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snowbird22154
08-30-2016, 08:33 PM
$140 for 26 mph in a 20 mph zone and not even a "school zone". And I'm sure there are many many of "The Villagers" that are getting "taken" to the cleaners daily but many "Villagers" also have exceeded the 20 mph "trap" almost daily but your turn is coming

And yes I have also heard "horror stories" about the Golf Carts getting $600 tickets!....over and over but there's a lot of difference in being in a Golf Cart & a automobile doing 26 mph !!!

What happened to "warnings"? like the olden days.
It's not like I was doing 90 mph in a school zone @

And they think Bernie Madoff was a crook??? I know some of the "do gooders" love it when "others" do such a terrible crime

Any attorney's available?

tuccillo
08-30-2016, 08:38 PM
Thanks for the warning and sorry to hear of this. I guess 5 mph over is the new 9 mph over.

$140 for 26 mph in a 20 mph zone? And I'm sure there are many many of "The Villagers" that are getting "taken" to the cleaners but many "Villagers" have exceeded the 20 mph "trap" almost daily but your turn is coming

And yes I have also heard "horror stories" about the Golf Carts getting $600 tickets!....over and over but there's a lot of difference in being in a Golf Cart & a automobile doing 26 mph !!!

What happened to "warnings"? like the olden days.
It's not like I was doing 90 mph in a school zone @

And they think Bernie Madoff was a crook???

Any attorney's available?

nkrifats
08-30-2016, 08:47 PM
$140 for 26 mph in a 20 mph zone? And I'm sure there are many many of "The Villagers" that are getting "taken" to the cleaners but many "Villagers" have exceeded the 20 mph "trap" almost daily but your turn is coming

And yes I have also heard "horror stories" about the Golf Carts getting $600 tickets!....over and over but there's a lot of difference in being in a Golf Cart & a automobile doing 26 mph !!!

What happened to "warnings"? like the olden days.
It's not like I was doing 90 mph in a school zone @

And they think Bernie Madoff was a crook???

Any attorney's available?

Your point? You was speeding.

Sandtrap328
08-30-2016, 08:50 PM
Was this in a school zone? Those are always taken serious.

kcrazorbackfan
08-30-2016, 09:18 PM
$140 for 26 mph in a 20 mph zone? And I'm sure there are many many of "The Villagers" that are getting "taken" to the cleaners but many "Villagers" have exceeded the 20 mph "trap" almost daily but your turn is coming

And yes I have also heard "horror stories" about the Golf Carts getting $600 tickets!....over and over but there's a lot of difference in being in a Golf Cart & a automobile doing 26 mph !!!

What happened to "warnings"? like the olden days.
It's not like I was doing 90 mph in a school zone @

And they think Bernie Madoff was a crook???

Any attorney's available?

From a retired LEO - waaaaaa! Call the waaaaambulance. You people that pi** and moan when Police Officers don't do anything are the same ones damning them, accusing them of taking the public "to the cleaners" and stooping so low as to compare them to Bernie Madoff and calling them crooks when you are caught violating the law - SHAME ON YOU! 26 in a 20 is a violation of the law. Want to dispute it? Go to the traffic court at the location, date and time that should be printed on your ticket.

Was this a Sumter Co. Deputy that stopped you? If so, schedule a meeting with Sumter Co. Sheriff Bill Farmer and voice to him your concerns on how he, his Deputies and his department are crooks and take "Villagers" to the cleaners.

DonH57
08-30-2016, 09:23 PM
" Stop breaking the law". LOL

graciegirl
08-30-2016, 09:25 PM
Try not to get a ticket and then you won't be unhappy.

Allegiance
08-30-2016, 09:39 PM
$140 for 26 mph in a 20 mph zone and not even a "school zone". And I'm sure there are many many of "The Villagers" that are getting "taken" to the cleaners daily but many "Villagers" also have exceeded the 20 mph "trap" almost daily but your turn is coming

And yes I have also heard "horror stories" about the Golf Carts getting $600 tickets!....over and over but there's a lot of difference in being in a Golf Cart & a automobile doing 26 mph !!!

What happened to "warnings"? like the olden days.
It's not like I was doing 90 mph in a school zone @

And they think Bernie Madoff was a crook??? I know some of the "do gooders" love it when "others" do such a terrible crime

Any attorney's available?
Where did this take place?

Phanatic Luvr
08-30-2016, 09:47 PM
The officer was only doing his job. However, I wish he would chase down other doing a lot faster like the City Furniture trucks, the trash trucks and some of the landscapers who fly.

billethkid
08-30-2016, 09:56 PM
Enforcement of the laws always has some negative impacts!!

Nucky
08-30-2016, 10:12 PM
It's a tough spot to be in. Nobody obeys all the time. Getting snagged must hurt. The officer did go by the letter of the law and not the spirit of the law I believe. We had PBA cards in NJ that were just like getting out of jail free card. My friends who are officers say they have total discretion over whether or not to write the ticket and to adjust the MPH down to give someone a break. They always strictly enforce the limit when someone gets snippy with them. I never speed on purpose and more then ever I slowed down around here because of our challenged friends on the road. I still feel bad for you!

Barefoot
08-30-2016, 10:25 PM
$140 for 26 mph in a 20 mph zone and not even a "school zone". And I'm sure there are many many of "The Villagers" that are getting "taken" to the cleaners daily ...
It's not being "taken to the cleaners" when you get a ticket for exceeding the speed limit.
If you're looking for someone to blame, look in the mirror.

Spikearoni
08-30-2016, 10:27 PM
$140 for 26 mph in a 20 mph zone and not even a "school zone". And I'm sure there are many many of "The Villagers" that are getting "taken" to the cleaners daily but many "Villagers" also have exceeded the 20 mph "trap" almost daily but your turn is coming

And yes I have also heard "horror stories" about the Golf Carts getting $600 tickets!....over and over but there's a lot of difference in being in a Golf Cart & a automobile doing 26 mph !!!

What happened to "warnings"? like the olden days.
It's not like I was doing 90 mph in a school zone @

And they think Bernie Madoff was a crook??? I know some of the "do gooders" love it when "others" do such a terrible crimes

Any attorney's available?

That certainly seems to be an excessive fine. Where were you when you got the ticket?

circletrack
08-30-2016, 10:46 PM
Since moving here I rarely speed excessively like I used to. 5 m.p.h is my limit and I'm constantly being passed on Buena Vista and Paige Place by folks likely traveling 45-50 in a 35 zone. I've become familiar with where the deputies typically set up and make sure not to go flying by those areas. I also do not think folks know that when entering Spanish Springs from the bridge over Lake Mira Mar the speed limit is 10 m.p.h. Lady Lake PD sets up radar stops there every few months and often just hands out warnings. But I have seen several cars traveling at a dangerous speed into the square on that road. Too many pedestrians, and you're looking at a big fine even if your just going 35.

