Traffic Ticket

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

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$140 for 26 mph in a 20 mph zone and not even a "school zone". And I'm sure there are many many of "The Villagers" that are getting "taken" to the cleaners daily but many "Villagers" also have exceeded the 20 mph "trap" almost daily but your turn is coming

And yes I have also heard "horror stories" about the Golf Carts getting $600 tickets!....over and over but there's a lot of difference in being in a Golf Cart & a automobile doing 26 mph !!!

What happened to "warnings"? like the olden days.
It's not like I was doing 90 mph in a school zone @

And they think Bernie Madoff was a crook??? I know some of the "do gooders" love it when "others" do such a terrible crime

Any attorney's available?

My wife got one today. Same thing, 26 in a 20. It happened on Bichara Blvd near LaGrande as she was coming from Publix.
Her fine is $131.00.
Something is going on. Either the police have been getting a lot of complaints about speeding in a particular area, or they want to send a message.
I try to stay within 5 mph of the speed limit all the time, but who knows? I might slip over once in a while.
Be careful out there.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Does anyone know if you go to court and fight it and are found guilty, do you have to pay court costs in addition to the fine?

[blueash]

Does anyone know if you go to court and fight it and are found guilty, do you have to pay court costs in addition to the fine?

Yes you do. At my welcome to the villages session county Judge Skidmore addressed the attendees. He told us that in any dispute in his courtroom between the story as told by a cop vs the story as told by one of us, he is ALWAYS going to believe the cop, so don't bother contesting tickets. He freely expressed his unwillingness to consider that the cop might be wrong. And he added that the court costs were going to be even higher than the cost of the ticket. I don't think he was joking.

[Two Bills]

Does anyone know if you go to court and fight it and are found guilty, do you have to pay court costs in addition to the fine?

I don't know, but if your wife was doing that speed, why fight the case? Put it down to right place, wrong time.

Why should you get a free ride from costs in court if you are guilty?

If however your wife is innocent, and the police were being vindictive, or the equipment was faulty, go for it, and I wish you the best of luck.

However, having just read Blueash's comment, I would think discretion is the better part of valour!

[rubicon]

Does anyone know if you go to court and fight it and are found guilty, do you have to pay court costs in addition to the fine?

Doc: Long ago in another universe I received a ticket for going 60mph in a 55mph and to add insult to injury I was just entering a ramp and to merge with oncoming traffic. I called an attorney friend who intervened and he said the Judge told him it was over the limit whether 1 mph or 100mph and the cop had a right to issue the ticket; albeit the judge thought the cop was being an a--. I can also tell you that for numerous reasons a county is going to enforce the ticket from the guy who issued it to the guy who will judge who will find you guilty. Its all found money.

Frankly I believe police are in an untenable position and provide far better a service then is recognized and appreciated

But a speeding ticket for 6 mph over a bit much

[Mikeod]

Definitely sending a message to drive with caution where people are shopping and walking to their vehicles. We've see some outrageous driving in those areas. Unfortunately, those that are within reason of the limit get caught along with those that are grossly in violation. Perhaps using one of those radar trailers to show speed would have been nice to provide a warning before they started ticketing. Although I'm not sure how they would position it without blocking the cart lanes.

[Allegiance]

I think it's great we live in an area where crime is so low police can enforce these types of infractions! Until it happens to me ;)

[ColdNoMore]

All '6 mph over'...are not created equal.

Percentage over the posted limit...and all that. :D

[Allegiance]

All '6 mph over'...are not created equal.

Percentage over the posted limit...and all that. :D
Very true

[John_W]

So were talking about the road between the Belk's/Publix Shopping Center and Applebees, KFC, AAA stores? I can't believe that road has a 20 mph limit. It appears more like a Lady Lake speed trap when they need to pad the coffers.

[bagboy]

So were talking about the road between the Belk's/Publix Shopping Center and Applebees, KFC, AAA stores? I can't believe that road has a 20 mph limit. It appears more like a Lady Lake speed trap when they need to pad the coffers.

