Kiss our water goodbye

[Warren Kiefer]

Apparently even though I have heard nothing but opposition to allowing a bottling company to bottle and sell our spring water, the Southwest Water management district plans to approve the permit request. How is it that we are placed on water restrictions and then the SWMD decides to let Azure pump between 500,000 and 1,000,000 gallons of spring water yearly from Sumter County ?? And to give that company a 20 year contract !!!

[Rango]

Don't worry, if we run out of water, you can buy it bottled.

[pauld315]

What are the current water restrictions in Sumter County ?

[CWGUY]

Apparently even though I have heard nothing but opposition to allowing a bottling company to bottle and sell our spring water, the Southwest Water management district plans to approve the permit request. How is it that we are placed on water restrictions and then the SWMD decides to let Azure pump between 500,000 and 1,000,000 gallons of spring water yearly from Sumter County ?? And to give that company a 20 year contract !!!

:oops: Make that DAILY not yearly. :swear:

[JoMar]

What are the current water restrictions in Sumter County ?

None that I know of.

[HimandMe]

What are the current water restrictions in Sumter County ?

We can water only twice a week after midnight on certain defined days and for only so many minutes. Above this we have to pay really hefty prices even when our lawns and garden beds are now dark gold instead of green and in some places turning black. If there is so much water that that number of daily gallons can be pumped away...this is an insult to all of us to pay penalty prices when the grass is dying. Is there something we don't know that makes this acceptable?

[Topspinmo]

Your state, county, and city officials at there finest. Vote them out if you don't like their rulings. Remember they work for us. Send them message

Water is free for city, county's, and states so they can charge us for the use of it. I can see day when on land owner will not own the water beneath their land. Farmers will have to pay for pumping it from there own land, home owners on well water will have to pay for water. Remember your government, local and federal in the business of taxing and taxes will never be enough.

[CWGUY]

Your state, county, and city officials at there finest. Vote them out if you don't like their rulings. Remember they work for us. Send them message

Water is free for city, county's, and states so they can charge us for the use of it. I can see day when on land owner will not own the water beneath their land. Farmers will have to pay for pumping it from there own land, home owners on well water will have to pay for water. Remember your government, local and federal in the business of taxing and taxes will never be enough.

:ohdear: It is the Southwest Florida Water Management District that is approving the permit.

[ColdNoMore]

In the first place, why would you think it is "our" water?

A rudimentary understanding of aquifers, ground water and water tables would show that they can cover vast areas upon which many entities draw from.

In other words, using that same premise the water might "belong" to the people around Gainesville or Orlando. :shrug:

[Warren Kiefer]

what are the current water restrictions in sumter county ?

i cannot recall a summer where i did not have limitations on watering my lawn. I was limited to only two days per week.

[Warren Kiefer]

in the first place, why would you think it is "our" water?

A rudimentary understanding of aquifers, ground water and water tables would show that they can cover vast areas upon which many entities draw from.

In other words, using that same premise the water might "belong" to the people around gainesville or orlando. :shrug:

Apparently you think it is ok to let a bottling company bottle and sell the water from sumter county springs. In no way would i consider florida aquifer water as being a product of say Chicago or New York. What do you think would happen to the Villages if the Florida aquifers dried up. What I see would be a ghost town with homes worth nothing. Could this happen here, for the answer, I suggest you check into the lack of water in Southern California.

[JoMar]

We can water only twice a week after midnight on certain defined days and for only so many minutes. Above this we have to pay really hefty prices even when our lawns and garden beds are now dark gold instead of green and in some places turning black. If there is so much water that that number of daily gallons can be pumped away...this is an insult to all of us to pay penalty prices when the grass is dying. Is there something we don't know that makes this acceptable?

That's not a county restriction.....our water is supplied by the Central Sumpter Utility District which is one of 4 utility companies that serve TV. While there has been numerous discussions on if the water is expensive or not (depends where you came from) there is no way I would let any of my grass or landscaping die because someone stuck a sticker on my irrigation system. I have received letters in past because they claim I was uning too much water when they didn't know what I had planted, how the surrounding environment impacted the viability of the grass and plants, or what I even have. Their decisions is everyone has the same lot and the same landscaping. When the County or State impose restrictions then I will deal with it, or if the CSU agrees to reimburse me for the lost grass and landscaping we can discuss their opinion.

[Warren Kiefer]

:oops: Make that DAILY not yearly. :swear:

Sorry, I meant daily.

[Warren Kiefer]

We can water only twice a week after midnight on certain defined days and for only so many minutes. Above this we have to pay really hefty prices even when our lawns and garden beds are now dark gold instead of green and in some places turning black. If there is so much water that that number of daily gallons can be pumped away...this is an insult to all of us to pay penalty prices when the grass is dying. Is there something we don't know that makes this acceptable?

Thank you for helping me try to explain the restrictions to another poster. I live on a corner lot and usually my gallons used are subjected to the tier three water rates. My water bill (only water) at one point was slightly over $200 for a month usage.

[Warren Kiefer]

Your state, county, and city officials at there finest. Vote them out if you don't like their rulings. Remember they work for us. Send them message

Water is free for city, county's, and states so they can charge us for the use of it. I can see day when on land owner will not own the water beneath their land. Farmers will have to pay for pumping it from there own land, home owners on well water will have to pay for water. Remember your government, local and federal in the business of taxing and taxes will never be enough.

