Omar Marteen, the Orlando mass shooter......

[kcrazorbackfan]

.......is the very reason I carry a concealed weapon. Praying for the victims and families; may Omar Marteen burn in hell.

[graciegirl]

.......is the very reason I carry a concealed weapon. Praying for the victims and families; may Omar Marteen burn in hell.

Fifty people lost their lives due to one person filled with hatred. There are no words for how terrible that is.

Any religion that kills people is not connected to the God I know.

I think his name is Muhammed Omar Mateen.

[manaboutown]

Omar Mir Seddique Mateen

[spring_chicken]

You are not allowed to conceal carry (even with a permit)in any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to such purpose;

Also, patrons are searched before entering the bar, so you wouldn't get past the front door with it unless you went in at 2 am when most people are leaving. The shooter also knew that.

[graciegirl]

Omar Mir Seddique Mateen

That name had 7000 followers on Facebook. Scary.

I think that name is the suspects father.

[Taltarzac725]

What We Know About Omar Mateen, Suspected Orlando Nightclub Shooter - ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/US/omar-mateen-suspected-orlando-night-club-shooter/story?id=39790797)

Some information about this %$^%* *&^%$ *%%###

*$#@@#!!!!

[Sandtrap328]

...and was a US citizen - born in New York City and living in Port St. Lucie, Florida.

Reported on television that his father said the man had become extremely angry a few weeks ago about seeing two men kissing in Miami.

His ex-wife said he was a very unstable person and would beat her for not having daily chores done. Yet, he was employed as an armed security guard and allowed to have gun licenses? Something not right about that, is there?

The Pulse is a nightclub frequented by the LGBT community.

[Carl in Tampa]

You are not allowed to conceal carry (even with a permit)in any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to such purpose;

Also, patrons are searched before entering the bar, so you wouldn't get past the front door with it unless you went in at 2 am when most people are leaving. The shooter also knew that.


Interestingly, the prohibition against concealed carry in an alcohol dispensing establishment does not apply to current and qualified retired law enforcement officers who are carrying under the provisions of the federal Law Enforcement Officer's Safety Act (LEOSA). There are several hundred qualified carriers in The Villages.

Unfortunately, the owner of the business has the authority to exclude them, and many do. File that under "Stupid."

:cus:

[Jima64]

...and was a US citizen - born in New York City and living in Port St. Lucie, Florida.

Reported on television that his father said the man had become extremely angry a few weeks ago about seeing two men kissing in Miami.

His ex-wife said he was a very unstable person and would beat her for not having daily chores done. Yet, he was employed as an armed security guard and allowed to have gun licenses? Something not right about that, is there?

The Pulse is a nightclub frequented by the LGBT community.
bad guys rarely follow the rules and it is to their advantage. Hundreds of unarmed victims. something not right in how we defend or are not allowed to defend ourselves.

[kcrazorbackfan]

Word is he called 911 before his and pledged support to ISIS.

[manaboutown]

ISIS called for attacks in the US during Ramadan.

[manaboutown]

Interestingly, the prohibition against concealed carry in an alcohol dispensing establishment does not apply to current and qualified retired law enforcement officers who are carrying under the provisions of the federal Law Enforcement Officer's Safety Act (LEOSA). There are several hundred qualified carriers in The Villages.

Unfortunately, the owner of the business has the authority to exclude them, and many do. File that under "Stupid."

:cus:

For quite a while (in California) I used to hang out with a retired LA County deputy sheriff. He ALWAYS carried, everywhere, as did his LEO friends. When I was getting to know him he explained that he had arrested many violent felons who went to prison and who had vowed to kill him so he was always alert to one of them turning up to hurt or kill him. Smart man!

[graciegirl]

Orlando shooting suspect's father hosted a political TV show and even tried to run for the Afghan presidency (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/breakingnews/orlando-shooting-suspects-father-hosted-a-political-tv-show-and-even-tried-to-run-for-the-afghan-presidency/ar-AAgX4zh?ocid=spartandhp)

[Sandtrap328]

bad guys rarely follow the rules and it is to their advantage. Hundreds of unarmed victims. something not right in how we defend or are not allowed to defend ourselves.

Oh come on!

You would be in favor of allowing guns being in nightclubs where drinking takes place among young people?

How about allowing - or actively encouraging - that handguns or rifles of any type be brought into sporting venues such as college and professional football, basketball, or baseball games? After all, some stadiums hold 60,000 or 70,000 people and would make excellent terriost targets.

