Buyer Beware - Buying a Villa in The Villages

[rivaridger1]

When my wife and I first purchased our courtyard villa we knew all of the villa developments included rental properties and we thought some of those might be leased to full time residents and others during " the season " be rented to grandparents and couples on vacation with perhaps a few also being let to younger families. That was precisely the case until now.

What we did not bargain for was the rental villas being used as rented " bunk houses " for labor gangs consisting of 30 year old males all driving pick ups who are working either for the developer or the other commercial entities within the Villages area. That is exactly what is happening in our villa neighborhood and it is something the Village relator is probably not going to mention when trying to sell you a house.

Evidently some of the speculator owners do not care along with their rental agencies about this as long as the monthly rent check continues to arrive in the mail. This situation might exist with some of the less expensive designer home rentals as well.

We just keep watching the oil spots in the driveways of the units in question grow in size.

[Chatbrat]

Call community standards

[Down Sized]

Which villas are you located?

[graciegirl]

Call community standards

For what? People may rent their homes to anyone. I don't think it is some conspiracy, and I don't think that anyone is renting to "labor gangs". There are a lot of villa neighborhoods and a lot of people who post on here from a lot of them and this is the first we have heard of this. People get high prices for their homes and are careful who they rent to, they ARE their HOMES. There are always exceptions but I am skeptical.

I am asking the OP, whose first post it is, how many homes are involved and in what neighborhood, and I bet I won't hear back.

In new neighborhoods there are always more rentals as people wait until they retire to live in them year 'round.

[Chatbrat]

We moved out of a million dollar condo, after living in it less than 6 months,--in 2009 during the housing crisis- the condo ass. only cared about receiving dues--they ignored rental rules & allowed units to be rented to spring breakers on a weekly basis-

couldn't stand it came to the villages to see a polo match & bought a house the next day--got lucky sold the condo to a young DR. fairly quickly

What th OP says is very plausible.

[graciegirl]

I am asking the OP, whose first post it is, how many homes are involved and in what neighborhood, and I bet I won't hear back.

[Gpsma]

This is why the most important deed restriction should be limiting rentals to immediate family.

Of course, those who think they are retired real estate magnates would complain.

And the esteemed and beloved developer would lose sales.

[Chatbrat]

Minimum rentals 90 days @ a time

[graciegirl]

Hey OP. Come back and tell us WHAT neighborhood.

[pickleballfan]

The OP joined TOTV 3 years ago. Would imagine they are not a troll or would have done so much earlier.

[photo1902]

Hey OP. Come back and tell us WHAT neighborhood.

GG, not everyone spends every waking hour on this forum. Give the OP a chance to respond, if he or she will.

[bbbbbb]

Rentals of units? See the above comments.
Please do not attack me, this is the truth.
1. Rentals go to many persons, remember the trucks in driveways, leaking oil, with bales of hay or Alfalfa?
OK, persons participating in the Polo grounds activities, they even had the horse food in the truck. Discussed it with one cowboy.
2. Rental across the street and nearby, is for a couple of days, not to relatives, not to any restriction of any kind we know of.
3. Rental units driveways are being loaded up with patterns of black oil. Even maintenance persons are not supposed to but they do park there.
4. Rental units have a wide variety of activities, will not go into that.

No need to go after me on this, it is factual, we have seen it. Prefer not to dwell on it.
It seems when you buy a home, the sales person has a real good story. That story ends with a different set of facts, the day you close.
It is everywhere as far as we know, not just the Villages. Money talks and promises walk.

[RickeyD]

Hey OP. Come back and tell us WHAT neighborhood.



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[spring_chicken]

GG, not everyone spends every waking hour on this forum. Give the OP a chance to respond, if he or she will.

Some, but not everyone. Some also do not understand that red "offline" signal.

[Topspinmo]

Probably El Cortez CYVs. I rented there seems lots were exclusively rental properties due to the closeness of square. Weekly, monthly, or longer was the rates. Even the lady next door complained about all the rentals properties that been brought up. She also didn't like temporary people in the Chula Vista pool. I liked that area, but at the time nothing was for sale.

Probably same in all the older villa's in district one and two

[graciegirl]

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yeah right.......people are afraid to post sometimes for fear of being attacked by bullies....


This is me the bully. I say that people can rent their homes to anyone they want to. They cannot rent their homes to anyone who has children under 19 because of deed restrictions. They can rent their homes for one night if they want to. They can rent their homes to people who work for The Villages if they want to. Usually people will rent their homes for top dollar, as their homes are either their future year around home or have been purchased as an investment. I have never rented a home to anyone in all of my long life, but homes are rented here a LOT. I don't understand how anyone can say anything about other people renting their homes. I guess if there were awful oil spots in the driveway, that would be reason to call standards, but I don't recall that dirty driveways were listed as violations.

What sales agent would list all of the possible ugly scenarios about buying here? You could get Zika virus, you could catch the much talked about Villages STDs that are a fantasy, you could get hit by a golf cart, struck by lightning or fall in a sinkhole. You could have renters with trucks that leave oil spots down the street.

The post sounded to me like a troll, but I have been wrong before.

[Nucky]

For what? People may rent their homes to anyone. I don't think it is some conspiracy, and I don't think that anyone is renting to "labor gangs". There are a lot of villa neighborhoods and a lot of people who post on here from a lot of them and this is the first we have heard of this. People get high prices for their homes and are careful who they rent to, they ARE their HOMES. There are always exceptions but I am skeptical.

I am asking the OP, whose first post it is, how many homes are involved and in what neighborhood, and I bet I won't hear back.

In new neighborhoods there are always more rentals as people wait until they retire to live in them year 'round.

There will always be someone who is not happy with the person who lives in the area of their own home. Can you imagine if the law of the land changed to a 90 day minimum on rentals? New problem...foreclosures and unnecessary tension in a most landlords lives. We just rented for 30 days in a Patio Villa in a beautiful neighborhood and could feel the icy stares of the disgruntled neighbors because we were renting and they feel that renters just don't belong. Thankfully for them we found this out when we were getting our deposit back from the house babysitter. Who the hell do you think you are even thinking about limiting rentals. This is still the USA and free enterprise is a beautiful thing. We left the rental in showroom condition and resent your renter remark Mr. or Mrs. Op. Mrs Gracie usually not to much is heard back on a first time poster when they come out guns blazing like this and I for one love how spunky you are and your love for TV drives you to dig for answers. I feel like your looking out for everyone.:bigbow:

[Happydaz]

Hey OP. Come back and tell us WHAT neighborhood.

We have a case in our neighborhood of Pinellas. I don't live in this villa area, but I do live in Pinellas and I am familiar with what the OP was describing. The reason all the rest of us around the area are familiar with this rental is that groups of young men come after dinner and dive into the Pinellas pool, often in shorts, and appear to have just finished work. They arrive in large pickup trucks. The Villages' pool monitors are aware of this and have told the young men they can't swim in the pool without passes. A villa has been rented to a construction boss and a number of workers are housed in the villa. I don't know the exact numeber, but the neighbor estimates at least eight young men in their twenties and thirties. Sometimes a van or a couple of pickup trucks drop them off at the villa in the evening and come back for them in the morning. One of the neighbors I spoke to said there were times he couldn't get his golf cart out of his driveway because the trucks and van blocked the street. Different people in the Villages have been contacted but no one has done anything about it. Don't be so hard on new posters just because you want everything perfect. It is not very nice. The OP reported a true case of a group of young workers being housed by their construction boss in a rental villa in The Villages.