Great idea !!!!

[ColdNoMore]

Apparently you think it is ok to let a bottling company bottle and sell the water from sumter county springs. In no way would i consider florida aquifer water as being a product of say Chicago or New York.

Nope, you're wrong.

It doesn't 'belong' to Chicago/New York, any more than it 'belongs' to The Villages/Sumter County.

Any more than oil from Texas, belongs just to Texas.

Or coal from the Appalachian region belongs to West Virginia.

It ALL belongs to the United States of America and to be governed/utilized/sold/rented as local entities see fit. But that certainly doesn't mean it has to stay in 'one region.'

And I guess you missed my point of how aquifers/ground tables actually exist and their sizes.



What do you think would happen to the Villages if the Florida aquifers dried up. What I see would be a ghost town with homes worth nothing. Could this happen here, for the answer, I suggest you check into the lack of water in Southern California.
Apples and rocks.

California depends on their water from rain & snow run-off, ours comes from being so low above sea level and having a high water table.

While both, of course, have to have precipitation from above to be viable.

And also, of course there are those who think that something is 'theirs' and don't believe that anyone else should have a right to it...even though the local government/companies prosper from harvesting those resources and selling them on the open market.

It's called capitalism.

I get your fear that what you think is yours might be going somewhere else, but let's say oil/natural gas producing states felt the same way and didn't want it going outside of their own region.

Exactly where in Florida do you think you will find enough crude oil/natural gas to fill the void, when those states that have it do what you're advocating (hoarding) we do with this water?

Unless you've figured out how to make water burn in internal combustion engines...methinks we're gonna get the shorter end of the stick.

[rubicon]

Water is a public resource and should not be privatized. The Utility Companies have made a decision where they have no standing.

Utility companies should operate such that they are reimbursed for the costs to get water to consumers beyond that point perhaps setting aside reserves for emergency contingencies.

This is the second water bottling company to be given access to our water supply.

The entire issue is exacerbated because this utility charges based on a three tier system. They go to the trouble to determine what the average usage ought to be for a consumer and if that consumer uses more than that determined amount they let you know. I know some will say its a friendly reminder and a reminder that perhaps you have a leak or something that accounts for the increase. However, I view it differently and I wonder when the day will come when they no longer warn but demand. Perhaps with the advent installation of wireless (smart) meters .

Now add to all of this the fact that development continues at rapid pace without consideration of the impact such development has on our community and you have a recipe called cronyism. and they know no one will opposed them so they do because they can

Personal Best Regards:

[graciegirl]

Water is a public resource and should not be privatized. The Utility Companies have made a decision where they have no standing.

Utility companies should operate such that they are reimbursed for the costs to get water to consumers beyond that point perhaps setting aside reserves for emergency contingencies.

This is the second water bottling company to be given access to our water supply.

The entire issue is exacerbated because this utility charges based on a three tier system. They go to the trouble to determine what the average usage ought to be for a consumer and if that consumer uses more than that determined amount they let you know. I know some will say its a friendly reminder and a reminder that perhaps you have a leak or something that accounts for the increase. However, I view it differently and I wonder when the day will come when they no longer warn but demand. Perhaps with the advent installation of wireless (smart) meters .

Now add to all of this the fact that development continues at rapid pace without consideration of the impact such development has on our community and you have a recipe called cronyism. and they know no one will opposed them so they do because they can

Personal Best Regards:

Whether or not the development here by The Villages continues, development here and around here WILL continue by someone else. Florida is now the third most populous state in the union. People are moving to Florida in droves, and are moving here for all of the reasons we did. List of U.S. states and territories by population - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_population)

If in fact the St.John's River Authority limits us in our watering, then this is mightily suspect. Either we have enough water or we don't. Either there is a ecological issue or there isn't. If "they" can levy fines to the CDD because of tree cutting, "they" should be able to stop unnecessary water leaving town.

I am confused.

[EnglishJW]

For starters, many of the points raised here seem - to me - to be very personal and somewhat selfish. Secondly, there are indeed water supplies that are owned by cities/states. Massive reservoirs in upstate New York for New York City being a prime example. Ultimately, I don't believe that we Villagers have any possibility of claiming any increased use of water is a threat while our development (TV) continues to grow at such a rapid pace. No more for anyone else but we want more for us?

[outlaw]

Thank you for helping me try to explain the restrictions to another poster. I live on a corner lot and usually my gallons used are subjected to the tier three water rates. My water bill (only water) at one point was slightly over $200 for a month usage.

Don't take this the wrong way, but.....how can you justify wasting that much water! Please get your house in order before you claim the high moral ground. If you need that much water for your lot, you need to change your lot to a zero scape lot. TV allows this type of landscaping, and even encourages it. Do something where you can make a difference and set an example for your neighbors.

[Warren Kiefer]

For starters, many of the points raised here seem - to me - to be very personal and somewhat selfish. Secondly, there are indeed water supplies that are owned by cities/states. Massive reservoirs in upstate New York for New York City being a prime example. Ultimately, I don't believe that we Villagers have any possibility of claiming any increased use of water is a threat while our development (TV) continues to grow at such a rapid pace. No more for anyone else but we want more for us?

