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Russ_Boston
02-09-2009, 12:09 PM
Not sure if this isn't too political but someone asked to start a poll of your current (or anticipated) yearly RETIREMENT income from all sources. Obviously there is no need to leave any reply - just reply to the poll if you wish to participate. This is to help wannabes determine the 'median' income of a representative portion of TV.

Note: Your ID is not shown so the results are blind.

Dirigo
02-09-2009, 01:00 PM
Hey Russ,

Thanks very much. I was stumbing around trying to figure out how to get a poll going and there it was, you'd already done it.

If anyone gets mad, I'll take the blame. It was my suggestion; don't get mad at Russ, please.

Dirigo

samhass
02-09-2009, 01:39 PM
OK...what constitutes "beyond rich"?

Russ_Boston
02-09-2009, 01:41 PM
You! :pepper2:

Seriously - just put that in to scare the others! I'd say over 150K per year in retirement income would qualify.

That would be 2K per month SS - 2K per month pension - and 2 million in investment stash earning 5% for the other 100K.

Dirigo
02-09-2009, 02:11 PM
Early results show that the Pareto principle is applicable to most situations.

Just over 80% of respondents have $85K or more in retirement income while 20% have less than $85K.

Responses may prove a different result after a time...so stay tuned!

Russ_Boston
02-09-2009, 02:24 PM
This would be exactly the opposite of the Pareto principle.

That principle states that 80% of wealth is controlled by 20% of the population. Here we have the majority of wealth being controlled by the majority of the population who cared to report. Which means that either people are exaggerating their income or TOTV has some people who knew how to save!! My bet is on the latter.

This can still only be used to get at median since the upper end might dramatically distort any attempt at average.

Dirigo
02-09-2009, 03:09 PM
Pareto principle...states that 80% of wealth is controlled by 20% of the population.

That was the original observation. Pareto's Principle has been, and is, used in many other ways as a rule of thumb. Also known as the 80/20 rule, as you probably know.

chelsea24
02-09-2009, 03:39 PM
Looks like that post with average income is running pretty true to form!

SteveFromNY
02-09-2009, 03:56 PM
This would be exactly the opposite of the Pareto principle.

That principle states that 80% of wealth is controlled by 20% of the population. Here we have the majority of wealth being controlled by the majority of the population who cared to report. Which means that either people are exaggerating their income or TOTV has some people who knew how to save!! My bet is on the latter.

This can still only be used to get at median since the upper end might dramatically distort any attempt at average.

As an observation, I'm guessing that the few who control the wealth won't be moving to TV. It was always my understanding that around 5% of the population controlled about 95% of the wealth. Think names from the Fortune Richest People Lists that get published. These folks buy compounds with walls around them, not homes in retirement communities.
Also, some general rules may apply across the entire population, but the population you are accessing with this poll is really very narrow. They are almost like the folks in the famous telephone poll done by some old presidential candidate (who lost). Apparently, people who had phones liked this guy, so he was predicted a winner. But when the voters turned out, it seemed the folks without phones outnumber and disagreed with the ones with phones. Was it Dewey? I don't recall.
Anyway, you are asking the folks who live in TV how much they do or expect to earn. So you've already eliminated the ones who can't afford it. And the ones who have their own tropical island!
And it ignores expenses. The folks earning $2k a month SS with no mortgage and who eats in every day may be better off than a snowbird with 2 mortgages and an income of $150K per year (The old:"It doesn't matter what you make, but rather what you spend").
All that said, it's an interesting poll. With the number of folks in the "Over $85K range", it would seem a little more granularity at the top end would show the distribution better. There's a lot of room between $85K and "Beyond Rich" in my book.
Anyway, thanks for posting the poll.

samhass
02-09-2009, 03:59 PM
For some seniors, income can be hugely variable over the years. If you have properties and sell them off over 5-10 years, you can have very large incomes one year and much less in another.
I'm glad to know we have 2 very rich totvr's. LOL
I did not put myself in that category. Income and net worth can be two entirely different animals.

Taj44
02-09-2009, 04:12 PM
It would be fun to see a further breakdown poll of the $85K+ category, say those with incomes of $85K - 150K.

Russ_Boston
02-09-2009, 08:46 PM
It's been a fun poll without getting anyone's feelings hurt. As Drigo pointed out the 80/20 rule usually works. And it does apply to the 95/5 as Steve mentioned as well. For example the world's three richest people have more money than the next 10 combined and so on and so on.

