signs. He did it on market nights (more people and less parking because of the vendors)

Ever see a car or cart parked at a Postal Station with a 4 sale sign? People leave them all day and half the night. Taking a parking spot all day... that's GREAT! Screw my neighbors, I'm more important. Just ask me, I'll tell you.

:ohdear: We don't get to pick which rules we follow.... be a good neighbor and resident.... follow them all. :coolsmiley:

When it comes to the town squares, district and developer are one and the same. You should know that, or are you just parsing?
And, I DID read my deed restrictions, my title insurance exceptions, etc., unlike probably 90% of buyers. I moved here eyes wide open regarding the developer's reputation and control. I still live in good old USA even though I'm not at all thrilled with the current administration. It doesn't mean I'm ignorant of what is going on.

[dbussone]

Are the Washington Redskins decals on my cart allowed ?



Probably not, but you will get a pass if you use a Patriot's decal. :)


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[CFrance]

Probably not, but you will get a pass if you use a Patriot's decal. :)


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:ohdear: :boxing2: :faint:

[graciegirl]

What does "parsing" mean?

[dbussone]

What does "parsing" mean?

Here you go GG. :)


parse
pärs/
verb
1.
analyze (a sentence) into its parts and describe their syntactic roles.

noun
1.
an act of or the result obtained by parsing a string or a text.



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[CFrance]

It can also mean to kind of tease something apart to get at a meaning. That's a stretch, but how my hubs and I use it.

[Walter123]

I'm doing this stupid
crap today because I'm to sick to play golf.

You're sick for sure.

[dbussone]

It can also mean to kind of tease something apart to get at a meaning. That's a stretch, but how my hubs and I use it.



Are you parsing the definition of parse from above?


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[Walter123]

Probably not, but you will get a pass if you use a Patriot's decal. :)


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Let's not inflate the situation........

[dbussone]

Let's not inflate the situation........



No, no. We must deflate it at all costs.


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[twoplanekid]

I thank District Customer Service for the following ->

"Section 7.10 of the VCCDD Rule states,

No person may leave, stand or park any motor vehicle, golf cart or merchandise on any District owned public property, including any street, parking lot, alley, or easement, or upon any public place, including vacant land, shopping center parking lots or any other similar area for the purpose of displaying such motor vehicle, golf cart or merchandise for rent or sale without the approval of the District Manager."

[Bogie Shooter]

The sky is not falling. The thread title may be a tad alarmist.
The prohibition applies only to district-owned property; not public streets at the Town Squares, and not your driveway.

As always..................

[twoplanekid]

I have asked for a clarification from the District as to the applicability of the rule to the three town squares.

[CWGUY]

I have asked for a clarification from the District as to the applicability of the rule to the three town squares.

:shrug: Is it raining in Ohio today?

[Bogie Shooter]

:1rotfl:

[Spinning3]

Agree with Photo1902 - why shouldn't anyone be able to post whatever they want on their golf cart? Understand that overnight parking, etc. is another issue. I personally don't want tow trucks running around The Villages. Be careful what you ask for!!

[CFrance]

Are you parsing the definition of parse from above?


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[Rapscallion St Croix]

Damn! There goes my marketing plan for my golf cart. I hope I can get a refund on the air dancer I rented for the event.

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[Barefoot]

Agree with Photo1902 - why shouldn't anyone be able to post whatever they want on their golf cart? Understand that overnight parking, etc. is another issue. I personally don't want tow trucks running around The Villages. Be careful what you ask for!! You can post whatever you want on your golf cart.
But you can't leave it overnight on District property, especially in handicapped parking!

[manaboutown]

It seems to me the intent here is to keep folks from leaving their carts in district owned/controlled parking lots for extended periods of time for the purpose of selling them. I have seen such unofficial used car lots pop up on vacant lots in a few towns. Eventually the owner/authorities crack down.

[Marathon Man]

It seems to me the intent here is to keep folks from leaving their carts in district owned/controlled parking lots for extended periods of time for the purpose of selling them. I have seen such unofficial used car lots pop up on vacant lots in a few towns. Eventually the owner/authorities crack down.

Yep. Abuse by a few leads to a rule that everyone must follow.

I don't see this as a big deal. Simply remove your for sale sign if you end up parking in a parking lot. Then put it back on when you drive away. Parked on the street, not under the new rule.

[virgind]

Next you will have to only have certain colored cars or you will not be able to drive it in side the bubble.

[twoplanekid]

I asked the question->
I have one additional question. Does this rule apply to the public roads around/inside the three town centers?