Now out on the Interstate and Turnpike is a different story. For my own a safety I travel nearly 80 m.p.h. most road trips because if you try to do the speed limit on I-75 you are likely to get run over.

Chatbrat
08-31-2016, 03:16 AM
Where did the infraction take place?

ConnieNonnie
08-31-2016, 03:29 AM
I always told my 2 sons, & everyone else, to drive as if there was a cop in their
Rear view mirror. Good advice.

BobnBev
08-31-2016, 03:31 AM
Good attitudes are rewarded........well, I guess you can figure out the rest-----:police:

l2ridehd
08-31-2016, 04:49 AM
Yes the law was broken. And yes it's the QP's fault. What bothers me is there are so many other serious crimes going on around here that to focus on minor speeding violations is the real crime. Without the Villages these police departments would sill be one man bands. And yet they punish the hand that feeds them. Spend there time finding the crooks that steal golf carts, the scams that people use against seniors, and other opportunists that come here to rip off the residents.

I don't support speeding and especially those that speed to excess. But 26 in a 20 in a car is not excess. Go after the real crooks and give the residents a break.

asianthree
08-31-2016, 04:58 AM
One never sees the garage trucks or the lawn guys pulled over. 6 over seems excessive, for a ticket, but the commercial trucks are going faster than that.

birdiebill
08-31-2016, 06:01 AM
I often drive 7 or 8 mph over the speed limit on interstates and up to 5 mph over the speed limit on other roads, I fully understand that I have no complaint if I am caught by the police and given a ticket. I choose how fast I drive. It does not matter how fast other people drive; I am responsible for what I do and for the consequences. However, I do abide by school zone speeds.

ColdNoMore
08-31-2016, 06:20 AM
While saying it is "just 6 mph over the speed limit," given that the posted speed was 20 mph....it actually equates to about 30% faster than the posted speed.

Which on a 70 mph posted highway, would be the equivalent to over 90 mph.

Instead of whining about being "taken to the cleaners"... the solution is very simple.

Slow down and pay attention to the speed limit...or accept the consequences of purposely breaking the law :shrug:

Deseylou
08-31-2016, 06:33 AM
Whew
I consider us lucky. My hubby was going a little fast on Buena Vista the other day. A police car flashed his lights. He immediately slowed down.
I on the other hand, have never gotten a speeding ticket.

Wing-nut2
08-31-2016, 06:34 AM
A warning? How many years have you been driving? Should know the law by now. Don't speed and STOP at stop signs. No problems.

NECHFalcon68
08-31-2016, 06:53 AM
the officer was only doing his job. However, i wish he would chase down other doing a lot faster like the city furniture trucks, the trash trucks and some of the landscapers who fly.

amen!!

But I am trying to figure out where there is a 20 mile speed zone in the Villages besides the roundabouts...most of the roads are 30, and the 4 lane roads are 35...although the signs entering TV say the speed limit is 20 unless posted....

VApeople
08-31-2016, 08:03 AM
$140 for 26 mph in a 20 mph zone and not even a "school zone".

I doubt you were only going 26 mph. I suspect you were going faster, but the nice officer gave you a break and only wrote down 26 mph.

Since you will not tell us where you were speeding, I assume it was in a very congested area where only an idiot would exceed the speed limit.

Bob McKeever
08-31-2016, 08:21 AM
But I am trying to figure out where there is a 20 mile speed zone in the Villages besides the roundabouts...most of the roads are 30, and the 4 lane roads are 35...although the signs entering TV say the speed limit is 20 unless posted....[/QUOTE]

Virtually EVERY street in the villages that does not have a designated Cart/Bicycle lane has a speed limit of 20 MPH, unless it is posted even slower. Flying around a golf cart on your neighborhood street is unsafe and illegal, and therefore a ticket-able offense.

Taltarzac725
08-31-2016, 08:24 AM
It often seems to me a matter of bad luck when someone gets pulled over for speeding as I often see many golf carts and almost as many cars speeding in the Villages as they often pass me by while I am wishing that someone will slow them down.

I try to drive a little below the speed limit but once in a while do find myself going a little too fast.

Have not had a ticket since 1996 though outside of El Paso, Texas while driving from Rohnert Park, CA to Palm Harbor, Florida. Nothing but desert out there but still got pulled over.

blueash
08-31-2016, 08:54 AM
It's a tough spot to be in. Nobody obeys all the time. Getting snagged must hurt. The officer did go by the letter of the law and not the spirit of the law I believe. We had PBA cards in NJ that were just like getting out of jail free card. My friends who are officers say they have total discretion over whether or not to write the ticket and to adjust the MPH down to give someone a break. They always strictly enforce the limit when someone gets snippy with them.

Is that really how it worked in NJ? If you could show you gave money to the police charities they let you go? And the cops have "total discretion" over ticket vs warning and what speed to choose to write down which certainly changes the consequences and expense of a ticket?

Isn't that a fairly damning report on the integrity of cops and equal enforcement of the law? Might not such a system of "total discretion" lead to over enforcement in one community and under-enforcement in another based on some factor other than the speed of the car? And wouldn't it be ironic if the community subject to letter of the law enforcement were to point out that discrepancy in policing and be attacked for doing so by the people who have been receiving BPA get out of jail free cards? At least you said snippy not uppity.

devohna
08-31-2016, 08:58 AM
the road behind bealls, and homegoods off 466 all the way to walmart is 20 mph I have seen many cars stopped on that road. best solution is just slow down we are pretty much all retired why the big hurry.

Rapscallion St Croix
08-31-2016, 09:03 AM
Yeah, I hate it when a cop does their job better than I did mine.

red tail
08-31-2016, 09:05 AM
Is that really how it worked in NJ? If you could show you gave money to the police charities they let you go? And the cops have "total discretion" over ticket vs warning and what speed to choose to write down which certainly changes the consequences and expense of a ticket?

Isn't that a fairly damning report on the integrity of cops and equal enforcement of the law? Might not such a system of "total discretion" lead to over enforcement in one community and under-enforcement in another based on some factor other than the speed of the car? And wouldn't it be ironic if the community subject to letter of the law enforcement were to point out that discrepancy in policing and be attacked for doing so by the people who have been receiving BPA get out of jail free cards? At least you said snippy not uppity.

the pba is a union not a charity

Two Bills
08-31-2016, 09:14 AM
I also do not think folks know that when entering Spanish Springs from the bridge over Lake Mira Mar the speed limit is 10 m.p.h. Lady Lake PD sets up radar stops there every few months and often just hands out warnings. But I have seen several cars traveling at a dangerous speed into the square on that road. Too many pedestrians, and you're looking at a big fine even if your just going 35.

I always drive at 10 mph. along that stretch. I do it hoping to hear some original abuse, but most of it is the same old one, or two finger waves!.
Regarding the OP's problem, as the old saying goes, "There but for the grace of God, go I."

golfing eagles
08-31-2016, 09:15 AM
Is that really how it worked in NJ? If you could show you gave money to the police charities they let you go? And the cops have "total discretion" over ticket vs warning and what speed to choose to write down which certainly changes the consequences and expense of a ticket?