[Topspinmo]

We have a case in our neighborhood of Pinellas. I don't live in this villa area, but I do live in Pinellas and I am familiar with what the OP was describing. The reason all the rest of us around the area are familiar with this rental is that groups of young men come after dinner and dive into the Pinellas pool, often in shorts, and appear to have just finished work. They arrive in large pickup trucks. The Villages' pool monitors are aware of this and have told the young men they can't swim in the pool without passes. A villa has been rented to a construction boss and a number of workers are housed in the villa. I don't know the exact numeber, but the neighbor estimates at least eight young men in their twenties and thirties. Sometimes a van or a couple of pickup trucks drop them off at the villa in the evening and come back for them in the morning. One of the neighbors I spoke to said there were times he couldn't get his golf cart out of his driveway because the trucks and van blocked the street. Different people in the Villages have been contacted but no one has done anything about it. Don't be so hard on new posters just because you want everything perfect. It is not very nice. The OP reported a true case of a group of young workers being housed by their construction boss in a rental villa in The Villages.

To bad they not in any of the three Bridgeport villages, bet it would be Capitol offense with every law emforcement officer from three counties descending on the perks

[Nucky]

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[RickeyD]

We have a case in our neighborhood of Pinellas. I don't live in this villa area, but I do live in Pinellas and I am familiar with what the OP was describing. The reason all the rest of us around the area are familiar with this rental is that groups of young men come after dinner and dive into the Pinellas pool, often in shorts, and appear to have just finished work. They arrive in large pickup trucks. The Villages' pool monitors are aware of this and have told the young men they can't swim in the pool without passes. A villa has been rented to a construction boss and a number of workers are housed in the villa. I don't know the exact numeber, but the neighbor estimates at least eight young men in their twenties and thirties. Sometimes a van or a couple of pickup trucks drop them off at the villa in the evening and come back for them in the morning. One of the neighbors I spoke to said there were times he couldn't get his golf cart out of his driveway because the trucks and van blocked the street. Different people in the Villages have been contacted but no one has done anything about it. Don't be so hard on new posters just because you want everything perfect. It is not very nice. The OP reported a true case of a group of young workers being housed by their construction boss in a rental villa in The Villages.

Hoping these young workers trash the hell out of this POS landlords house. :rant-rave:

[villagerjack]

Rentals of units? See the above comments.
Please do not attack me, this is the truth.
1. Rentals go to many persons, remember the trucks in driveways, leaking oil, with bales of hay or Alfalfa?
OK, persons participating in the Polo grounds activities, they even had the horse food in the truck. Discussed it with one cowboy.
2. Rental across the street and nearby, is for a couple of days, not to relatives, not to any restriction of any kind we know of.
3. Rental units driveways are being loaded up with patterns of black oil. Even maintenance persons are not supposed to but they do park there.
4. Rental units have a wide variety of activities, will not go into that.

No need to go after me on this, it is factual, we have seen it. Prefer not to dwell on it.
It seems when you buy a home, the sales person has a real good story. That story ends with a different set of facts, the day you close.
It is everywhere as far as we know, not just the Villages. Money talks and promises walk.

Been here 10 years in a Courtyard Villa and never saw a single instance of what you are referring to. The lack of any real evidence of your descriptions is disturbing. I do question some of the motivations of some who may not even live in the Villages since these kinds if comments would tend to affect home values. So why would anyone stoop to that level??

[villagerjack]

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yeah right.......people are afraid to post sometimes for fear of being attacked by bullies....

If something that negative is being posted, it should be true and if it is true, the poster should show some evidence. Personally, if I was in his position and after consulting Community Standards, the situation was not rectified, I would place my home for sale without making any negative comments on a web site like this. I would let the market decide but now that the poster has identified What he considers deficiencies in his/her neighborhood, it is incumbent upon them to tell any prospective buyers of the deficiencies or face a lawsuit from his buyers.

So, I agree with Gracie on this and if the poster cannot come clean and show evidence of the complaints the Administrator should remove his post. Free speech does not mean we can demean others freely.

[villagerjack]

Hoping these young workers trash the hell out of this POS landlords house. :rant-rave:

I cannot imagine that Community Standards if notified would not respond to a situation like this. It appears to be a flagrant violation.

[rexxfan]

The post sounded to me like a troll, but I have been wrong before.
Sad that seeking the truth is interpreted as bullying.
--
Bob C

[justjim]

There are a couple of other Threads regarding rentals. It's pretty much the same song---sort of like the "poop threads". The Villages is a deed restricted community, however, there is nothing in your deed restrictions keeping the owner from renting your house by the day, week, month or year. It is what it is.

Many condo communities in Florida do have restrictions regarding rentals. Most that I am familiar with have a 3 month minimum. Again, that is not the case in The Villages.

[ColdNoMore]

GG, not everyone spends every waking hour on this forum. Give the OP a chance to respond, if he or she will.

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[jjdees]

Here comes the PC BS, "labor gangs" is also inflammatory and not the same as " groups of young workers" Puleeze... The poster complained about something occurring in their area, wherever it is, others have corroborated like situations and the court has opened for trial. Get a life folks.

[villagerjack]

Here comes the PC BS, "labor gangs" is also inflammatory and not the same as " groups of young workers" Puleeze... The poster complained about something occurring in their area, wherever it is, others have corroborated like situations and the court has opened for trial. Get a life folks.

He implied it was the entire area. One person, not "others" was describing a single condition. Do you call the bankers sitting on a bench outside the bank having lunch " labor gangs"? No need for that. Not PC just respect for the workers,

Yes, words do matter and in this case " descriptions " do matter. I am probably the least PC person you will ever know but IMO. And I do have an O, trashing an entire neighborhood is drastically different than than citing a single instance where, if the proper authorities were contacted I am sure it could be rectified especially if the contractor works for The Villages.

[asianthree]

I wonder if the owner knows what is going on at their home. I would be sending them a email quick

[spring_chicken]

We have a case in our neighborhood of Pinellas. I don't live in this villa area, but I do live in Pinellas and I am familiar with what the OP was describing. The reason all the rest of us around the area are familiar with this rental is that groups of young men come after dinner and dive into the Pinellas pool, often in shorts, and appear to have just finished work. They arrive in large pickup trucks. The Villages' pool monitors are aware of this and have told the young men they can't swim in the pool without passes. A villa has been rented to a construction boss and a number of workers are housed in the villa. I don't know the exact numeber, but the neighbor estimates at least eight young men in their twenties and thirties. Sometimes a van or a couple of pickup trucks drop them off at the villa in the evening and come back for them in the morning. One of the neighbors I spoke to said there were times he couldn't get his golf cart out of his driveway because the trucks and van blocked the street. Different people in the Villages have been contacted but no one has done anything about it. Don't be so hard on new posters just because you want everything perfect. It is not very nice. The OP reported a true case of a group of young workers being housed by their construction boss in a rental villa in The Villages.

:bigbow:

[dbussone]

There are a couple of other Threads regarding rentals. It's pretty much the same song---sort of like the "poop threads". The Villages is a deed restricted community, however, there is nothing in your deed restrictions keeping the owner from renting your house by the day, week, month or year. It is what it is.

Many condo communities in Florida do have restrictions regarding rentals. Most that I am familiar with have a 3 month minimum. Again, that is not the case in The Villages.