And the reply from Customer Service ->
Yes, it would apply to those areas as well.

With that in mind, I would say don’t even think about using “For sale” signs on carts or vehicles except on your own property and of course outside of The Villages. As was mentioned, classified ads on a web site can be used as a good alternative.

[graciegirl]

I asked the question->
I have one additional question. Does this rule apply to the public roads around/inside the three town centers?

And the reply from Customer Service ->
Yes, it would apply to those areas as well.

With that in mind, I would say don’t even think about using “For sale” signs on carts or vehicles except on your own property and of course outside of The Villages. As was mentioned, classified ads on a web site can be used as a good alternative.

Skip to the bottom line. How often would this happen?

We bought our first cart used, through an ad. We traded in an electric cart to The Villages Cart business. That is nearly ten years of us owning two carts. I am pretty sure we are typical.

People get their knickers in a hitch over things that rarely happen, like the national bathroom debacle.

Now that I know this is a rule, not trying to sell a vehicle at the public parking lot, I will handle it just like I have all other rules, I will abide by it.

I will concentrate on worrying about finding a cure for cancer and why people aren't saving money anymore.

[Boomer]

...........

[justjim]

Skip to the bottom line. How often would this happen?

We bought our first cart used, through an ad. We traded in an electric cart to The Villages Cart business. That is nearly ten years of us owning two carts. I am pretty sure we are typical.

People get their knickers in a hitch over things that rarely happen, like the national bathroom debacle.

Now that I know this is a rule, not trying to sell a vehicle at the public parking lot, I will handle it just like I have all other rules, I will abide by it.

I will concentrate on worrying about finding a cure for cancer and why people aren't saving money anymore.

Good post Gracie! Oh, and people don't save money because they don't pay themselves first.

[manaboutown]

I asked the question->
I have one additional question. Does this rule apply to the public roads around/inside the three town centers?

And the reply from Customer Service ->
Yes, it would apply to those areas as well.

With that in mind, I would say don’t even think about using “For sale” signs on carts or vehicles except on your own property and of course outside of The Villages. As was mentioned, classified ads on a web site can be used as a good alternative.

How can the developer or "the district" control the posting of signs on cars and carts driving or parked on public thoroughfares?

Are you sure about this?

[dbussone]

How can the developer or "the district" control the posting of signs on cars and carts driving or parked on public thoroughfares?



Are you sure about this?



Most likely because the "District" is a quasi governmental agency which receives certain rights and powers via the FL Legislature. The most recent of these, beginning July 1st, empowers the District with the ability to ticket and/or tow I believe.

Here is a story regarding the new powers:
http://www.**************.com/bad-parkers-beware-new-powers-target-violators/



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[twoplanekid]

How can the developer or "the district" control the posting of signs on cars and carts driving or parked on public thoroughfares?

Are you sure about this?

Again, this is what I received -->

Yes, it would apply to those areas as well.

Erica Ramos, MPA
Customer Service Supervisor
984 Old Mill Run
The Villages, FL 32162

(352) 753-4508
Erica.ramos@districtgov.org | Village Community Development Districts (http://www.DistrictGov.org)

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[fofd1091]

ALL I can say is "shot"em all ,and let the good Lord sort them out. not in my pay grade. lol
PS go Graciegirl. I would like to cast the first vote... This is a hoot ...... end of story lol

[Barefoot]

Skip to the bottom line. How often would this happen? People get their knickers in a hitch over things that rarely happen..........
:agree:

[twoplanekid]

What caused this change to the enforcement of an existing rule? Was it because on one incident or many? I wish TV would do a better job of getting the word out when they change enforcement policies. However, maybe I missed or overlooked their messages to us on “for sale” signs.

I, Gracie and others now have a better understanding of this rule and its enforcement which is a good thing.

[jimmijoeq]

Can't have for sale signs or what will be the punishment? But they can't/won't enforce " no seat chair saving"

[twoplanekid]

Can't have for sale signs or what will be the punishment? But they can't/won't enforce " no seat chair saving"

According to the other online news site, “ The warning sign threatened that the owner’s phone number had been recorded and that any further violations could result in the owner being prohibited from entering District-owned property.”

I don’t know about you but for me that could mean that I would not be able to pick up my mail when down in TV. :D

Rules are to be followed because they are the rules and not because of the punishment.

[graciegirl]

According to the other online news site, “ The warning sign threatened that the owner’s phone number had been recorded and that any further violations could result in the owner being prohibited from entering District-owned property.”