Isn't that a fairly damning report on the integrity of cops and equal enforcement of the law? Might not such a system of "total discretion" lead to over enforcement in one community and under-enforcement in another based on some factor other than the speed of the car? And wouldn't it be ironic if the community subject to letter of the law enforcement were to point out that discrepancy in policing and be attacked for doing so by the people who have been receiving BPA get out of jail free cards? At least you said snippy not uppity.


I think the implication of your last statement is disgusting and insulting to the poster, as well as totally unnecessary. Yes, police have A LOT of discretion in whether or not to write a ticket and for how much. And yes, if you donate to a police organization you get a sticker for your car with the explicit notation that it does not grant you any special favors. I have a drawer full of them, but never affix them to my vehicle. Maybe it has a subliminal effect on the officer, it does show respect and support for LEOs. So be it.

klough53
08-31-2016, 09:16 AM
Be happy you did not get an additional surcharge!

Flatlander
08-31-2016, 09:21 AM
If they had no discretion then 21 in a 20 or 56 in a 55 would result in a ticket. Do you really want that. Some small communities, like the ones on 301 North of The Villages have a reputation for not allowing any tolerance. Most people, myself included, seem to be very supportive of law enforcement here. Getting a ticked for speeding, when you were speeding, is not a good reason to try to trash their reputation. There is probably more to this story, as someone else suggested in an earlier post.

kcrazorbackfan
08-31-2016, 09:30 AM
I think the implication of your last statement is disgusting and insulting to the poster, as well as totally unnecessary. Yes, police have A LOT of discretion in whether or not to write a ticket and for how much. And yes, if you donate to a police organization you get a sticker for your car with the explicit notation that it does not grant you any special favors. I have a drawer full of them, but never affix them to my vehicle. Maybe it has a subliminal effect on the officer, it does show respect and support for LEOs. So be it.

Are you really serious when you say a Police Officer writing the ticket can set how much the fine will be? Wow! Just when I've thought I've heard all misconceptions about Police Officers, up pops a new one.

billethkid
08-31-2016, 09:30 AM
When one states they were only driving 3-5 miles per hour over the speed limit they are ADMITTING to speeding.....in the eyes of the law speeding by the letter of the law is ANYTHING over the posted limit.

Yes LEO use reasonable judgement.
And when one gets caught speeding, no matter by how much,
there is only one person to fault....

I prefer the enforcement of all speed limits like they do at school crossings. The classic example of results from the public when enforcement is obvious.

Book em Danno!!!

Gpsma
08-31-2016, 09:32 AM
Why is everyone in a rush? Medical emergency? or is the liquor store closing soon?

joedi
08-31-2016, 09:34 AM
Sorry for your fine, but when they come looking for donation tell them you gave!

golfing eagles
08-31-2016, 09:46 AM
Are you really serious when you say a Police Officer writing the ticket can set how much the fine will be? Wow! Just when I've thought I've heard all misconceptions about Police Officers, up pops a new one.

I think you misunderstood. The law and the judge set the fine. But it is not unusual for a LEO, catching someone going 60 in a 45 zone to write the ticket for 54, depending on the circumstances

Nucky
08-31-2016, 09:53 AM
Is that really how it worked in NJ? If you could show you gave money to the police charities they let you go? And the cops have "total discretion" over ticket vs warning and what speed to choose to write down which certainly changes the consequences and expense of a ticket?

Isn't that a fairly damning report on the integrity of cops and equal enforcement of the law? Might not such a system of "total discretion" lead to over enforcement in one community and under-enforcement in another based on some factor other than the speed of the car? And wouldn't it be ironic if the community subject to letter of the law enforcement were to point out that discrepancy in policing and be attacked for doing so by the people who have been receiving BPA get out of jail free cards? At least you said snippy not uppity.

Who said anything about giving money to the PBA? These were neighbors and friends of my sons who were officers. I respect them enormously even before they offered the cards to me and Mrs. Nucky. I, knock on wood have not gotten a speeding ticket since around 1976 when I was escorted to my home by an officer who was friends with my father. I was put on cross examination in front of my Dad. 99MPH in a 50MPH zone. The ticket was reduced greatly, I don't remember that part exactly. The lesson from the beating from my father and 90 days without the car has stuck with me for my entire life. On a long trip if I speed I know it's time to get off the road because I'm tired.

A fairly damning report of the integrity of officers...don't call them cops please....please Google...Discretion is Valor in Traffic Stops. These men I spoke with approach me to talk and open up about their experience with their job when we were at various picnics. My kids tell them I'm easy to talk to and listen well. They obviously need to vent about what goes on because of the stress. My respect level is high for all who protect our country and those who protect our community, especially the officer who wrote the ticket in front of my dad.

looneycat
08-31-2016, 10:17 AM
Yes the law was broken. And yes it's the QP's fault. What bothers me is there are so many other serious crimes going on around here that to focus on minor speeding violations is the real crime. Without the Villages these police departments would sill be one man bands. And yet they punish the hand that feeds them. Spend there time finding the crooks that steal golf carts, the scams that people use against seniors, and other opportunists that come here to rip off the residents.

I don't support speeding and especially those that speed to excess. But 26 in a 20 in a car is not excess. Go after the real crooks and give the residents a break.

he exceeded the limit by 30%, that's significant

golfing eagles
08-31-2016, 10:18 AM
Why is everyone in a rush? Medical emergency? or is the liquor store closing soon?

This is a recurrent theme on TOTV---"We're retired, what's the rush?". So I'll risk taking a 75-25 unpopular opinion.

First of all, I personally don't speed in TV, and won't defend it. So these comments are really addressed to the issue of following the speed limit vs. driving significantly below it.

BEFORE we were retired, we had lots of things to do. We needed to get to work on time, pick up the kids from school on time, get them to their soccer game on time, etc. We didn't budget extra time for dealing with drivers going 10 mph under the speed limit, and were (?appropriately) frustrated when we encountered them.

NOW, that we are retired, we have lots of things to do, just more fun. People want to get to their tee time, medical appointments, club meetings etc. on time. We don't want to spend our time dawdling on the roadways just because we are retired, there are plenty of better things to be doing, especially as our time on Earth gets more and more limited.

IF someone, due to deteriorating vision, loss of reflexes or loss of driving skills needs to go slower, that's fine, I want them to be safe. But don't expect us to stay behind someone going 20 in a 35 zone or be happy about it, just because we are "retired"

Then there is the small subset of drivers who think they should make the rules for everyone else. These are the people who plant themselves in the left lane of 466/466A/44 and drive 30-35 in a 45 zone because THEY think it is fast enough. Guess what?---you don't make the laws or enforce them, and I don't answer to YOU. If someone wants to speed, that's between them, their conscience, and LEO. MYOB!, and get in the right lane

villagetinker
08-31-2016, 10:20 AM
I may be wrong, but as I recall any road where the golf carts are allowed to drive that does NOT have a designated golf cart lane, has a 20 MPH speed limit. Burnsed blvd (Pinellas plaza) is another example of a road with a 20 MPH limit.

