What Happens in the Village when you are 88 years old in a wheelchair

[MarcelDuhamp]

If you have lived for over 20 years in the Villages are using a walker or wheel chair been in the hospital 4 times and had 3 operations 2 broken hips and moved into assisted living in the Villages and show up at a recreation center to visit with your long time friends or possibly try to go to club that you have been going to for 15 years in a wheelchair or walker. If you can get wheelchair transport. Well what happens is you are barred from entry to the Recreation center. A person like this can not play golf, swim, play pickle ball, Bocce or just about any thing else. They would consume just about zero of the Villages recreation resources. They would occupy a chair in a room. That is DISGUSTING. How much money does the Villages have to make. You should remember that ever one who lives here is headed for the same situation. In most case this situation will not go on for long because many of these people will not live very long.
So if letting old people in wheelchairs and walkers be in a room in a recreation center with there friends is going to bankrupt the Villages then this is a very different Villages then I know. These people built the Villages and they are the ones who paid for this place.
So when you live in the villages and there is no more money to made from you and they are done with you, you are Expendable. I think that this situation surely earns the Villages the designation as (AS THE FREINDLIST HOME TOWN IN AMERICAN) as long as you are not very old and sick.

[RickeyD]

If you have lived for over 20 years in the Villages are using a walker or wheel chair been in the hospital 4 times and had 3 operations 2 broken hips and moved into assisted living in the Villages and show up at a recreation center to visit with your long time friends or possibly try to go to club that you have been going to for 15 years in a wheelchair or walker. If you can get wheelchair transport. Well what happens is you are barred from entry to the Recreation center. A person like this can not play golf, swim, play pickle ball, Bocce or just about any thing else. They would consume just about zero of the Villages recreation resources. They would occupy a chair in a room. That is DISGUSTING. How much money does the Villages have to make. You should remember that ever one who lives here is headed for the same situation. In most case this situation will not go on for long because many of these people will not live very long.

So if letting old people in wheelchairs and walkers be in a room in a recreation center with there friends is going to bankrupt the Villages then this is a very different Villages then I know. These people built the Villages and they are the ones who paid for this place.

So when you live in the villages and there is no more money to made from you and they are done with you, you are Expendable. I think that this situation surely earns the Villages the designation as (AS THE FREINDLIST HOME TOWN IN AMERICAN) as long as you are not very old and sick.



I'm assuming you no longer have a Villages ID ? One of your friends can get you a guest ID.

[Bonny]

If you have lived for over 20 years in the Villages are using a walker or wheel chair been in the hospital 4 times and had 3 operations 2 broken hips and moved into assisted living in the Villages and show up at a recreation center to visit with your long time friends or possibly try to go to club that you have been going to for 15 years in a wheelchair or walker. If you can get wheelchair transport. Well what happens is you are barred from entry to the Recreation center. A person like this can not play golf, swim, play pickle ball, Bocce or just about any thing else. They would consume just about zero of the Villages recreation resources. They would occupy a chair in a room. That is DISGUSTING. How much money does the Villages have to make. You should remember that ever one who lives here is headed for the same situation. In most case this situation will not go on for long because many of these people will not live very long.
So if letting old people in wheelchairs and walkers be in a room in a recreation center with there friends is going to bankrupt the Villages then this is a very different Villages then I know. These people built the Villages and they are the ones who paid for this place.
So when you live in the villages and there is no more money to made from you and they are done with you, you are Expendable. I think that this situation surely earns the Villages the designation as (AS THE FREINDLIST HOME TOWN IN AMERICAN) as long as you are not very old and sick.
It's sad, however, if someone is in an assisted living facility, they are no longer a Village resident.

[kstew43]

It's sad, however, if someone is in an assisted living facility, they are no longer a Village resident.

and thats the saddest of all.......such a darn shame.....

rules need to be changed......

[CWGUY]

and thats the saddest of all.......such a darn shame.....

rules need to be changed......

NO THEY DON"T. :confused:

[Jimmydoodlebug]

If you have lived for over 20 years in the Villages are using a walker or wheel chair been in the hospital 4 times and had 3 operations 2 broken hips and moved into assisted living in the Villages and show up at a recreation center to visit with your long time friends or possibly try to go to club that you have been going to for 15 years in a wheelchair or walker. If you can get wheelchair transport. Well what happens is you are barred from entry to the Recreation center. A person like this can not play golf, swim, play pickle ball, Bocce or just about any thing else. They would consume just about zero of the Villages recreation resources. They would occupy a chair in a room. That is DISGUSTING. How much money does the Villages have to make. You should remember that ever one who lives here is headed for the same situation. In most case this situation will not go on for long because many of these people will not live very long.
So if letting old people in wheelchairs and walkers be in a room in a recreation center with there friends is going to bankrupt the Villages then this is a very different Villages then I know. These people built the Villages and they are the ones who paid for this place.
So when you live in the villages and there is no more money to made from you and they are done with you, you are Expendable. I think that this situation surely earns the Villages the designation as (AS THE FREINDLIST HOME TOWN IN AMERICAN) as long as you are not very old and sick.

