Speeding

[Madelaine Amee]

We could pay for a police force out of speeding tickets!

I have just returned from business on 441 and came back into TV through El Camino Real. I have what the family liked to refer to as a "lead foot" when I drive, I was overtaken by almost every car driving the left lane. Most of the traffic was doing close to 50mph, if not more.

If the local police stationed unmarked cars at strategic places through that piece of road, and maybe include BV to 466, we could pay for our police force.

We complain about snowbirds and their driving, but we are becoming just as bad.

[Gpsma]

In The Villages I would worry more about drunk driving and age related impaired driving than someone who just drives fast.

[outlaw]

We could pay for a police force out of speeding tickets!

I have just returned from business on 441 and came back into TV through El Camino Real. I have what the family liked to refer to as a "lead foot" when I drive, I was overtaken by almost every car driving the left lane. Most of the traffic was doing close to 50mph, if not more.

If the local police stationed unmarked cars at strategic places through that piece of road, and maybe include BV to 466, we could pay for our police force.

We complain about snowbirds and their driving, but we are becoming just as bad.

And how fast were you driving??? :smiley:
Actually, 45-50 mph sounds like a reasonable speed for a four lane divided roadway with no pedestrian traffic and only a couple of intersections like Camino Real.

[Inexes@aol.com]

And I agree with Outlaw... 100%..... 35 mph is too slow.... BUT... that is the speed limit and the law.. and not obeying it will cost you, big time !!!! And, understanding human nature, if we could talk them into changing it to 45 or 50..... then those that are speeding now, will be going 60-70 mph.....

[photo1902]

And I agree with Outlaw... 100%..... 35 mph is too slow.... BUT... that is the speed limit and the law.. and not obeying it will cost you, big time !!!! And, understanding human nature, if we could talk them into changing it to 45 or 50..... then those that are speeding now, will be going 60-70 mph.....

Not to mention the Street Legal cart crowd kicking and screaming.

[golfing eagles]

Not to mention the Street Legal cart crowd kicking and screaming.

OK, I'll get some blow back for this, but.....
I find the concept of street legal arts to be idiotic. What do you gain? The legal ability to drive your cart at 25 instead of 20? And to do so you have to get out in the same lanes of traffic with vehicles 10x your weight going 35+. Ever observe the attitudes of some (not all) of these LSV drivers? It appears that they are out there with their "right" to use the same lanes you do and shoving it down your throat. It's kind of a passive-aggressive giant middle finger. Can and do some LSVs go over 25 just as regular carts go over 20---I'm sure they do, but I can only assume if they get in an accident the insurer will check to see if over 25 is possible and deny coverage, just as they do with other carts. If you want to go faster, take your car.
Personally I think 35 is fast enough on the major roads, but sometimes it's easy to drift up over 40 if your not watching the speedometer because the conditions are more than favorable. If the speed limit is set for safety issues, fine. But if it is set at 35 to accommodate the handful of LSVs out there, it's a joke.
End of rant.

[biker1]

I agree. I would speculate that the chances of the speed limit being changed is extremely remote. The roads are a shared resource and it is our responsibility to obey the law and share the resource with others in a safe manner. I would personally like to see more speed traps as the threat of a ticket is usually the only thing that slows people down.

And I agree with Outlaw... 100%..... 35 mph is too slow.... BUT... that is the speed limit and the law.. and not obeying it will cost you, big time !!!! And, understanding human nature, if we could talk them into changing it to 45 or 50..... then those that are speeding now, will be going 60-70 mph.....

[photo1902]

OK, I'll get some blow back for this, but.....
I find the concept of street legal arts to be idiotic. What do you gain? The legal ability to drive your cart at 25 instead of 20? And to do so you have to get out in the same lanes of traffic with vehicles 10x your weight going 35+. Ever observe the attitudes of some (not all) of these LSV drivers? It appears that they are out there with their "right" to use the same lanes you do and shoving it down your throat. It's kind of a passive-aggressive giant middle finger. Can and do some LSVs go over 25 just as regular carts go over 20---I'm sure they do, but I can only assume if they get in an accident the insurer will check to see if over 25 is possible and deny coverage, just as they do with other carts. If you want to go faster, take your car.
Personally I think 35 is fast enough on the major roads, but sometimes it's easy to drift up over 40 if your not watching the speedometer because the conditions are more than favorable. If the speed limit is set for safety issues, fine. But if it is set at 35 to accommodate the handful of LSVs out there, it's a joke.
End of rant.

I absolutely agree. I've never seen the sense in them either, but to each their own.

[2BNTV]

I wouldn't call them speed traps but LEO are usually stationed where one has difficulty seeing them and they use a radar gun.

Doing 50 MPH will automatically get you a ticket that normally costs $256.00. LEO as a courtesy usually knocks it down to 38 MPH costing one $138. I'm not sure what happens, if one is doing more than 50 MPH.

One could go to a school and the points will not show up on one's license. School is about $40. Every 12 months, one could go to school but if less than 12 months, expect an insurance increase.

What's the hurry anyway?

[TomOB]

Where do you need to go so fast? We are retired.

[red tail]

Where do you need to go so fast? We are retired.

what does being retired have to do with being in a hurry??

[Jima64]

I wouldn't call them speed traps but LEO are usually stationed where one has difficulty seeing them and they use a radar gun.

Doing 50 MPH will automatically get you a ticket that normally costs $256.00. LEO as a courtesy usually knocks it down to 38 MPH costing one $138. I'm not sure what happens, if one is doing more than 50 MPH.

One could go to a school and the points will not show up on one's license. School is about $40. Every 12 months, one could go to school but if less than 12 months, expect an insurance increase.

What's the hurry anyway?

If you had a commercial license in previous job and still drive on it you cannot eliminate points by going to school. Just my experience talkingbto dmv.

[njbchbum]

Where do you need to go so fast? We are retired.

Do you really believe that only retirees are using the Villages roadways?

[John_W]

...I have just returned from business on 441 and came back into TV through El Camino Real. I have what the family liked to refer to as a "lead foot" when I drive, I was overtaken by almost every car driving the left lane. Most of the traffic was doing close to 50mph, if not more...

Where do you need to go so fast? We are retired


So in other words, since you're retired everyone else should drive like they're retired, or adjust their life to suit you. I've been driving since 1966 without an accident, with one caveat, so whatever I've been doing must work. I can tell you, I don't drive slow, but I know how to handle a vehicle.

I've lived around retired people all my life. I grew up in St. Petersburg, the town Johnny Carson once called 'the city of the walking dead'. In 1975 I drove only a motorcycle for an entire year, to work, to play, at night, in the rain, in love bugs. Retired people tried to run me off the road every chance they could. I've become a defensive driver from my years in Pinellas County, but yet, I can move through traffic with no problems.

An accident can happen at any speed, and especially when not expecting it. My caveat was two months ago when I was waiting to exit the Marathon station on 466A and after 50 years of no accidents a guy rear ends my car. He explains he has MS disease and his leg is stiff and he was sorry, but missed the brake pedal. Fortunately he had good insurance, my repairs were $2400 plus a 2 week car rental.



Where do you need to go so fast? We are retired. So this is how we should be.

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This is what scares me the most. The two hands locked on the wheel, head straight ahead driver.

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[Mleeja]

We could pay for a police force out of speeding tickets!

I have just returned from business on 441 and came back into TV through El Camino Real. I have what the family liked to refer to as a "lead foot" when I drive, I was overtaken by almost every car driving the left lane. Most of the traffic was doing close to 50mph, if not more.

If the local police stationed unmarked cars at strategic places through that piece of road, and maybe include BV to 466, we could pay for our police force.

We complain about snowbirds and their driving, but we are becoming just as bad.

The Sumter County Sheriff Dept will set up speed traps in this area two or three times per month. They usually do a "land office business" when they do! I think they have cut back a bit since the new grass was planted along El Camino.

[bbbbbb]

Speed is a disease, take a look at TV and the Papers, speed, crashes, four wheel skids, folks killed while tubing on the lakes or with Jet Skis and Wave Runners. It is a big problem where so many just turn the other way, stick the head in the sand. So sad to see this and it usually takes a major crash or pileup and serious injuries before we hear: Gee, we DO have a speed problem.
As stated earlier, we are mostly retired and YET we see marked cars of people going to work, 3 minutes until 8 or whatever, driving like crazy. SLOW DOWN.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I'm always confused when I read posts like this. I always drive between the speed limit and five miles and hour or less over it. I very seldom have people pass me and certainly not at the outrageous speeds that people on here talk about. Not saying anyone's lying, but I just don't see it when I'm driving around here. What I see is 95% of the people driving like me, within five MPH of the limit.

[Shimpy]

where do you need to go so fast? We are retired.


bathroom?

[Polar Bear]

I'm always confused when I read posts like this. I always drive between the speed limit and five miles and hour or less over it. I very seldom have people pass me and certainly not at the outrageous speeds that people on here talk about. Not saying anyone's lying, but I just don't see it when I'm driving around here. What I see is 95% of the people driving like me, within five MPH of the limit.

Same experience here.

[Jima64]

I'm always confused when I read posts like this. I always drive between the speed limit and five miles and hour or less over it. I very seldom have people pass me and certainly not at the outrageous speeds that people on here talk about. Not saying anyone's lying, but I just don't see it when I'm driving around here. What I see is 95% of the people driving like me, within five MPH of the limit.

I think most do drive within 5 mph of the limit. In Florida you have to be going 5 over the limit for a money ticket, 4 or less is a warning by state law.

[RickeyD]

I think most do drive within 5 mph of the limit. In Florida you have to be going 5 over the limit for a money ticket, 4 or less is a warning by state law.



Does this apply to golf carts ? Or are carts zero tolerance at >20.0 mph ?

[rubicon]

The roads do not belong to retirees exclusively. The way some of these people post you would think its the wild west in and around The Villages. It not. and its not that traffic has speed-ed up its simply that some drivers reaction times have slowed down and they need to recognize it.

[Fred R]

I think most do drive within 5 mph of the limit. In Florida you have to be going 5 over the limit for a money ticket, 4 or less is a warning by state law.



What? Please post that statute.

[photo1902]

What? Please post that statute.

318.18

For speed exceeding the limit by: Fine:
1-5 m.p.h..........Warning
6-9 m.p.h..........$25
10-14 m.p.h..........$100
15-19 m.p.h..........$150
20-29 m.p.h..........$175
30 m.p.h. and above..........$250

[golfing eagles]

318.18

For speed exceeding the limit by: Fine:
1-5 m.p.h..........Warning
6-9 m.p.h..........$25
10-14 m.p.h..........$100
15-19 m.p.h..........$150
20-29 m.p.h..........$175
30 m.p.h. and above..........$250


So, let me get this straight:

If you drive 35 in a 30 zone, you get a warning
BUT....
If someone goes 25 mph in their golf cart (if capable), they get up to $1500 fine and a felony charge????
Anyone see a problem with THAT????

[photo1902]

So, let me get this straight:

If you drive 35 in a 30 zone, you get a warning
BUT....
If someone goes 25 mph in their golf cart (if capable), they get up to $1500 fine and a felony charge????
Anyone see a problem with THAT????

Ive yet to find the statute which says its a felony (keep in mind you don't get a ticket for speeding, its for an unregistered vehicle). Nonetheless, I can't find where it becomes a felony.

[virgind]

Question,if the street legal carts can run the MMP why cant I drive my car on them.

[photo1902]

Question,if the street legal carts can run the MMP why cant I drive my car on them.

You can. Just don't get caught.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Does this apply to golf carts ? Or are carts zero tolerance at >20.0 mph ?

First of all, the statement was not completely true. You can get a ticket for anything over the speed limit but because judges will tend to throw these out and admonish the officer for wasting the court's time. Police generally don't give tickets for 5mph over or less.

With golf carts, it's the same thing. They will generally not bother people for 25mph and below. The reasons are twofold. Number one is the same as with cars. Number two is that legal carts can get going over 20mph when going downhill.

We need to remember that the 20mph is not a speed limit for carts in the same way it is for cars. The 20mph rule is to determine whether or not a golf cart needs to be registered and insured. If you are pulled over in your golf cart and it is found that it is capable of going over 20mph on a flat surface you may be charge with driving an unregistered and uninsured vehicle on a public way. The speed limit can be 30 mph and you can be going 27 and still be cited if your cart is capable of going over 20. In that case you would not be cited for speeding.

As far as I know, there is not a separate speed limit for golf carts. There is a limit on how fast a golf cart is capable of going. If it can go over 20mph, it is then considered to be a Low Speed Vehicle and under the law needs to be registered and insured.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Question,if the street legal carts can run the MMP why cant I drive my car on them.

For one thing, street legal golf carts or LSVs are limited to speeds of 25 mph.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

So, let me get this straight:

If you drive 35 in a 30 zone, you get a warning
BUT....
If someone goes 25 mph in their golf cart (if capable), they get up to $1500 fine and a felony charge????
Anyone see a problem with THAT????

I'm not sure that that is the case. But it's two totally different charges. A driver going 35 in a 30 zone is charged with speeding.

A person driving a golf cart that is capable of going over 20 on a flat surface is charged with operating and unregistered and uninsured vehicle.

Other things to know is that if a cart is capable to going over 20, it also is required to have all of the same safety features as a car. Headlights, a solid windshield, wipers, horn etc.

[golfing eagles]

I'm not sure that that is the case. But it's two totally different charges. A driver going 35 in a 30 zone is charged with speeding.

A person driving a golf cart that is capable of going over 20 on a flat surface is charged with operating and unregistered and uninsured vehicle.

Other things to know is that if a cart is capable to going over 20, it also is required to have all of the same safety features as a car. Headlights, a solid windshield, wipers, horn etc.


True, but only because of the way the law is written. Personally, I think a cart going 22 in a cart lane is safer than a LSV going 25 on BV.

[RickeyD]

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160714/3bb9b69a30ea8981759c4f470fa7d40a.jpg

Memorable character from my youth. I thought it was for us kids only.

[outlaw]

Here's the "sense" of the LSV: Take a trip in your car going from your house to BV, then drive up or down BV for a substantial distance, going the speed limit. Finally, pull in to one of the town centers or a recreation center. Check the average mph on your trip computer. It probably shows your average speed to be less than 25 mph. Now, a LSV can pretty much go 25 mph everywhere, since it is the slowest vehicle on the roadway. The LSV doesn't have to slow down at numerous gated intersections, stop, then cross, as it would if it was using the MMP. The LSV doesn't have to deal with the 15 mph golf cart slowing everyone down. So, the LSV traveling a good distance can probably average 20 mph on the roadways. An LSV on the MMP will average about 11-12 mph (That's what my computer tells me I average). If you're traveling to an activity 10 miles away, an LSV using BV would take maybe 30 minutes. On the MMP, it would take 50 minutes. That's a pretty big difference. Not to mention the hassle of all the intersections and tunnels on the MMP. So there is the reason people like the LSV. Full disclosure: I don't have an LSV. But I understand why people do.

[outlaw]

Where do you need to go so fast? We are retired.

Doctor, tee time, water volleyball, pick up spouse, meet friends, pharmacy, financial advisor, save seats at town square....

[RickeyD]

Here's the "sense" of the LSV: Take a trip in your car going from your house to BV, then drive up or down BV for a substantial distance, going the speed limit. Finally, pull in to one of the town centers or a recreation center. Check the average mph on your trip computer. It probably shows your average speed to be less than 25 mph. Now, a LSV can pretty much go 25 mph everywhere, since it is the slowest vehicle on the roadway. The LSV doesn't have to slow down at numerous gated intersections, stop, then cross, as it would if it was using the MMP. The LSV doesn't have to deal with the 15 mph golf cart slowing everyone down. So, the LSV traveling a good distance can probably average 20 mph on the roadways. An LSV on the MMP will average about 11-12 mph (That's what my computer tells me I average). If you're traveling to an activity 10 miles away, an LSV using BV would take maybe 30 minutes. On the MMP, it would take 50 minutes. That's a pretty big difference. Not to mention the hassle of all the intersections and tunnels on the MMP. So there is the reason people like the LSV. Full disclosure: I don't have an LSV. But I understand why people do.



I cringe as I watch Smart cars do 78 in the left lane of the LIE. I cringe just a wee bit less as I watch a LSV on BV. To each their own.

[Sandtrap328]

Doctor, tee time, water volleyball, pick up spouse, meet friends, pharmacy, financial advisor, save seats at town square....

I just about spurted coffee laughing as I read this! Great!

[TNLAKEPANDA]

In The Villages I would worry more about drunk driving and age related impaired driving than someone who just drives fast.

Me too! :wine:

[golfing eagles]

The LSV doesn't have to deal with the 15 mph golf cart slowing everyone down.

No they don't. They just become the 25 mph vehicle slowing everybody ELSE down.:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[champion6]

Where do you need to go so fast? We are retired.I'm having so much fun at Point A, I was late leaving for Point B.

[rubicon]

This obsession with speeding cars/carts by some is over blown. It was reported on NBC this morning that better that 50% of accidents are caused by distractions. Recall the concern of increasing accidents and fatalities for the proposal of raising the speed limits on interstates from 55 mph to 70 mph + and the fact that both have continued a downward trend. I m not dismissing the seriousness of speed but only attempting to place that factor in proper prospective

The applicable laws governing golf carts in The Villages are quickly becoming obsolete because The Villages is no longer just the quaint corner on the historic side. This place is getting larger and longer and its main drawing card is "golf cart accessible" an adjustment in the statute is in order. "Beam me up Scotty"

[biker1]

I am not sure what laws you are referring to and what changes you believe are required. Golf carts are limited in their capability and the current laws may already adequately reflect those limitations. Perhaps we will see more LSVs in the future, which are more capable vehicles and "shrink" The Villages. However, the size of The Villages is generally not an issue because more people use their nearby facilities. For example, I don't go the historic district by golf cart because I live on the south side.

This obsession with speeding cars/carts by some is over blown. It was reported on NBC this morning that better that 50% of accidents are caused by distractions. Recall the concern of increasing accidents and fatalities for the proposal of raising the speed limits on interstates from 55 mph to 70 mph + and the fact that both have continued a downward trend. I m not dismissing the seriousness of speed but only attempting to place that factor in proper prospective

The applicable laws governing golf carts in The Villages are quickly becoming obsolete because The Villages is no longer just the quaint corner on the historic side. This place is getting larger and longer and its main drawing card is "golf cart accessible" an adjustment in the statute is in order. "Beam me up Scotty"

[buzzy]

If I wanted to go so slow, I would have moved to an inactive retirement community.

[bbbbbb]

We have witnessed some outrageous traffic problems. We are living in an area of very long happy hours, those people probably drive home. While sitting at the signal in traffic at Morse and 466, wow, the light turned green for us and a white Cadillac went through the red light for them at an estimated 65 mph. Due to some previous experience I can estimate speed and let me tell you it is dangerous out there, so be careful, be extra careful.

[robin76]

Might just as well include the spandex bicycle crowd to the list to that think it's their right to use the roads and ignore all laws.

[John_W]

Might just as well include the spandex bicycle crowd to the list to that think it's their right to use the roads and ignore all laws.

Just when you thought it was safe to go back in the water, here's 43 older threads about bicyclist in TV not sharing the roads, the cart paths, not stopping, and every other complaint you can find. Some things are better left unsaid.

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/search.php?searchid=12592936

[Shimpy]

Where do you need to go so fast? We are retired.
Bathroom?

[Topspinmo]

I don't worry about speeder's, it's not my job, my job is to stay out of there way and not block traffic. I've tried driving down BV and ECR going the speed limit. Course I was in the right lane and 98% passed me. I was even blocking traffic in the right lane. I stay with the majority traffic flow which usually 38 to 42. You get the occasionally slow poke going 30 and the occasional habitual speeder going 50 plus and I say where cop when you need one! But, then I think he won't catch mr speedy but probably nail me!

[ColdNoMore]

Bathroom?

My wife got her only speeding ticket coming back from lunch one day, because she really had to go to the bathroom and was speeding.

After getting to her parking space at work, she jumped out and told the cop that she would be right back...but had to really go.

She came back out....and he wrote the ticket. :D

[DonH57]

I don't worry about speeder's, it's not my job, my job is to stay out of there way and not block traffic. I've tried driving down BV and ECR going the speed limit. Course I was in the right lane and 98% passed me. I was even blocking traffic in the right lane. I stay with the majority traffic flow which usually 38 to 42. You get the occasionally slow poke going 30 and the occasional habitual speeder going 50 plus and I say where cop when you need one! But, then I think he won't catch mr speedy but probably nail me!

That would be my exact luck as well.

[Paper1]

Might just as well include the spandex bicycle crowd to the list to that think it's their right to use the roads and ignore all laws.
Robin, robin, robin was that really called for? I was run off road this morning in a roundabout by a pickup and trailer. I was wearing spandex but following the law to the letter.

[ldj1938]

They are using laser. One blip and get a ticket. Radar and laser detectors will not save you!

[rubicon]

First of all, the statement was not completely true. You can get a ticket for anything over the speed limit but because judges will tend to throw these out and admonish the officer for wasting the court's time. Police generally don't give tickets for 5mph over or less.

With golf carts, it's the same thing. They will generally not bother people for 25mph and below. The reasons are twofold. Number one is the same as with cars. Number two is that legal carts can get going over 20mph when going downhill.

We need to remember that the 20mph is not a speed limit for carts in the same way it is for cars. The 20mph rule is to determine whether or not a golf cart needs to be registered and insured. If you are pulled over in your golf cart and it is found that it is capable of going over 20mph on a flat surface you may be charge with driving an unregistered and uninsured vehicle on a public way. The speed limit can be 30 mph and you can be going 27 and still be cited if your cart is capable of going over 20. In that case you would not be cited for speeding.

As far as I know, there is not a separate speed limit for golf carts. There is a limit on how fast a golf cart is capable of going. If it can go over 20mph, it is then considered to be a Low Speed Vehicle and under the law needs to be registered and insured.

doc: In 1978 I was entering the New York State Thruway just exiting the ramp onto the road when a state troop stopped me and gave me a ticket for going 60 in a 55mph. I took it to an attorney to have it thrown out by the justice of the peace and the result was you exceeded the limit. so never say never.

I think some of the posted limits on some of the roads here too conservative. Let's hope that the LOE contingent here hasn't made using ticket issuance a priority for income flow as it has in other areas of the country. Its dishonest but its always covered by that "safety issue" its why the "speed too fast for conditions exist" its a catchall
and I have seen it used when conditions were ideal.
If you watch closely you will see that speed is not the main culprit for accidents here...

[PennBF]

I had been very good friends with a number of Police in NY and in "most" cases they went by, "eight you skate
and nine your mine". They did not ticket if 8 or under but if 9 or greater you had no chance of getting out of a ticket. :ho:

[Polar Bear]

...I've been driving since 1966 without an accident...

A braver soul than I am...to tempt fate so flagrantly. :)

[Rango]

We have speed and red light cameras up north. Everyone hates them, but they do slow down the traffic.

[golfing eagles]

We have speed and red light cameras up north. Everyone hates them, but they do slow down the traffic.

If you look up, you'll see cameras at all the major intersections on 466 and 466A. I have mixed emotions about them. Are they accurate? Do they catch the offender or tag the car that came just before or just after? What is their threshold for citing a driver? If drivers know they are there, it should fulfill its purpose of slowing traffic. But it just seems a little too much Big Brother/1984 for my taste.

[Rango]

If you look up, you'll see cameras at all the major intersections on 466 and 466A. I have mixed emotions about them. Are they accurate? Do they catch the offender or tag the car that came just before or just after? What is their threshold for citing a driver? If drivers know they are there, it should fulfill its purpose of slowing traffic. But it just seems a little too much Big Brother/1984 for my taste.

Are they red light cameras? A lot of intersection have camera for light control.

[golfing eagles]

Are they red light cameras? A lot of intersection have camera for light control.

no idea, sorry

[Chatbrat]

At our age time is a finite commodity--you should not have to have it wasted by people doing ten mph under the limit

[John_W]

If you look up, you'll see cameras at all the major intersections on 466 and 466A. I have mixed emotions about them. Are they accurate? Do they catch the offender or tag the car that came just before or just after? What is their threshold for citing a driver? If drivers know they are there, it should fulfill its purpose of slowing traffic. But it just seems a little too much Big Brother/1984 for my taste.

They aren't red light cameras, if they were they would have a sign posted on a pole at the intersection. Those small cameras up on the guide wires I see all over, even when I was back in Maryland. However, I was in Spring Hill last week, that's southeast of here about 60 miles where Weeki Wachee Springs with the mermaids is located. I had my Garmin GPS turned on, but no destination selected and I got a beeping alarm just before an intersection, when I was nearer I could see a 'Red Light Camera' sign. I've never had that alarm go off in this area, but I will definitely pay attention when I'm in other areas.

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[graciegirl]

Obey all laws. You aren't "special" around here.

Or anywhere.

[John_W]

Obey all laws. You aren't "special" around here.

Or anywhere.

Was that directed at me?

What did I say that indicated I was a bad driver? Those who run red lights are bad drivers. I never said I ran red lights, I only said my GPS gave an alert of the presence of a 'red light camera'.

Personally, I never worry about tickets for the most part because my last ticket of any kind was in Atlanta 29 years ago. I don't run red lights, that's one of my pet peeves as well as drivers that don't know roundabout rules, right-on-red rules, driving slow in the left lane rules, using a turn signal before entering a turn lane instead of after entering the turn lane, drivers who never use a turn signal before turning, and any other driver that doesn't know how to operate on the highway.




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[Nucky]

If you look up, you'll see cameras at all the major intersections on 466 and 466A. I have mixed emotions about them. Are they accurate? Do they catch the offender or tag the car that came just before or just after? What is their threshold for citing a driver? If drivers know they are there, it should fulfill its purpose of slowing traffic. But it just seems a little too much Big Brother/1984 for my taste.

My son got two red light tickets at the same traffic light in Linden N.J. on the same day. The ticket on the highway Rte 1 & 9 was more money than the ticket he got that morning coming onto Rte 1 & 9 at Stiles St at the same light. Several points to be made. He should have stayed home from work, he would have come out ahead. Anyone seeing the video would agree that he deserved the second ticket but not the first as he had someone tailgating him. It was revealed that these cameras were nothing more than a cash grab and increased the rear end accidents at several intersections. They have been turned off. Others may kick this around and feel like it a good idea but the reality is it isn't.

I am new in the area but know that people don't like to be delayed on their daily adventures. I have downloaded The Villages GPS and find it to be fantastic but once in a while it hangs up while we are in the golf cart. I wait until I find a safe spot to pull over and do so to reboot. The majority of people ask if we are ok or if they can help...we are out of the way...the kind people who want to help get ripped verbally :blahblahblah: by the clown's who gets upset that they were delayed a few seconds. Three times in a month. I couldn't care less but it upsets my wife. If we were not here I would get into the mix quickly...I'm trying to change, I'm going to change. Mrs. Nucky even said later that evening she was surprised I didn't go Code Red. I'm not raising children anymore..I'm going to find amusement in situations like this and just let it go!

[dbussone]

My son got two red light tickets at the same traffic light in Linden N.J. on the same day. The ticket on the highway Rte 1 & 9 was more money than the ticket he got that morning coming onto Rte 1 & 9 at Stiles St at the same light. Several points to be made. He should have stayed home from work, he would have come out ahead. Anyone seeing the video would agree that he deserved the second ticket but not the first as he had someone tailgating him. It was revealed that these cameras were nothing more than a cash grab and increased the rear end accidents at several intersections. They have been turned off. Others may kick this around and feel like it a good idea but the reality is it isn't.



I am new in the area but know that people don't like to be delayed on their daily adventures. I have downloaded The Villages GPS and find it to be fantastic but once in a while it hangs up while we are in the golf cart. I wait until I find a safe spot to pull over and do so to reboot. The majority of people ask if we are ok or if they can help...we are out of the way...the kind people who want to help get ripped verbally :blahblahblah: by the clown's who gets upset that they were delayed a few seconds. Three times in a month. I couldn't care less but it upsets my wife. If we were not here I would get into the mix quickly...I'm trying to change, I'm going to change. Mrs. Nucky even said later that evening she was surprised I didn't go Code Red. I'm not raising children anymore..I'm going to find amusement in situations like this and just let it go!



Nucky - you have to be moving for the gps to track the golf cart. [emoji41]


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[xcaligirl]

I fully agree with you!

[rubicon]

Was that directed at me?

What did I say that indicated I was a bad driver? Those who run red lights are bad drivers. I never said I ran red lights, I only said my GPS gave an alert of the presence of a 'red light camera'.

Personally, I never worry about tickets for the most part because my last ticket of any kind was in Atlanta 29 years ago. I don't run red lights, that's one of my pet peeves as well as drivers that don't know roundabout rules, right-on-red rules, driving slow in the left lane rules, using a turn signal before entering a turn lane instead of after entering the turn lane, drivers who never use a turn signal before turning, and any other driver that doesn't know how to operate on the highway.




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Perhaps i misread it but it seems I ran across an article that talked about how the NJ LOE rigged the yellow caution light so that people ran the red light as recorded by red light cameras. so a judge got fed up with the income scam and the state had to remove their red light cameras.

[graciegirl]

Was that directed at me?

What did I say that indicated I was a bad driver? Those who run red lights are bad drivers. I never said I ran red lights, I only said my GPS gave an alert of the presence of a 'red light camera'.

Personally, I never worry about tickets for the most part because my last ticket of any kind was in Atlanta 29 years ago. I don't run red lights, that's one of my pet peeves as well as drivers that don't know roundabout rules, right-on-red rules, driving slow in the left lane rules, using a turn signal before entering a turn lane instead of after entering the turn lane, drivers who never use a turn signal before turning, and any other driver that doesn't know how to operate on the highway.




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No. It was NOT directed at you. I KNOW you wouldn't break the law.

It was a general statement. I have been saying stuff like that for years. "Don't break the law, DO not break the law in anyway, don't ever break the law, no one is going to help you in this family if you break the law."

Good parenting is based on repetition. It seems to have worked. So far.

[golfing eagles]

At our age time is a finite commodity--you should not have to have it wasted by people doing ten mph under the limit

And if I were driving to L.A. on I-10, I would tend to agree. But this is TV. To the extent that someone is going 10 under the speed limit on BV, Morse, ECR, 466 or 466A, they are easily passed just as the LSVs and cyclists get passed. Maximum delay I have seen for this , maybe 12 seconds.
This leaves the 30 mph. residential streets. The longest run I know of that you could get "stuck" on would be Morse north of 466, Canal St., Pinellas Place and Hillsborough trail. You would be unlucky if you were travelling the whole length of those roads and the "slowpoke" ahead of you was doing the same---they eventually turn off, so your delay is what?--2 minutes max?
Meanwhile , we have drivers in their 80s and 90s who may be uncomfortable with higher speeds. I'd hate to see someone who survived the Great Depression, survived WWII, and survived 9-11 killed because they were pushed to drive at speeds above their ability.

[Nucky]

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It stopped changing our position while I was on the move. I just pull over safely and reset and off we go. It really is a wonderful App. We would still be trying to get home without it.:coolsmiley:

[Nucky]

And if I were driving to L.A. on I-10, I would tend to agree. But this is TV. To the extent that someone is going 10 under the speed limit on BV, Morse, ECR, 466 or 466A, they are easily passed just as the LSVs and cyclists get passed. Maximum delay I have seen for this , maybe 12 seconds.
This leaves the 30 mph. residential streets. The longest run I know of that you could get "stuck" on would be Morse north of 466, Canal St., Pinellas Place and Hillsborough trail. You would be unlucky if you were travelling the whole length of those roads and the "slowpoke" ahead of you was doing the same---they eventually turn off, so your delay is what?--2 minutes max?
Meanwhile , we have drivers in their 80s and 90s who may be uncomfortable with higher speeds. I'd hate to see someone who survived the Great Depression, survived WWII, and survived 9-11 killed because they were pushed to drive at speeds above their ability.

Yeah....what he said. I don't feel comfortable going as fast as our cart can go and no one for any reason will push me into putting myself in jeopardy!

[Barefoot]

At our age time is a finite commodity--you should not have to have it wasted by people doing ten mph under the limit


........... we have drivers in their 80s and 90s who may be uncomfortable with higher speeds. I'd hate to see someone who survived the Great Depression, survived WWII, and survived 9-11 killed because they were pushed to drive at speeds above their ability. Excellent response. :ho:

[Nucky]

Perhaps i misread it but it seems I ran across an article that talked about how the NJ LOE rigged the yellow caution light so that people ran the red light as recorded by red light cameras. so a judge got fed up with the income scam and the state had to remove their red light cameras.

Didn't even know this man held office till he came to the rescue of the driving public in NJ. Declan O'Scanlon the tireless enforcer of this rip off Pilot Program. I largely credit him with putting the whole Red Light Racket out of business.:ho:

[golfing eagles]

Excellent response. :ho:

worth a lobster?????

OOPS, I get 5 yard penalty for cross-threading:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[bbbbbb]

Speeding is a real life hazard here. We have seen it over and over. At the Tunnels, on the straightaways, we do 20, I made sure our cart was set max for that, and Joe Wizz roars by, passing like he is going to a circus to watch Bimbi? Note on TV sets, zoom zoom, watch the Tach jump up to 5K rpm. Oh, go to the track and watch them wiz by, how nice. We are a retirement community, if you have to speed like a maniac, do you really want to live here and jeopardize the lives of other people who are leisurely going along, enjoying the view? At 16 I was with a friend, he wanted to see what mom's car would do,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, well the last I saw of the speedometer was at 105 and climbing, he turned too soon and was killed, I was in the hospital for two weeks being repaired. Slow down folks. PLEASE. Consider this,,,,,,,,,,, at just 60 mph you are covering 88 feet in one second. At 20 mph you are covering almost 30 feet in one second. Kinetic energy is deadly. Kinetic energy is very deadly, slow down.
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[dbussone]

It stopped changing our position while I was on the move. I just pull over safely and reset and off we go. It really is a wonderful App. We would still be trying to get home without it.:coolsmiley:



It is a great app. My wiseacre comment was related to your comments about speeding by others. (No golf carts were injured in the production of this post.)


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[Chatbrat]

If your ability to drive at the legal limit is beyond your capabilities, don't you think you should be leaving the driving to others-

If you can't react to an emergency situation-the only way I can politely say it is --STOP DRIVING

[Investment Painting Contractors]

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Memorable character from my youth. I thought it was for us kids only.

Rickey I have a Rat Fink poster signed by Big Daddy Roth a couple of months before he died. Len

[Nucky]

worth a lobster?????

OOPS, I get 5 yard penalty for cross-threading:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

:1rotfl:

[Shimpy]

No they don't. They just become the 25 mph vehicle slowing everybody ELSE down.:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

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[Nucky]

It is a great app. My wiseacre comment was related to your comments about speeding by others. (No golf carts were injured in the production of this post.)


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Amen. So many of the things I've read about in the past come true once your here. I think it's the way I handle them that is different. I see a fellow poster that after a month or so of snot shot recovery is back to past practice of Playing The King Of The Villages. It's never been you dbussone you've been nothing but helpful. Bless You! :clap2:

[Barefoot]

I see a fellow poster that after a month or so of snot shot recovery is back to past practice of Playing The King Of The Villages.
Does everyone but me know what "Snot shot recovery" is? :popcorn:

[graciegirl]

Does everyone but me know what "Snot shot recovery" is? :popcorn:

I don't know, Bare.

But here is a poem about the general subject;


When you're out with your honey
And his nose his runny
And you think it's funny,
It's snot.

[dbussone]

I don't know, Bare.



But here is a poem about the general subject;





When you're out with your honey

And his nose his runny

And you think it's funny,

It's snot.



Amen Gracie! dbussone over and out.

[Taltarzac725]

worth a lobster?????

OOPS, I get 5 yard penalty for cross-threading:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

I heard the word lobster!!!

[Taltarzac725]

The truth about Tenn. traffic cameras | Columbia Daily Herald (http://columbiadailyherald.com/opinion/columns/truth-about-tenn-traffic-cameras)

This is interesting about speed cameras.

They should get more unmarked cars out there.

[rubicon]

The truth about Tenn. traffic cameras | Columbia Daily Herald (http://columbiadailyherald.com/opinion/columns/truth-about-tenn-traffic-cameras)

This is interesting about speed cameras.

They should get more unmarked cars out there.


Thank you Tal. The article cited clearly explains all the concerns expressed by many with the application of red light cameras.

the fact is the time allotted for a caution light is 3 to 6 seconds. By manipulating the caution light traps drivers and hence tickets flow or rather cash. Speed traps do the same thing and we did have one town north of here that did so while traveling on 301

I become concern when people speak in absolutes and limit their focus as we are witnessing here.

[outlaw]

If you look up, you'll see cameras at all the major intersections on 466 and 466A. I have mixed emotions about them. Are they accurate? Do they catch the offender or tag the car that came just before or just after? What is their threshold for citing a driver? If drivers know they are there, it should fulfill its purpose of slowing traffic. But it just seems a little too much Big Brother/1984 for my taste.

I think those are emergency vehicle sensors. When an emergency vehicle approaches, the driver can activate a signal that the sensor picks up to change the light to green for the vehicle. Speeds up response time.

[Nucky]

I don't know, Bare.

But here is a poem about the general subject;


When you're out with your honey
And his nose his runny
And you think it's funny,
It's snot.

A Snot Shot is someone who constantly plays the better than you theme throughout their dealings with others, always having to be several notches above others in all categories of life. It doesn't matter what you drive or what you live in just enjoy it without stepping on the little people. There is one big offender here but its not my YOB to staighten him out! :cus:

[Taltarzac725]

A Snot Shot is someone who constantly plays the better than you theme throughout their dealings with others, always having to be several notches above others in all categories of life. It doesn't matter what you drive or what you live in just enjoy it without stepping on the little people. There is one big offender here but its not my YOB to staighten him out! :cus:

Urban Dictionary: snot shot (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=snot%20shot)

I had not heard of that before.

I have often found that the bigger the house the smaller the heart of the person it it.

[dewilson58]

I have often found that the bigger the house the smaller the heart of the person it it.


Wow.

[RickeyD]

Urban Dictionary: snot shot (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=snot%20shot)

I had not heard of that before.

I have often found that the bigger the house the smaller the heart of the person it it.



I've heard some people take out a reverse mortgage simply to get a bigger house. Stupid is more like it in this case.

[golfing eagles]

I've heard some people take out a reverse mortgage simply to get a bigger house. Stupid is more like it in this case.

I like morphing a thread into new territory as much as the next guy, but....... from speeding to the personality traits of a person based on the size of their house???? Quite a reach, IMHO

[Barefoot]

I like morphing a thread into new territory as much as the next guy, but....... from speeding to the personality traits of a person based on the size of their house???? Quite a reach, IMHO
The next thing you know, a poster will be "cross-threading" about lobster. :evil6:

[ColdNoMore]

The next thing you know, a poster will be "cross-threading" about lobster. :evil6:

Or combining the two subjects and calling it....wait for it....











Claw & Order?



:1rotfl:

[golfing eagles]

The next thing you know, a poster will be "cross-threading" about lobster. :evil6:

Can't imagine anyone doing THAT:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[dbussone]

Or combining the two subjects and calling it....wait for it....























Claw & Order?







:1rotfl:



That's fabulously funny.

Very well done.

In 3 words. [emoji41] [emoji106]

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[Nucky]

That's fabulously funny.

Very well done.

In 3 words. [emoji41] [emoji106]

(which thead's this)



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Sign them up! :pepper2:

[Taltarzac725]

duplicate.

[Taltarzac725]

Urban Dictionary: snot shot (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=snot%20shot)

I had not heard of that before.

I have often found that the bigger the house the smaller the heart of the person it it.

The Bible has a similar saying--

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[ColdNoMore]

That's fabulously funny.

Very well done.

In 3 words. [emoji41] [emoji106]

(which thead's this)



I am humbled. :o

[Taltarzac725]

One thing that may help stop speeders in the Villages. You may get a much lower rate of trade in if you drive you golf cart a lot over 21.

The salesman at the Villages Golf Cart in Sumter Landing did a test drive or our Yamaha we were going to trade in and checked how often it got over 22 when he floored it.

I did get up to 24 or so but not that often. I guess you damage the motor going at a top speed often.

This is just what he said. I am no mechanic of golf carts.

We did get a nice trade in for the old Yamaha.

[karostay]

If we paid police with speeding tickets fines they would be rich

[Taltarzac725]

If we paid police with speeding tickets fines they would be rich

That would be a good way though for corruption to really seep into the police force. You can never underestimate self-interest and how much it motivates people.

[dewilson58]

Wonder if people in bigger homes drive faster.

[golfing eagles]

Wonder if people in bigger homes drive faster.

Bigger home=bigger garage=bigger car=more horsepower=faster driving????????

[dewilson58]

Bigger home=bigger garage=bigger car=more horsepower=faster driving????????

Probably true.

I heard they have smaller hearts too.

:pepper2:

[golfing eagles]

Probably true.

I heard they have smaller hearts too.

:pepper2:

Wow--glad I don't have a premier home!!!:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[rubicon]

I don't worry about speeder's, it's not my job, my job is to stay out of there way and not block traffic. I've tried driving down BV and ECR going the speed limit. Course I was in the right lane and 98% passed me. I was even blocking traffic in the right lane. I stay with the majority traffic flow which usually 38 to 42. You get the occasionally slow poke going 30 and the occasional habitual speeder going 50 plus and I say where cop when you need one! But, then I think he won't catch mr speedy but probably nail me!

In some areas of the country the posted speed limit would be established by that 98%

[rubicon]

If we paid police with speeding tickets fines they would be rich

I doubt its true but if it is true then the allegation that cops are given a bonus if they meet their quota for ticket issuance is a bona fide conflict of interest

[Chatbrat]

Any car made will exceed any posted speed limit--bigger houses don't mean a thing--its your net worth that counts--too bad no one is comfortable posting their approximate net worth--any guess how many multi-millionaires there are in TV

[rubicon]

Any car made will exceed any posted speed limit--bigger houses don't mean a thing--its your net worth that counts--too bad no one is comfortable posting their approximate net worth--any guess how many multi-millionaires there are in TV

chatbrat: It doesn't matter because the marketing people explained to every buyer that anyone can live the life of a millionaire on their retirement savings in The Villages

[Chatbrat]

Ok if you have retirement income with combined pensions & social security over $200K /year -you have the income of a millionaire-but it doesn't make you a millionaire

[Moderator]

The topic is Speeding, not big houses or net worth/wealth. Please stay on topic or the thread will be closed.

Moderator

[Chatbrat]

Rules, rule

[Chatbrat]

Baseline tennis is boring, sometimes you have to mix it up with a little net play

[graciegirl]

Any car made will exceed any posted speed limit--bigger houses don't mean a thing--its your net worth that counts--too bad no one is comfortable posting their approximate net worth--any guess how many multi-millionaires there are in TV

What does your net worth count FOR?

When I was a kid there were several no-no's to any polite public discussion. You never discussed sex. You didn't discuss religion and you never ever ever inquired about how much money someone else had or said how much you had. It wasn't much for most, I was born in 1939 right after the depression..we had our shoes repaired and well I won't get into all that.

That said, I love that everyone lives like a millionaire here. We will be driving along the beautifully kept thoroughfares and I will comment that the Vanderbilts and the Rockefellows didn't have as much well kept areas to drive in as we do living here.

I love that you can sit at the square between a retired CEO of a fortune 500 company and a fellow who drove a bus all of his life and never, ever know the difference. Because what you have or had, and what you used to do really doesn't matter here. I love that.

[RickeyD]

Any car made will exceed any posted speed limit--bigger houses don't mean a thing--its your net worth that counts--too bad no one is comfortable posting their approximate net worth--any guess how many multi-millionaires there are in TV



Steve Jobs house

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[bimmertl]

Really, "the Vanderbilts and the Rockefellows (whoever they are) didn't have as much well kept areas to drive in as we do living here"

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[biker1]

I am pretty sure the vast majority of people don't care, nor should they as other people's net worth is their business.

Any car made will exceed any posted speed limit--bigger houses don't mean a thing--its your net worth that counts--too bad no one is comfortable posting their approximate net worth--any guess how many multi-millionaires there are in TV

[graciegirl]

Really, "the Vanderbilts and the Rockefellows (whoever they are) didn't have as much well kept areas to drive in as we do living here"

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I am sure you are right. I will continue to feel happy here. I think I misspelled one of those wealthy people. You have made several points for me.

Rockefeller. Sorry. Them. They can't hold a candle to how wealthy and blessed I feel living here.

[bbbbbb]

Just a comment to ponder on this thread.

Are you aware, there is no such thing as an Accident? In every case a rule or a law or a restriction was violated.

Have you heard that while Texting (See it a lot) a nice lady had an Accident?
No, she did not have an accident, instead, she brought a foolish or unlawful or stupid activity into her car while driving. This is tantamount to asking for major damages or death. bbbbbb

[RickeyD]

Just a comment to ponder on this thread.

Are you aware, there is no such thing as an Accident? In every case a rule or a law or a restriction was violated.

Have you heard that while Texting (See it a lot) a nice lady had an Accident?
No, she did not have an accident, instead, she brought a foolish or unlawful or stupid activity into her car while driving. This is tantamount to asking for major damages or death. bbbbbb



Agree. The "accident" word should universally be changed to CRASH.

[biker1]

This is simply not true. Accidents can be caused by a tire blow out, a medical event such as a heart attack, etc. where no law or restriction is violated.

QUOTE=bbbbbb;1266838]Just a comment to ponder on this thread.

Are you aware, there is no such thing as an Accident? In every case a rule or a law or a restriction was violated.

Have you heard that while Texting (See it a lot) a nice lady had an Accident?
No, she did not have an accident, instead, she brought a foolish or unlawful or stupid activity into her car while driving. This is tantamount to asking for major damages or death. bbbbbb[/QUOTE]

[RickeyD]

This is simply not true. Accidents can be caused by a tire blow out, a medical event such as a heart attack, etc. where no law or restriction is violated.



QUOTE=bbbbbb;1266838]Just a comment to ponder on this thread.



Are you aware, there is no such thing as an Accident? In every case a rule or a law or a restriction was violated.



Have you heard that while Texting (See it a lot) a nice lady had an Accident?

No, she did not have an accident, instead, she brought a foolish or unlawful or stupid activity into her car while driving. This is tantamount to asking for major damages or death. bbbbbb[/QUOTE]



So, what percent of so called accidents are caused by blowouts, med emergency etc. I would ponder <2%.

[biker1]

It doesn't matter. I was responding to the statement that all accidents are the result of law or rules violations. That simply is not true.






So, what percent of so called accidents are caused by blowouts, med emergency etc. I would ponder <2%.[/QUOTE]

[RickeyD]

It doesn't matter. I was responding to the statement that all accidents are the result of law or rules violations. That simply is not true.













So, what percent of so called accidents are caused by blowouts, med emergency etc. I would ponder <2%.[/QUOTE]



It does matter. The overwhelming percent of crashes are caused by one or both or many people making a wrong decision.

[biker1]

I am not sure what your point is as the post referred to all cases being the result of a law or rules violation. If you want to rephrase to "most" then that would be correct but "all" is simply not true. Why do you feel the need to defend a statement that simply is not true?





It does matter. The overwhelming percent of crashes are caused by one or both or many people making a wrong decision.[/QUOTE]

[RickeyD]

I'm not defending an absolute statement, I simply feel the word accident should be removed from our lexicon and substituted with crash, which is more accurate, a great majority of the time.

[bbbbbb]

OK sorry about that comment, I should have said that a large majority of accidents, but not all.

Tire blowouts are a thing of the past,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, almost. Because of the increased strength of tires now, steel belts etc. However, a blowout most likely, (not 100% of the time), is because of a nearly worn out tire or a tire that has seen a lot of abuse, like high speed thru chuckholes etc. So again the best protection is to be aware of the condition of your tires. Question, have you seen the folks who bounce off of the curb while parking or turning? Not a accident, it can damage the belts in the tires, and Joe Citizen needed to be aware of his/her errant driving.
Tires will last different amounts of miles, depending on the driver, speed, chuckholes, curbs, road hazards etc. A rule you might follow for a good quality tire, maybe consider 30000 miles as the time to change to new ones, good insurance but then each person needs to do their own design of a "safety net". I change them at 30K and I am a very cautious and not speedy driver. Feel free to do as you wish, these comments are meant to be helpful. Also, if purchasing new tires, do a very good inspection of the tire before it is mounted, the technician needs to willing to show you how to look, for bubbles, seams, weak spots, badly out of balance, there are these and other hazards to look for on a new tire. Someone selling almost new, used tires for a bargain????,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, NO WAY ON that one. bbbbbb

[Chatbrat]

Most tires do not blow out because of construction, they blow out because of age & dry rot-In Florida Michelin recommends replacing all tires after 6years, regardless of thread depth

Also, when you buy tires be sure to check date of mfg. A new tire could be sitting in a warehouse for several years.

This is especially true for RV's

[rubicon]

OK sorry about that comment, I should have said that a large majority of accidents, but not all.

Tire blowouts are a thing of the past,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, almost. Because of the increased strength of tires now, steel belts etc. However, a blowout most likely, (not 100% of the time), is because of a nearly worn out tire or a tire that has seen a lot of abuse, like high speed thru chuckholes etc. So again the best protection is to be aware of the condition of your tires. Question, have you seen the folks who bounce off of the curb while parking or turning? Not a accident, it can damage the belts in the tires, and Joe Citizen needed to be aware of his/her errant driving.
Tires will last different amounts of miles, depending on the driver, speed, chuckholes, curbs, road hazards etc. A rule you might follow for a good quality tire, maybe consider 30000 miles as the time to change to new ones, good insurance but then each person needs to do their own design of a "safety net". I change them at 30K and I am a very cautious and not speedy driver. Feel free to do as you wish, these comments are meant to be helpful. Also, if purchasing new tires, do a very good inspection of the tire before it is mounted, the technician needs to willing to show you how to look, for bubbles, seams, weak spots, badly out of balance, there are these and other hazards to look for on a new tire. Someone selling almost new, used tires for a bargain????,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, NO WAY ON that one. bbbbbb

bbbbbb: I believe you are overreaching here. An act is either intentional or accidental. for example a homeowner may do some of his own electrical wiring and as a result it leads to a fire. Now unless you can prove fraud ( intent of arson) an insurance company will pay the loss based on an unintentional act. While speeding may be an intentional act unless the driver intends injury or damage its an accident and hence a fortuitous event. Truckers may be lacks in tying down debris on a truck and many a motorist have been injured from debris falling from a truck, again its accidental..and when a tire is torn loose from a moving vehicle and causes injury/property damage despite the fact the mechanic failed to tighten down the lug nuts its an accident.

Speeding by the count of post here is a popular topic. However speed is only one factor among many contributing factors such as weather, blinded by the sun, distractions, unsafe backing, unsafe passing etc etc etc . In fact many an article call distraction the cause of better than 50% of accidents.

to wit: yesterday I was running errands. Stopped at a light facing Avienda Central a guy in a golf cart was making a left from Avienda but preoccupied searching for something in his golf cart and headed straight for me but a beep of the horn woke him up

Next time you are on the Florida Turnpike note which drivers are creating the real hazards. its either the guy who believe he is being extra good by driving 10 miles under the speed limit in the left lane or the nut who believes he is in the Indy 500 and darts back and forth between lanes . In my view anything up to 79 mph keeps traffic flowing and prevents bottle necks

Speeding isn't the main culprit here for accidents and a number of posters have cited other causes on this thread.

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[biker1]

I believe blowouts have become less frequent but I put those is a category of mechanical problems that can cause an accident where no blame can be assigned. Besides medical events, there are a host of other events that cause accidents where no blame can be assigned such as colliding with a deer (fairly common is many parts of the country). The point is some accidents are not the result of any wrong doing.


OK sorry about that comment, I should have said that a large majority of accidents, but not all.

Tire blowouts are a thing of the past,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, almost. Because of the increased strength of tires now, steel belts etc. However, a blowout most likely, (not 100% of the time), is because of a nearly worn out tire or a tire that has seen a lot of abuse, like high speed thru chuckholes etc. So again the best protection is to be aware of the condition of your tires. Question, have you seen the folks who bounce off of the curb while parking or turning? Not a accident, it can damage the belts in the tires, and Joe Citizen needed to be aware of his/her errant driving.
Tires will last different amounts of miles, depending on the driver, speed, chuckholes, curbs, road hazards etc. A rule you might follow for a good quality tire, maybe consider 30000 miles as the time to change to new ones, good insurance but then each person needs to do their own design of a "safety net". I change them at 30K and I am a very cautious and not speedy driver. Feel free to do as you wish, these comments are meant to be helpful. Also, if purchasing new tires, do a very good inspection of the tire before it is mounted, the technician needs to willing to show you how to look, for bubbles, seams, weak spots, badly out of balance, there are these and other hazards to look for on a new tire. Someone selling almost new, used tires for a bargain????,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, NO WAY ON that one. bbbbbb

[RickeyD]

I believe blowouts have become less frequent but I put those is a category of mechanical problems that can cause an accident where no blame can be assigned. Besides medical events, there are a host of other events that cause accidents where no blame can be assigned such as colliding with a deer (fairly common is many parts of the country). The point is some accidents are not the result of any wrong doing.



Deer signs are posted wherever they are a problem. A prudent and safe driver will decrease their speed especially at night so as to avoid hitting a deer or worse swerving into oncoming traffic to avoid hitting it. Many times I leave my home early morning before dawn. Typically I'll do 10 mph below the limit on this 2 lane highway because I've seen many a deer cross my path during that time. A reckless driver won't care and will go 10 or 20 over the limit and hit one. I've seen it. I don't consider that an accident.

[biker1]

Deer signs were not posted where I lived previously and there were a substantial amount of deer. Even in those locations where deer signs exist and speed is reduced, there is still the possibility of a deer collision and that is an accident where blame cannot be assigned. If someone is speeding then blame can be assigned because they are violating the law.

Deer signs are posted wherever they are a problem. A prudent and safe driver will decrease their speed especially at night so as to avoid hitting a deer or worse swerving into oncoming traffic to avoid hitting it. Many times I leave my home early morning before dawn. Typically I'll do 10 mph below the limit on this 2 lane highway because I've seen many a deer cross my path during that time. A reckless driver won't care and will go 10 or 20 over the limit and hit one. I've seen it. I don't consider that an accident.

[RickeyD]

Deer signs were not posted where I lived previously and there were a substantial amount of deer. Even in those locations where deer signs exist and speed is reduced, there is still the possibility of a deer collision and that is an accident where blame cannot be assigned. If someone is speeding then blame can be assigned because they are violating the law.



Myself, I drive according to the conditions. Knowing my local roads as I do I exceed the limit at times because I know it's safe and decrease my speed accordingly. Sometimes shiz does happen and we've all fell victim to that. I just don't like using the A word when I see so many people blatantly doing something stupid and claiming it was an accident. No sir, not an accident it was stupidity.