It is my understanding that the Villages has requested to be allowed to double their water allotment.

[graciegirl]

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[justjim]

I recently received one of those "nice" letters from the VCCD regarding my water use the previous period. It is an understatement to say it was very expensive to keep my new landscaping alive when we received little rain during that period of time.

I know there is a difference between the water that went on my landscape and what we use to shower and drink. Still, 500,000 gallons a day going to bottled water is rather disturbing to me. My water useage this month will be near normal and within VCDD guidelines.

[graciegirl]

I recently received one of those "nice" letters from the VCCD regarding my water use the previous period. It is an understatement to say it was very expensive to keep my new landscaping alive when we received little rain during that period of time.

I know there is a difference between the water that went on my landscape and what we use to shower and drink. Still, 500,000 gallons a day going to bottled water is rather disturbing to me. My water useage this month will be near normal and within VCDD guidelines.

They came to our home and knocked on our door and very politely told us we had a leak, and we did. Underground a pipe was leaking a lot of water and money. TandD fixed it the same day.

[manaboutown]

This must be all about the money. Not only profits for the enterprise but taxes in various forms going to governmental entities. Otherwise why would this be allowed in an area where residents are under water restrictions?

[ColdNoMore]

For starters, many of the points raised here seem - to me - to be very personal and somewhat selfish. Secondly, there are indeed water supplies that are owned by cities/states. Massive reservoirs in upstate New York for New York City being a prime example. Ultimately, I don't believe that we Villagers have any possibility of claiming any increased use of water is a threat while our development (TV) continues to grow at such a rapid pace. No more for anyone else but we want more for us?

A voice of reason.

:BigApplause:.....:BigApplause:.....:BigApplause:

[blueash]

According to the Village Community Dev District website, section on high usage notification, the average 2 person home in the villages uses about 10,000 gallons of water per month
Village Community Development Districts (http://www.districtgov.org/departments/utilities/high_usage.aspx)
Which converts to about 300 gallons per day per household. So when the developer adds 3000 households in Feeney that will use 1 million gallons a day of new water. This is on top of the expansions south of 466A which are ongoing..

I only post this to point out that the Water district would be hard pressed to refuse to allow a 1/2 million gallon per day extraction unless they are also prepared to deny permits for new developments by the Morse family and other developers. Water is water and the ongoing residential and commercial growth is having a far greater potential impact on the aquifer than will the lease approved this week.

[pauld315]

According to the Village Community Dev District website, section on high usage notification, the average 2 person home in the villages uses about 10,000 gallons of water per month
Village Community Development Districts (http://www.districtgov.org/departments/utilities/high_usage.aspx)
Which converts to about 300 gallons per day per household. So when the developer adds 3000 households in Feeney that will use 1 million gallons a day of new water. This is on top of the expansions south of 466A which are ongoing..

I only post this to point out that the Water district would be hard pressed to refuse to allow a 1/2 million gallon per day extraction unless they are also prepared to deny permits for new developments by the Morse family and other developers. Water is water and the ongoing residential and commercial growth is having a far greater potential impact on the aquifer than will the lease approved this week.

Why is it so high ? My wife and I use under 4000 gallons a month in hot NC. 10000 gallons a month here would cost about 165 a month. I have rain barrels that I bought from the town attached to my gutter system. i use that water to water my plants instead of using our sprinkler system.

[rubicon]

Whether or not the development here by The Villages continues, development here and around here WILL continue by someone else. Florida is now the third most populous state in the union. People are moving to Florida in droves, and are moving here for all of the reasons we did. List of U.S. states and territories by population - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_population)

If in fact the St.John's River Authority limits us in our watering, then this is mightily suspect. Either we have enough water or we don't. Either there is a ecological issue or there isn't. If "they" can levy fines to the CDD because of tree cutting, "they" should be able to stop unnecessary water leaving town.

I am confused.

GG: If you recall their was a bill on the ballot in 2010 asking that people have more say in future development . developers and realtors fought that bill and won.

You make my argument when you state that people are moving here to Florida from all over. that's the point the impact on the environment is going to be devastating

[rubicon]

For starters, many of the points raised here seem - to me - to be very personal and somewhat selfish. Secondly, there are indeed water supplies that are owned by cities/states. Massive reservoirs in upstate New York for New York City being a prime example. Ultimately, I don't believe that we Villagers have any possibility of claiming any increased use of water is a threat while our development (TV) continues to grow at such a rapid pace. No more for anyone else but we want more for us?

Really? I respectfully disagree...cities and states may make claim but it doesn't make it right or legal. Well they rubber stamp it all to make it legal. When the west was being settled big ranchers made claim to water sources belonging to them and them alone and water barons thought what a great idea and adopted that clever move as the years progressed

Water is a public resource.. but that is really a subject that will take more time than allowed here.

If The Villages has "no possibility of claiming any increase use of water as a threat while our development continues..."then pray tell why do we have a three tier system? If water is that plentiful then why are people penalized for using more? and if your right then the three tier system really amounts to only greed by people you believe can claim water rights

The real problem here is that there is not one person, one organization consumers can approach that can successfully beat back these water barons and the sycophants that hang with them so consumers eventually submit and just blink and deflate

Personal Best Regards:

[banjobob]

I disagree with granting the pumping that amount of water from the aquifer but wonder what the total amount of water in that aquifer is Is the amount being withdrawn significant to affect the total. Also those that live in the area really need to become proactive with their elected officials and phone write or visit them to voice their concerns.

