How many of the blood donors were Muslims

[leftyf]

Right now I just need a hug from the Muslim people. I can't help but wonder, of all of the blood donors for the Orlando shooting, how many were Muslims?

[justjim]

And why do you want to know this? When you give blood, I don't think they ask your religion.

[manaboutown]

Now that is an interesting question!

[graciegirl]

To me, too many aren't as quick to say they are worried and sad and sorry this happened, that Islam CARES about Christians and Jews and Homosexuals, and a little too quick to say they are persecuted.

I lived for twenty years close to a Mosque.

[CFrance]

Right now I just need a hug from the Muslim people. I can't help but wonder, of all of the blood donors for the Orlando shooting, how many were Muslims?

This seems to me like a passive-aggressive, sarcastic slam. Have the courage of your convictions and just state what you think. And be prepared to hear others' views.

[pooh]

Sorry, I don't think it's relevant...whether someone is of a particular faith. We are all emotionally fired up and it's very easy too react the same. Some people give blood, some want to but might not be able to. We do not know individuals' reasons for giving or not giving.

Yesterday there was a massive outpouring of blood donators. Many were being asked to come back today or tomorrow when lines might be shorter, wait times lessened. Hopefully, there are still many willing to donate this morning.

[Mudder]

Blood donors are special people willing to give of themselves, their religion has nothing to do with it.

[graciegirl]

Blood donors are special people willing to give of themselves, their religion has nothing to do with it.

Their motivation I believe may be involved. Muslims are taught that homosexuality is a sin and in some cases punishable by death.

[Challenger]

Right now I just need a hug from the Muslim people. I can't help but wonder, of all of the blood donors for the Orlando shooting, how many were Muslims?

The only religion that is relevant in this case of donating blood is love and concern for others.

[Bogie Shooter]

Their motivation I believe may be involved. Muslims are taught that homosexuality is a sin and in some cases punishable by death.

Isn't the religious right taught the same thing?

[graciegirl]

Isn't the religious right taught the same thing?

Yes. But not many kill people over it.

[Bogie Shooter]

Yes. But not many kill people over it.

glad you said "not many".

[quirky3]

Right now I just need a hug from the Muslim people. I can't help but wonder, of all of the blood donors for the Orlando shooting, how many were Muslims?

This is from Facebook

Mahmoud ElAwadi feeling determined at Orlando

-Yes my name is Mahmoud a proud Muslim American .
-Yes I donated blood even though I can't eat or drink anything cause I'm fasting in our holy month Ramadan just like hundreds of other Muslims who donated today here in Orlando .
-Yes I'm angry for what happened last night and all the innocent lives we lost .
-Yes I'm sad , frustrated and mad that a crazy guy claim to be a Muslim did that shameful act.
-Yes I witnessed the greatness of this country watching thousands of people standing in 92 degree sun waiting on their turn to donate blood even after they were told that the wait time is 5-7 hours .
-Yes this is the greatest nation on earth watching people from different a ages including kids volunteering to give water , juice , food , umbrellas , sun block. Also watching our old veterans coming to donate And next to them Muslim women in hijab carrying food and water to donors standing in line .
-Yes together we will stand against hate , terrorism , extremism and racism .
-Yes our blood all look the same so get out there and donate blood cause our fellow American citizens are injured and need our blood .
Yes our community in central Florida is heart broken but let's put our colors , religions , ethnicity , sexual orientation , political views all aside so we can UNITE against those who are trying to hurt us .

[outlaw]

This is from Facebook

Mahmoud ElAwadi feeling determined at Orlando

-Yes my name is Mahmoud a proud Muslim American .
-Yes I donated blood even though I can't eat or drink anything cause I'm fasting in our holy month Ramadan just like hundreds of other Muslims who donated today here in Orlando .
-Yes I'm angry for what happened last night and all the innocent lives we lost .
-Yes I'm sad , frustrated and mad that a crazy guy claim to be a Muslim did that shameful act.
-Yes I witnessed the greatness of this country watching thousands of people standing in 92 degree sun waiting on their turn to donate blood even after they were told that the wait time is 5-7 hours .
-Yes this is the greatest nation on earth watching people from different a ages including kids volunteering to give water , juice , food , umbrellas , sun block. Also watching our old veterans coming to donate And next to them Muslim women in hijab carrying food and water to donors standing in line .
-Yes together we will stand against hate , terrorism , extremism and racism .
-Yes our blood all look the same so get out there and donate blood cause our fellow American citizens are injured and need our blood .
Yes our community in central Florida is heart broken but let's put our colors , religions , ethnicity , sexual orientation , political views all aside so we can UNITE against those who are trying to hurt us .

Well, at least there's one. Any others?

[RickeyD]

This is from Facebook



Mahmoud ElAwadi feeling determined at Orlando



-Yes my name is Mahmoud a proud Muslim American .

-Yes I donated blood even though I can't eat or drink anything cause I'm fasting in our holy month Ramadan just like hundreds of other Muslims who donated today here in Orlando .

-Yes I'm angry for what happened last night and all the innocent lives we lost .

-Yes I'm sad , frustrated and mad that a crazy guy claim to be a Muslim did that shameful act.

-Yes I witnessed the greatness of this country watching thousands of people standing in 92 degree sun waiting on their turn to donate blood even after they were told that the wait time is 5-7 hours .

-Yes this is the greatest nation on earth watching people from different a ages including kids volunteering to give water , juice , food , umbrellas , sun block. Also watching our old veterans coming to donate And next to them Muslim women in hijab carrying food and water to donors standing in line .

-Yes together we will stand against hate , terrorism , extremism and racism .

-Yes our blood all look the same so get out there and donate blood cause our fellow American citizens are injured and need our blood .

Yes our community in central Florida is heart broken but let's put our colors , religions , ethnicity , sexual orientation , political views all aside so we can UNITE against those who are trying to hurt us .



Just as the KKK doesn't represent all Christians, Muslim extremists don't represent all Muslims.

[Bogie Shooter]

Well, at least there's one. Any others?

If someone provided 25.......you would ask the same question. What number would please you?

[dotti105]

Watching CNN and FOXNEWS yesterday, I saw numerous Muslim leaders speak out against this terrible mass murder.

Please don't be stupid enough to think that all Muslims are gihadists. The former president of Afganistan was interviewed and he said those radicals are not true Muslims, as Muslims believe in peace and love for all.

There are barbarians claiming religious causes, just as there have been throughout all of history. It is ignorant to lump all Muslims with gihadists. Those who do are only admitting their ignorance.

[dotti105]

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[ColdNoMore]

Watching CNN and FOXNEWS yesterday, I saw numerous Muslim leaders speak out against this terrible mass murder.

Please don't be stupid enough to think that all Muslims are gihadists. The former president of Afganistan was interviewed and he said those radicals are not true Muslims, as Muslims believe in peace and love for all.

There are barbarians claiming religious causes, just as there have been throughout all of history. It is ignorant to lump all Muslims with gihadists. Those who do are only admitting their ignorance.


:BigApplause:....:BigApplause:....:BigApplause:

[graciegirl]

These religions are peaceful. They do not think of those outside their religion as infidels;

Hinduism
Buddhism
Jainism
Sikhism
Taoism
Shinto

[rhood]

Just as the KKK doesn't represent all Christians, Muslim extremists don't represent all Muslims.

And one crazy gun owner doesn't represent all gun owners!

[dave harris]

Right now I just need a hug from the Muslim people. I can't help but wonder, of all of the blood donors for the Orlando shooting, how many were Muslims?

Maybe you can go to the donation center and ask each person, then keep a count and report back to us.

[dave harris]

Yes. But not many kill people over it.

You need to study your history.

[Taltarzac725]

Muhammad Ali Center holds blood drive | Metro Louisville - WLKY Home (http://www.wlky.com/news/local-news/louisville-news/muhammad-ali-center-holds-blood-drive/20633074)

This is a few years old.

[Taltarzac725]

Right now I just need a hug from the Muslim people. I can't help but wonder, of all of the blood donors for the Orlando shooting, how many were Muslims?

Explainer: Shia-Sunni divide and Iraq's deadly sectarian war - The Globe and Mail (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/sunni---shia-divide-explained/article19337058/)

Better to ask is whether they are Sunni or Shi'ite.

[perrjojo]

Well, at least there's one. Any others?
Actually there were several Muslim leaders that were on TV news yesterday and today condemning this dreadful act.

[buckscounty]

Isn't the religious right taught the same thing?

No they are not told to kill them.

[buckscounty]

You need to study your history.

history has nothing to do with now, we are not told to kill
gays

[graciegirl]

Actually there were several Muslim leaders that were on TV news yesterday and today condemning this dreadful act.

I saw one Muslim leader tonight on Television at the Vigil in Orlando. I must say that he was the first one that really said what I wanted to hear. He was one of only two people who were clergy that spoke.

[leftyf]

I saw one Muslim leader tonight on Television at the Vigil in Orlando. I must say that he was the first one that really said what I wanted to hear. He was one of only two people who were clergy that spoke.

I have seen them talking all day, but talk is cheap. NONE of them said they had donated blood. That is my point.

Oh, by the way, I donate platelets every 2 weeks and I have been a blood donor for over 40 years.

[mikemalloy]

Just as the KKK doesn't represent all Christians, Muslim extremists don't represent all Muslims.


