Win10 Never doesn't Mean Never?

[rubicon]

I downloaded and ran Win 0 Never and also had it remove Win10 files. the Windows 10 icon located on the task bar disappeared Hooray! except that everyday the window 10 windows shows up and asks me if i am ready. And everyday I down load never 10 and run it. Its like Ground Hog Day. apparently never doesn't mean never or I am doing something wrong regarding the operation of Win 10 Never

Subsequently I have to shut down my laptop and reload it . windows 10 should have a button that says don't ask me anymore but they are not asking are they?

I need help from some of you computer sophisicates to help me make windows 10 go away

[Record10ti]

I need help from some of you computer sophisicates to help me make windows 10 go away



Why? What is it you fear?

[njbchbum]

Why? What is it you fear?

Perhaps nothing or something - what does it matter? The poster just wants it GONE! Can you help?

[Record10ti]

Perhaps nothing or something - what does it matter? The poster just wants it GONE! Can you help?

Very simple registry hacks, very simple. That said, if you are not 100% comfortable with it - not something to mess with. If the OP was comfortable with it, he would have used Google and done it.

[Madelaine Amee]

I downloaded and ran Win 0 Never and also had it remove Win10 files. the Windows 10 icon located on the task bar disappeared Hooray! except that everyday the window 10 windows shows up and asks me if i am ready. And everyday I down load never 10 and run it. Its like Ground Hog Day. apparently never doesn't mean never or I am doing something wrong regarding the operation of Win 10 Never

Subsequently I have to shut down my laptop and reload it . windows 10 should have a button that says don't ask me anymore but they are not asking are they?

I need help from some of you computer sophisicates to help me make windows 10 go away

Rubicon, try this site How to Uninstall Windows 10 and Downgrade to Windows 7 or 8.1 (http://www.howtogeek.com/220723/how-to-uninstall-windows-10-and-downgrade-to-windows-7-or-8.1/). Unfortunately, sooner or later, we will all be forced to accept 10.

[njbchbum]

Very simple registry hacks, very simple. That said, if you are not 100% comfortable with it - not something to mess with. If the OP was comfortable with it, he would have used Google and done it.

Based on that assessment hafta guess OP is NOT comfortable with registry hacks at any level.

Can you help?

[rubicon]

Rubicon, try this site How to Uninstall Windows 10 and Downgrade to Windows 7 or 8.1 (http://www.howtogeek.com/220723/how-to-uninstall-windows-10-and-downgrade-to-windows-7-or-8.1/). Unfortunately, sooner or later, we will all be forced to accept 10.

Thanks Madelaine

[Record10ti]

Rubicon, try this site How to Uninstall Windows 10 and Downgrade to Windows 7 or 8.1 (http://www.howtogeek.com/220723/how-to-uninstall-windows-10-and-downgrade-to-windows-7-or-8.1/). Unfortunately, sooner or later, we will all be forced to accept 10.


As a computer expert for a living (MCSE, CCIE, CCDA, WSE and more)...what is the fear of W10? People like to complain, and no one seems to know why. This, I have found...VERY typical of all things in TV.:ohdear:

[rubicon]

As a computer expert for a living (MCSE, CCIE, CCDA, WSE and more)...what is the fear of W10? People like to complain, and no one seems to know why. This, I have found...VERY typical of all things in TV.:ohdear:

Hi record10ti: It is not fear driving my actions. What is driving me is that Microsoft did not provide a dial button that allowed me to opt out and to remove their pop up notice.

I am not a "free stuff " aficionado. Its why in business I was an trusted fiduciary for my employer Beside which it causes me cognitive dissonance when I think that Microsoft can get $120- $200 from each user and yet offers it "free"? So what you may gather from this is that when I say its the principle of the thing and not the money, I do mean its the principle of the thing

Personal Best Regards:

[Record10ti]

Hi record10ti: It is not fear driving my actions. What is driving me is that Microsoft did not provide a dial button that allowed me to opt out and to remove their pop up notice.

