Trumps debt ?

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Donald Trump on Monday shrugged off a New York Times report that detailed at least $650 million in debt among the various companies that Trump owns, suggesting that it is comparably low when the total value of his business empire is taken into consideration.

"Well, the value — if the value is $11 billion, it's a very small amount of debt," the Republican nominee told "Fox & Friends" in a telephone interview. "I have very little debt relative to the assets. I have massive assets."

Trump continued, "Compared to my assets, I think I have less than 5 percent or so in debt, which is a very low debt."

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So what is the big deal?

Do you have any idea how much DEBT is held by most small businesses?

Are you aware of the enoormous amounts of debt held by most fortune 500 companies for various financial reasons?

The media or the party is really reaching to the uninformed with this one......no different than most they reach for.

Desparation is a terrible malady!!

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So what is the big deal?

Do you have any idea how much DEBT is held by most small businesses?

Are you aware of the enoormous amounts of debt held by most fortune 500 companies for various financial reasons?

The media or the party is really reaching to the uninformed with this one......no different than most they reach for.

Desparation is a terrible malady!!

Desparation is a terrible malady!

I will be quoting you!

They try to turn an incredible debt to asset ratio into a negative and then repeat it .

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So what is the big deal?

Do you have any idea how much DEBT is held by most small businesses?

Are you aware of the enoormous amounts of debt held by most fortune 500 companies for various financial reasons?

The media or the party is really reaching to the uninformed with this one......no different than most they reach for.

Desparation is a terrible malady!!

Lets see....the President of the United States deep in debt to foreign banks, and you see no problem with that !!!

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Donald Trump on Monday shrugged off a New York Times report that detailed at least $650 million in debt among the various companies that Trump owns, suggesting that it is comparably low when the total value of his business empire is taken into consideration.

"Well, the value — if the value is $11 billion, it's a very small amount of debt," the Republican nominee told "Fox & Friends" in a telephone interview. "I have very little debt relative to the assets. I have massive assets."

Trump continued, "Compared to my assets, I think I have less than 5 percent or so in debt, which is a very low debt."

You do not have a clue about the use of debt in corporate finance . Try educating yourself before you jump into a subject you clearly know nothing about .

No legitimate Real Estate Developer would desire to be debt free . Chew on that for a while because it is factual .

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You do not have a clue about the use of debt in corporate finance . Try educating yourself before you jump into a subject you clearly know nothing about .

No legitimate Real Estate Developer would desire to be debt free . Chew on that for a while because it is factual .

"Chewing" and wondering if you have any problems with the President of the United States being personally deep in debt to foreign banks ?

I will try to get educated but at least make us feel better and tell us that our President being deep in debt to a foreign country makes no difference whatsoever.

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You do not have a clue about the use of debt in corporate finance . Try educating yourself before you jump into a subject you clearly know nothing about .

No legitimate Real Estate Developer would desire to be debt free . Chew on that for a while because it is factual .

Since you appear to be the educated one here, can you supply for my education how you know the true value of his corporation since all we know is what he says !

Boy, this dumb guy would love to see his tax returns. Am I just being so stupid here, but he said he would release what was not under audit and now we know that past years have been released, yet he still refuses. Oh and his campaign manager who used to work for Cruz wanted them BUT NOT NOW. She said since you got on the inside of Trump campaign she learned a lot and now advises him not to release anything at any time.

Again, I know you are smarter but since no candidate except Gerald Ford, who assumed the office, has released them, am I just being silly in wondering why ?

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Still waiting for one fact about trump that is worse than Hillarys factual past. Just one.

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O, I am sorry, he has too little debt, must be evil.


Are you serious? What's next, what's next, what's next......hmmmmp

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O, I am sorry, he has too little debt, must be evil.


Are you serious? What's next, what's next, what's next......hmmmmp

Now see I was relying on you being the intelligent one here and making me feel better about the President of the United States being deep in debt to a foreign country, but you went ahead and just skipped it. I suppose it is difficult for someone at your level to even talk to us dumbies.

Oh, and by the way Trump Univ I suppose is nothing to worry about either. Conning people is an acceptable trait for a President I suppose.

Listen I am relying on you to clarify a lot of this....like this recent ad of Trumps which touts illegal immigrants receiving Social Security, which as intelligent guy like you already know is a LIE but see how that confuses us dumb people.

There is much more but you seem to have lost patience with us dumb people and will not even discuss certain things.

I know he is your hero....did you cheat on your wives publicy and mock existing wife ?......maybe you share that or some other trait that makes you defend his immoral and abhorent behavior like labeling anyone who disagrees with him with a cute little playground name usually referring to their appearance or ethnicity.

But again, you are the educated one here, so we learn at your feet and just trying to settle what I thought was elementary school behavior but I will tell my grandchildren who cannot even listen to him because of language and hatred that this very intelligent guy said it was ok

I will advise my children and grandchildren that it appears, despite our supposed free press, that pulling credentials of those who disagree with us is just fine and have you read his tweets of this morning where he enters the rumor pages of the tabloids discussing a tv show.

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Now see I was relying on you being the intelligent one here and making me feel better about the President of the United States being deep in debt to a foreign country, but you went ahead and just skipped it. I suppose it is difficult for someone at your level to even talk to us dumbies.

Oh, and by the way Trump Univ I suppose is nothing to worry about either. Conning people is an acceptable trait for a President I suppose.

Listen I am relying on you to clarify a lot of this....like this recent ad of Trumps which touts illegal immigrants receiving Social Security, which as intelligent guy like you already know is a LIE but see how that confuses us dumb people.

There is much more but you seem to have lost patience with us dumb people and will not even discuss certain things.

I know he is your hero....did you cheat on your wives publicy and mock existing wife ?......maybe you share that or some other trait that makes you defend his immoral and abhorent behavior like labeling anyone who disagrees with him with a cute little playground name usually referring to their appearance or ethnicity.

But again, you are the educated one here, so we learn at your feet and just trying to settle what I thought was elementary school behavior but I will tell my grandchildren who cannot even listen to him because of language and hatred that this very intelligent guy said it was ok

I will advise my children and grandchildren that it appears, despite our supposed free press, that pulling credentials of those who disagree with us is just fine and have you read his tweets of this morning where he enters the rumor pages of the tabloids discussing a tv show.

Are you totally ignorant or just blind?

Instead of going into all the cr@p you are slinging, I will ask you one question, which I am sure you will decline to answer:

Read all of your comment and then tell me what you plan to tell your grandchildren about Hillary Clinton. Or for that matter, any Clinton.

I think that once you put the two on a morality/ethics scale, you will find out which one tips it.

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Now see I was relying on you being the intelligent one here and making me feel better about the President of the United States being deep in debt to a foreign country, but you went ahead and just skipped it. I suppose it is difficult for someone at your level to even talk to us dumbies.

Oh, and by the way Trump Univ I suppose is nothing to worry about either. Conning people is an acceptable trait for a President I suppose.

Listen I am relying on you to clarify a lot of this....like this recent ad of Trumps which touts illegal immigrants receiving Social Security, which as intelligent guy like you already know is a LIE but see how that confuses us dumb people.

There is much more but you seem to have lost patience with us dumb people and will not even discuss certain things.

I know he is your hero....did you cheat on your wives publicy and mock existing wife ?......maybe you share that or some other trait that makes you defend his immoral and abhorent behavior like labeling anyone who disagrees with him with a cute little playground name usually referring to their appearance or ethnicity.

But again, you are the educated one here, so we learn at your feet and just trying to settle what I thought was elementary school behavior but I will tell my grandchildren who cannot even listen to him because of language and hatred that this very intelligent guy said it was ok

I will advise my children and grandchildren that it appears, despite our supposed free press, that pulling credentials of those who disagree with us is just fine and have you read his tweets of this morning where he enters the rumor pages of the tabloids discussing a tv show.

