Depressing...Lots Of Naysayers Live Here

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It's amazing to read the posts here compared to what the vast majority of people think. I know where to come to look for everything wrong with the new administration. Even before we even know if their plans will work.

Check out the post-speech poll reported by CNN...

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2009/02/poll_obama_addr.html

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It's amazing to read the posts here compared to what the vast majority of people think. I know where to come to look for everything wrong with the new administration. Even before we even know if their plans will work.

Check out the post-speech poll reported by CNN...

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2009/02/poll_obama_addr.html

I have a wife and two kids. That "stimulus" bill of almost $800 billion and with interest will cost over a TRILLION dollars. It will cost over $3000 per person in America. My share is $12000. That TARP bill was another almost $12000 from my pocket. And that is just the beginning of his spending. He wants to have ME (the government) pay for the banks, and then for the interest payments of those who dont pay their mortgage, and then for their principal if they can't pay. I am a working person. I am not "rich" but I will have to pay that $24000 and MORE. When I get to 62 in 7 years there will be no money left in social security because it has been paying to people who never paid and more to people then they did pay (plus Interest). And if they tax "the rich" to pay for it all, I know the "rich" have the power to just pass it on to peeons like me in the form of higher prices for things my family needs. I have scraped and saved my whole life. I will not be able to retire in the villages as I hope to. Now do you know why we express our opinion what is WRONG with the new administration. And don't tell me he is better than the last one. Bush was a MASSIVE spender in Conservative clothing. We have a right to be mad as h--- and we are not going to take it anymore.

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I know it's only supposed to fund the government for the balance of the fiscal year, but an overall 8% increase in spending? 8,500 earmarks?

This is not Democrats or Republicans, although I recognize that the Dems are in control. Both parties all were complicit in passing this thing. If President Obama lets this stand without a veto, and if he then cuts his budget proposal by 8% (which I don't think will happen), all that would do is keep government spending even with this year. And this year was the grossly bloated budget approved last year.

I've written the President imploring him to veto this bill. I hope he does, but I'm surely not holding my breath. These people in Congress live in their own world inside the beltway. We need to bring them back "out here" to get a real job!

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It's amazing to read the posts here compared to what the vast majority of people think. I know where to come to look for everything wrong with the new administration. Even before we even know if their plans will work.

Check out the post-speech poll reported by CNN...

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2009/02/poll_obama_addr.html

I have to agree VK. I assume you have noticed the dearth of opposing views to the same 5 or so people that seem certain that every single action of the President is wrong. In my experience absolutes are usually not very accurate, but the constant hammering on every step he makes, sometimes before he even makes it really is rather off puting. There are so many levels to what actually got us here that I truly don't believe anyone completely understands it. Further, I would think that if there was such and obvious "better" answer or action for our present situation it would be raised up and proffered to the masses and and seriously examined. For all of the Obama slamming I am still waiting to hear viable alternatives. Perhaps all of what he offers is not "right" but who actually knows what is right for this situation?
If all of the pundits and analysts are so brilliant about what is wrong here, where were they as we descended into this unholy morass? Why didn't they stop it?
How can so many be so pompous, when at the end of the day no one is quite sure how to deal with it, beyond supposition and theory? I am not pleased with every point of what I see so far but at least he has surrounded himself with a broad scope of intelligent and experienced people and is attempting to progress through this. I guess someone has to be the scapegoat...shame he only got a few weeks to fix everything.

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I completely agree with you Serenity. Also, maybe I missed it but did anyone hear Bobby Jindal's response to President Obama's speech? Was he kidding???
That had to be one of the worst speeches I've ever heard. Even the Republicans hated it. He sounded like he was telling a bedtime story to kids! And this is the GOP's best hope??? :yuck: He's not going anywhere!

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I completely agree with you Serenity. Also, maybe I missed it but did anyone hear Bobby Jindal's response to President Obama's speech? Was he kidding???
That had to be one of the worst speeches I've ever heard. Even the Republicans hated it. He sounded like he was tell a bedtime story to kids! And this is the GOP's best hope??? :yuck: He's not going anywhere!
Don't knock it, I would love to see a Piyush "Bobby" Jindal and Sarah Palin ticket in 2012. :1rotfl:

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Don't knock it, I would love to see a Piyush "Bobby" Jindal and Sarah Palin ticket in 2012. :1rotfl:


Oh wouldn't that be great! Hahahaha! :laugh:

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Don't knock it, I would love to see a Piyush "Bobby" Jindal and Sarah Palin ticket in 2012. :1rotfl:


Now that's funny I don't care who ya are.

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I completely agree with you Serenity. Also, maybe I missed it but did anyone hear Bobby Jindal's response to President Obama's speech? Was he kidding???
That had to be one of the worst speeches I've ever heard. Even the Republicans hated it. He sounded like he was telling a bedtime story to kids! And this is the GOP's best hope??? :yuck: He's not going anywhere!

I don't follow politics as you know Chelsea, and I respect your opinions but I did read what he said about this bill is going to saddle the generations to come. That has to be true.