I am not a "free stuff " aficionado. Its why in business I was an trusted fiduciary for my employer Beside which it causes me cognitive dissonance when I think that Microsoft can get $120- $200 from each user and yet offers it "free"? So what you may gather from this is that when I say its the principle of the thing and not the money, I do mean its the principle of the thing

Personal Best Regards:

I get your point. The reality however is that someone on any system that got 10 asked for it, at some point. May have been months ago when a copy was "reserved". May have been one of the dozens of "yes" answers for updates. With 8.1 it was with the EULA. If no one said "yes", you simply did not get 10.

For those with "Professional" versions of the OS there was an opt out even after the fact. Not the case with "Home" versions. Then there are those who use "domain" and Group policy to prevent an unplanned update. But, now that it has been out for a long time - we have migrated hundreds of domain based systems to 10 and had NOT ONE issue with applications that ran on 7 not running on 10 (but for Solitare that the EU simply needs to get from the App Store).

The "real" issue (IMO) is that most computer users never read a EULA, dont real the options and even more so with W10 dont turn off the telemetry (it is SUPER easy to disable at install). Yet, the same folks will let Google/Android and or Apple track their every move, stop, call, message and location wtih their cell phones.

[Madelaine Amee]

As a computer expert for a living (MCSE, CCIE, CCDA, WSE and more)...what is the fear of W10? People like to complain, and no one seems to know why. This, I have found...VERY typical of all things in TV.:ohdear:

I have no fear of it. Made my living on computers, love technology. However, my other half had a secretary and other people to do his bidding and he never had to move into the technical world so now I am forced to be his secretary every time something new comes along and that is getting very old, very quickly!

[Record10ti]

I have no fear of it. Made my living on computers, love technology. However, my other half had a secretary and other people to do his bidding and he never had to move into the technical world so now I am forced to be his secretary every time something new comes along and that is getting very old, very quickly!

As a secretary - Word, Excel, PowerPoint and Office on a whole has changed very little in many years. Acrobat and other Adobe app's have had drastic changes as has Crystal.

That said, the only real improvement to Word was in 2010 version where you could preview a font change:coolsmiley:

[shumbapie]

Why? What is it you fear?

Why do you presume that someone who does not want to upgrade to Windows 10 "fears" something? You are leaping to conclusions.

[TNLAKEPANDA]

I finely gave in to the 10 upgrade and have had no issues at all. In fact my computer runs faster and 10 is quite easy to master. I am using a Dell Inspiron 15 5000 ser

[NoMoSno]

I have a habit of not upgrading anything Microsoft for a least a couple years, after release. I've been happy with this protocol.

[Topspinmo]

I find that every time windows upgrades it down grades my ability to do simple commands as before. Good example is when I paste something to browser to save it I can't right click on it and open it up in another window it has to be in favorites before the right click icon comes up to open in new window. Or I have to hunt for hidden icon to do something simple that wasn't hidden on the previous widow version. As far as security I think each version is better than the one before. Now if I could just GET RID of the AOL loading popup every time I log on!

[Record10ti]

AOL loading popup every time I log on!


??? Where? Are you logging into the local machine or a Microsoft account? You can of course remove AOL from the control panel. In 10 you can also often right click the icon and hit uninstall right from there.

[rubicon]

I get your point. The reality however is that someone on any system that got 10 asked for it, at some point. May have been months ago when a copy was "reserved". May have been one of the dozens of "yes" answers for updates. With 8.1 it was with the EULA. If no one said "yes", you simply did not get 10.

For those with "Professional" versions of the OS there was an opt out even after the fact. Not the case with "Home" versions. Then there are those who use "domain" and Group policy to prevent an unplanned update. But, now that it has been out for a long time - we have migrated hundreds of domain based systems to 10 and had NOT ONE issue with applications that ran on 7 not running on 10 (but for Solitare that the EU simply needs to get from the App Store).

The "real" issue (IMO) is that most computer users never read a EULA, dont real the options and even more so with W10 dont turn off the telemetry (it is SUPER easy to disable at install). Yet, the same folks will let Google/Android and or Apple track their every move, stop, call, message and location wtih their cell phones.

record: for the record computer-ese is not my strong suit. I don't know what EULA stands for but my educated guess is that it is an agreement of sorts.