You are addressing different people . Now for your response about debt owed by Commercial Real Estate Corporations to foreign or domestic banks .
1] Foreign banks making loans to properties on US soil must comply to all of the US banking , finance and tax regulations .They must conform to US accounting codes .

2] Bank loans for commercial real estate are made against the value of the real estate . IE they are secured just like a home mortgage .

3] It would make no difference if the bank loans were coming from a US Chartered Bank or the US based operations of a bank which ultimately has foreign owners .

4] It is a long standing requirement that by the day of Inauguration every US President must put all of their financial holdings into a " Blind Trust " to be controlled and operated by an independent " Trustee " .

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You do not have a clue about the use of debt in corporate finance . .

Do you realize your responding to a NY Times quote:1rotfl:

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Are you totally ignorant or just blind?

Instead of going into all the cr@p you are slinging, I will ask you one question, which I am sure you will decline to answer:

Read all of your comment and then tell me what you plan to tell your grandchildren about Hillary Clinton. Or for that matter, any Clinton.

I think that once you put the two on a morality/ethics scale, you will find out which one tips it.

Ok....first I am not blind (have cataracts however) and according to you, I AM ignorant (although you seem to apply that to all users here).

I got confused and must apologize. I thought this thread was about Trump debts, and here you go with Clinton.

As I have said many times before, I will never support Clinton, vote for Clinton in anyway. Do I need to repeat that ?

My amazement is the defense of Trump, a validated immoral man, a man who is actually worse than a compulsive liar; a number of psychiatric articles written in the last months had called him much worse, a serial cheater on wives, which makes him sort of sleazy in my book, a man who refuses to divulge information to the voters like his taxes and expect us to take his word (see comment on his psychological problems with lying), a man who still must answer for his con job called Trump U, a man who reduces any disagreement with him to be personal and thus opens you for PERSONAL immature attacks, who obviously prefers the National Enquirer (who he constantly touts) as his go to newspaper, whose interests are pretty much about HIM, not the country, who espouses policies that would throw our economic system into chaos (sorry, I DO realize how smart you are but I do read a bit), whose foreign policy aspirations would leave our country on an island at a time in history where they is the worst place to be.

I could go on and on about him.

BUT, you now have switched gears to Clinton and despite what you think, I have nothing good to say, except maybe that she has at least devoted her life to public service, much unlike Trump whose serves himself only.

I will vote for neither and as far as what I will tell my grandchildren about the Clintons, I will tell them the truth, some good and some bad. I will need to censor some of it a bit, unlike censoring most of Trump.

I will also tell them that the Clintons were involved in an election in 2016 which is a total embarassment for the country. That she was one of 2 morally corrupt people running for office.

Since you are enamored with Trump but always want to talk about Clinton, I will bid you adieu unless you continue your condescending talking down, because like Trump always said....a better counter puncher, but I cannot publicy ridicule you like he does.

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You are addressing different people . Now for your response about debt owed by Commercial Real Estate Corporations to foreign or domestic banks .
1] Foreign banks making loans to properties on US soil must comply to all of the US banking , finance and tax regulations .They must conform to US accounting codes .

2] Bank loans for commercial real estate are made against the value of the real estate . IE they are secured just like a home mortgage .

3] It would make no difference if the bank loans were coming from a US Chartered Bank or the US based operations of a bank which ultimately has foreign owners .

4] It is a long standing requirement that by the day of Inauguration every US President must put all of their financial holdings into a " Blind Trust " to be controlled and operated by an independent " Trustee " .

On point number 4, which is the only one that concerns me, you are actually incorrect....

"As president, Trump would not be required to sell any of his investments or businesses. The U.S. Financial Conflict of Interest Statute prohibits unelected officials of the executive branch from holding stakes in assets that would conflict with their ability to properly do their jobs.

For example, former Goldman Sachs CEO Hank Paulson sold off his company stock before he became Treasury Secretary in 2006.
Executive branch officials also are prohibited from earning income from their businesses and must abide by strict impartiality rules.
But Congress decided not to apply those restrictions to the president or vice president. They have to disclose their holdings, but they don't have to disown them.

So Donald Trump could be president without selling his businesses."


Trump's 500 businesses would pose 'unprecedented ethical dilemma' - Mar. 16, 2016 (http://money.cnn.com/2016/03/16/news/companies/donald-trump-ethics/)

This is quite an interesting article actually and if you really want to know what is happening worth a read.

I might tell you that there are in fact "rumors" from unnamed source at NBC, that Trump has already pitched the idea of a Celebrity Apprentice in the White House. Now he wont because NBC is disgusted with the man, but it certainly tells you what is important to this person.

"when Trump first considered running for president, back in 2011, he spoke to NBCUniversal chief executive Steve Burke about continuing The Apprentice… from within the Oval Office.

[A] person with knowledge of the situation noted that the two men had a conversation in which they broached a compromise, albeit one that seems more like a Trumpian fever dream than a network-TV reality. It outlined, presumably fantastically, that Trump should run for president; and on the off chance that he won, he would continue to star in The Apprentice from within the White House. (Via)"

Donald Trump Thought He Could Star In ‘The Apprentice’ As President (http://uproxx.com/news/donald-trump-president-apprentice/)

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I will borrow that mantra that Trump uses on Clinton a lot...you ...."where there is smoke there must be fire"...regarding emails and her health and all other conspiracy theories (much like the birther thing, or Cruz's father in the JFK thing)...

But with Trumps campaign manager being closely associated, and by closely I mean CLOSELY with managing campaigns in Ukraine, having financial interest in the millions there, and Trumps proposals to dismantle NATO which would make Putin happier than any man could be, and his very friendly remarks about Russia and Putin, who have been anything but friendly to USA...

Would that not make Trumps tax returns interesting ?

Imagine if those foreign debts are in Russia ?

..wink..wink...we KNOW he strongly solicited money from there.

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Do you realize your responding to a NY Times quote:1rotfl:

The New York Times Banking and Finance Beat Writers used to call me once in a while for a quote .

How about you . What recognized authority sought you out for input ?

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The New York Times Banking and Finance Beat Writers used to call me once in a while for a quote .

How about you . What recognized authority sought you out for input ?

Oh by the way the Times were not the only publication to seek input from me . Also The Wall Street Journal , The American Banker and Money Magazine to list a few .

So again who sought out your financial insights ?

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Oh by the way the Times were not the only publication to seek input from me . Also The Wall Street Journal , The American Banker and Money Magazine to list a few .

So again who sought out your financial insights ?

Hell, my wife doesn't listen to me !

Amazing with all the misinformation you have presented and the questions you run from, I can see why it is USED TO BE.

Me, I am just a dumb old guy who reads both sides of every question, and learns at the feet of people like you who are so intelligent..

But you are letting me down by avoiding and misinforming.

Did you ever find yourself asked for comment by Trumps paper...the National Enquirer ?

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Ok....first I am not blind (have cataracts however) and according to you, I AM ignorant (although you seem to apply that to all users here).

I got confused and must apologize. I thought this thread was about Trump debts, and here you go with Clinton.

As I have said many times before, I will never support Clinton, vote for Clinton in anyway. Do I need to repeat that ?

My amazement is the defense of Trump, a validated immoral man, a man who is actually worse than a compulsive liar; a number of psychiatric articles written in the last months had called him much worse, a serial cheater on wives, which makes him sort of sleazy in my book, a man who refuses to divulge information to the voters like his taxes and expect us to take his word (see comment on his psychological problems with lying), a man who still must answer for his con job called Trump U, a man who reduces any disagreement with him to be personal and thus opens you for PERSONAL immature attacks, who obviously prefers the National Enquirer (who he constantly touts) as his go to newspaper, whose interests are pretty much about HIM, not the country, who espouses policies that would throw our economic system into chaos (sorry, I DO realize how smart you are but I do read a bit), whose foreign policy aspirations would leave our country on an island at a time in history where they is the worst place to be.

I could go on and on about him.

BUT, you now have switched gears to Clinton and despite what you think, I have nothing good to say, except maybe that she has at least devoted her life to public service, much unlike Trump whose serves himself only.