What could possibly go wrong with armed spectators amped up on beer and testoserone while their team loses - or wins?

[Bogie Shooter]

...and was a US citizen - born in New York City and living in Port St. Lucie, Florida.

Reported on television that his father said the man had become extremely angry a few weeks ago about seeing two men kissing in Miami.

His ex-wife said he was a very unstable person and would beat her for not having daily chores done. Yet, he was employed as an armed security guard and allowed to have gun licenses? Something not right about that, is there?

The Pulse is a nightclub frequented by the LGBT community.

I.e., George Zimmerman.

[kcrazorbackfan]

You are not allowed to conceal carry (even with a permit)in any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to such purpose;

Also, patrons are searched before entering the bar, so you wouldn't get past the front door with it unless you went in at 2 am when most people are leaving. The shooter also knew that.

I never go into any establishment that does not allow conceal carry - never. As long as I am able, I will do everything in my power to not let a person continue in their pursuit to harm, maim or kill people if it happens around me.

[Taltarzac725]

Oh come on!

You would be in favor of allowing guns being in nightclubs where drinking takes place among young people?

How about allowing - or actively encouraging - that handguns or rifles of any type be brought into sporting venues such as college and professional football, basketball, or baseball games? After all, some stadiums hold 60,000 or 70,000 people and would make excellent terriost targets.

What could possibly go wrong with armed spectators amped up on beer and testoserone while their team loses - or wins?

Arm the security guards for more soft targets like the Pulse nightclub as well as some movie theaters.

The stadiums have fairly tight security and are very hard targets.

[kcrazorbackfan]

For quite a while (in California) I used to hang out with a retired LA County deputy sheriff. He ALWAYS carried, everywhere, as did his LEO friends. When I was getting to know him he explained that he had arrested many violent felons who went to prison and who had vowed to kill him so he was always alert to one of them turning up to hurt or kill him. Smart man!

The same with my wife and I........

[graciegirl]

Here is what I think I remember from the reports today;

The shooter's name is Muhammed Omar Mateen. His father,Mir Seddique Mateen, who lives in Dunedin, Florida appears on a television show out of California that supports the Taliban. The shooter has a small son and an estranged wife. She says he beat her. The alleged shooter was investigated by the FBI twice in 2013, and once in 2014 and they did not have enough to charge him with anything. He was a security guard. He made a 911 call before the shooting giving credit to Isis and El bagdaddy (sp) and mentioning the Tsaronov (sp?) who did the Boston Bombings.

I wish they had deported him and his family. But you can't do things like that. All this pain and tragedy would have been averted.

I think it matters less if he had a gun or not. He might have blown himself up, who knows.

[Jima64]

I.e., George Zimmerman.

Don't compare these two.

[manaboutown]

That name had 7000 followers on Facebook. Scary.

I think that name is the suspects father.

From what I can find at this point in time the father's name is Seddique Mateen.

[outlaw]

I.e., George Zimmerman.

smh...

[outlaw]

Fifty people lost their lives due to one person filled with hatred. There are no words for how terrible that is.

Any religion that kills people is not connected to the God I know.

I think his name is Muhammed Omar Mateen.

It's not one person filled with hate. It is a religion that preaches violence and hate. I watched a video (on channel 9?) of a visiting imam talking in Orlando in a very matter of fact tone that it is compassionate to kill homosexuals, that the consequence of homosexuality is death, and there was nothing to be ashamed about that fact. He was scary calm when he said this.

[Sandtrap328]

Here is what I think I remember from the reports today;


I wish they had deported him and his family. But you can't do things like that. All this pain and tragedy would have been averted.

I think it matters less if he had a gun or not. He might have blown himself up, who knows.

Of course, Mateen could not be deported. He was born in New York.

Obviously, the gun issue is a big issue. This was a preplanned attack by him. He bought the pistol and rifle just a few days ago. A several day waiting period with full background check MIGHT have prevented the tragedy. The background check MIGHT have revealed the FBI check as well as the domestic abuse issue. How did he get and keep gun permits with domestic abuse issues and be selected for a job as an armed guard?
High capacity magazines are another issue to think about. The AR-15 style .223 has a 20 round magazine. Taped back to back makes 40 rounds. What civilian needs a 20 round magazine?

Off the soapbox now. Rocky and the Rollers were excellent tonight.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

.......is the very reason I carry a concealed weapon. Praying for the victims and families; may Omar Marteen burn in hell.