Bigben007
08-31-2016, 10:20 AM
It's about time. I was just commenting on how fast people have been driving. I've noticed it more and more. A lot seems to be commercial trucks.

looneycat
08-31-2016, 10:21 AM
Who said anything about giving money to the PBA? These were neighbors and friends of my sons who were officers. I respect them enormously even before they offered the cards to me and Mrs. Nucky. I, knock on wood have not gotten a speeding ticket since around 1976 when I was escorted to my home by an officer who was friends with my father. I was put on cross examination in front of my Dad. 99MPH in a 50MPH zone. The ticket was reduced greatly, I don't remember that part exactly. The lesson from the beating from my father and 90 days without the car has stuck with me for my entire life. On a long trip if I speed I know it's time to get off the road because I'm tired.

A fairly damning report of the integrity of officers...don't call them cops please....please Google...Discretion is Valor in Traffic Stops. These men I spoke with approach me to talk and open up about their experience with their job when we were at various picnics. My kids tell them I'm easy to talk to and listen well. They obviously need to vent about what goes on because of the stress. My respect level is high for all who protect our country and those who protect our community, especially the officer who wrote the ticket in front of my dad.

so falsifying statements by police is ok? oh come on officer i only shot him once, can't you let me off

golfing eagles
08-31-2016, 10:22 AM
he exceeded the limit by 30%, that's significant

I'm not sure about that. What's more "significant", 26 in a 20 zone or 91 in a 70 zone, both are "30%" over the limit, but not equally safe, IMHO. The significance is that by exceeding the speed limit the OP took a gamble, and lost. You can't be a crybaby and whine just because you got caught.

TwinTurboViper
08-31-2016, 10:49 AM
Isn't it funny how so many can condemn "us" for getting a ticket when we could almost walk that fast. So many can say that you shouldn't speed...granted your right .... but speeding is not doing 26 mph or some other "ridiculous" speed such as this. And it happens all the time instead of being in a dangerous condition they find "anything" to generate fee's. It also amazes me how so many of the "How Great Thou Art" NORTHERN people think everyone "else" should be crucified.....because "they" NEVER do anything wrong.
So I guess "this person" was also IN THE WRONG and the laws are "always" right? Some people need to understand "common sense"

Double entendre?

The story below from someone who received a citation while driving their golf cart in The Villages was passed along to me this week, and I thought it was worth sharing with you here.

Its a great reminder that when you’re in a golf cart, traffic laws still apply and they might be different that the laws you follow when in your car.

Another resource I discovered while putting this article together is GolfCartSafety.com which is run by a local law firm representing people in cases involving carts, but regardless of how you feel about lawyers its a pretty good resource so check it out.

Anyway, here’s the email I received: (Names have been removed to protect the innocent)

Recently my wife and I were going to Spanish Springs to meet another couple for dinner and a movie. Somewhere along Morse Blvd., out of the blue, I see a Deputy Sheriff on a motorcycle with his lights flashing behind me in the (Golf Cart) ‘Diamond Lane’.

I pulled to a stop and the Deputy informed me that I was exceeding 20mph in my “golf cart”. He gave me a slip of paper which stated that the Florida Statute 320.01 defines a golf cart as a vehicle which is NOT CAPABLE of exceeding 20 mph.

Because of this, when I exceeded 20 mph I was no longer in a golf cart but I was driving a motorized vehicle on public roads without proper registration or license. He then served me with a citation to that effect and told me it was a criminal offense.

He also said that if I produced a certified letter from a golf cart shop that the golf cart was adjusted to not exceed 20 mph the judge may let me off with just court costs. The citation had a date that I was to appear in the county court in Bushnell, FL. It also stated “Criminal Violation court appearance required”.

I thought to myself – here I am enjoying one of the most talked about benefits of “Florida’s Most Friendly City” on my way to a movie and I end up as a criminal.

I was very anxious so when I got home I searched the internet trying to find out how hot the water was that I was in. I went to TalkOfTheVillages and found some discussion related to my situation.

I went to the Sumter County Clerk website and found that a CLASS 2 Misdemeanor was a Criminal offense punishable with a fine of up to $500 and 6 months in the county jail.

I thought WHAT! – Morse Blvd. has a speed limit of 30mph – I was not going any speed close to the limit and I could end up fined and in jail because I was in a golf cart and not in a car. And in addition to that I will now have a CRIMINAL RECORD.
Going to Court

I appeared in court in Bushnell at 9:00 a.m. on the proper date. Misdemeanor offenses are prosecuted in Courtroom B of the court house. The Judge took time to explain in great detail how the pleading process worked and the procedure that followed each type of plea. He also said that he puts everyone on probation, usually for six months, to allow them time to pay the costs incurred. One important note stated by the judge is that he evaluates each case on its own merits, so a person should not expect the same sentencing as any other person who committed the same violation. His questions to each person who I witnessed appearing before him, including myself, were to clarify the violation and circumstances related to it.

When I was called to come before him, he read the charge and ask me for my plea. My plea was “No Contest” because I had no idea I was creating a criminal offense by driving the golf cart in excess of 20 mph. I now know I was wrong, but I didn’t even think I was speeding since Morse Blvd. has a 30 mph speed limit.

The Judge was very pleasant and professional while carrying out his duties. He didn’t fine me but told me I had court costs to pay and that he was withholding adjudication for which I am very grateful. Also, I was placed on probation until the costs were paid.

I then had some papers to sign in the court room. After this I went to the County Clerks office to setup payment and find out the amounts due ($253-court costs) and then to the cashiers office to pay – cash, credit card, (no personal checks). She sent me down the street to take the probation clerk my receipt. The lady at this office had me fill out more papers of personal info. for their system and pay them $50. This could only be a money order, nothing else – no cash, no check, no credit card only a money order. The lady in the office said I could get a money order at the Shell gas station on the corner. I walk to the gas station and gave the clerk $51.50 for the $50 money order. After I gave the lady in the probation office the $50 money order she said the case was closed and I should get written notification within a week.

THE GOOD
All the people at the court house were nice and pleasant to deal with. That includes the clerks, the deputies, and the Judge.

THE BAD
It cost $304.50 at the court house and approximately $125.00 for the certification of the golf cart. TOTAL $429.50

THE UGLY
At the end of the process you have a CRIMINAL RECORD.

NOTE: Before you can enter the court room you must be wearing long pants (no Shorts), a tucked in shirt that is buttoned up, no hat, no sunglasses, no chewing gum.