We once had a condo with a 3 month minimum rental. One unit was owned by a family from The Netherlands. It was the largest family I ever saw (and I'm Italian.) Every week there was a different family group showing up. There is a way around every rule.

[maryanna630]

I personally do not like to see posters belittled and accused of being trolls. That is the end of any discussion. Other posters stated that there were issues with multiple renters in their neighborhoods. Usually there are zoning restrictions as well as deed restrictions that address the number of people allowed to rent at any one time. Also, many communities restrict "commercial" types of rentals in residential neighborhoods. I am rather concerned at the number of rentals here as opposed to owner occupied dwellings. Usually, there is a tipping point and then the community is not as desireable.
Many of you may not agree.....

[buzzy]

We once had a condo with a 3 month minimum rental. One unit was owned by a family from The Netherlands. It was the largest family I ever saw (and I'm Italian.) Every week there was a different family group showing up. There is a way around every rule.

Wow. Had a neighbor like that back at the North Palm Beach condo. The Scandinavian owner was a real estate agent. Guests would always claim to be relatives. We felt that they were clients being put up during house hunting expeditions.

[gerryann]

GG, not everyone spends every waking hour on this forum. Give the OP a chance to respond, if he or she will.

They won't. Just trolling to cause a concern.

[villagerjack]

There are a couple of other Threads regarding rentals. It's pretty much the same song---sort of like the "poop threads". The Villages is a deed restricted community, however, there is nothing in your deed restrictions keeping the owner from renting your house by the day, week, month or year. It is what it is.

Many condo communities in Florida do have restrictions regarding rentals. Most that I am familiar with have a 3 month minimum. Again, that is not the case in The Villages.


A three month restriction would go a long way toward reducing property values BIG TIME.

[rivaridger1]

Interesting response. Come out, come out wherever you are ---- Come on, get real. Suggest you check with the management of The Village sales office at Lake Sumter Landing who we understand has been apprised of the situation and also the Recreation Dept. who has already dealt with one pool party and chased more then a few individuals out as a result. Okay, eight or nine young men piling into a pick up truck to go to work early every morning is not a " labor gang ". It is simply eight or nine or more young men piling into the back of a pick up truck every morning to go to work. You are also absolutely correct people can rent their homes to anyone and that is exactly what the folks at the rental division of the Villages Realty have evidently said.

[rubicon]

I personally do not like to see posters belittled and accused of being trolls. That is the end of any discussion. Other posters stated that there were issues with multiple renters in their neighborhoods. Usually there are zoning restrictions as well as deed restrictions that address the number of people allowed to rent at any one time. Also, many communities restrict "commercial" types of rentals in residential neighborhoods. I am rather concerned at the number of rentals here as opposed to owner occupied dwellings. Usually, there is a tipping point and then the community is not as desireable.
Many of you may not agree.....

maryanna you spoke my mind. I have tried to have a rationale discussion concerning rentals since I have been here because like you I too have a concern as to how it affects The Villages. Its clear that the profit motive motivates people to be innovative in how they get around restrictions. And its clear that some of those who rent will want a big bang for their buck. Its also likely that a marketing person here is good at deflection "artful dodgers" And while an owner has the right to rent to anyone for as long s/he likes one wonders as to how they get the right to assign their amenity rights to countless others. It is in my view a practice that goes against the very marketing claims of this development. specifically they said if you want the villages lifestyle pony up a premium for it. Here we now have a owner who was offered that same option passing along for a fee that premium to multiple (countless) non-residents and at other residents expense. so the next time a full time resident can't get that tee time or pickle ball court or rec center room ask yourself how many non residents have taken up your space. And one wonders exactly how many of those owners actually bought a house to live here?

The situation the OP speaks of his deplorable whether its one villa or several because if its one then tomorrow its two and so forth and so forth.

simply stated if the rules of this community are allowed to be violated then we will all suffer. Ask yourself is this the word picture you were told existed here? Many of us invested a good portion of our retirement savings for what we believed would be passed on to our heirs because we believed it was a good investment that would maintain its originality. In my view this is a legitimate concern I opine others can decide

[ColdNoMore]

I personally do not like to see posters belittled and accused of being trolls. That is the end of any discussion.

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[rockyisle]

For what it's worth, when we first came to TV, we rented a ranch home in Amelia for 6 months. Our neighbors greeted us with joy as the previous renters had been there for a year. They were described as a couple of construction workers who made the house their party house. Big drinking parties every night - drunk and unconscious men on their lawn, etc. I can attest that they had a keg cooler in the house (removed before we moved in). Neighbors said they called the police and TV folks about them each and every week. Police would come, roust them out - nothing changed. Landlord didn't care - rent was coming in just fine.

I think the hidden point the OP was making is that TV is "sold" as a 55+ retirement community. What is never said is the fact that anyone of any age over _______ (moving target) can purchase or rent a home and live here as long as they don't have kids under the age of ____ (also a moving target). I know our mindset was of people of like ages living all around us. Rentals would be filled with people of like ages...

That's just not the reality of TV. And by not complaining about rentals that seem out of control, we make that our new normal. For those of you who are deriding the OP for complaining, I'm guessing you'd be the first and the loudest if it was happening in your neighborhood.

Just my thoughts.... worth almost nothing.

[photo1902]

For what it's worth, when we first came to TV, we rented a ranch home in Amelia for 6 months. Our neighbors greeted us with joy as the previous renters had been there for a year. They were described as a couple of construction workers who made the house their party house. Big drinking parties every night - drunk and unconscious men on their lawn, etc. I can attest that they had a keg cooler in the house (removed before we moved in). Neighbors said they called the police and TV folks about them each and every week. Police would come, roust them out - nothing changed. Landlord didn't care - rent was coming in just fine.

I think the hidden point the OP was making is that TV is "sold" as a 55+ retirement community. What is never said is the fact that anyone of any age over _______ (moving target) can purchase or rent a home and live here as long as they don't have kids under the age of ____ (also a moving target). I know our mindset was of people of like ages living all around us. Rentals would be filled with people of like ages...

That's just not the reality of TV. And by not complaining about rentals that seem out of control, we make that our new normal. For those of you who are deriding the OP for complaining, I'm guessing you'd be the first and the loudest if it was happening in your neighborhood.

Just my thoughts.... worth almost nothing.

:bigbow:

[PennBF]

I am betting the farm that the ones who don't see anything wrong with this own large homes and are not exposed to the problems short term, non restricted rentals bring to a community. I doubt they care about the one who, because of the nature of the community have no way to protect against the abuse. Am I wrong?:wave:

[bbbbbb]

When my wife and I first purchased our courtyard villa we knew all of the villa developments included rental properties and we thought some of those might be leased to full time residents and others during " the season " be rented to grandparents and couples on vacation with perhaps a few also being let to younger families. That was precisely the case until now.

What we did not bargain for was the rental villas being used as rented " bunk houses " for labor gangs consisting of 30 year old males all driving pick ups who are working either for the developer or the other commercial entities within the Villages area. That is exactly what is happening in our villa neighborhood and it is something the Village relator is probably not going to mention when trying to sell you a house.

Evidently some of the speculator owners do not care along with their rental agencies about this as long as the monthly rent check continues to arrive in the mail. This situation might exist with some of the less expensive designer home rentals as well.

