The local other "news online" source has to smear our community more

[goodtimesintv]

I told you guys a few months ago that "the other newspaper online" is a tabloid rag, but apparently many of you like the smearing of our community spread across the country to readers who've never even been here.

This (screen shot) showed up in my Facebook news feed because some Friends had clicked "like" long ago to the "newspaper's" website.

Of course letters to the editor should be published. But the editorial lead-in that the "newspaper" added above the photo (starting with 'Kool-Ade' and ending with asking 'Thoughts?') adds more trash to the pitiful cries of the letter writer who was apparently forced to move here at gunpoint, and isn't allowed to move away, either:

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/attachments/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/61237d1470267937-local-other-news-online-source-has-smear-our-community-more-screen-shot-2016-08-03-7-34-46-pm-jpg

:ohdear: :ohdear: :ohdear:

[Gpsma]

Its always good to have a source of healthy criticism.

[Fred R]

I disagree with your assumption. I found this "other news source" by accident several months ago and try to read it every day. I don't see it as bias against the Villages, but I do find more information about crime and vehicle accidents in TV then the Daily Sun. It will publish letters that are critical about topics, especially the recent changes in the health care program, but that is what a credible news source does. Bottom line; I enjoy both sources of information about this lovely place that I wish I could spend more time in.

[ColdNoMore]

Its always good to have a source of healthy criticism.

Exactly!

And the fact that they are willing to print 'Letters To The Editor' that may not be all gushing toward The Developer (unlike the Happy Paper)...is actually quite refreshing. :thumbup:

[villagerjack]

I stopped reading that rag a long time ago.,

[gerryann]

I disagree with your assumption. I found this "other news source" by accident several months ago and try to read it every day. I don't see it as bias against the Villages, but I do find more information about crime and vehicle accidents in TV then the Daily Sun. It will publish letters that are critical about topics, especially the recent changes in the health care program, but that is what a credible news source does. Bottom line; I enjoy both sources of information about this lovely place that I wish I could spend more time in.

I could not disagree with you more. This "newspaper" is a rag and is TOTALLY against The Villages and trynig to bring it down. Not only is the newspaper junky....but then all day long on Facebook, they repost the garbage again and again. They have had a blast with the "sex on the squares" and all of the other garbage that has gone on here the last few years. They bait folks with their captions. Nasty, nasty new source. You call this credible?? Seriously?

[Mleeja]

I think it would be interesting for people to actually state if they are residents of The Villages when posting comments on this site or the other online news source. I have a sneaky suspicion that many of the negative post and comments come from non-residents. I am a resident.

[gerryann]

I am most definitely a resident. The newspaper is a piece of garbage and I'm surprised anyone thinks otherwise. Reminds me of national inquirer for seniors.

Can't you all see how they accentuate the "historic" side in their articles? I feel bad for folks living there because it is a really nice original area in The Villages and this rag tears it down.

Keep reading ir, but at least recognize it for what it is.....

[outlaw]

I could not disagree with you more. This "newspaper" is a rag and is TOTALLY against The Villages and trynig to bring it down. Not only is the newspaper junky....but then all day long on Facebook, they repost the garbage again and again. They have had a blast with the "sex on the squares" and all of the other garbage that has gone on here the last few years. They bait folks with their captions. Nasty, nasty new source. You call this credible?? Seriously?

So it's a rag because it actually has real news about TV; not just the "don't worry, be happy" TV news that the Daily Sun has? It's not "totally against" TV. It is truthful regarding what is going on in TV. You're just not used to that.

[gerryann]

So it's a rag because it actually has real news about TV; not just the "don't worry, be happy" TV news that the Daily Sun has? It's not "totally against" TV. It is truthful regarding what is going on in TV. You're just not used to that.

Apparently you aren't on Facebook and see how they repost all of the articles over and over.......the seedier the story, the more they repost.

I'm very "used to" what's going on here. Maybe it's more the way they report it. Most of the news is also reported in the Sun.....it's just reported normally, without all the misspelling and sensationalizing. Sorry, can't convince me that this rag is anything but a trashy mess.

[outlaw]

Apparently you aren't on Facebook and see how they repost all of the articles over and over.......the seedier the story, the more they repost.

I'm very "used to" what's going on here. Maybe it's more the way they report it. Most of the news is also reported in the Sun.....it's just reported normally, without all the misspelling and sensationalizing. Sorry, can't convince me that this rag is anything but a trashy mess.

You're right. I am not on Facebook. I grew up. I also subscribe to the Daily Sun. They rarely, if ever, report anything remotely negative having to do with TV. The only negative news in the DS happens far, far away. It's basically a real estate marketing magazine in newspaper format. But if the local online news bothers you so much, quit reading it.

[Jayhawk]

I told you guys a few months ago that "the other newspaper online" is a tabloid rag, but apparently many of you like the smearing of our community spread across the country to readers who've never even been here.

This (screen shot) showed up in my Facebook news feed because some Friends had clicked "like" long ago to the "newspaper's" website.