My advice – Don’t exceed 20mph by even 2 mph ......even in a 30 mph zone....... OR HAVE A RECORD & PAY FOR THE NEXT POLICE OFFICERS PAY RAISE...... "Only In The Friendly Hometown".... The Villages :)

VApeople
08-31-2016, 10:51 AM
What bothers me is there are so many other serious crimes going on around here that to focus on minor speeding violations is the real crime.

Spend there time finding the crooks that steal golf carts

In my opinion, speeding is a more serious offense than stealing a golf cart.

If you speed, there is more chance you may hurt someone else. If someone takes your golf cart, no one gets hurt, and you will probably benefit from walking when you play golf.

Coal Miner
08-31-2016, 10:54 AM
The driver in this case has every right to complain, instead of his tax dollars being used to protect him, they were used to harass him. Cut me a break, 26 mph is not dangerous. This cop was out gouging the tax payers for more money, when he should have been trying to catch real criminals. Theres no shortage of criminals around TV these days.

Challenger
08-31-2016, 10:57 AM
$140 for 26 mph in a 20 mph zone and not even a "school zone". And I'm sure there are many many of "The Villagers" that are getting "taken" to the cleaners daily but many "Villagers" also have exceeded the 20 mph "trap" almost daily but your turn is coming

And yes I have also heard "horror stories" about the Golf Carts getting $600 tickets!....over and over but there's a lot of difference in being in a Golf Cart & a automobile doing 26 mph !!!

What happened to "warnings"? like the olden days.
It's not like I was doing 90 mph in a school zone @

And they think Bernie Madoff was a crook??? I know some of the "do gooders" love it when "others" do such a terrible crime

Any attorney's available?

exceeding the limit- got caught- no excuse.

Polar Bear
08-31-2016, 11:06 AM
In my opinion, speeding is a more serious offense than stealing a golf cart...
I'm not condoning speeding, but 6 mph over the 20 mph speed limit is more serious than stealing a golf cart? You're kidding, right? Please tell me you're kidding. :ohdear:

HimandMe
08-31-2016, 11:06 AM
$140 for 26 mph in a 20 mph zone and not even a "school zone". And I'm sure there are many many of "The Villagers" that are getting "taken" to the cleaners daily but many "Villagers" also have exceeded the 20 mph "trap" almost daily but your turn is coming

And yes I have also heard "horror stories" about the Golf Carts getting $600 tickets!....over and over but there's a lot of difference in being in a Golf Cart & a automobile doing 26 mph !!!

What happened to "warnings"? like the olden days.
It's not like I was doing 90 mph in a school zone @

And they think Bernie Madoff was a crook??? I know some of the "do gooders" love it when "others" do such a terrible crime

Any attorney's available?

Seems very excessive for six miles over. I remember my mom teaching me how to drive saying go 5 miles over or the speed limit because if you go slower the other drivers will hate you. You never got stopped unless it was at least ten miles over. Although on roundabouts, you need to go the speed limit.
I'm glad to see police are watching as so many, mostly construction workers fly past or do strange things. I would think 95% of Villagers have gone 6 miles over. And.....

bookseller61
08-31-2016, 11:08 AM
When some of you law abiders get a ticket for going a few miles an hour over the 20 mph speed liMIT perhaps you won't need to be so high and mighty! One momentary distraction shouldn't cost anybody hundreds of dollars for such a minor discretion . Get off your high horses. When it happens to you you'll be singing a new tune! You shouldn't have to live being paranoid or hyper-aware AR
T all times that you might accidently be a few ticks above the very low speed limit. This is more about raising money for the county coffers than it is about enforcrment!

Rapscallion St Croix
08-31-2016, 11:08 AM
I love reading all the opinions, those I agree with as well as those which are wrong.

Gpsma
08-31-2016, 11:09 AM
So your mother told you to speed or you will be hated by others? There is a more than subtle attempt at teaching you to not be yourself but go with the pack. Interesting.

Barefoot
08-31-2016, 11:20 AM
..(snipped due to length) .... but speeding is not doing 26 mph or some other "ridiculous" speed such as this. .... It also amazes me how so many of the "How Great Thou Art" NORTHERN people think everyone "else" should be crucified.....because "they" NEVER do anything wrong. So I guess "this person" was also IN THE WRONG and the laws are "always" right? Some people need to understand "common sense".
Speeding is going faster than the posted limit. Common sense is abiding by the law.
I don't think any "Northerner" was saying anything other than ....
If you choose to speed, don't be a crybaby when you get a ticket!

VApeople
08-31-2016, 11:25 AM
I'm not condoning speeding, but 6 mph over the 20 mph speed limit is more serious than stealing a golf cart? You're kidding, right? Please tell me your kidding. :ohdear:

I'm serious. Speeding is a very serious offense that may endanger other people.

golfing eagles
08-31-2016, 11:26 AM
My advice � Don�t exceed 20mph by even 2 mph ......even in a 30 mph zone....... OR HAVE A RECORD & PAY FOR THE NEXT POLICE OFFICERS PAY RAISE...... "Only In The Friendly Hometown".... The Villages :)

First of all, the speed limit in the cart lane is 20, not 30 like the roadway.
Second, if the cart was ACTUALLY going 22 it seems excessive, I'm not sure the radar guns are even that accurate. But I've been passed by "carts" (not LSVs) going 30+.
The problem is that you have to draw a line somewhere.
The line between cart and LSV is 20 mph, right or wrong
The line in a 20 mph zone IS 20 mph---not 26.
People get upset when they are caught "crossing the line", probably because the chances of getting caught are low, and there is variability in enforcement as well. If you KNEW that you would be caught EVERY time you were speeding, and that EVERYONE ELSE was equally caught, I think there would be more people obeying speed limits. But again, if you gamble and lose, don't be a crybaby

kansasr
08-31-2016, 11:28 AM
I'm sorry, but that's the equivalent of doing 91 on the Turnpike....

golfing eagles
08-31-2016, 11:32 AM
I'm sorry, but that's the equivalent of doing 91 on the Turnpike....

No, not really---see post #48. If you are going 20 and someone going 26 is not paying attention and rear ends you, you'll get a dented bumper and shouldn't lose control of your vehicle. If someone going 91 does the same thing when you are going 70, you will probably end up dead.
And you are not going to tell me going 1.3 mph in a 1 mph zone is equivalent as well, just because it is "30%" over the limit

Polar Bear
08-31-2016, 11:34 AM
I'm serious. Speeding is a very serious offense that may endanger other people.
So all the people who drive 6 (SIX) mph over the speed limit are more serious criminals than those who steal golf carts. Yeah...that's logical.

By the way, DRIVING...like all forms of transportation...endangers other people. Again...not condoning speeding. But driving is not 100% safe up to the speed limit, and then suddenly extremely dangerous at 1 mph above the speed limit. We're talking about doing 26-in-a-20 here...not 100-in-a-55.

golfing eagles
08-31-2016, 11:36 AM
So all the people who drive 6 (SIX) mph over the speed limit are more serious criminals than those who steal golf carts. Yeah...that's logical.