I will vote for neither and as far as what I will tell my grandchildren about the Clintons, I will tell them the truth, some good and some bad. I will need to censor some of it a bit, unlike censoring most of Trump.

I will also tell them that the Clintons were involved in an election in 2016 which is a total embarassment for the country. That she was one of 2 morally corrupt people running for office.

Since you are enamored with Trump but always want to talk about Clinton, I will bid you adieu unless you continue your condescending talking down, because like Trump always said....a better counter puncher, but I cannot publicy ridicule you like he does.

And are you not amazed as well that the shriek called Clinton is still in the race?

Her bad deeds amke the worst of anybody else look saintly.

Trump did not betray his country...or lie to congress....or caused lives of Americans to be lost and many more in jeopardy.

A clinton good day would be much worse than Trump or anybody elses worst day(s).

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By the way, with your high rating in the financial world, you must know Warren Buffett...bet you are angry at him for calling out Trump in his taxes.

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On point number 4, which is the only one that concerns me, you are actually incorrect....

"As president, Trump would not be required to sell any of his investments or businesses. The U.S. Financial Conflict of Interest Statute prohibits unelected officials of the executive branch from holding stakes in assets that would conflict with their ability to properly do their jobs.

For example, former Goldman Sachs CEO Hank Paulson sold off his company stock before he became Treasury Secretary in 2006.
Executive branch officials also are prohibited from earning income from their businesses and must abide by strict impartiality rules.
But Congress decided not to apply those restrictions to the president or vice president. They have to disclose their holdings, but they don't have to disown them.

So Donald Trump could be president without selling his businesses."


Trump's 500 businesses would pose 'unprecedented ethical dilemma' - Mar. 16, 2016 (http://money.cnn.com/2016/03/16/news/companies/donald-trump-ethics/)

This is quite an interesting article actually and if you really want to know what is happening worth a read.

I might tell you that there are in fact "rumors" from unnamed source at NBC, that Trump has already pitched the idea of a Celebrity Apprentice in the White House. Now he wont because NBC is disgusted with the man, but it certainly tells you what is important to this person.

"when Trump first considered running for president, back in 2011, he spoke to NBCUniversal chief executive Steve Burke about continuing The Apprentice… from within the Oval Office.

[A] person with knowledge of the situation noted that the two men had a conversation in which they broached a compromise, albeit one that seems more like a Trumpian fever dream than a network-TV reality. It outlined, presumably fantastically, that Trump should run for president; and on the off chance that he won, he would continue to star in The Apprentice from within the White House. (Via)"

Donald Trump Thought He Could Star In ‘The Apprentice’ As President (http://uproxx.com/news/donald-trump-president-apprentice/)

Sorry Sir but you are incorrect . Presidents can and do place their financial interests into a " Blind Trust " which means that they give up control and any knowledge of any changes to their investments
during their time in office . Their interests are managed by a Fiduciary known as an Independent Trustee .
However prior to entering office they can divest themselves of some or all of their investment holdings.
And they can undertake a combination of the two .

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And are you not amazed as well that the shriek called Clinton is still in the race?

Her bad deeds amke the worst of anybody else look saintly.

Trump did not betray his country...or lie to congress....or caused lives of Americans to be lost and many more in jeopardy.

A clinton good day would be much worse than Trump or anybody elses worst day(s).

Can you never stay on subject. Are you trying to have me defend Clinton, which I can't, except to say ALL your charges are unproven, simply strong charges.

It appears you have grown tired of the thread subject, and want to attack instead of actually discuss.

You can defend Trump as much as you like. He is still a secretive, vile human being, and I can validate as you know...all.

You, along with others who either ARE uninformed or WANT to STAY uninformed, choose to turn anyone who has a real, valid fear of Donald Trump into a Clinton supporter. Very shallow

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Sorry Sir but you are incorrect . Presidents can and do place their financial interests into a " Blind Trust " which means that they give up control and any knowledge of any changes to their investments
during their time in office . Their interests are managed by a Fiduciary known as an Independent Trustee .
However prior to entering office they can divest themselves of some or all of their investment holdings.
And they can undertake a combination of the two .

CAN AND DO IS CORRECT.

You said they were required...they are not. Most do. Trump will not is my opinion

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CAN AND DO IS CORRECT.

You said they were required...they are not. Most do. Trump will not is my opinion

Thank you for the inside information . You might want to contact CNN or the NY Times with your insights .

:bigbow:

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Thank you for the inside information . You might want to contact CNN or the NY Times with your insights .

:bigbow:

"
in the context of conflict of interest regulation and avoidance. Initially, it should be noted
that there is no federal statute which expressly requires that particular federal officials
place assets into a “blind trust” upon entering public service with the Federal"

The Use of Blind Trusts by Federal Officials (http://congressionalresearch.com/RS21656/document.php)

It would facilitate any discussions if you actually read

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So what is your far Leftist point ? Do you expect that the Clinton Foundation which hands out a mere 10% of it`s intake will shut down and go away when Her Highness Hillary The Crooked Liar takes up her throne ?

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By the way, with your high rating in the financial world, you must know Warren Buffett...bet you are angry at him for calling out Trump in his taxes.

Actually when i was working Mr. Buffet purchased over 10% of the company I worked for .

Once each year in late January he would come to our Headquarters for an update on the our financial performance for the past year and a presentation of our Business Plan for the new year .

Once the presentations were completed each of the presenters was invited to sit with him for a group lunch . I was one of the presenters for several years .

Also one of my best friends is now the Chairman of a company which is 100% owned by Mr. Buffet .
And you sir ?

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"Chewing" and wondering if you have any problems with the President of the United States being personally deep in debt to foreign banks ?

I will try to get educated but at least make us feel better and tell us that our President being deep in debt to a foreign country makes no difference whatsoever.
I must be missing something. The President is personally deep in debt to foreign banks? Personally? Another point is who sets the debt limit?

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Actually when i was working Mr. Buffet purchased over 10% of the company I worked for .

Once each year in late January he would come to our Headquarters for an update on the our financial performance for the past year and a presentation of our Business Plan for the new year .

Once the presentations were completed each of the presenters was invited to sit with him for a group lunch . I was one of the presenters for several years .

Also one of my best friends is now the Chairman of a company which is 100% owned by Mr. Buffet .
And you sir ?

Listen, I haven't done "****ing contests" since maybe 8th grade.

You will need to find another to compare whatever's.

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You or someone else challenged me . And here is another one for you . When your girl was a US Senator I dealt directly with her and her assistants several times a year .

One particular year when I attended the major annual dinners in Washington as the guest of one of Mr. Buffet`s companies [ not the one I worked for ] your girl left the Dias when she spotted me and sat down in between courses and chatted me up for a while .
The more I saw of the inner workings of her office and her the lower my opinion .

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You or someone else challenged me . And here is another one for you . When your girl was a US Senator I dealt directly with her and her assistants several times a year .

One particular year when I attended the major annual dinners in Washington as the guest of one of Mr. Buffet`s companies [ not the one I worked for ] your girl left the Dias when she spotted me and sat down in between courses and chatted me up for a while .
The more I saw of the inner workings of her office and her the lower my opinion .

A piece of advice I fear you will not heed.....

The MORE you speak of yourself or shroud everything in "you", the LESS people listen.

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A piece of advice I fear you will not heed.....

The MORE you speak of yourself or shroud everything in "you", the LESS people listen.

Don`t listen or read . The fact is I only speak about my history in
100% true facts . I had a very interesting and long career .

Began as a Trainee out of my Undergrad days and worked my way up to very near the very top .

You and others call me out and then I have responded with the truth which you apparently do not like hearing about .
And besides why should I care what you and others on this site may think about me . You`re not writing me a paycheck and you are not my friend .
You and your crowd are just determined to finish off this Nation. I have no idea what you motives might be but I could never understand your rationale either .

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Don`t listen or read . The fact is I only speak about my history in
100% true facts . I had a very interesting and long career .

