Should I drop a dime?

[Chatbrat]

There is a home owner who rents a house on my street.

He has a huge olive drab tailer with a tarp over it & he has "FOR SALE" signs on the tarp/

And, he has a blatant re "For Rent " sign in the front window of his property.

It is the tackiest thing I have ever seen in the villages & I believe its against community standards.

[mrdarcy]

Yes. Call Community Standards. The owner needs to be put on notice that the standards apply to him/her too. People like this are not going to care about the quality of their renters and the violations could get worse.

[Fred R]

There are lots of folks here that have FOR RENT signs in their front windows. Dozens. And that is against the rules????

[justjim]

The for rent sign could be legal depending on size. The Trailer I'm not sure about. The county sheriff's office should be able to tell you if you call. I assume it's a county owned street.

[Bogie Shooter]

There is a home owner who rents a house on my street.

He has a huge olive drab tailer with a tarp over it & he has "FOR SALE" signs on the tarp/

And, he has a blatant re "For Rent " sign in the front window of his property.

It is the tackiest thing I have ever seen in the villages & I believe its against community standards.
Read your copy of the deed restrictions or call Community Standards.

[Rapscallion St Croix]

I think Community Standards is impotent and therefore I advocate for mobs with pitchforks and torches. If called, I shall serve.

[Bogie Shooter]

I think Community Standards is impotent and therefore I advocate for mobs with pitchforks and torches. If called, I shall serve.
Why do you think that.

[Gpsma]

Learn to MYOB.

[JoMar]

I think Community Standards is impotent and therefore I advocate for mobs with pitchforks and torches. If called, I shall serve.

Don't forget the tar and feathers.

[graciegirl]

Yes. Call Community Standards. The owner needs to be put on notice that the standards apply to him/her too. People like this are not going to care about the quality of their renters and the violations could get worse.

I agree. All that stuff and yard art devalues the whole place. One of the reasons we chose this place is because of deed restrictions. We lived under deed restrictions for many years and it helps hold the value of your investment.

[KittyKat]

Learn to MYOB.

Why should she? It's an eyesore on her street.

[DonH57]

I think Community Standards is impotent and therefore I advocate for mobs with pitchforks and torches. If called, I shall serve.
Don't forget the hot tar. Very important to have all your ducks in a row!!!

[karostay]

There is a home owner who rents a house on my street.

He has a huge olive drab tailer with a tarp over it & he has "FOR SALE" signs on the tarp/

And, he has a blatant re "For Rent " sign in the front window of his property.

It is the tackiest thing I have ever seen in the villages & I believe its against community standards.

When you have accomplished that task
Go to the town squares and unreserve all the seats

[outlaw]

I don't think the for sale signs or the for rent sign is against restrictions. Maybe the trailer. But if it's in the driveway, the sheriff's dept would have no authority.

[Gpsma]

Those who advocate that deed restrictions have kept up property values seem to miss the fact that the most important deed restriction was omitted...one that states no rentals are allowed except to family members.

But such a restriction would lower the esteemed and beloved developers ability to sell homes.

[onslowe]

The OP has an eyesore on her street with the trailer. Minding one's own business is not the wise course of action. The complaint is important, and it is the opposite of complacency regarding assaults on our quality of life here in TV. I think that the growth of a 'MYOB' attitude will eventually lead to a deterioration of our chosen home community.

The ultimate adjudication is not as important to this thread as is the registering of a complaint about the eyesore.

[outlaw]

Just don't put the complaint in writing. Only verbal. Otherwise the neighbor will be able to identify you and may seek out retribution.

[gap2415]

Take a photo and post it here. So many people just look for something to complain about and make others lives miserable. If you post a photo everyone can see whether that it is truly an eyesore devaluing property or not. That's better than just complaining and people commenting on an image in their heads.

[graciegirl]

I don't think the for sale signs or the for rent sign is against restrictions. Maybe the trailer. But if it's in the driveway, the sheriff's dept would have no authority.

The trailer in the driveway is a deed restriction and fines can be leveled against the homeowner if it is parked there for more than a certain time. Same with motor homes and boats.

[biker1]

No need to post pictures. The OP should just call the CDD and report a possible violation. The CDDs are "complaint driven" - they do not drive around looking for violations, they must be reported. What people might think is an eyesore is irrelevant; the CDD will come by and objectively evaluate what they see against the written standard.