By the way...DRIVING endangers other people.

:agree:
OMG, I agreed with PB again. What is this world coming to?????:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Polar Bear
08-31-2016, 11:44 AM
:agree:
OMG, I agreed with PB again. What is this world coming to?????:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[emoji33]

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Chatbrat
08-31-2016, 12:02 PM
If the OP was doing 25, he would have gotten a warning-state law you must be doing more than 5 mph over the posted limit to get ticketed & fined

ColdNoMore
08-31-2016, 12:46 PM
I'm not sure about that. What's more "significant", 26 in a 20 zone or 91 in a 70 zone, both are "30%" over the limit, but not equally safe, IMHO.

"Safe" has nothing to do with it...as that is just an opinion.

A lot better factor in what is 'safe,' is the vehicle being driven and the drivers skill.

6 mph over of say a 45 mph limit, is usually perfectly 'safe'...even by mediocre drivers.

That's why the % of exceeding the posted speed limit, is a much better indicator of the supposed 'allowance'...that some people think cops should automatically give them.

The OP was busted for exceeding the speed limit by a significant %...and should stop whining and pay it. :shrug:

Nucky
08-31-2016, 01:08 PM
so falsifying statements by police is ok? oh come on officer i only shot him once, can't you let me off

No one got shot, what are you talking about? It was a terrific life lesson that stuck with yours truly forever. Everyone is pointing out the technicalities of this ticket. Put yourself in the OP's shoes.
It is a shame and feelings were hurt and the Madoff statement was probably over the line but who wouldn't lash out if they perceived being wronged? So many perfect people who live by the letter of the law when they sit faceless behind their computer.

Bogie Shooter
08-31-2016, 01:11 PM
Yes the law was broken. And yes it's the QP's fault. What bothers me is there are so many other serious crimes going on around here that to focus on minor speeding violations is the real crime. Without the Villages these police departments would sill be one man bands. And yet they punish the hand that feeds them. Spend there time finding the crooks that steal golf carts, the scams that people use against seniors, and other opportunists that come here to rip off the residents.

I don't support speeding and especially those that speed to excess. But 26 in a 20 in a car is not excess. Go after the real crooks and give the residents a break.

Come on, you know damn well that they are doing all of those things. If you don't just read the paper.............

NECHFalcon68
08-31-2016, 01:12 PM
But I am trying to figure out where there is a 20 mile speed zone in the Villages besides the roundabouts...most of the roads are 30, and the 4 lane roads are 35...although the signs entering TV say the speed limit is 20 unless posted....

Virtually EVERY street in the villages that does not have a designated Cart/Bicycle lane has a speed limit of 20 MPH, unless it is posted even slower. Flying around a golf cart on your neighborhood street is unsafe and illegal, and therefore a ticket-able offense.[/QUOTE]

I agree that the neighborhood streets are 20mph, but I said roads, not streets. I was referring to St Charles, Bailey, pinellas, Hillsborough, etc.
It's rare for a speed trap to be on a neighborhood street, except in Winifred where they are trying to nab the golf carts.

Bonny
08-31-2016, 01:35 PM
I'm still kind of chuckling to myself reading these posts.
Speeding is speeding and it's against the law. Where do you draw the line? 6 miles over, OK, what about 7 over or 8 over.
It's kind of like sayin', "Officer, I know I was wrong and broke the law, but it was only a little bit so it shouldn't count" :loco: :a20:

600th Photo Sq
08-31-2016, 01:44 PM
Well so far not one posting has said a Thank You to the original poster and all the past and present traffic offenders who have gotten caught, by the men and women in blue. So with that in mind I'll step up and be the first to say " Thank You " .

A) The fines go towards the taxes, which go towards the wages, and of course help in maintaining our fantastic roads...most are very,very smooth.

B) Do I feel your pain..of course not...take the wife out to dinner and stop whining, I recommend Nancy Lopez. A nice bottle of wine Sauvignon Blanc, New Zealand, Marlboro Region to start off with...

Again,

Thank You and all the others, for contributing to our tax base...I have my fingers crossed that you got nailed in Sumter County.

Bonny
08-31-2016, 02:03 PM
Well so far not one posting has said a Thank You to the original poster and all the past and present traffic offenders who have gotten caught, by the men and women in blue. So with that in mind I'll step up and be the first to say " Thank You " .

A) The fines go towards the taxes, which go towards the wages, and of course help in maintaining our fantastic roads...most are very,very smooth.

B) Do I feel your pain..of course not...take the wife out to dinner and stop whining, I recommend Nancy Lopez. A nice bottle of wine Sauvignon Blanc, New Zealand, Marlboro Region to start off with...

Again,

Thank You and all the others, for contributing to our tax base...I have my fingers crossed that you got nailed in Sumter County.
:BigApplause:

TomOB
08-31-2016, 02:27 PM
My take on all of these different responses. Driving 30% over the speed limit is not dangerous and that law should be ignored while police search for real criminals. Can anyone make a list of laws that should be enforced and those which should be ignored?

Chatbrat
08-31-2016, 02:46 PM
In all reality @ 25mph or 5 mph, the OP was good to go, but @ 6 mph he was subject to fines and $$ penalty-IMHO--he was most likely caught in a quota trap--which no LEO will ever admit to

NavyNJ
08-31-2016, 02:52 PM
Are you really serious when you say a Police Officer writing the ticket can set how much the fine will be? Wow! Just when I've thought I've heard all misconceptions about Police Officers, up pops a new one.

I think he meant that they have discretion in deciding how much to write the excessive speed amount.....not the dollar amt of the fine. The former, they absolutely have discretion with.....the latter, none, as it is determined by the local ordinance's fine scale for amt over speed limit, as written in the tkt/citation/summons.

Fredster
08-31-2016, 03:00 PM
Don't get me wrong, I am not for speeding,
or driving in an unsafe manner,
but there are so many people in TV that
drive their golf carts quite a bit over the 20 mph speed limits,
that I have to smile, when I read the number
of self righteous comments posted here!

golfing eagles
08-31-2016, 03:09 PM
Don't get me wrong, I am not for speeding,
or driving in an unsafe manner,
but there are so many people in TV that
drive their golf carts quite a bit over the 20 mph speed limits,
that I have to smile, when I read the number
of self righteous comments posted here!

You're right---but also realize you have to INTENTIONALLY adjust your cart to over 20 in the first place. So if you have no intention of speeding in your cart and don't want that awful criminal charge noted above, leave your hands off the governor.

Carla B
08-31-2016, 03:21 PM
Neighborhood street speed limits are 15 mph, at least in our neighborhood. No one obeys the speed limit until they're pulling into their own driveway.

MarkinMd
08-31-2016, 03:22 PM
To the original poster: You did get a warning before you received the ticket. It was the 20 mph sign. (I have heard this from countless judges in traffic court).