If I've read it correctly, this post is actually profound.

How does the community treat its elders when they've become unable to live the lifestyle that's advertised and brought them to this community in the first place.

When advancing years force people out of their homes what should we do? The OP stated that he still lives within the boundary of The Villages but his situation implies that he doesn't own property here anymore.

It would be a nice gesture if there was a way to recognize his problem and give him vested status in the recreation areas that he paid for for so long, but the practicality is that in time there would be abuses. How long would you need to live here to qualify is one question, because I can imagine people moving here just to make the minimum deadline and then use the recreation centers for the rest of their lives.

One possibility is to simply charge the full amenity fee for those who live in any long term care facility that is within The Villages boundary if the facility manager can certify that the person is expected to live there permanently.

The OP is right, we're all headed in the same direction.

[kstew43]

If I've read it correctly, this post is actually profound.

How does the community treat its elders when they've become unable to live the lifestyle that's advertised and brought them to this community in the first place.

When advancing years force people out of their homes what should we do? The OP stated that he still lives within the boundary of The Villages but his situation implies that he doesn't own property here anymore.

It would be a nice gesture if there was a way to recognize his problem and give him vested status in the recreation areas that he paid for for so long, but the practicality is that in time there would be abuses. How long would you need to live here to qualify is one question, because I can imagine people moving here just to make the minimum deadline and then use the recreation centers for the rest of their lives.

One possibility is to simply charge the full amenity fee for those who live in any long term care facility that is within The Villages boundary if the facility manager can certify that the person is expected to live there permanently.

The OP is right, we're all headed in the same direction.

:BigApplause::BigApplause::BigApplause::BigApplaus e:

at that stage of your life, and spending many years as a resident of TV, you should get some sort of privilege besides having to depend on old friends to allow your entrance.

[pickleballfan]

Would your friends be able to sign you in? You live within the 3 county area? Sad situation.:(

[CWGUY]

:confused: Come on folks. This does not need to be a 75 reply post. Think with your head not your heart.

Next week I will be near my old Townhouse up on the Finger Lakes. I can't go there and use the Rec. Center. I see nothing wrong with that. I would love to see the posts when a resident is turned away from a Rec. Center here and told.....Sorry, it's all filled up with people who used to live here.

Rules are rules.... people need to follow them and stop trying to get around them.

I am willing to bet there is a better solution to this than going online to complain. This will accomplish NOTHING. :sad:

[vorage]

This is an eye opening post. My sympathies certainly lie with the poster. Some very good points have been made. This will likely impact a great many of us as we age.

There is at least one facility (Freedom Point- maybe others) whose occupants do have Villages ID. But I believe they purchase their unit and thus own property.

Keep in mind that there are strict HOA covenants about who and how people are allowed to use the facilities. These covenants are not changed willy nilly. The developer can't change them, nor can anyone at the Rec centers.

If you feel strongly, however, start the ball rolling with your representative and ask them to address the situation and make provisions. It will probably take a great deal of discussion to change, not only how to identify these individuals, but protect against the inevitability of those who choose to take advantage of any loophole that comes along.

Thank you for bringing this up. I hope the answer is more simple than I think.

[jane032657]

Assisted Living communities that are in the boundaries of the Villages pay fees to The Villages so a certain number of residents can use amenities as I understand. They apply to The Villages for these privileges and the cost I am sure is absorbed in the monthly fee that residents who live in the assisted living pay. Very few Assisted Living residents use amenities but I would expect the more independent ones do. The fees are covered by the community itself. Also all Assisted Living communities have buses with lifts that take residents places within a certain distance, if booked in advance.

[rjm1cc]

The rules should be changed for residences that have to located to an assisted living facility. If they are in the area they should be able to get guest pass.

[pooh]

Some facilities offer Village amenities, some do not. As sad as it is, when people move and no longer own Villages property, they also relinquish their recreation benefits. They have moved.....whether 3 miles or 100 miles, they no longer are residents of the The Villages. If former residents were living in Leesburg or Summerfield, others might take exception to someone using the facilities when they no longer live and own property in TV. It is sad, but it is reality. Maybe someone here would be willing to take the individual to a rec center as a guest??

[njbchbum]

Some facilities offer Village amenities, some do not. As sad as it is, when people move and no longer own Villages property, they also relinquish their recreation benefits. They have moved.....whether 3 miles or 100 miles, they no longer are residents of the The Villages. If former residents were living in Leesburg or Summerfield, others might take exception to someone using the facilities when they no longer live and own property in TV. It is sad, but it is reality. Maybe someone here would be willing to take the individual to a rec center as a guest??

Pleasant thought, Pooh...but...The Guest eligibility rules specify:
"Eligibility Requirements:
A resident with a valid Resident ID card can make application for a Guest ID
card. A qualified guest is defined as an individual whose current residence is
outside Lake, Marion and Sumter counties. A resident who has a son, daughter,
grandchild or great grandchild (and their spouses) who reside in Lake, Marion or
Sumter counties may apply for an In-Area Guest ID card."
http://www.districtgov.org/departments/Recreation/images/Guest%20ID%20Policy.pdf

So the OP would have to live beyond the tri-county area in order to qualify as a guest.
Otherwise the OP must live within the Villages community in a facility that offered the amenities pass of which Jane03267 posted.