Terrorism


ICM Poll: 20% of British Muslims sympathize with 7/7 bombers
Poll reveals 40pc of Muslims want sharia law in UK - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1510866/Poll-reveals-40pc-of-Muslims-want-sharia-law-in-UK.html)

NOP Research: 1 in 4 British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified
Many British Muslims Put Islam First - CBS News (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/main1893879.shtml&date=2011-04-06)
WebCite query result (http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY)

Channel Four (2006): 31% of younger British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified compared to 14% of those over 45.
http://www.policyexchange.org.uk/images/publications/living%20apart%20together%20-%20jan%2007.pdf

People-Press: 31% of Turks support suicide attacks against Westerners in Iraq.
A Year After Iraq War | Pew Research Center (http://people-press.org/report/206/a-year-after-iraq-war)

YNet: One third of Palestinians (32%) supported the slaughter of a Jewish family, including the children:
http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/04/06/32-of-palestinians-support-infanticide/
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4053251,00.html

World Public Opinion: 83% of Egyptians approve of attacks on American troops.
26% of Indonesians approve of attacks on American troops.
26% of Pakistanis approve of attacks on American troops.
68% of Moroccans approve of attacks on American troops.
90% of Palestinians approve of attacks on American troops.
72% of Jordanians approve of attacks on American troops.
52% of Turks approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (39% oppose)
A minority of Muslims disagreed entirely with terror attacks on American troops.
About half of those opposed to attacking Americans were sympathetic with al-Qaeda’s attitude toward the U.S.
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/feb09/STARTII_Feb09_rpt.pdf

World Public Opinion (2009): 30% of Palestinians support attacks on American civilians working in Muslim countries. 24% support the murder of Americans on U.S. soil.
Only 74% of Turks and 55% of Pakistanis disapprove of terror attacks against civilians on U.S. soil.
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/feb09/STARTII_Feb09_rpt.pdf

Pew Research (2010): 55% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hezbollah
30% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hezbollah
45% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hezbollah (26% negative)
43% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hezbollah (30% negative)
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/

Pew Research (2010): 60% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hamas (34% negative).
49% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hamas (48% negative)
49% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hamas (25% negative)
39% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hamas (33% negative)
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/

Pew Research (2010): 15% of Indonesians believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified.
34% of Nigerian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified.
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/

16% of young Muslims in Belgium state terrorism is "acceptable".
http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/1275/Islam/article/detail/1619036/2013/04/22/Zestien-procent-moslimjongens-vindt-terrorisme-aanvaardbaar.dhtml

Populus Poll (2006): 12% of young Muslims in Britain (and 12% overall) believe that suicide attacks against civilians in Britain can be justified. 1 in 4 support suicide attacks against British troops.
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist

Pew Research (2007): 26% of younger Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are justified.
35% of young Muslims in Britain believe suicide bombings are justified (24% overall).
42% of young Muslims in France believe suicide bombings are justified (35% overall).
22% of young Muslims in Germany believe suicide bombings are justified.(13% overall).
29% of young Muslims in Spain believe suicide bombings are justified.(25% overall).
http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf#page=60

Pew Research (2011): 8% of Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified (81% never).
28% of Egyptian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified (38% never).
http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/30/muslim-americans-no-signs-of-growth-in-alienation-or-support-for-extremism/

Pew Research (2007): Muslim-Americans who identify more strongly with their religion are three times more likely to feel that suicide bombings are justified
http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf#page=60

27% of British Muslims do not support the deportation of Islamic extremists preaching violence and hate.
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist.html

Federation of Student Islamic Societies: About 1 in 5 Muslim students in Britain (18%) would not report a fellow Muslim planning a terror attack.
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist

ICM Poll: 25% of British Muslims disagree that a Muslim has an obligation to report terrorists to police.
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist

Populus Poll (2006): 16% of British Muslims believe suicide attacks against Israelis are justified.
37% believe Jews in Britain are a "legitimate target".
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist

World Public Opinion: Majorities in Egypt (63%) and Libya (61%) supported the 9/11/2012 attacks against American embassies, including Benghazi.
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/brunitedstatescanadara/727.php?nid=&id=&pnt=727

Pew Research (2013): At least 1 in 4 Muslims do not reject violence against civilians (study did not distinguish between those who believe it is partially justified and never justified).
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/Topics/Religious_Affiliation/Muslim/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf

Pew Research (2013): 15% of Muslims in Turkey support suicide bombings (also 11% in Kosovo, 26% in Malaysia and 26% in Bangladesh).
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/Topics/Religious_Affiliation/Muslim/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf

PCPO (2014): 89% of Palestinians support Hamas and other terrorists firing rockets at Israeli civilians.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/08/poll-89-of-palestinians-support-jihad-terror-attacks-on-israely

Pew Research (2013): Only 57% of Muslims worldwide disapprove of al-Qaeda. Only 51% disapprove of the Taliban. 13% support both groups and 1 in 4 refuse to say.
http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/09/10/muslim-publics-share-concerns-about-extremist-groups/

BBC Radio (2015): 45% of British Muslims agree that clerics preaching violence against the West represent "mainstream Islam".
http://www.comres.co.uk/polls/bbc-radio-4-today-muslim-poll/

Palestinian Center for Political Research (2015): 74% of Palestinians support Hamas terror attacks.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/support-for-hamas-skyrockets-following-war-poll-shows/

Pew Research (2014): 47% of Bangladeshi Muslims says suicide bombings and violence are justified to "defend Islam". 1 in 4 believed the same in Tanzania and Egypt. 1 in 5 Muslims in the 'moderate' countries of Turkey and Malaysia.
http://www.pewglobal.org/2014/07/01/concerns-about-islamic-extremism-on-the-rise-in-middle-east/

The Polling Company CSP Poll (2015): 19% of Muslim-Americans say that violence is justified in order to make Sharia the law in the United States (66% disagree).
http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/150612-CSP-Polling-Company-Nationwide-Online-Survey-of-Muslims-Topline-Poll-Data.pdf

The Polling Company CSP Poll (2015): 25% of Muslim-Americans say that violence against Americans in the United States is justified as part of the "global Jihad (64% disagree).
http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/150612-CSP-Polling-Company-Nationwide-Online-Survey-of-Muslims-Topline-Poll-Data.pdf

The Sun (2015: Following Nov. 2015 attacks in Paris, 1 in 4 young Muslims in Britain (and 1 in 5 overall) said they sympathize with those who fight for ISIS.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/6758207/1-in-5-British-Muslims-have-sympathy-for-jihadis-in-poll.html

ICM (2016): 2 in 3 Muslims in Britain would not report terror plot to police.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/article4730825.ece

[virgind]

This is a little off subject but I know of no other religion that wants to kill the infidels (Christians us Americans) . It says it in their bible. So why the ---- are we supporting them. Maybe during the Crusades but who was fighting that . Christians and Muslims who is fighting now. I'm with Trump they dont want to live according to our ways leave dont come back.

[Taltarzac725]

I have seen them talking all day, but talk is cheap. NONE of them said they had donated blood. That is my point.

Oh, by the way, I donate platelets every 2 weeks and I have been a blood donor for over 40 years.

You often cannot tell a Muslim from what she or he looks like. Muslims in America - 24 Famous celebrities who are Muslim - Pictures - CBS News (http://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/famous-muslim-celebrities/1/)

[RickeyD]

Terrorism





ICM Poll: 20% of British Muslims sympathize with 7/7 bombers

Poll reveals 40pc of Muslims want sharia law in UK - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1510866/Poll-reveals-40pc-of-Muslims-want-sharia-law-in-UK.html)



NOP Research: 1 in 4 British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified

Many British Muslims Put Islam First - CBS News (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/main1893879.shtml&date=2011-04-06)

WebCite query result (http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY)



Channel Four (2006): 31% of younger British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified compared to 14% of those over 45.

http://www.policyexchange.org.uk/images/publications/living%20apart%20together%20-%20jan%2007.pdf



People-Press: 31% of Turks support suicide attacks against Westerners in Iraq.

A Year After Iraq War | Pew Research Center (http://people-press.org/report/206/a-year-after-iraq-war)



YNet: One third of Palestinians (32%) supported the slaughter of a Jewish family, including the children:

http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/04/06/32-of-palestinians-support-infanticide/

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4053251,00.html



World Public Opinion: 83% of Egyptians approve of attacks on American troops.

26% of Indonesians approve of attacks on American troops.

26% of Pakistanis approve of attacks on American troops.

68% of Moroccans approve of attacks on American troops.

90% of Palestinians approve of attacks on American troops.

72% of Jordanians approve of attacks on American troops.

52% of Turks approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (39% oppose)

A minority of Muslims disagreed entirely with terror attacks on American troops.

About half of those opposed to attacking Americans were sympathetic with al-Qaeda’s attitude toward the U.S.

http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/feb09/STARTII_Feb09_rpt.pdf



World Public Opinion (2009): 30% of Palestinians support attacks on American civilians working in Muslim countries. 24% support the murder of Americans on U.S. soil.

Only 74% of Turks and 55% of Pakistanis disapprove of terror attacks against civilians on U.S. soil.

http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/feb09/STARTII_Feb09_rpt.pdf



Pew Research (2010): 55% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hezbollah

30% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hezbollah

45% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hezbollah (26% negative)

43% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hezbollah (30% negative)

http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/



Pew Research (2010): 60% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hamas (34% negative).

49% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hamas (48% negative)

49% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hamas (25% negative)

39% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hamas (33% negative)

http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/



Pew Research (2010): 15% of Indonesians believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified.

34% of Nigerian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified.

http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/



16% of young Muslims in Belgium state terrorism is "acceptable".

http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/1275/Islam/article/detail/1619036/2013/04/22/Zestien-procent-moslimjongens-vindt-terrorisme-aanvaardbaar.dhtml



Populus Poll (2006): 12% of young Muslims in Britain (and 12% overall) believe that suicide attacks against civilians in Britain can be justified. 1 in 4 support suicide attacks against British troops.

http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist



Pew Research (2007): 26% of younger Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are justified.

35% of young Muslims in Britain believe suicide bombings are justified (24% overall).

42% of young Muslims in France believe suicide bombings are justified (35% overall).

22% of young Muslims in Germany believe suicide bombings are justified.(13% overall).

29% of young Muslims in Spain believe suicide bombings are justified.(25% overall).

http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf#page=60



Pew Research (2011): 8% of Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified (81% never).

28% of Egyptian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified (38% never).

http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/30/muslim-americans-no-signs-of-growth-in-alienation-or-support-for-extremism/



Pew Research (2007): Muslim-Americans who identify more strongly with their religion are three times more likely to feel that suicide bombings are justified

http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf#page=60



27% of British Muslims do not support the deportation of Islamic extremists preaching violence and hate.

http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist.html



Federation of Student Islamic Societies: About 1 in 5 Muslim students in Britain (18%) would not report a fellow Muslim planning a terror attack.

http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist



ICM Poll: 25% of British Muslims disagree that a Muslim has an obligation to report terrorists to police.

http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist



Populus Poll (2006): 16% of British Muslims believe suicide attacks against Israelis are justified.