Mikeod
08-31-2016, 03:27 PM
You're right---but also realize you have to INTENTIONALLY adjust your cart to over 20 in the first place. So if you have no intention of speeding in your cart and don't want that awful criminal charge noted above, leave your hands off the governor.
Not necessarily true. My cart was purchased new and I've never touched the governor. It came with a speedometer and it was capable of more than 20 mph.

Fredster
08-31-2016, 03:32 PM
To the original poster: You did get a warning before you received the ticket. It was the 20 mph sign. (I have heard this from countless judges in traffic court).

WOW, how many tickets have you gotten? LOL

golfing eagles
08-31-2016, 03:34 PM
Not necessarily true. My cart was purchased new and I've never touched the governor. It came with a speedometer and it was capable of more than 20 mph.

Mine too---21.6 mph slightly downhill. But I've been passed by carts (not LSVs) going at least 30. I believe the law states that the cart cannot be capable of going over 20 mph on level ground, but I could be wrong.

graciegirl
08-31-2016, 03:40 PM
Mine too---21.6 mph slightly downhill. But I've been passed by carts (not LSVs) going at least 30. I believe the law states that the cart cannot be capable of going over 20 mph on level ground, but I could be wrong.

Hmmm . I'm thinking that the law says not to make it go over twenty. Most are capable of doing more than twenty.

golfing eagles
08-31-2016, 03:50 PM
Hmmm . I'm thinking that the law says not to make it go over twenty. Most are capable of doing more than twenty.

That may be true for a speeding ticket, but the charges have more to do with operating an unregistered motor vehicle, ie: a golf cart capable of going over 20. I suppose a LEO could pull you over going 10 mph just to check how fast the cart is capable of going, but there might be probable cause issues. Since we don't live in a police state, I doubt this would ever happen. Which makes me question the story of the guy who had to go through misdemeanor charges in court for going 22. I suspect he was going 26+, otherwise he probably would not have caught the attention of the sheriff's deputy.

big guy
08-31-2016, 03:52 PM
I was on the Florida turnpike driving the speed limit, had my license, registration and insurance cards ready when the state trooper approached the car. I wasn't the least bit nervous because I hadn't done anything wrong....or so I thought. When he came back, he asked if I'd like to know why I was getting a ticket. "You bet", says I. He says it's because there is a plastic cover on the license plate that obscures the numbers when the sun is shining on it. All covers and frames around the plate that the dealer gives you, or with a college or sports team on them are illegal. I got a ticket for $213. I can't remember what the law says but the ticket is supposed to be less than what I paid. The law says that it's up to the individual officer whether a ticket is issued or not. I've never had an accident, a parking ticket or a moving violation. A warning would have been nice but he was having a bad day, was grumpy and took it out on me. So all of you with frames around your plates or a plastic cover beware, especially if you are on the turnpike and Officer Menendez :police: is on duty. I would have felt better if I was speeding and was ticketed for that.

big guy
08-31-2016, 03:57 PM
Thanks for the warning and sorry to hear of this. I guess 5 mph over is the new 9 mph over.

I saw a blurb (I think in the POA paper) by the Sumter County Sheriff saying that they are not giving anyone the benefit of the doubt and allowing 5 mph over the limit. He said that if you are going 2 or 3 mph over the limit, you will get a ticket.

golfing eagles
08-31-2016, 03:58 PM
I was on the Florida turnpike driving the speed limit, had my license, registration and insurance cards ready when the state trooper approached the car. I wasn't the least bit nervous because I hadn't done anything wrong....or so I thought. When he came back, he asked if I'd like to know why I was getting a ticket. "You bet", says I. He says it's because there is a plastic cover on the license plate that obscures the numbers when the sun is shining on it. All covers and frames around the plate that the dealer gives you, or with a college or sports team on them are illegal. I got a ticket for $213. I can't remember what the law says but the ticket is supposed to be less than what I paid. The law says that it's up to the individual officer whether a ticket is issued or not. I've never had an accident, a parking ticket or a moving violation. A warning would have been nice but he was having a bad day, was grumpy and took it out on me. So all of you with frames around your plates or a plastic cover beware, especially if you are on the turnpike and Officer Menendez :police: is on duty. I would have felt better if I was speeding and was ticketed for that.

Sorry, no sympathy here, those plastic covers are one of my pet peeves. They serve no purpose other than to conceal the tag # of the vehicle, which by law must be clearly displayed. If it were up to me I would fine $500 for the first offense, $1000 and 1 month suspension of license for the 2nd, and the 3rd would be a class B misdemeanor. If this sounds harsh, remember, these covers serve no purpose other than to intentionally violate the law, and I want to be able to get the plate # of some clown who tries to pull a hit and run.

golfing eagles
08-31-2016, 04:00 PM
I saw a blurb (I think in the POA paper) by the Sumter County Sheriff saying that they are not giving anyone the benefit of the doubt and allowing 5 mph over the limit. He said that if you are going 2 or 3 mph over the limit, you will get a ticket.

I hope they have the world's most accurate radar guns and calibrate them frequently according to the manufacturer's guidelines. Otherwise, they will be spending a lot of time in court as judge after judge throws the case out.

2BNTV
08-31-2016, 04:01 PM
I agree with the poster that said the LEO wrote the ticket for 26 in a 20 zone but the OP was going much faster.

One must pay the fine and could go to traffic school so it does not appear as points on their license and not get the subsequent increase on their insurance premium.

It's easier to pay the fine as you won't beat it in court. IMHO

Those who knowingly drive their carts faster than 20 MPH are going to be fined more heavily if they get caught.

I am happy that my cart cannot go more than 19.5 MPH and even if I were to be going downhill, the governor kicks in and slows to cart speed appropriately.

big guy
08-31-2016, 04:06 PM
Mine too---21.6 mph slightly downhill. But I've been passed by carts (not LSVs) going at least 30. I believe the law states that the cart cannot be capable of going over 20 mph on level ground, but I could be wrong.

If it can go more than 20 mph it should be a registered vehicle. So the high price of the ticket is for not having a registered vehicle. They told us that if our granddaughter was driving the golfcart and speeding (anything over 20), she would be ticketed and the record sent to NJ that she was driving an unregistered vehicle. It would go on her record and she wouldn't be able to get her license. She was 14 at the time and there always was an adult with her in the golf cart.

golfing eagles
08-31-2016, 04:12 PM
If it can go more than 20 mph it should be a registered vehicle. So the high price of the ticket is for not having a registered vehicle. They told us that if our granddaughter was driving the golfcart and speeding (anything over 20), she would be ticketed and the record sent to NJ that she was driving an unregistered vehicle. It would go on her record and she wouldn't be able to get her license. She was 14 at the time and there always was an adult with her in the golf cart.