My education and experience had been in insurance and I read many contracts quite well. However computers are somewhat a mystery; albeit I can turn it on and off without instructions:D

[Madelaine Amee]

Record: In one of your posts you mention fear of change. I am not sure it is fear of change, it's more that my computer knows me really well. It knows where I shop, it knows what I wear, it knows what I read, it even knows what foods I eat. I can be working on something and my computer suddenly lets me know that my store has a sale on my favorite stuff. So if I give up my old friend I will have to teach the new software who I am and what I am and I do not want to be bothered doing that and, more to the point, I should not have to do that unless I chose to do so.

If I was still using a computer for business reasons it would be different, but my computer is basically for my personal enjoyment. I know where everything is on my computer, I know the email page, I know my browser. I do not want to open my computer every morning and find it is an alien being.

In retirement my life has changed and I no longer need to learn about the latest gadget or gizmo, I leave all that to my high tech children. I admire people like you who keep up to date on all the new technological marvels being thrown at us, but that is no longer part of my life.:)

[Record10ti]

Record: In one of your posts you mention fear of change. I am not sure it is fear of change, it's more that my computer knows me really well. It knows where I shop, it knows what I wear, it knows what I read, it even knows what foods I eat. I can be working on something and my computer suddenly lets me know that my store has a sale on my favorite stuff. So if I give up my old friend I will have to teach the new software who I am and what I am and I do not want to be bothered doing that and, more to the point, I should not have to do that unless I chose to do so.

If I was still using a computer for business reasons it would be different, but my computer is basically for my personal enjoyment. I know where everything is on my computer, I know the email page, I know my browser. I do not want to open my computer every morning and find it is an alien being.

In retirement my life has changed and I no longer need to learn about the latest gadget or gizmo, I leave all that to my high tech children. I admire people like you who keep up to date on all the new technological marvels being thrown at us, but that is no longer part of my life.:)

Of course, you know that it "knows" your habits thanks to tracking cookies right? That said, not as a proponent of W10 over 7...all of your cookies, home pages, search tools, and browser helper objects would stay in place. You can also move them from IE to Firefox to Chrome (and back in any order).

Edge with Windows 10 is a nightmare and a PITA for most websites (even more so SSL sites that you may pay bills with).

I for one do not allow cookies on my system. I do net let telemetrics out. I use ABP on Firefox (ad blocker) when I am not on Tor. I also block far more on my Firewall than you would imagine.

I was talking to a TV guy just the other day (a neighbor) and showed him in real time what ALL of his passwords are (that he had saved to IE and Firefox)...in clear text. That is what people are after (and it aint hard to get).

As an example, this map is showing only BLOCKED data and what country it is coming from - only for this site Talk of The Villages. Granted, I have tools that most do not have. But, if you really knew what all "they" know...um, yeah...

http://i64.tinypic.com/rh6900.jpg

[Record10ti]

:D

End User License Agreement :doggie:

[rubicon]

End User License Agreement :doggie:

Record: A favorite expression of attorneys is "contracts are made to be broken". I spent many a day in mediation/court watching attorneys exercise their boast

[Wayne Sallee]

For anyone not wanting to let Microsoft force an upgrade to Windows 10, you can set your Windows update to manual instead of automatic. The downside of this is that when you do so, you will stand a good chance of getting bit by the Microsoft Windows Update bug where you won't even get security updates, when you tell it to check for updates. Microsoft has become very aggressive in forcing people over to Windows 10. They have become so aggressive that they have even made Windows 7 buggy by trying to force people over to 10.

There will not be any Windows 11. Starting with Windows 10, it will just be a rolling update. You will be continually upgraded whether you want to or not.

