Seniors pay twice

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We raised our own kids, sacrificing along the way. Now that we do not have that burden along comes Crooked Hillary telling us we now have to pay for the "Village" to raise someone else's kids. DAY CARE, PRE K AFTER SCHOOL PROGRAMS, AND FREE COLLEGE, all of which we will pay through increased taxes.

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We raised our own kids, sacrificing along the way. Now that we do not have that burden along comes Crooked Hillary telling us we now have to pay for the "Village" to raise someone else's kids. DAY CARE, PRE K AFTER SCHOOL PROGRAMS, AND FREE COLLEGE, all of which we will pay through increased taxes.

Excellent points and of course many many of the kids in question have " Baby Mamas " who have 5 children with 5 different " Baby Daddy`s " some of whom " be in prison " . :crap2:

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Woman with ten sons name Leroy. Call them all for dinner she calls Leroys. Wants just one she calls him by his last name.

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Good friend of mine was doing his residency at the University of Michigan .
A very young teenage mother had just given birth to twins after a lengthy and difficult labor .
Later when she had recovered he stopped in to check on her . There was a dinner tray next to her bed .
He asked her what she was going to name her twin baby boys --- " I got no idea " she giggled .
My friend noticed two different containers of Jello on her tray and just for the fun of it he said " How about " Or-ange-ello " and " Lem-on-gello " and she repeated his tounge-in -cheek offering and said " those be good names that be them" !
AS he said to me at the time " in about 10 years I`m going to be looking for a college football player named " Orange-ello " and a basketball player named " Lemon-gello " to show up some Saturday on my TV screen .

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Obama is about to proceed with waiving government school loans that going to cost taxpayers in the millions and millions. The basis for forgiveness is that these students claim that they could not get a job. A college education use to be solely to teach kids how to think that is education for the sake of education itself.

Personal Best Regards:

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We raised our own kids, sacrificing along the way. Now that we do not have that burden along comes Crooked Hillary telling us we now have to pay for the "Village" to raise someone else's kids. DAY CARE, PRE K AFTER SCHOOL PROGRAMS, AND FREE COLLEGE, all of which we will pay through increased taxes.



The price we pay for being human.

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Obama is about to proceed with waiving government school loans that going to cost taxpayers in the millions and millions. The basis for forgiveness is that these students claim that they could not get a job. A college education use to be solely to teach kids how to think that is education for the sake of education itself.



Personal Best Regards:



I bailed on college to get nuclear training in the Navy. They paid, I made.

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The price we pay for being human.

The price we pay for being a taxpayer!

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Good friend of mine was doing his residency at the University of Michigan .
A very young teenage mother had just given birth to twins after a lengthy and difficult labor .
Later when she had recovered he stopped in to check on her . There was a dinner tray next to her bed .
He asked her what she was going to name her twin baby boys --- " I got no idea " she giggled .
My friend noticed two different containers of Jello on her tray and just for the fun of it he said " How about " Or-ange-ello " and " Lem-on-gello " and she repeated his tounge-in -cheek offering and said " those be good names that be them" !
AS he said to me at the time " in about 10 years I`m going to be looking for a college football player named " Orange-ello " and a basketball player named " Lemon-gello " to show up some Saturday on my TV screen .

It's more likely that you will see them on the evening news.

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Good friend of mine was doing his residency at the University of Michigan .
A very young teenage mother had just given birth to twins after a lengthy and difficult labor .
Later when she had recovered he stopped in to check on her . There was a dinner tray next to her bed .
He asked her what she was going to name her twin baby boys --- " I got no idea " she giggled .
My friend noticed two different containers of Jello on her tray and just for the fun of it he said " How about " Or-ange-ello " and " Lem-on-gello " and she repeated his tounge-in -cheek offering and said " those be good names that be them" !
AS he said to me at the time " in about 10 years I`m going to be looking for a college football player named " Orange-ello " and a basketball player named " Lemon-gello " to show up some Saturday on my TV screen .
Your story has been around for a long time. Nice attempt to personalize it.

You know those twins named Lemonjello and Oranjello? (https://www.babble.com/mom/lemonjello-and-orangello-real-or-racist-urban-baby-naming-myth/)

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Your story has been around for a long time. Nice attempt to personalize it.

You know those twins named Lemonjello and Oranjello? (https://www.babble.com/mom/lemonjello-and-orangello-real-or-racist-urban-baby-naming-myth/)

Actually my friend told me the story probably 20 years ago and up until today I actually believed him !

He is a graduate of Harvard Medical School and did his Fellowship at University of Michigan in pediatric surgery .
Today he is the Chief Medical Officer at a very famous hospital .
I am going to send him an email and " give him the business " .

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Actually my friend told me the story probably 20 years ago and up until today I actually believed him !

He is a graduate of Harvard Medical School and did his Fellowship at University of Michigan in pediatric surgery .
Today he is the Chief Medical Officer at a very famous hospital .
I am going to send him an email and " give him the business " .

Ha ha ! I just followed the link . I`m going to copy it and send it to him right now ----- he`s busted !

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We raised our own kids, sacrificing along the way. Now that we do not have that burden along comes Crooked Hillary telling us we now have to pay for the "Village" to raise someone else's kids. DAY CARE, PRE K AFTER SCHOOL PROGRAMS, AND FREE COLLEGE, all of which we will pay through increased taxes.
Not to worry, without a real balanced budget amendment it will not cost you a cent, just get passed to our grandchildren like last 20 years.

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Not to worry, without a real balanced budget amendment it will not cost you a cent, just get passed to our grandchildren like last 20 years.

Perhaps but dollars are fungible so we cannot make that claim

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Excellent points and of course many many of the kids in question have " Baby Mamas " who have 5 children with 5 different " Baby Daddy`s " some of whom " be in prison " . :crap2:

A minority baby boom is taking place, from age 6 down THEY are the majority...this is our future, a majority of 3rd worlders!