Take a photo and post it here. So many people just look for something to complain about and make others lives miserable. If you post a photo everyone can see whether that it is truly an eyesore devaluing property or not. That's better than just complaining and people commenting on an image in their heads.

[graciegirl]

No need. The OP should just call the CDD and report a possible violation. The CDDs are "complaint driven" - they do not drive around looking for violations, they must be reported.

Making a phone call about a deed restriction is anonymous. Sending an email is under the transparency law here in Florida and could be viewed. .

[Marathon Man]

Make the report. You can do it anonymously. Let those in authority determine if a violation has occured.

[Bogie Shooter]

Take a photo and post it here. So many people just look for something to complain about and make others lives miserable. If you post a photo everyone can see whether that it is truly an eyesore devaluing property or not. That's better than just complaining and people commenting on an image in their heads.

TOTV posters do not determine deed restriction violations. That's the job of Community Standards.

[graciegirl]

You watched too much TV last week.....................

Bogie Shooter, I don't know who you really are because you want to remain anonymous. I am pretty sure you are from Ohio and you sit across the aisle from me politically, but if it weren't for you and your common sense remarks this forum would not be near as valuable as it is to everyone. You are a great person and a logical one and one with enormous practical knowledge but most of all you call "em the way you sees "em.. Thank you Bogie Shooter for your occasional PM's that say something on the order of "WHAT WERE YOU THINKIN"?????. You are my friend who I have never met.

[Bogie Shooter]

Oh my........:sigh::sigh:

[Marathon Man]

TOTV posters do not determine deed restriction violations. That's the job of Community Standards.

Agree. No need to debate it here. No need.

[jt9999]

Report it---simple

[rlcooper70]

The experience of living in the Villages depends on the residents creating a positive living environment and common courtesy. When that breaks down we have an obligation to take action. Call Community Standards for all the people who live here.

[villagerjack]

Making a phone call about a deed restriction is anonymous. Sending an email is under the transparency law here in Florida and could be viewed. .

Gracie they will investigate the incident even if the email does not reflect your name.

[daca55]

There is a home owner who rents a house on my street

He has a huge olive drab tailer with a tarp over it & he has "FOR SALE" signs on the tarp/

And, he has a blatant re "For Rent " sign in the front window of his property.

It is the tackiest thing I have ever seen in the villages & I believe its against community standards.

Yes I would definitely drop a dime on them. Call Community Watch. You do not have to give your name. We all bought in The Villages because we liked the way it looked and the way it was taken of. We don't ever want to lose that. Also there are probably rules that prevent someone from doing what they are doing. Community Watch should be able to help you. Good luck!!

[biker1]

No, do not call Community Watch, they do not have responsibility for this. Call Community Standards at 352-751-3912.

Yes I would definitely drop a dime on them. Call Community Watch. You do not have to give your name. We all bought in The Villages because we liked the way it looked and the way it was taken of. We don't ever want to lose that. Also there are probably rules that prevent someone from doing what they are doing. Community Watch should be able to help you. Good luck!!

[Chatbrat]

The dime has been dropped, the trailer is in violation

[bbbbbb]

We have seen in just a few years, the lack of some controls and the eyesore items that seem to be increasing in numbers. Have you noticed that there are multitudes of persons driving around in Villages cars and trucks, looking but are they really seeing?
All of this is visible and it does impact the quality of neighborhoods for sure. Let us not make it head downhill. If one person gets away with a violation, then the next person that wants to do the same can do it because he or she can say, well they did it for months and now you are picking on me. In court, they will win the right to violate the rules, who is enforcing the rules?
Let us all pull together to keep our nice areas nice. bbbbbb

[biker1]

A couple of issues. The Villages is "complaint driven" - there is nobody driving around looking for violations.

Secondly, I doubt the the argument "you are picking on me after months of time" will work around here. I have seen that work in our previous community with a weak Board but I don't think that will fly around here.

The rules are enforced by Community Standards.

Some CDDs have rules against "yard art". As long as it is not tacky I think you need to let that go in the interest of maintaining good relationships with your neighbors.