As Sam mentions net worth and income can be different depending on the stage that your investment is in. Also people who know how to spend well may live better in TV than someone who on the surface makes more money as Steve mentioned.

I think the early results show that we can all be happy in paradise. Life is what you make of it not how much you make.

Dirigo
02-09-2009, 09:54 PM
...people who know how to spend well may live better in TV than someone who on the surface makes more money as Steve mentioned...Life is what you make of it not how much you make.

Well said Russ...

chuckinca
02-09-2009, 10:16 PM
I know my mother lived in TV for nearly 20 years on less than $15K/Year (with paid medical and no mortgage).

Soo -

If people can do that and still have a great time, I would imagine bringing in $85K/Year or so provides unnecessary luxuries (New Beamers instead of 5 year old Grand Marquis', Two Carts instead of one, regular Championship golf instead of Executive, Diner out every other night instead of twice a week, etc, etc, etc).

zcaveman
02-09-2009, 10:28 PM
This is a very unqualified poll. It does not restrict the question to the retirees of the Villages.

It asks "What is your current or projected income from all sources". This no way reflects the income of the RETIRED members of TOTV. Wannabes or semi-retired members have a different level of income than those that are fully retired and living on pensions, SS and annuities.

If Russ is trying to find out what the annual income of the fully retired people of TV is, this is not the poll. If that is what Russ is after he should make it clear as to what he wants so that only the fully retired members respond.

If this is not what he wants, why the poll? We already have those inflated numbers.

Z

Muncle
02-10-2009, 03:01 AM
This is a very unqualified poll. It does not restrict the question to the retirees of the Villages.

It asks "What is your current or projected income from all sources". This no way reflects the income of the RETIRED members of TOTV. Wannabes or semi-retired members have a different level of income than those that are fully retired and living on pensions, SS and annuities.

If Russ is trying to find out what the annual income of the fully retired people of TV is, this is not the poll. If that is what Russ is after he should make it clear as to what he wants so that only the fully retired members respond.

If this is not what he wants, why the poll? We already have those inflated numbers.

Z

I was going to say something quite similar -- in a much more diplomatic, friendly, and understanding manner, of course ---- not being critical, Z. Homey don't do that stuff. ---- As I and others have pointed out innumerable times (tho thy likely are numerable, but who cares) with our mixture of homeowners here in TV, it is impossible to get meaningful estimates re income. But we've beaten that :0000000000luvmyhors to death, even without a decent card room to which we can retire.

As to why the poll, why not. Many people seem to be enjoying the poll and the jawboning. As our old friend Lazarus Long described religion: " . . . like dandruff, most people do have a religion and spend time and money on it and seem to derive considerable pleasure from fiddling with it." What's the harm and it's likely keeping some of us out of trouble.

captain1202
02-10-2009, 03:24 AM
Let's take the poll a year from now and see if there are any changes.

Russ_Boston
02-10-2009, 07:09 AM
Z, Muncle - You are both exactly right.

In my mind I said 'yearly income from all retirement sources of income' but that is not what I wrote.

When I picked my bracket that is what I did.

I would think that most people put down what they make or will make in retirement but maybe regular folk put down what they make now.

KathieI
02-10-2009, 08:22 AM
Gee, I just hope that one of the 5 in "Beyond", is a single guy, looking for a fun loving woman from da Bronx, who loves to give parties and has a few Schnauzers!!! Wonder who that woman would be? Oops have I changed this thread into a "Looking for Love" thread?? Well, to get it back on track, Tony, so you won't yell at me,,,,, I aint talking about my income!! No Way, don't wanna look lately.

KayakerNC
02-10-2009, 08:50 AM
Given current economic conditions, I am thankful just to have an income.
How much is it?
MYOB!:a040:

JoC
02-10-2009, 08:54 AM
Hmmmm, I wonder if Mr. Morse took the poll and had to vote for "beyond rich" several times since he's way, way, way, way, way beyond rick:1rotfl:

Russ_Boston
02-10-2009, 08:55 AM
MYOB!:a040:

I can respect that.

The poll doesn't have names though. Just trying to gauge what amount it takes to live in TV and show wannabes that it can be done at all levels.

dgammon6
02-10-2009, 09:38 AM
On the Virginia Trace web page, under the heading, " How Big is the Villages", it says the average recession proof income is $81,000.