Of course letters to the editor should be published. But the editorial lead-in that the "newspaper" added above the photo (starting with 'Kool-Ade' and ending with asking 'Thoughts?') adds more trash to the pitiful cries of the letter writer who was apparently forced to move here at gunpoint, and isn't allowed to move away, either:

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/attachments/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/61237d1470267937-local-other-news-online-source-has-smear-our-community-more-screen-shot-2016-08-03-7-34-46-pm-jpg

:ohdear: :ohdear: :ohdear:

Agree, it is mainly trash. The may post a photo of a nice sunset, but more often it is negativity. When there is no bad news inside TV, they will go to Ocala, Leesburg, etc. for some nastiness.

I read on here some time ago the person behind the curtain at the other site was previously fired by the Daily Sun. Not sure if true, but if it is, there's your motive.

:boom:

[gerryann]

You're right. I am not on Facebook. I grew up. I also subscribe to the Daily Sun. They rarely, if ever, report anything remotely negative having to do with TV. The only negative news in the DS happens far, far away. It's basically a real estate marketing magazine in newspaper format. But if the local online news bothers you so much, quit reading it.

Then give Facebook a chance. You might like it and might find some useful "grownup" information.

Just voicing my opinion of the off line rag. I read it for a laugh.

The " letters to the editor" are by far the most comical.

[goodtimesintv]

Its always good to have a source of healthy criticism.

I agree wholeheartedly, and that's why I said in the original post, "Of course letters to the editor should be published".

Any honest person of average intelligence knows what that "Kool-Ade" reference means that they just had to stick in there above the photo.

Trash. Utter trash.

[goodtimesintv]

I disagree with your assumption. I found this "other news source" by accident several months ago and try to read it every day. I don't see it as bias against the Villages, but I do find more information about crime and vehicle accidents in TV then the Daily Sun. It will publish letters that are critical about topics, especially the recent changes in the health care program, but that is what a credible news source does. Bottom line; I enjoy both sources of information about this lovely place that I wish I could spend more time in.

I have agreed all along, in the other threads that discussed this seediness they inject, that we need a newspaper with some substance and news of our TV community that is not just "The Happy Paper".

Past discussions on this included the fact that, while crime reports are definitely needed, all the seediest mug shuts available in the vicinity do not have to fill the front page with the creeps, which overshadows articles about normal, decent Villagers doing all kinds of good for the community, the needy, and each other.

Gerry has it right: it's like "national enquirer for seniors".

:ohdear:

[goodtimesintv]

I think it would be interesting for people to actually state if they are residents of The Villages when posting comments on this site or the other online news source. I have a sneaky suspicion that many of the negative post and comments come from non-residents. I am a resident.

I am a resident.

That's why I care about the trashing of our community that feeds the ignorance, stereotyping, and prejudice against all the good people who make this the best community we've ever lived in.

It's really the feeding of bigotry and prejudice that bothers me more than the actual seediness they publish. I regularly laugh out loud at the ridiculousness on the tabloids at the checkout counters. But this is about our community and our people who are decent and good citizens.

[goodtimesintv]

Agree, it is mainly trash. The may post a photo of a nice sunset, but more often it is negativity. When there is no bad news inside TV, they will go to Ocala, Leesburg, etc. for some nastiness.

I read on here some time ago the person behind the curtain at the other site was previously fired by the Daily Sun. Not sure if true, but if it is, there's your motive.

:boom:

And how about the caption "The Morse Family Starts Ever So Slowly Bleeding You"?!?!?!?!?

:ohdear: :ohdear:

[circletrack]

So it's a rag because it actually has real news about TV; not just the "don't worry, be happy" TV news that the Daily Sun has? It's not "totally against" TV. It is truthful regarding what is going on in TV. You're just not used to that.

The online news has found its niche in sensationalism. And clearly there is an audience for that here in TV (and around the world).

Aside from a few entertainment features here and there, it seems to just be a running police blotter.

The Sun runs all the same crime and crash stories each day in the local news section.

It's all about preference. I'm just not as entertained as some folks about reading the next DUI or petty theft offense.

[manaboutown]

Since I prefer to remain in reality by being informed about all that goes on in the area, the good and the bad, I check the online paper regularly. I want to know about crimes being committed, traffic issues, new construction, etc. The medical column written by a retired physician is informative and worthwhile. The DUI mugshots are priceless! Drunk/drugged drivers are no joke and cause great property damage, injuries and even deaths. The public deserves to see who they are. On a lighter note I have enjoyed the photos of the crappy vehicle parking all around TV. Hopefully the photos will improve parking habits and make The Villages an even nice place to live.

As I see it the paper has no axe to grind one way or the other. The letters to the editor are another matter so I always take them with a grain of salt although I rarely bother reading them.

[Barefoot]

I have agreed all along, in the other threads that discussed this seediness they inject, that we need a newspaper with some substance and news of our TV community that is not just "The Happy Paper".
I don't understand why anyone would be upset about a free online newspaper. :confused:
I believe you have to subscribe to receive it. If you joined by accident, it's very easy to cancel your subscription.

[goodtimesintv]

I don't understand why anyone would be upset about a free online newspaper. :confused:

I believe you have to subscribe to receive it. If you joined by accident, it's very easy to cancel your subscription.

Wrong. The thing is free, online. No need to pay money for it.

And as I said in the first post, I didn't go there to purposely look at it.