We just keep watching the oil spots in the driveways of the units in question grow in size.
Thank you for the comment on Oil DRippings. We contacted the Villages Office, well, it seems no one cares. We have a beautiful place and why do we have to turn it into another La or Chicago. Leaking cars from anyone in the driveway should be a very big fine and towed away. Only if the management and only if the people want neat and tidy neighborhoods, hopefully, it may happen. In southern Cal. a Del Webb will or did, have rules. If you do not pull your car in the garage, you get a notice. If you do not close your garage door, they do it and will give you a notice. All of this is spelled out and it is not occupant driven, it is patrolled and monitored and it is the most clean and orderly and attractive place you have ever seen, but, it is in Cal. We could but will not have that here.
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[villagetinker]

I have no direct knowledge of some of the rental problems being described in the previous posts, however below is a direct quote from the VCDD website:

Residential Use Restrictions: Property must be devoted only to single-family residential use. Properties within the Subdivision are intended for residential use and no commercial, professional or similar activity requiring either maintaining an inventory, equipment or customer/client visits may be conducted in a Home or on a Homesite.

Please those of you that know of these situations, CALL community standards 352-751-3912 and explain the situation. If you CALL your complaint is anonymous.
Hope this helps.

[bbbbbb]

If something that negative is being posted, it should be true and if it is true, the poster should show some evidence. Personally, if I was in his position and after consulting Community Standards, the situation was not rectified, I would place my home for sale without making any negative comments on a web site like this. I would let the market decide but now that the poster has identified What he considers deficiencies in his/her neighborhood, it is incumbent upon them to tell any prospective buyers of the deficiencies or face a lawsuit from his buyers.

So, I agree with Gracie on this and if the poster cannot come clean and show evidence of the complaints the Administrator should remove his post. Free speech does not mean we can demean others freely.

From bbbbbb
Please be careful, when you want evidence, you are really running the risk of Exposure and retaliation. This control is best handled with the main office and Standards. They need to observe and take action if they want a beautiful place. If the employees of the Village, drive around and park along side each other, visiting, and if the management wants every person to expose themselves to retaliation, then there will be no progress or very little progress on this item. In one city, a person parked his car on the front lawn. There was nothing about this in the CC and Rs. Well a couple of persons complained and next thing, the offender drug up a couple of rusty old cars in provided by a friend. So take that folks !! The neighborhood could do nothing legally to stop the mess, just move away. It comes down to facing the problem, having a management group that cares, otherwise, you just spin your wheels. If you want to rationalize this or look the other way, (that is done here on this site), then you may see some real messes. Enough of that. Been there SEEN THAT THREE TIMES.

[justjim]

I am betting the farm that the ones who don't see anything wrong with this own large homes and are not exposed to the problems short term, non restricted rentals bring to a community. I doubt they care about the one who, because of the nature of the community have no way to protect against the abuse. Am I wrong?:wave:

I'm not sure what you mean by a large home. Is a "designer" a large home? Anyway, I know many people who you may be talking about who do many hours a week of volunteer work helping in soup kitchens, thrift stores, hospital, etc. etc. and who donate not only their money but also their time to many community charities. Let's not put those who worked hard, grew up poor and saved their money and happen to own a large house into a pigeon hole of not caring about their "brothers and sisters" who are less fortunate. That is not fair and As one who has lived in The Villages 10 years (first home was a patio Villa) I don't find that living in a large home has anything to do with this Thread.

I'm guessing that the "boss" who rented the Villa for the workers thought that because it was behind closed walls that would make it all right. This situation is an exception and not the rule in The Villages. None of us would want to live next door, behind or across the street from what the OP described. Just a thought........

[bbbbbb]

Been here 10 years in a Courtyard Villa and never saw a single instance of what you are referring to. The lack of any real evidence of your descriptions is disturbing. I do question some of the motivations of some who may not even live in the Villages since these kinds if comments would tend to affect home values. So why would anyone stoop to that level??

From bbbbbb We do live in the Villages. We really like the Villages and we want to see it preserved. We actually do things to promote that. It seems some folks have different standards, some folks care and some do not. For posters who have expressed concern, they may see a trend and are trying to do something about it, that is admiral in our book and it is a nice thing to see that a lot of folks recognize a problem and want to see a solution. Just downgrading that person accomplishes nothing for sure. For the postings that are here, it seems most folks want to increase home values in a positive way.
Good luck to those who care. bbbbbb
:wave:

[bbbbbb]

I'm not sure what you mean by a large home. Is a "designer" a large home? Anyway, I know many people who you may be talking about who do many hours a week of volunteer work helping in soup kitchens, thrift stores, hospital, etc. etc. and who donate not only their money but also their time to many community charities. Let's not put those who worked hard, grew up poor and saved their money and happen to own a large house into a pigeon hole of not caring about their "brothers and sisters" who are less fortunate. That is not fair and As one who has lived in The Villages 10 years (first home was a patio Villa) I don't find that living in a large home has anything to do with this Thread.

I'm guessing that the "boss" who rented the Villa for the workers thought that because it was behind closed walls that would make it all right. This situation is an exception and not the rule in The Villages. None of us would want to live next door, behind or across the street from what the OP described. Just a thought........


bbbbb The post by PENNbf is outstanding for sure.
:wave:

[Fuzz323]

NIMBY applies here - "Until I can hear it and see it it doesn't bother me" But if it IS next door WOW!!

[asianthree]

Depending on the neighbor I can sometimes take their comments with a grain of salt. First house a patio villa, we had a neighbor few doors down, tell us when we came down, how much the owner never cared about the house, took care of the house. She would have to call and have the lawn cut and the shrubs taken care of, have someone clean the outside of the house and added pine straw and sent the bill to the owners. I asked one day how well she knew the owners and she said very well they've just never shown up after they first bought the house. Your just a renter. I smiled not sure if she was just very confused. She had come to our house on five separate occasions, didn't realize that we are the owners. Sometimes there are those neighbors who are confused on different days. Our other neighbors in fact would email us and let us know everything was doing well after storms, at our house as well as our home watch person. Sometimes you just get a crazy neighbor. We sold the house and the new owners love the house use it as a vacation home, however the crazy neighbor down the street is now calling them and threatening them to have things done to the house because they just don't care. New owners love the house don't appreciate the neighbor. Glad we moved. I don't agree that all owners who rent don't care about their home, it's about the money. If there is a problem you could drop a note to the owner, they may not know what's going on.

[justjim]

No retirement community is perfect but after looking at several over a span of three years we settled on Florida and The Villages. The Villages is by far the best IMHO. I have no idea why the Developer didn't put a minimum of 3 months on renting a house in the deed restrictions. Personally, I think it would have been a good idea. Perhaps, it was because of not having a mandatory HOA and having the HOA deal with violators or perhaps something else. At this point it really doesn't matter. It is what it is and The Villages is still a great place to live.

[Barefoot]

This situation is an exception and not the rule in The Villages.
I think that is a true observation.

[CFrance]

I wonder if there is an occupancy rate restriction for single family homes in whatever county this villa the OP refers to is in.

[Bogie Shooter]

Interesting response. Come out, come out wherever you are ---- Come on, get real. Suggest you check with the management of The Village sales office at Lake Sumter Landing who we understand has been apprised of the situation and also the Recreation Dept. who has already dealt with one pool party and chased more then a few individuals out as a result. Okay, eight or nine young men piling into a pick up truck to go to work early every morning is not a " labor gang ". It is simply eight or nine or more young men piling into the back of a pick up truck every morning to go to work. You are also absolutely correct people can rent their homes to anyone and that is exactly what the folks at the rental division of the Villages Realty have evidently said.