37% believe Jews in Britain are a "legitimate target".

http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist



World Public Opinion: Majorities in Egypt (63%) and Libya (61%) supported the 9/11/2012 attacks against American embassies, including Benghazi.

http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/brunitedstatescanadara/727.php?nid=&id=&pnt=727



Pew Research (2013): At least 1 in 4 Muslims do not reject violence against civilians (study did not distinguish between those who believe it is partially justified and never justified).

http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/Topics/Religious_Affiliation/Muslim/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf



Pew Research (2013): 15% of Muslims in Turkey support suicide bombings (also 11% in Kosovo, 26% in Malaysia and 26% in Bangladesh).

http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/Topics/Religious_Affiliation/Muslim/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf



PCPO (2014): 89% of Palestinians support Hamas and other terrorists firing rockets at Israeli civilians.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/08/poll-89-of-palestinians-support-jihad-terror-attacks-on-israely



Pew Research (2013): Only 57% of Muslims worldwide disapprove of al-Qaeda. Only 51% disapprove of the Taliban. 13% support both groups and 1 in 4 refuse to say.

http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/09/10/muslim-publics-share-concerns-about-extremist-groups/



BBC Radio (2015): 45% of British Muslims agree that clerics preaching violence against the West represent "mainstream Islam".

http://www.comres.co.uk/polls/bbc-radio-4-today-muslim-poll/



Palestinian Center for Political Research (2015): 74% of Palestinians support Hamas terror attacks.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/support-for-hamas-skyrockets-following-war-poll-shows/



Pew Research (2014): 47% of Bangladeshi Muslims says suicide bombings and violence are justified to "defend Islam". 1 in 4 believed the same in Tanzania and Egypt. 1 in 5 Muslims in the 'moderate' countries of Turkey and Malaysia.

http://www.pewglobal.org/2014/07/01/concerns-about-islamic-extremism-on-the-rise-in-middle-east/



The Polling Company CSP Poll (2015): 19% of Muslim-Americans say that violence is justified in order to make Sharia the law in the United States (66% disagree).

http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/150612-CSP-Polling-Company-Nationwide-Online-Survey-of-Muslims-Topline-Poll-Data.pdf



The Polling Company CSP Poll (2015): 25% of Muslim-Americans say that violence against Americans in the United States is justified as part of the "global Jihad (64% disagree).

http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/150612-CSP-Polling-Company-Nationwide-Online-Survey-of-Muslims-Topline-Poll-Data.pdf



The Sun (2015: Following Nov. 2015 attacks in Paris, 1 in 4 young Muslims in Britain (and 1 in 5 overall) said they sympathize with those who fight for ISIS.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/6758207/1-in-5-British-Muslims-have-sympathy-for-jihadis-in-poll.html



ICM (2016): 2 in 3 Muslims in Britain would not report terror plot to police.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/article4730825.ece



You spent a lot of time on this. I get it. If I were one of the many having to live under brutal western colonial rule over the past many centuries I might feel as these people do. You can't pick and choose which part of history makes your argument valid.

http://www.oxfordislamicstudies.com/article/book/islam-9780195107999/islam-9780195107999-chapter-13

http://www.history.ac.uk/reviews/review/575

http://what-when-how.com/western-colonialism/british-colonialism-middle-east-western-colonialism/

http://www.middleeastpdx.org/resources/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Colonialism_Middle_East.ppt

http://www.mepc.org/journal/middle-east-policy-archives/troubles-syria-spawned-french-divide-and-rule

[graciegirl]

You often cannot tell a Muslim from what she or he looks like. Muslims in America - 24 Famous celebrities who are Muslim - Pictures - CBS News (http://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/famous-muslim-celebrities/1/)

No. BUT. Having lived near a Mosque for 22 years before moving here, I can make this observation. The Muslims who are bearded and who wear traditional clothing are usually more devout or radicalized if those words can fairly be interchanged. The men go to prayer four times a day.(Women aren't allowed at prayer) It is similar to many of us today. I call myself a Catholic, but don't attend Mass on a regular basis which may be that I am not as devout or radicalized, if those words can be fairly interchanged, as someone wearing a traditional nun's habit. (In fact that is a very good bet)

[JoelJohnson]

There are about 1.6 BILLION Muslims in the world.
They make up about .01% of the US population.
Like you and me, most of them just want to live in peace.
They come to this country to escape the terrorist in their own country.

Anyone can become radicalized, let's remember Timmy McVeigh (Federal Building bombing), was a US citizen of US parents.

[outlaw]

If someone provided 25.......you would ask the same question. What number would please you?

Hundreds. At least they would show where they stand, instead of sending out a couple of CAIR lawyers to speak about how the muslim community feels persecuted.

[graciegirl]

There are about 1.6 BILLION Muslims in the world.
They make up about .01% of the US population.
Like you and me, most of them just want to live in peace.
They come to this country to escape the terrorist in their own country.

Anyone can become radicalized, let's remember Timmy McVeigh (Federal Building bombing), was a US citizen of US parents.

They also could come here for the same reason that Jehovah Witnesses knock on our door, and that Mormons go on trips before college and why many evangelistic Christians go to countries that do not have Christianity.

I would like to believe that everyone who comes to this country are looking for a job and a new life, but some come for religious reasons, to spread their faith.

[Taltarzac725]

There are about 1.6 BILLION Muslims in the world.
They make up about .01% of the US population.
Like you and me, most of them just want to live in peace.
They come to this country to escape the terrorist in their own country.

Anyone can become radicalized, let's remember Timmy McVeigh (Federal Building bombing), was a US citizen of US parents.

These lone wolves come in every color, almost every religion, but are mostly young male. Lone wolf (terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lone_wolf_(terrorism)

The policeman interviewed a few days ago-- FBI lead agent-- on the Pulse nightclub massacre told us -- I you see something say something and we will do something.

People should watch out for their neighbors and if someone seems a lot more angry than usual or if dogs run from this person because they can sense the pent up hostility call your non 911 number. Use some common sense though-- people can get upset for a very wide variety of things.

[graciegirl]

No. BUT. Having lived near a Mosque for 22 years before moving here, I can make this observation. The Muslims who are bearded and who wear traditional clothing are usually more devout or radicalized if those words can fairly be interchanged. The men go to prayer four times a day.(Women aren't allowed at prayer) It is similar to many of us today. I call myself a Catholic, but don't attend Mass on a regular basis which may be that I am not as devout or radicalized, if those words can be fairly interchanged, as someone wearing a traditional nun's habit. (In fact that is a very good bet)

It is very hard for most of us who live in peace with other religions and don't hate other religions to find fault with other religions, but Isis, and it's predecessors in TODAY's world are very scary and the followers are very dangerous and most of us are infidels that they want dead.

[Taltarzac725]

You spent a lot of time on this. I get it. If I were one of the many having to live under brutal western colonial rule over the past many centuries I might feel as these people do. You can't pick and choose which part of history makes your argument valid.

The Oxford History of Islam - European Colonialism and the Emergence of Modern Muslim States - Oxford Islamic Studies Online (http://www.oxfordislamicstudies.com/article/book/islam-9780195107999/islam-9780195107999-chapter-13)

Western Imperialism in the Middle East, 1914–1958 | Reviews in History (http://www.history.ac.uk/reviews/review/575)

BRITISH COLONIALISM, MIDDLE EAST (Western Colonialism) (http://what-when-how.com/western-colonialism/british-colonialism-middle-east-western-colonialism/)

http://www.middleeastpdx.org/resources/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Colonialism_Middle_East.ppt

The Troubles in Syria: Spawned by French Divide and Rule | Middle East Policy Council (http://www.mepc.org/journal/middle-east-policy-archives/troubles-syria-spawned-french-divide-and-rule)

Understanding your enemy is a good thing or trying to prevent people from becoming your enemy is even better.

People should study the history, culture and languages of these areas.

I do not think there is much chance of understanding ISIS as that is a fascist movement mostly developed around a radicalization of a old religion which has little cultural or historical connection. It is cult like and depends a lot on the people who are running it and their personalities.

[outlaw]

Oh well. Many naysayers on here. Unfortunately, it will take several more of these attacks on US soil before some will realize the evil Trojan horse we welcomed into our country. Hopefully, it won't be too late, like in Europe.

[Taltarzac725]

Oh well. Many naysayers on here. Unfortunately, it will take several more of these attacks on US soil before some will realize the evil Trojan horse we welcomed into our country. Hopefully, it won't be too late, like in Europe.

You seem to be forgetting that the Orlando shooter was born in Queens. He was a US citizen and probably a closet gay.

[CFrance]

This is from Facebook

Mahmoud ElAwadi feeling determined at Orlando

-Yes my name is Mahmoud a proud Muslim American .
-Yes I donated blood even though I can't eat or drink anything cause I'm fasting in our holy month Ramadan just like hundreds of other Muslims who donated today here in Orlando .
-Yes I'm angry for what happened last night and all the innocent lives we lost .
-Yes I'm sad , frustrated and mad that a crazy guy claim to be a Muslim did that shameful act.
-Yes I witnessed the greatness of this country watching thousands of people standing in 92 degree sun waiting on their turn to donate blood even after they were told that the wait time is 5-7 hours .
-Yes this is the greatest nation on earth watching people from different a ages including kids volunteering to give water , juice , food , umbrellas , sun block. Also watching our old veterans coming to donate And next to them Muslim women in hijab carrying food and water to donors standing in line .
-Yes together we will stand against hate , terrorism , extremism and racism .
-Yes our blood all look the same so get out there and donate blood cause our fellow American citizens are injured and need our blood .
Yes our community in central Florida is heart broken but let's put our colors , religions , ethnicity , sexual orientation , political views all aside so we can UNITE against those who are trying to hurt us .

Just as the KKK doesn't represent all Christians, Muslim extremists don't represent all Muslims.
:BigApplause:to you both

[RickeyD]

Oh well. Many naysayers on here. Unfortunately, it will take several more of these attacks on US soil before some will realize the evil Trojan horse we welcomed into our country. Hopefully, it won't be too late, like in Europe.



Maybe make them wear a yellow star of Islam on their clothing. Would make a round up a lot easier.

[graciegirl]

Maybe make them wear a yellow star of Islam on their clothing. Would make a round up a lot easier.

I think the problem lies in who is an extremist. Who is becoming more involved, becoming more "devout", becoming more radicalized?

To dismiss a problem summarily by being kind and accepting as we were taught to act and believe is right to act is dangerous. Therein lies the real trouble. It is wrong to group all people in with those who will kill you, but we have to have some means of where to look. I guess all profiling is suspect, but sometimes it is the only means at hand to work out where the danger is pointing. The CIA and the FBI look at certain places when they are looking for terrorists. It is something that being politically correct doesn't quite cover. We are hamstrung by our political correctness. We must be aware and cautious but not throw the baby out with the bath water. NOT lose our common sense. Not lose our respect for others differences. But we must be aware that there is a very real danger.

[Taltarzac725]

I think the problem lies in who is an extremist. Who is becoming more involved, becoming more "devout", becoming more radicalized?

To dismiss a problem summarily by being kind and accepting as we were taught to act and believe is right to act is dangerous. Therein lies the real trouble. It is wrong to group all people in with those who will kill you, but we have to have some means of where to look. I guess all profiling is suspect, but sometimes it is the only means at hand to work out where the danger is pointing. The CIA and the FBI look at certain places when they are looking for terrorists. It is something that being politically correct doesn't quite cover. We are hamstrung by our political correctness. We must be aware and cautious but not throw the baby out with the bath water. NOT lose our common sense.


