Here's your stimulus

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http://finance.yahoo.com/banking-budgeting/article/106487/The-Stimulus-Time-Machine

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http://finance.yahoo.com/banking-budgeting/article/106487/The-Stimulus-Time-Machine

Love this piece! Looks like Democratic social engineering to me, that way it was explained.

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That's pretty much what I always thought. They are going to grab as much as they can, move us as far left as they can as quickly as they can. It really has little to do with the recession but it does make for a perfect cover.

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I would ask those who seem to always want to discuss the financial crisis and purport to be experts to weigh in on this article.

As I have said many times, I am not even close to a financial guy, but in reading the link provided I am struck by...

1. Where is the "jolt" to the economy that the administration said we needed ?

2. How does this deferred type spending do anything for the economy in the near future ?

3. Is it a coincedence that the "jolt" could be received in time for the next Presidential election or am I being too callous ?

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This is my last response in the political forum - it is always you two or three in every political post - just your opinions multiple times over and over the same doom and gloom. I am out of the political forum. I notice a lot of people seem to feel that way. Enjoy talking to each other.

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This is my last response in the political forum - it is always you two or three in every political post - just your opinions multiple times over and over the same doom and gloom. I am out of the political forum. I notice a lot of people seem to feel that way. Enjoy talking to each other.

Sorry...I was told that this was an OPEN forum where even you can post your feelings.

If you think that I am part of a group that is restricting any input here, sorry....will back off and you can post.

Will be looking forward to reading !

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...I was told that this was an OPEN forum where even you can post your feelings.

"Feelings"...that's the problem. All the posters above are critical of the stimulus plan in the process of being approved. This forum would be a lot more interesting if the critics actually had some alternative ideas.

But asking for actual thought is a bit too much to ask it seems.

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"Feelings"...that's the problem. All the posters above are critical of the stimulus plan in the process of being approved. This forum would be a lot more interesting if the critics actually had some alternative ideas.

But asking for actual thought is a bit too much to ask it seems.



Tell you what VK...I will apologize to you for boring you and bothering you and will sign out of here for good.

Seems you ONLY like to discuss WHAT YOU WANT TO DISCUSS and most of that is pontificating....

Good luck with your lecture series and judgements !!!!!!!

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I have many ideas and put them in several of my posts but unfortunately they don't count. The Republications in congress have a few good one's but they seem to have lost their spines and will to fight. I think the article I posted speaks volumes.

Everyone here knows no one is going to change anyone's mind on this subject but I do enjoy political banter and I for the most part don't take any of this personally.

You think the left and right can go at it? You should see some of the motorcycle discussions on my other boards. My Harley is better than your Yamaha. Those guys make sport out of ripping each others mothers apart and seem to enjoy every minute of it.

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"Feelings"...that's the problem. All the posters above are critical of the stimulus plan in the process of being approved. This forum would be a lot more interesting if the critics actually had some alternative ideas.

But asking for actual thought is a bit too much to ask it seems.
If "actual thought" is solely measured by how money would be spent, sorry...

Yes, I am against bailouts for one main reason - it's all based on guesswork, not science.

Every proponent of bailouts has no precedent or science upon which to demonstrate that any bailout will actually accomplish anything other than increase debt. They are "estimating, projecting, forecasting, and crystal-balling" with a lot of money, and not a single person can provide any guarantees that any bailout will "save" the American public.

It's all a gamble, and the odds are unknown.

You are "for" bailouts, especially for the banking industry. Yet, in all of your posts, there are no guarantees that bailout money will do anything other than reward stupid decisions so that a select few can keep their jobs despite a work history of incompetence.

The concept of "we gotta do something, anything" is reactionary and fraught with danger. Acting irrationally usually causes more harm than good.

Sometimes, when you cannot demonstrate something will work, and especially if the costs are astronomical, the wiser decision is not to do the unproven thing/gamble.

....and my Harley is as good as both my Yamahas ever were!

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I think it’s interesting that Obama is trying so hard reaching across the aisle to the republications for support on the stimulus bill when he needs no votes in the house and only two votes in the senate to pass it. I would think if it’s such a right thing to do for our country and they are so sure it’s going to work, why not pass it leave the republicans in the dust?

When it works the way they say it will and no republication voted for it they could take all the credit and it would all but assure democratic election victories as far as the eye could see. Given his momentum and popularity it could even spell the end of the republication party as a whole for not supporting the very thing that pulled the economy back from the brink of disaster.

Why? Because they know it’s not going to work and it was never designed to pull us out of the recession and they don’t want the blame laid squarely at their feet. This needs to be bipartition!

Every day I read more and more commentary that suggests these trillions of dollars are not much more than a ploy designed to entrench government even deeper into the private sector.

If any republican senators or congressman are reading this, run away, run away fast.