These events, including the young man killed in Spanish Springs the other night are what pushed me into finally buying a gun and applying for me CCW permit.

This just makes me think that it can't get here fast enough.

By the way, this incident brought out the fact that ISIS put out a notice a short while ago stating that it was going to target Florida.
They published a list of names that they intended to kill and over 600 of them were in Florida. So if you think that you're in a nice safe bubble, you might want to think again.

Get armed, get trained, carry daily.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I never go into any establishment that does not allow conceal carry - never. As long as I am able, I will do everything in my power to not let a person continue in their pursuit to harm, maim or kill people if it happens around me.

There were 350 people in that nightclub. I wonder if there would have been fewer deaths if half of them were armed? If an establishment doesn't allow concealed carry then it should be mandatory that they have several armed guards. In this case it's Florida law that doesn't allow concealed carry in places that get over 50% of their revenues from alcohol. So if the state doesn't allow me to defend myself, then they should have to supply armed guards to defend me.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Word is he called 911 before his and pledged support to ISIS.

And he was shouting Allahu Akbar as he fired. This was, plain and simple, another ISIS terrorist attack on US citizens.

[ugotme]

[QUOTE=Sandtrap328;1240110]Of course, Mateen could not be deported. He was born in New York.

Obviously, the gun issue is a big issue. This was a preplanned attack by him. He bought the pistol and rifle just a few days ago. A several day waiting period with full background check MIGHT have prevented the tragedy. The background check MIGHT have revealed the FBI check as well as the domestic abuse issue. How did he get and keep gun permits with domestic abuse issues and be selected for a job as an armed guard?
High capacity magazines are another issue to think about. The AR-15 style .223 has a 20 round magazine. Taped back to back makes 40 rounds. What civilian needs a 20 round magazine?

Off the soapbox now. Rocky and the Rollers were excellent tonight.[/Q


Unfortunately you will always blame the gun!
It is the sick, racist, deviant mind of a maniac who killed these people. The gun was a tool - yes! If it was a bomb what would you have banned?

Please - I have owned numerous guns for over 40 years. NEVER even aimed it at someone. I am proficient with it and basically just enjoy shooting. Would I hesitate to defend my family with it? HELL NO!

Stop blaming the gun and blame the morons who just want to kill for NO reason!

[Mikeod]

There were 350 people in that nightclub. I wonder if there would have been fewer deaths if half of them were armed?

But that's what worries me. I can readily see the value in CCW for personal protection. But in situations like this, or the Denver movie theater, I see a different problem. One person with a permit sees the shooter start, pulls his weapon and fires. Someone else with a permit yells, OMG there are two of them and fires at the wrong guy. And someone else sees that and starts firing. That's why LEOs have those vests with POLICE or FBI boldly printed. Hard to know who is the enemy sometimes. There is some rationale to restricting where you can carry.

[graciegirl]

Of course, Mateen could not be deported. He was born in New York.

Obviously, the gun issue is a big issue. This was a preplanned attack by him. He bought the pistol and rifle just a few days ago. A several day waiting period with full background check MIGHT have prevented the tragedy. The background check MIGHT have revealed the FBI check as well as the domestic abuse issue. How did he get and keep gun permits with domestic abuse issues and be selected for a job as an armed guard?
High capacity magazines are another issue to think about. The AR-15 style .223 has a 20 round magazine. Taped back to back makes 40 rounds. What civilian needs a 20 round magazine?

Off the soapbox now. Rocky and the Rollers were excellent tonight.

Richard.

You know we don't have guns. Guns are NOT the issue in this terrible tragedy. Radical Islamic terrorism is the issue. I don't know why anti-gun people keep changing the subject.

I am tired of politically correct discussions. Of course all Muslims aren't terrorists, but nonetheless, the powers that be who protect this country are watching mosques.

Sometimes we have to abandon being polite in the face of being safe.

[outlaw]

But that's what worries me. I can readily see the value in CCW for personal protection. But in situations like this, or the Denver movie theater, I see a different problem. One person with a permit sees the shooter start, pulls his weapon and fires. Someone else with a permit yells, OMG there are two of them and fires at the wrong guy. And someone else sees that and starts firing. That's why LEOs have those vests with POLICE or FBI boldly printed. Hard to know who is the enemy sometimes. There is some rationale to restricting where you can carry.