With all the traffic at the shopping centers and restaurants, cars and carts pulling in and out often, I think a higher speed limit would be a recipe for disaster.

[champion6]

I'm curious. I've seen the two posts about "26 in a 20." That's what the citations says. What I'm wondering is how fast were these vehicle actually traveling. In other words, were they actually going faster than 26 and actually got a break from the officer?

[alancusa]

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My wife got one today. Same thing, 26 in a 20. It happened on Bichara Blvd near LaGrande as she was coming from Publix.
Her fine is $131.00.
Something is going on. Either the police have been getting a lot of complaints about speeding in a particular area, or they want to send a message.
I try to stay within 5 mph of the speed limit all the time, but who knows? I might slip over once in a while.
Be careful out there.

What am I missing? Isn't 26mph in a 20mph speed zone called speeding?

[rubicon]

In order to maintain 20mph on a 20mph road you would have to take your foot off the accelerator and let momentum take control. The two tickets for 26 mph may well signal zero tolerance above 5mph by law enforcement on roads posted or not posted at 20 mph. I am not saying this is true but if true that's about as absolute as it gets. And 20mph is a painfully slow pace.

But you can't win because the PR is always going to be about safety and unless you can prove a repeated pattern of abuse by LOE as was done in Illinois concerning red light cameras or the speed trap set north on 301. In both instances it took a judge who was in a position to place together the police misuse of traffic citations.

[villagetinker]

So were talking about the road between the Belk's/Publix Shopping Center and Applebees, KFC, AAA stores? I can't believe that road has a 20 mph limit. It appears more like a Lady Lake speed trap when they need to pad the coffers.

There are signs that indicate any road in the villages without a posted speed limit, the limit is 20 MPH. Also, there are several roads on the villages that are NOT multimode roads and are shared by golf carts and cars, these are specifically limited to 20 MPH. Burnsed in the village of Pinellas is one of these and has 20 MPH signs. Looks like the police have been listening to the complaints of speeders.........

[JoMar]

In order to maintain 20mph on a 20mph road you would have to take your foot off the accelerator and let momentum take control. The two tickets for 26 mph may well signal zero tolerance above 5mph by law enforcement on roads posted or not posted at 20 mph. I am not saying this is true but if true that's about as absolute as it gets. And 20mph is a painfully slow pace.

But you can't win because the PR is always going to be about safety and unless you can prove a repeated pattern of abuse by LOE as was done in Illinois concerning red light cameras or the speed trap set north on 301. In both instances it took a judge who was in a position to place together the police misuse of traffic citations.

You must find it really painful in a school zone.

[rubicon]

You must find it really painful in a school zone.

No because of its stated purpose same as a parking lot etc
I do find it painful when the car ahead of me is going 20mph in a 35mph but then I guess that the suffering I receive now makes it that less likely that I'll suffer in purgatory..so all is well that ends well:D

[circletrack]

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My wife got one today. Same thing, 26 in a 20. It happened on Bichara Blvd near LaGrande as she was coming from Publix.
Her fine is $131.00.
Something is going on. Either the police have been getting a lot of complaints about speeding in a particular area, or they want to send a message.
I try to stay within 5 mph of the speed limit all the time, but who knows? I might slip over once in a while.
Be careful out there.

That road had a big electronic sign up for months warning about speeding. I think they have become serious about enforcement on that road. It's a tricky stretch of road because folks don't always seem to realize that they do, or don't, have a stop sign.

[bbbbbb]

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My wife got one today. Same thing, 26 in a 20. It happened on Bichara Blvd near LaGrande as she was coming from Publix.
Her fine is $131.00.
Something is going on. Either the police have been getting a lot of complaints about speeding in a particular area, or they want to send a message.
I try to stay within 5 mph of the speed limit all the time, but who knows? I might slip over once in a while.
Be careful out there.

Speed limits are set to help prevent accidents but yet, some folks just do not get it. Consider this:
At 66 miles per hour, you are moving 88 feet per second. In a cart at 20 mph you are moving at almost 30 feet per second. Slow down, what is the hurry???