I must admit that since 9/11 I am a lot more nervous around people who look Muslim to me but it is the terrorist who looks and acts like us who should be a big worry.

I do not travel to NYC very often though nor even to Orlando.

[RickeyD]

I think the problem lies in who is an extremist. Who is becoming more involved, becoming more "devout", becoming more radicalized?

To dismiss a problem summarily by being kind and accepting as we were taught to act and believe is right to act is dangerous. Therein lies the real trouble. It is wrong to group all people in with those who will kill you, but we have to have some means of where to look. I guess all profiling is suspect, but sometimes it is the only means at hand to work out where the danger is pointing. The CIA and the FBI look at certain places when they are looking for terrorists. It is something that being politically correct doesn't quite cover. We are hamstrung by our political correctness. We must be aware and cautious but not throw the baby out with the bath water. NOT lose our common sense. Not lose our respect for others differences. But we must be aware that there is a very real danger.



Our country is applauded by the Europeans because we have the greatest success in assimilating them into our culture. We need to continue as we have been rather then having them feel isolated as they are in Europe.

[Taltarzac725]

Our country is applauded by the Europeans because we have the greatest success in assimilating them into our culture. We need to continue as we have been rather then having them feel isolated as they are in Europe.

Developing relationships with people in these communities would help prevent future terrorist attacks as well. I have had a number of friendships with people from abroad whenever I have had that opportunity even if some of them did not work out all that well.

I have Facebook friends from all over the world now for instance. Part of my 224 613 Project to a certain extent but also like to see what these many people are thinking about many subjects.

I have mentioned my friend Mahmood Jergis Mohammad that I had while at the University of Denver Graduate School of Librarianship and Information Management. He was from the University of Mosul. I hung around with him and a small group of Muslims/Arabs from about a half dozen different Muslim countries. This was in 1983-1984. During the Iran-Iraq War. I did really hate some of the jokes about the Kurds I heard from this group though.

My friend probably now in 2016 would probably consider me an enemy if he survived the ISIS take over of Mosul. I had a correspondence with him for two years or so before he just became too full of hatred for the West.

[graciegirl]

Our country is applauded by the Europeans because we have the greatest success in assimilating them into our culture. We need to continue as we have been rather then having them feel isolated as they are in Europe.

We don't have the numbers of Muslims they have in Europe and it has been reported by all news stations after the last terrorist attacks in Belgium that the Muslim communities in Paris and London and Brussells isolate themselves.

I know that when I was involved in our church that invitations to involve the Mosque in area wide religious activities were not accepted. I think that people like to give all faiths the same virtues and behavior, but sometimes that is not true. To tell you the truth I was very surprised to see the Muslim person who was on stage last night at the Orlando vigil.

I would like to think and believe what you are presenting and I do not like war or violence, but my instincts tell me that there is a real danger from the Muslim EXTREMISTS that live here and everywhere.

[tbuthray]

I see most of the responses have totally missed the point of the question.

[RickeyD]

We don't have the numbers of Muslims they have in Europe and it has been reported by all news stations after the last terrorist attacks in Belgium that the Muslim communities in Paris and London and Brussells isolate themselves.



I know that when I was involved in our church that invitations to involve the Mosque in area wide religious activities were not accepted. I think that people like to give all faiths the same virtues and behavior, but sometimes that is not true. To tell you the truth I was very surprised to see the Muslim person who was on stage last night at the Orlando vigil.



I would like to think and believe what you are presenting and I do not like war or violence, but my instincts tell me that there is a real danger from the Muslim EXTREMISTS that live here and everywhere.



We are not disagreeing. I for one would have no problem taking up arms against anyone attacking us. We all need to distinguish who and what are the real threats, treat that alone so that the innocents are not affected. I don't like wasting ammunition.

[RickeyD]

I see most of the responses have totally missed the point of the question.



Not really.

[blueash]

No. BUT. Having lived near a Mosque for 22 years before moving here, I can make this observation. The Muslims who are bearded and who wear traditional clothing are usually more devout or radicalized if those words can fairly be interchanged.

No those cannot fairly be interchanged.

https://pibillwarner.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/untitled.jpg to see 9-11 terrorists

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/files/2015/11/Paris-terror-attacks-suspect.jpg Paris ringleader

https://www.fbi.gov/news/news_blog/image/fazul-abdullah-mohammed-deceased Tanzania embassy

http://www.trbimg.com/img-54026997/turbine/la-na-nn-fort-hood-shooter-islamic-state-20140830 Fort Hood

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1754747.1397375390!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_750/aptopix-boston-marathon-explosions-suspect.jpg Boston bombers

http://www.epictimes.com/12/08/2015/bank-records-show-large-deposit-to-syed-farooks-account-two-weeks-before-the-shooting/ San Bernadino

and of course Orlando

No or minimal beards, Western clothing. But some people form opinions, or pre-judge situations, despite evidence completely contradictory to their sincerely held personal observations. So religious garb may indicate religious but it does NOT indicate radicalized.

[graciegirl]

No those cannot fairly be interchanged.

https://pibillwarner.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/untitled.jpg to see 9-11 terrorists

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/files/2015/11/Paris-terror-attacks-suspect.jpg Paris ringleader

https://www.fbi.gov/news/news_blog/image/fazul-abdullah-mohammed-deceased Tanzania embassy

http://www.trbimg.com/img-54026997/turbine/la-na-nn-fort-hood-shooter-islamic-state-20140830 Fort Hood

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1754747.1397375390!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_750/aptopix-boston-marathon-explosions-suspect.jpg Boston bombers

http://www.epictimes.com/12/08/2015/bank-records-show-large-deposit-to-syed-farooks-account-two-weeks-before-the-shooting/ San Bernadino

and of course Orlando

No or minimal beards, Western clothing. But some people form opinions, or pre-judge situations, despite evidence completely contradictory to their sincerely held personal observations. So religious garb may indicate religious but it does NOT indicate radicalized.

I personally think that most are the better for having religious beliefs, and traditions, but I do not agree with those that think that infidels are better off dead.

Now you can say that Catholics are taught that it is a sin to use birth control, which is almost universally ignored, but one seems far more dangerous than the other. I will continue to use my marker for folks in Burqas, (sp) actually more because it appears to me to be a way to subjugate women. It offends me although I thought nothing of nuns dressing almost identically in my youth. We change. We have opinions and we debate. But most of us would never kill another unless they were trying to do terrible harm to themselves or their families.

[blueash]

I'm with Trump they dont want to live according to our ways leave dont come back.

Who gets to define "our ways"? Those pesky Amish, wearing clothes covering their bodies, speaking in a semi-English tongue, refusing to modernize instead practicing an 18th century faith, refusing to fight for America but still getting all the benefits. Those Jews wearing their beards and curly sideburns, refusing to dress like we do, asking for special privileges like their own holidays and litigating against "our" faith. And those pushy Catholics, insisting their interpretation of the Bible be the proper one, all the tax deductions they get and fighting birth control so they can take over by over-reproducing children just like the Mexicans (also they're Catholic, see proof). And those Native Americans, the worst. Demanding their own territories, refusing taxation, having all those casinos and no cigarette taxes. Especially those people. They should go back where they came from. and don't come back. And the Cubans, ruined Miami, and the Negroes.. nothing but trouble, one way boat ticket home for them.

It gets tricky unless I give you the right to separate the They from the Us. Sadly I think I'm in the They group if you get to do the separation

And so I ask, how many of these not like "us" people do you want to get rid of, and don't let come back? Gustav Emil Martin Niemöller suggests a successful plan is first get rid of Communists, then Socialists, then ...

[outlaw]

27,000+ MUSLIMS IN Orlando area.

[CFrance]

Who gets to define "our ways"? Those pesky Amish, wearing clothes covering their bodies, speaking in a semi-English tongue, refusing to modernize instead practicing an 18th century faith, refusing to fight for America but still getting all the benefits. Those Jews wearing their beards and curly sideburns, refusing to dress like we do, asking for special privileges like their own holidays and litigating against "our" faith. And those pushy Catholics, insisting their interpretation of the Bible be the proper one, all the tax deductions they get and fighting birth control so they can take over by over-reproducing children just like the Mexicans (also they're Catholic, see proof). And those Native Americans, the worst. Demanding their own territories, refusing taxation, having all those casinos and no cigarette taxes. Especially those people. They should go back where they came from. and don't come back. And the Cubans, ruined Miami, and the Negroes.. nothing but trouble, one way boat ticket home for them.

It gets tricky unless I give you the right to separate the They from the Us. Sadly I think I'm in the They group if you get to do the separation

And so I ask, how many of these not like "us" people do you want to get rid of, and don't let come back? Gustav Emil Martin Niemöller suggests a successful plan is first get rid of Communists, then Socialists, then ...
You are my new hero.

[Bogie Shooter]

27,000+ MUSLIMS IN Orlando area.


:shrug:

[outlaw]

Current news: Shooter was gay! So I guess it can't be a hate crime? I don't know. Can a black hetero killing another black hetero be accused of a hate crime? Could be just an attack on US citizens that happened to be at a gay bar because the shooter was hanging out at his "watering hole".

[graciegirl]

Who gets to define "our ways"? Those pesky Amish, wearing clothes covering their bodies, speaking in a semi-English tongue, refusing to modernize instead practicing an 18th century faith, refusing to fight for America but still getting all the benefits. Those Jews wearing their beards and curly sideburns, refusing to dress like we do, asking for special privileges like their own holidays and litigating against "our" faith. And those pushy Catholics, insisting their interpretation of the Bible be the proper one, all the tax deductions they get and fighting birth control so they can take over by over-reproducing children just like the Mexicans (also they're Catholic, see proof). And those Native Americans, the worst. Demanding their own territories, refusing taxation, having all those casinos and no cigarette taxes. Especially those people. They should go back where they came from. and don't come back. And the Cubans, ruined Miami, and the Negroes.. nothing but trouble, one way boat ticket home for them.

It gets tricky unless I give you the right to separate the They from the Us. Sadly I think I'm in the They group if you get to do the separation

And so I ask, how many of these not like "us" people do you want to get rid of, and don't let come back? Gustav Emil Martin Niemöller suggests a successful plan is first get rid of Communists, then Socialists, then ...

Just the ones that want Christians and Jews dead.

[outlaw]

You seem to be forgetting that the Orlando shooter was born in Queens. He was a US citizen and probably a closet gay.

"American-born children of immigrants proving fruitful recruiting ground for jihad in U.S.

While immigrants draw much of the attention, it’s their children who are proving to be the most fruitful recruiting ground for radical jihad in the U.S., accounting for at least half of the deadly attacks over the past decade.