It came into my facebook news feed because a couple of friends had "liked" it awhile ago. The "Kool-Ade", "ever so slowly bleeding you" in the captions by the "news"paper were too noticeable to overlook.

[skyking]

Some of the comments here imply that the editor of this online news tries to paint The Villages in a negative light. I don't see that. It is basically a "police blotter" with the vast majority of information coming from police reports in and around our community. There is not a lot of good news to be found in police reports but they are factual. The Daily Sun reminds me of the regional neighborhood news papers up north. Not much real news, more local features and a vehicle for local advertising.

[rubicon]

The bigger sin is a publication that censure news ,reformats it to their political philosophy, or omits news items entirely.

The publication in question and the ad in particular reference a letter written by a resident expressing his feeling and beliefs. It is the resident's God given right and its base on factual evidence experienced by at least 13,000 other residents.

Freedom of speech is guaranteed to offend someone but its the price we pay for that freedom. What some posters are suggesting here is a restriction on the freedom of speech because its doesn't fit their world view.

you can't hide the truth and the truth will set you free.

Here again is another example of those residents who seem to believe that they have to come to the defense of The Villages when in fact they should be coming to the defense of residents or at least remaining neutral. It just causes one to furrow a brow and scratch the back of the head? My neighbors are important to me not some business entity.

The Villages doesn't need defending they have the high ground they have loads of money and they have the political connections, essentially the power

Some poster mentioned Facebook. Facebook has shown its manipulation of news concerning politics based on it founders beliefs. any form of a news outlet that restricts free flow of information and/or manipulates news is not a worthy publication. Its unethical journalism and in my view commits what I consider the graves sin of all HYPOCRISY which essentially creates a breach of trust and once trust is broken it can seldom can be reinstated.

Personal Best Regards:

[Villageswimmer]

The bigger sin is a publication that censure news ,reformats it to their political philosophy, or omits news items entirely.

The publication in question and the ad in particular reference a letter written by a resident expressing his feeling and beliefs. It is the resident's God given right and its base on factual evidence experienced by at least 13,000 other residents.

Freedom of speech is guaranteed to offend someone but its the price we pay for that freedom. What some posters are suggesting here is a restriction on the freedom of speech because its doesn't fit their world view.

you can't hide the truth and the truth will set you free.

Here again is another example of those residents who seem to believe that they have to come to the defense of The Villages when in fact they should be coming to the defense of residents or at least remaining neutral. It just causes one to furrow a brow and scratch the back of the head? My neighbors are important to me not some business entity.

The Villages doesn't need defending they have the high ground they have loads of money and they have the political connections, essentially the power

Some poster mentioned Facebook. Facebook has shown its manipulation of news concerning politics based on it founders beliefs. any form of a news outlet that restricts free flow of information and/or manipulates news is not a worthy publication. Its unethical journalism and in my view commits what I consider the graves sin of all HYPOCRISY which essentially creates a breach of trust and once trust is broken it can seldom can be reinstated.

Personal Best Regards:


Finally, a voice of reason. :bowdown:

[ColdNoMore]

I don't understand why anyone would be upset about a free online newspaper. :confused:
I believe you have to subscribe to receive it. If you joined by accident, it's very easy to cancel your subscription.

I haven't heard that you have to subscribe to it.

I found it shortly after I joined here when someone was screeching about it then. I simply saved it to favorites and go look occasionally, but have not had to sign up for anything.




I guess what continually amazes me however, are all the people that become apoplectic about a news source that actually doesn't withhold facts and is willing to be more than a "company town rag trying to sell homes"...such as we have with The Happy Paper.

Even for those who are thoroughly opposed to the 1st Amendment of the COTUS (which quite surprisingly given the political makeup, seems to be quite a few around here), you have to make an effort to get to that (or any other) news sources...so the solution to what so easily sends you into a rage is actually quite controllable.

Just STOP making that effort of clicking on the site...and your problems are solved. :shrug:

It really is as simple as that. :ho:

And it's just a guess on my part, but I'm thinking those same people don't really care for the POA newsletter either. :D

[600th Photo Sq]

I don't understand why anyone would be upset about a free online newspaper. :confused:
I believe you have to subscribe to receive it. If you joined by accident, it's very easy to cancel your subscription.

Straight and to the point. All in 3 sentences Well Said !!:plane:

[Happydaz]

The bigger sin is a publication that censure news ,reformats it to their political philosophy, or omits news items entirely.

The publication in question and the ad in particular reference a letter written by a resident expressing his feeling and beliefs. It is the resident's God given right and its base on factual evidence experienced by at least 13,000 other residents.

Freedom of speech is guaranteed to offend someone but its the price we pay for that freedom. What some posters are suggesting here is a restriction on the freedom of speech because its doesn't fit their world view.

you can't hide the truth and the truth will set you free.

Here again is another example of those residents who seem to believe that they have to come to the defense of The Villages when in fact they should be coming to the defense of residents or at least remaining neutral. It just causes one to furrow a brow and scratch the back of the head? My neighbors are important to me not some business entity.

The Villages doesn't need defending they have the high ground they have loads of money and they have the political connections, essentially the power

Some poster mentioned Facebook. Facebook has shown its manipulation of news concerning politics based on it founders beliefs. any form of a news outlet that restricts free flow of information and/or manipulates news is not a worthy publication. Its unethical journalism and in my view commits what I consider the graves sin of all HYPOCRISY which essentially creates a breach of trust and once trust is broken it can seldom can be reinstated.