Began as a Trainee out of my Undergrad days and worked my way up to very near the very top .

You and others call me out and then I have responded with the truth which you apparently do not like hearing about .
And besides why should I care what you and others on this site may think about me . You`re not writing me a paycheck and you are not my friend .
You and your crowd are just determined to finish off this Nation. I have no idea what you motives might be but I could never understand your rationale either .

I do not call you out. I am here by hapinstance. I am trying to get some things done and was distracted by someone defending Donald Trump.

What I have noticed is that you simply ignore and do not respond when called on your errors. I also notice you make statements that are false..ie., saying the President must establish a blind trust...and most of those incorrect statements are preceded by you loudly patting yourself on the back.

I have met a lot of folks who insist they are ALWAYS correct, and baffle with BS by trying to dazzle with degrees, accomplishments, associates, etc.

None of this folks impressed me because most have a NEED to give their resume. I prefer to talk to people who still are learning, do not profess themselves, are willing to learn whether they be truck drivers, landscapers, servers, VP of companies, etc.

Everyone who posts here has credentials of some sort. Perhaps if you respected that, and posted without your inordinate and usual need to impress. Read and learn....respect yourself, but also respect those to whom you speak.

Trust me, especially on this particular forum....nobody cares about your education or past accomplishments. You are wasting your time bragging in here.

I just need to insure you know I will not be responding on here because it is fruitless. It serves a purpose but not for me. People, I don't think make fun of you...they instead do not care what you think of yourself.

To quote your hero in speaking to blacks over the heads of an all white audience...."what the hell do you have to lose"....try listening instead of lecturing.

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I do not call you out. I am here by hapinstance. I am trying to get some things done and was distracted by someone defending Donald Trump.

What I have noticed is that you simply ignore and do not respond when called on your errors. I also notice you make statements that are false..ie., saying the President must establish a blind trust...and most of those incorrect statements are preceded by you loudly patting yourself on the back.

I have met a lot of folks who insist they are ALWAYS correct, and baffle with BS by trying to dazzle with degrees, accomplishments, associates, etc.

None of this folks impressed me because most have a NEED to give their resume. I prefer to talk to people who still are learning, do not profess themselves, are willing to learn whether they be truck drivers, landscapers, servers, VP of companies, etc.

Everyone who posts here has credentials of some sort. Perhaps if you respected that, and posted without your inordinate and usual need to impress. Read and learn....respect yourself, but also respect those to whom you speak.

Trust me, especially on this particular forum....nobody cares about your education or past accomplishments. You are wasting your time bragging in here.

I just need to insure you know I will not be responding on here because it is fruitless. It serves a purpose but not for me. People, I don't think make fun of you...they instead do not care what you think of yourself.

To quote your hero in speaking to blacks over the heads of an all white audience...."what the hell do you have to lose"....try listening instead of lecturing.

1] I have no need to impress .
2] I do not come out and brag on this site
3] If you look back someone tried to insult me by saying in effect oh I suppose that you know Buffet . Well guess what I did .
So should I just ignore them and go away and suck my thumb or should I call them out .
4] I do not need to be lectured by you any more than you need to be lectured by me .
5] I may stand corrected on the " Blind Trust " issue however as I recall it has been the practice of each and every newly elected president sine Eisenhower .

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Hell, my wife doesn't listen to me !

Amazing with all the misinformation you have presented and the questions you run from, I can see why it is USED TO BE.

Me, I am just a dumb old guy who reads both sides of every question, and learns at the feet of people like you who are so intelligent..

But you are letting me down by avoiding and misinforming.

Did you ever find yourself asked for comment by Trumps paper...the National Enquirer ?

I do not call you out. I am here by hapinstance. I am trying to get some things done and was distracted by someone defending Donald Trump.

What I have noticed is that you simply ignore and do not respond when called on your errors. I also notice you make statements that are false..ie., saying the President must establish a blind trust...and most of those incorrect statements are preceded by you loudly patting yourself on the back.

I have met a lot of folks who insist they are ALWAYS correct, and baffle with BS by trying to dazzle with degrees, accomplishments, associates, etc.

None of this folks impressed me because most have a NEED to give their resume. I prefer to talk to people who still are learning, do not profess themselves, are willing to learn whether they be truck drivers, landscapers, servers, VP of companies, etc.

Everyone who posts here has credentials of some sort. Perhaps if you respected that, and posted without your inordinate and usual need to impress. Read and learn....respect yourself, but also respect those to whom you speak.

Trust me, especially on this particular forum....nobody cares about your education or past accomplishments. You are wasting your time bragging in here.

I just need to insure you know I will not be responding on here because it is fruitless. It serves a purpose but not for me. People, I don't think make fun of you...they instead do not care what you think of yourself.

To quote your hero in speaking to blacks over the heads of an all white audience...."what the hell do you have to lose"....try listening instead of lecturing.

Your posts are so easy to pick out, as they are written with intelligence and common sense beyond what is predominately seen in this forum from the 'rabid right.' :thumbup:

And no, I'm not saying everyone on the right is 'rabid'...just that it's easy to see which ones are.

While I will be voting for Clinton, I completely understand (and respect) your unwillingness to do so...as she is far from ideal.

Due to the current political party makeup however, if I chose not to vote for her I am scared chitless that Trump might actually win...which is something I couldn't live with myself should that happen.

Until such time as a true Centrist (economically a little right of center, socially a little to the left) becomes viable, I will pull the lever for Hillary while holding my nose.

I'm also impressed with the fact that you don't feel the need to try and impress others with your personal/educational/professional accomplishments as so many others and are willing to call out those who do...for the insecure people that they are.

I've been falsely accused of being multiple people in this political forum, but you are one of the few that being confused with...I actually feel is a compliment. :D


G'day. :ho:



:wave:

CNM

[Guest]

A piece of advice I fear you will not heed.....

The MORE you speak of yourself or shroud everything in "you", the LESS people listen.

Speak for yourself. If you don't like what someone writes, dispute it with facts, not your personal opinion of the poster. When you make comments like this, all you are doing is proving that you have no dispute with what they say, only that you don't like it. Not much different than calling names.

[Guest]

So what is your far Leftist point ? Do you expect that the Clinton Foundation which hands out a mere 10% of it`s intake will shut down and go away when Her Highness Hillary The Crooked Liar takes up her throne ?

We are not going to have to worry about this, as she is not going to win the election. This is going to be one of those rare cases where polls will not be accurate in predicting the outcome of the election.

Points:

Polls are taken via telephone calls to those at home about who they might vote for.

Hillary had a 20% reduction in voter turnout in the primary.
Trump had a 50-60% increase in voter turnout.

Hillary has had a one or two hundred audience participation at her rallies.
Trump has had thousands attending his rallies

Republican voter registration has increased substantially this year.

Summary:

Polls are taken at home and reflect a democrat preference for Hillary. No surprise. However, with the actually participation rate being so low, you can expect a poor performance at the voter booths on election day for Democrats. Blacks turned out in force for Obama but are not likely to show Hillary the same amount of support. They know a lying con person when they see one. Democrats had less than 75% the total votes of Republicans in the primaries.

On the other hand, even with low polling Trump has caused a larger Republican voter turn out and a significant increase in Republican voter registration. Trump has thousands of rally attendees, showing an active participation rate for Republican voters.

These factors are predictors for the coming election. Trump is likely to win by a large margin (land slide).

[Guest]

We are not going to have to worry about this, as she is not going to win the election. This is going to be one of those rare cases where polls will not be accurate in predicting the outcome of the election.

Points:

Polls are taken via telephone calls to those at home about who they might vote for.

Hillary had a 20% reduction in voter turnout in the primary.
Trump had a 50-60% increase in voter turnout.

Hillary has had a one or two hundred audience participation at her rallies.
Trump has had thousands attending his rallies

Republican voter registration has increased substantially this year.