KayakerNC
02-10-2009, 10:02 AM
The poll doesn't have names though. Just trying to gauge what amount it takes to live in TV and show wannabes that it can be done at all levels.

The MYOB was spoken with tongue firmly in cheek. ;)

I've been tempted to send those warranty cards that you get with near any purchase nowadays, back with some very high income number....just to get a better class of advertising mail.

Russ_Boston
02-10-2009, 10:05 AM
DG - Actually it says: "
The average Villages’ household has a recession proof income of $81,480. "

This doesn't mean that a recession proof income, globally, is 81K. In fact that term 'recession proof' is completely silly to an economist. I think what is meant is that the average Villager's income is more fixed since they may not be working and isn't AS subject to the economy's cycles.

KayakerNC
02-10-2009, 10:32 AM
DG - Actually it says: "
The average Villages� household has a recession proof income of $81,480. "

This doesn't mean that a recession proof income, globally, is 81K. In fact that term 'recession proof' is completely silly to an economist. What if that person (family) loses a job due to the recession? etc. etc.

I think what is meant is that the average Villager's income is more fixed since they may not be working and isn't AS subject to the economy's cycles.

I think the "recession proof" refers to incomes that have a COLA component, like SS and some pensions. Fixed income is not so good in inflationary cycles, or when the dollar loses value.:mornincoffee:

Russ_Boston
02-10-2009, 10:41 AM
That's why I'm not an economist;)

Dirigo
04-11-2009, 06:00 PM
bump

BobKat1
04-11-2009, 06:49 PM
Sperlings Best Places shows the Median Household Income in TV is $46,984. That means 1/2 the hh's are above that and 1/2 below. Does that sound about right?? I know a lot of retirees who take just what they need to live on from their assets each year. It can go up and down each year depending on their needs.

interested
04-11-2009, 07:33 PM
It would be interesting to see the retirement income of those who live in TV year around and are truly retired. Snowbirds should have a separate poll as they are maintaining two households. People not yet retired also might send a skewed result.

bsliny
04-11-2009, 08:20 PM
I think you better find a hobby or something seems like you have to much time
on your hands

Russ_Boston
04-11-2009, 09:40 PM
Who? I assume you mean me since I started the thread.

bsliny
04-11-2009, 10:24 PM
IF The Shoe Fits

chuckinca
04-12-2009, 12:59 AM
bsl -

We're retired, we have time to waste.

Chill bro

katezbox
04-12-2009, 07:20 AM
I think you better find a hobby or something seems like you have to much time
on your hands

Still don't know who this was directed at. Just MHO but learning about a place where you will invest a good portion of your life savings and live much of the time you have left in doesn't strike me as a waste of time.

Kate

PS - I may be one of the ones who distorted the poll - as we will not be retried when we move to TV.

Russ_Boston
04-12-2009, 08:01 AM
IF The Shoe Fits

Not that I need to justify my time but here goes:

I'm in my last semester of nursing school as I'm preparing to become an RN and work at TVRH

I have 7 hours of classroom lecture time and two 7 hour nights of hospital clinical rotation each week not to mention the 45 minute commute back and forth into Boston to the hospital.

During the week I have a normal full-time professional job as an IT manager working 6:30 to whenever each day. I'll be retiring from this in about 2 years when I switch to RN full-time.

I play golf whenever my time and the weather permits.

I run 3-5 miles most days of the week (I'll admit school has put a bit of a damper on that).

And yep I can still find some time to chat with my Villages friends and learn about the place I'm going to call home for the rest of my life.

I guess I'm just great at multitasking!

ajdeck
04-12-2009, 09:34 AM
Not sure if this isn't too political but someone asked to start a poll of your current (or anticipated) yearly RETIREMENT income from all sources. Obviously there is no need to leave any reply - just reply to the poll if you wish to participate. This is to help wannabes determine the 'median' income of a representative portion of TV.

Note: Your ID is not shown so the results are blind.


This was one of the greatest idea's, thanks for the help - WE all can benefit from it.

aj

Dirigo
04-12-2009, 02:47 PM
I think you better find a hobby or something seems like you have to much time
on your hands

As the old saying goes, if you want something done, ask as busy person because they'll find a way to get it done.

This poll was my idea. Russ started this thread because I didn't know how to do a poll (still don't). Thanks Russ.