Personal Best Regards:

Thanks for this post! We need a free press that is free to publish all the facts, not some of the facts. For me the Daily Sun has been deficient in reporting on the recent Medicare fiasco at the Villages Health. Think about it. Not a single article on the situation and how many residents are searching for new doctors, etc. Just more propaganda on The Villages as "The Healthiest Hometown." Another is the Villages as "The Friendliest Hometown." The rest of the paper is enjoyable though. I like the articles about the people and all their activities, but after this recent Medicare situation I no longer appreciate the propaganda articles.

[SKIMAN]

I love the "online rag" it's like Paul Harvey said {THE REST OF THE STORY} there's 3 sides to every story.

[photo1902]

I haven't heard that you have to subscribe to it.

I found it shortly after I joined here when someone was screeching about it then. I simply saved it to favorites and go look occasionally, but have not had to sign up for anything.




I guess what continually amazes me however, are all the people that become apoplectic about a news source that actually doesn't withhold facts and is willing to be more than a "company town rag trying to sell homes"...such as we have with The Happy Paper.

Even for those who are thoroughly opposed to the 1st Amendment of the COTUS (which quite surprisingly given the political makeup, seems to be quite a few around here), you have to make an effort to get to that (or any other) news sources...so the solution to what so easily sends you into a rage is actually quite controllable.

Just STOP making that effort of clicking on the site...and your problems are solved. :shrug:

It really is as simple as that. :ho:

And it's just a guess on my part, but I'm thinking those same people don't really care for the POA newsletter either. :D

:eclipsee_gold_cup:

[kaseydog]

Online village newspaper is not a rag. It had highlighted heartless treatment of villagers by developers. The villagers health center debacle & morse bridge repair cost being put on villagers. Developers are ruining their reputation,all over the country, by their own greedy actions.
Encourage reading of villages on line news. Hope it saves you from grief i'm going through.

[circletrack]

I haven't heard that you have to subscribe to it.

I found it shortly after I joined here when someone was screeching about it then. I simply saved it to favorites and go look occasionally, but have not had to sign up for anything.




I guess what continually amazes me however, are all the people that become apoplectic about a news source that actually doesn't withhold facts and is willing to be more than a "company town rag trying to sell homes"...such as we have with The Happy Paper.

Even for those who are thoroughly opposed to the 1st Amendment of the COTUS (which quite surprisingly given the political makeup, seems to be quite a few around here), you have to make an effort to get to that (or any other) news sources...so the solution to what so easily sends you into a rage is actually quite controllable.

Just STOP making that effort of clicking on the site...and your problems are solved. :shrug:

It really is as simple as that. :ho:

And it's just a guess on my part, but I'm thinking those same people don't really care for the POA newsletter either. :D

Beginning to wonder if some of you even read the "Happy Paper"
With their extensive death penalty coverage, Black Lives Matter and Orlando shooting stories taking up the front pages recently, it doesn't seem so happy.

[outlaw]

I have agreed all along, in the other threads that discussed this seediness they inject, that we need a newspaper with some substance and news of our TV community that is not just "The Happy Paper".

Past discussions on this included the fact that, while crime reports are definitely needed, all the seediest mug shuts available in the vicinity do not have to fill the front page with the creeps, which overshadows articles about normal, decent Villagers doing all kinds of good for the community, the needy, and each other.

Gerry has it right: it's like "national enquirer for seniors".

:ohdear:

Maybe you should talk to the "Happy Paper" editor and see if a little more realism can be inserted into the DS. If the DS was more balanced and realistic, maybe people would not need to read the online paper.

[kaseydog]

I called the "be happy" paper reporter" who wrote the article about the insurance change in the tv health. Asked when when he would write article about patients established at tvh & now having to try to find new doctors because of insurance conflicts & loss of benefits.
He refused to write article covering the other side of tv health decision & hung up on me.

[outlaw]

Beginning to wonder if some of you even read the "Happy Paper"
With their extensive death penalty coverage, Black Lives Matter and Orlando shooting stories taking up the front pages recently, it doesn't seem so happy.

Yes. All OUTSIDE the bubble. Don't you get it?

[graciegirl]

I called the "be happy" paper reporter" who wrote the article about the insurance change in the tv health. Asked when when he would write article about patients established at tvh & now having to try to find new doctors because of insurance conflicts & loss of benefits.
He refused to write article covering the other side of tv health decision & hung up on me.



I haven't ever called the paper and been hung up on. In fact I can't recall ever being hung up on by any business.

[ColdNoMore]

Yes. All OUTSIDE the bubble. Don't you get it?

:thumbup:


Needing to point out the obvious...is but one symptom of the problem. :oops:

[graciegirl]

Yes. All OUTSIDE the bubble. Don't you get it?

I think world and National issues are very unhappy right now and are of interest to many.

Does anyone else notice kind of a barrage of taunts and negativism from a certain group? Having been called a bully I am reluctant to say more than that. What makes one group more valid than another group?