I don’t know about you but for me that could mean that I would not be able to pick up my mail when down in TV. :D

Rules are to be followed because they are the rules and not because of the punishment.

First, you must accept that this is a large privately run business. In my opinion, it is a well run business, in fact an extremely well run business that has made the owners very, very, VERY wealthy and provided for those who willingly bought here a unique and rewarding experience for a reasonable amount of money. There exists areas still completely owned and run by the builders who have the right to make the rules about how their property is used.

Second, you must accept if you choose to be happy here, that the family who runs this business usually does not tell any of us what their plans are for changes and additions. Further, they do not appear to seek attention, and rarely appear in public. They have in the past contributed large amounts of money to the Republican Party and have allowed members of the Republican Party to speak at the squares. Also Fox News has broadcast from the squares. (The owners NEVER appearing with them)

It is my belief that we get quite a lot for our decision to live here. I am pleased with how the grounds are maintained, the space left just for beautiful and the expensive and well appointed rec centers and well maintained pools and common grounds.

Many used to refer to Gary Morse as a "benevolent" dictator, and I guess that would be close to the truth. I am a huge supporter of the American way of doing things, of our right to vote and freedom for all, but as a realist I see that this family does a great job running this city.

NO ONE forced us to buy here and if we find that how things work aren't to our liking, we can try to change them or sell our home at a profit and move to a traditionally run city like Orlando or Miami or Palm Beach or Daytona Beach or Bushnell.

[toeser]

I really don't see the big deal of having a For Sale sign in your golf cart, and I'm not talking about someone taking their cart to one of the town squares and leaving it all day or all night to try and sell it. Im talking about someone who is actually dining, shopping, listening to music, etc. In addition, what's the difference between a For Sale sign in a cart, or a cart plastered with vinyl graphics advertising home services, golf cart lettering, bug screens, etc?

Agree 100%. No sense me writing anything.

[OhioBuckeye]

I really don't see the big deal of having a For Sale sign in your golf cart, and I'm not talking about someone taking their cart to one of the town squares and leaving it all day or all night to try and sell it. Im talking about someone who is actually dining, shopping, listening to music, etc. In addition, what's the difference between a For Sale sign in a cart, or a cart plastered with vinyl graphics advertising home services, golf cart lettering, bug screens, etc?
You know you made a great point, carts with advertisement plastered all over it. Isn't this a little socialistic that we as property owners can't advertise something without paying our local papers a hundred dollars or more to advertise something that were selling that belongs to us. Yea, someone said that they're tired of looking at these "For Sale" signs hanging in there carts. Don't look at them look at the Vinyl graphic advertising & home service signs instead. Everything here in The Villages is for the Villages to make money & not let the property owners make a nickle on something. Good Comment!

[outlaw]

Skip to the bottom line. How often would this happen?

We bought our first cart used, through an ad. We traded in an electric cart to The Villages Cart business. That is nearly ten years of us owning two carts. I am pretty sure we are typical.

People get their knickers in a hitch over things that rarely happen, like the national bathroom debacle.

Now that I know this is a rule, not trying to sell a vehicle at the public parking lot, I will handle it just like I have all other rules, I will abide by it.

I will concentrate on worrying about finding a cure for cancer and why people aren't saving money anymore.

Exactly! And yet, the developer is making such a big deal out of this. A billionaire family "gotta enforce the rules" when it comes to making a nickel, but to heck with enforcing seat saving; let the masses eat cake. How petty.

[OhioBuckeye]

Looking at a for sale sign on a golf cart upsets you? You're pretty sensitive.

I agree! One sign in a golf cart that says For Sale, what about all the the team sports banners, the stickers & seeing someones cart all decorated with their favorite team or teams. Besides the only reason I really think their upset with these For Sale signs are because the Villages isn't making the money & it's not cheap to run an add in the THEIR paper. I like it here but all of the Villages is set up for the companies & the handy man that goes around charging everyone an arm & a leg to do anything. The Villages is a paradise for these over priced people to charge these retirees & elderly people. I know the ones that come here & think this is great are the ones that came from parts of the U.S. that had to pay for everything & you know who you are!:bigbow:

[graciegirl]

I agree! One sign in a golf cart that says For Sale, what about all the the team sports banners, the stickers & seeing someones cart all decorated with their favorite team or teams. Besides the only reason I really think their upset with these For Sale signs are because the Villages isn't making the money & it's not cheap to run an add in the THEIR paper. I like it here but all of the Villages is set up for the companies & the handy man that goes around charging everyone an arm & a leg to do anything. The Villages is a paradise for these over priced people to charge these retirees & elderly people. I know the ones that come here & think this is great are the ones that came from parts of the U.S. that had to pay for everything & you know who you are!:bigbow:

Reread this.