The poll was an attempt to get a better idea about actual incomes of Villagers compared to claims by the developer in their advertising.

I'm also the one who bumped it to get more poll results.

I agree with katezbox "learning about a place where you will invest a good portion of your life savings and live much of the time you have left in doesn't strike me as a waste of time".

I understand that money is a very personal subject, and talking about income can be offensive to many folks. But I, for one, don't want to live in a place where I'm a lot richer or poorer than the average resident.

I now know that we'll fit very nicely in TV, and I find that comforting and reassuring.

Thanks again to Russ for starting this poll.

Dirigo

Dirigo
01-01-2010, 09:43 PM
bump

memason
01-02-2010, 04:38 AM
Russ.....Thanks for posting the poll. This supports a thread I started yesterday concerning some advertised statistics for Villagers' income levels. As a wannabe, it's difficult to determine just how much is enough, when taking the retirement plunge. In the end, it's all about the lifestyle you plan to lead and whether you have more money than month or vice versa.

Dirigo
09-08-2010, 11:47 AM
bump

graciegirl
09-08-2010, 12:15 PM
Looks like those previously published figures were right.

kentucky blue
09-08-2010, 12:35 PM
The only people "beyond rich" living in TV are the Morse family.$150,000 a year is nice, but i don't believe that qualifies as great wealth.Of course, if the real estate market continues to tank,$150,000 is going to look better and better.

Skip2MySue
09-08-2010, 01:08 PM
Not that I need to justify my time but here goes:

I'm in my last semester of nursing school as I'm preparing to become an RN and work at TVRH

I have 7 hours of classroom lecture time and two 7 hour nights of hospital clinical rotation each week not to mention the 45 minute commute back and forth into Boston to the hospital.

During the week I have a normal full-time professional job as an IT manager working 6:30 to whenever each day. I'll be retiring from this in about 2 years when I switch to RN full-time.

I play golf whenever my time and the weather permits.

I run 3-5 miles most days of the week (I'll admit school has put a bit of a damper on that).

And yep I can still find some time to chat with my Villages friends and learn about the place I'm going to call home for the rest of my life.

I guess I'm just great at multitasking!

Hey Russ,
Thanks for your effort setting this up to help make us just a little bit smarter. With over 4,000+ hits it seems to be paying dividends.:BigApplause:
Skip 2

aljetmet
09-08-2010, 03:52 PM
You! :pepper2:

Seriously - just put that in to scare the others! I'd say over 150K per year in retirement income would qualify.

That would be 2K per month SS - 2K per month pension - and 2 million in investment stash earning 5% for the other 100K.

And what is the breakdown of stocks and bonds for a 5% return. I'm going nuts trying to figure it out. I don't have $2 million... shucks...
I just don't like the idea of annuities; maybe the TV investment club will convince me otherwise me when I become a frog....

islandgal
09-08-2010, 04:04 PM
Russ -
With some of the homes being built now, $500,000 to $1,000,000, it might be a good idea to add several choices:
------$85,000-$100,000
------Above $100,000

Pturner
09-08-2010, 08:19 PM
Fumar posted 15 times!

KARENNN
09-08-2010, 09:29 PM
"truly retired" AND "beyond rich income"...must be that guy in TV who got the one million dollar scratch off ticket a couple weeks ago!
IMHO if you are retired, have a pension, and get social security you are pretty lucky no matter how much it is! :clap2:

Russ_Boston
09-08-2010, 09:58 PM
Obviously when I put a category "Beyond rich" I realized that over 85K doesn't qualify as that. I was a little tongue in check with that to bust a few of the current posters of that time.

I have met TVers who have many, many millions in the 'bank'. I have met TVers who live on little more than SS money. Most people I have met are somewhere in between.

The vast, vast majority of 'retired' individuals can afford TV. Polls like this are just for the fun of it.

2 Oldcrabs
09-09-2010, 06:18 AM
As a wantabe I am interested in what income fulltime residents have. Projected income is just that! Before I retired my projected income was much higher than it is now. Down fall of the stock market and 1% CD rates are the culprit! Still 10 years from collecting SS.

graciegirl
09-09-2010, 06:55 AM
As a wantabe I am interested in what income fulltime residents have. Projected income is just that! Before I retired my projected income was much higher than it is now. Down fall of the stock market and 1% CD rates are the culprit! Still 10 years from collecting SS.