Good friend of mine was doing his residency at the University of Michigan .
A very young teenage mother had just given birth to twins after a lengthy and difficult labor .
Later when she had recovered he stopped in to check on her . There was a dinner tray next to her bed .
He asked her what she was going to name her twin baby boys --- " I got no idea " she giggled .
My friend noticed two different containers of Jello on her tray and just for the fun of it he said " How about " Or-ange-ello " and " Lem-on-gello " and she repeated his tounge-in -cheek offering and said " those be good names that be them" !
AS he said to me at the time " in about 10 years I`m going to be looking for a college football player named " Orange-ello " and a basketball player named " Lemon-gello " to show up some Saturday on my TV screen .

You'll see their names on the news...as another failure. Less than 1% amount to anything.

Obama is about to proceed with waiving government school loans that going to cost taxpayers in the millions and millions. The basis for forgiveness is that these students claim that they could not get a job. A college education use to be solely to teach kids how to think that is education for the sake of education itself.

Personal Best Regards:

You're not even CLOSE! There are $trillions in student loans, these defaults will cost $billions and $billions.

They suckered minorities to take the easy money for school. They weren't capable even with quotas, and dropped out, unable to get a job, they can't pay.

The price we pay for being human.

The price we pay for trying to drag non-humans along with us.

Not to worry, without a real balanced budget amendment it will not cost you a cent, just get passed to our grandchildren like last 20 years.

Yup, they'll be borrowing over $2 trillion a year soon.

And you wonder why interest rates are so low...so the government can make their "minimum payment" of over $600,000,000,000 a year.

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Oh, how about that Medicare program...just how much does that cost? Trillions. With all the numerous prescriptions, unneeded tests, not to mention nursing home care, that some have given their assets to family so the government, taxpayer can pick up the tab.

I think that they should kill everyone over 65, problem solved.

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Oh, how about that Medicare program...just how much does that cost? Trillions. With all the numerous prescriptions, unneeded tests, not to mention nursing home care, that some have given their assets to family so the government, taxpayer can pick up the tab.

I think that they should kill everyone over 65, problem solved.

When you reach the age of 65, you can always step in front of a moving bus - problem solved.

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Oh, how about that Medicare program...just how much does that cost? Trillions. With all the numerous prescriptions, unneeded tests, not to mention nursing home care, that some have given their assets to family so the government, taxpayer can pick up the tab.

I think that they should kill everyone over 65, problem solved.

It is obvious that you know NOTHING of Medicare. Medicare that you pay for all your working life, pays ONLY for hospitalization. Not doctor visits, and not prescriptions. So, if you are like me that has private insurance that pays everything, you really do not need Medicare. So, how much have I wasted being taxed for Medicare?

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We raised our own kids, sacrificing along the way. Now that we do not have that burden along comes Crooked Hillary telling us we now have to pay for the "Village" to raise someone else's kids. DAY CARE, PRE K AFTER SCHOOL PROGRAMS, AND FREE COLLEGE, all of which we will pay through increased taxes.

You are kidding with this "we" statement. The tax increase that she is putting forward only effects the super rich. If you are one, what are you doing living in the villages? You should have ocean front property in a million dollar + home. Then, you could sit there with your rich crowd, and bitch about how hard things are for you.

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We now live on country that's giving everything away for votes. There no stopping it. You can't compete with free and open borders. All for the democrat to have TOTAL control.

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We now live on country that's giving everything away for votes. There no stopping it. You can't compete with free and open borders. All for the democrat to have TOTAL control.That's not true.

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That's not true.

Oh my, you must get your head out of your @ss,
because it is very true!

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You are kidding with this "we" statement. The tax increase that she is putting forward only effects the super rich. If you are one, what are you doing living in the villages? You should have ocean front property in a million dollar + home. Then, you could sit there with your rich crowd, and bitch about how hard things are for you.

It is not possible to fund all the increased
government programs simply by taxing the
so-called super rich, everyone knows this but you!
Haven't you caught on that Hillary is a liar!

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Oh my, you must get your head out of your @ss,
because it is very true!What we know about illegal immigration from Mexico | Pew Research Center (http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/20/what-we-know-about-illegal-immigration-from-mexico/)

Do you ever do any reading?

The head and the ass thing. Are you joking or being sarcastic? It's hard to tell anymore.

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We now live on country that's giving everything away for votes. There no stopping it. You can't compete with free and open borders. All for the democrat to have TOTAL control.
You are 100% correct with your comment that the country is giving everything away for votes. I'm not completely on board with borders but understand. You are also correct "you can't compete with free".

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It is not possible to fund all the increased
government programs simply by taxing the
so-called super rich, everyone knows this but you!
Haven't you caught on that Hillary is a liar!

Maybe you should go back and look at his post. He was crying that his taxes were going to go up to pay for Hillary's programs. That is not the case.

Maybe you haven't caught all politicians forever have been lying. It is the nature of the beast. "Lying" maybe be a too strong a word, but probably not. They present numbers to back up their proposals that always can be questioned. They make assumption to suit their needs.

Hillary's programs have been look at by independent group. Her proposals increase the debt under 500 billion over ten years. Trump proposals will increase the debt 7 to 9 trillion over ten years. Don't worry Trump will revise his proposals, and say he was just kidding with the first proposals. He had to get everyone's attention.

Rule one in politics say anything or do anything to get elected. Then run for reelection on your record. Lying certainly falls into the anything category.

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We now live on country that's giving everything away for votes. There no stopping it. You can't compete with free and open borders. All for the democrat to have TOTAL control.

You know a better way for the Democrats to get TOTAL control. It is for the Republicans to have Trump as the nominee. Democrats will hope for an encore performance with Cruz in 2020.

The Democrats are not going to gain control of the house until 2020's. That will only happen if they do something about Gerrymandering.

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What we know about illegal immigration from Mexico | Pew Research Center (http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/20/what-we-know-about-illegal-immigration-from-mexico/)

Do you ever do any reading?