[biker1]

The cost of 10000 gallons of water in The Villages varies by where you live and whether it is potable or irrigation water (for those farther south in The Villages). 10000 gallons of irrigation water in my CDD would run about $26. 10000 gallons of potable water would run about $35 plus $50 for sewer (you pay twice for potable water since the assumption is it goes down the drains and must be treated). Irrigation water is reclaimed water.

Why is it so high ? My wife and I use under 4000 gallons a month in hot NC. 10000 gallons a month here would cost about 165 a month. I have rain barrels that I bought from the town attached to my gutter system. i use that water to water my plants instead of using our sprinkler system.

[Happy Gardener]

Although SWFWMD has approved a permit for SWR Properties of Ocala to pump 496,000 gallons of water a day for 20 years and ship it to Leesburg for bottling, Sumter County Board of Commissioners controls zoning in Sumter County. Besides sinking a 10-inch-wide well, SWR Properties plans to build a pumping station, driveway and modular office building on its property. located just east of the intersection of U.S. Highway 301 and County Road 470. Eighty 6,200-gallon trucks per day on average and 144 trucks in a peak month would carry the water to Azure Bottling Co in Leesburg. Sumter County Board of Commissioners will meet JUNE 28TH, 5:00 PM at Colony Cottage Rec Center on hwy 466-A in The Villages.

[debow]

Sorry, I meant daily.

500,000 gallons per day equates to 2,000,000 16 ounce bottles per day. Some one is making a great deal on money at the expense of our most precious natural resource. Shame on those state officials.

[blueash]

500,000 gallons per day equates to 2,000,000 16 ounce bottles per day. Some one is making a great deal on money at the expense of our most precious natural resource. Shame on those state officials.

4,000,000

[debow]

4,000,000

You're correct and I'm a retired engineer. LOL.

[stujake]

The amounts you state are daily, not annually. The potential problem is much greater than you can imagine. Think potential for sinkholes caused by accelerated water movement below ground.

[maddie101]

PROTECT OUR WATER
******* CALL T0 ACTION*******

As you know, Protect our Water has been working to prevent approval of a permit to withdraw almost a half million gallons of water a day, for the next 20 years, from the upper Floridan Aquifer. The purpose of the permit request is to drill a well, pump the water, and then sell the water back to the public.

We were notified on June 8th 2016, after the fact, that Southwest Florida Water Management District (SWFWMD) approved this permit request.

Because the location of the proposed pumping station is in Sumter County (approximately 7 miles from The Villages), the Sumter County Board of County Commissioners and various County offices, also have a role to play. New zoning requests as well as building permits will be presented to the county for approval. They can vote to deny these permits.

Many of you have submitted letters to SWFWMD stating your concerns, have signed petitions, attended meetings to learn more about the implications of the permit and indicated your desire to become more involved.
NOW IS THE TIME!

THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS WILL MEET JUNE 28TH, 5:00 PM AT COLONY COTTAGE RECREATION CENTER.
ATTENDEES WILL BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THE BOARD ABOUT THIS ISSUE DURING THE COMMENT PHASE OF THE MEETING.

Please join us there. Come early to assure seating. If you would like to speak briefly, say for about 2 minutes, bring a copy of your comments to give to the press, who will be in attendance. But it certainly isn’t necessary that you speak. Your presence will be your voice. Either way, it’s important we continue to make our opposition known.

Questions? Email ProtectOurWaterFlorida@gmail.com or visit Protect Our Water - Koller 2016 (http://koller2016.com/protect-our-water) . See you June 28th!
Copyright © 2016 Protect Our Water, All rights reserved.

Our mailing address is:
P.O. Box 3683
Ocala, FL 34478

Background

The Spring Water Resources of Ocala is the company that has filed a permit application with the state Water Use Permit Bureau to pump water from Fern Spring and an unnamed spring east of CR 470 and north of U.S. 301 in Sumter County. The water would be sold to Azure Water of Leesburg, whose clients include Consolidated Water Group, Publix, Niagara Bottling Co., DS Water and Nestle Water. It has potential effect to our homes in The Villages ( water table, sink holes, etc). A pumping station, loading driveway and office building would be built on the 10.5-acre property, which is owned by Spring Water Resources.

On an average day, the well operation would operate 13.3 hours, filling 80 trucks with 6,200 gallons each. But during peak months, the well would operate 24 hours a day, pumping 892,000 gallons a day and filling 144 trucks, according to permit application documents.

[manaboutown]

That is a lot of truck traffic both fouling the air and ruining the pavement because large loaded water trucks are heavy.

[rubicon]

Voters had a legal opportunity in 2010 to vote to have some say in such things but passed up the opportunity. Florida does have a sunshine law. However pols get around that puppy by having the meeting and than the MEETING. I suspect Florida reps showing up at Colony will display empathy, concern, understanding and then move forward with plans to expand Azure capacity to draw even more water. Paint me jaded but when it comes to gov't want supercedes right

[Leone Gentner]

Go to ProtectOurWaterFlorida@gmail.com for information about the movement to fight the sale of our water. The Sumter County Board of County Commissioners meet @5:00 PM June 28th at Colony Cottage Recreation Center. Come join us there to voice your concerns. In any case your presence will be your voice. The press will be in attendance, so a large turnout will speak volumes.