Sadly. This seems to be the only way out right now.

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I guess I went to a different math class then you VK. 8% increase in spending for the federal budget? I think you should go check that again. I did. I got a number significantly higher then yours. Also, 8500 earmarks? By my math again it was 9500, but who's counting. Oh, yes, Mr Obama was counting. And he stood in front of the world and said there was zero earmarks in the bill. Made the point several times. Does that mean he was lying to us? Or did he just take a different math class then you and I did? Or perhaps his definition of an earmark or pork as we have all known it for the last 50 years is different than ours. Actually the pork was higher then the stimulus. A trillion here a trillion there, who cares, it's our kids and grandkids who will pay for it in taxes or inflation, not you and me. And didn't I read someplace there are less of them than us? Must be that new math again.

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It's amazing to read the posts here compared to what the vast majority of people think. I know where to come to look for everything wrong with the new administration. Even before we even know if their plans will work.

Check out the post-speech poll reported by CNN...

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2009/02/poll_obama_addr.html

Kahuna, to use your words and context the "vast majority" of people in Sumter County which makes up a significant part of the Villages may take issue with your cavalier assessment. From an old post by yours truly.

In the 2008 Sumter County presidential election where The Villages makes up a major portion of the electorate, it is interesting to note the result was overwhelmingly (63.01%) for McCain. Obama received only 36.04% of the vote. 82% of eligible voters went to the polls.

30,866 Sumter residents voted for McCain
17,655 voted for Obama

To my Sumter County friends and neighbors, isn't it nice to live in a community of so many like minded people.

I would not be surprised if other Villages districts registered similar results. Sooo.....it would appear you are in the midst of a constituency who does not tilt to your comfort zone on the left. Perhaps you will find more supportive and like minded thinkers on talk boards in urban areas like Chicago and San Francisco. I am sure Orlando would fit the mold. That is not to say we have a dearth of Liberal posters here. To the contrary, by nature, the left is usually more vocal than conservatives which sometimes makes their minions here seem greater than they actually are.

Obama is an intelligent, articulate communicator with charisma to spare. He is also the wrong president, with the wrong platform, and the wrong socialist agenda at exactly the wrong time in our history. His approval ratings are slipping dramatically and the only question that remains is how much damage he will do to our country before he leaves office.

I know that this rant is a broadside. I'll save for a rainy day debate on Obama's:

Disastrous Economic policy
Billions in military cuts
Emasculation of Intelligence Services
Redistribution of Wealth
Oppressive growth killing taxation
His Fairness Doctrine designed to kill conservative talk radio and free speech
His agenda to advance a new secular society in America
His lies - this will be a very long post

Wow.....this posting thing can be therapeutic. I feel better already.

Standing by for incoming.

Everyone, have a really great day in The Villages.

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I don't follow politics as you know Chelsea, and I respect your opinions but I did read what he said about this bill is going to saddle the generations to come. That has to be true.

Sadly. This seems to be the only way out right now.
Polls are great. The demographics of the poll are never revealed, so one doesn't know who was polled, where the poll was conducted, and if multiple responses (the blind internet response poll) were permitted.

Individual income taxes are going to the stratosphere. The "rate" may only go up for the top bracket, but deductions are going to be sliced big-time. Once that happens, everyone who itemizes will be pinched, and I would not be surprised to see the "standard deduction" shrunk as well.

There is no free lunch.

Whether that's being a nay-sayer, pragmatist or realist - semantics!

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CABO35.....GREAT post !!!!

I think I am most troubled by the lies !!! Most of what he is doing was predictable, but I never expected that kind of stuff, at least so early in his tenure.

Just heard a discussion this morning that he actually wants to make only 30% of charitable contributions tax deductible which will surely devaste many charities, but then the government can step up and fill the void I suppose !

Yes, many times the liberal slanted folks are most vocal but wanted to post to let you know that there are those of us who think this "marriage" of Obama and a Pelosi, Reid led congress is the "perfect storm" for this time and place !!

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Some say that those that speak out against Obama have no suggestions. He is not honest with us when he says there are no earmarks when there are 9000.
My SUGGESTION is say no to the earmarks. As I have said before, how can you believe anything he says after he says there are no earmarks. After he looks straight at the camera and says there are no earmarks!

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is to be able to voice an opinion regarding words said....promises made...VS actions taken or not taken by the POTUS or any other lawmaker (REGARDLESS OF PARTY/RACE/RELIGION/or what ever).

We all know politicians say one thing to get elected. They do what ever they have to do to remain in office....and sometimes in those processes they deliver on something from the vote for me speeches.....NOT VERY OFTEN.

When one says they are going to CHANGE how we do business in Washington....hires all Washington insiders who know all the reasons why things done the way the are will continue...who ignores the most basic opportunity anybody ever had to show there is sincerity in intent...he could have very easily pontificated....there shalt be no pork (which was promised)....but he did not. This is not bashing it is merely making a true statement. New management does not condone what is being done wrong just because it is expedient...."the bail out bill isn't perfect but get it passed"
.....chock full of pork. He has sent a signal to Congress and boy have the picked up on it. Now a new $400 million spending bill is speeding through, once again loaded with pork and earmarks....PLUS allowing increased spending 2009 over 2008....for many projects that should be struck from the bill because they don't work, or they are losers or they have nothing to do with what the government NEEDS to do to keep operating.