What does this mean? Second hand? Told by someone at the Sales Office?

[graciegirl]

I am betting the farm that the ones who don't see anything wrong with this own large homes and are not exposed to the problems short term, non restricted rentals bring to a community. I doubt they care about the one who, because of the nature of the community have no way to protect against the abuse. Am I wrong?:wave:

I believe that no matter the size of the home, the rules are the same. Can you imagine how a person would feel if they read on here that those living in a smaller home don't care about other people having problems with uncaring renters abusing a situation??? What in the world does the size of the home and the implied amount of money have to do with how people care about others???

I will tell you. Not a damn thing.

P.S. We rented in Harmeswood when our home was being built. Homes of all shapes and sizes are rented to all kinds of people...MOSTLY NICE well behaved people. As others have said, this isn't a widespread problem. It is deplorable but not the norm. Why would anyone want to make people think that it is the norm???

[rjm1cc]

I think this is a good reminder that the rental policy in a community is important. I think daily, weekly etc rentals are not in keeping with what most people are looking for in a retirement community. I think their are reasons why residences may want/need to rent their property but I think requirements such as 6 month or 1 year rental periods are a reasonable compromise for all.

[rivaridger1]

This is for Bogie Shooter who likes to parse. We are required to be nice, so I will be. At any time you can phone The Villages sales office at Lake Sumter Landing ask for a manager and inquire whether there have been any complaints about this situation. You can also call the recreation department and ask whether the statements in this thread about asking young men in masse to leave the Pinellas pool are factual. You have questions. Why not obtain the answers to them from the proverbial horses mouth ?

[jbdlfan]

My hypothesis..... owner of construction company, be it concrete or home builder, buys home for a great price considering the relationship with the developer. One of the perks in hiring is a rent free home while employee is working. Once area is built out, rehab home and sell for a profit. Seems reasonable to me. Don't agree with it, but just my assessment.

[ColdNoMore]

My hypothesis..... owner of construction company, be it concrete or home builder, buys home for a great price considering the relationship with the developer. One of the perks in hiring is a rent free home while employee is working. Once area is built out, rehab home and sell for a profit. Seems reasonable to me. Don't agree with it, but just my assessment.

You make a good point and my gut feeling is that you very well may be correct.

If I owned a construction company doing long term work in TV, I would certainly look very hard at this exact option.



As to limiting rents to 3 months or more, I am a bit ambivalent on that one.

A two week, then a month rental the following year.....is what made up our minds to buy here.

Had we not had that option, it's entirely likely that we would have missed being able to live the entire TV 'experience.' :shrug:

Conversely, short-term rentals to those who are not all that responsible to begin with...can be a real issue.

[kstew43]

I am betting the farm that the ones who don't see anything wrong with this own large homes and are not exposed to the problems short term, non restricted rentals bring to a community. I doubt they care about the one who, because of the nature of the community have no way to protect against the abuse. Am I wrong?:wave:

just imagine how many workers you could squeeze into a bigger home...

3 beds to a room and 3 more in the den, 3 in the dining room....probably fit about 15 or more construction workers, all splitting the rent, 15 ways.....pretty darn cheap.....about 6-8 trucks squeezed in the driveway..... welcome neighbors....

Think about it.... it could happen... need changes in the rules .....

[kstew43]

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[justjim]

A three month restriction would go a long way toward reducing property values BIG TIME.

Perhaps I'm not the brightest bulb in the ceiling but (off the top of my head) fail to see how a 3 month minimum for rentals would drop property values Big Time as you say. Many condo complexes along both coast of Florida (properties ($300,000 to $750,000) have such restrictions and I know of deed restricted subdivisions that even have deed restrictions of 1 year minimum lease and some no renting period. Their property values have not reduced at all. Some would argue this makes their homes more valuable.

Anyway, the point is rather mute as it is what it is in The Villages and way too late to make a change. What the OP pointed out is the exception not the rule in The Villages IMHO.

[ColdNoMore]

I am betting the farm that the ones who don't see anything wrong with this own large homes and are not exposed to the problems short term, non restricted rentals bring to a community. I doubt they care about the one who, because of the nature of the community have no way to protect against the abuse.

Am I wrong?:wave:


No, you are not.

[asianthree]

I am betting the farm that the ones who don't see anything wrong with this own large homes and are not exposed to the problems short term, non restricted rentals bring to a community. I doubt they care about the one who, because of the nature of the community have no way to protect against the abuse. Am I wrong?:wave:

What do you consider large homes? Our home now is less square feet than our basement in our two story house up north. Most seem to downsize here. There are two premiers down the street that are rented. The only problem was their SUVs was too tall to garage it, so it was in the drive, they were young, but I love the mix of people who come here.

[Schaumburger]

You make a good point and my gut feeling is that you very well may be correct.

If I owned a construction company doing long term work in TV, I would certainly look very hard at this exact option.



As to limiting rents to 3 months or more, I am a bit ambivalent on that one.

A two week, then a month rental the following year.....is what made up our minds to buy here.

Had we not had that option, it's entirely likely that we would have missed being able to live the entire TV 'experience.' :shrug:

Conversely, short-term rentals to those who are not all that responsible to begin with...can be a real issue.

I have rented in The Villages several times since 2011. All of my rentals have been short term (one to two weeks). I would love to be able to rent in TV for three to six months, but I am still working, and their aren't too many employers who will give an employee 3 months vacation to check out TV. I have a feeling that there are probably quite a few potential buyers who are younger (55 to 60) who are in the same boat as I am and can only rent for a month or less.

This short term renter has always been well behaved -- no accidents, arrests, traffic tickets, wild parties, damage to the home or golf cart. I have always received 100% of my security deposit back when the rentals have ended.

If rentals were limited to a minimum of 3 or 6 months, would there be a lot of potential buyers who would miss out on the The Villages experience? I know some have posted that they have purchased a home during their first visit or first rental or during a lifestyle preview visit, but I am betting many people don't buy until after their second or third rental just to be sure ownership in TV is the right decision.

It is up to landlords to check out the backgrounds of their potential tenants before the lease is signed. If any landlord wanted to check me out, I would be happy to provide references. And if I were a landlord, I would be checking on the backgrounds and references of potential tenants before the lease would be signed.

[goodtimesintv]

Minimum 3-months of rental would do nothing.

Personally, I think that if renters are trashing the place and are behaving like trash, it's better to have them out after ONE month, not wait for three/four/five/six months to pass!!

[rubicon]

Minimum 3-months of rental would do nothing.

Personally, I think that if renters are trashing the place and are behaving like trash, it's better to have them out after ONE month, not wait for three/four/five/six months to pass!!

Referring to my #38 post as respects this thread I speculated at the time I wrote it that perhaps the Developer who has some close associations with his subcontracts devised this arrangement in order to complete the build out and in doing so helped by reducing contractor employee turnover. I ignored it because it would have deviated from this topic. However some 3-4 posters have brought it up. It is a possibility.

As respects my post #38 and my great concern for TV's rental policy I did as some posters suggested took it to the District > I was summarily told they had no legal or administrative power to do anything about it. so I posed the rhetorical question of then who does and do you have an address?

The above poster posit that a three month policy allows renters to thrash the place for 3 months. this may be a possibility since no one seems to be policing who lives here and certainly if the home is purchased for solely rental purposes, well rent is income and income is profit and the rest be damned .