[Hank N Judy]

So their is your answer. Have one of your friends get you an in area guest card it is good for one year. That person just has to be with you. Problem solved.

[ColdNoMore]

If I've read it correctly, this post is actually profound.

How does the community treat its elders when they've become unable to live the lifestyle that's advertised and brought them to this community in the first place.

When advancing years force people out of their homes what should we do? The OP stated that he still lives within the boundary of The Villages but his situation implies that he doesn't own property here anymore.

It would be a nice gesture if there was a way to recognize his problem and give him vested status in the recreation areas that he paid for for so long, but the practicality is that in time there would be abuses. How long would you need to live here to qualify is one question, because I can imagine people moving here just to make the minimum deadline and then use the recreation centers for the rest of their lives.

One possibility is to simply charge the full amenity fee for those who live in any long term care facility that is within The Villages boundary if the facility manager can certify that the person is expected to live there permanently.

The OP is right, we're all headed in the same direction.

"Grandfather/Grandmother Rights" for former TV homeowners now required to live in the assisted living facilities that are actually on TV property, would be a simple, generous and decent action....that wouldn't hurt or take away benefits from anyone else.

[njbchbum]

So their is your answer. Have one of your friends get you an in area guest card it is good for one year. That person just has to be with you. Problem solved.

If I read the requirements as written, I can't figure out how a person of 88 years [the OP] could possibly be "son, daughter, grandchild or great grandchild" of a resident.

I think this is a similar prob oft presented here from the singles who have the same Guest ID issue when trying to enjoy sharing a Villages ID required activity/event with a friend from outside of TV and within the tri-county area.

[CWGUY]

So their is your answer. Have one of your friends get you an in area guest card it is good for one year. That person just has to be with you. Problem solved.

:read: I think you may need to re-read Post #14. :smiley:

[Bogie Shooter]

and thats the saddest of all.......such a darn shame.....

rules need to be changed......
And how would you propose the rules be changed?

[Bogie Shooter]

This is an eye opening post. My sympathies certainly lie with the poster. Some very good points have been made. This will likely impact a great many of us as we age.

There is at least one facility (Freedom Point- maybe others) whose occupants do have Villages ID. But I believe they purchase their unit and thus own property.

Keep in mind that there are strict HOA covenants about who and how people are allowed to use the facilities. These covenants are not changed willy nilly. The developer can't change them, nor can anyone at the Rec centers.

If you feel strongly, however, start the ball rolling with your representative and ask them to address the situation and make provisions. It will probably take a great deal of discussion to change, not only how to identify these individuals, but protect against the inevitability of those who choose to take advantage of any loophole that comes along.

Thank you for bringing this up. I hope the answer is more simple than I think.
There are no how covenants because there is no home owners association. Yes there are deed restrictions.
Who are these representatives you are directing people to contact?

[Marathon Man]

Is visiting old friends in their home not possible? Seems to me to be the easiest solution. No rule changes needed.

[billethkid]

As presented it does sound sad.

In actuality, life is cruel, and this is an isolated incident.

There are hundreds of isolated incidents of varying kinds that could all be solved with a rule change or waiver.

And then there would be what? A few isolated folks who "may" be happy. But a whole bunch of unhappy residents who have to follow the rules.

There is no way to please everybody. Once the they are no longer a resident but starts, there will be problems.

[Mikeod]

About a year ago, I was asked to bring a recommendation to the AAC to allow active duty service members to play the executive courses as a guest of a resident at no charge. The group I represented thought it would be easily controlled by using the active duty ID card to identify eligible people. To my surprise, it was opposed by Recreation. The primary reason was not opposition to supporting service members, but opening the door to an exception. If they made an exception for that group, there are certainly other worthy groups who could use that as an example to request similar privileges.

While it seems a reasonable exception to allow former residents access to facilities, where does it stop?

[dotti105]

My mom just moved into Buffalo Crossing ALF off of 466 behind Fresh Market. She moved here from Clearwater Beach. Because this facility is located in The Villages, the residents can get Villages ID cards.
Some of the residents she has met moved into Buffalo Crossings from their homes in TV. They have sold their homes, but still have their IDs because they remain "residents" while in the ALF.

I'm not sure about the ALFs outside TV. I would doubt that they have the same rights.

[rubicon]

When in HR we had a policy that only business related material could be placed on bulletin board. the rationale was that if you allowed free access to the board for one group then any group has a legal right....I know I know we are talking about people and not boards but it illustrates the nature of people and good intentions end up paving bad roads It is life. You start messing with the rules and you will open a Pandora's box

[billethkid]

When in HR we had a policy that only business related material could be placed on bulletin board. the rationale was that if you allowed free access to the board for one group then any group has a legal right....I know I know we are talking about people and not boards but it illustrates the nature of people and good intentions end up paving bad roads It is life. You start messing with the rules and you will open a Pandora's box

In a sucinct manner of speaking!!!