Summary:

Polls are taken at home and reflect a democrat preference for Hillary. No surprise. However, with the actually participation rate being so low, you can expect a poor performance at the voter booths on election day for Democrats. Blacks turned out in force for Obama but are not likely to show Hillary the same amount of support. They know a lying con person when they see one. Democrats had less than 75% the total votes of Republicans in the primaries.

On the other hand, even with low polling Trump has caused a larger Republican voter turn out and a significant increase in Republican voter registration. Trump has thousands of rally attendees, showing an active participation rate for Republican voters.

These factors are predictors for the coming election. Trump is likely to win by a large margin (land slide).
There is such a fear among law and order voters of liberal media pollsters that the Bradley effect is in effect even in telephone polls. Most Americans do not publicly pledge their allegiance to trump, look at all the thugs that spit on them without repercussion.

Liberals can only have wet dreams and think the polls are accurate.

Add to that all the additional damning information yet to be released on clinton and her pending seizures.

[Guest]

I've been falsely accused of being multiple people in this political forum, but you are one of the few that being confused with...I actually feel is a compliment. :D

G'day. :ho:
:wave:

CNM

Nope there's only one of you, a good thing :clap2:

[Guest]

O, I am sorry, he has too little debt, must be evil.


Are you serious? What's next, what's next, what's next......hmmmmp

We can beat Hillary's e-mail to DEATH. EVERY ONE has been checking the e-mail forever and NO ONE cares except Republicans, because that's all they got!

[Guest]

We can beat Hillary's e-mail to DEATH. EVERY ONE has been checking the e-mail forever and NO ONE cares except Republicans, because that's all they got!

You just keep feeding yourself that partisan line of BS.

Totally ignoring the real issues of the overall circumstance.

We understand some are not allowed to go beyond that which the party dictates, and the positions you are obligated to to take......whether truthful or factual being completely ignored.

[Guest]

We can beat Hillary's e-mail to DEATH. EVERY ONE has been checking the e-mail forever and NO ONE cares except Republicans, because that's all they got!

this is working its way to RICCO charges, so if you don't understand what went on get informed before

[Guest]

this is working its way to RICCO charges, so if you don't understand what went on get informed before

Hopefully! There just has to be some vestige of hope that some where in the system there is a recognition that something has been done that something illegal was done, knowingly or otherwise.

Even if it winds up being excused in what ever form it manifests itself.

The fact of the laws being violated need to be recognized at some point.

The Clinton supporters do not care since all that matters to them is party first....no matter who or what.

[Guest]

Hopefully! There just has to be some vestige of hope that some where in the system there is a recognition that something has been done that something illegal was done, knowingly or otherwise.

Even if it winds up being excused in what ever form it manifests itself.

The fact of the laws being violated need to be recognized at some point.

The Clinton supporters do not care since all that matters to them is party first..matter who or what.

THE EXACT SAME SCRUTINY needs to be applied to Donald J Trump and as the new information (overshadowed by the Clinton stuff) comes out (see the new Wash Post BOOK). I suspect that you will be hearing much of the same.

Point is....Trump versus Clinton....both should be arrested now.

Replacement candidates so we can actually discuss issues.

My bet is that if anyone is charged, it will be Trump well before Clinton. We have not even scratched the surface with him.

Sorry...thought this dang thread was about Trumps secret and HUGE debt to China, Russia and the like. Imagine, a President PERSONALLY indebted to those countries in the millions ??? WOW

But sorry,...here I thought that was what this was about...silly me.

Carry on...they are both crooks and if your political party demands you attack one or the other, then lets at least stay on point within a thread

[Guest]

Replacement candidates so we can actually discuss issues.

Impossible

My bet is that if anyone is charged, it will be Trump well before Clinton. We have not even scratched the surface with him.

Silly, get to casino quick they need your money

Sorry...thought this dang thread was about Trumps secret and HUGE debt to China, Russia and the like. Imagine, a President PERSONALLY indebted to those countries in the millions ??? WOW

Where did he personally guarantee the loans?

Russia? where?

Huge debt, you know little about biz buddy, that is about 5% of his assets, peanuts.


Nothing that he's says rises to the level of her perjury, lies and money laundering.

see if this helps understand better (perhaps Cpa can explain better)


Debt ratios can be used to describe the financial health of individuals, businesses or governments. Like other accounting ratios, investors and lenders calculate the debt ratio for a business from major financial statements.

The debt ratio for a given company reveals whether or not it has loans and, if so, how its credit financing compares to its assets. It is calculated by dividing total liabilities by total assets, with higher debt ratios indicating higher degrees of debt financing. Whether or not a debt ratio is good depends on the context within which it is being analyzed.

From a pure risk perspective, lower ratios (0.4 or lower) are considered better debt ratios. Since the interest on a debt must be paid regardless of business profitability, too much debt may compromise the entire operation if cash flow dries up. Companies unable to service their own debt may be forced to sell off assets or declare bankruptcy.

A higher debt ratio (0.6 or higher) makes it more difficult to borrow money. Lenders often have debt ratio limits and do not extend further credit to firms that are over-leveraged. Of course, there are other factors as well, such as credit worthiness, payment history and professional relationships.

On the other hand, investors rarely want to purchase the stock of a company with extremely low debt ratios. A debt ratio of zero would indicate that the firm does not finance increased operations through borrowing at all, which limits the total return that can be realized and passed on to shareholders. While the debt to equity ratio is a better measure of opportunity cost than the basic debt ratio, this principle still holds true: there is some risk associated with having too little debt.

Generally speaking, larger and more established companies are able to push the liabilities side of their ledgers further than newer or smaller companies. Larger companies tend to have more solidified cash flows, and they are also more likely to have negotiable relationships with their lenders.

Debt ratios are also interest rate sensitive; all-interest bearing assets have interest rate risk, whether they are business loans or bonds. During times of high interest rates, good debt ratios tend to be lower than during low-rate periods. The same principal amount is more expensive to pay off at 10% than it is at 5%.

This still doesn't effectively answer the question regarding a good or bad debt ratio. There is a sense that all debt ratio analysis must be done on a company-by-company basis. Balancing the dual risks of debt – credit risk and opportunity cost – is something that all companies must do. Certain sectors are more prone to large levels of indebtedness than others, however. Capital-intensive businesses, such as manufacturing or utilities, can get away with slightly higher debt ratios when they are expanding operations. Evaluate industry standards and historical performance relative to debt levels. Many investors look for a company to have a debt ratio between 0.3 and 0.6.

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[Guest]

Cnm et al have zero facts concerning trump wrongdoing. Every treasonist thing Hillary has done dictates that even if elected she will be impeached. But the smart money is on trump!

Think about it husband wife impeachment, funny. Two pieces of Merda

[Guest]

Cnm et al have zero facts concerning trump wrongdoing. Every treasonist thing Hillary has done dictates that even if elected she will be impeached. But the smart money is on trump!

Think about it husband wife impeachment, funny. Two pieces of Merda

Interesting how you folks know so much about Trumps money.

He lied SUBSTANTIALLY on his original filed documents, and will not allow the voters to see his tax return, even those not being audited.

I put them both in the same category....I can't defend or support Clinton based on what I don't know, and Trump, WHO BY THE WAY HAS MANY MORE SECRETS simply based on Clinton leading a very public life.

Trump has already lied numerous times on his finances...we now know he sort of misstated his number of bankruptcies for one, and lied on his initial filings.

So, I guess it is pick your poison. We know more about Clinton, but anyone...ANYONE, since this is about Trump...ANYONE who says they know anything at all about Trumps finances lis just blowing smoke.

[Guest]

Cnm et al have zero facts concerning trump wrongdoing. Every treasonist thing Hillary has done dictates that even if elected she will be impeached. But the smart money is on trump!

Think about it husband wife impeachment, funny. Two pieces of Merda

Funny, we KNOW he will be going to court based on accusations of fraud concerning Trump U, and can only surmise about the states that we're going to prosecute until something occurred..in Florida a substantial "contribution" to the attorney general.