It is business as usual....and when business as usual is not nipped in the early days of office....it ain't going to be....it is business as usual.

Me, I am very particular to what a person says they will do...I have this very bad habit from my operating days....if you say it...I EXPECT IT TO BE DONE.

As a business turn around expert or shut the doors if it is truly not recoverable, I expect results from day one. And I do not abide by the ...but it takes time to _ _ _ _ excuses. Nail the simple ones from day one that telegraph things are going to CHANGE.....Obama passing up that opportunity on pork, earmarks and condoning year on year increases in budgeted spending for undeserving projects.....is deserving of comment. He blew a golden opportunity to make a SIGNIFICANT/SERIOUS CHANGE. In fact has instead condone the same old process. Whether by him or the opposition....when they don't deliver on the words....or the needs....they need to be taken to task....NOW....not later.

Washington is still doing business as usual. We the people are not a page one priority. Politics was and still is.

BTK

It is just too simple to say...no pork and mean it.

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It's amazing to read the posts here compared to what the vast majority of people think. I know where to come to look for everything wrong with the new administration. Even before we even know if their plans will work.

Check out the post-speech poll reported by CNN...

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2009/02/poll_obama_addr.htmlI'd be the first to admit he is a gifter orator.

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I have a wife and two kids. That "stimulus" bill of almost $800 billion and with interest will cost over a TRILLION dollars. It will cost over $3000 per person in America. My share is $12000. That TARP bill was another almost $12000 from my pocket. And that is just the beginning of his spending. He wants to have ME (the government) pay for the banks, and then for the interest payments of those who dont pay their mortgage, and then for their principal if they can't pay. I am a working person. I am not "rich" but I will have to pay that $24000 and MORE. When I get to 62 in 7 years there will be no money left in social security because it has been paying to people who never paid and more to people then they did pay (plus Interest). And if they tax "the rich" to pay for it all, I know the "rich" have the power to just pass it on to peeons like me in the form of higher prices for things my family needs. I have scraped and saved my whole life. I will not be able to retire in the villages as I hope to. Now do you know why we express our opinion what is WRONG with the new administration. And don't tell me he is better than the last one. Bush was a MASSIVE spender in Conservative clothing. We have a right to be mad as h--- and we are not going to take it anymore.A lot of us grew up in the 60's.... remember.... long hair, mistrusted the gov't.... sit ins, protest marches.... tell us when we're 62 there's no $$$$ for soc security and I promise you we'll be back in the streets just like 1968 in Chicago.

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Thanks Bucco....your "perfect storm" analogy is right on the mark.

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I know it's only supposed to fund the government for the balance of the fiscal year, but an overall 8% increase in spending? 8,500 earmarks?

This is not Democrats or Republicans, although I recognize that the Dems are in control. Both parties all were complicit in passing this thing. If President Obama lets this stand without a veto, and if he then cuts his budget proposal by 8% (which I don't think will happen), all that would do is keep government spending even with this year. And this year was the grossly bloated budget approved last year.

I've written the President imploring him to veto this bill. I hope he does, but I'm surely not holding my breath. These people in Congress live in their own world inside the beltway. We need to bring them back "out here" to get a real job!The budget can fly through Senate approval without a single Republican vote.... only requires 51 "yeas".

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You know.....I worked as an Analyst in the Dept. of Treasury in a certain state for 25 yrs. Amazingly, I saw wasteful spending almost daily. I told my husband years ago, the problem with our budgets was just overspending.
If bloated salaries were frozen, non-essential jobs dissolved, reckless spending stopped, reduction of staff thru attrition, etc, etc., so much money could be saved. AND....that's only at the office and dept. levels.
Starting at the local levels and all the way to the Federal level, the corruption, buddy spending and incompetence is just incredible.
What our government is doing now is just ludicrous and becoming more so everyday.
Wasn't it Michele Obama who said..."for the first time I'm proud to be an American"? Well, let's all think about that statement. Life is changing quickly and we all must demand some explanation. The government has somehow forgotten who they work for.
Wouldn't we like all our Pensions protected as they have bailed out AIG to protect their's.

So.........I'm ready for a locan American Tea Party!

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I have been holding off letting my political views known, but now that I am over my 11 posts and no-longer a newbie......
I don't feel that posts about the new Administration are negative, etc. I feel this shows that the residents of TV are VERY well informed and not just agreeing with the padlum the main stream media peddles. They have researched the facts, and that is the funny thing about facts, they tell the TRUTH. If much of this had been put out by the media before the election instead of hidden so they can further their agenda, this administration would not be in power, and yes power is the correct word.
This is anothe of the key reasons that the wife and I decided on TV for our retirement, INFORMED RESIDENTS!!!!

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