I happen to disagree and would prefer long term rental agreements because this is our home and we should treat it as such and not a vacation destination because the latter will create the chaos, etc found in other Florida communities.

There is a built in problem within this community in addition to the no rules application of rentals but I'll leave that for another discussion.

In the years that I have lived here this is the very first time I have witnessed so many people publicly showing concern for their investment and having a rational discussion about the effect it has on our community. Indeed this is not about RENTERS many of whom are welcome additions. NO rather its about the RENTAL RULES OR LACK THEREOF THAT HAS AN EFFECT ON OUR WAY OF LIFE AND OUR FINANCIAL INVESTMENT.

The question I still have is exactly how important is it to you as a resident? I also posed these same sort of questions to the POA and perhaps I am wrong but was left with the impressed they were not interested.

The rental policy is measured only as it is profitable to those who have financial interests in making a profit. Well the rest of us have a financial interest in our invested properties and we should likewise be concerned. There is a win win here but first we need residents to speak up...and the higher the dollar amount of your investment the greater the potential loss, albeit many resident have invested near their life savings in this community.

My thought is if the POA gets a sufficient number of inquiries showing concern here that it may prompt them to act. I did and 1 is the loneliest number that there ever was....... Perhaps residents will disagree with me entirely and this is not an issue at all? I opine others can decide
Personal Best Regards:

[Chatbrat]

Post a picture of whats happening--this thread without real proof is worthless--pictures from the pool, pictures of the trucks in the driveway--pictures of the beds/cots

[Cedwards38]

I'm not weighing in on whether they did or didn't rent a villa to laborers, but the OP doesn't mention anything that these renters did wrong. Are they loud? Do they make a mess? Are they violating parking restrictions? Are they disrespectful? It certainly isn't wrong to rent a property to someone who is a laborer.

[maureenod]

If they are getting picked up at dropped off, they are probably illegals. I would think there would be cheaper rentals outside the bubble, unless the owner is the subcontractor.

How would one get pictures of the beds, or why? Peeping Tom.

[ColdNoMore]

Ridiculous! Do you want signed statements submitted? How about we get the Orlando TV stations involved. Maybe also the state and national newspapers. You want pictures?

There are three posters on this thread that have reported this situation. It is real. If you don't believe us that is your problem. The OP said call the Villages rec department and see if a Pinellas pool monitor asked a group of young men to leave. They probably won't disclose this info to you, but you could try. You want real proof? Get it yourself. I have never seen so many obnoxious, nervy people on one thread.

:BigApplause:.....:BigApplause:.....:BigApplause:

[ColdNoMore]

If they are getting picked up at dropped off, they are probably illegals. I would think there would be cheaper rentals outside the bubble, unless the owner is the subcontractor.

Given the politics of the developer, he would never (under ANY circumstances) allow illegals from a contractor or subcontractor to work here...would he? ;)



How would one get pictures of the beds, or why? Peeping Tom.

I know...right? :oops:

[photo1902]

:BigApplause:.....:BigApplause:.....:BigApplause:

:beer3:

[ColdNoMore]

I have rented in The Villages several times since 2011. All of my rentals have been short term (one to two weeks). I would love to be able to rent in TV for three to six months, but I am still working, and their aren't too many employers who will give an employee 3 months vacation to check out TV. I have a feeling that there are probably quite a few potential buyers who are younger (55 to 60) who are in the same boat as I am and can only rent for a month or less.

This short term renter has always been well behaved -- no accidents, arrests, traffic tickets, wild parties, damage to the home or golf cart. I have always received 100% of my security deposit back when the rentals have ended.

If rentals were limited to a minimum of 3 or 6 months, would there be a lot of potential buyers who would miss out on the The Villages experience? I know some have posted that they have purchased a home during their first visit or first rental or during a lifestyle preview visit, but I am betting many people don't buy until after their second or third rental just to be sure ownership in TV is the right decision.

It is up to landlords to check out the backgrounds of their potential tenants before the lease is signed. If any landlord wanted to check me out, I would be happy to provide references. And if I were a landlord, I would be checking on the backgrounds and references of potential tenants before the lease would be signed.

Exactly!

Many (including myself) are/were in the same boat and didn't/don't have the time to spend months here at one stretch, when first looking.

[rcook715]

Thanks Gracie Girl

I think you hit the nail on the head with "I bet I won't hear back"

The lack of specificity as to what villas is the giveaway unless we should all look for growing oil spots in driveways.

[graciegirl]

Ridiculous! Do you want signed statements submitted? How about we get the Orlando TV stations involved. Maybe also the state and national newspapers. You want pictures?

There are three posters on this thread that have reported this situation. It is real. If you don't believe us that is your problem. The OP said call the Villages rec department and see if a Pinellas pool monitor asked a group of young men to leave. They probably won't disclose this info to you, but you could try. You want real proof? Get it yourself. I have never seen so many obnoxious, nervy people on one thread.

Anyone can rent to anyone for any length of time they want to here in The Villages. We have never rented to anyone, and I suppose if rules were passed there might be some criticism of the developer being the ONLY ones able to rent to prospective buyers and thus be greedy.

There have been rumors and speculation that the home was sold to a contractor in some kind of good deal. There is someone who speculates that the workers could be illegally here. (That is a subject all in itself) Posts say that workers are dripping oil on the pavement from their trucks, and swimming in the pool. (which would be o.k. if they had a valid visitor pass) There have been posts that say that there are a large number of people living in a home, some posts say they arrive for the night. Happydaz says that some home owners have trouble getting out of their own driveway. (parking in the street has been discussed and discussed and remains another unsolved problem) The workers have been described as "gangs of workers". It has been proposed that people who live in bigger homes don't care about the troubles of patio villa neighborhoods. Someone said that I attacked her on this forum about three years ago and what my only two posts to her were, was to tell her to call warranty before she had her granite repaired. She said she was a neighbor and she lives in the Marianna Villas.

I am guessing this mess is in the Marianna Villas? It sounds awful. I can picture it in my mind. Living next door to a home that has many many more people living it it than it can easily hold, their vehicles clogging the streets, the parties and noise bothering people and there are no rules to make this right.

Define the problem.
Gather facts on the problem.
Come to a trial conclusion.

Is there anything anyone can do about this? If so WHAT? Other than feel bad for the folks who live nearby.

Who exactly are you mad at, Happydaz? What do you propose to make this better?

[graciegirl]

I have no direct knowledge of some of the rental problems being described in the previous posts, however below is a direct quote from the VCDD website:

Residential Use Restrictions: Property must be devoted only to single-family residential use. Properties within the Subdivision are intended for residential use and no commercial, professional or similar activity requiring either maintaining an inventory, equipment or customer/client visits may be conducted in a Home or on a Homesite.

Please those of you that know of these situations, CALL community standards 352-751-3912 and explain the situation. If you CALL your complaint is anonymous.
Hope this helps.

Hallelujah. As always, a clear understanding and a good start in solving the problem.

[kstew43]

Ridiculous! Do you want signed statements submitted? How about we get the Orlando TV stations involved. Maybe also the state and national newspapers. You want pictures?

There are three posters on this thread that have reported this situation. It is real. If you don't believe us that is your problem. The OP said call the Villages rec department and see if a Pinellas pool monitor asked a group of young men to leave. They probably won't disclose this info to you, but you could try. You want real proof? Get it yourself. I have never seen so many obnoxious, nervy people on one thread.