[2BNTV]

About a year ago, I was asked to bring a recommendation to the AAC to allow active duty service members to play the executive courses as a guest of a resident at no charge. The group I represented thought it would be easily controlled by using the active duty ID card to identify eligible people. To my surprise, it was opposed by Recreation. The primary reason was not opposition to supporting service members, but opening the door to an exception. If they made an exception for that group, there are certainly other worthy groups who could use that as an example to request similar privileges.

While it seems a reasonable exception to allow former residents access to facilities, where does it stop?

Just like the rule that allows married people to get two villages I.D's and single people only one, without allowing an extra I.D., if a single person wants to bring a guest outside of TV, to an event within TV.

As previous posters will say, dems the rules", no exceptions. I don't know what channels one would need to go through to make a reasonable request, without breaking TV system.

Please enlighten me. :smiley:

For now, resigned to the fact that some things will never change.

[crabbyannie1]

Did I miss something? I thought that several of the assisted living facilities on Villages property did allow its residents use of TV facilities, inasmuch as they have golf car use, too. The impression when these facilities were being built is that they are owned by TV but built and operated by other companies. Being within TV proper, early adverts encouraged homeowners looking to move to assisted living facilities that this would allow them to stay in TV and make use of the amenities. Is this not true at all? Now I'm curious as I'm not getting any younger myself, and my hubby and I think this may be a viable alternative, as there are no condos or apartments within TV proper.

[jamblu]

This is truly incredible. What about the facility you're in? Are there cards/movies or any entertainment for you and your friends to do? Maybe it would be easier to get your facility to do more for the residents and I'm sure you're friends can visit you? I am saddened by the post. I would hope the Villages could create a center for exactly these elders to just enjoy company when they need it most. I'll now think twice about entering an assisted living facility here.

[rubicon]

Yest we forget the controversy involving Stone Crest which in my mind is still unresolved.

This is not an issue about I got mine and you ain't going to get yours or about exclusivity if you will. Its about a planned community with rules. Rules which state that for a resident holding a home deed and paying a monthly fee grants them amenities per household.

suppose you own a pool. You set rules conditions etc so that family and friends can share the joy of your pool. However, suddenly neighbors, then workmen begin showing up but you do nothing and then before long there are more people ....................

A common refrain you hear is I'm paying for it and I am going to get my share and what they mean is more than that . OK fair enough just don't do it by breaking the rules or fudging

Or in Stone Crest's situation, but the marketing people told me I could buy here and still have the village lifestyle

and then we have all that discussion from another thread about the rental policy here

I like rules I bought here with the understanding that rules would be enforced In fact I would have hesitated to move to Florida except for the written rules of TV

The only amenity I use is golf and I do that sparingly. Same with my wife;albeit she goes to one exercise class at the rec center

That Greek saying "moderation in all things" well we have people out there that will tell you they like a lot of moderation and the freer the better

I do not write without compassion and understand the virtue of reasonable accommodations.. but I am a pragmatist and understand that one day I too will have my license pulled, etc and will have to adapt to my situation..that's the human experience

[ColdNoMore]

This is truly incredible. What about the facility you're in? Are there cards/movies or any entertainment for you and your friends to do? Maybe it would be easier to get your facility to do more for the residents and I'm sure you're friends can visit you? I am saddened by the post. I would hope the Villages could create a center for exactly these elders to just enjoy company when they need it most. I'll now think twice about entering an assisted living facility here.
Excellent post! :thumbup:

I think the crux of the developer's rules can be summed up easily, by a posters statement above... "life is cruel."

It's just sad that all too many seem to have that same attitude.

And you are absolutely correct, why shouldn't a former TV homeowner who still lives on the property (albeit in an assisted living environment)...be afforded Grandfather/Grandmother rights to the facilities?

Exactly what/who would that hurt? :confused:

The only thing that explains it, is the belief that.... "I got mine, screw you." :(

[graciegirl]

Excellent post! :thumbup:

I think the crux of the developer's rules can be summed up easily, by a posters statement above... "life is cruel."

It's just sad that all too many seem to have that same attitude.

And you are absolutely correct, why shouldn't a former TV homeowner who still lives on the property (albeit in an assisted living environment)...be afforded Grandfather/Grandmother rights to the facilities?

Exactly what/who would that hurt? :confused:

The only thing that explains it, is the belief that.... "I got mine, screw you." :(

I don't think a lot of people have the attitude, "I got mine, screw you". I think a lot of people who live here are very realistic about aging and are kind and thoughtful, visiting people who are alone in assisted living as well as volunteering in schools and in food kitchens. A LOT of people. I can name dozens of names of frequent posters on this forum who quietly and without fan fare do the "works of mercy" we were taught to do as children.

I don't think it would hurt to have passes for people who still live close but not on campus who are older and once lived here, or wait, should we do that for all folks who are older who live closeby, how old should they be, should they be in a wheel chair or ambulatory, when is old, old enough, when is old too old. This is gonna get kinda challenging to do this good thing. Then there will be people complaining about having to be around the truly elderly. There are a few who live here who really do not enjoy folks who are older than boomers. Wow. Sometimes you cannot make rules to do good things, sometimes you just have to quietly do good things without rules or anybody noticing.