The head and the ass thing. Are you joking or being sarcastic? It's hard to tell anymore.
The average person is so brainwashed by the Clinton media machine. Let me make it simple, media works for Clinton, Clinton works for media, they are one and the same. The institutions all work together for each, against change, against trump.

The pew research group has given to the Clinton foundation and has gotten favors for the secretary of state. Do your own research, here is a start....181 Clinton Foundation donors who lobbied Hillary's State Department - Vox (http://www.vox.com/2015/4/28/8501643/Clinton-foundation-donors-State)

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You are kidding with this "we" statement. The tax increase that she is putting forward only effects the super rich. If you are one, what are you doing living in the villages? You should have ocean front property in a million dollar + home. Then, you could sit there with your rich crowd, and bitch about how hard things are for you.

Have you looked at her tax plan? Actually My Villages home is just one of many. I have beach properties as well. I bought here because I like it here. It has zero to do with my net worth. I do not bitch about my success, I celebrate it and thank God every day every day and I share it with others. I do not need the Government to redistribute it for me. I saw what happened to the trillion in Stimulus which never made it to the shovel ready projects so Hollary is trying it again. I see from your comments that you are fooled again.

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*from the secretary of state

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Have you looked at her tax plan? Actually My Villages home is just one of many. I have beach properties as well. I bought here because I like it here. It has zero to do with my net worth. I do not bitch about my success, I celebrate it and thank God every day every day and I share it with others. I do not need the Government to redistribute it for me. I saw what happened to the trillion in Stimulus which never made it to the shovel ready projects so Hollary is trying it again. I see from your comments that you are fooled again.We are honored to be in your company.

The top 0.1 percent was composed of 160,000 families with average wealth of $72.8 million. All told, they owned 22 percent of the nation’s wealth.

Meanwhile, the bottom 90 percent -- 144 million families with average wealth of $84,000 -- owned only 22.8 percent of the wealth.

Where did the middle class go? The old ones, boomers went to the villages.

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Maybe you should go back and look at his post. He was crying that his taxes were going to go up to pay for Hillary's programs. That is not the case.

Maybe you haven't caught all politicians forever have been lying. It is the nature of the beast. "Lying" maybe be a too strong a word, but probably not. They present numbers to back up their proposals that always can be questioned. They make assumption to suit their needs.

Hillary's programs have been look at by independent group. Her proposals increase the debt under 500 billion over ten years. Trump proposals will increase the debt 7 to 9 trillion over ten years. Don't worry Trump will revise his proposals, and say he was just kidding with the first proposals. He had to get everyone's attention.

Rule one in politics say anything or do anything to get elected. Then run for reelection on your record. Lying certainly falls into the anything category.


Maybe you should look at my original post and stop distorting it. Hillary will make all of us pay again for things we already paid for raising and educating our own families.

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We are honored to be in your company.

The top 0.1 percent was composed of 160,000 families with average wealth of $72.8 million. All told, they owned 22 percent of the nation’s wealth.

Meanwhile, the bottom 90 percent -- 144 million families with average wealth of $84,000 -- owned only 22.8 percent of the wealth.

Where did the middle class go? The old ones, boomers went to the villages.

Maybe this will answer part of it.


Workers have not seen increases in wages in the last 20 years which coincides somewhat what the creation of The Village raising your child. The reality is that we pushed married women into the workforce at an alarming rate and employers took full of advantage of this. The concept of supply and demand works 100% of the time so the more workers the lower the salaries. As costs began to rise out pacing wages, the mantra became that we need two people to carry the load which in essence was an accurate statement. However had not two members of the family been working, there would've been fewer workers and higher salaries, perhaps as much as 50% higher. Add this It is to lower tax brackets and lower taxes and no need for expensive childcare etc. and we would have been better off in the system that worked for a hundred years where one family member stayed home to raise the family and not be put in the Village Day Care where you drop your kids off to be handled ( not nurtured) by some of the lowest paid workers in Society where turnover rates are horrific.

Women's liberation has been a disaster for our country and the financial effects are still being felt. You notice the word Liberation is no longer used since no one was liberated while kids are in prison like Day Care away from their mothers.

Supporters of Women's Liberation were saying they wanted equal rights not special rights however they are continually demanding special rights such as the cost of raising children (FREE PRE K, DAY CARE, AFTER SCHOOL, ETC.)has been transferred to all taxpayers especially seniors, instead of remaining with the family.

How ironic is it that the only mothers you see taking care of their children are those immigrant women who are having loads of kids supported by government largess while The modern woman is limiting the number of children she has and at the age of three months turns them over to someone else to race.

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Maybe this will answer part of it.


Workers have not seen increases in wages in the last 20 years which coincides somewhat what the creation of The Village raising your child. The reality is that we pushed married women into the workforce at an alarming rate and employers took full of advantage of this. The concept of supply and demand works 100% of the time so the more workers the lower the salaries. As costs began to rise out pacing wages, the mantra became that we need two people to carry the load which in essence was an accurate statement. However had not two members of the family been working, there would've been fewer workers and higher salaries, perhaps as much as 50% higher. Add this It is to lower tax brackets and lower taxes and no need for expensive childcare etc. and we would have been better off in the system that worked for a hundred years where one family member stayed home to raise the family and not be put in the Village Day Care where you drop your kids off to be handled ( not nurtured) by some of the lowest paid workers in Society where turnover rates are horrific.

Women's liberation has been a disaster for our country and the financial effects are still being felt. You notice the word Liberation is no longer used since no one was liberated while kids are in prison like Day Care away from their mothers.

Supporters of Women's Liberation were saying they wanted equal rights not special rights however they are continually demanding special rights such as the cost of raising children (FREE PRE K, DAY CARE, AFTER SCHOOL, ETC.)has been transferred to all taxpayers especially seniors, instead of remaining with the family.