We KNOW about all the fines he has paid base in his PERSONAL actions regarding race in his businesses.

We KNOW he has told so many lies on this campaign they have seperate websites to keep up. The one that made me laugh was how he boasted about his hotels supplying child care for employees. Of course, the correction was it was ONLY for guests.

We know a lot, but you are correct....Trump has more secrets than Clinton for sure.

[Guest]

Trump has already lied numerous times on his finances...we now know he sort of misstated his number of bankruptcies for one, and lied on his initial filings.



lied, like what?

He never filed bankruptcy ever.

He had 4 companies that filed a chapter 11, do you you know that in an 11 people are paid albeit less but better than zero.

all employees are paid in full along with all taxes as mandated under the Bankruptcy Act.

In an 11 the company and all employees kept working, it is a positive not negative thing to do rather than close the doors and walk away, it's called reorganization, thousands of companies exercise their rights to do so.

Eastman Kodak, Texaco, Dow Corning, Delta Airlines and United Airlines. oh and the small company called GM.

"Bankruptcy does not have the stigma attached to it that is used to have,"

[Guest]

lied, like what?

He never filed bankruptcy ever.

He had 4 companies that filed a chapter 11, do you you know that in an 11 people are paid albeit less but better than zero.

all employees are paid in full along with all taxes as mandated under the Bankruptcy Act.

In an 11 the company and all employees kept working, it is a positive not negative thing to do rather than close the doors and walk away, it's called reorganization, thousands of companies exercise their rights to do so.

Eastman Kodak, Texaco, Dow Corning, Delta Airlines and United Airlines. oh and the small company called GM.

"Bankruptcy does not have the stigma attached to it that is used to have,"

Actually it was 6 times. He said never, then 4, but the number is 6.

Would not call it a positive thing because people lose lots of money, but I suppose it is how you view it. But it is a practice he has perfected.

On the lies, you certainly must be kidding. He lies...well, recently there were fact checks done on his first ad, and there was a lie every 4 seconds.

If you believe him to be honest, then you certainly must live in a cave.

He is just about the most pathological liar, self centered egoist, insensitive, unfeeling, immoral .....but I digress from his debts and ties to foreign countries.

Time will come soon when he will be called on lots of this. He is spending his time now proffering the conspiracy theories being fed. I knew about the health of Clinton conspiracy...just heard about he and that Hannity joker lying about Trump sending a helicopter to save some marines...he made that up.

How the heck do you elect a person like that to anything, and then weigh a man who lies like he does having vast financial interests in Russia and China ? When I think back to the attacks in Romney, I must laugh.

Trumps time is coming...that I KNOW and the books on this person are ugly.

I feel bad for his supporters, as I did with Madoffs. They are following a pied piper of lies.

[Guest]

Speaking of the multiple Trump lies, this piece was sad, but humorous....

"The lying started at 7:27 a.m. and did not stop until after dark.
Even for Donald Trump, Monday, Aug. 1, was a banner day for bull****.
With 100 days until Election Day, the Republican presidential nominee decisively rejected suggestions that he make some attempt to appear statesmanlike in his campaign against Hillary Clinton, opting to commit fully to the erraticism and dishonesty that characterized his performance in the Republican primary. "

15 Hours of Donald Trump’s Lies - The Daily Beast (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/08/02/15-hours-of-donald-trump-s-lies.html)

[Guest]

Then this piece from Newsweek....

"That makes no sense, and here’s a crucial thing to know about Trump: He never tries to make his lies or delusions or fantasies make sense. He just spews to explain away the inexplicable."

Donald Trump’s History of Lying Under Oath (http://www.newsweek.com/mr-speaker-stop-trump-let-gop-lose-election-489797)

Experience tells me that most Trumpers do not read or CARE about lying. They join Trump in blaming the media, not saints for sure, but he believes them to be always wrong.....

EXCEPT if they, using his words "like him"

[Guest]

"The consensus among non-partisan observers is that the speech that Donald Trump gave about ISIS was so full of lies, inconsistencies, and gibberish that it made no sense."


The Reviews Are In: Trump ISIS Speech Was Full Of Lies And Gibberish That Made No Sense (http://www.politicususa.com/2016/08/15/reviews-in-trump-isis-speech-loaded-lies-gibberish-sense.html)

[Guest]

Still waiting for one fact about trump that is worse than Hillarys factual past. Just one.

trump going to trial for trump university. Once a con man, always a con man.

[Guest]

that is not yet decided, correct.

or do you know otherwise?

[Guest]

trump going to trial for trump university. Once a con man, always a con man.

How does that work out with our top secrets being place on unsecured devices by what's her name???:posting:

[Guest]

Not an expert, but you seem to completely change the thread every time you get responses you don't like.

The thread is about Trump. You said he didn't lie. It has been shown that he is pathological.

Then you go to Clinton instead of facing the fact they both suck..big time.

Keep on the thread. Lots others for you to vent on Clinton

[Guest]

Some interesting reading......

Trump ranks higher than Hitler in psychopath test - NY Daily News (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/trump-psychopathic-2016-presidential-candidate-study-article-1.2762541)

[Guest]

The thread is about Trump. You said he didn't lie. It has been shown that he is pathological.

Has he lied to Congress?

She did

Who committed Perjury?

Who may be facing RICCO charges?

who made over 100 million dollars after leaving the WH broke?

Who risked top secrets in private servers.

Who dropped the ball in Bengazi?

His lies are nothing in comparison.

Are we better off now in the last 8 years, do we want another 4 of the same.

Trumps debt is nothing a non issue moreover, it's corporate not personal

[Guest]

Has he lied to Congress?

She did

Who committed Perjury?

Who may be facing RICCO charges?

who made over 100 million dollars after leaving the WH broke?

Who risked top secrets in private servers.

Who dropped the ball in Bengazi?

His lies are nothing in comparison.

Are we better off now in the last 8 years, do we want another 4 of the same.

Trumps debt is nothing a non issue moreover, it's corporate not personal

A Trump poster listing charges, all with some merit, none proven at all in a thread about Trumps debt.

Amazing the inability to concentrate on here by some.

Oh, and Trumps debt to Russia and China, and his financial interests there...well, let's just say, it IS an issue, which he could take a gigantic step toward by releasing his taxes and telling the truth.

[Guest]

A Trump poster listing charges, all with some merit, none proven at all in a thread about Trumps debt.

Amazing the inability to concentrate on here by some.

Oh, and Trumps debt to Russia and China, and his financial interests there...well, let's just say, it IS an issue, which he could take a gigantic step toward by releasing his taxes and telling the truth.

Let's all agree that no matter what issue anybody comes up with or invents or lies about involving Trump, that none can be anymore serious than all the illegal activity and crimes commited by Clinton.

And if you supportes of Clinton have no problem with her then you have no :censored: isues with Trump.....NONE by comparison.

Put that in your :censored: pipe and smoke it!

[Guest]

Let's all agree that no matter what issue anybody comes up with or invents or lies about involving Trump, that none can be anymore serious than all the illegal activity and crimes commited by Clinton.

And if you supportes of Clinton have no problem with her then you have no :censored: isues with Trump.....NONE by comparison.

Put that in your :censored: pipe and smoke it!

First, it is sort of immature and ill informed to say "lets all agree". A bit presumptuous in my opinion since there are no charges or crime that I am aware of against Clinton.

I hate when you ill informed, short tempered folks come on here and make me defend Clinton, someone I do not trust nor could ever vote for.

YET.....your shortsighted, shallow thinking makes you think that political slander is actually the basis for a crime. GROW UP.

Secondly, if we are comparing actual incidents with officials where someone is found guilty by more than political assertions, Trump wins hands down.

You folks have left planet earth are on a planet created by the right wing conspiracy theorists employed by the Trump campaign.

Actually it is quite funny to see a 70 year old man who is very overweight talking about the health of a woman is younger and has been much more active than he in recent years.

[Guest]

Interesting how you folks know so much about Trumps money.