Heck I don't care. What is wrong with certain people that they are only happy saying ugly things? I think that most of us are pretty savvy folks and we don't see the glass half empty. I think we are being bullied for being positive.

And I do agree with the OP in that here has been a huge shift in Journalism lately over at the online news.

I will soon read posts about my unrealistic enjoyment of all things here and I will wonder to myself what is the motive behind all of this negativity.

[Miles42]

I am a resident, I do not find it to be a rag. It just reports the news. None of is a lie that I see so far.

[Taltarzac725]

There are many sources for information about the Villages and I like seeing the good, the bad and the ugly.

This is a very large area with a population of well over 150,000 so there are going to be more problems as it grows even bigger.

Not sure how they got that number but it does show up in research.

I even look at Topix.com once in a while and that usually is less mature than what you might find written on a Junior High Bathroom wall probably written by someone with the emotional sensitivity of a backward eight year old.

[Taltarzac725]

I don't "blindly follow the developer's interests." I just like it here. I am also a capitalist and I like when private enterprise does a good job. The developer's family all might be nasty people and greedy as hell, I don't know them and I doubt you do either.

I am more than satisfied with my life here.

Actually some of them are probably quite nice.

[dewilson58]

Oh well.

[gerryann]

I don't understand why anyone would be upset about a free online newspaper. :confused:
I believe you have to subscribe to receive it. If you joined by accident, it's very easy to cancel your subscription.

I don't believe anyone is "upset" over it. Just voicing an opinion.

[Barefoot]

I don't understand why anyone would be upset about a FREE online newspaper. :confused:
I believe you have to subscribe to receive it. If you joined by accident, it's very easy to cancel your subscription.

Wrong. The thing is free, online. No need to pay money for it.
That's what I said, the online newspaper is FREE!!!!
If you want the newspaper to automatically appear every morning in your email basket,
you can subscribe to this FREE online newspaper.
If you wish to stop receiving it daily, you can cancel your subscription to this FREE online newspaper.

[gerryann]

I am a resident, I do not find it to be a rag. It just reports the news. None of is a lie that I see so far.

Has nothing to do with WHAT they report, but the WAY they report. Misspelling, sensationalize stories. It's just not done in a professional manner. They need to at the least take a journalism class. There is no getting around the fact that they are a "rag". People will continue to read it, just like people keep buying National Inquirer. People eat this junk up......go figure.

[RickeyD]

I don't "blindly follow the developer's interests." I just like it here. I am also a capitalist and I like when private enterprise does a good job. The developer's family all might be nasty people and greedy as hell, I don't know them and I doubt you do either.

I am more than satisfied with my life here.



cap·i·tal·ist
kapdlst/
noun
1.
a wealthy person who uses money to invest in trade and industry for profit in accordance with the principles of capitalism.
"the creation of the factory system by nineteenth-century capitalists"
synonyms:financier, investor, industrialist; More

[gerryann]

Actually some of them are probably quite nice.

I truly doubt that. They are opinionated morons. I guess you don't read their garbage. It's actually quite comical.

[Barefoot]

I don't believe anyone is "upset" over it. Just voicing an opinion.
The OP called it a "tabloid rag that was smearing our community".
He/she seemed upset to me.
But perhaps "concerned" would have been a better word choice than upset.

[RickeyD]

I don't "blindly follow the developer's interests." I just like it here. I am also a capitalist and I like when private enterprise does a good job. The developer's family all might be nasty people and greedy as hell, I don't know them and I doubt you do either.

I am more than satisfied with my life here.



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[Kahuna32162]

Has nothing to do with WHAT they report, but the WAY they report. Misspelling, sensationalize stories. It's just not done in a professional manner. They need to at the least take a journalism class. There is no getting around the fact that they are a "rag". People will continue to read it, just like people keep buying National Inquirer. People eat this junk up......go figure.

This forum is also free and chuck full of lots of negative comments about TVHS as well as any thing else that happens around here that some one doesn't like. Rumors run rampant and posters openly complain and condem contractors, services and restaurants on a regular basis.

If you ever want to see the true ugly under belly of America's Frienglist Hometown just read a few threads in the political forum. They are anonymous giving the poster free rein to level a vitriolic tirade on anything or anyone they don't agree with.

Both the online news source and TOTV are free and only require a click to access. If one, the other or both make you crazy, don't click on them.

[twoplanekid]

I look at and read both CNN and Fox News. Both can be a bit ragged at times. Same is true of the happy paper and village online news. Well, maybe not the happy paper being dirty.

[Barefoot]

Both the online news source and TOTV are free ..... If one, the other or both make you crazy, don't click on them.
:bowdown:

[Buffalo Jim]

Capitalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism)

:agree:

There sure seems to be a lot of very unhappy people living here . And the volume of complaints never slow down they are constant .

If I were reading this site from up North and thinking of visiting here to check it out I might well decide otherwise .

Major reason would be all of the negatives about the Development Company . Based on what I would read from afar the Development Company is constantly abusing the folks that purchased homes from them .

Sort of like the old days when people worked in a coal mine and lived in company owned homes and had to purchase everything from the company store .

It all just sounds terrible and like an awful place to live .