I am not saying you are wrong Cold, and I feel bad for the OP.

I am a realistic person and a little too proud for my own good as are many who post on here.

[Sandtrap328]

I don't think a lot of people have the attitude, "I got mine, screw you". I think a lot of people who live here are very realistic about aging and are kind and thoughtful, visiting people who are alone in assisted living as well as volunteering in schools and in food kitchens. A LOT of people. I can name dozens of names of frequent posters on this forum who quietly and without fan fare do the "works of mercy" we were taught to do as children.

I don't think it would hurt to have passes for people who still live close but not on campus who are older and once lived here, or wait, should we do that for all folks who are older who live closeby, how old should they be, should they be in a wheel chair or ambulatory, when is old, old enough, when is old too old. This is gonna get kinda challenging to do this good thing. Then there will be people complaining about having to be around the truly elderly. There are a few who live here who really do not enjoy folks who are older than boomers. Wow. Sometimes you cannot make rules to do good things, sometimes you just have to quietly do good things without rules or anybody noticing.

I am not saying you are wrong Cold, and I feel bad for the OP.

I am a realistic person and a little too proud for my own good as are many who post on here.

As usual, a very sensible posting.

I believe that the OP should have checked around at assisted living facilities to see which ones included Villages amenities before signing up if that was an important aspect of her life.

[Villageswimmer]

As usual, a very sensible posting.

I believe that the OP should have checked around at assisted living facilities to see which ones included Villages amenities before signing up if that was an important aspect of her life.


...or, is it possible that hers does offer the option (since it is on TV property) and she is simply unaware?

[Bogie Shooter]

...or, is it possible that hers does offer the option (since it is on TV property) and she is simply unaware?

It's always nice to hear "the rest of the story"which hasn't been provided on this thread.

[asianthree]

The amenities that were offered to us for a parent were on site indoor swimming pool with classes. Also meals, one story rooms, with housekeeping, and transportation. Their classes, such as drawing, painting and others, although not the amount that we have in the villages are pretty plentiful and the residents have lots of things to do.
But their amenities does not include a resident pass to use at the facilities of the villages. Same for TV residents that we could not go to their assisted living in the villages and use their indoor pool.:(

As far as just going into a rec center, I have only been stopped once for id. Our oldest has gone into many centers just to look at how much time, effort and thought has been spent on each center, with no issues of having a visitor pass.

[goodtimesintv]

It seems to me that since all of us could face the same situation as the o.p. one day, we could ask as a group that an "Emeritus Resident" ID with privileges limited to one particular rec center (of the person's choice), could be instituted.

Maybe we could set up a simple poll to that effect, with vote for either "Yes" or "No", on here.

[Bogie Shooter]

Just how big is this "problem" that is trying to be solved?

[Villageswimmer]

This is truly incredible...
...I would hope the Villages could create a center for exactly these elders to just enjoy company when they need it most. I'll now think twice about entering an assisted living facility here.


We're not in Kansas anymore.

As well meaning as this idea is, do you really think TV would take on such a project with negative profit margin? TV is a BUSINESS.

Also, See Dotti post #24.

[rubicon]

The OP's situation only acts as one example of what I believe is the underlying concern as to what happens when you start making exceptions to the rules..who gets to chose? what issues warrant exceptions? and once you open the box how do you close it if need be?

Every person who retired and moved here should have given some thought about the future especially making provisions if illness and/or disability struck. I know it permeated all of my decisions about where I bought the size of my house, money set aside to deal with health care aide, no financial debt, etc and yes facing the fact that someday I no longer would be able to enjoy the villages lifestyle, drive a car/cart. some posters say "life is cruel" In my view I believe life just is and I'm not going to waste my energy fighting it but rather to adapt to my new situation

[pauld315]

My mom just moved into Buffalo Crossing ALF off of 466 behind Fresh Market. She moved here from Clearwater Beach. Because this facility is located in The Villages, the residents can get Villages ID cards.
Some of the residents she has met moved into Buffalo Crossings from their homes in TV. They have sold their homes, but still have their IDs because they remain "residents" while in the ALF.

I'm not sure about the ALFs outside TV. I would doubt that they have the same rights.

The OP stated they were in an ALF in The Villages. Perhaps the OP needs to ask the ALF if they qualify to get a Villages ID card.

[Villageswimmer]

The OP stated they were in an ALF in The Villages. Perhaps the OP needs to ask the ALF if they qualify to get a Villages ID card.


Yes. See post 34.

[ApplePir2]

Assisted Living communities that are in the boundaries of the Villages pay fees to The Villages so a certain number of residents can use amenities as I understand. They apply to The Villages for these privileges and the cost I am sure is absorbed in the monthly fee that residents who live in the assisted living pay. Very few Assisted Living residents use amenities but I would expect the more independent ones do. The fees are covered by the community itself. Also all Assisted Living communities have buses with lifts that take residents places within a certain distance, if booked in advance.
I agree. If a village resident is unable to live independently and moves to an assisted living residence within The Villages, that person should automatically qualify to receive a Villages ID to use the recreational facilities. Don't people who rent homes in TV get ID's? Not everyone can afford to pay over $250,000 (that was the price 2 years ago) for a small apartment in Freedom Pointe.