We have seen in just a few years, the lack of some controls and the eyesore items that seem to be increasing in numbers. Have you noticed that there are multitudes of persons driving around in Villages cars and trucks, looking but are they really seeing?
All of this is visible and it does impact the quality of neighborhoods for sure. Let us not make it head downhill. If one person gets away with a violation, then the next person that wants to do the same can do it because he or she can say, well they did it for months and now you are picking on me. In court, they will win the right to violate the rules, who is enforcing the rules?
Let us all pull together to keep our nice areas nice. bbbbbb

[Bushey]

It would be so nice if people took pride in their homes. What happen to trimming your shrubs and weeding your yard? In my area there is no rule about the height of shrubs. It has changed since we first moved here.

[bbbbbb]

There is a home owner who rents a house on my street.

He has a huge olive drab tailer with a tarp over it & he has "FOR SALE" signs on the tarp/

And, he has a blatant re "For Rent " sign in the front window of his property.

It is the tackiest thing I have ever seen in the villages & I believe its against community standards.

Remember the movie Cool Hand Luke? What we have here is a lack of communication. Well, we pay for services, have you noticed all the Village persons cruising around, burning gas, if we see the infractions, then why do the paid employees not see the problems when it is their job to patrol????? :shocked:

[tmbromley]

Drop the dime! These others that are making fun of your question are bozos. A trailer with a tarp and a 4 sale sign - give me a break! That's the kind of thing that makes the place look junky! What's next dryers in the yard, old cars on blocks? Paleeze, spare me and the rest of us. Forget the pitch forks and the tar and feathers, oh and the rail...🙄 And those silly comments and do what's right for our community! Good luck - no need to get mad just call the Villages office. Thanks

[Kisusn]

There is a home owner who rents a house on my street.

He has a huge olive drab tailer with a tarp over it & he has "FOR SALE" signs on the tarp/

And, he has a blatant re "For Rent " sign in the front window of his property.

It is the tackiest thing I have ever seen in the villages & I believe its against community standards.

Don't look now, but i think you just did drop your dime/

[Bogie Shooter]

We have seen in just a few years, the lack of some controls and the eyesore items that seem to be increasing in numbers. Have you noticed that there are multitudes of persons driving around in Villages cars and trucks, looking but are they really seeing?
All of this is visible and it does impact the quality of neighborhoods for sure. Let us not make it head downhill. If one person gets away with a violation, then the next person that wants to do the same can do it because he or she can say, well they did it for months and now you are picking on me. In court, they will win the right to violate the rules, who is enforcing the rules?
Let us all pull together to keep our nice areas nice. bbbbbb

Remember the movie Cool Hand Luke? What we have here is a lack of communication. Well, we pay for services, have you noticed all the Village persons cruising around, burning gas, if we see the infractions, then why do the paid employees not see the problems when it is their job to patrol????? :shocked:

Because its not their job.

Concerns about possible deed restriction violations may be provided to the Community Standards Deed Compliance Division by phone, fax, mail, electronic mail, or in person and may be made anonymously. The Community Standards Deed Compliance Division is entirely complaint driven.

You can read all about it at Village Community Development Districts (http://www.districtgov.org)

[Gpsma]

Cant wait to put up my plastic pink flamingos. No way could they be a Deed Restriction

[RickeyD]

Cant wait to put up my plastic pink flamingos. No way could they be a Deed Restriction



As long as you pick up their pink poop, it's all good.

[bbbbbb]

Hi, when we inquired about those items, at the Sales Office on two occasions, it was firmly clarified that these infractions would not fly! Very firm controls right? No. However, they do fly, this is after the sale, before the sale the rules were different. Seen it before, sad to see it again.
While shopping for a house, on 2 homes by owners for sale, they do clarify that trying to get something done in the tidy end of things is a bit difficult. So be it.
Please do not pass this off that it is no ones job to take the initiative. If management takes care of this, then it is done properly, if the local residents take the initiative, then the eggs can fly and the major eruptions happen and people move. Sorry to say, this is factual. Have seen it here and elsewhere. :duck:
bbbbbb.

[Duckfinger2]

Why not talk to them first ?
If they are renting maybe they do not know the restrictions.
I believe most people would like a heads up before someone drops a " dime on them ".

Dropping a dime without talking with them first is in my opinion taking a cowards way of dealing with a difficult issue or concern.