Then years away from collecting SS? Than you are a young crab!:1rotfl:


And...you never sound like a crab to me, young or old!:coolsmiley:

AND you are right, most of us have had a financial downturn in the last few...sigh.

rhsgypsylady
09-09-2010, 09:52 AM
Food for thought...........

I've never understood the expression "retirees are on fixed incomes". Sure they draw an established amount from SS and if fortunate to have worked for a company with pension benefits they draw an established amount from that pension. And yes those drawing SS benefits usually get an annual COLA increase. And those retirees (59 1/2+) who have annuities, IRAs, 401ks, or some other type savings or investment usually can draw out any amount they choose at anytime they choose.

I don't get it. Aren't those who are employed and paid a "salary" as opposed to being paid hourly, commission, additional jobs, etc. also on fixed incomes? I know I am. Because I am not 59 1/2, I do not have the luxury of withdrawing from 401k, IRAs, and annuities, etc. I get paid a set annual salary and my paycheck is the same week in and week out. That is what I call "fixed income", especially when raises are scarce and percent is minimal.

I agree those not retired (and even some who are) have the advantage wherein they can get a better paying job, a part-time job, a 2nd job, etc. if they choose to do so. This means, their incomes could be flexible, not fixed.

For me, I consider myself on a fixed income while I am working and not so fixed when I retire.

getdul981
09-09-2010, 11:02 AM
Our income has been "fixed" for the past 2 years and it looks like it will be for the next year at least too. There have not been any COLA increases because according to the powers that be there has not been any increase in the cost of living. I would like to know where they get their data. All our bill have increased over the past 2 years and it appears that there is no end in sight.

zcaveman
09-09-2010, 11:04 AM
Food for thought...........

I've never understood the expression "retirees are on fixed incomes". Sure they draw an established amount from SS and if fortunate to have worked for a company with pension benefits they draw an established amount from that pension. And yes those drawing SS benefits usually get an annual COLA increase. And those retirees (59 1/2+) who have annuities, IRAs, 401ks, or some other type savings or investment usually can draw out any amount they choose at anytime they choose.

I don't get it. Aren't those who are employed and paid a "salary" as opposed to being paid hourly, commission, additional jobs, etc. also on fixed incomes? I know I am. Because I am not 59 1/2, I do not have the luxury of withdrawing from 401k, IRAs, and annuities, etc. I get paid a set annual salary and my paycheck is the same week in and week out. That is what I call "fixed income", especially when raises are scarce and percent is minimal.

I agree those not retired (and even some who are) have the advantage wherein they can get a better paying job, a part-time job, a 2nd job, etc. if they choose to do so. This means, their incomes could be flexible, not fixed.

For me, I consider myself on a fixed income while I am working and not so fixed when I retire.

Fixed Income - I am on a fixed income. I will never see another raise or a promotion. I do not get COLA from my retirement pension. I only get COLA from SS and we did not get a COLA this year nor are we expected to get one next year. Besides COLA is usually about 1% and does not even cover the increases in Medicare and other Healthcare costs - not to mention the increases across the board in food, gas, etc. Yes I do have an annuity and a 401K that I can draw from but I prefer to hold those until I really need them. I do not consider them annual funds at this point - just the way you probably don't consider your savings account annual income.

Drawing from 401ks, IRAs, and annuities is not a luxury. They do run dry so you have to be very careful about accessing them.

Plan ahead and be VERY CAREFUL because until you join the ranks of the retired you will probably never be able to understand what fixed income really means.

Z

pzjay
09-09-2010, 05:57 PM
Not that I need to justify my time but here goes:

I'm in my last semester of nursing school as I'm preparing to become an RN and work at TVRH

I have 7 hours of classroom lecture time and two 7 hour nights of hospital clinical rotation each week not to mention the 45 minute commute back and forth into Boston to the hospital.

During the week I have a normal full-time professional job as an IT manager working 6:30 to whenever each day. I'll be retiring from this in about 2 years when I switch to RN full-time.

I play golf whenever my time and the weather permits.

I run 3-5 miles most days of the week (I'll admit school has put a bit of a damper on that).

And yep I can still find some time to chat with my Villages friends and learn about the place I'm going to call home for the rest of my life.

I guess I'm just great at multitasking!