You rationalize gun free zones with this common hypothetical. We've tried the gun free zone-big fail. How many reminders, massacres in gun free zones is it going to take before you accept that it isn't working? How about we try something else like personal protection zones?

[Taltarzac725]

I am all for armed citizens if they have passed rigorous controls for buying a gun. And many types of weapons should be banned from being manufactured for anyone but the military and police.

There is no feasible way while continuing to be a representative democracy of getting these weapons now off the streets and out of the hands of criminals.

The Pink Pistols have the right idea of training heavily for firearm use and carrying. Pink Pistols – Pick On Someone Your Own Caliber (http://www.pinkpistols.org/)

More security as well as metal detectors are needed as well as bomb sniffing dogs.

[ColdNoMore]

Sometimes we have to abandon being polite in the face of being safe.


"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

Benjamin Franklin

[Mikeod]

You rationalize gun free zones with this common hypothetical. We've tried the gun free zone-big fail. How many reminders, massacres in gun free zones is it going to take before you accept that it isn't working? How about we try something else like personal protection zones?
Well, I'm relieved to know that it can't happen the way I described. Thanks for reassuring me. And I thought casualties from friendly fire were real.

You see, I'm not a gun control advocate. I'm a people control advocate. You know. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. And, while you may be trained enough, and have sufficient restraint, I'm not sure about the next guy, or the next guy. I mean, this murderer was hired as an ARMED security guard. And the result is the worst mass shooting in our history. So, how much value should I place in the training and vetting of people who are allowed to carry weapons on their persons?

You picture a scenario where the bad guy comes in and starts trouble in a crowded venue and someone with CCW permit pulls and takes him out. End of problem. I can see it happening differently. I can see collateral damage. I can see missing the target under that stress. I don't think my scenario is far fetched.

I don't know what the ultimate answer is, but I'm not sure unrestricted carry is it.

[waynet]

Why he did it is irrelevant to the real issue. Gun people will try to derail the real discussion with other stuff. The biggest issue is the ease with which a person can buy a weapon in the U.S. whose only purpose is to kill as many people in a short period of time as possible. Our laws prevent people on the terror watch list from flying but they are allowed to purchase guns and many of them are. Are you kidding me? We have had 8 mass casualty shootings since last June, 7 with assault rifles. This guy was a known quantity He was actively investigated and he still got a license to own guns. It's called an assault rifle for a reason. It was designed for only one purpose and we all know that. At one time in our history it was banned and no other weapon joined it on the banned list so history says because we ban one weapon the gov't will start to ban others as the NRA often says. Finally, I am not opposed to a person owning guns, I am an owner but these weapons make it too easy to inflict maximum damage and unless we can come up with a plan to keep them out of the hands of these nuts they should be banned.

[ugotme]

Waynet - therein lies the problem.

You will NEVER stop the bad guys, nut cases, etc. from acquiring any type of gun on the black market!

Bans only affect those that are law abiding and will not try to circumvent the law.

Unfortunate? Yes - but that is the way it is!

[manaboutown]

It is looking like this was an act of terrorism, Ramadan jihad or the like. Omar could have been surreptitiously provided with weaponry via one or more terrorist organizations although he was not in this case. Alternatively he could have blown himself up in the crowded club or set bombs there or elsewhere, such as what occurred in the Boston bombings.

BTW, how our government let him hold a firearms permit is beyond me.

[Carl in Tampa]

PARAGRAPHS NUMBERED TO FACILITATE RESPONSE.
1. The biggest issue is the ease with which a person can buy a weapon in the U.S. whose only purpose is to kill as many people in a short period of time as possible.

2. Our laws prevent people on the terror watch list from flying but they are allowed to purchase guns and many of them are. Are you kidding me?

3. We have had 8 mass casualty shootings since last June, 7 with assault rifles. This guy was a known quantity He was actively investigated and he still got a license to own guns. It's called an assault rifle for a reason. It was designed for only one purpose and we all know that.

4. At one time in our history it was banned and no other weapon joined it on the banned list so history says because we ban one weapon the gov't will start to ban others as the NRA often says.

5. Finally, I am not opposed to a person owning guns, I am an owner but these weapons make it too easy to inflict maximum damage and unless we can come up with a plan to keep them out of the hands of these nuts they should be banned.

1. The AR-15 was developed as a hunting rifle by the Armalite Corporation. The military version, the M-16 was a later spinoff. So, you see it's original purpose was not to kill people.