[Rapscallion St Croix]

I agree. If a village resident is unable to live independently and moves to an assisted living residence within The Villages, that person should automatically qualify to receive a Villages ID to use the recreational facilities. Don't people who rent homes in TV get ID's? Not everyone can afford to pay over $250,000 (that was the price 2 years ago) for a small apartment in Freedom Pointe.

....if they pay the $140+ a month amenities fee.

[JWSHORES]

IF you are living in the Assisted Living in The Villages are you not still considered a resident??

[toeser]

:confused: Come on folks. This does not need to be a 75 reply post. Think with your head not your heart.

Next week I will be near my old Townhouse up on the Finger Lakes. I can't go there and use the Rec. Center. I see nothing wrong with that. I would love to see the posts when a resident is turned away from a Rec. Center here and told.....Sorry, it's all filled up with people who used to live here.

Rules are rules.... people need to follow them and stop trying to get around them.

I am willing to bet there is a better solution to this than going online to complain. This will accomplish NOTHING. :sad:

Totally correct. I have had property in six different locations under a home owners association. NONE of them allow non-property-owners back in to use the facilities, even if you had previously lived there for 30 years.

[OhioBuckeye]

If you have lived for over 20 years in the Villages are using a walker or wheel chair been in the hospital 4 times and had 3 operations 2 broken hips and moved into assisted living in the Villages and show up at a recreation center to visit with your long time friends or possibly try to go to club that you have been going to for 15 years in a wheelchair or walker. If you can get wheelchair transport. Well what happens is you are barred from entry to the Recreation center. A person like this can not play golf, swim, play pickle ball, Bocce or just about any thing else. They would consume just about zero of the Villages recreation resources. They would occupy a chair in a room. That is DISGUSTING. How much money does the Villages have to make. You should remember that ever one who lives here is headed for the same situation. In most case this situation will not go on for long because many of these people will not live very long.
So if letting old people in wheelchairs and walkers be in a room in a recreation center with there friends is going to bankrupt the Villages then this is a very different Villages then I know. These people built the Villages and they are the ones who paid for this place.
So when you live in the villages and there is no more money to made from you and they are done with you, you are Expendable. I think that this situation surely earns the Villages the designation as (AS THE FREINDLIST HOME TOWN IN AMERICAN) as long as you are not very old and sick. I agree! I've had families that live in communities that pay amenities for up keep & recreation & as soon as the community starts getting older the amenities start going up fast, recreation starts getting older quicker & the next thing is they start paying for things they never had to pay for. Just like the other news that's in this article about renting a home. All the Villages is doing TO ME is just slowly making me want to move out of the Villages. Things in The Villages aren't cheap, repairs, eating out in The Villages, buying merchandise. I really thought living here was catering to the residents, it's really not!

[Bonny]

I agree! I've had families that live in communities that pay amenities for up keep & recreation & as soon as the community starts getting older the amenities start going up fast, recreation starts getting older quicker & the next thing is they start paying for things they never had to pay for. Just like the other news that's in this article about renting a home. All the Villages is doing TO ME is just slowly making me want to move out of the Villages. Things in The Villages aren't cheap, repairs, eating out in The Villages, buying merchandise. I really thought living here was catering to the residents, it's really not!
I think it does cater very well to Villagers. I can't imagine where anyone is going to live much cheaper than here. I think we have decent restaurants that are well priced, good happy hours, stores that have a lot of sales, almost everything we could possibly want right here. We don't have to travel far. We can go to almost anything we need without even having to go on a main road. There are so many activities for those who want to stay active.
I thank the Morse family every day for the life style we live here. They have done a wonderful job. :thumbup:

[ColdNoMore]

I keep reading about how... "the rules are the rules" (or words to that effect).

It's almost as if some folks think they were handed down on Mt. Sinai, or at the very least....promulgated by the Founding Fathers and/or are in the Constitution. :oops:

Newsflash, "the rules" can easily be changed (and have been when it suits the rule makers) to allow those former TV homeowners, who still live on TV property and are in TV supplied/approved assisted living residences....to allow reasonable access to the amenities.

IMHO, anyone who is so adamantly opposed to something that would affect the rest of us even less than minimally...are being pretty darned selfish and petty.

Particularly given that a significant % of us will probably be in the same situation...sooner rather than later.

[VApeople]

"I'm old! Gimmie, gimmie, gimmie" Abe Simpson

I'm old gimme gimme gimme - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZI7hJHLyBZo)

[Peddler3500]

That surely does not match the oft-used descriptor of "the friendliest hometown". They need to add some qualifiers such as: money-grubbing; rudest (think of seat saving fiascos at the squares); meanest (think grandfathered bird cage situation, gazing ball in the yard). For me, the jury is still out as to whether this is the place I want to live. There are some nice easy-going people here but a big share of jerks too. The situation with the villages health care is another example of money grubbing attitude. The developer runs this like a fiefdom. Wish I had rented longer before I bought here.