[justjim]

Let's face the fact that Florida is definitely "pro business" and from all view points it's safe to say the majority of residents agree. Look who was elected Governor and look at the Legislature. Approval of this bottled water business venture is not a surprise.

Will this approval cause more sinkholes or will we run out of water in The Villages? That is what we elect our Officials to decide. I believe a couple of the Sumter County commissioners live in The Villages. We will see if this project is permitted.

[Warren Kiefer]

Don't take this the wrong way, but.....how can you justify wasting that much water! Please get your house in order before you claim the high moral ground. If you need that much water for your lot, you need to change your lot to a zero scape lot. TV allows this type of landscaping, and even encourages it. Do something where you can make a difference and set an example for your neighbors.

I expected an objection of some type. I usually respond when I get parented. My home came with 42 sprinkler heads, we cannot go to "zero scape" landscaping, we are required to maintain a certain percentage of grass. 4/9ths of my required lawn maintenance actually is not owned by me, the 4/9ths is the setback and right of way that I am required to water. I once got a notification that my lawn was not in acceptable condition and needed attention. The attention was water !!! My house is in wonderful condition.

[Warren Kiefer]

I disagree with granting the pumping that amount of water from the aquifer but wonder what the total amount of water in that aquifer is Is the amount being withdrawn significant to affect the total. Also those that live in the area really need to become proactive with their elected officials and phone write or visit them to voice their concerns.

If the available amount of water is unlimited and it has been determined that this company taking up to a million gallon per day will not affect the supply, why are we usually on a water usage restriction ??? I agree that far too many times elected officials seem to forget who they actually represent.

[stadalberts]

Apparently even though I have heard nothing but opposition to allowing a bottling company to bottle and sell our spring water, the Southwest Water management district plans to approve the permit request. How is it that we are placed on water restrictions and then the SWMD decides to let Azure pump between 500,000 and 1,000,000 gallons of spring water yearly from Sumter County ?? And to give that company a 20 year contract !!!

Let's face it, SOMEONE SOMEWHERE is going to make a Sh** load of $$$$$ over this situation. THAT'S why it will go through.

[JoMar]

If the available amount of water is unlimited and it has been determined that this company taking up to a million gallon per day will not affect the supply, why are we usually on a water usage restriction ??? I agree that far too many times elected officials seem to forget who they actually represent.

Where do you live, our neighborhood isn't on any restrictions nor do I believe any communities that surround TV are on any restrictions.

[Average Guy]

Where do you live, our neighborhood isn't on any restrictions nor do I believe any communities that surround TV are on any restrictions.

Sumter County has watering restrictions.

Source:
Watering Restrictions | Sumter County, FL - Official Website (http://sumtercountyfl.gov/428/Watering-Restrictions)


" Watering Restrictions
Water restrictions apply to water supplied by utilities, private wells and surface water sources. Sprinkler
Sumter County is currently following the Southwest Florida Water Management District’s water restrictions.

Lawn Watering Schedule & Times

Lawn watering is limited to twice per week.
Lawn watering days and times are as follows unless your city or county has a different schedule or stricter hours in effect.
Even addresses may water on Thursday and/or Sunday before 10 a.m. or after 4 p.m.
Odd addresses may water on Wednesday and/or Saturday before 10 a.m. or after 4 p.m.
Hand watering and micro-irrigation of plants (other than lawns) can be done on any day and at any time.

New Lawns & Plants

New lawns and plants have a 30-30 establishment period, which allows any-day watering during the first 30 days.
During the second 30 days, watering is allowed 3 days per week: even-numbered addresses may water on Tuesday, Thursday and Sunday; odd-numbered addresses may water Monday, Wednesday and Saturday.

Reclaimed Water
Reclaimed water remains subject to voluntary watering hours, unless blended with another water source or restricted by the local government or utility.

Fountains, Car Washing & Pressure Washing
There are no restrictions on fountains, car washing and pressure washing. However, the district asks that residents be as efficient as possible, such as using a shutoff nozzle on their hose so water isn’t wasted.

If you have additional water restriction questions or wish to report a possible violation, please contact Southwest Florida Water Management District by calling the Water Restrictions Hotline at 800-848-0499 (Florida only) or by email.

Personal assistance is available during business hours; off-hours uses an automated response system."

[rubicon]

Where do you live, our neighborhood isn't on any restrictions nor do I believe any communities that surround TV are on any restrictions.

Either water is plentiful or it is not. So the logical question.... on the one hand we have continual development and Nestle drawing water for the last 4-5 years and now Azure under consideration while on the other hand we have village residents subjected to a three tier rating system based on an arbitrary average usage based on a two person household. We have water monitoring via written notice that one day will turn to be an ultimatum. I have lived in a number of other states and never once has a utility company sent me notice that my usage was above their average. Again an average that is based on a two person household. But there are those household with more than two people or those households that receive a lot of company or own pools or eat home often vis a vis those who eat out a lot, etc etc etc

Believe or not in some places those so called friendly reminders (notices) would be considered a form of harassment. Again a logical progression if there is enough of a concern that a resident is using too much water that it requires the time and expense of a notice then how on God's green earth can you allow bottling companies such liberal access to our water source...water is a public resource and should never be privatized.