The latest instance of the second-generation terrorist syndrome played out in Orlando, Florida, over the weekend when Omar Mateen, son of immigrants from Afghanistan, went on a jihad-inspired rampage, killing 49 people and wounding 53 others in the worst mass shooting in U.S. history."

We are now reaping what we have sown.

[Barefoot]

Just as the KKK doesn't represent all Christians, Muslim extremists don't represent all Muslims.

Who gets to define "our ways"? Those pesky Amish, wearing clothes covering their bodies, speaking in a semi-English tongue, refusing to modernize instead practicing an 18th century faith, refusing to fight for America but still getting all the benefits. Those Jews wearing their beards and curly sideburns, refusing to dress like we do, asking for special privileges like their own holidays and litigating against "our" faith. And those pushy Catholics, insisting their interpretation of the Bible be the proper one, all the tax deductions they get and fighting birth control so they can take over by over-reproducing children just like the Mexicans (also they're Catholic, see proof). And those Native Americans, the worst. Demanding their own territories, refusing taxation, having all those casinos and no cigarette taxes. Especially those people. They should go back where they came from. and don't come back. And the Cubans, ruined Miami, and the Negroes.. nothing but trouble, one way boat ticket home for them.

It gets tricky unless I give you the right to separate the They from the Us. Sadly I think I'm in the They group if you get to do the separation

And so I ask, how many of these not like "us" people do you want to get rid of, and don't let come back? Gustav Emil Martin Niemöller suggests a successful plan is first get rid of Communists, then Socialists, then ...
I admire the two posts above. I have no point to make, just some random thoughts.
Clearly, it's very wrong to hate a culture or religion because a few of the members are violent and hate our country.
Most Muslims are good and peaceful people. As a culture, I'd like to embrace them with open arms.
I learned earlier on this thread that Dr. Oz, who is admired by millions, is a Muslim.
Yet Muslin Extremists can be born in the USA and walk among us. They are not easily recognized.
I have to confess, I do look at Muslims who are flying on a plane with me to see if they're relaxed or agitated.

[outlaw]

I admire the two posts above. I have no point to make, just some random thoughts.
Clearly, it's very wrong to hate a culture or religion because a few of the members are violent and hate our country.
Most Muslims are good and peaceful people. As a culture, I'd like to embrace them with open arms.
I learned earlier on this thread that Dr. Oz, who is admired by millions, is a Muslim.
Yet Muslin Extremists can be born in the USA and walk among us. They are not easily recognized.
I have to confess, I do look at Muslims who are flying on a plane with me to see if they're relaxed or agitated.


"Oz described his philosophy to The New Yorker: "I want no more barriers between patient and medicine. I would take us all back a thousand years, when our ancestors lived in small villages and there was always a healer in that village."

Tip: A person who has made peace with his God, ready and willing to sacrifice his life may look relaxed and content right before....also could look agitated. Best to flip a coin.

[RickeyD]

"Oz described his philosophy to The New Yorker: "I want no more barriers between patient and medicine. I would take us all back a thousand years, when our ancestors lived in small villages and there was always a healer in that village."

Tip: A person who has made peace with his God, ready and willing to sacrifice his life may look relaxed and content right before....also could look agitated. Best to flip a coin.

Your supposition is ridiculous. I know you to be intelligent based upon your historical thread responses on TOTV. Why allow illogical emotions lead to less than intelligent responses on this one.

[outlaw]

Your supposition is ridiculous. I know you to be intelligent based upon your historical thread responses on TOTV. Why allow illogical emotions lead to less than intelligent responses on this one.

I sorta see Dr Oz as a snake oil salesman, but I may be wrong about that. That's just what I've concluded based on a few articles.

[Taltarzac725]

Fasting Muslims Donate Blood for Orlando Victims -- The Cut (http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/06/muslims-donate-blood-for-orlando-victims-during-ramadan-fast.html)

Here is an article on the point of the thread.

And another one-- After Orlando shooting, Muslim Americans show support for victims (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2016/06/12/orlando-nightclub-muslim-reaction/85790320/)

[outlaw]

Muhammad Ali Center holds blood drive | Metro Louisville - WLKY Home (http://www.wlky.com/news/local-news/louisville-news/muhammad-ali-center-holds-blood-drive/20633074)

This is a few years old.

What is your point?

[outlaw]

Fasting Muslims Donate Blood for Orlando Victims -- The Cut (http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/06/muslims-donate-blood-for-orlando-victims-during-ramadan-fast.html)

Here is an article on the point of the thread.

And another one-- After Orlando shooting, Muslim Americans show support for victims (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2016/06/12/orlando-nightclub-muslim-reaction/85790320/)

I believe that is the same muslim that was mentioned before. So far two articles on one muslim giving blood. There are over 27,000 muslims in Orlando.

[ColdNoMore]

Who gets to define "our ways"? Those pesky Amish, wearing clothes covering their bodies, speaking in a semi-English tongue, refusing to modernize instead practicing an 18th century faith, refusing to fight for America but still getting all the benefits. Those Jews wearing their beards and curly sideburns, refusing to dress like we do, asking for special privileges like their own holidays and litigating against "our" faith. And those pushy Catholics, insisting their interpretation of the Bible be the proper one, all the tax deductions they get and fighting birth control so they can take over by over-reproducing children just like the Mexicans (also they're Catholic, see proof). And those Native Americans, the worst. Demanding their own territories, refusing taxation, having all those casinos and no cigarette taxes. Especially those people. They should go back where they came from. and don't come back. And the Cubans, ruined Miami, and the Negroes.. nothing but trouble, one way boat ticket home for them.

It gets tricky unless I give you the right to separate the They from the Us. Sadly I think I'm in the They group if you get to do the separation

And so I ask, how many of these not like "us" people do you want to get rid of, and don't let come back? Gustav Emil Martin Niemöller suggests a successful plan is first get rid of Communists, then Socialists, then ...

You just pizzed off a whole rash of intolerant folks. :boom:


CONGRATS!!!!



:BigApplause:.....:BigApplause:.....:BigApplause:. .....:BigApplause:

[graciegirl]

In this world, we must warn the small children against those that would harm them and try to point out that mostly good people live in this world.

In this world, we must accept the fact that evil does exist and certain groups would like to see every American dead.

In this world with many differences, more here than in most countries, we still must identify those with harm as their goal and name them.

Define the problem. It is the shooter not the weapon that we should fear most.

[ColdNoMore]

Why allow illogical emotions lead to less than intelligent responses on this one.

Along those same lines, I am always astonished at the number of people who are so fearful and obsessed with being killed by some religious zealot.

When the truth of the matter is, statistically you are much more likely to die from one of the old drivers around here, that should have long ago had their licenses pulled.

Or a young driver.

Or ANY driver.

BUT, for some reason there is this inexplicable, outsized fear of these terrorists who have hijacked a religion to justify their barbarism.

And don’t anyone try and twist this to read that I think terrorism isn’t one of the most despicable acts that human beings can do to each other…because I do believe that.

Regardless of their stated justification.

BUT, given that you are MUCH more likely to die in an automobile (or numerous other situations as noted below), there is definitely something else besides common sense going on here. :shrug:

Obviously with this tragedy in Orlando these numbers will change (IF it was actually an extremist religious act and not just a hatred of gays and his own sexuality), but the basic point will not change enough to even be statistically meaningful.

So all of you overweight, obese and alcohol drinking folks out there that are terrified of Muslim/religious extremists, why aren’t you as concerned about what you keep shoving in your mouth and down your throat? :confused:

The Terrorism Statistics Every American Needs to Hear | Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization (http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-terrorism-statistics-every-american-needs-to-hear/5382818)

Wikipedia notes that obesity is a a contributing factor in 100,000–400,000 deaths in the United States per year. That makes obesity 5,882 to times 23,528 more likely to kill you than a terrorist.

The CDC says that some 80,000 deaths each year are attributable to excessive alcohol use. So you’re 4,706 times more likely to drink yourself to death than die from terrorism.

[Sandtrap328]

Right now I just need a hug from the Muslim people. I can't help but wonder, of all of the blood donors for the Orlando shooting, how many were Muslims?

How many of the posters from the Political Forum of TOTV were blood donors for the victims of the Pulse nightclub?

I do know that there were so many donors at The Villages Oneblood that extra help had to be called.

[Taltarzac725]

How many of the posters from the Political Forum of TOTV were blood donors for the victims of the Pulse nightclub?

I do know that there were so many donors at The Villages Oneblood that extra help had to be called.

I have donated 11.375 gallons now at One Blood since 2007.

I only know maybe 75 TOTVers in real life so I have no idea if I have seen any of these at any various blood donation centers.

I do post in the Political Forum and it should not be hard to tell that it is me. A lot of 224 613 Project related stuff.

Ramadan is for fasting I believe so donating blood would be a problem for a very strict Muslim. Donate blood during Ramadan | The National (http://www.thenational.ae/thenationalconversation/editorial/ramadan-is-the-best-time-to-save-lives)

I have heard of donors passing out if they have not eaten enough before donating. Why do people faint when getting blood drawn? | Physics Forums - The Fusion of Science and Community (https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/why-do-people-faint-when-getting-blood-drawn.252438/)

I am a rather loose Lutheran. I go to church when I feel like it. I do love visiting Cathedrals though.

[leftyf]

How many of the posters from the Political Forum of TOTV were blood donors for the victims of the Pulse nightclub?

I do know that there were so many donors at The Villages Oneblood that extra help had to be called.

Since I donate platelets every 2 weeks, I cannot donate to any blood drive, no matter what it is for. It would just delay my platelet donations.

My original thoughts on this threads were, IF the Muslims had showed up by the hundreds to donate blood to these gay victims, it would have sent a message to the ISIS terrorists that the Muslims support the US, not ISIS. That's the way to defeat ISIS, not by hiding them.

[Taltarzac725]

Since I donate platelets every 2 weeks, I cannot donate to any blood drive, no matter what it is for. It would just delay my platelet donations.

My original thoughts on this threads were, IF the Muslims had showed up by the hundreds to donate blood to these gay victims, it would have sent a message to the ISIS terrorists that the Muslims support the US, not ISIS. That's the way to defeat ISIS, not by hiding them.

It is Ramadan so it would be hard for a lot of Muslims to donate because they are busy fasting.

I would expect that Muslims donate blood as often as say Catholics, Jews, or Lutherans do. Blood donations: religious and non-religious are equally generous (http://www.patheos.com/blogs/epiphenom/2010/04/blood-donations-religious-and-non.html)

[outlaw]

Along those same lines, I am always astonished at the number of people who are so fearful and obsessed with being killed by some religious zealot.

When the truth of the matter is, statistically you are much more likely to die from one of the old drivers around here, that should have long ago had their licenses pulled.

Or a young driver.

Or ANY driver.