He lied SUBSTANTIALLY on his original filed documents, and will not allow the voters to see his tax return, even those not being audited.

I put them both in the same category....I can't defend or support Clinton based on what I don't know, and Trump, WHO BY THE WAY HAS MANY MORE SECRETS simply based on Clinton leading a very public life.

Trump has already lied numerous times on his finances...we now know he sort of misstated his number of bankruptcies for one, and lied on his initial filings.

So, I guess it is pick your poison. We know more about Clinton, but anyone...ANYONE, since this is about Trump...ANYONE who says they know anything at all about Trumps finances lis just blowing smoke.
Please be specific on how he "lied substantially." I know you will not answer because YOU are the liar, just like cnm and those creepy clinton supporters.

[Guest]

Funny, we KNOW he will be going to court based on accusations of fraud concerning Trump U, and can only surmise about the states that we're going to prosecute until something occurred..in Florida a substantial "contribution" to the attorney general.

We KNOW about all the fines he has paid base in his PERSONAL actions regarding race in his businesses.

We KNOW he has told so many lies on this campaign they have seperate websites to keep up. The one that made me laugh was how he boasted about his hotels supplying child care for employees. Of course, the correction was it was ONLY for guests.

We know a lot, but you are correct....Trump has more secrets than Clinton for sure.

Once again nothing specific, just a large lie by YOU. What racial personal action did he commit that resulted in a fine? Show it to me or get your frigging shine box.

[Guest]

People here ranting bad things about trump obviously never owned even a small business, let alone many many large corporations. Many clinton supporters here are retired teachers, with very short haircuts,(not that there is anything wrong with that) that never signed a paycheck in their lives.

If you had many corporations worth billions that did not have a lot of litigation that would be suspicious. THE TRUMP corporations are the plaintiffs in the majority of its litigation.

[Guest]

Once again nothing specific, just a large lie by YOU. What racial personal action did he commit that resulted in a fine? Show it to me or get your frigging shine box.

I am gong to ask you very nicely to refrain from the name calling. I have yet to lie to you and in fact if you read the previous posts, you are precariously close to constant over statements.

"An analysis by USA Today published in June 2016 found that over the previous three decades, Trump and his businesses have been involved in 3,500 legal cases in U.S. federal courts and state court, an unprecedented number for a U.S. presidential candidate.[1] Of the 3,500 suits, Trump or one of his companies were plaintiffs in 1,900; defendants in 1,450; and bankruptcy, third party, or other in 150.[1] Trump was named in at least 169 suits in federal court.[2] A number of other cases (over 150) were in the Seventeenth Judicial Circuit Court of Florida (covering Broward County, Florida) since 1983.[3]

The topics of the legal cases include contract disputes, defamation claims, and allegations of sexual harassment and rape.[1][4][5][6][7][8][9][10] Trump's companies have been involved in more than 100 tax disputes, and on "at least three dozen" occasions the New York State Department of Taxation and Finance has obtained tax liens against Trump properties for nonpayment of taxes.[1] On a number of occasions, Trump has threatened legal action but did not ultimately follow through.[7]

Legal affairs of Donald Trump - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_affairs_of_Donald_Trump)

"Trump initially came to public attention in 1973 when he was accused by the Justice Department of violations of the Fair Housing Act in the operation of 39 buildings.[13] The government alleged that Trump's corporation quoted different rental terms and conditions to blacks and made false "no vacancy" statements to blacks for apartments they managed in Brooklyn, Queens, and Staten Island.[14]"



Not suggesting anything by any of this, but to make some claim about his opponent while having such a background which includes dealing with criminal elements, is simply lunacy.

It is fine to have passion for someone you support but at least keep it in the realm of something reasonable,

The constant harrangues by Trump and his stooges on Clintons health are simply elementary school silliness which is an attribute that can be laid inside much of his campaign.

Fact is I offer this to you as a typical example of this low life's approach to everything....just lie and cheat and hope nobody notices....

Since Clinton had her health records made public, Trump was asked to do the same....This is how Newsweek viewed it...

"It purports to be a medical letter, but it is one of the most ridiculous documents ever to emerge in any political campaign. First, the letterhead is in the same font as the letter, which appears to have been created using Microsoft Word. The signature from the doctor is several inches past the signature line—the result you might get if the document had been signed as a blank and filled in later. The letterhead includes a Gmail address—something doctors tell me is extremely unusual, since doctors do not want patients contacting them directly by email as a substitute for scheduling an appointment.

There is also a website listed, but if you follow the URL (haroldbornsteinmd.com), sometimes it takes you to cdn.freefarcy.com, a blank page that asks if you want to upload an update to a Flash program onto your computer (the domain name, freefarcy.com, is still for sale. No, I can’t explain that.) If you decline, it does so anyway and, based on the response of the security system on my computer, the “program” on the doctor’s supposed website is a virus. (Other times it takes you to a generic medical website. No, I can't explain that either.)


Donald Trump Tests Positive for Everything, According to His Own Doctor (http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-health-doctor-490836)

I bring up the health issue because you and others are simply accepting what this man says. Please do some research....this is not a man to be in our Oval Office.

And the subject of the thread....his debts.

"He’s so rich. He’s a successful businessman. He can’t be bought.

He can be indebted to foreign investors, however.

The Washington Examiner is reporting that Trump owes money – a lot of money – to some sources that aren’t exactly in line with his campaign rhetoric."

"Trump’s federal financial disclosure form that he’d released earlier in the campaign fell slightly under half of that amount, by claiming a debt of $315 million. That would be the usual Trump, however, as he lies his way through the campaign, creating an illusion of who he is and his success, rather than giving the real story.

How Much Money Does Donald Trump Owe China? | RedState (http://www.redstate.com/sweetie15/2016/08/20/much-money-donald-trump-owe-china/)



I for one do not want my President in debt to Russia and/or China in the millions and 'owing" them anything.

[Guest]

The innuendos on here about Clinton literally pale when you read the innuendos on Trump and his past associations...not speaking of the many women with whom he cheated on his wife with, but.....and this IS an innuendo....

"Journalists David Cay Johnston and Wayne Barrett, the latter of whom wrote an unauthorized 1992 Trump biography, have claimed that Trump and his companies did business with New York and Philadelphia families linked to the Italian-American Mafia.[126][127] A reporter for the Washington Post writes, "he was never accused of illegality, and observers of the time say that working with the mob-related figures and politicos came with the territory."[128]

Trump helped a financier for the Scarfo family get a casino license, and constructed a casino using firms controlled by Nicodemo Scarfo.[129] Trump also bought real estate from Philadelphia crime family member Salvatore Testa, and bought concrete from companies associated with the Genovese crime family and the Gambino crime family.[126][127][128] Trump Plaza paid a $450,000 fine leveled by the Casino Gaming Commission for giving $1.6 million in rare automobiles to Robert LiButti, the acquaintance of John Gotti already mentioned.[33]

Starting in 2003, the Trump Organization worked with Felix Sater, who had a 1998 racketeering conviction for a $40 million Mafia-linked stock fraud scheme, and who had then become an informant against the mafia.[130] Trump's attorney has said that Sater worked with Trump scouting real estate opportunities, but was never formally employed.[131]"



Legal affairs of Donald Trump - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_affairs_of_Donald_Trump)

[Guest]

First, it is sort of immature and ill informed to say "lets all agree". A bit presumptuous in my opinion since there are no charges or crime that I am aware of against Clinton.

I hate when you ill informed, short tempered folks come on here and make me defend Clinton, someone I do not trust nor could ever vote for.

YET.....your shortsighted, shallow thinking makes you think that political slander is actually the basis for a crime. GROW UP.

Secondly, if we are comparing actual incidents with officials where someone is found guilty by more than political assertions, Trump wins hands down.

You folks have left planet earth are on a planet created by the right wing conspiracy theorists employed by the Trump campaign.

Actually it is quite funny to see a 70 year old man who is very overweight talking about the health of a woman is younger and has been much more active than he in recent years.