If I drop it out of an airplane at 20,000 feet it will hit the ground at 176 mph----will they be there to ticket it then???? All carts tend to get a little over 20 when they first start downhill until the governor kicks in. I think the point is that the cart is not permitted to be MANUFACTURED or MODIFIED to go over 20 on level ground

golf2140
08-31-2016, 04:23 PM
If an officer was watching for speeder in a 20 MPH zone it was after residents complaints about speeding vehicles. I'm sure he was not happy to be posted there but did the job he was assigned !!!!!!!!!!!!!

big guy
08-31-2016, 04:29 PM
Sorry, no sympathy here, those plastic covers are one of my pet peeves. They serve no purpose other than to conceal the tag # of the vehicle, which by law must be clearly displayed. If it were up to me I would fine $500 for the first offense, $1000 and 1 month suspension of license for the 2nd, and the 3rd would be a class B misdemeanor. If this sounds harsh, remember, these covers serve no purpose other than to intentionally violate the law, and I want to be able to get the plate # of some clown who tries to pull a hit and run.

We moved here from northern Ohio......lots of snow and ice and salt to melt it all, which turns a plate to rust. Not a thought of hiding our plate number to "intentionally violate the law"crossed our minds.....just protecting the plate. When we got the new plate here my husband just automatically put the cover back on. I would have been driving 90 mph if I wanted to break the law.

Rapscallion St Croix
08-31-2016, 04:32 PM
If it can go more than 20 mph it should be a registered vehicle. So the high price of the ticket is for not having a registered vehicle. They told us that if our granddaughter was driving the golfcart and speeding (anything over 20), she would be ticketed and the record sent to NJ that she was driving an unregistered vehicle. It would go on her record and she wouldn't be able to get her license. She was 14 at the time and there always was an adult with her in the golf cart.

Who is "They"?

golfing eagles
08-31-2016, 04:40 PM
We moved here from northern Ohio......lots of snow and ice and salt to melt it all, which turns a plate to rust. Not a thought of hiding our plate number to "intentionally violate the law"crossed our minds.....just protecting the plate. When we got the new plate here my husband just automatically put the cover back on. I would have been driving 90 mph if I wanted to break the law.

Then am I safe to assume you have the most clear plastic imaginable, NOT the smoky brown ones that I see all the time making it impossible to read the plate number even from 25 feet away? If so, fine, but you are in the minority of plate covers that I have seen.

PS. I lived in an area with far more snow and salt than Northern Ohio, and never had a license plate rust.

Fredster
08-31-2016, 05:16 PM
Glad I followed this thread, since I just found about Florida Statute 320.061
Which basically states that you can't put a frame
or anything on your plate that covers any information on it!
It seems this may be more of a problem for folks that
come from other states that do not have such a stringent statute.
Looks like I'll have to remove the frame that is still on our rear plate which never was a concern up north!

ColdNoMore
08-31-2016, 05:49 PM
As for 'obscured' license plates, I wonder how all the pickup trucks that have balls on their hitches, whereby they cover 2-4 characters...get away with it? :confused:

It must be selective enforcement for sure.

Fredster
08-31-2016, 05:58 PM
As for 'obscured' license plates, I wonder how all the pickup trucks that have balls on their hitches, whereby they cover 2-4 characters...get away with it? :confused:

It must be selective enforcement for sure.

Basically, it is really pretty much
a judgement call by the LEO!

Topspinmo
08-31-2016, 06:28 PM
Neighborhood street speed limits are 15 mph, at least in our neighborhood. No one obeys the speed limit until they're pulling into their own driveway.

In mine it's 10 MPH. That's because 10 or 15 mph is unrealistic. When cars are first started the are in the cold start mode. RPM are around 1700 rpm. That's about 17 Mph unless you ride the brakes till the car comes off cold start mode. Nobody drives 10 mph in residential or parking lot. Not even on bicycles.

MarkinMd
08-31-2016, 06:57 PM
WOW, how many tickets have you gotten? LOL

None, I was always in court as a states witness. Retired police sgt. with 34 years.

Fredster
08-31-2016, 07:16 PM
None, I was always in court as a states witness. Retired police sgt. with 34 years.

I hope you know I was just kidding? :wave:

kcrazorbackfan
08-31-2016, 09:28 PM
Wait a minute here folks. Have we heard anymore from the OP since that original post? Questions have been asked of that person with no responses. Have we been trolled? If so, there was a lot of banter for 26 in a 20. :loco::loco:

Duppa
08-31-2016, 09:31 PM
Wait a minute here folks. Have we heard anymore from the OP since that original post? Questions have been asked of that person with no responses. Have we been trolled? If so, there was a lot of banter for 26 in a 20. :loco::loco:

Hmmm... Had me thinks, and had well.

ditka41
08-31-2016, 10:21 PM
Perhaps OP was simply trying to entertain the bored amongst us since there are no "snowbirds" to complain about right now. But, it won't be long now before they can become "targets" and the golf fees head up. Drive safely, use your turn signals and get out of that left lane!

Bonny
09-01-2016, 07:06 AM
Wait a minute here folks. Have we heard anymore from the OP since that original post? Questions have been asked of that person with no responses. Have we been trolled? If so, there was a lot of banter for 26 in a 20. :loco::loco:
My thoughts right from the beginning. :laugh:

stan the man
09-01-2016, 07:09 AM
None, I was always in court as a states witness. Retired police sgt. with 34 years.

If you are stopped for anything , do you show you retired shield or tell the officer you are a retired police officer ????

Bogie Shooter
09-01-2016, 07:31 AM
This thread is almost as much fun to read as our popular dog poop threads!:popcorn:

dewilson58
09-01-2016, 08:00 AM
This thread is almost as much fun to read as our popular dog poop threads!:popcorn:

Yesterday I saw a dog pooping when it was still walking...........that dog should get a speeding ticket.

golfing eagles
09-01-2016, 08:03 AM
Yesterday I saw a dog pooping when it was still walking...........that dog should get a speeding ticket.

Looks like it depends on whether or not the dog was walking "30%" above the dog walk speed limit:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

MarkinMd
09-01-2016, 09:21 AM
If you are stopped for anything , do you show you retired shield or tell the officer you are a retired police officer ????

I know this is a little off topic but to answer your question I have not been stopped by the police for anything. However if I'm stopped I will show him my retired ID but not for the reason of getting out of a ticket but because of the concealed weapon I have. I don't want to startle him/her when I reach for my wallet and my weapon becomes visible.

I actually drive pretty slow after a five year assignment in the traffic division. One of my duties was to conduct death notifications to the families of the deceased. It was by far the hardest time of my career. Speed by itself doesn't cause crashes but it's hard to violate the laws of physics.

Chatbrat
09-01-2016, 09:42 AM
In Florida you don not have to tell the LEO you have a concealed weapon in your car if you are stopped.

IMHO-it would be great if your driver's license had a CCW endorsement on it.

MarkinMd
09-01-2016, 09:45 AM
In Florida you don not have to tell the LEO you have a concealed weapon in your car if you are stopped.

IMHO-it would be great if your driver's license had a CCW endorsement on it.

I agree about the endorsement- great idea. However, I don't want to be dead right.