[Jima64]

Very simple question. Is there a hoa rule saying you cannot have a sign temporarily on your cart or car while in the villages area? What if it was parked on your driveway?

[banjobob]

I agree the carts sitting around with for sale signs looks tacky and diminishes the beauty of the squares, Those that have carts for sale have the free ads to sell on or their front yard , also I have heard some just buy and sell carts as individuals as a part time business which is OK just do as the dealers do run an ad.

[Vetter]

My problem is that I am not sure how they can tell the difference between one that is parked in front of Starbucks "for the purpose of displaying such motor vehicle, golf cart or merchandise for rent or sale" while the owner is at home and the one parked there by a person in the shop drinking coffee?? Or are they saying that you cannot put a for sale sign in the window of your car/cart inside TV?

If it is a major problem (which I personally doubt), maybe they should find a spot somewhere that you could pay a $10 fee or so and park your car or cart for buyers to see? We called it the "lemon lot" when we had them on military bases.

[graciegirl]

My problem is that I am not sure how they can tell the difference between one that is parked in front of Starbucks "for the purpose of displaying such motor vehicle, golf cart or merchandise for rent or sale" while the owner is at home and the one parked there by a person in the shop drinking coffee?? Or are they saying that you cannot put a for sale sign in the window of your car/cart inside TV?

If it is a major problem (which I personally doubt), maybe they should find a spot somewhere that you could pay a $10 fee or so and park your car or cart for buyers to see? We called it the "lemon lot" when we had them on military bases.

I am awash with Kool-Aid but I would guess that "they" would only tow carts that had been there for days. "They" seem to do everything else right. Again I say this is a tempest in a teapot and no big ummm deal. How often have you sold your golfcart?

[THUNDERCHIEF]

Anyone that gets upset about seeing a for sale sign needs to talk to a doctor for help.----

[graciegirl]

They can't tell me what to do.

[Challenger]

Very simple question. Is there a hoa rule saying you cannot have a sign temporarily on your cart or car while in the villages area? What if it was parked on your driveway?

HOA and POA have no jurisdiction (at all).

[graciegirl]

HOA and POA have no jurisdiction (at all).

Yes. You are so right and always a calming source of reason. I do so wish that everyone new would go to the work shop provided often to explain how a CDD and The Villages work.

And then I wish they would be happy with how things are.

[Bogie Shooter]

I agree! One sign in a golf cart that says For Sale, what about all the the team sports banners, the stickers & seeing someones cart all decorated with their favorite team or teams. Besides the only reason I really think their upset with these For Sale signs are because the Villages isn't making the money & it's not cheap to run an add in the THEIR paper. I like it here but all of the Villages is set up for the companies & the handy man that goes around charging everyone an arm & a leg to do anything. The Villages is a paradise for these over priced people to charge these retirees & elderly people. ]I know the ones that come here & think this is great are the ones that came from parts of the U.S. that had to pay for everything & you know who you are[/U]!:bigbow:

Reread this.

I did and it still doesn't make any sense..................

[twoplanekid]

Did anyone else examine the Cruise In information ad for Spanish Springs in the Today’s Entertainment section of the Daily Sun?

No “For Sale” signs displayed on vehicles. And, No flame throwing or tire burning. Gee, there goes some of the fun. :laugh:

[CWGUY]

Did anyone else examine the Cruise In information ad for Spanish Springs in the Today’s Entertainment section of the Daily Sun?

No “For Sale” signs displayed on vehicles. And, No flame throwing or tire burning. Gee, there goes some of the fun. :laugh:

:ohdear: For some of the new people..... I believe that wording has been in the ad for 19 years. :rolleyes:

[twoplanekid]

:ohdear: For some of the new people..... I believe that wording has been in the ad for 19 years. :rolleyes:

I hope I could still laugh at it after 19 years!:angel:

[graciegirl]

If it ain't broke........

[Gpsma]

Believe they use to say that about the horse and carriage at one time.

You remember that?

[graciegirl]

Believe they use to say that about the horse and carriage at one time.

You remember that?


Yes. I AM very old.

I do know that if you own the business, you get to make the decisions about how it is run.

[Here2Stay]

Looking at a for sale sign on a golf cart upsets you? You're pretty sensitive.