BUT, for some reason there is this inexplicable, outsized fear of these terrorists who have hijacked a religion to justify their barbarism.

And don’t anyone try and twist this to read that I think terrorism isn’t one of the most despicable acts that human beings can do to each other…because I do believe that.

Regardless of their stated justification.

BUT, given that you are MUCH more likely to die in an automobile (or numerous other situations as noted below), there is definitely something else besides common sense going on here. :shrug:

Obviously with this tragedy in Orlando these numbers will change (IF it was actually an extremist religious act and not just a hatred of gays and his own sexuality), but the basic point will not change enough to even be statistically meaningful.

So all of you overweight, obese and alcohol drinking folks out there that are terrified of Muslim/religious extremists, why aren’t you as concerned about what you keep shoving in your mouth and down your throat? :confused:

The Terrorism Statistics Every American Needs to Hear | Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization (http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-terrorism-statistics-every-american-needs-to-hear/5382818)

You forgot to mention that global climate change is the biggest threat to our security.

[outlaw]

It is Ramadan so it would be hard for a lot of Muslims to donate because they are busy fasting.

I would expect that Muslims donate blood as often as say Catholics, Jews, or Lutherans do. Blood donations: religious and non-religious are equally generous (http://www.patheos.com/blogs/epiphenom/2010/04/blood-donations-religious-and-non.html)

I would expect muslims to donate very little, if any, blood to help the LGBT community. But I only say that because of their track record towards LGBTs in muslim controlled countries. Not to mention the numerous videos of imams and muslim guest speakers, enjoying our freedom of speech, advocating death for LGBTs in our country.

[Taltarzac725]

I would expect muslims to donate very little, if any, blood to help the LGBT community. But I only say that because of their track record towards LGBTs in muslim controlled countries. Not to mention the numerous videos of imams and muslim guest speakers, enjoying our freedom of speech, advocating death for LGBTs in our country.

You do not know where your blood is going when you donate. It could go to anyone who needed it.

You are right that there is a very serious problem with hatred of gays within the Muslim religion but you will also find this hatred still in many parts of the United States.

Homophobia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homophobia)

[outlaw]

You do not know where your blood is going when you donate. I could go to anyone who needed it.

You are right that there is a very serious problem with hatred of gays within the Muslim religion but you will also find this hatred still in many parts of the United States.

Homophobia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homophobia)

I honestly don't see this hatred in "many parts of the US". I do see non-acceptance/disapproval of the lifestyle, to each his own.

[Taltarzac725]

I honestly don't see this hatred in "many parts of the US". I do see non-acceptance/disapproval of the lifestyle, to each his own.

Hate Crimes Against LGBT People Are Sadly Common | FiveThirtyEight (http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/hate-crimes-against-lgbt-people-are-sadly-common/)

Gays/lesbians have a rather high percentage of being victims/survivors of hate crimes in the United States.

Taking into account the relatively small size of the LGBT population, these numbers are even starker. According to an analysis by the Southern Poverty Law Center using FBI hate crime data and population estimates, LGBT Americans are targeted in hate crimes at 8.3 times the rate you’d expect based on the size of their population; that’s higher than the rate for both Jews (at 3.5) and black people (at 3.2).

[billethkid]

Hate Crimes Against LGBT People Are Sadly Common | FiveThirtyEight (http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/hate-crimes-against-lgbt-people-are-sadly-common/)

Gays/lesbians have a rather high percentage of being victims/survivors of hate crimes in the United States.

Doesn't take many events in an extremely small population to make a significant statistical incidence.

[outlaw]

Hate Crimes Against LGBT People Are Sadly Common | FiveThirtyEight (http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/hate-crimes-against-lgbt-people-are-sadly-common/)

Gays/lesbians have a rather high percentage of being victims/survivors of hate crimes in the United States.

That's because Attorney General Holder disallowed any prosecutions of hate crimes against white hetero men. Thus the FBI stats are worthless in this regard.

[outlaw]

In light of the orlando tragedy, and the discussions of "radicalization", I thought some would find this video interesting, and others may find it enlightening.

Norwegian Islamic Leader Fahad Qureshi: All Muslims Believe in Death Penalty for Homosexuals - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeC2OLv_Fhw)

[Taltarzac725]

In light of the orlando tragedy, and the discussions of "radicalization", I thought some would find this video interesting, and others may find it enlightening.

Norwegian Islamic Leader Fahad Qureshi: All Muslims Believe in Death Penalty for Homosexuals - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeC2OLv_Fhw)

Islam Net - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_Net)

OK. So that is a group in Norway that has those views. That does not follow then to say that all or even most Muslims in Orlando share these views.

[mickey100]

This is a little off subject but I know of no other religion that wants to kill the infidels (Christians us Americans) . It says it in their bible. So why the ---- are we supporting them. Maybe during the Crusades but who was fighting that . Christians and Muslims who is fighting now. I'm with Trump they dont want to live according to our ways leave dont come back.

Most Muslims do NOT want to kill the infidels. Just Ask Islam - Does Islam Say: "Kill The Infidels"? (http://www.justaskislam.com/32/does-islam-say-kill-the-infidels/) Only the extremists, who represent a tiny portion of the Muslim population in the world. As others have said, do not judge the whole religion by the actions of the few. I won't judge the Christian religion by the actions of the Christian right i.e. those who bomb abortion clinics and kill abortion doctors. And as far as hatred of gays by Muslims, do you really think the other religions are much better? A person who used to be a friend of ours is a big time Catholic. He is a racist bigot and hates gays. And he sings in the church choir and thinks he is really on high moral ground because he goes to Church so often. As far as I'm concerned, people that that are complete hypocrites.

Gays have been discriminated against for centuries by all cultures, including our own, and are only beginning to gain acceptance.

[graciegirl]

Most Muslims do NOT want to kill the infidels. Just Ask Islam - Does Islam Say: "Kill The Infidels"? (http://www.justaskislam.com/32/does-islam-say-kill-the-infidels/) Only the extremists, who represent a tiny portion of the Muslim population in the world. As others have said, do not judge the whole religion by the actions of the few. I won't judge the Christian religion by the actions of the Christian right i.e. those who bomb abortion clinics and kill abortion doctors. And as far as hatred of gays by Muslims, do you really think the other religions are much better? A person who used to be a friend of ours is a big time Catholic. He is a racist bigot and hates gays. And he sings in the church choir and thinks he is really on high moral ground because he goes to Church so often. As far as I'm concerned, people that that are complete hypocrites.

Gays have been discriminated against for centuries by all cultures, including our own, and are only beginning to gain acceptance.

Your friend Mickey...is a POS, but he didn't kill any gay people. AND there is no doctrine in The Baltimore Catechism that taught him to hate gays. AND yes I do. I think the other religions are much better in their teachings about homosexuality. No other one encourages death.

Thank God that science has unlocked the human genome and we can now see that a persons sexual orientation is born with them.

[mickey100]

Your friend Mickey...is a POS, but he didn't kill any gay people. AND there is no doctrine in The Baltimore Catechism that taught him to hate gays. AND yes I do. I think the other religions are much better in their teachings about homosexuality. No other one encourages death.

Thank God that science has unlocked the human genome and we can now see that a persons sexual orientation is born with them.

I guess you didn't read the link. Islam does not encourage death either, just the extremists. And yes, our former friend is a POS, but it was people like him that have killed others, in the supposed name of Christianity. From the crusades, to witch hunts, killing of native Americans, Christianity has a clear history of killing non-Christians.

[goodtimesintv]

One entry, among many on homosexuality, in the online, searchable Catechism of the Catholic Church.

See, especially, Section 2358:

Catechism of the Catholic Church (http://ccc.usccb.org/flipbooks/catechism/index.html#584/z)

[ColdNoMore]

I guess you didn't read the link. Islam does not encourage death either, just the extremists.

Not to mention that you also said.... "used to be a friend of ours" ...which makes it pretty clear that he's no longer your friend.

And although you didn't actually spell it out (maybe you need to for some folks?), anyone with average intelligence could have figured out why he was no longer your friend.

BTW, I have seen the same thing and had exactly the same experiences with some of my EX, hypocritical Christian friends. :thumbup:

[outlaw]

Most Muslims do NOT want to kill the infidels. Just Ask Islam - Does Islam Say: "Kill The Infidels"? (http://www.justaskislam.com/32/does-islam-say-kill-the-infidels/) Only the extremists, who represent a tiny portion of the Muslim population in the world. As others have said, do not judge the whole religion by the actions of the few. I won't judge the Christian religion by the actions of the Christian right i.e. those who bomb abortion clinics and kill abortion doctors. And as far as hatred of gays by Muslims, do you really think the other religions are much better? A person who used to be a friend of ours is a big time Catholic. He is a racist bigot and hates gays. And he sings in the church choir and thinks he is really on high moral ground because he goes to Church so often. As far as I'm concerned, people that that are complete hypocrites.

Gays have been discriminated against for centuries by all cultures, including our own, and are only beginning to gain acceptance.

"He is a racist bigot and hates gays." Translation: He thinks homosexual behavior is immoral.

[outlaw]

Your friend Mickey...is a POS, but he didn't kill any gay people. AND there is no doctrine in The Baltimore Catechism that taught him to hate gays. AND yes I do. I think the other religions are much better in their teachings about homosexuality. No other one encourages death.

Thank God that science has unlocked the human genome and we can now see that a persons sexual orientation is born with them.


When did science discover this "gay" gene?

"Samantha Allen at The Daily Beast pointing to the murky history of conclusive evidence for any genetic causation.
She writes: “If it’s hard to get excited about these studies, it’s because, at this point, biological explanations for homosexuality are like iPhones—a new one comes out every year.”

[graciegirl]

[/B]

When did science discover this "gay" gene?

"Samantha Allen at The Daily Beast pointing to the murky history of conclusive evidence for any genetic causation.
She writes: “If it’s hard to get excited about these studies, it’s because, at this point, biological explanations for homosexuality are like iPhones—a new one comes out every year.”

Just like Darwin's theory of Evolution being an accepted piece of scientific data so is a person is born with their sexual orientation.

[mickey100]

"He is a racist bigot and hates gays." Translation: He thinks homosexual behavior is immoral.

Translation - he hates blacks, and he hates gays.

[mickey100]

Not to mention that you also said.... "used to be a friend of ours" ...which makes it pretty clear that he's no longer your friend.

And although you didn't actually spell it out (maybe you need to for some folks?), anyone with average intelligence could have figured out why he was no longer your friend.

BTW, I have seen the same thing and had exactly the same experiences with some of my EX, hypocritical Christian friends. :thumbup:

Thank you - you nailed it ! Interesting you made the same choice in friends. My thought is, life is too short to deal with that type of hate. I like to be around positive, progressive people.