[rubicon]

Another thought. It is obvious that officials at this meeting are already aware of every argument residents will advance. I suspect that these officials or those in their employ review social media websites such as this ( stick a wet finger in the air to feel the direction of the wind). So I agree with those who state the number of residents concerned about this issue should show up in force to validate those arguments .

By the way this is the sort of concern I had when the issue came up for Sumter One. I voted against it because it consolidated too much power in one area and eliminated competing voices. I hope it comes up on ballot again in the near future

[FLORIDASUNSHINE]

Follow the money....something doesn't sound right!,,

[outlaw]

I expected an objection of some type. I usually respond when I get parented. My home came with 42 sprinkler heads, we cannot go to "zero scape" landscaping, we are required to maintain a certain percentage of grass. 4/9ths of my required lawn maintenance actually is not owned by me, the 4/9ths is the setback and right of way that I am required to water. I once got a notification that my lawn was not in acceptable condition and needed attention. The attention was water !!! My house is in wonderful condition.

I'm telling you things have changed in TV. You CAN get approval for zero scaping. TV is NOW approving those landscape plans. This type of landscaping IS the future. In fact, there is legislation passed that strongly encourages, supports this type of landscaping against HOA covenants. Do some homework and you will see.

[ColdNoMore]

It's called 'Xeriscape,' not 'zero scape.'


Xeriscaping - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xeriscaping)


Xeriscaping (often incorrectly spelled zero-scaping or xeroscaping) is landscaping and gardening that reduces or eliminates the need for supplemental water from irrigation.

[rubicon]

It's called 'Xeriscape,' not 'zero scape.'


Xeriscaping - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xeriscaping)

Thank you .

Xeriscape zero scape if I wanted to live in Arizona I would have moved there but it was too brown for us and we wanted green.

a poster said "follow the money". I totally agree with this comment "Money corrupts absolutely" and it is getting much too common in our society

[biker1]

Check your plat - I believe you will find that you actually own the property. Just because there is an easement doesn't mean you don't own the property.

I expected an objection of some type. I usually respond when I get parented. My home came with 42 sprinkler heads, we cannot go to "zero scape" landscaping, we are required to maintain a certain percentage of grass. 4/9ths of my required lawn maintenance actually is not owned by me, the 4/9ths is the setback and right of way that I am required to water. I once got a notification that my lawn was not in acceptable condition and needed attention. The attention was water !!! My house is in wonderful condition.

[outlaw]

It's called 'Xeriscape,' not 'zero scape.'


Xeriscaping - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xeriscaping)

Sorry, thanks. I copied it from some ignorant person. I knew that...gulp.

[outlaw]

Thank you .

Xeriscape zero scape if I wanted to live in Arizona I would have moved there but it was too brown for us and we wanted green.

a poster said "follow the money". I totally agree with this comment "Money corrupts absolutely" and it is getting much too common in our society

rubicon,
I have seen two TV lots that have gone near x-scape, and they don't look anywhere near the typical arizona yard. But, if you don't mind the water bill, stick with conventional grass. However, if you live in a "grass" house, don't throw stones. (teehee)

[Warren Kiefer]

I'm telling you things have changed in TV. You CAN get approval for zero scaping. TV is NOW approving those landscape plans. This type of landscaping IS the future. In fact, there is legislation passed that strongly encourages, supports this type of landscaping against HOA covenants. Do some homework and you will see.

Are you going to help me with the $20,000 that it will cost to change my lot to rocks and cactus?

[looneycat]

Nope, you're wrong.

It doesn't 'belong' to Chicago/New York, any more than it 'belongs' to The Villages/Sumter County.

Any more than oil from Texas, belongs just to Texas.

Or coal from the Appalachian region belongs to West Virginia.

It ALL belongs to the United States of America and to be governed/utilized/sold/rented as local entities see fit. But that certainly doesn't mean it has to stay in 'one region.'

And I guess you missed my point of how aquifers/ground tables actually exist and their sizes.



the aquifer is the floridan aquifer which runs under florida, georgia, louisiana, s. carolina and mississippi. it supplies savannah and brunswick georgia as well as jacksonville, orlando, talahassee and st. petersburg. yep sumter is at risk chilout

[janmcn]

Who remembers when The Villages got totally shut down by the courts in the early 2000's due to not enough water to sustain any more building? This was before there was one structure south of SR 466, except for the charter school. The plaintiff's name was Daniel Farnsworth.

[ColdNoMore]

the aquifer is the floridan aquifer which runs under florida, georgia, louisiana, s. carolina and mississippi. it supplies savannah and brunswick georgia as well as jacksonville, orlando, talahassee and st. petersburg. yep sumter is at risk chilout



But, but, but, it is OUR (The Villages) water dammit! :rant-rave:

[outlaw]

Are you going to help me with the $20,000 that it will cost to change my lot to rocks and cactus?