:agree:

[kstew43]

Hallelujah. As always, a clear understanding and a good start in solving the problem.

I think you might of missed the facts......they did say that this issue WAS reported to the proper authorities.....with no indications of correcting the problems..

In my opinion, that is why they took there hardships to the forum.

[ColdNoMore]

I think you might of missed the facts......they did say that this issue WAS reported to the proper authorities.....with no indications of correcting the problems..

In my opinion, that is why they took there hardships to the forum.

That's the way I read it also.

[justjim]

Rentals are a big business in The Villages. I talked not long ago to a man and wife who said they owned 26 rented properties in The Villages. They are not the only ones that make a business of owing and renting out homes in TV. A number however, I believe are folks who have not retired yet that rent out their home until they retire. I personally know some in the new area of TV who do just that. There are few, if any, issues or problems with these rentals.

What has been pointed out in this Thread is a problem to owners in their neighborhood, and they are looking for answers to a particular set of problems in their neighborhood of Courtyard Villas. That is not to say that this is a widespread problem across all Villas in TV. It's sort of like the abandoned house issue in TV that occasionally occurs. Tough on neighborhoods and a difficult frustrating problem that can take months and sometime years to solve.

It's real when it's in your backyard but not so real when it's somebody's else's issue and problem. In TV, we don't have a mayor or city council to take our issue to---we have TOTV, the other no name paper, VHA, POA, the district CDD, The Daily Sun, Perhaps The Developer and maybe others that I left out thinking off the top of my head.

Well, by now you see the point. Who has any authority to solve this problem outlined in this Thread? That is the person or persons to approach for a solution. Otherwise, overtime it will likely solve itself but that may take lots of patience.

I have said this before. "The Villages is not perfect but it's way ahead of what ever retirement community is in second place." Enough said. Jim

[Bogie Shooter]

If they are getting picked up at dropped off, they are probably illegals. I would think there would be cheaper rentals outside the bubble, unless the owner is the subcontractor.

How would one get pictures of the beds, or why? Peeping Tom.

In another words.........you don't know!

[Bogie Shooter]

I think you might of missed the facts......they did say that this issue WAS reported to the proper authorities.....with no indications of correcting the problems..

In my opinion, that is why they took there hardships to the forum.

And we know all problems are solved here!:wave:

[Bogie Shooter]

Rentals are a big business in The Villages. I talked not long ago to a man and wife who said they owned 26 rented properties in The Villages. They are not the only ones that make a business of owing and renting out homes in TV. A number however, I believe are folks who have not retired yet that rent out their home until they retire. I personally know some in the new area of TV who do just that. There are few, if any, issues or problems with these rentals.

What has been pointed out in this Thread is a problem to owners in their neighborhood, and they are looking for answers to a particular set of problems in their neighborhood of Courtyard Villas. That is not to say that this is a widespread problem across all Villas in TV. It's sort of like the abandoned house issue in TV that occasionally occurs. Tough on neighborhoods and a difficult frustrating problem that can take months and sometime years to solve.

It's real when it's in your backyard but not so real when it's somebody's else's issue and problem. In TV, we don't have a mayor or city council to take our issue to---we have TOTV, the other no name paper, VHA, POA, the district CDD, The Daily Sun, Perhaps The Developer and maybe others that I left out thinking off the top of my head.

Well, by now you see the point. Who has any authority to solve this problem outlined in this Thread? That is the person or persons to approach for a solution. Otherwise, overtime it will likely solve itself but that may take lots of patience.

I have said this before. "The Villages is not perfect but it's way ahead of what ever retirement community is in second place." Enough said. Jim

Well said!

[rubicon]

Rentals are a big business in The Villages. I talked not long ago to a man and wife who said they owned 26 rented properties in The Villages. They are not the only ones that make a business of owing and renting out homes in TV. A number however, I believe are folks who have not retired yet that rent out their home until they retire. I personally know some in the new area of TV who do just that. There are few, if any, issues or problems with these rentals.

What has been pointed out in this Thread is a problem to owners in their neighborhood, and they are looking for answers to a particular set of problems in their neighborhood of Courtyard Villas. That is not to say that this is a widespread problem across all Villas in TV. It's sort of like the abandoned house issue in TV that occasionally occurs. Tough on neighborhoods and a difficult frustrating problem that can take months and sometime years to solve.

It's real when it's in your backyard but not so real when it's somebody's else's issue and problem. In TV, we don't have a mayor or city council to take our issue to---we have TOTV, the other no name paper, VHA, POA, the district CDD, The Daily Sun, Perhaps The Developer and maybe others that I left out thinking off the top of my head.

Well, by now you see the point. Who has any authority to solve this problem outlined in this Thread? That is the person or persons to approach for a solution. Otherwise, overtime it will likely solve itself but that may take lots of patience.

I have said this before. "The Villages is not perfect but it's way ahead of what ever retirement community is in second place." Enough said. Jim

JustJim: perhaps you missed my posts. However i have repeated at least six times on these pages for the past two years that I presented the rental policy issue to the District and was told they have NO LEGAL OR ADMINISTRATIVE power to do anything. Again I asked the rhetorical question well then who does and was met by silence.

Posters are jumping all over the board on this issue when the simply fact is that this no hold bars rental policy may have serious consequences to this community as it has for other Florida community..Cooler heads prevail and I invite others to do what I did and voice their concerns/questions to the District, VHOA POA
A win win solution can be achieved but picking on people who have witnessed concerns because of rental properties here is simply not productive. I opine others can decide.

Personal Best Regards:

[wendyquat]

I would not know where to look for it but it makes sense to me that there may be restrictions on number of occupants of a home. We have rented many vacation homes over the years and most do have a maximum occupancy which I think may be a code issue! Not sure where it originates but seems plausible.

[rubicon]

I would not know where to look for it but it makes sense to me that there may be restrictions on number of occupants of a home. We have rented many vacation homes over the years and most do have a maximum occupancy which I think may be a code issue! Not sure where it originates but seems plausible.

wendquat: I pray you are correct....but then I ask who is overseeing /enforcing any rules if they do exist. With that there will be those who will spew out "my rights" and I do concur. However, with rights come responsibilities and if responsible people are not responsible then come consequences and consequences usually fall on innocent people. I do not want to rain on anyone's parade but I don't want to get wet either. One poster spoke of a person that owned multiple rental units that could be a real concern?

[outlaw]

Ridiculous! Do you want signed statements submitted? How about we get the Orlando TV stations involved. Maybe also the state and national newspapers. You want pictures?

There are three posters on this thread that have reported this situation. It is real. If you don't believe us that is your problem. The OP said call the Villages rec department and see if a Pinellas pool monitor asked a group of young men to leave. They probably won't disclose this info to you, but you could try. You want real proof? Get it yourself. I have never seen so many obnoxious, nervy people on one thread.

I like that idea. That might excite the powers that be to at least address the issue of "bunk houses". There is a person who I believe works for the Orlando Sentinel who periodically writes articles on TV. She might be a good start.

[outlaw]

Regarding the "bunk houses", I think there may be restrictions regarding the number of adults/families living in a single house. It may be a deed restriction or a county restriction.