[outlaw]

Just like Darwin's theory of Evolution being an accepted piece of scientific data so is a person is born with their sexual orientation.

Darwin's theory is a theory, not data. Just like the big bang theory; also not data. As far as I know, in spite of huge efforts to find this gay gene, there is still no proof to this day.

[outlaw]

I am a Lutheran.

Wonder how many of these Muslim haters donated blood for anyone in the past thirty years or so?

I am acquainted with the first Member of Congress to become a Muslim. He was in the Class of 1990 and the University of Minnesota Law School. I was Class of 1989. A good man as I remember but with 250 people on average in each Law School Class there are many people in law school you just now by sight rather than well.

Remember, not all muslims are haters. I'm actually surprised you would use that phrase.

[Taltarzac725]

Remember, not all muslims are haters. I'm actually surprised you would use that phrase.

I am talking about haters of Muslims which is probably a very small group who call themselves Good Christians while doing so.

[Taltarzac725]

The 'gay Gene' Debate | Assault On Gay America | FRONTLINE | PBS (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/assault/genetics/)

The science is not there for a gay gene premise.

[ColdNoMore]

When did science discover this "gay" gene?


They haven't...yet.


That doesn't mean it doesn't exist however.


Do you by any chance recall at what age you were, when you made the conscious choice to be sexually attracted to the opposite sex and not the same sex?


Point made. :boom:

[villagerjack]

I am a Lutheran. I would have little desire to see Mecca, Medina or any other Muslim Holy Place except maybe Jerusalem.

Wonder how many of these Muslim haters donated blood for anyone in the past thirty years or so?

I am acquainted with the first Member of Congress to become a Muslim. He was in the Class of 1990 at the University of Minnesota Law School. I was Class of 1989. A good man as I remember but with 250 people on average in each Law School Class there are many people in law school you just now by sight rather than well. Rep. Keith Ellison: Being a Muslim in Congress Has Gotten Better | US News (http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2014/02/10/rep-keith-ellison-being-a-muslim-in-congress-has-gotten-better) Representative Keith Ellison is an African-American Muslim.

There is a sizable number of gays/lesbians/bi-sexuals graduating from the University of Minnesota Law School every year. Some of these might be in the closet though as there is still quite a lot of discrimination against them. It is still probably a lot harder to become a partner at a law firm if you are openly gay/lesbian or bisexual in the still very conservative legal profession.

Just how does one get the opportunity to descriminate against gays. Average person just dies not care. I saw a lot of gay people in my long business career and not a single instance of descrimination.

[RickeyD]

They haven't...yet.


That doesn't mean it doesn't exist however.


Do you by any chance recall at what age you were, when you made the conscious choice to be sexually attracted to the opposite sex and not the same sex?


Point made. :boom:



I remember being in love with Donna Reed at the age of 6 [emoji174]


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[Barefoot]

In light of the orlando tragedy, and the discussions of "radicalization", I thought some would find this video interesting, and others may find it enlightening.

Norwegian Islamic Leader Fahad Qureshi: All Muslims Believe in Death Penalty for Homosexuals - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeC2OLv_Fhw)
I don't often click on links, but I watched this video. Thought provoking.

[Barefoot]

Just how does one get the opportunity to descriminate against gays. Average person just dies not care. I saw a lot of gay people in my long business career and not a single instance of descrimination.
oic. :shocked:

[ColdNoMore]

I remember being in love with Donna Reed at the age of 6 [emoji174]


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Nancy Sinatra around 9. :D

[Taltarzac725]

They haven't...yet.


That doesn't mean it doesn't exist however.


Do you by any chance recall at what age you were, when you made the conscious choice to be sexually attracted to the opposite sex and not the same sex?


Point made. :boom:

Probably when I tried to kiss Sheila D. in 5th Grade.

[villagerjack]

oic. :shocked:

I guess I associated with people who really believed that no act of kindness, however small is appreciated. They walked the walk instead of talking the talk. Slogans are nice but only actions are meaningful.

[Taltarzac725]

Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender Pride Month | Law Library of Congress (https://www.loc.gov/law/help/commemorative-observations/pride.php)

This might be of some help with respect to employment discrimination against gays. The fear of A.I.D.S. probably sparked quite a bit of this in certain professions where blood might be exchanged like the medical fields.

LGBT employment discrimination in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_employment_discrimination_in_the_United_State s)

I knew a gay law librarian while at the University of Minnesota and he did seem to have some problems finding a job if he was open about his being gay. Nice man. He helped me a lot when I was going through painful realities at the American Association of Law Libraries summer convention in New Orleans in 1991. My problem was I wanted to be honest about my keen desire to help survivors/victims of crimes based on my personal experiences with the 2-24-1976 Michelle Mitchell murder investigation from February 28, 1976 through 1985 or so.

[ColdNoMore]

Just how does one get the opportunity to descriminate against gays.
Seriously?

There are a plethora of ways, both covert and overt to do it.


Average person just dies not care.

Sorry, but history says your wrong.

It's only been in recent years, that gays have made inroads into even coming close to some type of equality.


I saw a lot of gay people in my long business career and not a single instance of descrimination.

Wit all due respect, anecdotal observations doesn't mean it isn't/wasn't happening.

It could be that you either didn't want to notice it, or that it was so subtle that you didn't pick up on it.

[villagerjack]

Seriously?

There are a plethora of ways, both covert and overt to do it.




Sorry, but history says your wrong.

It's only been in recent years, that gays have made inroads into even coming close to some type of equality.




Wit all due respect, anecdotal observations doesn't mean it isn't/wasn't happening.

It could be that you either didn't want to notice it, or that it was so subtle that you didn't pick up on it.

Nonsense, I am not very naive, spending my entire business career in NY. Gays were always treated equally.

[Barefoot]

Seriously?

There are a plethora of ways, both covert and overt to do it.




Sorry, but history says your wrong.

It's only been in recent years, that gays have made inroads into even coming close to some type of equality.




Wit all due respect, anecdotal observations doesn't mean it isn't/wasn't happening.

It could be that you either didn't want to notice it, or that it was so subtle that you didn't pick up on it.

That's exactly what I was thinking, but you worded it better.

[Taltarzac725]

Hope people will consider donating blood, platelets, plasma, or red blood cells either here in the Villages or in their snow bird residence.

Been doing it since 1985 or so and I will admit I was trying to impress a girl-- Sandy McGee-- when I did. This was in Belmont, CA which is about 8 miles north of Stanford University close to El Camino Real.

Ran into the woman who looked quite a bit like a drawing I had done around 1975 which Mrs. Barbara Mitchell had seen at my art show at Earl Wooster High School in the Spring of 1976. Mrs. Barbara Mitchell told me it reminded her of Michelle Mitchell. Suspected California serial killer in prison most of life - Elkhart Truth (http://www.elkharttruth.com/news/michigan/2015/05/24/Judge-to-hear-health-report-on-suspected-serial-killer.html)

The woman that looked like the drawing of a model I did from some magazine was a salesperson at Information Access Company who donated blood as well.

Later in 1992 at the American Association of Law Libraries summer convention in San Francisco I ran into this woman from IAC while she was being mistaken by one of my U of MN Law School Class of 1989 Classmates for another one of my U of MN Law School Classmates who also oddly looked quite a bit like that drawing of the model in the magazine I did in 1975.

The law librarian at the San Francisco 1992 convention did figure out that this was just a doppelganger of our fellow U of MN Law School Class of 1989 member who would eventually become one of the top Immigration Lawyers in California. This now top Immigration Lawyer in 1986-1989 anyway seemed like a very caring and extremely intelligent lady. I worked along side her in Legal Assistance to Minnesota Prisoners (L.A.M.P.) when she had the office across the walkway from the LAMP Minnesota Correctional Facility--Stillwater office and I must admit I had a very serious crush on the woman because of this kindness and steel trap like mind. Wishing her the best in life still. The drawing though also had that affect on me as I saw that she looked like this 1975 model the first time I saw her in Professor Cound's Civil Procedure Class around September of 1986. Or maybe this was January of 1987. I cannot remember if the Civil Procedure Class was two Semesters or one and when it started the First Year of Law School. Curriculum & Requirements | University of Minnesota Law School (https://www.law.umn.edu/academics/degree-programs/jd/curriculum-requirements)

[ColdNoMore]

Nonsense, I am not very naive,

The facts suggest otherwise.



....spending my entire business career in NY. Gays were always treated equally.

Maybe, just maybe, in your little microcosm of the world you don't think you ever saw gays being discriminated against, but it most assuredly happened.

Did your company offer equal benefits and treat gay couples exactly as they did heterosexual couples?

Given the fact that gay couples could not legally marry in New York (thereby allowing a gay spouse equal rights) until 2011, your statement is false from the beginning.

[Taltarzac725]

The facts suggest otherwise.





Maybe, just maybe, in your little microcosm of the world you don't think you ever saw gays being discriminated against, but it most assuredly happened.

Did your company offer equal benefits and treat gay couples exactly as they did heterosexual couples?

Given the fact that gay couples could not legally marry in New York (thereby allowing a gay spouse equal rights) until 2011, your statement is false from the beginning.

Discrimination can be very subtle if you have very savvy people doing it. I faced a great deal of not very subtle and some that was while fighting for practical information for survivors/victims of crimes accessibility through or in libraries from January 1991 onward. This was while aggressively looking for work in any library from around Spring of 1991 through 2004 or so. After the SLAPP (Strategic Lawsuit Against Public Participation) Threat from the Palm Harbor Library General Counsel dated March 2, 2004 on behalf of Palm Harbor Library Director Gene Coppola; I just kind of threw in the towel. I was fighting for a link to the Florida Victim Services Directory from all kinds of FL libraries and I called out Gene Coppola for lying about this link's disappearance-- except via the Lemon Law web-site-- in many e-mails. I used to send out hundreds of e-mails every day on this 224 613 Project. And many were admittedly very strange because of the tactics I was facing from some people. We did move out of Palm Harbor, FL so the lawsuit threat became moot. We moved to the Villages in June of 2005.

The Florida Victim Services Directory probably had LGBT resources on it. Victim Services

Directory (http://myfloridalegal.com/directory)

I have mentioned this Directory here on-and-off since coming on TOTV in July 2007. You can get it easily by Googling "victim services and Florida" but libraries having this link would be a sign of welcome for survivors/victims of crimes including those of the LGBT community. Gary Corsair then a Villages Daily Sun reporter did a story on this passion of mine for the Directory and its link to Villages' area libraries on Memorial Day in 2007.