2. The "No Fly List" is a flawed document. It is replete with errors. Members of Congress are on the list, and experiencing great difficulty in getting off. There are infants on the list. It is not a reliable document for determining who may own guns.

There is a more cogent reason for not using the No Fly List for prohibiting gun purchases. It denies a Constitutional Right without DUE PROCESS. Being placed on the list is an arbitrary bureaucratic decision.

3. You cite eight mass casualty shootings. This, in a nation with over 1.5 MILLION so-called "assault rifles." The problem in not the gun, it is the people who did the shootings. You mention that the shooter was investigated. Apparently he was not considered dangerous when he was interviewed. Even FBI agents can be deceived.

4. You are wrong if you think only the AR-15 was banned. The original federal ban included Norinco, Mitchell, and Poly Technologies Avtomat Kalashnikovs (AKs) (all models), Action Arms Israeli Military Industries UZI and Galil, Beretta AR-70 (SC-70), Colt AR-15, Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN-LAR, FNC
SWD (MAC type) M-10, M-11, M11/9, M12, Steyr AUG,
INTRATEC TEC-9, TEC-DC9, TEC-22, and Revolving cylinder shotguns such as (or similar to) the Street Sweeper and Striker 12.

Subsequent proposals extended the list to dozens of other firearms, but they failed.

5. Do you really think a ban will keep these guns unavailable? If you believe that then you must think that smugglers are unable to bring tons of drugs and millions of illegal aliens into our country. Alas...... not so.

.

[Nugent47]

I am in full support of the second amendment... so how to we make sure nuts like this don't get guns without giving up our freedom to bear arms?

[Cajulian]

I have to say, for once, this topic is having some rational discussions from both sides pro and con.

That's nice to see. If it ever becomes possible to have national discussions, maybe some progress could be made.

Just for the record, I am a firm believer and supporter of our constitution.

Nice discussion. Thanks

[waynet]

To Carl
1. I have done as much research as I can and have found no mention of the AR-15 used as a hunting weapon. In 1959 it was produced as a small arms rifle for the US military later to morph into the M16. Besides if you need 30 rounds to kill an animal maybe try something else.
2. You are absolutely correct. The No fly list is a joke.
3,No one really knows how many 15's are around. No one has to tell. Manufacturers or dealers. And 8 mass killings since last June is not enough to convince you that perhaps achange is needed.
4. You are correct. More than the 15 were banned at the same time. Any semi-automatic weapon and large capacity magazines also were banned EX. AK-47s
5. Again you are correct. Nothing is 100% perfect but it is far too easy for anyone to obtain these weapons of mass destruction. There has to be a better way.

[Jima64]

.......is the very reason I carry a concealed weapon. Praying for the victims and families; may Omar Marteen burn in hell.

very sensible post.

[waynet]

We had a good discussion. We have agreed not to agree. My last comment is a very simple one. No one in America should own or want a weapon that allows them to take 50 innocent lives in the blink of an eye. Hunt with something else. As I wrote earlier if you need 30 rounds to to kill an animal find another sport. And yes the major of weapons were on the original ban. And yes the AR15 is a weapon of mass destruction. Ask the families of Sandy Hook CT and see what answer you get. You want to give everybody guns,fine, I do not. As for Iraq and Syria I do not want to see more American lives wasted. And so far they have been wasted by previous Presidents.

[jamblu]

Does the Villages have adequate security in your opinion? Anyone that rents can use the gate passes to gain entry into the communities?

[Bogie Shooter]

Does the Villages have adequate security in your opinion? Anyone that rents can use the gate passes to gain entry into the communities?

Actually you don't have to rent. A gate pass is not needed to open Village gates.
Our streets are no more or less safe, the anywhere else.

[graciegirl]

Does the Villages have adequate security in your opinion? Anyone that rents can use the gate passes to gain entry into the communities?

Yes. We have a VERY low crime rate here.

[kcrazorbackfan]

A gate pass is not needed to open Village gates. Our streets are no more or less safe, the anywhere else.

......and another reason why I choose to conceal carry.

[Carl in Tampa]

We had a good discussion. We have agreed not to agree. My last comment is a very simple one. No one in America should own or want a weapon that allows them to take 50 innocent lives in the blink of an eye. Hunt with something else. As I wrote earlier if you need 30 rounds to to kill an animal find another sport. And yes the major of weapons were on the original ban. And yes the AR15 is a weapon of mass destruction. Ask the families of Sandy Hook CT and see what answer you get. You want to give everybody guns,fine, I do not. As for Iraq and Syria I do not want to see more American lives wasted. And so far they have been wasted by previous Presidents.