From the all knowing, all seeing, blow my horn, even though I don't know jack $hit, but cover it up by insulting others that do not share the same opinion.

Your continual qualifiers of what you think you know only demonstarte insecurity. Speak from knowledge and see where the chips lie.

And one who thinks they are qualified to judge immaturety or wisdom and then follow up with the school yard BS name calling.

My better judgement stops me from saying what I really think of your BS post.

Too bad there is not at least a bite me emoticon....I would use it now!

And this is my positive reaction to the BS, non value adding waste of time post presented.

[Guest]

where is Trump's tax return!

[Guest]

From the all knowing, all seeing, blow my horn, even though I don't know jack $hit, but cover it up by insulting others that do not share the same opinion.

Your continual qualifiers of what you think you know only demonstarte insecurity. Speak from knowledge and see where the chips lie.

And one who thinks they are qualified to judge immaturety or wisdom and then follow up with the school yard BS name calling.

My better judgement stops me from saying what I really think of your BS post.

Too bad there is not at least a bite me emoticon....I would use it now!

And this is my positive reaction to the BS, non value adding waste of time post presented.

1. You are typical of the reason I, and others do not post on here.

2. You are everything, and more, that people say of you.

Will take my leave

Enjoy your deluded and non reality world. As they told me..you ain't that smart but have an opinion of yourself that smacks of problems.

No sweat..won't correct you any longer and you can take your insults and spread them among others.

[Guest]

same place as Hilleries emails?

[Guest]

I am gong to ask you very nicely to refrain from the name calling.

If you think that was name calling you may need to leave the kitchen:1rotfl:



"An analysis by USA Today published in June 2016 found that over the previous three decades, Trump and his businesses have been involved in 3,500 legal cases in U.S. federal courts and state court, an unprecedented number for a U.S. presidential candidate.[1] Of the 3,500 suits, Trump or one of his companies were plaintiffs in 1,900; defendants in 1,450; and bankruptcy, third party, or other in 150.[1] Trump was named in at least 169 suits in federal court.[2] A number of other cases (over 150) were in the Seventeenth Judicial Circuit Court of Florida (covering Broward County, Florida) since 1983.[3]

The topics of the legal cases include contract disputes, defamation claims, and allegations of sexual harassment and rape.[1][4][5][6][7][8][9][10] Trump's companies have been involved in more than 100 tax disputes, and on "at least three dozen" occasions the New York State Department of Taxation and Finance has obtained tax liens against Trump properties for nonpayment of taxes.[1] On a number of occasions, Trump has threatened legal action but did not ultimately follow through.[7]

First you need to break that down over 40 years, less than 100 a year.

For a company that size it's not unusual, to someone that's not a business person it may look that way, but you fail to disclose how many of those cases were settled or won by his Org.

For example there were many trademark infringement lawsuits, I can tel you as trademark owner, you are required by Fed Law to police your trademark, by policing it means litigating. I had 14 lawsuits in one year, that was small company, (we won all of them)
Infringes have to be stopped or you risk losing the trademark


Fact is I offer this to you as a typical example of this low life's approach to everything....just lie and cheat

Funny you said "refrain from the name calling." now you go and do it.


He can be indebted to foreign investors, however.

no proof he was bought but Clintons foundation was.

Pay for play



I for one do not want my President in debt to Russia and/or China in the millions and 'owing" them anything.

But you want to have someone that owes favors for the 2 billion dollars donated to the foundation. All over the news in the past 48 hours

you talking with forked tongue

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[QUOTE=Guest;1277030]did business with New York and Philadelphia families linked to the Italian-American Mafia.[126][127] A reporter for the Washington Post writes, "he was never accused of illegality, and observers of the time say that working with the mob-related figures and politicos came with the territory."[128]

...... bought concrete from companies associated with the Genovese crime family and the Gambino crime family.l

I guess you think at that time you could buy concrete from anyone else in NY.

Guess what there was no choice.

Welcome to NY years ago.

[Guest]

1. You are typical of the reason I, and others do not post on here.

2. You are everything, and more, that people say of you.

Will take my leave

Enjoy your deluded and non reality world. As they told me..you ain't that smart but have an opinion of yourself that smacks of problems.

No sweat..won't correct you any longer and you can take your insults and spread them among others.

You are entitled to your opinion, even though they are inaccurate or incorrect. They are yours and you are entitled.

I am amused how you take offense at anothers description or opinion....especially accusing one of calling names and being offensive. Go back and read your first response.

I usually respond in kind. So what you take offense or exception should be very familar to you.

The commentary of what others you comment have said about me is really, REALLY amusing....given the anonymity of guest or even the regular TOTV screen name. Speculation; conjecture; BS!

[Guest]

where is Trump's tax return!

The same location as Hillary's 50,000 missing emails. What's more important? If the IRS doesn't have a problem with Trump's tax return then what business is it of yours?

[Guest]

tax returns are not required by law.

Destroying evidence is against the law, as in emails :boom:

[Guest]

tax returns are not required by law.

Destroying evidence is against the law, as in emails :boom:

Correct. And destroying classified information incorrectly is also breaking the law. If any of those emails contained classified information, then she broke the law. But, she has violated every gov regulation that ALL other gov employees are held accountable to anyway.

[Guest]

[QUOTE=Guest;1277030]did business with New York and Philadelphia families linked to the Italian-American Mafia.[126][127] A reporter for the Washington Post writes, "he was never accused of illegality, and observers of the time say that working with the mob-related figures and politicos came with the territory."[128]

...... bought concrete from companies associated with the Genovese crime family and the Gambino crime family.l

I guess you think at that time you could buy concrete from anyone else in NY.

Guess what there was no choice.

Welcome to NY years ago.

There were other companies to buy concrete from, but the donald chose to deal with the mafia at an inflated price so they would't say anything about him using undocumented labor. This is your hero, a mobster and law breaker, it's documented.

[Guest]

If any of those emails contained classified information, then she broke the law.

If?

you're being kind, they are so redacted the congressional committee can't read them, because the redacted info is above their security clearance.

I don't think her yoga info would be redacted?:1rotfl:

[Guest]

Are you totally ignorant or just blind?

Instead of going into all the cr@p you are slinging, I will ask you one question, which I am sure you will decline to answer:

Read all of your comment and then tell me what you plan to tell your grandchildren about Hillary Clinton. Or for that matter, any Clinton.

I think that once you put the two on a morality/ethics scale, you will find out which one tips it.

I took your advise " put the two on a morality/ethics scale" and the fat donald tips it. Thank you for advising me little man.

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[QUOTE=Guest;1277077]

There were other companies to buy concrete from, but the donald chose to deal with the mafia at an inflated price so they would't say anything about him using undocumented labor. This is your hero, a mobster and law breaker, it's documented.

I guess you're not from NY nor do you understand the way the mafia controlled things.

Do you think a non mafia related company could complete at a lower price, they would be wearing concrete shoes in the Hudson river.

So you want to nitpik doing biz with the mafia, but remain silent about the fact that while SERVING as Sec of state about 150 requested a private meeting with her. She had meetings with 85 that just happened to donate 156 million dollars to the clinton foundation. All this while on the Gov payroll. (over half her biz was with donors.

They donated for access and favors

Pay 4 Play

Is your television not working?

[Guest]

I took your advise " put the two on a morality/ethics scale" and the fat donald tips it. Thank you for advising me little man.

And there you have it folks. Another ignorant voter, with NO knowledge of their candidate. And so upset about his/her pathetic response that they also resort to personal disparagement. I am happy that you have the courage to attempt to agitate your betters, while hiding behind your keyboard. Hopefully, you won't forget yourself when/if you ever get a chance to speak to me in person. I doubt you would have the cojones to suggest that I am "little" in person.:D

[Guest]

maybe his scale needs to be re-calibrated?

[Guest]

maybe his scale needs to be re-calibrated?

Or, his sense of morality and ethics is skewed.