[outlaw]

Discrimination can be very subtle if you have very savvy people doing it. I faced a great deal not very subtle and some that was while fighting for practical information for survivors/victims of crimes accessibility through or in libraries from January 1991 onward. This was while aggressively looking for work in any library from around Spring of 1991 through 2004 or so. After the SLAPP (Strategic Lawsuit Against Public Participation) Threat from the Palm Harbor Library General Counsel dated March 2, 2004 on behalf of Palm Harbor Library Director Gene Coppola; I just kind of threw in the towel. I was fighting for a link to the Florida Victim Services Directory from all kinds of FL libraries and I called out Gene Coppola for lying about this link's disappearance-- except via the Lemon Law web-site-- in many e-mails. I used to sent out hundreds of e-mails every day on this 224 613 Project. And many were admittedly very strange because of the tactics I was facing from some people. We did move out of Palm Harbor, FL so the lawsuit threat became moot. We moved to the Villages in June of 2005.

The Florida Victim Services Directory probably had LGBT resources on it. Victim Services Directory (http://myfloridalegal.com/directory)

What discrimination did you face? What victim class are identifying with?

[graciegirl]

That's exactly what I was thinking, but you worded it better.

This whole issue is very complicated, and has something to do with our own sexual makeup and the very strong sexual urges that make it possible to continue the human race. Although intellectually and morally most heterosexuals understand homosexuality, many men in particular can't seem to overcome some form of repugnance with the feminine behavior of some gay men. I think on some deep level it is emotionally confusing and contradicts what they are wired to feel. Political correctness is an accepted form of behavior like the manners we are taught when we are uncomfortable or feeling upset or confused, we squelch our somewhat conflicted feelings and do and act how we have been taught is appropriate and kind.

I have never tried to explain my thoughts and feelings on this before and I mean no hurt or harm to my gay friends or to anyone. We all are what we are meant to be and we all must try to accept differences in each other on all levels and never hurt someone else if we can help it.

I think life is far less confusing and a little easier to live when our hormone levels drop as we age. (But not as much fun)

[Taltarzac725]

This whole issue is very complicated, and has something to do with our own sexual makeup and the very strong sexual urges that make it possible to continue the human race. Although intellectually and morally most heterosexuals understand homosexuality, many men in particular can't seem to overcome some form of repugnance with the feminine behavior of some gay men. I think on some deep level it is emotionally confusing and contradicts what they are wired to feel. Political correctness is an accepted form of behavior like the manners we are taught when we are uncomfortable or feeling upset or confused, we squelch our somewhat conflicted feelings and do and act how we have been taught is appropriate and kind.

I have never tried to explain my thoughts and feelings on this before and I mean no hurt or harm to my gay friends or to anyone. We all are what we are meant to be and we all must try to accept differences in each other on all levels and never hurt someone else if we can help it.

I think life is far less confusing and a little easier to live when our hormone levels drop as we age. (But not as much fun)

That is a wise post graciegirl.

I worked among gays/lesbians near San Francisco as well as in Minneapolis. I did get hit on way too often by a gay neighbor in Belmont in 1984-1986. He did make me quite uncomfortable. I bought some of his furniture because he was very hard up for money. He was from Guam and interesting to talk too except when hitting on me. I did get some respect though for what women have to put up with some men and their flirting and/or unwanted attention.

I am very comfortable talking to lesbian women but gay men is still another matter. It really depends on the individual gay man though. And often there is no way to tell that a man is gay unless he wants you to know he is.

I have enjoyed talking to the maybe five lesbian couples I have met here in the Villages since June 2005.

I had a false friend at the University of Minnesota Law School-- he was also an African American and bi-sexual-- who was quite a problem in my Third Year of Law School. His harassment and inside jokes were quite a lot to bear but he never had done anything bad enough to warrant an investigation and/or expulsion. He was the reason why one woman dropped out of law school in her First Year according to some friends in law school I talked to after I went to them about what I could and should do about his behavior.

[mickey100]

Seriously?

There are a plethora of ways, both covert and overt to do it.




Sorry, but history says your wrong.

It's only been in recent years, that gays have made inroads into even coming close to some type of equality.




Wit all due respect, anecdotal observations doesn't mean it isn't/wasn't happening.

It could be that you either didn't want to notice it, or that it was so subtle that you didn't pick up on it.

Well said. If you haven't "walked in someone's moccasins", you really have no idea what they're up against, whether it is gays, women, blacks, etc. The discrimination can be so subtle, yet so far reaching, it can have a profound impact on one's life.

[graciegirl]

People who hate are easily spotted. Perhaps they can't change. There are not solutions to all problems, sadly. Sometimes we cannot make laws, or enforce commandments already in place to make people behave respectfully to each other. Sometimes we all have to play the hand we're dealt. Overcoming adversity and challenges is the best way to get our points across and to make the world accept us and respect us and even love us.

I think if you read back twenty posts on anyone who posts on this forum, a picture emerges of their basic attitude. For some it is always negative, for some it is a know it all attitude. (That would be me)

[Taltarzac725]

People who hate are easily spotted. Perhaps they can't change. There are not solutions to all problems, sadly. Sometimes we cannot make laws, or enforce commandments already in place to make people behave respectfully to each other. Sometimes we all have to play the hand we're dealt. Overcoming adversity and challenges is the best way to get our points across and to make the world accept us and respect us and even love us.

I think if you read back twenty posts on anyone who posts on this forum, a picture emerges of their basic attitude. For some it is always negative, for some it is a know it all attitude. (That would be me)

You have a very positive attitude about the Villages, graciegirl. That's great.

I have enjoyed the almost eleven years we have lived in the Villages and it has been a quiet safe place to work on my 224 613 Project. And I believe I have made wonderful strides with this mainly because of my being here in the Villages. Google Taltarzac725 if anyone has forgotten about what this involves-- mainly the now 40 year murder investigation in the slaying of Michelle Mitchell near the University of Nevada, Reno on my birthday of 2-24-1976 when I was one of her mother Barbara Mitchell's teacher pets at Earl Wooster High School. It does look like they have the right suspect in Rodney Halbower now. City of Reno : Newsroom (http://www.reno.gov/Home/Components/News/News/11512/576?arch=1&npage=5) Halbower seems to be the main suspect in about 6 to 9 other murders as well in various states. Rodney Halbower charged in two of the 1976 California "Gypsy Hill" murders - CBS News (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/rodney-halbower-man-charged-in-two-of-the-1976-california-gypsy-hill-murders/)

In the summer of 2014, the Washoe County Crime Lab informed Detectives Fox and Bishop that there was a match to the DNA evidence samples from the homicides, and that the suspect was currently in custody in the Oregon State Prison System. The drive and tenacity of Detectives Fox and Bishop did not diminish with this discovery, rather, their pursuit of justice intensified.

It was discovered that Rodney Halbower had been convicted in multiple states of sexual assault related crimes, kidnapping and attempted homicide. Further, Detectives Fox and Bishop were able to conclusively determine that Halbower was in Reno at the time Michelle Mitchell was murdered.

On September 8, 2014, based on the new evidence and investigation done by Fox and Bishop, Cathy Woods was released from custody after serving nearly 35 years in a Nevada State Prison.

On January 21, 2015, Rodney Halbower was extradited from Oregon to the San Mateo, California jail where he is awaiting trial for two of the Gypsy Hill Murders. Vic Lee, a veteran Bay Area reporter said in a recent newscast that “it was the brilliant work and tenacity of cold case detectives, along with modern science that led to these cases being solved.”

I would also like to recognize members of the Washoe County Crime Lab, particularly Brittany Baguley, for their incredible forensic work in this investigation.

It is with great pleasure that I present the Reno Police Department’s Chief’s Commendation Medal to Detectives Allan Fox and Kathleen Bishop.

[quirky3]

Right now I just need a hug from the Muslim people. I can't help but wonder, of all of the blood donors for the Orlando shooting, how many were Muslims?

Muslim Organizations Raise Funds for Victims of Orlando Massacre - NBC News (http://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/muslims-organizations-raise-funds-victims-orlando-massacre-n593586)

[Taltarzac725]

Muslim Organizations Raise Funds for Victims of Orlando Massacre - NBC News (http://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/muslims-organizations-raise-funds-victims-orlando-massacre-n593586)

I am glad to see that.

The survivors/victims of this terrible crime as well as their family and extended family members as well as friends may need mental health support for decades because of the evil deeds of one man.

Some will probably never heal completely.

[ColdNoMore]

Muslim Organizations Raise Funds for Victims of Orlando Massacre - NBC News (http://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/muslims-organizations-raise-funds-victims-orlando-massacre-n593586)

Excellent! :thumbup:

[RickeyD]

Group hug !!!

[villagerjack]

Mickey said it all in this post. :thumbup:

Perhaps it also can be imagined. There are many insecure people in this world who blame their life circumstances and lack of success on something else other than their own shortcomings. They cannot prove anything so it is OVERT and HIDDEN. But perhaps it just not exist. When confronted, the name calling starts.

[TOTV Team]

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[outlaw]

Well said. If you haven't "walked in someone's moccasins", you really have no idea what they're up against, whether it is gays, women, blacks, etc. The discrimination can be so subtle, yet so far reaching, it can have a profound impact on one's life.

Tell me about it. I happen to be in the most persecuted group in recent history; white heterosexual male. And old to boot. I can hardly walk down the street without being profiled as a racist, bigoted, homophobic, grumpy old man. Oh well, that's life. Nobody said it was fair. I will wear my victimhood with pride, and will stand tall in the face of attacks, however subtle they my be. I will wear down my assailants by turning the other cheek until they finally give up.

[outlaw]

Do any of you know what's going on? CAIR has been linked to several anti american groups and even linked to funding/supporting terrorists organizations. How can so many seniors be so naive and clueless.

[RickeyD]

Do any of you know what's going on? CAIR has been linked to several anti american groups and even linked to funding/supporting terrorists organizations. How can so many seniors be so naive and clueless.



/// just testing to see if this thread got closed down yet [emoji15]

[RickeyD]

No problem on my side. :)



But to be ambushed and accused, totally out of the blue, you will understand if I only hug some people right? :D



Typically I respect my elders, even if they
go off on personal attacks. Just smile & walk away.

[ColdNoMore]

Typically I respect my elders, even if they
go off on personal attacks. Just smile & walk away.

You make a very good point. :thumbup:

[villagerjack]

Tell me about it. I happen to be in the most persecuted group in recent history; white heterosexual male. And old to boot. I can hardly walk down the street without being profiled as a racist, bigoted, homophobic, grumpy old man. Oh well, that's life. Nobody said it was fair. I will wear my victimhood with pride, and will stand tall in the face of attacks, however subtle they my be. I will wear down my assailants by turning the other cheek until they finally give up.

I agree with you completely except about wearing them down by turning the other cheek, which is construed as weakness by these insecure folks.