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[rexxfan]

They have become so aggressive that they have even made Windows 7 buggy by trying to force people over to 10.
That is a very serious allegation. What is your source for this?
--
Bob C

[rubicon]

Microsoft continues their assault on me and my desktop and laptop. but for Microsoft ability to send me broke I would sue them for harassment . I don't need no stinkin windows 10:D

windows never at least allows me to take control of my computers and sut them down and restart so i can rid the windows 10 pop up for day or two. Please July 29 hurry

[Nucky]

I did not read every post. Windows 10 was forced into our computer. We had several issues which we worked thru. Yesterday in a time of critical need....Lawyer & Realtor & Title Agency crawling on us I cranked up this Windows piece of garbage to find it doing a Windows 10 update. You know what enough is enough. How disrespectful on Microsoft's part. I'm stuck for the moment but sometimes you have to lose a battle but as long as you win the war all is fine. I'm finished with them forever.

[Nucky]

I swear that as I departed the post above the computer started playing music and would not stop. I restarted the computer which triggered another Windows 10 update complete with a Icon on the start up screen. Lost another battle but I will prevail.

[rubicon]

I swear that as I departed the post above the computer started playing music and would not stop. I restarted the computer which triggered another Windows 10 update complete with a Icon on the start up screen. Lost another battle but I will prevail.

a poster asked me what I was afraid of with windows 10. you offer a perfect example. My computer is almost 4 years old I like win 7. My data is laid out where and how I want it. I don't need or want 10. In the very near future I will buy another laptop

[rhood]

I had been putting it off because my desktop is pretty old and I wasn't sure if it would be compatible but figured it would happen sometime. Yesterday morning I saw that it had installed over night. After a short period, it seems to be OK and a few of my apps open a lot faster now.

[Nucky]

a poster asked me what I was afraid of with windows 10. you offer a perfect example. My computer is almost 4 years old I like win 7. My data is laid out where and how I want it. I don't need or want 10. In the very near future I will buy another laptop

Please consider an Apple. I almost sent mine back in 2009 but my wife convinced me to keep it. It takes a full 30 days to get the Mac to where things are routine like we want. It is worth the learning curve. Imagine a computer that you control, yes your may update or not based on your schedule not Bill Gates schedule. More money more respect more using the computer instead of being frustrated. Oh by the way if there is a problem after a update you will be talking to a qualified technician who will solve your problem quickly and for free even 7 years after you bought your Mac. Good Luck.

[Wayne Sallee]

I prefer Linux over Microsoft Windows, and over Apple. With Linux I'm free to do what I want.

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[Wayne Sallee]

That is a very serious allegation. What is your source for this?
--
Bob C

Your answer is in the same post that you quoted from. :-)

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[biker1]

I run Ubuntu Linux on a laptop and the systems I use at work are all SLES and RHEL Linux. The Apple Mac OS is actually Unix under the covers - you can pop a terminal window and do whatever you want.

I prefer Linux over Microsoft Windows, and over Apple. With Linux I'm free to do what I want.

Wayne Sallee
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[Wayne Sallee]

Yes that's one thing that I like about Apple, is that it is run on Unix, though it's been modified quite a bit. I'd like it better if apple used completely open source unix, but it's understandable why they want to keep their version to themselves.

Because Unix and Linux are so similar, many things that can run on Linux can run on Unix, and vise versa. "Cups" is a open source printer driver that is maintained by Apple, and also used by Linux.

Wayne Sallee
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[rexxfan]

Your answer is in the same post that you quoted from. :-)

Wayne Sallee
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Its hard for me to imagine that it is a deliberate Microsoft corporate policy to intentionally introduce bugs into Windows 7 in order to encourage migration to Windows 10. It sounded like you were saying you had some kind of official confirmation of that, but I don't see any such in the post you refer to. It may well be that fewer resources are being devoted to servicing Windows 7 than in the past, and that might possibly have some bearing on the quality of the fixes they're shipping, but in my opinion that's hardly evidence of some underhanded ploy. But whatever. Each to their own. I've got 4 machines on Windows 10 and I like it a lot. Its difficult for me to understand all the negativity. Perhaps its because they gave it away for free that everyone is so cynical. Its pretty clear to me that Windows 10 is the future of Windows and in view of the fact that I have a decades long investment in hardware and software for the platform, its simply not an option for me to switch to something else and so I gladly upgraded. In the past I had to pay hundreds of dollars to upgrade all my machines.
--
Bob C

[Wayne Sallee]

I never said that they were deliberately making Windows 7 buggy. And no official confirmation.