I so agree, why must we worry about so petty issues! GEE, time is ticking on our lives, and this is how we waste the time!

[Gpsma]

Yes. I AM very old.

I do know that if you own the business, you get to make the decisions about how it is run.

Tell that to the baker who wouldn't sell a wedding cake to a gay couple or to Coca-Cola when they tried to introduce New Coke.

You own a business but you still need to answer for your actions.

[graciegirl]

Tell that to the baker who wouldn't sell a wedding cake to a gay couple or to Coca-Cola when they tried to introduce New Coke.

You own a business but you still need to answer for your actions.

If it's not illegal, or immoral, if you build that better mousetrap, you get to choose the cheese.

People who have owned businesses and have made some money can tell you that they are never off duty, never really have vacation, reinvest most of what they make and worry a lot. They work 16 hour days, and just about 365 days a year, they have to be on top of workers and contractors and act nice. They never stop being careful with their money either. EVER.

[ColdNoMore]

And therein lies my problem with this. I like things totally controlled by "The Villages".

Throughout history, there hasn't been a single tyrant, dictator or despot that didn't/doesn't really appreciate that attitude. :thumbup:

[dbussone]

Throughout history, there hasn't been a tyrant, dictator or despot that didn't/doesn't really appreciate that attitude. :thumbup:



When discussing countries and political power your comment is an appropriate concern. Isn't this a different situation though? Property rights have long been upheld as existing for the individual good. I think the developer is entitled to put rules in place that protect or are favorable to the upkeep of his (and affiliated) property values...just as we can do for our individual properties. The OP was about carts for sale left on district property.


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[RickeyD]

When discussing countries and political power your comment is an appropriate concern. Isn't this a different situation though? Property rights have long been upheld as existing for the individual good. I think the developer is entitled to put rules in place that protect or are favorable to the upkeep of his (and affiliated) property values...just as we can do for our individual properties. The OP was about carts for sale left on district property.


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Correct. We aren't Villages citizens, merely residents.

[graciegirl]

There is nothing to make me think that things aren't run very well here, particularly where there is more developer control.

When I think things aren't going well, I will become an activist for change. I am very sincere in my respect for all of the folks who work behind the scenes taking care of things and trying to make wise decisions. There isn't enough money on this earth for anyone to want Janet Tutt's job. She is an amazing woman and I have seen her make good choices under fire. And she is often under fire.

[dbussone]

Correct. We aren't Villages citizens, merely residents.



RD - the grin on your face shows right through your comment. [emoji41]


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[Barefoot]

Post deleted. I should have bowed out of this discussion 100 posts ago.

[twoplanekid]

108 Comments. The Prohibition applies only to district-owned property, not public streets at the Town Squares.

I believe that you are not correct! Please read what I received from the District Office - post # 1,69 and 75

[graciegirl]

Who is maligning people for being succesful? Certainly not me.

Perhaps success isnt judged by how much kool-aid you can drink.

No. I think that would have more to do with whether you just love it here or have to think about it. I know you have been thinking about it for quite some time and you said you had reservations about living in a 55+ community. I think you know right away if this is the place for you. My admiration for this place is genuine and I have seen a place or two in this old world. So perhaps this isn't the place for you.

It isn't for everyone.

[Gpsma]

You're 100% correct. But i have bought a new home recently. However, i will never buy into that the Villages is paradise.

Its nothing more than a white, republican relatively crime free, congested suburb with activities, entertainment and happy hour. None of which is bad.

But do we have to agree that it is run perfectly by the Morse Family Gods?

Maybe the powers that be could have passed a district law that said only residents of the villages can have For Sale signs on their cars in district owned property. Maybe not legal but i doubt anyone would have a problem with that

[ColdNoMore]

When discussing countries and political power your comment is an appropriate concern. Isn't this a different situation though? Property rights have long been upheld as existing for the individual good. I think the developer is entitled to put rules in place that protect or are favorable to the upkeep of his (and affiliated) property values...just as we can do for our individual properties. The OP was about carts for sale left on district property.


I have a deed that proves my home is not the developers property.

The entire CDD concept proves that the developer no longer 'owns' a lot of this property, as selling it is how they became wealthy (and more power to them for it).

I have no issue with the Developer becoming rich, I have a problem with people who like giving Total Control to ANYONE...and then trying to convince others that there's nothing wrong with that.

History proves differently and I was simply pointing out what IS wrong with it. :shrug:

As the wise Barefoot (and a few others) have pointed out however, the for sale sign issue is ONLY on that property controlled by the developer.