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I think it’s interesting that Obama is trying so hard reaching across the aisle to the republications for support on the stimulus bill when he needs no votes in the house and only two votes in the senate to pass it. I would think if it’s such a right thing to do for our country and they are so sure it’s going to work, why not pass it leave the republicans in the dust?

When it works the way they say it will and no republication voted for it they could take all the credit and it would all but assure democratic election victories as far as the eye could see. Given his momentum and popularity it could even spell the end of the republication party as a whole for not supporting the very thing that pulled the economy back from the brink of disaster.

Why? Because they know it’s not going to work and it was never designed to pull us out of the recession and they don’t want the blame laid squarely at their feet. This needs to be bipartition!

Every day I read more and more commentary that suggests these trillions of dollars are not much more than a ploy designed to entrench government even deeper into the private sector.

If any republican senators or congressman are reading this, run away, run away fast.

As long as we remember in 2010 which Congresspersons voted for what - 75% of all Congressional incumbents need to find new work....

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I think it’s interesting that Obama is trying so hard reaching across the aisle to the republications for support on the stimulus bill when he needs no votes in the house and only two votes in the senate to pass it. I would think if it’s such a right thing to do for our country and they are so sure it’s going to work, why not pass it leave the republicans in the dust?

When it works the way they say it will and no republication voted for it they could take all the credit and it would all but assure democratic election victories as far as the eye could see. Given his momentum and popularity it could even spell the end of the republication party as a whole for not supporting the very thing that pulled the economy back from the brink of disaster.

Why? Because they know it’s not going to work and it was never designed to pull us out of the recession and they don’t want the blame laid squarely at their feet. This needs to be bipartition!

Every day I read more and more commentary that suggests these trillions of dollars are not much more than a ploy designed to entrench government even deeper into the private sector.

If any republican senators or congressman are reading this, run away, run away fast.
What would Ronnie have done (take your pick.... Ron Paul or Ronald Reagan)?

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500 million for STD prevention
4 billion to ACORN an organization being investigated in 12 states for voter fraud... Yes, that would be 4 BILLION

and the list goes on and on and on and on and on.

What does any of this have to do with creating jobs and stimulating the economy?

folks, we just got taken to the cleaners and their names are Obama, the democrats and the republications.

I want a do over.

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Geez.....

The whole world is in the crapper...Ireland that has the lowest corporate taxes, at least according to the talking heads, is in the crapper. I walked into Macy's in Buck head outside of Atlanta...nobody there.

We gave Citibank 45 million dollars and they bought a jet. Aren't they the same ones who are paying for naming rights to the tune of millions.

The banks took the money to shore up their balance sheets...not to unfreeze the credit market. They lend less now..... Now they want to shove all the bad paper down our throats....

Million dollar bonus's and office decor. These people are the real elitist

ENOUGH ALREADY....

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As long as we remember in 2010 which Congresspersons voted for what - 75% of all Congressional incumbents need to find new work....
:agree::agree:
Unfortunately, history shows we (the voters) have a short and selective memory. And those in office know it! barf

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Geez.....

The whole world is in the crapper...Ireland that has the lowest corporate taxes, at least according to the talking heads, is in the crapper. I walked into Macy's in Buck head outside of Atlanta...nobody there.

We gave Citibank 45 million dollars and they bought a jet. Aren't they the same ones who are paying for naming rights to the tune of millions.

The banks took the money to shore up their balance sheets...not to unfreeze the credit market. They lend less now..... Now they want to shove all the bad paper down our throats....

Million dollar bonus's and office decor. These people are the real elitist

ENOUGH ALREADY....You make a strong point for letting this economic chaos run its course without the Fed thinking they can fix it by chaotically throwing more and more and more money at it. 34 years as a psychiatrist and I have seriously underestimated the magnatude of greed in humankind. Greed that hits us right between the eyes (Bernie Madoff, Merrill Lynch's CEO and his 1400 dollar waste basket) or the more subtle form( being a political opportunist and USING the pain of a severe recession to push through a self-serving agenda). I now wonder if any decision makers can escape the the grasp of greed to make important decisions. Thus, maybe it is safer to do nothing and let economic forces (which I know little about)be what ultimately stabilizes our economy. Those that panic and say, "we must do SOMETHING" need to realize doing nothing is doing something.

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Even some of the dems aren't happy about it.

"Lawmakers are unhappy that the bill, passed by the House on Wednesday, contains billions of dollars for programs that arguably won't spark much job growth."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/01/29/senates-gang-poised-strike-stimulus/

So why then is Obama pushing it so hard for it? Alternative motives perhaps?

I think it will pass anyway but my hope is that not one republican will vote for it. We need to lay this rip-off of the American public stimulus package right where it belongs.