No rocks, no cacti. It would be much less than 20,000 retail bottles of water. And hey, who said environmentalism is cheap(see solar and wind electric power). You save the world, one dollar at a time. I'm a little surprised you are somewhat in the dark regarding drought tolerant landscapes, and yet so dedicated to protecting our water supply. Seems a little inconsistent. Are you anti business, or what? Tell us how you feel about TV growing by another 7,000? homes in the next 2 years (Fruitland and Finney).

[rubicon]

As you may recall bisphenol-A (BPA) the product that gives softness to plastic water bottles was found to be harmful. So manufacturers claimed they eliminated it but the truth is they still use bishenol only this type is bishenol-S BPA vis a vis BPS.

Two arguments against bottling water can be BPA/BPS and the plastic bottles that litter our streets and are found on shorelines.
Those two issues can be additional arguments for the June 28th meeting

I am not inclined toward the radical green agenda but I do care about our nations health and the health of our lakes streams rivers, the look of our cities, etc

Personal Best Regards:

[rubicon]

rubicon,
I have seen two TV lots that have gone near x-scape, and they don't look anywhere near the typical arizona yard. But, if you don't mind the water bill, stick with conventional grass. However, if you live in a "grass" house, don't throw stones. (teehee)

Its not the water bill I mind its the audacity of the utility company to subject me to a three tier usage system when they are so generous with our water supply to accommodate Nestle and Azure and to allow continuation of development of this area on the backs of consumers and without regard to its environmental impact.

As to x-scape it would appear if watering is a concern one would be better to simply concrete the entire plot its less costly and less to maintain. and if the water barons are so concerned then why don't they provide grants to consumers to x-scape? why are they pushing consumers to x-scape when they continue to up the usage with development etc.. see the whole things gets silly because water barons want to get rich off water which is a public resource

[outlaw]

Its not the water bill I mind its the audacity of the utility company to subject me to a three tier usage system when they are so generous with our water supply to accommodate Nestle and Azure and to allow continuation of development of this area on the backs of consumers and without regard to its environmental impact.

As to x-scape it would appear if watering is a concern one would be better to simply concrete the entire plot its less costly and less to maintain. and if the water barons are so concerned then why don't they provide grants to consumers to x-scape? why are they pushing consumers to x-scape when they continue to up the usage with development etc.. see the whole things gets silly because water barons want to get rich off water which is a public resource

Now you're starting to sound like a progressive.:smiley: Concrete is not a realistic solution; drainage issues, cost, etc. But you know that. The public is going to drink the bottled water. Do you have the same feelings towards oil barons getting rich off of oil; do you consider oil a public resource? It sounds like you don't even want to consider anything but 'lush green grass'. Ok. Just realize there are some very good alternatives other than rocks, dirt or "concrete". And if you really don't like the tiered water usage behavior modification policy favored by our benevolent government, you do have an alternative, and it has the side benefits of saving money, saving water, saving mowing/fertilization/pest control costs, and "saving the planet".

[Gerald]

Taking large amounts of water out in our area causes sink holes. But profit and greed does not care what happens to people. I have not heard of any person complaining to the correct people. Don't hear from the morse family on this either.

[outlaw]

Did any of you people that are so worried about ?your? water, or the over development, really care when you decided to move here and buy one of these houses? Hey, I get it. Now that we are here, it's time to stop development. And we have to protect "our" water, except we want the pretty green lawn and all those 620 holes of green manicured golf courses and beautiful green thirsty miles of landscape lining our main streets that require massive amounts of water. And we still want our bottled water when...we want it! Oh yeah! And we need MORE holes of golf; there will never be enough holes of golf! It is a little bit hypocritical.

[rubicon]

Now you're starting to sound like a progressive.:smiley: Concrete is not a realistic solution; drainage issues, cost, etc. But you know that. The public is going to drink the bottled water. Do you have the same feelings towards oil barons getting rich off of oil; do you consider oil a public resource? It sounds like you don't even want to consider anything but 'lush green grass'. Ok. Just realize there are some very good alternatives other than rocks, dirt or "concrete". And if you really don't like the tiered water usage behavior modification policy favored by our benevolent government, you do have an alternative, and it has the side benefits of saving money, saving water, saving mowing/fertilization/pest control costs, and "saving the planet".

outlaw: concrete x-scape peanut butter is not the issue the issue is one of hypocrisy committed by these water barons who on the one hand price gouge consumers and on the other profit further by providing special favors because they claim control of a public resource . And yes I feel the same way about oil barons. My cousin lived in Anchorage for many years and boasted about the oil refund sent to him annually. My compliments to Alaska The same goes for the Bureau of Land Management that confiscated acres upon acres of land out west from ranchers whose forefathers had worked the land for 100-150 years.

When it comes to such things conservative or progressive should not be the focus. The focus should be "the people"v big greedy corrupt government and that includes utility bureaucrats .

Simply stated I am sick of corrupt politicians, bureaucrats (public or private), unions , financial institutions or any other organization that corrupts this Republic. I'll get off my soap box now

[biker1]

Not exactly true. In the southern part of The Villages a lot (most, all??) of the irrigation water is recycled. Also, many (most ?) people are over watering. We average about 50 inches of rain a year. Except for extended periods of no rain, this is enough for established lawns and landscaping. Many folks have rain sensors on their irrigation systems. Many folks can also turn off their irrigation system for much of the year.