[ColdNoMore]

That surely does not match the oft-used descriptor of "the friendliest hometown". They need to add some qualifiers such as: money-grubbing; rudest (think of seat saving fiascos at the squares); meanest (think grandfathered bird cage situation, gazing ball in the yard). For me, the jury is still out as to whether this is the place I want to live. There are some nice easy-going people here but a big share of jerks too. The situation with the villages health care is another example of money grubbing attitude. The developer runs this like a fiefdom. Wish I had rented longer before I bought here.

In all honesty, TV is simply a microcosm (albeit with a lot higher % of a certain demographic/political bent) than the real world...except for a lot nicer overall landscaping. :D

Some people feel more comfortable letting others decide for them how to run/live their lives...and some folks prefer to think on their own.

While I am much more the latter than the former, I still think overall that TV is better than 99% of the other places I could choose to live.

There is no such thing as Shangri-La, but as a golf nut and one who enjoys a plethora of other activities to choose from...to me, TV comes the closest in a retirement community. :thumbup:

[Gpsma]

That surely does not match the oft-used descriptor of "the friendliest hometown". They need to add some qualifiers such as: money-grubbing; rudest (think of seat saving fiascos at the squares); meanest (think grandfathered bird cage situation, gazing ball in the yard). For me, the jury is still out as to whether this is the place I want to live. There are some nice easy-going people here but a big share of jerks too. The situation with the villages health care is another example of money grubbing attitude. The developer runs this like a fiefdom. Wish I had rented longer before I bought here.

Finally an honest opinion. One not inspired by blind belief that TV is some sort of paradise. I suppose those that think it is are from areas that weren't so good to begin with.

[Bonny]

It always amazes me when people live here and complain about everything. I couldn't imagine living in a place I didn't like. This is a great big world. I would find somewhere else that I liked and move there. Just sayin'.

[graciegirl]

Finally an honest opinion. One not inspired by blind belief that TV is some sort of paradise. I suppose those that think it is are from areas that weren't so good to begin with.

I believe that The Villages is some kind of Paradise. I am from Ohio and it was a wonderful place growing up and raising our kids. I would think that most of us have warm feelings about where we are from and probably think that our area is superior by far to most others.

Where are you from GPSMA? Why don't you buy into this "blind belief" that The Villages is a wonderful place?

[RickeyD]

That surely does not match the oft-used descriptor of "the friendliest hometown". They need to add some qualifiers such as: money-grubbing; rudest (think of seat saving fiascos at the squares); meanest (think grandfathered bird cage situation, gazing ball in the yard). For me, the jury is still out as to whether this is the place I want to live. There are some nice easy-going people here but a big share of jerks too. The situation with the villages health care is another example of money grubbing attitude. The developer runs this like a fiefdom. Wish I had rented longer before I bought here.



No problem, your house is very marketable. Plenty of people wish to live as serfs here.

[RickeyD]

Finally an honest opinion. One not inspired by blind belief that TV is some sort of paradise. I suppose those that think it is are from areas that weren't so good to begin with.



The smell of fresh drywall & cement triggers the paradise pheromone. We're all susceptible to it.

[Bonny]

Finally an honest opinion. One not inspired by blind belief that TV is some sort of paradise. I suppose those that think it is are from areas that weren't so good to begin with.
I'm from Michigan. It's a beautiful state. We lived in a nice area with lots of good friends, good restaurants, great schools and stores galore. We loved it. Just got too cold. Now I love it here. :D We've been here over 16 years.

[RickeyD]

Finally an honest opinion. One not inspired by blind belief that TV is some sort of paradise. I suppose those that think it is are from areas that weren't so good to begin with.



I live on the North Fork of Long Island ( look it up ) many feel this is paradise, just sought a different paradise with palm trees this time around.

North Fork Promotion Council Inc. (http://www.northfork.org)

[Nucky]

The smell of fresh drywall & cement triggers the paradise pheromone. We're all susceptible to it.

A Concrete Mixer makes me feel frisky! LOL. :BigApplause:

[Bogie Shooter]

That surely does not match the oft-used descriptor of "the friendliest hometown". They need to add some qualifiers such as: money-grubbing; rudest (think of seat saving fiascos at the squares); meanest (think grandfathered bird cage situation, gazing ball in the yard). For me, the jury is still out as to whether this is the place I want to live. There are some nice easy-going people here but a big share of jerks too. The situation with the villages health care is another example of money grubbing attitude. The developer runs this like a fiefdom. Wish I had rented longer before I bought here.
After you have found Eden......please share with us. If you feel as you do now, you will not be happy here if you buy.

[Gpsma]

I believe that The Villages is some kind of Paradise. I am from Ohio and it was a wonderful place growing up and raising our kids. I would think that most of us have warm feelings about where we are from and probably think that our area is superior by far to most others.

Where are you from GPSMA? Why don't you buy into this "blind belief" that The Villages is a wonderful place?