You persist in failing to acknowledge that bans are ineffective. If bans worked we wouldn't have a drug problem or several million illegal aliens in our country.

You also obviously don't know that hunters don't use thirty round magazines. Five round magazines are made for a variety of semi-automatic hunting rifles. That's generally the limit in most states, just as shotguns are limited to three rounds when hunting ducks.

The Remington Model 8 semi-automatic rifle was introduced in 1911. One of these, with a detachable 20 round magazine, was used by Texas Ranger Frank Hamer in the ambush of Bonnie and Clyde. It is as deadly as the AR-15 but was never banned because it doesn't look like a military weapon. So you don't hear a hue and cry to ban it. It's all cosmetics.

"Weapons of mass destruction" has a precise meaning. No firearms are included. A weapon of mass destruction is a chemical, biological or radioactive weapon capable of causing widespread death and destruction.

Are you saying that you don't want to see ISIS crushed? That will mean continued attacks on American soil.

[Miles42]

The second amendment has little or nothing to do with hunting or target shooting. It protects all other rights period. Think nothing can ever happen then you have your head in the sand and have little knowledge of history.

[Taltarzac725]

The second amendment has little or nothing to do with hunting or target shooting. It protects all other rights period. Think nothing can ever happen then you have your head in the sand and have little knowledge of history.

It seems highly improbably that ISIS or an ISIS inspired killer would target the Villages as this would really backfire on their movement. Mass killing of seniors and their grandkids would probably not be of much use for their propaganda machine.

Something else horrible could happen however. We should always be alert of our surroundings.

There was a little argument on 6/13/2016 at the Belvedere Gate because the guy ahead of me did not have his gate pass and the gate no longer had a red button. The button had been knocked off somehow and you could only use the gate card.

The guy behind me was getting in a yelling match with the guy in front of me.

I got out of the car after putting it in park and used my card to open the gate for the guy with no card available.

And off he went. The guy in the car ahead of me-- driving away. Situation diffused.

This could have escalated though if both guys were armed and willing to use their guns.

John Wesley Harding shot someone --Charles Cougar-- because he snored too loud. John Wesley Hardin | Murderpedia, the encyclopedia of murderers (http://murderpedia.org/male.H/h/hardin-john-wesley.htm)

Pretty hard to carry around a Gatling Gun though in the Old West. And now we have their equivalent in rate of fire or even faster among similar murderous hotheads in 2016.

'Out West' at the Autry examines the history of homosexuals and transgender people in the Old West - latimes (http://articles.latimes.com/2009/dec/15/entertainment/la-et-out-west15-2009dec15)

[graciegirl]

Information is beginning to emerge that Omar Mateen may have had problems with his own conflicted sexuality. Apparently he had a gay dating app on his phone and a witness said that he had communicated with him on this site and had seen him at the club, sitting and drinking by himself in the corner. The teachings of Islam against homosexuality, his reported anger issues, and this apparent conflict may have been part of the motive.

Now fifty people have died horribly. And fifty three more are suffering with terrible wounds.

[dplars]

One wonders what goes through the mind of someone like that especially when more information is coming out indicating he was gay and visited Pulse many time in the past. Also interesting the FBI censoring certain statements by Mateen's ex wife. Ex-wife’s bombshell claim: Club shooter was gay | New York Post (http://nypost.com/2016/06/13/shooter-used-to-visit-orlando-gay-club-use-gay-dating-apps/)

[xcaligirl]

Interestingly, the prohibition against concealed carry in an alcohol dispensing establishment does not apply to current and qualified retired law enforcement officers who are carrying under the provisions of the federal Law Enforcement Officer's Safety Act (LEOSA). There are several hundred qualified carriers in The Villages.

Unfortunately, the owner of the business has the authority to exclude them, and many do. File that under "Stupid."

:cus:

File that under the same "gun free zone" or, as the officials call it, "places of nuisance" law. I see the "gun free zones" as an invitation for the crazy people and terrorists.

[Taltarzac725]

File that under the same "gun free zone" or, as the officials call it, "places of nuisance" law. I see the "gun free zones" as an invitation for the crazy people and terrorists.

Do not the police and/or security people in these "gun free zones" have weapons??