But they are putting so much effort into forcing people over to windows 10 that they don't care as much for the people that want to stay with Windows 7.

Just like when they put so much effort into making a touch screen operating system, that they did not care much for those wanting a desktop operating system. Now with windows 10 they are giving people more of a desktop system than Windows 8.

But they are being underhanded in the way that they are forcing people over to windows 10 by upgrading peoples computers to windows 10 when they don't want windows 10. And I don't care about the excuse that people have "recommended updates" checked. That's just an excuse.

Also with Windows 10, which is really just "Windows" because there will be no more versions. It will be a rolling update, and Microsoft took away the option to turn off updates.

As for spending hundreds of dollars to upgrade your computers, I don't spend any money to upgrade my computers' operating systems, as I use Linux. Linux will run on any computer.

Bob, you should try out Mageia Linux. You will probably like it.

Wayne Sallee
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[rubicon]

I never said that they were deliberately making Windows 7 buggy. And no official confirmation.

But they are putting so much effort into forcing people over to windows 10 that they don't care as much for the people that want to stay with Windows 7.

Just like when they put so much effort into making a touch screen operating system, that they did not care much for those wanting a desktop operating system. Now with windows 10 they are giving people more of a desktop system than Windows 8.

But they are being underhanded in the way that they are forcing people over to windows 10 by upgrading peoples computers to windows 10 when they don't want windows 10. And I don't care about the excuse that people have "recommended updates" checked. That's just an excuse.

Also with Windows 10, which is really just "Windows" because there will be no more versions. It will be a rolling update, and Microsoft took away the option to turn off updates.

As for spending hundreds of dollars to upgrade your computers, I don't spend any money to upgrade my computers' operating systems, as I use Linux. Linux will run on any computer.

Bob, you should try out Mageia Linux. You will probably like it.

Wayne Sallee
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Wayne: your not saying it but based on the unethical behavior of so many in our society today I wouldn't put it past any corporation political party etc to do the unthinkable. So as a smart man once said "trust but verify" I understand obsolescence but I also believe that choice is my right and the term "free" causes me to pause.

I open this question to anyone. The Villages and surrounding area seem not to have an apple store. Best Buy will order you one Is there a better option than Best Buy? Is it best to travel down to Orlando to the Apple store even so should do I need to carry my tower and laptop to transfer data to the apple purchase? Yes I am a newbie when it comes to this stuff

[biker1]

There is an Apple Group in The Villages. Check the Rec Guide. I am sure you can obtain some excellent advice from them.

Regarding the actual purchase of an Apple system, check out the refurbished equipment on the Apple website. You can see some substantial discounts and all refurbished equipment comes with the normal 1-year warranty. An AppleCare 3-year warranty can be purchased inexpensively through Apple Authorized Dealers on the web for less than Apple sells them directly and provides unlimited phone support.

Wayne: your not saying it but based on the unethical behavior of so many in our society today I wouldn't put it past any corporation political party etc to do the unthinkable. So as a smart man once said "trust but verify" I understand obsolescence but I also believe that choice is my right and the term "free" causes me to pause.

I open this question to anyone. The Villages and surrounding area seem not to have an apple store. Best Buy will order you one Is there a better option than Best Buy? Is it best to travel down to Orlando to the Apple store even so should do I need to carry my tower and laptop to transfer data to the apple purchase? Yes I am a newbie when it comes to this stuff

[marowe4]

It's only free until the end of the month. Then it will cost you. And that's only if you have Windows 7 or 8.1. If you go to Best Buy, you'll see the full retail version of of Windows 10 for about $129. If you like the version you have, stick with it but just know that it will cost you to put it on there in August. However, if you put it on there and took it off, it should be licensed to you now so you could still get it again.