[njbchbum]

Some of the comments here imply that the editor of this online news tries to paint The Villages in a negative light. I don't see that. It is basically a "police blotter" with the vast majority of information coming from police reports in and around our community. There is not a lot of good news to be found in police reports but they are factual. The Daily Sun reminds me of the regional neighborhood news papers up north. Not much real news, more local features and a vehicle for local advertising.

Once upon a time during what was a spate of criminal/suspicious activity in TV, several posters on TOTV promised to be in contact with local police for updates on such activity and to share that police information here in the forums.

It never happened! The on-line news more than fills that need/desire now.

[gerryann]

This forum is also free and chuck full of lots of negative comments about TVHS as well as any thing else that happens around here that some one doesn't like. Rumors run rampant and posters openly complain and condem contractors, services and restaurants on a regular basis.

If you ever want to see the true ugly under belly of America's Frienglist Hometown just read a few threads in the political forum. They are anonymous giving the poster free rein to level a vitriolic tirade on anything or anyone they don't agree with.

Both the online news source and TOTV are free and only require a click to access. If one, the other or both make you crazy, don't click on them.

Never said they make me "crazy". If they did, I wouldn't read.

I agree TOTV very often slams TV as well.

I don't go on the political. Who cares what "anonymous" has to say?

[graciegirl]

:agree:

There sure seems to be a lot of very unhappy people living here . And the volume of complaints never slow down they are constant .

If I were reading this site from up North and thinking of visiting here to check it out I might well decide otherwise .

Major reason would be all of the negatives about the Development Company . Based on what I would read from afar the Development Company is constantly abusing the folks that purchased homes from them .

Sort of like the old days when people worked in a coal mine and lived in company owned homes and had to purchase everything from the company store .

It all just sounds terrible and like an awful place to live .

That is what is upsetting to me too. I am a person who lives here and I am very proud of my choice to live here. I am blessed with so many good experiences that I never dreamed I would have in the fall of my life. I have friends who are much younger and friends who are much older and I have the time to paint and draw in a magnificent building with people far more talented than me that are very nice and helpful. I can play golf as much as I want as I watch my golf game go down the tubes. I can brag about my grandchildren if I allow others to brag about theirs. I am spending day after day in a lovely home with two people I love in a community of decent, law abiding folks with many similar views and interests.

I HATE it when people malign the whole durn place.

[gerryann]

:agree:

There sure seems to be a lot of very unhappy people living here . And the volume of complaints never slow down they are constant .

If I were reading this site from up North and thinking of visiting here to check it out I might well decide otherwise .

Major reason would be all of the negatives about the Development Company . Based on what I would read from afar the Development Company is constantly abusing the folks that purchased homes from them .

Sort of like the old days when people worked in a coal mine and lived in company owned homes and had to purchase everything from the company store .

It all just sounds terrible and like an awful place to live .

I agree. Too much negativity about TV. But.........I don't care what anyone says....this place IS changing.

[gerryann]

I should have added. I think the changes have a lot to do with the fact that it's growing too fast. Way too crowded.

[Fred R]

I truly doubt that. They are opinionated morons. I guess you don't read their garbage. It's actually quite comical.

Man,, that is just plain MEAN.

[phairmason]

:agree:

There sure seems to be a lot of very unhappy people living here . And the volume of complaints never slow down they are constant .

If I were reading this site from up North and thinking of visiting here to check it out I might well decide otherwise .

Major reason would be all of the negatives about the Development Company . Based on what I would read from afar the Development Company is constantly abusing the folks that purchased homes from them .

Sort of like the old days when people worked in a coal mine and lived in company owned homes and had to purchase everything from the company store .

It all just sounds terrible and like an awful place to live .

It does sound horrid. The Kansas City Star is doing a series on HOAs that makes this company town look angelic.

A piece of advice originally suggested to me for online reviews (e.g., Amazon) that also applies here: Skim the unrealistically gushing and negative information and focus on the content that actually provides useful information.

[gerryann]

Man,, that is just plain MEAN.

Seriously? I guess you don't read the comments on the letters. I wasn't referring to the letters themselves, just the comments. Four same people every day. The most ridiculous is Oppenheimer, or something like that.

[goodtimesintv]

I told you guys a few months ago that "the other newspaper online" is a tabloid rag, but apparently many of you like the smearing of our community spread across the country to readers who've never even been here.

This (screen shot) showed up in my Facebook news feed because some Friends had clicked "like" long ago to the "newspaper's" website.

Of course letters to the editor should be published. But the editorial lead-in that the "newspaper" added above the photo (starting with 'Kool-Ade' and ending with asking 'Thoughts?') adds more trash to the pitiful cries of the letter writer who was apparently forced to move here at gunpoint, and isn't allowed to move away, either:

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/attachments/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/61237d1470267937-local-other-news-online-source-has-smear-our-community-more-screen-shot-2016-08-03-7-34-46-pm-jpg

:ohdear: :ohdear: :ohdear:

Since some of you insist on purposely missing the point, here is my original post with screen shot again.

I didn't say anything against publishing complaints about your pet villain, the 'evil rich' developers.

I didn't say anything about the content of the letter to the editor.

I directed attention to the unnecessary, clearly BIASED captioning and lead-in editorializing they put in above and below the photo ('Kool-Ade'....'Bleeding you'...etc.). This is not journalism! This is tabloidism!

Here's a news flash: pretty much every employer you've ever had, and auto dealer and home builder you've ever bought from is/was far richer than you were. Get over it.

And as for all the pitiful souls who think they've been hoodwinked by buying a home here, that's your own fault for ignoring what you've heard all your life: "Buyer, beware".

We have never bought a home (many times) based on being convinced by real estate agents and advertising that no circumstance would ever arise to make us want to move.

Having to move is always a possibility. A tornado could wipe out 500 homes tonight, and some here would blame that on the developers too.

But you won't hesitate to want them here, halting all their other construction to put their crews on rebuilding your home a whole lot faster than it would take anywhere else, as they DID in 2007.

Think about it.

[Gpsma]

Here's a news flash: pretty much every employer you've ever had, and auto dealer and home builder you've ever bought from is/was far richer than you were. Get over it.

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But not one employer, auto dealer or home builder continued to exert any undue influence over my personal living situation. Can you say the same about the Esteemed and Benevolent Morse Family?

Think about it.

[spring_chicken]

Umm, you are aware that your quoted words (kool aid and bleeding) are a letter TO the editor. NOT the words of the editor? Or were you too anxious to run to TOTV and bash before comprehending the situation?

Wrong. The thing is free, online. No need to pay money for it.

And as I said in the first post, I didn't go there to purposely look at it.

It came into my facebook news feed because a couple of friends had "liked" it awhile ago. The "Kool-Ade", "ever so slowly bleeding you" in the captions by the "news"paper were too noticeable to overlook.

[spring_chicken]

"I directed attention to the unnecessary, clearly BIASED captioning and lead-in editorializing they put in above and below the photo ('Kool-Ade'....'Bleeding you'...etc.). This is not journalism!"

Of course it's not! Because it wasn't written by the editor! But you've unleashed your rage before even knowing WTH you're talking about! Your points are totally lost on me when you can't even get that!

[ColdNoMore]

Umm, you are aware that your quoted words (kool aid and bleeding) are a letter TO the editor. NOT the words of the editor? Or were you too anxious to run to TOTV and bash before comprehending the situation?

:agree:

[goodtimesintv]

But not one employer, auto dealer or home builder continued to exert any undue influence over my personal living situation. Can you say the same about the Esteemed and Benevolent Morse Family?

Think about it.

They do try. They try like crazy.

But I was taught to think for myself. And I do.

I would not hesitate to move if that's what I had to do to utilize and benefit from my best choice in medicare and insurance plans that include the best doctors I research and can get onboard with.

"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."

-- Aristotle

[ColdNoMore]

Actually some of them are probably quite nice.



I truly doubt that. They are opinionated morons.


The irony in that exchange... actually made me laugh out loud. :D

[goodtimesintv]

Umm, you are aware that your quoted words (kool aid and bleeding) are a letter TO the editor. NOT the words of the editor? Or were you too anxious to run to TOTV and bash before comprehending the situation?

As I said before, putting it out front in large, bold type, in the captioning and titling before the reader ever gets to the letter writer's original statement of it, is unnecessary, BIASED, editorializing.

If you think I don't comprehend, after reading what I have written, that's your lack of comprehension and insight.

[Barefoot]

"I directed attention to the unnecessary, clearly BIASED captioning and lead-in editorializing they put in above and below the photo ('Kool-Ade'....'Bleeding you'...etc.). This is not journalism!"

Of course it's not! Because it wasn't written by the editor! But you've unleashed your rage before even knowing WTH you're talking about! Your points are totally lost on me when you can't even get that!
:bowdown:

[goodtimesintv]

:bowdown:

See post #72.

[gerryann]

The irony in that exchange... actually made me laugh out loud. :D

I agree! Hysterical!

[Kahuna32162]

So this thread has detriated into poster vs poster, time to close it and move on.

[gerryann]

I only see polite disagreement.

[Bavarian]

We did not get involved with the Villages Health Care System when we moved here three years ago. I have good insurance continuing in retirement. doubt we will buy Medicare B. Can't see the need.

Had an HMO once, and did not like it. In The Government we could change insurance every year. Like what we have now.

Seems like in Family businessence The First Generation builds the business, the Second Generation keeps it going as it was, the Third and lower Generations, let it fall apart as too many people have different ideas and they want money.

[rubicon]

You are completely out of touch with the feelings of many of your fellow Villagers. As usual, you blindly follow the developer's interests just like the Daily Sun. After some recent changes many of us will no longer "go quietly into the night." There are more of us than you realize. I enjoy living in The Villages, but I am not going to defend the Villages propaganda anymore. I have lost my tolerance for newspaper articles in the Daily Sun about the "Healthiest, Friendliest Hometown."

Happydaz. Well said and as expressed in my corporate days "Disagreement doesn't mean disloyalty". One can be upset about some flaw, rule, policy, etc here and still love living here.

disagreement is how people eventually come to a consensus ,

[Mleeja]

You know, like it or not, we are a community of 100,000 people. Within a community of this size we are going to have crime, drunk and disorderly, and unhappy people. Just like any other city of 100,000, we have our problems. (Probably less). I made a comment wayyyy back on the first page wondering how many people who constantly trash TV and the developers are actual residents. I think some go out of their way to make TV look bad. Why, I don't know. I am not going to take the time to comment about The Villages Health Network or the island under the Morse Blvd. bridge because there are other threads to do this. The point I want to make is the majority of the residents probably do not even bother to check the other news site or even this one. They are too busy enjoying the heck out of this place.

I know I will be soundly criticized for asking this, as others before me have, but if you are a resident of TV and are that unhappy with TV or the developers, why do you still live here? The homes in The Villages sell rather quickly and there are several other communities with very affordable and nice homes in this area. Why not just move an save yourself all the grief and resentment?

If you not a resident of TV why do you feel the need to make negative comments about the place so many of us enjoy the heck out of?

[Retiring]

There is nothing wrong with pointing out some of the negatives to living in TV. Just as there is nothing wrong focusing on the positives to living in TV. Whenever I read a story about a DUI or shooting into a home or corrupt salesperson or unfriendly… I always keep in mind the size of TV and these are stories about individuals not the community. Any city with 100k+ residents has problems. I do think TV has fewer problems than cities of comparable size, but I have no statistics to back that up. My experience from a couple visits to TV is the pros far outweigh the cons. If you plan to be an active senior, come to TV is what I tell friends.

As for turning people away from TV, the Sales office can take some blame. First look at the trolley tour. I’ve taken it twice, 6 mons apart. The first, a nice elderly woman tour guide, had many facts wrong, example, all champion courses are free, the bonds run $10-30k so not very accurate. The other tour was this spring. A nice 80yo gentlemen guide, went on and on about the alligators in TV. He said stuff like: Yes we have alligators, don’t touch the alligators, there are alligators in this pond and that pond and that pond over there, please tell your guests to not touch the alligators… This man had a great fascination with alligators and spent one third of the tour talking about them. At the end of the tour, half the people on the bus said they would look elsewhere for a 55+ community. He literally frightened away half the visitors on the bus. As for the people with me, I told them in the week that I had been in TV I had not seen a gator. That seemed to help.

[VApeople]

At the end of the tour, half the people on the bus said they would look elsewhere for a 55+ community. He literally frightened away half the visitors on the bus.

I guess they are looking for a place in Florida where the lakes do not have alligators.

[ColdNoMore]

I know I will be soundly criticized for asking this, as others before me have, but if you are a resident of TV and are that unhappy with TV or the developers, why do you still live here? The homes in The Villages sell rather quickly and there are several other communities with very affordable and nice homes in this area. Why not just move an save yourself all the grief and resentment?

Serious question here, do you feel the same about those who criticize our President or government?

Should those people move to another country?

What so many don't seem to get, is that the vast majority of us who DO live here yet occasionally express something we don't like, or a negative situation we experienced...still think it is overall a good place to live.

But why does expressing those things, seem to set so many of you off into 'attack mode?'

I just really don't get it. :confused:

[ColdNoMore]

As for turning people away from TV, the Sales office can take some blame. First look at the trolley tour. I’ve taken it twice, 6 mons apart. The first, a nice elderly woman tour guide, had many facts wrong, example, all champion courses are free, the bonds run $10-30k so not very accurate. The other tour was this spring. A nice 80yo gentlemen guide, went on and on about the alligators in TV. He said stuff like: Yes we have alligators, don’t touch the alligators, there are alligators in this pond and that pond and that pond over there, please tell your guests to not touch the alligators… This man had a great fascination with alligators and spent one third of the tour talking about them. At the end of the tour, half the people on the bus said they would look elsewhere for a 55+ community. He literally frightened away half the visitors on the bus. As for the people with me, I told them in the week that I had been in TV I had not seen a gator. That seemed to help.


WOW! :eek:

While I admit to having never taken the Trolley Tour, I have taken the boat ride at Lake Sumter many times.

While they do spin tall tales about the supposed 'history' of the place, it is more tongue-in-cheek and very few believe the creosote factory explosion. :D

But if your experiences on the Trolley isn't just an anomaly (which would be pretty high odds, that only you have experienced such misinformation/negativity).....I would suggest someone from the Sales Office pay attention to what you wrote.

[Mleeja]

Serious question here, do you feel the same about those who criticize our President or government?

Should those people move to another country?

What so many don't seem to get, is that the vast majority of us who DO live here yet occasionally express something we don't like, or a negative situation we experienced...still think it is overall a good place to live.

But why does expressing those things, seem to set so many of you off into 'attack mode?'

I just really don't get it. :confused:

Point 1. There seems to be a lot of people "treating" to leave the country over is election... Most of them will not be missed.

Point 2. You are correct, we will express our unhappiness with certain things here in The Villages. I have done this myself.

What I have not done is consistently trashed The Villages Management or the Morse family. This is what bothers me. They have invested millions of dollars to make this a wonderful place to live. Did they get everything right? Are all of the decisions made by the CCDs or the AAC correct? Well I guess that is in the eye of the beholder. This is where we can generate open discussion.

But the people who make it their mission to "attack" TV and the developers should just move on...in my humble opinion.

[graciegirl]

See post #72.

I can't even figure out who is agreeing with who. I mean disagreeing with who.

I think Bare was agreeing with you, Goodtimes.