[Chatbrat]

They're landlords--they really don't live here-they're waiting on another renter or two--too cheap to spend storage on their POS trailer--its really a piece of junk

[Barefoot]

Have you noticed that there are multitudes of persons driving around in Villages cars and trucks, looking but are they really seeing? Are you referring to Community Watch personnel?
If so, it's not their responsibility to report infractions.
That's a resident complaint-driven process.
If it doesn't bother anyone in the neighborhood, then it's probably visually acceptable to the local community.

[outlaw]

Don't forget, clotheslines are acceptable, along with HAM radio antennas. I know flag poles are ok, but what about flags other than the US flag?

[Fredster]

Why not talk to them first ?
If they are renting maybe they do not know the restrictions.
I believe most people would like a heads up before someone drops a " dime on them ".

Dropping a dime without talking with them first is in my opinion taking a cowards way of dealing with a difficult issue or concern.

I agree, in fact community standards would prefer
you try to work it out together first,
if that is not satisfactory then a complaint can be filed.
If they are out of state you can spend a dime and call them!

[Chatbrat]

Face to face gets ugly with rednecks

[Fredster]

Face to face gets ugly with rednecks
Yes, I agree, it is difficult to have a nasty neighbor!

[Bogie Shooter]

Face to face gets ugly with rednecks

Please define rednecks?

[RickeyD]

Please define rednecks?

Wikipedia,

The term redneck is a derogatory term chiefly used for a rural poor white person of the Southern United States.[1][2] Its usage is similar in meaning to cracker (especially regarding Georgia and Florida), hillbilly (especially regarding Appalachia and the Ozarks),[3] and white trash (but without the last term's suggestions of immorality).[4][5][6]

By the 1970s, the term had become offensive slang, and its meaning had expanded to mean bigoted, loutish, and opposed to modern ways. [7]

Patrick Huber has emphasized the theme of masculinity [clarification needed] in the continued expansion of the term in the 20th century, noting, "The redneck has been stereotyped in the media and popular culture as a poor, dirty, uneducated, and racist Southern white man."

[Carl in Tampa]

Wikipedia,

The term redneck is a derogatory term chiefly used for a rural poor white person of the Southern United States.[1][2] Its usage is similar in meaning to cracker (especially regarding Georgia and Florida), hillbilly (especially regarding Appalachia and the Ozarks),[3] and white trash (but without the last term's suggestions of immorality).[4][5][6]

By the 1970s, the term had become offensive slang, and its meaning had expanded to mean bigoted, loutish, and opposed to modern ways. [7]

Patrick Huber has emphasized the theme of masculinity [clarification needed] in the continued expansion of the term in the 20th century, noting, "The redneck has been stereotyped in the media and popular culture as a poor, dirty, uneducated, and racist Southern white man."

Note first that Wikipedia entries are simply someone's opinion. Anyone can go in and modify the entry if they jump through a couple of registration hoops.

That said, the term redneck is said to originally have been used to indicate a farmer, due to the blistering effect of the sun on the back of the farmer's neck when working in the fields. Often, early farmers were less educated than city dwellers, so a degree of ignorance became associated with the term. Over time the term evolved to the definition given above.

The term "Cracker," most often associated with Florida or Georgia, is subject to controversy, particularly in Florida. Old line Florida families tend to insist the term referred to the early cattlemen who "cracked their whips" over cattle that were being driven. Today, there are more than 1 million head of cattle and 15,000 beef producers throughout Florida. Currently, Florida ranks 9th in overall cattle numbers nationwide.

The competing view, offered more often by Civil Rights activists, is that it referred to cracking whips on the backs of slaves.

So, whether or not being called a Cracker is pejorative depends to a degree on who is using the term and to whom they are referring.

[Nucky]

Mr. Chatbrat you are on the money in my opinion. Who needs that sort of thing in a beautiful community like this, you gave a measured response in my opinion. I think I get your drift on the "Redneck" thing. I take it as you referring to people from the south who act, speak, think and deal with their business differently from what we are accustomed to. They are very wise and have survived a long time here without city slickers like us. I believe they tolerate our ways because we are holding the money that they are trying to pocket by providing different services to us. You can see it when you start negotiating with them, they want to slice you up with their stare. They let us think we're in control but trust me they have us figured out totally. Redneck seems to be derogatory to me but they don't care as long as they get your money.

[Carl in Tampa]

Don't forget, clotheslines are acceptable, along with HAM radio antennas. I know flag poles are ok, but what about flags other than the US flag?

I think you have made a major error of fact with regard to Ham Radio Antennas. The only outdoor antennas allowed by the covenants are those receiving antennas for commercial radio and television, which are permitted by federal law.

That is why The Villages Amateur Radio Club provides it's members with instructions on how to build clandestine Ham Radio Antennas in their attics, or otherwise disguised.

Personally, I have a collapsible, portable antenna which I can set up and take down out in the yard or in the garage. It is not as efficient as a big aluminum antenna on the roof, with a rotor, but it has enabled me to make contacts deep into South America, and throughout the United States.

If you have information to the contrary about Ham Radio antennas in The Villages, I would be happy to hear it.

[Fred R]

In riding around in my little golf cart today I noticed 5 more homes with For Sale or For Rent signs in the windows. Somebody alert the media. Bad people are in town.

[perrjojo]

Wikipedia,

The term redneck is a derogatory term chiefly used for a rural poor white person of the Southern United States.[1][2] Its usage is similar in meaning to cracker (especially regarding Georgia and Florida), hillbilly (especially regarding Appalachia and the Ozarks),[3] and white trash (but without the last term's suggestions of immorality).[4][5][6]

By the 1970s, the term had become offensive slang, and its meaning had expanded to mean bigoted, loutish, and opposed to modern ways. [7]

Patrick Huber has emphasized the theme of masculinity [clarification needed] in the continued expansion of the term in the 20th century, noting, "The redneck has been stereotyped in the media and popular culture as a poor, dirty, uneducated, and racist Southern white man."
Being a Southern Belle I find great discomfort in this statement. Honestly some of the biggest rednecks I have met come from North of the Mason Dixon Line. What do you call them up there?

[Chi-Town]

Being a Southern Belle I find great discomfort in this statement. Honestly some of the biggest rednecks I have met come from North of the Mason Dixon Line. What do you call them up there?

We call them rednecks. Perhaps slightly derogatory but not all that bad.

[Barefoot]

Don't forget, clotheslines are acceptable, along with HAM radio antennas.
Clotheslines are acceptable? I'm very surprised. :shocked:

[Chatbrat]

At least he didn't park one his pickup trucks on the lawn--by the way for rent signs are ok

[ColdNoMore]

Please define rednecks?

A perfect example would be those that think parking an olive drab trailer, with a tarp and a for sale sign in TV...is perfectly acceptable.

[Chatbrat]

Or maybe they are not bothered sitting next to a person with a sleeveless shirt who hasn't showered in a week. Shaved and has three teeth in their mouth.

[graciegirl]

Or maybe they are not bothered sitting next to a person with a sleeveless shirt who hasn't showered in a week. Shaved and has three teeth in their mouth.

We don't see that much around here, but many people like the wood cut out of the bending over plump lady and think it is lovely in their front yards.

Artistic taste is not granted to us all, nor is music ability or good looks.

I am a huge fan of deed restrictions. It keeps me from being too creative and artistic and thus annoying my neighbors.

[maureenod]

At least he didn't park one his pickup trucks on the lawn--by the way for rent signs are ok

Is this in a Premier neighborhood?

[graciegirl]

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[RickeyD]

A perfect example would be those that think parking an olive drab trailer, with a tarp and a for sale sign in TV...is perfectly acceptable.



Only if it's a blue tarp is it considered unacceptable. Brown or green tarps seek favor within all classes of neighborhoods [emoji481]

[Harry Gilbert]

Where the term Redneck comes from.

Do You Know Where the Word "Redneck" Comes From? Mine Wars Museum Opens, Revives Lost Labor History | West Virginia Public Broadcasting (http://wvpublic.org/post/do-you-know-where-word-redneck-comes-mine-wars-museum-opens-revives-lost-labor-history)

[Chatbrat]

Harry you know the real history of the term "redneck"

[RickeyD]

This past weekend I installed 80' of stockade fencing along a partial piece of my backyard. This neighbor is an absolute messy person who's backyard resembles Fred Sanfords. I screwed the stockade to my existing post and rail. It looks like real crap on his side but nice on mine, plumb as plumb could possibly be. He can't do a thing about it cause there ain't no town statute against it, Including his junk piles.
Deed restrictions are good. Payback is even better.

[regas56]

Sign, sign, everywhere a sign.
Blockin' out the scenery, breakin' my mind.
Do this don't do that can't you read the sign... Well I guess even in our golden years it never ends...Sigh!!