[NoMoSno]

There is a reason MS is offering 10 for "FREE".
Programs are being transitioned to "Cloud based".
You pay a monthly charge, for your favorite program.
MS has never given anything away for "FREE"....

[Biker Dog]

I use GWX to stop Windows 10 from bugging me and forcing me to upgrade. It tried to force install itself once but failed.

What is GWX and where did you get it?

[rubicon]

I use GWX to stop Windows 10 from bugging me and forcing me to upgrade. It tried to force install itself once but failed.

Window 10 window popped up giving me a one minute count down until it loaded. I installed Never 10. The first time it appeared I pulled the battery from my laptop.

I restarted again and wind 10 again appeared with a 1 minute count down. This time I noticed in white lettering at the bottom left of the window something to the effect of perhaps later. I clicked on to it and the window disappeared and hasn't returned for the last two days. At this stage in my life I don't look forward for the days passing too quickly but my God I can't wait for July 29th:D

[msfooter]

What is GWX and where did you get it?

Google has the answer,

[marowe4]

They shouldn't be bothering you anymore now that the free period is over. It stopped popping up on my computer at least.

[rubicon]

an upgrade to Win 10 was scheduled for Aug 2. So is it safe for me to uninstall never windows 10?

[Mikeod]

an upgrade to Win 10 was scheduled for Aug 2. So is it safe for me to uninstall never windows 10?
Microsoft has said they are removing the nag pop-up from computers running Win7 or 8.1, but it will take some time. Anyway, since the period for free upgrade to Win10 has passed, it would seem you can uninstall that program.

[Wayne Sallee]

It would not hurt to leave it installed a little longer till it's for sure that it won't upgrade.
Windows 10 free upgrade is still available using Windows 7 and 8 product keys | ZDNet (http://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-10-free-upgrade-is-still-available-using-windows-7-and-8-product-keys)

Since the above link shows that people are still able to get free upgrades, it would be good to give time for Microsoft updates to clear everything out for sure.

Wayne Sallee
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[Mikeod]

It would not hurt to leave it installed a little longer till it's for sure that it won't upgrade.
Windows 10 free upgrade is still available using Windows 7 and 8 product keys | ZDNet (http://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-10-free-upgrade-is-still-available-using-windows-7-and-8-product-keys)

Since the above link shows that people are still able to get free upgrades, it would be good to give time for Microsoft updates to clear everything out for sure.

Wayne Sallee
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I suspect there's a difference between someone actively seeking an upgrade to Win10 as mentioned in your link, and someone trying to prevent an unwanted upgrade. From an article in PCWorld, I understood Win10 will not self install after 7/29 and the nag screen will disappear. But I agree there is certainly no harm in keeping that program active for a while just to make sure.

[Barefoot]

I downloaded "free" Windows 10 last week. I'm sorry I downloaded it. :Screen_of_Death:

[rubicon]

Thank you Mikeod and Wayne Sallee. Its tough being computer illiterate in today's world of technology. I know enough to get myself in trouble but not enough to get out of it.

[Wayne Sallee]

I suspect there's a difference between someone actively seeking an upgrade to Win10 as mentioned in your link, and someone trying to prevent an unwanted upgrade. From an article in PCWorld, I understood Win10 will not self install after 7/29 and the nag screen will disappear. But I agree there is certainly no harm in keeping that program active for a while just to make sure.

Yes there is a difference, but it shows how it takes Microsoft a while to get everything changed over.

Giving a little extra time to make sure everything is changed over is a good idea, giving time for microsoft to work all the bugs out.

Wayne Sallee
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[Wayne Sallee]

Thank you Mikeod and Wayne Sallee. Its tough being computer illiterate in today's world of technology. I know enough to get myself in trouble but not enough to get out of it.

That's how you learn. :p

You mess it up, and then say "So that's what happens when you do that". :)


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[rubicon]

That's how you learn. :p

You mess it up, and then say "So that's what happens when you do that". :)


Wayne Sallee
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My often spoke comments is "it can do that" ör where "did it go, I didn't touch anything":D