:bigbow:

[Rosie1950]

No worries the birds will be back soon enough to take up the slack and keep the PD on their toes. Seems we have bigger concerns with people who think there are too many STOP signs in the world, and do not STOP at half of them! Really wishing the PD could be more on top of that, but who knows the tickets might not be as high.

[Madelaine Amee]

From a closed thread


My wife got one today. Same thing, 26 in a 20. It happened on Bichara Blvd near LaGrande as she was coming from Publix.
Her fine is $131.00.
Something is going on. Either the police have been getting a lot of complaints about speeding in a particular area, or they want to send a message.
I try to stay within 5 mph of the speed limit all the time, but who knows? I might slip over once in a while.
Be careful out there.

Doc, help me out here - are we talking a speeding ticket in a golf cart or car? I do use this road to get to AAA and I drive a car on this road and I, for one, am sorry your wife got a ticket, but I appreciate the heads up that the police are out there. Now if they would come to BV where they are really, really needed and ticket a few, that would be great! I had better take my foot off the gas and slow down:evil6:. I left a club meeting at Seabreeze yesterday and could not believe the speed - was like a race track and it was pouring with rain.

[GatorFan]

If you had seen some of the accidents I have on that 20mph road you would understand.

Golf carts and autos, side streets, exiting fast food restaurants..bad combinations

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

All '6 mph over'...are not created equal.

Percentage over the posted limit...and all that. :D

Not true. 84 in a 70 mph zone is much worse than 18 in a 15 mph zone yet both are 20% over.

Sometimes percentages don't reflect the actual increase in danger.

You don't lose very much control of a vehicle by going 3 mph over regardless of the speed. An accident at 18 would not be much worse than an accident at 15. The same could not be said for the difference between 70 and 84.

[golfing eagles]

Doc: Long ago in another universe I received a ticket for going 60mph in a 55mph and to add insult to injury I was just entering a ramp and to merge with oncoming traffic. I called an attorney friend who intervened and he said the Judge told him it was over the limit whether 1 mph or 100mph and the cop had a right to issue the ticket

I hate it when drivers merge with oncoming traffic---tends to cause a lot of front end damage:cus::cus::cus:

[jimbo2012]

Guess it's time to add a radar detector on our carts :ohdear:

[CWGUY]

Guess it's time to add a radar detector on our carts :ohdear:

;) OP did not say if was a cart. If it was... I'm thinking it would have been more than $131.

Maybe time to just slow down - car or cart. :coolsmiley:

[Nucky]

Baby You Can Drive My Car! Sorry I couldn't resist. Mrs. Nucky had a similar infraction a while back. It is probably better to pay the tab and be done with this. I am also sorry for this happening. Many people we live with are perfect. When you get pinched it feels terrible enough paying for the extra court costs will hurt even more. Consultations with a lawyer are free. What a damn shame.

[KennyP]

Its that time of the year.
They like to hang out in the center divide at the Polo field
and on Morse in the morning.
Its a good revenue generator this time of the year, and I'm sure it will be cars and golf cars

[Bogie Shooter]

Its that time of the year.
They like to hang out in the center divide at the Polo field
and on Morse in the morning.
Its a good revenue generator this time of the year, and I'm sure it will be cars and golf cars

Good! If it slows down the traffic, good!
Don't speed, and you have no worries.
I hope it generates a lot of revenue.

[visuallogic]

Yes, you will be required to ALSO pay court fees

[ColdNoMore]

Not true. 84 in a 70 mph zone is much worse than 18 in a 15 mph zone yet both are 20% over.

Sometimes percentages don't reflect the actual increase in danger.

You don't lose very much control of a vehicle by going 3 mph over regardless of the speed. An accident at 18 would not be much worse than an accident at 15. The same could not be said for the difference between 70 and 84.

Not true.

The issue is how much faster than the posted speed a vehicle is going and the only way to make a common sense equivalency comparison...is by using percentages.