So the developer (and his zombies) can go suck eggs, when I have my for sale sign (if I ever choose) in the window of my cart as I drive around. :D

[twoplanekid]

I have a deed that proves my home is not the develops property.

The entire CDD concept proves that the developer no longer 'owns' a lot of this property, as selling it is how they became wealthy (and more power to them for it).

I have no issue with the Developer becoming rich, I have a problem with people who like giving Total Control to ANYONE...and then trying to convince others that there's nothing wrong with that.

History proves differently and I was simply pointing out what IS wrong with it. :shrug:

As the wise Barefoot (and a few others) have pointed out however, the for sale sign issue is ONLY on that property controlled by the developer.

So the developer (and his zombies) can go suck eggs, when I have my for sale sign (if I ever choose) in the window of my cart as I drive around. :D

That is not true! Please read again posts 1,69 and 75.

[ColdNoMore]

That is not true! Please read again posts 1,69 and 75.

I understand that is the answer you received, I just don't believe it is correct.

After all, those who are used to Total Control (due to those who so easily give it to them) are also known to try and extend that control at every chance, whether legitimate or not.

I'll believe it when someone comes on here and says some kind of legal action/fine was taken toward them, while they had a for sale sign on public property.

NOT just told by someone driving around with a 'The Villages' sticker on their vehicle. :shrug:

[twoplanekid]

I understand that is the answer you received, I just don't believe it is correct.

After all, those who are used to Total Control (due to those who so easily give it to them) are also known to try and extend that control at every chance, whether legitimate or not.

I'll believe it when someone comes on here and says some kind of legal action/fine was taken toward them, while they had a for sale sign on public property.

NOT just told by someone driving around with a 'The Villages' sticker on their vehicle. :shrug:

I understand your position. You are more than welcome to attend a Welcome Wednesday to ask the people who run The Villages that question. They can and will try their best to help you with any issue.

[dbussone]

I have a deed that proves my home is not the develops property.

The entire CDD concept proves that the developer no longer 'owns' a lot of this property, as selling it is how they became wealthy (and more power to them for it).

I have no issue with the Developer becoming rich, I have a problem with people who like giving Total Control to ANYONE...and then trying to convince others that there's nothing wrong with that.

History proves differently and I was simply pointing out what IS wrong with it. :shrug:

As the wise Barefoot (and a few others) have pointed out however, the for sale sign issue is ONLY on that property controlled by the developer.

So the developer (and his zombies) can go suck eggs, when I have my for sale sign (if I ever choose) in the window of my cart as I drive around. :D



We agree. I was one who pointed out that the the rule applied to the developer's/district property. Never said a word about your property. And I don't like dictators. I said I agreed with you on that point. [emoji41]



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[RickeyD]

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

[dbussone]

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:



Salted and buttered (real butter), I hope.


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[CFrance]

I understand your position. You are more than welcome to attend a Welcome Wednesday to ask the people who run The Villages that question. They can and will try their best to help you with any issue.
I would want to hear that from the people who own/maintain the roads, rather than from someone at Welcome Wednesday. it's a well-known fact that the developer does not always lay things exactly out for people.

[kansasr]

"District Owned" property does not include being parked at the squares on the streets. Those are all public streets. Yes, the parking lots are developer owned.

Personally, I see no problem with letting someone put a For Sale or For Rent sign on their cart. It does look better than having a large sign on your car advertising a business and driving it around and parking it in your driveway.

Actually they are district owned, the Sumter Landing Community Development District (SLCDD). The developer only owns the actual commercial property, not the parking areas.

(Source: Sumter County Property Appraiser)

[jimlocke]

O h

[zonerboy]

The "district" (or who ever made up this rule about for sale signs on golf carts) may think that their rule applies to public streets as well as district owned property such as parking lots, but that doesn't necessarily make it so. It is pretty much unenforcible at any rate. If I ever decide to sell my golf cart, I will no doubt place a sign on it indicating it is for sale. Then I will drive it around The Villages just the same as I do now. If some one attempts to cite me for breaking this rule, I will simply explain that my cart is not parked where it is for purposes of selling it. Rather it is parked there for purposes of me going to the movies, or shopping, or listening to music on the Square, or whatever reason I choose to make up. Then I will invite them to prove otherwise.

[elevatorman]

According to what I read the streets around the Squares are public property and this is why the "Deputy Smokey's" can ticket you for drinking a beer while sitting in your golf cart listening to music. Rather petty I say!

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