Did any of you people that are so worried about ?your? water, or the over development, really care when you decided to move here and buy one of these houses? Hey, I get it. Now that we are here, it's time to stop development. And we have to protect "our" water, except we want the pretty green lawn and all those 620 holes of green manicured golf courses and beautiful green thirsty miles of landscape lining our main streets that require massive amounts of water. And we still want our bottled water when...we want it! Oh yeah! And we need MORE holes of golf; there will never be enough holes of golf! It is a little bit hypocritical.

[rubicon]

Taking large amounts of water out in our area causes sink holes. But profit and greed does not care what happens to people. I have not heard of any person complaining to the correct people. Don't hear from the morse family on this either.

At least one VHA past president was appointed to the Board of Southwest Water District. One VHA past president was appointed to the Villages Hospital /Health and went on to become one of the 5 Sumter County commissioners aka Sumter One
One could speculate but to what avail

[outlaw]

outlaw: concrete x-scape peanut butter is not the issue the issue is one of hypocrisy committed by these water barons who on the one hand price gouge consumers and on the other profit further by providing special favors because they claim control of a public resource . And yes I feel the same way about oil barons. My cousin lived in Anchorage for many years and boasted about the oil refund sent to him annually. My compliments to Alaska The same goes for the Bureau of Land Management that confiscated acres upon acres of land out west from ranchers whose forefathers had worked the land for 100-150 years.

When it comes to such things conservative or progressive should not be the focus. The focus should be "the people"v big greedy corrupt government and that includes utility bureaucrats .

Simply stated I am sick of corrupt politicians, bureaucrats (public or private), unions , financial institutions or any other organization that corrupts this Republic. I'll get off my soap box now

On this, we agree.

[rubicon]

Did any of you people that are so worried about ?your? water, or the over development, really care when you decided to move here and buy one of these houses? Hey, I get it. Now that we are here, it's time to stop development. And we have to protect "our" water, except we want the pretty green lawn and all those 620 holes of green manicured golf courses and beautiful green thirsty miles of landscape lining our main streets that require massive amounts of water. And we still want our bottled water when...we want it! Oh yeah! And we need MORE holes of golf; there will never be enough holes of golf! It is a little bit hypocritical.

Outlaw: You make my argument. If developers, politicians, etc ( ie community leaders) were responsible leaders, people opting to move to Florida would not be allowed to once it was determined that such growth was negative growth when it came to the environmental impact on such further development.

You have it backward. Do you recall back when Oregon told people yes come to visit but after your visit GO HOME! You would suggest the onus lies with people who want to move to Florida but there is no such obligation on their part. If water, etc is in shortage then its up to the governor, mayors ,county commissioners etc to stop accepting new residents ( ie issue a temporary moratorium.

The sin of commission or omission rests with them not people wanting to move into the state

Personal Best Regards:

[Tbare123]

and will this have any effect on increasing the amount of sink holes when more water is pumped out of the ground?

[gap2415]

Not exactly true. In the southern part of The Villages a lot (most, all??) of the irrigation water is recycled. Also, many (most ?) people are over watering. We average about 50 inches of rain a year. Except for extended periods of no rain, this is enough for established lawns and landscaping. Many folks have rain sensors on their irrigation systems. Many folks can also turn off their irrigation system for much of the year.

In the new sections, sod is placed on ground resembling the desert, no topsoil. Until a couple of years pass and grass cutting over and over to provide some good soil, it's difficult to keep grass green without lots of water, recycled or not, and fertilizing. Some would like to have the option when closing to have almost no grass to maintain and have good looking area similar to those seen in some of the villas. To my understanding, that is not only not an option but an owner cannot do it as a good percentage must be left green. I have heard from an earlier post this may be changed but if so, it's certainly not common knowledge. I also remember various posts putting owners down who let their lawns get a little brown in spots as they were eyesores to their neighbors.
We lived in S Florida in a real drought area and were limited to watering twice a week but never limited to only so many minutes twice a week and penalized with high charges if we went over.
If we have to have our lawns green due to standards and not allowed enough water to do so, it seems outrageous to be charged more to do so without an clear option to do something else which must be addressed openly and widely as most only know what they have been told. On top of that there is the selling of "plenteous" water. The solution is change, calling attention to this and getting voices heard which is what this post is about.

[biker1]

Notice I said "established". After 2 years or so, the need to pour a lot of water on the lawn goes away as 50 inches of rain is generally sufficient. I have lived in the south for over 20 years and mostly had my irrigation system turned off.

In the new sections, sod is placed on ground resembling the desert, no topsoil. Until a couple of years pass and grass cutting over and over to provide some good soil, it's difficult to keep grass green without lots of water, recycled or not, and fertilizing. Some would like to have the option when closing to have almost no grass to maintain and have good looking area similar to those seen in some of the villas. To my understanding, that is not only not an option but an owner cannot do it as a good percentage must be left green. I also remember various posts putting owners down who let their lawns get a little brown in spots as they were eyesores to their neighbors.
We lived in S Florida in a real drought area and were limited to watering twice a week but never limited to only so many minutes twice a week and penalized with high charges if we went over.
If we have to have our lawns green due to standards and not allowed enough water to do so, it seems outrageous to be charged more to do so without an option to do something else. On top of that there is the selling of "plenteous" water. The solution is change, calling attention to this and getting voices heard which is what this post is about.