How ironic is it that the only mothers you see taking care of their children are those immigrant women who are having loads of kids supported by government largess while The modern woman is limiting the number of children she has and at the age of three months turns them over to someone else to race.

Your head is stuck where the sun don't shine. Keep it there.

Uncle Junior

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What we know about illegal immigration from Mexico | Pew Research Center (http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/20/what-we-know-about-illegal-immigration-from-mexico/)

Do you ever do any reading?

The head and the ass thing. Are you joking or being sarcastic? It's hard to tell anymore.

That's about the biggest bull**** I've ever read. So, drops few hundred thousand, STILL millions hopping the border. And guess what parties they will evidently vote for? the pandering party for votes. DEMORATS.

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We now live on country that's giving everything away for votes. There no stopping it. You can't compete with free and open borders. All for the democrat to have TOTAL control.

From age 6 down...minorities are the majority

What we know about illegal immigration from Mexico | Pew Research Center (http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/20/what-we-know-about-illegal-immigration-from-mexico/)

Do you ever do any reading?

The head and the ass thing. Are you joking or being sarcastic? It's hard to tell anymore.

Hispanics are the MAJORITY from age 6 down.

Maybe this will answer part of it.


Workers have not seen increases in wages in the last 20 years which coincides somewhat what the creation of The Village raising your child. The reality is that we pushed married women into the workforce at an alarming rate and employers took full of advantage of this. The concept of supply and demand works 100% of the time so the more workers the lower the salaries. As costs began to rise out pacing wages, the mantra became that we need two people to carry the load which in essence was an accurate statement. However had not two members of the family been working, there would've been fewer workers and higher salaries, perhaps as much as 50% higher. Add this It is to lower tax brackets and lower taxes and no need for expensive childcare etc. and we would have been better off in the system that worked for a hundred years where one family member stayed home to raise the family and not be put in the Village Day Care where you drop your kids off to be handled ( not nurtured) by some of the lowest paid workers in Society where turnover rates are horrific.

Women's liberation has been a disaster for our country and the financial effects are still being felt. You notice the word Liberation is no longer used since no one was liberated while kids are in prison like Day Care away from their mothers.

Supporters of Women's Liberation were saying they wanted equal rights not special rights however they are continually demanding special rights such as the cost of raising children (FREE PRE K, DAY CARE, AFTER SCHOOL, ETC.)has been transferred to all taxpayers especially seniors, instead of remaining with the family.

How ironic is it that the only mothers you see taking care of their children are those immigrant women who are having loads of kids supported by government largess while The modern woman is limiting the number of children she has and at the age of three months turns them over to someone else to race.

Yup, a 3rd world loser is RAISING our children!

Yes, it has been a DISASTER...nothing is BETTER now compared to then.

They want their cake AND eat it too. They want "wquality" and also keep their "feminine perks".

Immigrants, 3rd worlders are raising, teaching our kids.


That's about the biggest bull**** I've ever read. So, drops few hundred thousand, STILL millions hopping the border. And guess what parties they will evidently vote for? the pandering party for votes. DEMORATS.

They're breeding us out!

Thay keep harping on "illegals" that are here. They don't mention the millions and millions of anchor babies that are "citizens". We're being invaded, below age 6 THEY are the MAJORITY.

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That's about the biggest bull**** I've ever read. So, drops few hundred thousand, STILL millions hopping the border. And guess what parties they will evidently vote for? the pandering party for votes. DEMORATS.So, is your sky falling? You don't feel safe?

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So, is your sky falling? You don't feel safe?

It is...hispanics are the MAJORITY from age 6 down.

Not outside the bubble...the country is becoming "seedy" as minorities become the majority.

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Obama is about to proceed with waiving government school loans that going to cost taxpayers in the millions and millions. The basis for forgiveness is that these students claim that they could not get a job. A college education use to be solely to teach kids how to think that is education for the sake of education itself.

Personal Best Regards:

Yes, but you love trump giving the 1% a big tax break. Who do you think is going to pay for it, it's you. Oh, trickle down will do it LOL ask Kansas about that.

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We are a Nation heading full tilt toward perpetual single party rule . Same as in other totalitarian states .

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Maybe you should look at my original post and stop distorting it. Hillary will make all of us pay again for things we already paid for raising and educating our own families.

I did look at your original post. It said, "All of which we will pay through increased taxes." We-increased taxes. She is funding her proposals through increased taxes on the rich. Not us.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/13/upshot/how-hillary-clinton-and-donald-trump-differ-on-taxes.html?_r=0

Both tax plans are there. Take a look at the income level that the tax rate will increase. Why do you think that your taxes are going to increase? Why do you think services provided to seniors will be reduced? If I missing something point it out?

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I did look at your original post. It said, "All of which we will pay through increased taxes." We-increased taxes. She is funding her proposals through increased taxes on the rich. Not us.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/13/upshot/how-hillary-clinton-and-donald-trump-differ-on-taxes.html?_r=0

Both tax plans are there. Take a look at the income level that the tax rate will increase. Why do you think that your taxes are going to increase? Why do you think services provided to seniors will be reduced? If I missing something point it out?

You are missing the whole point. Most of us worked a lifetime to provide for our families, NOT for somebody else's. THEY should provide for themselves. If they need something basic to survive--food, shelter, medicine--I'm happy to help. But large screen TVs, cell phones, filet mignon, pick up trucks and college are NOT necessities to survive. What is necessary is for them to get off their butts and WORK for what they want.

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I did look at your original post. It said, "All of which we will pay through increased taxes." We-increased taxes. She is funding her proposals through increased taxes on the rich. Not us.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/13/upshot/how-hillary-clinton-and-donald-trump-differ-on-taxes.html?_r=0

Both tax plans are there. Take a look at the income level that the tax rate will increase. Why do you think that your taxes are going to increase? Why do you think services provided to seniors will be reduced? If I missing something point it out?

Tax dollars are fungible, there are no separate drawers. You don't get to say how your tax dollars are spent. It all goes into one big pot. To say the rich will pay and you won't is a big corrupt gimmick designed to fool the low information democrat voters. It seems to be working from your responses. Wupith the Fed at clise to zero interest rates, the onky tool left is fiscal policy and if we are going to use our tax dollars for "free" stuff and forgive student loans our economy will not be able to take it. So go ahead and vote for Hillary.

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You are missing the whole point. Most of us worked a lifetime to provide for our families, NOT for somebody else's. THEY should provide for themselves. If they need something basic to survive--food, shelter, medicine--I'm happy to help. But large screen TVs, cell phones, filet mignon, pick up trucks and college are NOT necessities to survive. What is necessary is for them to get off their butts and WORK for what they want.

Hillary's tax is just more of the same almost a carbon copy of Obamas which produced practically no growth in the economy. iin order to get this economy rolling again we need at least 4% growth which will double Waziers every 14 years. Corporate taxes will be cut to allow us to compete with the tax rates offered by European and Asian companies. The best part of his plan is to repatriate up to a trillion dollars held overseas accounts and bring it back to United States requiring at least 10% of that money to be used to expand plants,factories and equipment to create jobs. This is a Huge incentive. Hillary's plan for corporation she is largely punitive and will not create any jobs or any growth.

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Hillary's tax is just more of the same almost a carbon copy of Obamas which produced practically no growth in the economy. iin order to get this economy rolling again we need at least 4% growth which will double Wages every 14 years. Corporate taxes will be cut to allow us to compete with the tax rates offered by European and Asian companies. The best part of his plan is to repatriate up to a trillion dollars held overseas accounts and bring it back to United States requiring at least 10% of that money to be used to expand plants,factories and equipment to create jobs. This is a Huge incentive. Hillary's plan for corporation she is largely punitive and will not create any jobs or any growth.

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We are a Nation heading full tilt toward perpetual single party rule . Same as in other totalitarian states .

We already are "ruled" by one group. The
two party system" is a ruse.

You are missing the whole point. Most of us worked a lifetime to provide for our families, NOT for somebody else's. THEY should provide for themselves. If they need something basic to survive--food, shelter, medicine--I'm happy to help. But large screen TVs, cell phones, filet mignon, pick up trucks and college are NOT necessities to survive. What is necessary is for them to get off their butts and WORK for what they want.

That's just it...they CAN'T...they're incapable. That's why I'd rather see them...gone. We throw good money after bad. It's a waste of time, they'll NEVER be equal.

For how long? Their whole lives? Their children's whole lives? Welfare should be temporary, not a "career". An entire "race" lives off our generosity. They'd be LOST without us, and they want MORE?

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You are missing the whole point. Most of us worked a lifetime to provide for our families, NOT for somebody else's. THEY should provide for themselves. If they need something basic to survive--food, shelter, medicine--I'm happy to help. But large screen TVs, cell phones, filet mignon, pick up trucks and college are NOT necessities to survive. What is necessary is for them to get off their butts and WORK for what they want.

I am not missing anything. It seems that most of the responses are completely ignoring the welfare reforms that happened under Clinton.
Social programs in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_programs_in_the_United_States)

The programs that you mentioned we didn't need. Daycare, Pre K. Our wives stayed home and brought up our children. You didn't need two incomes to survive. Houses were affordable. State College tuition were next to nothing. Times have changed, and maybe our thinking should too.

Read the article. Welfare reform helped the lower class people. However, these families do need help, and they are getting it. This help doesn't make them totally dependent. Why paint the actions of a few on an entire group people? That is what is being done make no mistake about that.

Whether Trump is doing it or not, he is pitting the races against each other. Is someone going to look at his supporters, and say that he isn't?

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Hillary's tax is just more of the same almost a carbon copy of Obamas which produced practically no growth in the economy. iin order to get this economy rolling again we need at least 4% growth which will double Waziers every 14 years. Corporate taxes will be cut to allow us to compete with the tax rates offered by European and Asian companies. The best part of his plan is to repatriate up to a trillion dollars held overseas accounts and bring it back to United States requiring at least 10% of that money to be used to expand plants,factories and equipment to create jobs. This is a Huge incentive. Hillary's plan for corporation she is largely punitive and will not create any jobs or any growth.

The problem with his plan is gives the impression that taxes are the driving factor for moving factories overseas. What about wages? How do you completely ignore that? The difference in wages isn't chump change.

The second problem is high income people will incorporate themselves. Their tax rate will go from his proposed 33% to 15%, and they will get to deduct expense that they won't be able to as private citizens.

The economic plans being offered by the candidates are really the devil that you against the devil you don't know. It is a roll of the dice. How lucky do you feel.. Sucker. Did I fire six shots or only five? Six we survive, or five we are history.

Trump plan could help, and it relying on big business to do the right thing. Given their current practices, why does anybody think that that is a given?

Is his plan to let trillions come back in tax free? Why not tax them at 10%, and use tat money to repair intra structure? He has talked about intra structure, but has never has said how he is going to pay for it.

Economist on both sides of his plan have their opinions. The answer isn't a given, and someone will have I told you so.

[Guest]

I am not missing anything. It seems that most of the responses are completely ignoring the welfare reforms that happened under Clinton.
Social programs in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_programs_in_the_United_States)

The programs that you mentioned we didn't need. Daycare, Pre K. Our wives stayed home and brought up our children. You didn't need two incomes to survive. Houses were affordable. State College tuition were next to nothing. Times have changed, and maybe our thinking should too.

Read the article. Welfare reform helped the lower class people. However, these families do need help, and they are getting it. This help doesn't make them totally dependent. Why paint the actions of a few on an entire group people? That is what is being done make no mistake about that.

Whether Trump is doing it or not, he is pitting the races against each other. Is someone going to look at his supporters, and say that he isn't?

The "welfare reforms" were just more of Bill's accounting tricks like "balancing the budget" by stealing from the SS "trustfund". It shifted money from the mother to the children. The child under 18 is ALWAYS eligible for welfare. That's why they space out pumping them out. Every 15 years, wham, another "asset". Another 18 years of free housing...etc.

You see this as a white person, you see the poor soul who was devastated by something and needed temporary help...an otherwise upstanding citizen in short term dire straits. This is a SMALL percentage of those who receive welfare. Welfare offices are filled 90% with minority women. We're paying them to breed us out of our own country.

The problem with his plan is gives the impression that taxes are the driving factor for moving factories overseas. What about wages? How do you completely ignore that? The difference in wages isn't chump change.

The second problem is high income people will incorporate themselves. Their tax rate will go from his proposed 33% to 15%, and they will get to deduct expense that they won't be able to as private citizens.

The economic plans being offered by the candidates are really the devil that you against the devil you don't know. It is a roll of the dice. How lucky do you feel.. Sucker. Did I fire six shots or only five? Six we survive, or five we are history.

Trump plan could help, and it relying on big business to do the right thing. Given their current practices, why does anybody think that that is a given?

Is his plan to let trillions come back in tax free? Why not tax them at 10%, and use tat money to repair intra structure? He has talked about intra structure, but has never has said how he is going to pay for it.

Economist on both sides of his plan have their opinions. The answer isn't a given, and someone will have I told you so.

Big business is what put us where we are now. Screwed. THEY make the laws. Their Congressional lackeys just make it official.

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The "welfare reforms" were just more of Bill's accounting tricks like "balancing the budget" by stealing from the SS "trustfund". It shifted money from the mother to the children. The child under 18 is ALWAYS eligible for welfare. That's why they space out pumping them out. Every 15 years, wham, another "asset". Another 18 years of free housing...etc.

You see this as a white person, you see the poor soul who was devastated by something and needed temporary help...an otherwise upstanding citizen in short term dire straits. This is a SMALL percentage of those who receive welfare. Welfare offices are filled 90% with minority women. We're paying them to breed us out of our own country.



Big business is what put us where we are now. Screwed. THEY make the laws. Their Congressional lackeys just make it official.

NO! Big business gave us this great standard of living. Politicians are the ones that screwed us. Big business pays the majority of taxes that run this country, so don't blame them for how frivolously politicians squander it away. And politicians do not have to be influenced by the rich. Don't vote for them if they are corrupt. By the way, Hillary is a puppet for George Soros. Google him and you will see what he has done to other countries.

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NO! Big business gave us this great standard of living. Politicians are the ones that screwed us. Big business pays the majority of taxes that run this country, so don't blame them for how frivolously politicians squander it away. And politicians do not have to be influenced by the rich. Don't vote for them if they are corrupt. By the way, Hillary is a puppet for George Soros. Google him and you will see what he has done to other countries.

No...FREEDOM gave us a great standard of living.

Politicians/government are the middle man between the people and the corporations. They pass the laws and make regulations that are favorable to the corporations. It's why a law can be 3000 pages, it's filled with "goodies" that go to the corporations.

Politicians screw us to the benefit of...themselves of course...and the CORPORATIONS who "hired" them...by giving them money to get elected. The corporations support all the D and R candidates so they'll get their way irregardless of who gets elected.

I don't vote for any D or R.

Hillary is a puppet for a LOT of people/corporations.

You're getting there...you're close to figuring out how deep the rabbit hole of corruption really is.

EVERYTHING the government does, someone profits off it. "Food stamps" ACTUALLY goes indirectly to the food manufacturers as the recipients buy their products with the money they receive. Grocery stores like WalMart profit from increased sales due to the poor having more food money. JP Morgan bank runs the EBT SNAP card (food stamp) program and makes a profit running it.

It's all interconnected thievery.

[Guest]

Time for new blood in the White House. Another 8 years of Obama will destroy this Country.

[Guest]

NO! Big business gave us this great standard of living. Politicians are the ones that screwed us. Big business pays the majority of taxes that run this country, so don't blame them for how frivolously politicians squander it away. And politicians do not have to be influenced by the rich. Don't vote for them if they are corrupt. By the way, Hillary is a puppet for George Soros. Google him and you will see what he has done to other countries.

Talk about Google. Before you make statements of facts that are just plain wrong, Google the statement.
Federal Revenue: Where Does the Money Come From (https://www.nationalpriorities.org/budget-basics/federal-budget-101/revenues/)



These 26 Companies Pay No Federal Income Tax (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/25/corporation-tax-rate_n_4855763.html)

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We raised our own kids, sacrificing along the way. Now that we do not have that burden along comes Crooked Hillary telling us we now have to pay for the "Village" to raise someone else's kids. DAY CARE, PRE K AFTER SCHOOL PROGRAMS, AND FREE COLLEGE, all of which we will pay through increased taxes.

As I look back. My father was a wounded WWII combat vet.
My sister was born just four years after my father left combat and I was born 18 months later. We lived in a city housing project. Two bedrooms two kids and my parents.
MY FATHER WORKED. MY PARENTS WERE MARRIED. ONE WAS A MAN AND ONE WAS A WOMAN. I was 6-7 till we got our first TV. I was 13 before we got our first car.
I was taught YOU WORK FOR WHAT YOU NEED OR WANT.
I worked hard, I saved hard and we can comfortably live in the villages. We are living on stock dividends. THAT MONEY IS THE RESULT OF MONEY WE SAVED AND WE HAVE PAID TAXES ON. The year before, my top tax rate was 33% and last year 28%-I AM PAYING TAX ON ALREADY TAXED MONEY.

Back to WE should pay their college loans. I first got a degree from a two year school, I worked a 40 hour a week job and went to college at night. I went on to get a 4 year degree which I PAID FOR out of what I had saved, what my parents paid and 13,000 worth of loans. TO ADJUST THAT TO TODAYS DOLLARS that is roughly 78.000.
I borrowed the money. I worked two jobs AND I PAID IT OFF.

NOW THAT BITCH HILLARY THINKS SHE SHOULD FURTHER EXPAND GOVERNMENT, STEAL FROM ME AND BUY VOTES FOR THE DAMNOCRATES.

[Guest]

Time for new blood in the White House. Another 8 years of Obama will destroy this Country.

Totally correct.

[Guest]

Talk about Google. Before you make statements of facts that are just plain wrong, Google the statement.
Federal Revenue: Where Does the Money Come From (https://www.nationalpriorities.org/budget-basics/federal-budget-101/revenues/)



These 26 Companies Pay No Federal Income Tax (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/25/corporation-tax-rate_n_4855763.html)

It has always been WE ALL WANT BUT NO ONE WANTS TO PAY.
From that comes-the tax breaks I get are fair. The ones you get are not.
First of all, our tax code is 86,000 pages. I think, I expect we all agree THAT IS INSANE. There is a paragraph called the STARBUCKS SECTION that makes Starbucks a manufacturer with appropriate tax breaks-BECAUSE THEY ROAST COFFEE. IT IS SIMPLY INSANE. Under OBAMA half of americans pay not tax-according to the way I think they should have some skin in the game before they have the right to vote and tell those who do pay taxes how to spend their money.
I did not get any of them having been self employed so I expect I think differently than many people do. Your business funded RETIREMENT PLAN, 401k, 403B, pension, medical care, etc WAS TAX FREE INCOME. Even social security. If, you worked for an employer, what ever you paid into this system your employer paid the same TAX FREE, for you. I PAID 13% OF MY GROSS TO SOCIAL SECURITY.
As to CORPORATIONS THAT PAY NO TAX. Realize a CORPORATION is not a human being IT IS SIMPLY PAPERWORK. The PROFIT is distributed to the owners-THE SHARE HOLDERS-in the form of dividends AND THE DIVIDENDS ARE TAXABLE.
Oh, I have no pension. I am living on dividends from stocks purchased with money I HAVE PAID INCOME TAX ON. I still pay TAX on the dividends I receive on money I ALREADY PAID INCOME TAX ON.
SO WHAT DO YOU THINK IS UNFAIR? Oh and if you have a retirement plan, an annuity, etc etc etc YOU TOO ARE AN EVIL CORPORATE OWNER.

[Guest]

Talk about Google. Before you make statements of facts that are just plain wrong, Google the statement.
Federal Revenue: Where Does the Money Come From (https://www.nationalpriorities.org/budget-basics/federal-budget-101/revenues/)



These 26 Companies Pay No Federal Income Tax (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/25/corporation-tax-rate_n_4855763.html)

Ah, but you refuse to admit how much the wealthy pay. If not for big business, we would not have the great standard of living. I won't call you names for being ignorant. Being uninformed is a moral crime though (IMO). I've lived all over the world and I have yet to see a socialist country where the middle class AND the lower class live as well as they do here. Our lower class and even poverty class families live as well as the middle class in many other countries. You can even bring up all the stats you wish, but the point is, how many other countries have their lower class living in A/C homes with Internet, cell phones and cable TV? I've been in middle class homes, where the norm would be a room A/C, dial up Internet and only one TV per home.

Wealth envy is very unbecoming, and Americans deserve Hillary so that some day soon they will understand what they had and what they gave up to further a political agenda. The rich will ALWAYS be rich, but the middle class will be the first to suffer from politics. You can tax the rich all you want but it ain't gonna pay down the national debt and even though the poor may see some of the benefits, the middle class standard of living will continue to suffer. Eventually, once the liberals get there way we will only have two classes, where the rich continue to prosper and the middle class blend in with the lower class. There will not be a middle class.

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It has always been WE ALL WANT BUT NO ONE WANTS TO PAY.
From that comes-the tax breaks I get are fair. The ones you get are not.
First of all, our tax code is 86,000 pages. I think, I expect we all agree THAT IS INSANE. There is a paragraph called the STARBUCKS SECTION that makes Starbucks a manufacturer with appropriate tax breaks-BECAUSE THEY ROAST COFFEE. IT IS SIMPLY INSANE. Under OBAMA half of americans pay not tax-according to the way I think they should have some skin in the game before they have the right to vote and tell those who do pay taxes how to spend their money.
I did not get any of them having been self employed so I expect I think differently than many people do. Your business funded RETIREMENT PLAN, 401k, 403B, pension, medical care, etc WAS TAX FREE INCOME. Even social security. If, you worked for an employer, what ever you paid into this system your employer paid the same TAX FREE, for you. I PAID 13% OF MY GROSS TO SOCIAL SECURITY.
As to CORPORATIONS THAT PAY NO TAX. Realize a CORPORATION is not a human being IT IS SIMPLY PAPERWORK. The PROFIT is distributed to the owners-THE SHARE HOLDERS-in the form of dividends AND THE DIVIDENDS ARE TAXABLE.
Oh, I have no pension. I am living on dividends from stocks purchased with money I HAVE PAID INCOME TAX ON. I still pay TAX on the dividends I receive on money I ALREADY PAID INCOME TAX ON.
SO WHAT DO YOU THINK IS UNFAIR? Oh and if you have a retirement plan, an annuity, etc etc etc YOU TOO ARE AN EVIL CORPORATE OWNER.

That's why the corporations pay no taxes. "Their" politician made sure breaks for them were included.

Their "skin in the game" is their welfare check. With all benefits combines, a single mother can receive the equivalent of $60,000 a year.

I'm all for only those with a net positive income and property owners get to vote. You pay no taxes, no vote. And paying sales tax when using welfare money doesn't count as "paying taxes". If you don't like that idea, get a job.

A corporation IS A PERSON. The corrupt SCOTUS said so.

I think paying generations of minority leeches is unfair.

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That's why the corporations pay no taxes. "Their" politician made sure breaks for them were included.

Their "skin in the game" is their welfare check. With all benefits combines, a single mother can receive the equivalent of $60,000 a year.

I'm all for only those with a net positive income and property owners get to vote. You pay no taxes, no vote. And paying sales tax when using welfare money doesn't count as "paying taxes". If you don't like that idea, get a job.

A corporation IS A PERSON. The corrupt SCOTUS said so.

I think paying generations of minority leeches is unfair.

Corporations do get breaks. They also pay the majority of the taxes that run this country. Live with it.

Cut back on free loading and put those folks to work and make everyone pay taxes. Then you will see a great America again.

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Corporations do get breaks. They also pay the majority of the taxes that run this country. Live with it.

Cut back on free loading and put those folks to work and make everyone pay taxes. Then you will see a great America again.

Well then...lets DO IT! Cut off welfare Jan 1st. You don't work in the garden, you don't eat.

Of course corporations pay taxes but they also get to write off deductions which add up fast. They pay no "income tax" on profit.

We all pay 50% or more in taxes for just about everything we buy. Think about it. The mine it taxed with property tax, the ore is taxed when the smelter buys it, the iron is taxed when it goes to the fabricator who adds tax again when his finished product is used to make some consumer product that is taxed again when sold to the public. Every step of a products manufacture is taxed in some way. The raw materials may not be taxed, the machinery not taxed, but there ARE taxes paid.

[Guest]

Ah, but you refuse to admit how much the wealthy pay. If not for big business, we would not have the great standard of living. I won't call you names for being ignorant. Being uninformed is a moral crime though (IMO). I've lived all over the world and I have yet to see a socialist country where the middle class AND the lower class live as well as they do here. Our lower class and even poverty class families live as well as the middle class in many other countries. You can even bring up all the stats you wish, but the point is, how many other countries have their lower class living in A/C homes with Internet, cell phones and cable TV? I've been in middle class homes, where the norm would be a room A/C, dial up Internet and only one TV per home.

Wealth envy is very unbecoming, and Americans deserve Hillary so that some day soon they will understand what they had and what they gave up to further a political agenda. The rich will ALWAYS be rich, but the middle class will be the first to suffer from politics. You can tax the rich all you want but it ain't gonna pay down the national debt and even though the poor may see some of the benefits, the middle class standard of living will continue to suffer. Eventually, once the liberals get there way we will only have two classes, where the rich continue to prosper and the middle class blend in with the lower class. There will not be a middle class.

And I won't call you names for being a fool. Before you attack someone, why don't take the time to see what that person was responding? The person that was responding to said corporation pay more than ordinary citizens. They don't. Who the hell mentioned the wealthy?

So, our standard of living the best, if not the best, in the entire world. So, why do we have to "Make American Great Again"? Has it slipped? Sure! Material items are the way you judge standard of living? How about being happy! If you have a lot of play toys, and if you aren't happy, what good are they? How do we compare with other countries concerning suicide, and murder rates?

If Trump wins, and his tax agenda becomes law, what happens if GDP doesn't double? His program is a roll of the dice. Now, you have pushed the middle class in with the poor, and you did it in one big hurry.

Hillary doesn't attack the middle class. Where does that comment that she is come from the seat of your pants? I think that left something overseas.

I am a moderate Republican. Just because the far right has gone off the grid, doesn't mean the middle has moved. Hillary will work with Republicans to get thing done. Slow and steady is better than quick and foolish. Man, do I hate defending Hillary. I hope, if elected, she is impeached in one big hurry. The Republicans have been attacking her for 30 years. It will only get worse, if she elected. Nine Benghazi hearings. With the emails, and foundation, I am sure they will be to top that.

Trump is a disaster waiting to happen.

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It has always been WE ALL WANT BUT NO ONE WANTS TO PAY.
From that comes-the tax breaks I get are fair. The ones you get are not.
First of all, our tax code is 86,000 pages. I think, I expect we all agree THAT IS INSANE. There is a paragraph called the STARBUCKS SECTION that makes Starbucks a manufacturer with appropriate tax breaks-BECAUSE THEY ROAST COFFEE. IT IS SIMPLY INSANE. Under OBAMA half of americans pay not tax-according to the way I think they should have some skin in the game before they have the right to vote and tell those who do pay taxes how to spend their money.
I did not get any of them having been self employed so I expect I think differently than many people do. Your business funded RETIREMENT PLAN, 401k, 403B, pension, medical care, etc WAS TAX FREE INCOME. Even social security. If, you worked for an employer, what ever you paid into this system your employer paid the same TAX FREE, for you. I PAID 13% OF MY GROSS TO SOCIAL SECURITY.
As to CORPORATIONS THAT PAY NO TAX. Realize a CORPORATION is not a human being IT IS SIMPLY PAPERWORK. The PROFIT is distributed to the owners-THE SHARE HOLDERS-in the form of dividends AND THE DIVIDENDS ARE TAXABLE.
Oh, I have no pension. I am living on dividends from stocks purchased with money I HAVE PAID INCOME TAX ON. I still pay TAX on the dividends I receive on money I ALREADY PAID INCOME TAX ON.
SO WHAT DO YOU THINK IS UNFAIR? Oh and if you have a retirement plan, an annuity, etc etc etc YOU TOO ARE AN EVIL CORPORATE OWNER.

Corporations aren't human being. Maybe you should tell that to the Supreme Court. They ruled that they are in the Citizens United case. Our election are now up for sale.

What income tax programs did Obama institute to get to the point that 47% of people don't pay FEDERAL INCOME TAXES? They are paying Social Security, Medicare, State income and sales taxes. A lot of people, it isn't coming out of disposable income. Take a ride to the Ocala Forest, and see how many are living there. He extended "W's" tax cut program to everyone, but the highest tax bracket people. Take a look at the number of seniors that are in the 47%. It is over 10% and growing.

Are dividends taxed twice? Sure, they are. Are you going to sit there for a second, and say that the federal income code doesn't favor corporations? You point the one bad thing, and we suppose to feel sorry for the owners of businesses.