I do not anyone armed but the Air Marshall on any airplane I am flying on. A shootout on an airplane at any height is a bad idea and even worse at 35,000 feet.

[xcaligirl]

One wonders what goes through the mind of someone like that especially when more information is coming out indicating he was gay and visited Pulse many time in the past. Also interesting the FBI censoring certain statements by Mateen's ex wife. Ex-wife’s bombshell claim: Club shooter was gay | New York Post (http://nypost.com/2016/06/13/shooter-used-to-visit-orlando-gay-club-use-gay-dating-apps/)

She was really trying to choose her words carefully last night on CNN. She wouldn't even look at anyone or the camera. Obviously she knew more than what she was revealing. I thought maybe it was due to the investigation.

[manaboutown]

Information is beginning to emerge that Omar Mateen may have had problems with his own conflicted sexuality. Apparently he had a gay dating app on his phone and a witness said that he had communicated with him on this site and had seen him at the club, sitting and drinking by himself in the corner. The teachings of Islam against homosexuality, his reported anger issues, and this apparent conflict may have been part of the motive.

Now fifty people have died horribly. And fifty three more are suffering with terrible wounds.

Maybe he was still in the closet or about to come out - or he was casing the joint. He must have known only the front door was openable as from what I have heard the other doors were locked. He stood at the front door and initially shot the people trying to get out. It was like shooting fish in a barrel.

[Taltarzac725]

Maybe he was still in the closet or about to come out - or he was casing the joint. He must have known only the front door was openable as from what I have heard the other doors were locked. He stood at the front door and initially shot the people trying to get out. It was like shooting fish in a barrel.

It does sound like they had a security problem there. We do have to become a lot more careful about soft targets like this one.

How to protect yourself in the event of a terrorist attack - MarketWatch (http://www.marketwatch.com/story/how-to-protect-yourself-in-the-event-of-a-terrorist-attack-2015-11-17)

Terrorism Preparedness | American Red Cross (http://www.redcross.org/prepare/disaster/terrorism)

Preventing Terrorism | Homeland Security (https://www.dhs.gov/preventing-terrorism)

[graciegirl]

U.S. can't confirm reports Islamic State leader killed (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-cant-confirm-reports-islamic-state-leader-killed/ar-AAh1PJZ?ocid=spartandhp)

This is changing the subject. But if El Bagdaddy(sp) has indeed been killed then I imagine that the world will be on heightened alert, being this is the Holy month of Ramadan and that Isis has messaged all followers to do Jihad.

[Here2Stay]

Just the mention of his name is his glory! I know his name well, but those killed I can't recall one name! I so wish the news media would never show his face on TV, they love this glory! He never mention his name, instead calling him the shooter, anything but giving him the glory of his name being remembered! This is what they all live for, knowing they get all the attention! Just saying!

[Carl in Tampa]

Do not the police and/or security people in these "gun free zones" have weapons??

I do not anyone armed but the Air Marshall on any airplane I am flying on. A shootout on an airplane at any height is a bad idea and even worse at 35,000 feet.

Well, no. Bouncers at bars are not often armed. If off duty police are used, they are armed. But one armed officer can easily be overpowered by an ambush, after which the gun free zone becomes a killing field.

You may be surprised to learn that there are thousands of armed individuals on commercial aircraft every day who are not Air Marshals. For twenty years I was one of them. They include all federal law enforcement agents. I sometimes flew in the cockpit.

In addition full-time municipal, county, state, tribal or territorial law enforcement officers may be armed if they meet certain criteria, including being on duty and armed in connection with duties or having an operational need for a firearm just before leaving or immediately upon arriving.

[blueash]

BTW, how our government let him hold a firearms permit is beyond me.

Propose please what new regulations or governmental actions you desire to possibly prevent the next similar massacre. Keep in mind that they will have to be approved by the NRA prior to enactment or we will need a new Supreme Court Justice to readjudicate the meaning of a well regulated militia back to what it meant for the first 200 years of our constitution.

[kcrazorbackfan]

Do not the police and/or security people in these "gun free zones" have weapons??

I do not anyone armed but the Air Marshall on any airplane I am flying on. A shootout on an airplane at any height is a bad idea and even worse at 35,000 feet.

The ammo used by Federal Air Marshal's, and pretty much most Law Enforcement Officers, are designed to mushroom during impact with a body (doing incredible damage) and not pass through the subject.