Fantastic,Russ. We'd be proud to be able to do half of that. Glad you replied to bsliny! We LOVE your posts and always follow them. We'd be honored to have you as a neighbor and PERHAPS will when we move in 2011!:sigh:

Russ_Boston
09-09-2010, 09:14 PM
Thanks for the kind words - I forgot about that rant.

That was over a year ago.

To update: I've since graduated from nursing school, got my RN license, bought my lot in TV, work part-time as an RN every weeknight after my full-time IT job. Still looking to move down perm sometime in 12. Haven't run much but I need to:)

c you then!

homeball
09-10-2010, 08:36 AM
The poll does not differentiate between part time and full time TVers. I suspect that most of the folks 85K and over are snow birds etc still working their full time jobs some where else. What would be interesting is a poll of full time TVers showing what they truly are living on here, whether they're working here or not.

memason
09-10-2010, 09:29 AM
The poll does not differentiate between part time and full time TVers. I suspect that most of the folks 85K and over are snow birds etc still working their full time jobs some where else. What would be interesting is a poll of full time TVers showing what they truly are living on here, whether they're working here or not.

It's easy to create a poll and post it. That way, you can get the stratified data you seek. I'm sure you'll get lots of responders....

Cheers....

aljetmet
09-10-2010, 09:34 AM
The poll does not differentiate between part time and full time TVers. I suspect that most of the folks 85K and over are snow birds etc still working their full time jobs some where else. What would be interesting is a poll of full time TVers showing what they truly are living on here, whether they're working here or not.

I thought the poll was to reflect retirement income only ie not to include any money received from wages. I count SS, pension and 4% of our retirement nest egg.
We all spend our money in such different ways that it's almost a non factor to compare incomes of any two families or individuals.
How often do you see the very rich drive a simple sedan and others drive cars way over their means?

Thus far almost two thirds that have responded are below the $85 K figure.

If wages are excluded then the poll is somewhat meaningful...

hdh1470
09-10-2010, 01:30 PM
Well Said

Pturner
09-10-2010, 01:48 PM
I thought the poll was to reflect retirement income only ie not to include any money received from wages.

Aljetmet,
You might be right, and I might not have answered it correctly when I selected a choice in the poll last year.

In his initial post, Russ states, "...someone asked to start a poll of your current (or anticipated) yearly RETIREMENT income from all sources."

However, the poll question itself states, "What is your current or projected yearly income from all sources?" (It doesn't specify just retirement sources.)

So, different people might have interpreted the question differently.

However, as you also point out, different people in TV have different spending habits. So when it comes to being able to afford to live here... it depends.

getdul981
09-10-2010, 01:57 PM
When I voted, I voted for our total annual spendable income not including any investments, which as we all know may or may not generate income; and if it does, it may not be spendable.

Taj44
09-10-2010, 02:19 PM
The question asked is: what is your yearly income from ALL sources. I included my pension, income from investments (that I don't spend, but its still income), etc.

hdh1470
09-10-2010, 05:55 PM
Should start again and retired only respond

Yoda
09-10-2010, 06:17 PM
Should start again and retired only respond

:agree:

Yoda

Yoda
09-10-2010, 06:18 PM
The question asked is: what is your yearly income from ALL sources. I included my pension, income from investments (that I don't spend, but its still income), etc.

You have investments that make money? WOW!

Yoda

Barefoot
09-10-2010, 10:25 PM
Also, many retirees Are seasonal residents and have more than one home to afford.

zcaveman
09-11-2010, 06:27 AM
I think that it will be kind of hard to narrow an Income poll to get the results everyone is looking for.

I suspect that some want to see the spendable retirement income (not including 401Ks, annuities, etc that they are not drawing on) for fully retired 12 month a year Villagers.

I also think that some want to see the spendable retirement income (not including 401Ks, annuities, etc that they are not drawing on) for fully retired seasonal residents.

And then there are those that want to see the spendable retirement income (not including 401Ks, annuities, etc that they are not drawing on) for semi retired Villagers.

Since I am in the first group, that is what I would like to see. But there are those in the other two groups that might like to see the other results for their own situation.

And would you want the adjusted gross income or the taxable income from the latest 1040? Or what?

Whoever sets up the poll must define the criteria for the poll so that there are no misleading results.

getdul981
09-11-2010, 06:41 AM
It just boils down to the fact that you just can't make everybody happy. I personally, think the poll is very interesting, but then you never know whether whoever voted was honest in their vote or not. I also think it's interesting that there have been over 6000 views and only 280 votes.