Someone's personal opinion on safety...has absolutely nothing to do with it.

Almost any modern vehicle with a competent driver on an interstate/toll road is perfectly 'safe'...at 84 mph.

The same goes for drivers exceeding the speed limit by 30% on roads posted at say 35/40/45/50 mph. It's not about 'safety'...it's about exceeding the speed limit.

Or do you think those that exceed by 'only 6mph' in a 10 mph zone, should be given a pass also...even though they are exceeding the posted limit by 60%?

The bottom line is that your wife exceeded the posted speed limit by 30%...and shouldn't be complaining about being cited IMHO. :shrug:

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Doc, help me out here - are we talking a speeding ticket in a golf cart or car? I do use this road to get to AAA and I drive a car on this road and I, for one, am sorry your wife got a ticket, but I appreciate the heads up that the police are out there. Now if they would come to BV where they are really, really needed and ticket a few, that would be great! I had better take my foot off the gas and slow down:evil6:. I left a club meeting at Seabreeze yesterday and could not believe the speed - was like a race track and it was pouring with rain.

She was in our car, but I've been in the golf cart on that road on some long slightly downhill stretches where it approaches 25-26 mph.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

So were talking about the road between the Belk's/Publix Shopping Center and Applebees, KFC, AAA stores? I can't believe that road has a 20 mph limit. It appears more like a Lady Lake speed trap when they need to pad the coffers.

I agree,. It's an absurd speed limit. Accidents are not caused by people going 25 mph. It's the same as the 15 mph speed limit on Paradise Blvd and Paige. They're ridiculous. Almost everyone driving on those roads could be ticketed.

[rubicon]

I hate it when drivers merge with oncoming traffic---tends to cause a lot of front end damage:cus::cus::cus:

It was on the New York State Thruway and I was entering the Thruway via Weedsport to attend my last meeting before moving to Memphis and the trooper was sitting at the underpass. I had SAFELY merged as there were no oncoming traffic and was attempting to resume a speed of 55mph but he marked my speed as I first entered.

the trooper was being a smart--- and the Justice whom my attorney spoke with acknowledged that fact because the guy had a habit of such absolute issuance's it but again it was 5 mph over. Its this sort of nonsense that gives LOE a bad image.

the bigger problem with mergers are those who seem timid or unsure of themselves and proceed at too slow a pace creating more of a hazard. This is especially true if drivers in the merging lane are at or just above the speed limit

[Aloha1]

So, I'm curious. Who actually sets the speed limits in the Villages. If the CDDs truly are quasi political entities ( as the IRS lawsuit response contended) do they set the limits? And if so, how can the citizens get them changed?

I agree that 20 MPH is too low and 25 would be much more appropriate. In Michigan a while back, the City of East Lansing had a 25 MPH limit on a major state road that runs right through the downtown ( divided, 4 lanes). The State Police took them to court and won getting the speed limit raised to 35 as the judge concluded the 25 MPH limit was simply there for a "revenue enhancement" speed trap.

And a Judge who publicly states that he will ALWAYS only believe the LEO, is not a judge but a closed minded person who does not seem to understand the role of a Judge is to listen to BOTH sides without bias.

[CWGUY]

I agree,. It's an absurd speed limit. Accidents are not caused by people going 25 mph. It's the same as the 15 mph speed limit on Paradise Blvd and Paige. They're ridiculous. Almost everyone driving on those roads could be ticketed.

;) Sorry Doc the speed limit on Paige is 10 mph. You weren't speeding, were you? :police:

[bagboy]

Specifically Bichara Blvd and the 20mph speed limit. On this stretch of road as with many streets in The Villages, it's not about how fast you can safely drive your car, it's about how fast you can safely come to a complete stop when the unpredictable happens. This stretch of road has alot of access points to shopping, services, restaurants, etc. At any time a car, cart, bike, wheelchair, pedestrian, animal and on and on can enter your path unexpectedly, and you have a much greater chance of avoiding a collision if you are travelling at the speed limit of 20mph.

[VApeople]

he marked my speed as I first entered.

If you were exceeding the speed limit, you deserved a ticket.

I drove the Washington DC Beltway for years and almost never exceeded the speed limit, even when merging. I would just gently merge into the right lane and the drivers would either slow down or move around me.


the bigger problem with mergers are those who seem timid or unsure of themselves and proceed at too slow a pace creating more of a hazard.

I don't know about you, but our cars came with brakes. If a driver merges slowly in front of me, I press the brake pedal (try it sometime) and the car slows down. If they keep crawling along, I go around them. No problem.

[VApeople]

Specifically Bichara Blvd and the 20mph speed limit.

I just looked at the map to see where Bichara Blvd is. Yeah, we drive that road fairly often and only an idiot would go more than 20 mph on that road.

[Bonnevie]

thanks for the heads up so we remember to drive the limit around here. it's easy to creep over it.

[RedChariot]

Speed limits are set to help prevent accidents but yet, some folks just do not get it. Consider this:
At 66 miles per hour, you are moving 88 feet per second. In a cart at 20 mph you are moving at almost 30 feet per second. Slow down, what is the hurry???

:bigbow:

Morse Blvd and Buena Vista are often like race tracks. On the straight aways people let it rip. We are doing 30-35 and being left in the dust. Where are the police? These are the main thorough fares in a RETIREMENT COMMUNITY! Why???

[circletrack]

Specifically Bichara Blvd and the 20mph speed limit. On this stretch of road as with many streets in The Villages, it's not about how fast you can safely drive your car, it's about how fast you can safely come to a complete stop when the unpredictable happens. This stretch of road has alot of access points to shopping, services, restaurants, etc. At any time a car, cart, bike, wheelchair, pedestrian, animal and on and on can enter your path unexpectedly, and you have a much greater chance of avoiding a collision if you are travelling at the speed limit of 20mph.

I'm definitely guilty of going 25 mph on Bichara and often get tailgated. But you are correct. There's a lot of access points. And too many people think each one is a four-way stop when it is not.

I've have had several close calls. And that's likely the reason for the slow speed limit, and why the electronic warning sign was up on that road for several months earlier this year.

[Paper1]

What am I missing? Isn't 26mph in a 20mph speed zone called speeding?
I think the problem is it is so selective or arbitrary. I just got back from driving to Maine and back and drove anywhere from 5 to 15 mph over limit the entire way, going with flow of traffic. I saw a handful of drivers pulled over during the trip and wondered how they ended up with the short straw. I know resources are limited but if speeding in Villages or on highway is a priority put on a full court press. If you are the one out of 10,000 I do understand someone feeling singled out. To those with no empathy for that I wish you no bad luck but you should get a turn.

[Miles42]

If speeding and caught I have no excuse and will pay the ticket. I have done so in the distant past. My bad.

[Barefoot]

Guess it's time to add a radar detector on our carts.
Or go the posted speed limit.
Specifically Bichara Blvd and the 20mph speed limit. On this stretch of road as with many streets in The Villages, it's not about how fast you can safely drive your car, it's about how fast you can safely come to a complete stop when the unpredictable happens. This stretch of road has alot of access points to shopping, services, restaurants, etc. At any time a car, cart, bike, wheelchair, pedestrian, animal and on and on can enter your path unexpectedly, and you have a much greater chance of avoiding a collision if you are travelling at the speed limit of 20mph.Good explanation.

[nicoletta]

LONG before The Villages came to fruition it was well known of a little town in Central Florida called Lady Lake that had the MOST aggressive speed trap in the state.(every trucker knew of this!))(before the turnpike came long) This is why they have nice muscle cars! Charger, Camaro, Mustang etc..my analogy is such as this. The US carrier Indianapolis is The Villages.. the survivors in the water are The Villagers ..and the sharks are the aggressive Lady Lake PD speed traps. I have addressed this in another post.. I sit at highway 25 by the Vet office Blatantly eating donuts! and watch the speeders come down the hill in a 35 mph ( remember gravity doesn't discriminate for anyone or anything) and every day BAMN! the blue light special turns on!! I so do wish to start a viral video of this aggressive milking taxation of those who are known to be the top 5% mentality! ( call it what it is!)..Blatant aggressive driving I understand!! nail them!! but radar speed traps in 5 areas-- Rolling Acres road , Bichara Blvd, Highway 25 by the Racetrack, and coming in from the south the moment you hit Lady Lake ,, speed trap by Oakwood etc every day. gets to be a bit much for it seems to be all they have to do..obtain revenue thru speed traps--- Remember! just don't ask the officer if he is Kevin Thompson as you spit donut crumbs at the PO PO .. big mistake , you will find yourself with more that a ticket! get beat down and dragged off to jail!!!! for those of you that wish to know if I did this I plead the fifth!! the punishment does not fit the crime IMO one mile over and you are ticketed HERE!! been that way for decades, but they don't tell you that do they when you come here.

[nicoletta]

Or go the posted speed limit.
Good explanation.

. many entry points, and don't forget the shady Oaks that darken that part of the road Bichara Blvd . then how come No red lights to allow safer entrance in and out of those many entry points? wouldn't that help? many MVA"s are there! golf carts and cars and dark streets and multiple entry points... yet no traffic lights installed for safety (yet). is it more important to have speed traps than traffic lights? or even speed bumps so we can spill our coffee!! its all about the Revenue thru tickets!! Argh!! crash thump...Martha call 911!! I'm ok I.m ok!!

[graciegirl]

LONG before The Villages came to fruition it was well known of a little town in Central Florida called Lady Lake that had the MOST aggressive speed trap in the state.(every trucker knew of this!))(before the turnpike came long) This is why they have nice muscle cars! Charger, Camaro, Mustang etc..my analogy is such as this. The US carrier Indianapolis is The Villages.. the survivors in the water are The Villagers ..and the sharks are the aggressive Lady Lake PD speed traps. I have addressed this in another post.. I sit at highway 25 by the Vet office Blatantly eating donuts! and watch the speeders come down the hill in a 35 mph ( remember gravity doesn't discriminate for anyone or anything) and every day BAMN! the blue light special turns on!! I so do wish to start a viral video of this aggressive milking taxation of those who are known to be the top 5% mentality! ( call it what it is!)..Blatant aggressive driving I understand!! nail them!! but radar speed traps in 5 areas-- Rolling Acres road , Bichara Blvd, Highway 25 by the Racetrack, and coming in from the south the moment you hit Lady Lake ,, speed trap by Oakwood etc every day. gets to be a bit much for it seems to be all they have to do..obtain revenue thru speed traps--- Remember! just don't ask the officer if he is Kevin Thompson as you spit donut crumbs at the PO PO .. big mistake , you will find yourself with more that a ticket! get beat down and dragged off to jail!!!! for those of you that wish to know if I did this I plead the fifth!! the punishment does not fit the crime IMO one mile over and you are ticketed HERE!! been that way for decades, but they don't tell you that do they when you come here.

I remember in the not too distant past that people did not act disrespectful of Law Enforcement Officers. Now folks think they are cute doing it. Pig socks???

Most people who are beat down and dragged off to jail did something that damn sure should not have done.

MOST people who live here are law abiding and law respecting and I am not going to sit here quietly especially since I have NOT had my coffee yet this morning and not say something about this very disrespectful post.

There are bad apples in law enforcement, granted, but recently it is "cute" to say nasty things about police officers and that makes me furious.

[banjobob]

Be very aware of the 20 MPH on 466 during school hours with lights flashing. I was stopped for doing 27 and was slowing , fortunatly for me I only received a friendly warning. The police are watching!!

[golfing eagles]

Thanks for the catch on my writing skills. I stand by the rest.

I think I'll grab MY cup of coffee before responding;)

[looneycat]

go the speed limit and these 6 pages of repetitive nonsense plus the other thread are moot.

[PennBF]

In NY most police go by "eight you skate, nine your mine". so don't go over 8 MPH of the speed limits. :a040:

[ColdNoMore]

In NY most police go by "eight you skate, nine your mine". so don't go over 8 MPH of the speed limits. :a040:
I would be curious as to;

1. Where you heard this.
2. Whether it is just some LEO's personal opinion.
3. Any documentation that NY police, even most of them, think or apply the same.

And is that for ANY posted speed, or just the interstates/freeways/toll roads...or say speeds above +-60 mph?

To sum up this entire thread, the OP felt that a ticket for going "only 6 mph" over a very low posted speed limit...was somehow unfair.

By most of the responses, I don't think the hoped for empathy emerged. :shrug:

[KennyP]

85% of all people speed (true statistic) Getting a ticket is part of driving. You take your chance, if you get a ticket you chalk it up as part of driving

[spring_chicken]

I remember in the not too distant past that people did not act disrespectful of Law Enforcement Officers. Now folks think they are cute doing it. Pig socks???

Most people who are beat down and dragged off to jail did something that damn sure should not have done.

MOST people who live here are law abiding and law respecting and I am not going to sit here quietly especially since I have NOT had my coffee yet this morning and not say something about this very disrespectful post.

There are bad apples in law enforcement, granted, but recently it is "cute" to say nasty things about police officers and that makes me furious.

At least you were able to read and comprehend that post without getting a headache. I gave up after 4 "sentences" (and I use that term loosely.).

[Big O]

At least you were able to read and comprehend that post without getting a headache. I gave up after 4 "sentences" (and I use that term loosely.).

I thought Emilie had put a little "Jack" in my coffee this morning.

[Rapscallion St Croix]

I thought Emilie had put a little "Jack" in my coffee this morning.

I assumed it was some form of lorem ipsum.

[Gpsma]

I would be curious as to;

1. Where you heard this.
2. Whether it is just some LEO's personal opinion.
3. Any documentation that NY police, even most of them, think or apply the same.

And is that for ANY posted speed, or just the interstates/freeways/toll roads...or say speeds above +-60 mph?

To sum up this entire thread, the OP felt that a ticket for going "only 6 mph" over a very low posted speed limit...was somehow unfair.

By most of the responses, I don't think the hoped for empathy emerged. :shrug:

That's a cutesy little rhyme that has absolutely no relation to reality.

[ColdNoMore]

That's a cutesy little rhyme that has absolutely no relation to reality.

Yep, that's why I was asking for some clarification.

[Challenger]

LONG before The Villages came to fruition it was well known of a little town in Central Florida called Lady Lake that had the MOST aggressive speed trap in the state.(every trucker knew of this!))(before the turnpike came long) This is why they have nice muscle cars! Charger, Camaro, Mustang etc..my analogy is such as this. The US carrier Indianapolis is The Villages.. the survivors in the water are The Villagers ..and the sharks are the aggressive Lady Lake PD speed traps. I have addressed this in another post.. I sit at highway 25 by the Vet office Blatantly eating donuts! and watch the speeders come down the hill in a 35 mph ( remember gravity doesn't discriminate for anyone or anything) and every day BAMN! the blue light special turns on!! I so do wish to start a viral video of this aggressive milking taxation of those who are known to be the top 5% mentality! ( call it what it is!)..Blatant aggressive driving I understand!! nail them!! but radar speed traps in 5 areas-- Rolling Acres road , Bichara Blvd, Highway 25 by the Racetrack, and coming in from the south the moment you hit Lady Lake ,, speed trap by Oakwood etc every day. gets to be a bit much for it seems to be all they have to do..obtain revenue thru speed traps--- Remember! just don't ask the officer if he is Kevin Thompson as you spit donut crumbs at the PO PO .. big mistake , you will find yourself with more that a ticket! get beat down and dragged off to jail!!!! for those of you that wish to know if I did this I plead the fifth!! the punishment does not fit the crime IMO one mile over and you are ticketed HERE!! been that way for decades, but they don't tell you that do they when you come here.

Say What?

[nicoletta]

why does the Rush Limbaugh statement come to mind..."... doing this show with half my brain tied behind my back just to make it fair because I have talent ..." come to mind?

[nicoletta]

So, I'm curious. Who actually sets the speed limits in the Villages. If the CDDs truly are quasi political entities ( as the IRS lawsuit response contended) do they set the limits? And if so, how can the citizens get them changed?

I agree that 20 MPH is too low and 25 would be much more appropriate. In Michigan a while back, the City of East Lansing had a 25 MPH limit on a major state road that runs right through the downtown ( divided, 4 lanes). The State Police took them to court and won getting the speed limit raised to 35 as the judge concluded the 25 MPH limit was simply there for a "revenue enhancement" speed trap.

And a Judge who publicly states that he will ALWAYS only believe the LEO, is not a judge but a closed minded person who does not seem to understand the role of a Judge is to listen to BOTH sides without bias.
finally someone gets it :a040:

[BobnBev]

I used to give them 10 over, maybe a warning, maybe nothing-----all about the attitude.

Over 10, normally a ticket, with exceptions, of course.:police::police:

[nicoletta]

finally someone gets it :a040:

Cronyism, and collusion in the name of revenue:ohdear:

[Aloha1]

finally someone gets it :a040:

Thanks. And my question still is unanswered. Who sets these limits in TV?

[Sandtrap328]

I saw that the OP also had a thread regarding a type of holster for his CCW.

I would suggest being extremely careful in driving at the posted speed if you are carrying. We sure would not want to be short any great band members due to a police misunderstanding.

[Rapscallion St Croix]

Thanks. And my question still is unanswered. Who sets these limits in TV?

I don't know who has that authority here but...Indirectly, the Florida legislature determined what our speed limits would be by allowing street legal golf carts on roads with no higher than 35MPH speed limit and allowing regular golf carts on roads with 25MPH limits. As long as that statute doesn't change, don't expect the speed limits in The Villages to increase.

[CWGUY]

I don't know who has that authority here but...Indirectly, the Florida legislature determined what our speed limits would be by allowing street legal golf carts on roads with no higher than 35MPH speed limit and allowing regular golf carts on roads with 25MPH limits. As long as that statute doesn't change, don't expect the speed limits in The Villages to increase.

:) Think it is under 35 mph.(30 mph and under)

[Rapscallion St Croix]

:) Think it is under 35 mph.(30 mph and under)

You are probably right on that.

[circletrack]

Be very aware of the 20 MPH on 466 during school hours with lights flashing. I was stopped for doing 27 and was slowing , fortunatly for me I only received a friendly warning. The police are watching!!

Traffic lights in those entrances/exits would cause a pretty big backup out onto 441.

[jimbo2012]

The cost of a radar detector may pay for itself, never leave home without one

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Not true.

The issue is how much faster than the posted speed a vehicle is going and the only way to make a common sense equivalency comparison...is by using percentages.

Someone's personal opinion on safety...has absolutely nothing to do with it.

Almost any modern vehicle with a competent driver on an interstate/toll road is perfectly 'safe'...at 84 mph.

The same goes for drivers exceeding the speed limit by 30% on roads posted at say 35/40/45/50 mph. It's not about 'safety'...it's about exceeding the speed limit.

Or do you think those that exceed by 'only 6mph' in a 10 mph zone, should be given a pass also...even though they are exceeding the posted limit by 60%?

The bottom line is that your wife exceeded the posted speed limit by 30%...and shouldn't be complaining about being cited IMHO. :shrug:

If it's not about safety but about exceeding the speed limit, what is the purpose of a speed limit?

No one follows the letter of the law 100% of the time. In most cases, as long as you are not doing anything to endanger the lives and safety of the public, law enforcement is not going to bother harassing you.

I agree, she was exceeding the speed limit and should have been stopped. But she's never had any kind of violation before and could have been issued a warning. The police have records of violations and warnings given out. When the officer looked up her record he might have considered giving her a warning. He didn't. that's his call, but I don't have to agree with it.