Malvina Reynolds - Little Boxes (Weeds Theme Song) Full Version with Lyrics - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUoXtddNPAM)

[villagetinker]

If you have lived for over 20 years in the Villages are using a walker or wheel chair been in the hospital 4 times and had 3 operations 2 broken hips and moved into assisted living in the Villages and show up at a recreation center to visit with your long time friends or possibly try to go to club that you have been going to for 15 years in a wheelchair or walker. If you can get wheelchair transport. Well what happens is you are barred from entry to the Recreation center. A person like this can not play golf, swim, play pickle ball, Bocce or just about any thing else. They would consume just about zero of the Villages recreation resources. They would occupy a chair in a room. That is DISGUSTING. How much money does the Villages have to make. You should remember that ever one who lives here is headed for the same situation. In most case this situation will not go on for long because many of these people will not live very long.
So if letting old people in wheelchairs and walkers be in a room in a recreation center with there friends is going to bankrupt the Villages then this is a very different Villages then I know. These people built the Villages and they are the ones who paid for this place.
So when you live in the villages and there is no more money to made from you and they are done with you, you are Expendable. I think that this situation surely earns the Villages the designation as (AS THE FREINDLIST HOME TOWN IN AMERICAN) as long as you are not very old and sick.

Getting back on topic: First, not ALL of the assisted living facilities are on TV property, the one on 466a between Morse and Buena Vista appears to not be on TV property.
After looking at a majority of the posts, there MIGHT be a middle ground, where a resident in an assisted living facility, located within the borders of TV, could purchase some form of a recreational pass. This would probably be a different color, and probably issued or renewed on a monthly basis.
IMHO, this could allow residents in assisted living facilities to be able to use TV 'resident only' facilities. If necessary this could be a limited used type card. I will leave it to the owners, etc., to determine if this type of approach would work, as I do not have access to all of the inner workings of the card reader system, etc.
On a side note it would be nice if this type of system (or something similar) could be implemented, as I suspect most if not all of use will be in this situation eventually.

[RickeyD]

Malvina Reynolds - Little Boxes (Weeds Theme Song) Full Version with Lyrics - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUoXtddNPAM)

15 years ago my dream was to retire to New Hampshire on 20+ acres with many outbuildings & a barn. My first task was to install a post and rail fence around its perimeter. Reality sunk in and I realized all of that requires much back breaking work and maintenance. I'll take my 80 by 100 and live happily ever after with a healthy back. Not to mention warmth ! :gc:

[OpusX1]

I see two camps on TOTV #1. The people that like TV, move here abide by the rules, even the ones we don't care for.
#2 The people that find fault with everything and think camp 1 people should agree to all their complaints and change what we like for them. We are in camp 1 and if things start to change toward camp 2 we will be outa here. I really don't understand why camp 2 people come here, it's realatively easy to sell your house, make a profit, go where your happy. That's what we did. don't try to change it!

[graciegirl]

Malvina Reynolds - Little Boxes (Weeds Theme Song) Full Version with Lyrics - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUoXtddNPAM)

I think that is a song about middle class conformity.

If we live in boxes made out of ticky tacky, well then,as a group we seem realitively content with them.

Living here was not promised to anyone. We worked and saved and sacrificed to get here. A frequent poster says that is not true. We lived when insurance and benefits were given when you worked he says. It was easier then he says.

In life you have to make choices. You cannot have everything you want.

[stadalberts]

Wow, EXACTLY!

[ColdNoMore]

I see two camps on TOTV #1. The people that like TV, move here abide by the rules, even the ones we don't care for.
#2 The people that find fault with everything and think camp 1 people should agree to all their complaints and change what we like for them. We are in camp 1 and if things start to change toward camp 2 we will be outa here. I really don't understand why camp 2 people come here, it's realatively easy to sell your house, make a profit, go where your happy. That's what we did. don't try to change it!
As with most things in life, it's not that black and white.

There is also a 3rd (call it 'grey') camp.

That would be those of us who moved here and like most things, love the lifestyle and the choices of activities, consider ourselves frogs (here til we croak) BUT...also recognize that not everything is perfect in our opinion.

When we see something that we either don't agree with or think could be better, we voice that opinion.

Sadly and all too often, that 1st camp hears a bugle call, musters the troops and jumps down the throats of the third camp at the mere mention of anything that even hints at criticism...or of something we would like to see differently or a negative that we experienced.

That doesn't mean all will agree on everyone elses opinions, but it is the ability to voice that opinion without being ganged up on, called trolls/whiners/bitter/etc....that should be given a lot more acknowledgment than some in the first camp are want to do.

If someone is perfectly happy with every single aspect of TV and wouldn't change a single thing even if they could...then more power to ya.

But just back off on ganging up on those who may occasionally, and legitimately, voice their own opinions of something that bugs them or that they think could be improved.

After all, each camp is entitled to their own opinions and viewpoints....and no one camp has the right to try and shout down the other.

It's analogous to those who think if you criticize our great nation...then you should move away.

Now how many really ascribe to the idea, that if you criticize this country or its government...you should be made to move to another?

Because if you do, you're hammering the value of my place....because there's gonna be a whole lot of homes glutting the market. :D

Now, why should TV/TOTV be any different? :confused: