No more wal-mart cart trail?

[spring_chicken]

Duke Energy has put up a no trespassing sign.
Article on unnamed news site.

[justjim]

Assuming this is true I believe it was only a matter of time. Liability issues I would think.

[spring_chicken]

Not sure why they feel the need now. How many liability issues have there been for all the years it's been used?

[justjim]

Not sure why they feel the need now. How many liability issues have there been for all the years it's been used?

Most likely one of their lawyers who was bored!

[Nucky]

First day with our loaner golf cart we cruised over to Lowes on this path. Like two dopey teenagers we lost track of time and when we came out it was dark and we also had a little lightning mixed in. Mrs Nucky escalated this situation to Code Red status. Like F Troop was going to come out of the dark and do us in. It was a mistake, we survived and it won't happen again. This path is important to many people and I hope something can be worked out for them. I'm sure it was someone trying to climb the Duke Energy corporate ladder that brought this to their attention after a long time of it not being a problemo.

[Arctic Fox]

Duke Energy has put up a no trespassing sign.
Article on unnamed news site.

Is this the cart path from TV to Lowes, or the one from Lowes to WalMart?

Thank you

[karostay]

:boxing2:That's It! I'm going solar ..I'll show them....

[spring_chicken]

Is this the cart path from TV to Lowes, or the one from Lowes to WalMart?

Thank you

The one running between Aldi and Wal-Mart.

[TVMayor]

The �No Trespassing� is not a problem. Janet Tutt can fix it. She is currently preparing to acquire the property behind Rio Grande pool for recreation purposes using an Eminent Domain process called Quick-Take. All she needs to do is include this golf cart path into the proposed plan.

[spring_chicken]

The �No Trespassing� is not a problem. Janet Tutt can fix it. She is currently preparing to acquire the property behind Rio Grande pool for recreation purposes using an Eminent Domain process called Quick-Take. All she needs to do is include this golf cart path into the proposed plan.

I wouldn't hold my breath on that. They don't want us going over there anyway! Remember the wall?

[rubicon]

Bring back the wall

[DaBears]

What's the problem?
Remember the wall?
Villagers didn't want StoneCrest people using their Private Property to get to the stores and the Doctors so they put up a gate. Now the villagers want to use private property to get to Wal-Mart.
Maybe we could car pool to Wal-Mart, for those that can't drive. That's what we told other people to do.
No Hypocrisy here.
What goes around comes around.

[njbchbum]

My guess is that if Wal-mart wants the business, it will make a deal of some sort with Duke Energy; if Wal-Mart does not - then pffft!

[Chatbrat]

Last week I was in the ABC store adjacent to Sam's--there was a golf cart /that was street legal in the parking lot. Just wondering,how can the cart get there legally ?

[coach]

Last week I was in the ABC store adjacent to Sam's--there was a golf cart /that was street legal in the parking lot. Just wondering,how can the cart get there legally ?

You answered your own question. If the golf cart was street legal then it drove to the ABC store on the street legally.

[graciegirl]

What's the problem?
Remember the wall?
Villagers didn't want StoneCrest people using their Private Property to get to the stores and the Doctors so they put up a gate. Now the villagers want to use private property to get to Wal-Mart.
Maybe we could car pool to Wal-Mart, for those that can't drive. That's what we told other people to do.
No Hypocrisy here.
What goes around comes around.

I can't figure out if you are a Villager or a Stonecrester or how you stand exactly. I stand for the wall. We have enough people who live here driving golf carts. Perhaps a couple too many according to some.

[John_W]

The “No Trespassing” is not a problem. Janet Tutt can fix it. She is currently preparing to acquire the property behind Rio Grande pool for recreation purposes using an Eminent Domain process called Quick-Take. All she needs to do is include this golf cart path into the proposed plan.

You didn't include a smilie emoticon, property south of the Rio Grande pool/mail center (which is west of Del Mar) and the property in question is east of Hwy 27/441 in the historic area. That would be a little difficult to link up in an eminent domain issue.

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From The Villages online newspaper;

"A No Trespassing sign has been posted on Duke Energy’s portion of an unsanctioned golf cart trail that links Stonecrest to The Villages.

The unofficial trail also provides access for Villagers to Wal-Mart, Lowe’s and Aldi. Many golf carts traverse the trail each day.

Earlier this year, a volunteer army made up mostly of Stonecresters brought out heavy equipment and performed a major cleanup of the trail. They put out a bucket seeking donations from those who travel the trail.

In 2013, the Developer put up the “Berlin Wall,” sealing off The Villages from the outside. After a protest in Spanish Springs Town Square and an outcry from furious residents, the wall came down.

A card-access gate went up at the site after the wall came down."

[Gerald]

Duke Energy has put up a no trespassing sign.
Article on unnamed news site.

I will believe it when I see the sign!

[villagetinker]

I am sure this is a liability issue for Duke Energy, utilities get very nervous about people being close to their facilities. It would not surprise me to see a gate go up in the near future if golf carts continue to use the path. This is the same reason that you see gates across the paths used by the utilities for transmission line maintenance. From Google maps, it appears the Duke property goes all the way to the fence around the dentation basin, so it appears there will be no alternative to get around the Duke property.

[Allegiance]

We can all boycott their electricity. :)

[karostay]

Bring back the wall

Another Brick in the Wall (Part 2) - Pink Floyd - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34ZmKbe5oG4)

[Miles42]

Yea that may work stealing the average Joe's property would not not advise it when it comes to big money folks LOL

[bagboy]

The owner of the property has posted a No Trespassing sign. They do not want anyone crossing their property. That should be that.

[dewilson58]

The owner of the property has posted a No Trespassing sign. They do not want anyone crossing their property. That should be that.

Seems simple.

:smiley:

[graciegirl]

The owner of the property has posted a No Trespassing sign. They do not want anyone crossing their property. That should be that.

It is for me. And DeWilson and you. I bet there will be several more pages of discussion.

[looneycat]

and they all scoffed at me when i said this would happen....sheesh! :1rotfl:

[Cajulian]

What's the problem?
Remember the wall?
Villagers didn't want StoneCrest people using their Private Property to get to the stores and the Doctors so they put up a gate. Now the villagers want to use private property to get to Wal-Mart.
Maybe we could car pool to Wal-Mart, for those that can't drive. That's what we told other people to do.
No Hypocrisy here.
What goes around comes around.

DaBears, You are right. When the wall and then subsequent gate went up, it only hurt Stonecresters who had a need to get to other locations. Some Villagers were quite vocal on what they felt was an abuse of their rights. Even though they felt it was appropriate to use others land to get to Aldi, Lowes, and Walmart.

So, I feel all those people are hypocritical. Now no one has access that is needed either way. Stonecrest has easy access to Walmart area. And Villagers only have easy access to Aldi's and Lowes. People that don't drive cars, but did golf carts now cannot get to things necessary for them. Some had jobs at Walmart or Aldi's. This is now a no-win situation.

I doubt there was any concern of liability. This path has been in use for 15 years with no liability issues and has actually been upgraded by volunteers. A while back, Walmart and Duke Energy were working together to make this all work for all going both ways. Once the Villages got greedy and only wanted access for there people is when this all began to come undone. Many of us saw this coming.

Sad state now. No winners, just losers. Small minded people get what they deserve.

[bargee]

Private property. No trespassing sign posted, end of story.

[Cajulian]

I can't figure out if you are a Villager or a Stonecrester or how you stand exactly. I stand for the wall. We have enough people who live here driving golf carts. Perhaps a couple too many according to some.

Gracie, does it really matter whether DaBears is a Villager or Stonecrester? Everyone that had a need to go either way now lose. And for some, that creates a real problem, sometimes financial or medical.

The traffic was miniscule and had no major impacts to traffic congestion on the multi-modal paths. Did anyone really notice any traffic differences after the gate went up?

This new change won't change that either.

[graciegirl]

Gracie, does it really matter whether DaBears is a Villager or Stonecrester? Everyone that had a need to go either way now lose. And for some, that creates a real problem, sometimes financial or medical.

The traffic was miniscule and had no major impacts to traffic congestion on the multi-modal paths. Did anyone really notice any traffic differences after the gate went up?

This new change won't change that either.

I believe there are a couple thousand homes in Stonecrest, with perhaps almost that many golf carts? I believe Stonecrest gates are closed to other's golf carts. If anyone wants to drive their golf carts on the multi-modal paths in The Villages, they can buy a home in The Villages. Why should we pay to keep up paths for other developments to use?

[Cajulian]

And a majority of those Stonecrest people rarely go to the Villages.

Do you think that most of the people that live in Santo Domingo (1980 homes) drive their carts to Spanish Springs? Many probably never even go.

With over 100,000 people living in the Villages, but mostly 100 to 200 people visiting each of the squares (many nights less) nightly says it's a very small percentage. And some choose to drive cars. I think many people enjoy the niceness of The Villages, but the crowds in the Squares indicates its not the most important thing to them.

I think the traffic from Orange Blossum and Stonecrest is a non-issue that is always blown out of proportion. That's my opinion. Each to their own.

[Cajulian]

I believe there are a couple thousand homes in Stonecrest, with perhaps almost that many golf carts? I believe Stonecrest gates are closed to other's golf carts. If anyone wants to drive their golf carts on the multi-modal paths in The Villages, they can buy a home in The Villages. Why should we pay to keep up paths for other developments to use?

Gracie, you are uninformed. There are about 2000 homes in Stonecrest. Golf cart volume is closer to 1100, not 2,000. Also Villagers go in Stonecrest on a very regular basis. They are allowed to use the Golf course, the Club House for dinners/lunch, and often use the Pickleball courts when TV's is too busy.

You don't even need to be invited in. The Gate guards will let you in if you tell them you are going to use those facilities. You can go in by car or golf cart, so Im not sure why people keep assuming that is not possible and proliferating a myth.

Anyway, have a nice night. These discussions really never go anywhere. They just humor us.

[rubicon]

Gracie, you are uninformed. There are about 2000 homes in Stonecrest. Golf cart volume is closer to 1100, not 2,000. Also Villagers go in Stonecrest on a very regular basis. They are allowed to use the Golf course, the Club House for dinners/lunch, and often use the Pickleball courts when TV's is too busy.

You don't even need to be invited in. The Gate guards will let you in if you tell them you are going to use those facilities. You can go in by car or golf cart, so Im not sure why people keep assuming that is not possible and proliferating a myth.

Anyway, have a nice night. These discussions really never go anywhere. They just humor us.

"You can go by car and golf cart"

So "the removal of the wall and the installation of the gate has not stopped the flow of golf carts from Stonecrest and Stonecrest's motto of buy a better home here and still enjoy the villages lifestyle still stands. ..neat. I wonder who at Stonecrest or TV is supplying the gate passes?

and apparently those people who you claim they desperately need their golf carts because they can't drive a car are using their cars to get to TV but they can't use them to get to Aldi's etc. Hmmm
I posit if you have a disability that causes you not to be able drive a car should also apply to a golf cart otherwise you are placing yourself and others in danger

Bring back the wall

Like others have stated if you want a village lifestyle buy a house here the cart paths are getting too crowded now

the commercial district public squares are open to all However the CDD's are another matter entirley.

[rustyp]

In hindsight whoever did the upgrading to this path which was an extensive amount of work must not have had Duke's permission. That is an assumption before we go down the garden path. If true they bought this situation onto themselves.

[RickeyD]

In hindsight whoever did the upgrading to this path which was an extensive amount of work must not have had Duke's permission. That is an assumption before we go down the garden path. If true they bought this situation onto themselves.



If the work was done with no fanfare, that No Trespassing sign may not have been installed. Loose lips sink ships.

[stan the man]

Gracie, you are uninformed. There are about 2000 homes in Stonecrest. Golf cart volume is closer to 1100, not 2,000. Also Villagers go in Stonecrest on a very regular basis. They are allowed to use the Golf course, the Club House for dinners/lunch, and often use the Pickleball courts when TV's is too busy.

You don't even need to be invited in. The Gate guards will let you in if you tell them you are going to use those facilities. You can go in by car or golf cart, so Im not sure why people keep assuming that is not possible and proliferating a myth.

Anyway, have a nice night. These discussions really never go anywhere. They just humor us.

Very nice post and research. Thank you for the correct information

[graciegirl]

Very nice post and research. Thank you for the correct information

No ticket. No laundry.

No home ownership and amenity fee payment, no golf cart usage of multimodal paths. Some who live off campus purchase and use a golfcart that can be driven on the public roads. I always wonder why they just simply didn't buy here.

[ColdNoMore]

No ticket. No laundry.

No home ownership and amenity fee payment, no golf cart usage of multimodal paths. Some who live off campus purchase and use a golfcart that can be driven on the public roads.

I always wonder why they just simply didn't buy here.

That's pretty obvious.

More house for the same money.

Had we just wanted to live in this area of Florida and weren't interested in the plethora of activities and amenities (especially the variety of championship golf courses)...we wouldn't have chosen TV.

Any way you slice it, TV houses cost more per SF and you get less yard than in other nearby areas.

We bought based on the entire TV lifestyle, not for the house/land size. :shrug:

[Rollie]

Just wondering, how many stores and restaurants have closed in Spanish Springs since the gate has gone up.

Rollie

[outlaw]

No ticket. No laundry.

No home ownership and amenity fee payment, no golf cart usage of multimodal paths. Some who live off campus purchase and use a golfcart that can be driven on the public roads. I always wonder why they just simply didn't buy here.

I was raised to have empathy for others.

[outlaw]

In hindsight whoever did the upgrading to this path which was an extensive amount of work must not have had Duke's permission. That is an assumption before we go down the garden path. If true they bought this situation onto themselves.

If they did not have Duke's permission to do the extensive upgrades (and it appears that they didn't), I'm amazed at their arrogance and disregard of property rights. All I can figure is that someone in this group thought if they spent a period of time maintaining the property, they could claim in the future that they have access across the property through adverse possession. I believe the obvious liability issue along with the adverse possession issue is why Duke has acted.

[Bogie Shooter]

Information(factual) that has never been provided regarding the infamous trail.
How much cart traffic is northbound versus southbound?

[dewilson58]

All I can figure is that someone in this group thought if they spent a period of time maintaining the property, they could claim in the future that they have access across the property through adverse possession. I believe the obvious liability issue along with the adverse possession issue is why Duke has acted.

08.16.16...........I have to write this date down. Ok, got it.

I agree.

[ColdNoMore]

I was raised to have empathy for others.

Me too (disregarding my sometimes warped sense of humor :D ), but don't you realize that those 20-30 extra carts a day from Stonecrest will clog and destroy the MMP's in TV? :loco:

[graciegirl]

That's pretty obvious.

More house for the same money.

Had we just wanted to live in this area of Florida and weren't interested in the plethora of activities and amenities (especially the variety of championship golf courses)...we wouldn't have chosen TV.

Any way you slice it, TV houses cost more per SF and you get less yard than in other nearby areas.

We bought based on the entire TV lifestyle, not for the house/land size. :shrug:

Wellllll..........there you have it.

[Regor]

The only place that would really notice any increase in cart traffic is the bridge over 441 and Paradise Drive. After the bridge everyone spreads out to their destinations. I would much rather have golf carts in the parking areas than cars! You can get 4 carts in where it is parallel parking and 2 where it angle parking. Have you ever been to the town squares and had to park a long ways away? What would it be like if it was all carts? The non-Village people are STILL going to come here for the shopping and entertainment.

More cars, more traffic. Isn't Morse Blvd, 441 & 466 busy enough?

[Allegiance]

Believe it or not there are people living in the villages on a meager fixed income and choose not to have a car, they get to Walmart for cheap provisions and prescriptions via Golf cart. I feel for them. Some villagers, although not many, work in walmart and do not drive a car. They will be out of luck and a job.

[Rollie]

Also, isn't that the reason the wall came down.

Rollie

[spring_chicken]

The only place that would really notice any increase in cart traffic is the bridge over 441 and Paradise Drive. After the bridge everyone spreads out to their destinations. I would much rather have golf carts in the parking areas than cars! You can get 4 carts in where it is parallel parking and 2 where it angle parking. Have you ever been to the town squares and had to park a long ways away? What would it be like if it was all carts? The non-Village people are STILL going to come here for the shopping and entertainment.

More cars, more traffic. Isn't Morse Blvd, 441 & 466 busy enough?

BINGO! I absolutely HATE 441. I can literally get to wal-mart quicker by cart even though I go a mile out of the way using the cart bridge.
A LOT of those carts parked in the wal-mart lot will now be more freaking cars going 35 in a 45 on Hwy 441. UGH.

[tophcfa]

So I understand, can Villagers still get to Lowes but not Walmart by golf cart? If that is the case, Villagers still can get to both by golf cart by driving to the Buffalo Ridge Walmart, although a longer ride for many. I know that does not help the people who commute to their job by golf cart at the Walmart near Lowes. Never been to Aldi so can't comment on that.

[NoMoSno]

...and when Mr. Brown shuts down his path, due to liability, Harbor Chase will be the only destination.

[TVMayor]

Information(factual) that has never been provided regarding the infamous trail.
How much cart traffic is northbound versus southbound?
Disregarding 911 events, if all carts returned home, northbound and southbound would be equal. That would be my wild guess. :22yikes:

[debow]

If they did not have Duke's permission to do the extensive upgrades (and it appears that they didn't), I'm amazed at their arrogance and disregard of property rights. All I can figure is that someone in this group thought if they spent a period of time maintaining the property, they could claim in the future that they have access across the property through adverse possession. I believe the obvious liability issue along with the adverse possession issue is why Duke has acted.

Maybe Duke put the sign up to protect against liability. If they really want to block cart traffic, a sign won't work.

[jebartle]

Bring back the wall

and Mexico will pay for it!

[Bogie Shooter]

Information(factual) that has never been provided regarding the infamous trail.
How much cart traffic is northbound versus southbound?

Disregarding 911 events, if all carts returned home, northbound and southbound would be equal. That would be my wild guess. :22yikes:

To be more clear. Are there more carts from TV visiting Walmart, than there are Stonecrest carts visiting TV.

[Topspinmo]

Maybe Duke put the sign up to protect against liability. If they rveally want to block cart traffic, a sign won't work.

Agreed. The sign not going to stop traffic. Done to protect against lawsuits When someone tried to sue, they'll have ace in they're pocket. Only way to stop traffic would be gate and lock.

Signs only stop law bidding people or people that's not special.

[TVMayor]

To be more clear. Are there more carts from TV visiting Walmart, than there are Stonecrest carts visiting TV.
If I was on a quiz program, my answer would be more carts from TV visit Walmart than Stonecrest carts visit TV. Because you need a card to open the gate to get into TV, no red button.

[kcrazorbackfan]

The owner of the property has posted a No Trespassing sign. They do not want anyone crossing their property. That should be that.

To any of you that cross that boundary of Duke Energy's "no trespassing" sign, would you want anyone crossing into an area that you deemed no trespassing? Didn't think so.

[JoelJohnson]

Did Duke put up that sign, or someone's joke?

[JoMar]

I can't figure out if you are a Villager or a Stonecrester or how you stand exactly. I stand for the wall. We have enough people who live here driving golf carts. Perhaps a couple too many according to some.

Actually we have too many driving cars.

[justjim]

Ironically residents that live on the Historical side of TV and in that area get their electricity from Duke Energy. For years golf carts passed through Duke's property so customers of Duke could go to work, buy groceries, and get needed pharmacy supplies. Suddenly and without notice a no trespassing sign appears. One would wonder why they would treat their good customers in this manner. Was this cart path really that big of a liability issue? Really? Or is something else the problem here? Does Duke Energy "care" about the residents (their good customers) and what hardships this decision might cause? It appears Duke Energy has the power in more ways than one. Just a thought.

[chuckinca]

Might be Duke trying to entice Walmart to buy the trail thru the Duke property.

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[chuckinca]

...and when Mr. Brown shuts down his path, due to liability, Harbor Chase will be the only destination.

I believe Mr Brown (a cousin of the Morse's) sold his property to the Morse's a couple years ago. Maybe the Morse's will shut down that portion of the path between Harbor Chase and the Lowe's etc shopping area.

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[ColdNoMore]

Maybe Duke put the sign up to protect against liability. If they really want to block cart traffic, a sign won't work.

Yep, that's my take on it.

They simply put a sign up to mitigate their liability.

After all, it would be very inexpensive to really stop golf cart traffic.

In about 30 minutes, a backhoe could dig a trench/berm across the trail that would stop even 4X4 ATV's from traversing the trail...if they had truly wanted to physically stop carts. :shrug:

[RickeyD]

Yep, that's my take on it.

They simply put a sign up to mitigate their liability.

After all, it would be very inexpensive to really stop golf cart traffic.

In about 30 minutes, a backhoe could dig a trench/berm across the trail that would stop even 4X4 ATV's from traversing the trail...if they had truly wanted to physically stop carts. :shrug:

A neighbor of mine up north who also happens to service my oil furnace told me of his no trespassing signs that a fat neighbor woman traversed, sued him and won because she tripped on his property and broke her ankle. Signs don't mean ****.

[ColdNoMore]

A neighbor of mine up north who also happens to service my oil furnace told me of his no trespassing signs that a fat neighbor woman traversed, sued him and won because she tripped on his property and broke her ankle. Signs don't mean ****.

I don't doubt that it might occasionally happen whereby someone is still successfully sued with signs up (I would be curious as to what they based their successful lawsuit on, as I'm not sure you got the whole story from your neighbor :shrug: ), but I also know of many companies/entities that have avoided lawsuits because they installed no trespassing signs.

Trespass in Structure or Conveyance- Florida | Criminal Law (http://www.husseinandwebber.com/crimes/property-crimes/trespass/)


2) Trespass on Property Other Than a Structure or Conveyance- this type of trespass occurs where a person who, without being authorized, licensed, or invited, willfully enters upon or remains in any property other than a structure or conveyance. The elements that must be proven at trial for this offense are as follows:

- The defendant willfully entered upon or remained in the property alleged;

- The property was owned by or in the lawful possession of the person/entity claiming the trespass;

- Notice not to enter upon or remain in that property had been given by either actual communication or by posting, cultivation, or fencing on the property, and

- The defendant’s entering upon or remaining in the property was without the permission, express or implied, of the person or entity claiming the trespass or any other person authorized to give that permission. See Section 810.09, Florida Statutes.

The phrase “posted land” is legally defined as land upon which signs are placed not more than 500 feet apart along and at each corner of the property’s boundaries. The signs must prominently display (in letters not less than 2 inches high) the words “No Trespassing” and must, in smaller letters, state the owner, lessee, or occupant of the land.

However, if the property is less than five acres in area, and a dwelling house is located on it, the property will automatically be treated as “posted land” even though no signs have been erected.

[Cajulian]

:wave:

[Cajulian]

Might be Duke trying to entice Walmart to buy the trail thru the Duke property.

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There was already discussion on this very topic going on between Walmart and Duke over a year ago. It looked like they were going to come to an agreement until the wall and then gate went up.

[outlaw]

Maybe Duke put the sign up to protect against liability. If they really want to block cart traffic, a sign won't work.

This may be the first step. A fence may be next.

[Rapscallion St Croix]

My yard man told me the scoop on this. I used Google Translator to put his words into English. It seems that the evil ones who run The Villages...I think they are collectively known as "They".....were sitting around drinking brandy and smoking illegal Cuban cigars, when Janet Tutt said she wished there were a way to deflect some of the daily criticism she receives. One of the minions who runs The Villages sign painting operation, suggested they use a ploy whereby another institution appears to do something so dastardly that Janet gets a few days respite. There you have it.

[justjim]

The only ones really harmed by this are the residents that only have the use of their golf carts as a means of transportation. Others can use their cars. That said, they can use the bridge over 441 for grocery and pharmacy medications. That said, it was a convenience and perhaps for a few a means to get to doctors and to work. One can only wonder how many fall into this category of being really "harmed" by this so called "liability issue" or whatever has caused this problem. I can completely understand the frustration of all (even the stone cresters) who wonder---really what is the big deal here.

[kstew43]

just wanted to mention....if anyone knew this or not....but...we had friends visit and they rented a golf cart for $21 for 24 hours from the villages golf cart store.

so non-villagers can rent a golf cart anytime they choose, for a very low amount and use the paths that...we pay for...

so I really don't see the difference.....with stone crest using the paths as well....

either way.....homeowners see no profits from others using the property we supposedly financially support...

[biker1]

I think the important point is that they were your guests and you pay to maintain the MMPs. Just like your guests can use the pools, rec centers, and executive courses, that you pay to maintain. The people in Stonecrest are not your guests.

just wanted to mention....if anyone knew this or not....but...we had friends visit and they rented a golf cart for $21 for 24 hours from the villages golf cart store.

so non-villagers can rent a golf cart anytime they choose, for a very low amount and use the paths that...we pay for...

so I really don't see the difference.....with stone crest using the paths as well....

either way.....homeowners see no profits from others using the property we supposedly financially support...

[NotGolfer]

My yard man told me the scoop on this. I used Google Translator to put his words into English. It seems that the evil ones who run The Villages...I think they are collectively known as "They".....were sitting around drinking brandy and smoking illegal Cuban cigars, when Janet Tutt said she wished there were a way to deflect some of the daily criticism she receives. One of the minions who runs The Villages sign painting operation, suggested they use a ploy whereby another institution appears to do something so dastardly that Janet gets a few days respite. There you have it.

Thank you for giving a good chuckle!!! That said, I can understand the frustration of folks for sure. I'd bet just as many Villagers use that trail, as do Stonecresters. But the utility has a right to put up such signs. It has nothing to do with our developer.

[Allegiance]

The signs are on either side of the path, and observation today indicates interpretation is that it means stay on the path. It's business as usual and everyone is happy.

[dewilson58]

That's funny.

[DrThunder]

If Walmart, Aldies, & Lowes would just agree to pay that % of revenue to TV that the other merchants do, we'd have none of these problems on that side of the road.

Personally, I'd be willing to pay an extra annual fee to TV for a Golf Cart sticker to have access to that Walmart etc. and a maintained path. It's always about $, so a reasonable fee for TV residents and the other communities would probably make everybody happy and a little more money in the Morse family's coffers which is always important. You know the merchants love the business and those that use it wouldn't mind a small fee. Not so different than a toll or paying for parking.

Instead, we have to pretend it's about all these other issues when it's just profits. No different than paying a parking fee. For that matter, why not sell access to TV amenities for the surrounding communities as well? No different than joining a country club. Price it high enough so that you don't get riffraff and make money to boot. Keeps the monthly fee for TV residents lower too. Problems solved!

[Villageswimmer]

Ironically residents that live on the Historical side of TV and in that area get their electricity from Duke Energy. For years golf carts passed through Duke's property so customers of Duke could go to work, buy groceries, and get needed pharmacy supplies. Suddenly and without notice a no trespassing sign appears. One would wonder why they would treat their good customers in this manner. Was this cart path really that big of a liability issue? Really? Or is something else the problem here? Does Duke Energy "care" about the residents (their good customers) and what hardships this decision might cause? It appears Duke Energy has the power in more ways than one. Just a thought.


Has any Duke customer called to ask?

[kstew43]

I think the important point is that they were your guests and you pay to maintain the MMPs. Just like your guests can use the pools, rec centers, and executive courses, that you pay to maintain. The people in Stonecrest are not your guests.

Actually, these particular friends of ours rent golf carts all the time.....long before we ever became friends....they said they enjoy driving around the squares and homes just for the heck of it.....as long as the cart is back before 8:30 when the store closes...so

I still stand behind.....anyone...with out any qualifications....can rent a golf cart from villages golf carts and use the paths,

Friends of residents or not....

[biker1]

Nobody is arguing the point that anyone can rent a golf cart and drive around on the MMP paths - there is no way to prevent that. You said you didn't see the issue with residents of Stonecrest having access to the MMP paths. I see an issue with that. They don't pay to maintain them so they shouldn't be granted access. Just like we don't grant them access to the pools, rec centers, or executive golf courses which are all maintained by the fees you pay to the CDD.


Actually, these particular friends of ours rent golf carts all the time.....long before we ever became friends....they said they enjoy driving around the squares and homes just for the heck of it.....as long as the cart is back before 8:30 when the store closes...so

I still stand behind.....anyone...with out any qualifications....can rent a golf cart from villages golf carts and use the paths,

Friends of residents or not....

[kstew43]

Nobody is arguing the point that anyone can rent a golf cart and drive around on the MMP paths - there is no way to prevent that. You said you didn't see the issue with residents of Stonecrest having access to the MMP paths. I see an issue with that. They don't pay to maintain them so they shouldn't be granted access. Just like we don't grant them access to the pools, rec centers, or executive golf courses which are all maintained by the fees you pay to the CDD.

you are absolutely right.....but stonecrest and occassional cart renters IMHO fit into the same catagory. seems can't stop either of them......

[dewilson58]

Happy Trails

Roy Rogers - Happy trails - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgw_yprN_-w)

[ColdNoMore]

Bookmark this thread/post, because I predict in the not too distant future all TV homeowners will be required to register their personal carts and display their registration on their windshields or somewhere else on the cart that is prominent.

That will stop those dozen or so carts a day, that have the unmitigated gall to use and destroy our trails. :loco:

[Allegiance]

If the trails are private property can't the powers that be ask us for our Village ID as they do at pools?

Or they can man the famous golf cart gate permanently or occasionally and ask for Village ID or no entry.

[Moderator]

The topic of this thread is the possible closure of the path behind the Duke Energy property that provides access to various merchants. Please return to that topic.

If you wish to discuss access to Villages MMPs by outside carts, you may start a new thread on that topic. Further posts with this topic within the above thread will be deleted.

Moderator

[Barefoot]

My yard man told me the scoop on this. I used Google Translator to put his words into English. It seems that the evil ones who run The Villages...I think they are collectively known as "They".....were sitting around drinking brandy and smoking illegal Cuban cigars, when Janet Tutt said she wished there were a way to deflect some of the daily criticism she receives. One of the minions who runs The Villages sign painting operation, suggested they use a ploy whereby another institution appears to do something so dastardly that Janet gets a few days respite. There you have it. :laugh:...we had friends visit and they rented a golf cart for $21 for 24 hours from the villages golf cart store. so non-villagers can rent a golf cart anytime they choose, for a very low amount and use the paths that...we pay for...:gc: Yes, people can rent a golf cart from The Villages Golf Cart Store and drive around on the MM paths.
It wouldn't be my idea of a good time, and I wouldn't spend $21 to drive on the MM paths, but obviously it appeals to your friends.
I'm not sure it has anything to do with people from adjacent communities bringing in their personal golf carts and driving on our MM paths.
But I don't think it's a large enough problem that Villagers need to be overly concerned about it.

[dewilson58]

Bare, you were typing when the moderator was typing.


:censored:


:wave:

[graciegirl]

Bare, you were typing when the moderator was typing.


:censored:


:wave:

They are good folks, the moderators. I have been accused of being one, but no, I have never. But they do hold me back at times from getting my ounce of flesh.

[Barefoot]

Bare, you were typing when the moderator was typing.
I realized that when I saw the note from the Mods; so perhaps I'll be forgiven.
Darn it, I know better! But sometimes I can't resist being drawn away from the topic. Me bad.

[ColdNoMore]

The topic of this thread is the possible closure of the path behind the Duke Energy property that provides access to various merchants. Please return to that topic.

If you wish to discuss access to Villages MMPs by outside carts, you may start a new thread on that topic. Further posts with this topic within the above thread will be deleted.

Moderator

I took your advice and started a new thread...with a poll no less! :D

Hopefully, you don't mind me linking it to your post. :o


https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/villages-mmp-use-outside-carts-206104/

[dewilson58]

I realized that when I saw the note from the Mods; so perhaps I'll be forgiven.
Darn it, I know better! But sometimes I can't resist being drawn away from the topic. Me bad.

I thought it was pretty cool of the big M to let your post stay given the timing.

:024:

[photo1902]

I love the people complaining how bad traffic is on 441. I drive it (from the Brownwood area) at least every other day to the area of Lowe's. All I can say is the complainers must have never lived in a major metropolitan area if they think 441 is bad, traffic wise. And as far as the cart path goes...get over it. Get in your car and go to Lowe's or Walmart.

[Cajulian]

Has any Duke customer called to ask?

I heard Duke was flooded with calls on this topic.

[Cajulian]

Nobody is arguing the point that anyone can rent a golf cart and drive around on the MMP paths - there is no way to prevent that. You said you didn't see the issue with residents of Stonecrest having access to the MMP paths. I see an issue with that. They don't pay to maintain them so they shouldn't be granted access. Just like we don't grant them access to the pools, rec centers, or executive golf courses which are all maintained by the fees you pay to the CDD.

The only problem with your premis is that all the main roads thru TV's are public and as such the paths that run along side of them are not illegal for non-villagers to drive their carts on.

Also why is Stonecrest even being mentioned in this topic again. Since the Paradise Gate was put up they are almost non-existent in the traffic on TV's paths. Almost all of the Stonecrest traffic is only over the 15 year old Duke property path to Walmart, Aldi's, Bealls Plaza, and Lowes. You really need to find a new scapegoat for your other issues.

[villagetinker]

Assuming that all setback, lot clearance, golf cart path width, and safety issues could be addressed, Duke could possibly enter into a right of way agreement with the villages to have the villages install and maintain a golf cart path in this area. This might be the best situation, as it would relieve Duke of liability concerns, and The Villages would just be adding to their already large inventory of golf cart paths.

[Cajulian]

Assuming that all setback, lot clearance, golf cart path width, and safety issues could be addressed, Duke could possibly enter into a right of way agreement with the villages to have the villages install and maintain a golf cart path in this area. This might be the best situation, as it would relieve Duke of liability concerns, and The Villages would just be adding to their already large inventory of golf cart paths.

And what do you do with The Stonecrest people that use this same Duke path that abuts to one of their gates on the back south side of Walmart. Also since they had been in discussions with Walmart (who supports the use) and Duke to continue this capability over the past year.

All of the stores and restaurants in this immediate area benefit from primarily Stonecrest, Orange Blossum, and some Spanish Springs area carts. It would be nice to have a right of way reciprocal agreement as all residents and stores benefit a great deal. Duke is the only one that doesn't profit on it. But they keep all their power customers happy. And the current path since upgraded is very wide and all wild brush has been removed. It used to be a heavily wooded area with occasional homeless people in there. They have all since relocated because the area is too open now. Now it is a pretty decent path and Duke and Mr. Brown have both allowed this use now for 15 years with no complaints or liability issues.

[justjim]

Has any Duke customer called to ask?

I don't know but If I was a current customer of Duke I would call them especially if a golf cart was my only means of transportation. I would want to know exactly how to interpret the signs that were recently posted along the golf trail. Note: At one time we did own a manufactured home on the historical side of TV and was a good customer of Duke Energy.

[njbchbum]

The only problem with your premis is that all the main roads thru TV's are public and as such the paths that run along side of them are not illegal for non-villagers to drive their carts on.
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What was your analysis that allowed you to reach that conclusion? I have never seen nor heard of any authority other than TV building and maintaining them.

[Fredman]

Those with the gold make the rules. So, find another way to walmart

[dewilson58]

Wow.............100

[rustyp]

The signs are on either side of the path, and observation today indicates interpretation is that it means stay on the path. It's business as usual and everyone is happy.

Interesting observation. Could be some credence in this theory if both ends of the path were not posted. Do you know if the no trespass signs are at both the Walmart and Aldi's ends (i.e. a total of 4 signs)?

[Allegiance]

Interesting observation. Could be some credence in this theory if both ends of the path were not posted. Do you know if the no trespass signs are at both the Walmart and Aldi's ends (i.e. a total of 4 signs)?
There were no signs posted at the Aldi end. The signs started about 50 feet into the path after leaving Aldi. I will try to report on the Walmart end. Although I did observe many carts going in both directions, I wanted to give it at least a day before I crossed as I did not have to go to Walmart yesterday and did not want to be a test case. I do have a yearning for ice cream

(Chocolate Truffle
It�s every chocolate-lover�s dream! Savor the creamy, delicious taste of Breyers� dark chocolate ice cream and pieces of dark chocolate truffles in every bite)

...and since walmart carries this flavor and has the best price by far, I may have to risk arrest today.

[JoelJohnson]

So, did anybody call Duke?

[biker1]

Wrong. The MPPs are owned by the CDDs and are maintained with fees paid to the CDDs by Villages residents. "Illegal" is your term, not mine.

The only problem with your premis is that all the main roads thru TV's are public and as such the paths that run along side of them are not illegal for non-villagers to drive their carts on.

Also why is Stonecrest even being mentioned in this topic again. Since the Paradise Gate was put up they are almost non-existent in the traffic on TV's paths. Almost all of the Stonecrest traffic is only over the 15 year old Duke property path to Walmart, Aldi's, Bealls Plaza, and Lowes. You really need to find a new scapegoat for your other issues.

[maureenod]

I have no dog in this fight, but did anyone get permission first, to " clean up" the path? Bringing heavy equipment doesn't seem right. As in many states, there may even a law that if you use land for a number of years it becomes a right of way.

[Villageswimmer]

I have no dog in this fight, but did anyone get permission first, to " clean up" the path? Bringing heavy equipment doesn't seem right. As in many states, there may even a law that if you use land for a number of years it becomes a right of way.


No dog in this fight, either. Just wondering...could it be that prior to the "cleanup/improvements" the owner looked the other way, and now that it looks more official, they can no longer afford to do that and need to recognize liability issues? Did the cleaner-uppers shoot themselves in the foot?? Just a thought.

OAN, will golf cart insurance cover owners who have an accident while trespassing? I'd check with my insurance company before ignoring the signs. Insurance companies like to look for reasons to deny claims.

[dewilson58]

No dog in this fight, either. Just wondering...could it be that prior to the "cleanup/improvements" the owner looked the other way, and now that it looks more official, they can no longer afford to do that and need to recognize liability issues? Did the cleaner-uppers shoot themselves in the foot?? Just a thought.

OAN, will golf cart insurance cover owners who have an accident while trespassing? I'd check with my insurance company before ignoring the signs. Insurance companies like to look for reasons to deny claims.

JMO...........I don't think Duke looked the other way. Keep in mind how big they are and I bet it didn't even show up on anyone's radar. But with the improvements, with the press coverage someone within Duke that cared, might have said.............Holy cow, we have a hiway going thru our property.

Good question on insurance.............some policies deny coverage during illegal acts.

This is such a fun thread.

[looneycat]

If Walmart, Aldies, & Lowes would just agree to pay that % of revenue to TV that the other merchants do, we'd have none of these problems on that side of the road.

Personally, I'd be willing to pay an extra annual fee to TV for a Golf Cart sticker to have access to that Walmart etc. and a maintained path. It's always about $, so a reasonable fee for TV residents and the other communities would probably make everybody happy and a little more money in the Morse family's coffers which is always important. You know the merchants love the business and those that use it wouldn't mind a small fee. Not so different than a toll or paying for parking.

Instead, we have to pretend it's about all these other issues when it's just profits. No different than paying a parking fee. For that matter, why not sell access to TV amenities for the surrounding communities as well? No different than joining a country club. Price it high enough so that you don't get riffraff and make money to boot. Keeps the monthly fee for TV residents lower too. Problems solved!

sorry, no!

[Allegiance]

Interesting observation. Could be some credence in this theory if both ends of the path were not posted. Do you know if the no trespass signs are at both the Walmart and Aldi's ends (i.e. a total of 4 signs)?
I did go thru the path today. The signs on both ends are far from the entrances (at least 150 feet on one end, at least 50 feet on other) and It's obvious to me and the others going thru that the six signs total are meant to keep people off the facilities operational areas. That one line newspaper did no research and got the purpose of the signs wrong and they were very wrong on the signs location. Thank you mods for deleting the looney posts from uninterested parties. Please consider a ban.http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160818/399d6b50aa3c6dfff124caf1acc69bf5.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160818/ddf0f452ae5e337057fe9a1ffeba55e6.jpg

[graciegirl]

What are these pictures of?

[Allegiance]

What are these pictures of?
1st picture entrance to path from Aldi, no signs in site,

2nd picture just beyond same entrance, if you look way down , end of fence on right you can see a sign, but not even a hawk can read it until you get much closer.

Thank you Gracie, I forgot to describe pictures. Will post more pics with descriptions.

[aln]

with the way people park around here I doubt a sign will keep anyone off the path

[Allegiance]

1st picture entrance to path from Aldi, no signs in site,

2nd picture just beyond same entrance, if you look way down , end of fence on right you can see a sign, but not even a hawk can read it until you get much closer.

Thank you Gracie, I forgot to describe pictures. Will post more pics with descriptions.
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160818/4daa3faed85d3ca5fe614c719ddddfbd.jpg

Picture coming from Walmart, signs are closer to this path entrance, about 50 feet. Notice mph sign in middle of no trespassing signs on either side of path.

[Fred R]

Aw hell, I'm still goin' until someone puts up a fence!

[Allegiance]

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[chuckinca]

I have no dog in this fight, but did anyone get permission first, to " clean up" the path? Bringing heavy equipment doesn't seem right. As in many states, there may even a law that if you use land for a number of years it becomes a right of way.


The cart path from Paradise Drive to Walmart has been in use for over 15 years by Villages and Stonecrest residents until the developer reinstalled the cart gate that was removed by order of the Town of Lady Lake many years ago.

The cart paths in the roadways are public roads not MMP's.
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[ColdNoMore]

Aw hell, I'm still goin' until someone puts up a fence!

:1rotfl:


As I mentioned previously, if they really didn't want anyone using this trail it would only take about 30 minutes with a backhoe to make it totally inaccessible.

Which leads me to believe, the signs were put there purely to try and cover themselves legally. :shrug:

[NoMoSno]

Let's hope no one defaces or removes the signs.
That will be the quickest way to get Duke to fence it again....

[chuckinca]

:1rotfl:


As I mentioned previously, if they really didn't want anyone using this trail it would only take a bout 30 minutes with a backhoe to make it totally inaccessible.

Which leads me to believe, the signs were put there purely to try and cover themselves legally. :shrug:

I believe it was last year that Duke installed a fence that blocked access. Believe it was taken down by them the same day.

Why the sign and not a new fence?

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[justjim]

Apparently none of the posters on this Thread are current customers of Duke Energy. If you are, call them for an interpretation of the posted signs. Let us know what you find out.

[ColdNoMore]

Apparently none of the posters on this Thread are current customers of Duke Energy. If you are, call them for an interpretation of the posted signs. Let us know what you find out.

I would advise against that.

The only thing 'they' can tell you (if 'they' are smart)...is that the signs speak for themselves.

I think the smarter course of action would be for those who use it, to continue to do so, keep quiet and wait until such time (if it happens) until access is physically blocked...or folks start getting tickets.

Sleeping dogs and all that.

That's my $.02 on it. :shrug:

[Allegiance]

Duke has great lawyers, under no circumstances will they tell people "go ahead use your golf carts across our property." They will close it off one day a year or when necessary to avoid adverse possession.

[Allegiance]

I would advise against that.

The only thing 'they' can tell you (if 'they' are smart)...is that the signs speak for themselves.

I think the smarter course of action would be for those who use it, to continue to do so, keep quiet and wait until such time (if it happens) until access is physically blocked...or folks start getting tickets.

Sleeping dogs and all that.

That's my $.02 on it. :shrug:
I agree, from now on I treat this like "fight club."

[Cajulian]

I believe it was last year that Duke installed a fence that blocked access. Believe it was taken down by them the same day.

Why the sign and not a new fence?

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Duke has never installed a fence and then taken it down. The only wall that was put up was where the gate now sits at Paradise. The wall was forced to be taken down within a few days of it being put up. Villagers protested in Spanish Springs that year and the wall came down.

[graciegirl]

Duke has never installed a fence and then taken it down. The only wall that was put up was where the gate now sits at Paradise. The wall was forced to be taken down within a few days of it being put up. Villagers protested in Spanish Springs that year and the wall came down.

Well...The wall is still there and it has a reading device that allows Villagers in and out and everyone else is allowed out if they are driving a golf cart except for those who live on the outside with street legal carts.

[NoMoSno]

Duke has never installed a fence and then taken it down. The only wall that was put up was where the gate now sits at Paradise. The wall was forced to be taken down within a few days of it being put up. Villagers protested in Spanish Springs that year and the wall came down.
Yes, in 2012 it was fenced.
https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/breaking-news-progress-energy-blocks-golf-cart-access-wal-mart-63484/?highlight=duke+energy

[chuckinca]

Well...The wall is still there and it has a reading device that allows Villagers in and out and everyone else is allowed out if they are driving a golf cart except for those who live on the outside with street legal carts.


The wall isn't still there.

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[rubicon]

Agreed. The sign not going to stop traffic. Done to protect against lawsuits When someone tried to sue, they'll have ace in they're pocket. Only way to stop traffic would be gate and lock.

Signs only stop law bidding people or people that's not special.

topspinmo: Perhaps the no trespassing sign is the first step? Posters may not be aware that this act is to make it clear as to the status of people as either invitees or trespassers. By virtue of the fact that people have been using this trail for years without such a notice posted Duke energy maybe in the position of acting as if they accepted golf cart drivers as invitees. So they decide for liability purposes to post the no trespassing sign. If the abuse continues then perhaps they will go to the next step and erect a gate.

I really can't blame them because Energy Companies are a huge target for lawsuits. Let me give you an actual case. A thief was trying to extract copper from a utility station got electrified lost two arms and a jury awarded him millions

Posters here are demanding rights they do not really have due to their personal circumstances. How far should one go to accommodate? We all make choices and if we do not want to live with them then decisions have to be made.

when I first got here I was at a deli when I guy approached me and asked if I lived in TV. I said yes and he literally laughed in my face and said I bought in Stonecrest got a better deal, etc and still got the villages lifestyle. I'll admit that conversation stuck in my crawl.

A poster mentioned that villagers are welcome to Stonecrest. Of course who is going to turn down business. Stonecrest people have access to anything in the village commercial district..its public Its the remainder that's in question and paid for exclusively by residents of TV and that's were the rub comes in

Resident pay premium prices for homes and incur monthly fees to live here. they made their choice and as the community grows so does the crowding. Come September morning that reality is going to begin to hit us in the face again.

[dewilson58]

The wall isn't still there.

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The card reader. The card reader. This limits access "like" a wall.

Duh.

[JoelJohnson]

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160818/4daa3faed85d3ca5fe614c719ddddfbd.jpg

Picture coming from Walmart, signs are closer to this path entrance, about 50 feet. Notice mph sign in middle of no trespassing signs on either side of path.

I think the signs are there to keep people ON the path and away from the other property. The fenced in area should be safe, unless someone climbs the fence. The other property is easy to get to, but I doubt they want anyone near it because of the power station.

[PennBF]

What the heck. We drove our cart to Lowe's yesterday, over the cart path. There were no signs and nothing has changed? Where are the signs everybody is talking about. Gate worked fine.:ho:

[Riccckkk]

This is the path between Aldies and Walmart, not the one on the path on the way to Lowes.

[looneycat]

I think the signs are there to keep people ON the path and away from the other property. The fenced in area should be safe, unless someone climbs the fence. The other property is easy to get to, but I doubt they want anyone near it because of the power station.

no trespassing is not a keep on the path sign. tickets are not the usual result, arrests are.

[justjim]

I think the signs are there to keep people ON the path and away from the other property. The fenced in area should be safe, unless someone climbs the fence. The other property is easy to get to, but I doubt they want anyone near it because of the power station.

There you have it. As thoughtful an explanation as we are going to get. Fore!

[Barefoot]

I think the signs are there to keep people ON the path and away from the other property.

no trespassing is not a keep on the path sign. tickets are not the usual result, arrests are.

If they wanted to allow open access, wouldn't Duke have posted "Keep on the Path" signs rather than "No Trespassing" signs?

[outlaw]

There you have it. As thoughtful an explanation as we are going to get. Fore!

Thoughtful...hmmm. Wishful...definitely.

[silvertoken]

61597


Stonecrest would simply like what was advertised when you buy a house here.

[rubicon]

Without a sign posted people entering duke energy property who are not invitees are then classified as trespassers. An invitee is a customer, a supplier, etc if you have no business there then you are trespassing. the posting of the sign only solidifies that fact and in event of a lawsuit closes that questionable gap.

One poster made mention of the roads in TV as being public and hence cart paths also. what he was referring do was the diamond lanes that run parallel to the public roads. The multi-modal paths are private however. Again I say the bone of contention on this issue is simply a matter of geography. Everyone has access to the commercial districts public squares restaurants shops ,etc. However the difference of opinion is directed at the individual districts 1-11 + and the cart paths used as access.

We each make our economic choices. Some are pleased some have buyers remorse but others shouldn't have to suffer because of others poor or not well reasoned decisions. Its called life

[silvertoken]

The Best explaination
James Radatz says on Thevillages-news.com

August 16, 2016 at 10:56
The path is north of the historic side, between ALDI and Walmart. The path is used daily by about 200 carts, mostly of which are TV residents going to Walmart, $Tree and other businesses including restaurants, auto parts store, Humana, doctors offices etc, located on the west side of 441. All accessed by using this path as only one piece of their daily route. Spruce Creek and Stonecrest residents get to Aldi, Lowes, Doctor offices etc, located South of this path. Hopefully, the signs were posted as a C.Y.A. for Duke.

[Allegiance]

The Best explaination
James Radatz says on Thevillages-news.com

August 16, 2016 at 10:56
The path is north of the historic side, between ALDI and Walmart. The path is used daily by about 200 carts, mostly of which are TV residents going to Walmart, $Tree and other businesses including restaurants, auto parts store, Humana, doctors offices etc, located on the west side of 441. All accessed by using this path as only one piece of their daily route. Spruce Creek and Stonecrest residents get to Aldi, Lowes, Doctor offices etc, located South of this path. Hopefully, the signs were posted as a C.Y.A. for Duke.

"other businesses including restaurants, auto parts store, Humana, doctors offices etc, located on the west side of 441."

How do you get west of 441?

[chuckinca]

Walmart, $Tree and other businesses including restaurants, auto parts store, Humana, doctors offices etc, located on the west side of 441.

These places are all on the NorthEAST side of 441/27 -
(There are restaurants and doctor offices on both sides of the road but only the ones on he east side are cart accessible.)

The poster made a minor direction error.

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[Allegiance]

Thanks. It's news to me, I did not realize there were more stores past the dollar store! I thought that other path went to that other development stonesomething

[chuckinca]

There is a cart path between Walmart and the Dollar Store that goes to a Stonecrest residents cart gate.

There is a road mainly owned by the Stonecrest developer between the Dollar Store and the Murphy (Walmart) gas station the goes parallel to 441 for about a half mile that has many businesses on it. At one intersection with a stop light on 441 residents of Spruce Creek South have obtained State, Marion County and Stonecrest permission to cross 441 in carts and use the road to get to Walmart etc.

[Allegiance]

There is a cart path between Walmart and the Dollar Store that goes to a Stonecrest residents cart gate.

There is a road between the Dollar Store and the Murphy (Walmart) gas station the goes parallel to 441 for about a half mile that has many businesses on it. At one intersection with a stop light on 441 residents of Spruce Creek South have obtained State and Marion County permission to cross 441 in carts.
Can villagers access that area and cross 441?

[NoMoSno]

Can villagers access that area and cross 441?
Yes, If you want to enter Spruce Creek, for golf.

[Allegiance]

Yes, If you want to enter Spruce Creek, for golf.
So hypothetically you say you are entering for golf, then you can access the other stores, auto parts etc and cross 441?

What is across 441?

Sorry for all the questions. ;) thank you

[NoMoSno]

So hypothetically you say you are entering for golf, then you can access the other stores, auto parts etc and cross 441?
You can leave SCS, but would need to cross back at Mc Donalds, 441
Street legal, no problem.
There is no Auto Parts store on the west side.

[Allegiance]

With a non street legal cart is it possible for a villager to access the autoparts or cross 441?

[NoMoSno]

With a non street legal cart is it possible for a villager to access the autoparts or cross 441?
Until Duke fences the Walmart path again, Yes.
The auto parts store is on the east side, no need to cross 441.

[chuckinca]

Spruce Creek South has a vehicle gate that accesses the stores on the west side of 441 by McDonalds, CVS, Sam St John, Office Depot, 441 Urgent Care, doctor offices, etc. There are designated parking spaces in that shopping area for carts but I haven't ever seen a cart in one.

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[NoMoSno]

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[chuckinca]

Plenty of interest in the cart path to/from 441 Walmart etc.

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[asianthree]

Plenty of interest in the cart path to/from 441 Walmart etc.

150 replies and 9,992 views in 5 days!

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Lots of readers, not many reply's.

[Barefoot]

Lots of readers, not many reply's. 150 replies = a very active thread. :posting:
Number of page views may be the same people checking for new responses.

[Allegiance]

The bottom line is, it has been business as usual on the paths. Might be time to close the thread.

I propose the rules of the Walmart path.....

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[sdeikenberry]

I wouldn't hold my breath on that. They don't want us going over there anyway! Remember the wall?
I don't think it's them not wanting us to go over there, I think its them not wanting non-villagers coming over here...that's the reason for the wall IMHO.

[nicoletta]

I would not worry about the trail closing for the following reasons.
1) recent paved trail would indicate further long term use expected
2) I observed no trespassing sign on the left of the entrance into Wally- world ( heading North) the signs were positioned to avoid I believe anyone entering onto Duke property OFF the trail..then a couple of days later I observed that those signs were removed and a new sign metal pole on left heading south , a more permanent sign fixture stating No trespassing that looks to avoid anyone from entering the trail not just the Duke property , so I understand the confusion. as the new sign appears more prohibited. now the scoop. is as follows .. Wal-Mart owns the retention pond and the property , and the trail.. spoken to me by management whom I know..
furthermore
a person has died from entering the Duke property and was electro0cuted to death and this may be a contributor .. also note I have been on this property many many times at night and know that there is a camper that has been there for at least 6 months not continuous but the better part of six months .. amazing what you see when you walk I observed light from cell phone thru tent and investigated and there was a campers couple and that was six months ago and they have remained
so if you think that Duke was serious ..wouldn't they remove the camper tent know as tent city by Wal-Mart that is actually on Duke property,cute comments though trail will remain I am very sure

[graciegirl]

I would not worry about the trail closing for the following reasons.
1) recent paved trail would indicate further long term use expected
2) I observed no trespassing sign on the left of the entrance into Wally- world ( heading North) the signs were positioned to avoid I believe anyone entering onto Duke property OFF the trail..then a couple of days later I observed that those signs were removed and a new sign metal pole on left heading south , a more permanent sign fixture stating No trespassing that looks to avoid anyone from entering the trail not just the Duke property , so I understand the confusion. as the new sign appears more prohibited. now the scoop. is as follows .. furthermore
a person has died from entering the Duke property and was electro0cuted to death and this may be a co Walntributor .. also note I have been on this property many many times at night and know that there is a camper that has been there for at least 6 months not-WalMart owns the retention pond and the property , and the trail.. spoken to me by management whom I know..
continuous but the better part of six months .. amazing what you see when you walk I observed light from cell phone thru tent and investigated and there was a campers couple and that was six months ago and they have remained
so if you think that Duke was serious ..wouldn't they remove the camper tent know as tent city by Wal-Mart that is actually on Duke property,cute comments though trail will remain I am very sure

Someone died by electrocution on Duke property and we didn't hear about it?

[nicoletta]

yes they blew out the power to Wal-Mart at 2;33 am when it happened

[Allegiance]

yes they blew out the power to Wal-Mart at 2;33 am when it happened
I would love to see a link to that story. How did that stay under the radar?

[OhioBuckeye]

I would say they should count there blessings by not having anything happening on their property. You know how sue happy some people are or what some slick lawyer will try to talk someone into something, it only takes one. The Villages are kind of at fault for this too because if The Villages would of bought a right of way we would be still driving to Walmart!

[Allegiance]

I think we need a new thread. No? My phone is going crazy with notifications about updates on path thread.

[TVMayor]

I think we need a new thread. No? My phone is going crazy with notifications about updates on path thread.
Your phone is going crazy? Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?