[graciegirl]

This past weekend I installed 80' of stockade fencing along a partial piece of my backyard. This neighbor is an absolute messy person who's backyard resembles Fred Sanfords. I screwed the stockade to my existing post and rail. It looks like real crap on his side but nice on mine, plumb as plumb could possibly be. He can't do a thing about it cause there ain't no town statute against it, Including his junk piles.
Deed restrictions are good. Payback is even better.

Please clarify that is NOT HERE. That is back THERE.

A neighbor cut a large limb off of our tree in Cincinnati when we were here in The Villages during our snowbird time in the past. The neighbor felt our limb was interfering with his dish reception. Were we annoyed? You betcha. Did we say or do anything? No. We were gone half of the year. But we KNEW that wasn't nice. We would never have done that to anyone.

I hated owning two homes, but we never had any trouble with our neighbors. It takes two to make a fight. There are those who are raised to confront someone when they think they are out of line and those who are raised to NOT confront someone when they think they are out of line. One will never understand the other. One thinks the other is a big mouth and the one thinks the other is a wuss.

Deed restrictions help everyone, in my opinion.

[RickeyD]

Where the term Redneck comes from.



Do You Know Where the Word "Redneck" Comes From? Mine Wars Museum Opens, Revives Lost Labor History | West Virginia Public Broadcasting (http://wvpublic.org/post/do-you-know-where-word-redneck-comes-mine-wars-museum-opens-revives-lost-labor-history)



So, unrestrained capitalism is to blame ? And I thought the red neck came from aggressive barbers...

[graciegirl]

So, unrestrained capitalism is to blame ? And I thought the red neck came from aggressive barbers...

It all depends on where you live.

And somewhat on ignorance of other people's history.

Some folks think everyone in New York have relatives in the Mafia.

Mobspeak Glossary (http://www.sonic.net/~aman/mobspeak.html)

[RickeyD]

It all depends on where you live.

And somewhat on ignorance of other people's history.

Some folks think everyone in New York have relatives in the Mafia.

Mobspeak Glossary (http://www.sonic.net/~aman/mobspeak.html)



Not all of New York, just Brooklyn and Staten Island.

[RickeyD]

Please clarify that is NOT HERE. That is back THERE.

A neighbor cut a large limb off of our tree in Cincinnati when we were here in The Villages during our snowbird time in the past. The neighbor felt our limb was interfering with his dish reception. Were we annoyed? You betcha. Did we say or do anything? No. We were gone half of the year. But we KNEW that wasn't nice. We would never have done that to anyone.

I hated owning two homes, but we never had any trouble with our neighbors. It takes two to make a fight. There are those who are raised to confront someone when they think they are out of line and those who are raised to NOT confront someone when they think they are out of line. One will never understand the other. One thinks the other is a big mouth and the one thinks the other is a wuss.

Deed restrictions help everyone, in my opinion.



You didn't say, was the limb across his property line ? Please don't tell me it wasn't.

[graciegirl]

You didn't say, was the limb across his property line ? Please don't tell me it wasn't.

It wasn't. He felt it was blocking his dish on his roof.

He said to us that there was a storm and the limb fell off and it had jagged edges and he cut it straight for us. Neighbors saw the dish go up and the limb being cut down and heard him complaining about our tree. Our tree didn't hang or stick out on his property. It may have blocked his dish by being tall.

We are still alive and well and enjoying life and so is he. Glad to be here. He probably is too. Glad we are here.

[Gpsma]

Deed restrictions seem to be the Bible for Biddies and Obsessive Complainers.

Seems many retire only to be so concerned about every minor detail of their existence because they have nothing else to keep their mind busy.

[Nucky]

It all depends on where you live.

And somewhat on ignorance of other people's history.

Some folks think everyone in New York have relatives in the Mafia.

Mobspeak Glossary (http://www.sonic.net/~aman/mobspeak.html)

You mean they are not mobbed up? Oh My! :1rotfl:

[graciegirl]

Deed restrictions seem to be the Bible for Biddies and Obsessive Complainers.

Seems many retire only to be so concerned about every minor detail of their existence because they have nothing else to keep their mind busy.

People who are not concerned about keeping this place beautiful and well maintained are slophawgs. Just ask my mom.