[Happydaz]

I spoke with a Villages employee yesterday about this situation. This was the same employee who had asked a group of us about this situation a few weeks ago and asked us if we knew anything. He said that there were two rentals involved. So 8 or 7 men in each unit comes up to the number 15 that a previous poster mentioned, He also said the situation hasn't been resolved as far as he was concerned so maybe some action will be taken, but as already been stated by others, without rules owners are free to rent to whomever they please. Still could you imagine what would happen if two premier homes were rented out like this? Do you think some kind of action would be taken or proposed? Maybe we do need some new rules on rental units in The Villages.

[manaboutown]

Regarding the "bunk houses", I think there may be restrictions regarding the number of adults/families living in a single house. It may be a deed restriction or a county restriction.

There must be some sort of countywide number of occupants restriction based on the number or rooms and/or square footage of a dwelling.

Municode Library (https://www.municode.com/library/fl/sumter_county/codes/code_of_ordinances?nodeId=COCO_CH13LADECO_ARTIVZO_ DIV3ZODI_S13-422REZODI#)!

[Kahuna32162]

Have anybody looked at Air BnB lately? Ther are over 300 rentals, both whole home and private rooms available for as little as $53 a nite. That's less than it costs at most no tell Motels up on 441 near Ocala. When the rules and bylaws for the villages were formulated, there wasn't anything like Air BnB. Maybe it's time for the powers that be to re think the possibility of amending some of those rules.

[Cedwards38]

I don't get it.
Isn't this a public discussion forum, open to anyone and everyone? If someone posts here, don't we all have a right to disagree with an opinion, or even question the truth and validity of the post? If your skin is too thin to deal with someone who disagrees, or calls into question the truth of the posted information, then a public internet forum is probably not for you.
Disagreement is not attack. It's a stage of discussion.

[Happydaz]

I get it. This is a public discussion open to anyone. If someone posts here, don't we have a right to disagree with them without questioning their honesty and veracity? If you constantly need to challenge people's honesty maybe a public internet forum like this is not for you. Disagreement is not a personal attack, but questioning a poster and calling them dishonest and untruthful is.

[Cedwards38]

I get it. This is a public discussion open to anyone. If someone posts here, don't we have a right to disagree with them without questioning their honesty and veracity? If you constantly need to challenge people's honesty maybe a public internet forum like this is not for you. Disagreement is not a personal attack, but questioning a poster and calling them dishonest and untruthful is.

Actually I do get it. My "I don't get it" statement was pure sarcasm.
You're right in that disagreement with opinion should not be a personal attack against the presenter of that opinion, but it seems in America today that is very difficult for some people to do. Too many feel they have to hate those who disagree with them. It's reflected most directly in our politics and religions. It's not a new phenomenon, and I suspect there is little we can do about it other than ignore those who insist on being that way.

[graciegirl]

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[ColdNoMore]

I get it. This is a public discussion open to anyone. If someone posts here, don't we have a right to disagree with them without questioning their honesty and veracity? If you constantly need to challenge people's honesty maybe a public internet forum like this is not for you.

Disagreement is not a personal attack, but questioning a poster and calling them dishonest and untruthful is.

:agree:

While an excellent post that some people should take to heart, you'll never stop those who have anointed themselves as thinking they are so much smarter/better than others.

I do appreciate your honest post, but methinks you will pay for it in the long run.

Not, that if you're like me...really cares though. :D

[Happydaz]

:agree:

While an excellent post that some people should take to heart, you'll never stop those who have anointed themselves as thinking they are so much smarter/better than others.

I do appreciate your honest post, but methinks you will pay for it in the long run.

Not, that if you're like me...really cares though. :D

I don't believe the most frequent, and loud talker should always dominate the room. We are all entitled to our own opinion. You are right that people will attack you personally if they start to lose an argument or debate, but that doesn't bother me as it usually means you have frustrated the other person and they are reduced to calling you names. I do feel, though, for less assertive persons who get intimidated and fearful when a deluge of invective comes their way after they post something.

[Bogie Shooter]

I spoke with a Villages employee yesterday about this situation. This was the same employee who had asked a group of us about this situation a few weeks ago and asked us if we knew anything. He said that there were two rentals involved. So 8 or 7 men in each unit comes up to the number 15 that a previous poster mentioned, He also said the situation hasn't been resolved as far as he was concerned so maybe some action will be taken, but as already been stated by others, without rules owners are free to rent to whomever they please. Still could you imagine what would happen if two premier homes were rented out like this? Do you think some kind of action would be taken or proposed? Maybe we do need some new rules on rental units in The Villages.

What does the model home have to do with it??

BTW what is the role of this "Villages employee"?

[RickeyD]

Captain Bligh and his men are beginning to realize they have been set adrift and there will be no turning back to their beloved Bounty.

[ColdNoMore]

What does the model home have to do with it??

I presume you meant, "the model of the home?"

I think their point was that, just like in most things in life, those with more money (re: influence)...typically get better results/more action from officials. :shrug:



BTW what is the role of this "Villages employee"?

Why do you care?

Why can't you just take their word for it?

[Happydaz]

i won't name the employee or his position as I don't feel that I should do that, but he is a bona fide Villages' employee and has been aware of this situation from the beginning. Second point is an opinion, but as has already been said, wealthier people have access to better lawyers and have more money and resources available to them to look into this situation, rather than one regular guy living in the Villas. You may disagree with this and that is fine with me.

[RickeyD]

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[rubicon]

Here we go again. Why must some people on this forum make it about themselves and their opinion. The issue is that there are signs and symptoms that the rental policy may be having an adverse affect on this community. As one poster pointed out one person owns some 26 rental properties...that's a concern

Isn't it enough to write, call, visit whomever you believe can address this issue rathr than barking at one another? I did and the District said they did not have the Administrative or Legal authority.

Again my suggestion is to inundate those with leadership positions to address this issue to ensure it doesn't turn into a financial albatross; albeit I'll make book that members of the POA, VHA and District have had a peek at this thread. I intend to e-mail the POA . Other Florida communities have fashioned policy that has dealt with this issue.

[Happydaz]

Here we go again. Why must some people on this forum make it about themselves and their opinion. The issue is that there are signs and symptoms that the rental policy may be having an adverse affect on this community. As one poster pointed out one person owns some 26 rental properties...that's a concern

Isn't it enough to write, call, visit whomever you believe can address this issue rathr than barking at one another? I did and the District said they did not have the Administrative or Legal authority.

Again my suggestion is to inundate those with leadership positions to address this issue to ensure it doesn't turn into a financial albatross; albeit I'll make book that members of the POA, VHA and District have had a peek at this thread. I intend to e-mail the POA . Other Florida communities have fashioned policy that has dealt with this issue.

Your recommendations look to be the most effective in correcting this situation. The Villages is aware that there two villas housing a total of 18 young men. As Rubicon mentions the key to any policy changes is to let key people know about this and then change may be possible. Rubicon thank you for your reasoned approach.

[Bogie Shooter]

I presume you meant, "the model of the home?"

Good presumption...............

I think their point was that, just like in most things in life, those with more money (re: influence)...typically get better results/more action from officials. :shrug:

Thanks for answering for them, maybe their point was different than yours. Maybe?



Why do you care? Just wondering, isn't that allowed?

Why can't you just take their word for it?
I thought this was a forum for exchanging thoughts, no?

[kstew43]

I get it. This is a public discussion open to anyone. If someone posts here, don't we have a right to disagree with them without questioning their honesty and veracity? If you constantly need to challenge people's honesty maybe a public internet forum like this is not for you. Disagreement is not a personal attack, but questioning a poster and calling them dishonest and untruthful is.

:agree: