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Guest
09-08-2016, 08:14 AM
Enough said from a buffoon. Backers of trump, is this what you think of our military?

Guest
09-08-2016, 08:19 AM
Enough said from a buffoon. Backers of trump, is this what you think of our military?

General Flynn agreed with him this morning. And Trump does have more support from the military than Hillary. What's your problem with what he said?

Guest
09-08-2016, 12:47 PM
Enough said from a buffoon. Backers of trump, is this what you think of our military?

The fault is not our military they must follow the orders of the commander in chief-the president.

We are fighting the war that our enemy wants. That is simply stupid. The enemy looks exactly the same as the people on our side. Individually they readily change from one side to the other. They hide among civilians and so if we fire on them we cause collateral damage. Our people want to do their job AND COME HOME ALIVE. Their faith says if they die spreading the faith the reward is salvation.

We,due to politically correctness, refuse to follow tactics that would have any chance of winning.

We, refuse to understand the Muslim enemy we cannot understand why a woman would strap a bomb to her body walk into a group of people they call infidels (nonbelievers)
and blow herself up with as many non-Muslims as possible. The reason is it gets her salvation. It absolves all previous sins such as cheating on her husband etc.

Clearly, we have a problem. Even at home we have Muslims among us several who have attacked innocent civilians-world trade center-they killed 3,000, Boston bombers killed and injured over 100, Orlando, France.
It is quite clear that KUBAYAH does not work. SOLUTION-I DON'T HAVE ONE. Perhaps, as has been done in the past, we need to kill off the entire family of these bombers so they will not be remembered-they just disappear.
Who knows-perhaps like in Ireland one day a leader will arrive and wonder what the hell people are killing each other for. In Ireland it only took 300 years.

Guest
09-08-2016, 01:34 PM
ok, any general that wouldn't follow Obama thinking was dumped, the only ones left are YES men.

therefore he made that statement meaning they are feckless

Guest
09-08-2016, 01:49 PM
ok, any general that wouldn't follow Obama thinking was dumped, the only ones left are YES men.

therefore he made that statement meaning they are feckless

More like mindless drones.

Guest
09-08-2016, 09:18 PM
You can't have it both ways.

If you think the generals are rubble and too stupid to lead or provide informed input then say so.

If you believe that Trump knows more then the generals, that's a valid opinion that Trump supporters share by default.

You don't respect the generals, question their motives and how they were even promoted.

Guest
09-09-2016, 03:09 AM
You can't have it both ways.

If you think the generals are rubble and too stupid to lead or provide informed input then say so.

If you believe that Trump knows more then the generals, that's a valid opinion that Trump supporters share by default.

You don't respect the generals, question their motives and how they were even promoted.

If people continue to take Trump's comments out of context, then they deserve Hillary. Trump was correct and generals agree with him. He was not disrespecting the generals. He was blaming Obama, rightly so too.

Guest
09-09-2016, 03:18 AM
Our television set broke down yesterday. That bl**dy Obama!

Guest
09-09-2016, 03:30 AM
Our television set broke down yesterday. That bl**dy Obama!

That shindig happened the day before yesterday.

My TV went out briefly three times yesterday with the power outage. We had a small rain shower that may have been related, but it hardly even watered anything. The power outage was enough to cause the TV and computer to reboot, but didn't reset the clocks in the house. Go figure.

Guest
09-09-2016, 04:31 AM
How can anyone object to a president that desires to build our military defense . The most effective way to ensure peace is to be the nation with the strongest defense.

Personal Best Regards:

Guest
09-09-2016, 06:29 AM
How can anyone object to a president that desires to build our military defense . The most effective way to ensure peace is to be the nation with the strongest defense.

Personal Best Regards:

Sorry, but that false call to patriotism is just more of Trump's ignorance...and doesn't pass the smell test. :ohdear:

We already spend more on our military...than the next 7 nations in the world combined!

We have enough nukes to destroy the planet's population twice over.

What should be happening is that we start keeping our nose out of the worlds business that isn't a direct threat to the freedom of this nation (and there hasn't been a war/conflict since WW2 that meets that criteria) and start taking care of those that are injured from war-hawks supporting the military-industrial complex.

Of which, Obama has actually INCREASED care (and pay) to our fine men and women that the politicians like to use as pawns...

Budget: Obama proposes big increase in VA funding - U.S. - Stripes (http://www.stripes.com/news/us/budget-obama-proposes-big-increase-in-va-funding-1.327295)

The proposed 2016 budget includes roughly $70 billion in discretionary funding for the VA, for a total budget of about $168 billion — the rest being made up of mandatory benefit programs such as pensions and disability payments.



.....while the Repugnatcans have fought him the whole way.

Republicans block Senate bill to boost veterans' benefits - CSMonitor.com (http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Latest-News-Wires/2014/0227/Republicans-block-Senate-bill-to-boost-veterans-benefits)

Washington — A divided Senate on Thursday derailed Democratic legislation that would have provided $21 billion for medical, education, and job-training benefits for the nation's veterans.


And with Chump's ignorant rhetoric of "why can't we use nukes" and "I know more than the generals" ...you really think he's the answer?

Really? :oops:



:wave:

CNM

Guest
09-09-2016, 06:36 AM
How can anyone object to a president that desires to build our military defense . The most effective way to ensure peace is to be the nation with the strongest defense.

Personal Best Regards:

So we can MAKE them comply?

Guest
09-09-2016, 07:21 AM
...you really think he's the answer?

Really?
CNM

I think so really!

question how do you feel we've been doing under Obama for 8 years with only looking at a continuation of 4 more with her?

Do you think we are safer from terrorism?

Do you think if we let 650,000 Syrians in without anyway to do a background check is a good idea?

She just telegraphed her plan to ISIS no ground troupes, they then can operate unchecked without fear of reprisal.

Guest
09-09-2016, 08:44 AM
Any real patriotic flag officer worth their salt will not stand very long to work for someone that will not allow them to do their job. They are not going to hang around allowing rag tag disoriented pi$$ants kill their men and women or win the situation.

Those guys are gone willing or not....they are gone.

What is left are the politicians; their allegiance to a failed leader is no matter to them. Losing to the enemy or loosing lives of their forces are so far from where they are mentally and physically it does not factor into the equation.

So people do not like when Trump calls a spade a spade. Or how he does it. They will always make it into something other than intended.

What if there are good generals but just not doing their job for America?
THEY ARE NOT DOING THEIR JOB FOR AMERICA!!!!!!!
If they are still in the job, there is no place for them on a new winning team.

Trump is as usual more right than wrong and that is what the opposition detests.

I would rather put up with what and how Trump says things than what Clinton has done and is doing and mostly NOT doing.

Guest
09-09-2016, 09:21 AM
Well said:agree:

Guest
09-09-2016, 10:43 AM
I think so really!

question how do you feel we've been doing under Obama for 8 years with only looking at a continuation of 4 more with her?

Do you think we are safer from terrorism?

Do you think if we let 650,000 Syrians in without anyway to do a background check is a good idea?

She just telegraphed her plan to ISIS no ground troupes, they then can operate unchecked without fear of reprisal.

They "let in" about 50 million Hispanics who dropped kids and now are about 1/3 the total population...over 100 MILLION of them. Quickly becoming the MAJORITY.

You tell me...which is worse?

Guest
09-09-2016, 12:06 PM
Any real patriotic flag officer worth their salt will not stand very long to work for someone that will not allow them to do their job. They are not going to hang around allowing rag tag disoriented pi$$ants kill their men and women or win the situation.

Those guys are gone willing or not....they are gone.

What is left are the politicians; their allegiance to a failed leader is no matter to them. Losing to the enemy or loosing lives of their forces are so far from where they are mentally and physically it does not factor into the equation.

So people do not like when Trump calls a spade a spade. Or how he does it. They will always make it into something other than intended.

What if there are good generals but just not doing their job for America?
THEY ARE NOT DOING THEIR JOB FOR AMERICA!!!!!!!
If they are still in the job, there is no place for them on a new winning team.

Trump is as usual more right than wrong and that is what the opposition detests.

I would rather put up with what and how Trump says things than what Clinton has done and is doing and mostly NOT doing.

Exactly how I feel.

Liberals would go to the prisons to hire teachers for their children. It's exactly the same thing. Even though Hillary has not been convicted YET, she is still corrupt and a criminal. And they want her to lead the country. Kind of like putting Al Capone in charge of a bank. Or hiring David Duke to head up the NAACP.

Guest
09-09-2016, 01:10 PM
I think so really!

question how do you feel we've been doing under Obama for 8 years with only looking at a continuation of 4 more with her?

My investments and net worth, which have almost tripled under Obama...think it's a great idea. :thumbup:




Do you think we are safer from terrorism?

Do you think if we let 650,000 Syrians in without anyway to do a background check is a good idea?

She just telegraphed her plan to ISIS no ground troupes, they then can operate unchecked without fear of reprisal.

I think people who are focused on and are more frightened of being killed by terrorists, instead of the 100 times more likely death by drunken drivers/obesity from eating too much/alcoholism/smoking/etc....are simply exposing their racism, bigotry and religious hypocrisy.

That's what I think. ;)



:wave:

CNM

Guest
09-09-2016, 01:49 PM
My investments and net worth, which have almost tripled under Obama...think it's a great idea. :thumbup:






I think people who are focused on and are more frightened of being killed by terrorists, instead of the 100 times more likely death by drunken drivers/obesity from eating too much/alcoholism/smoking/etc....are simply exposing their racism, bigotry and religious hypocrisy.

That's what I think. ;)



:wave:

CNM

You're a liar. NO wonder you are a Hillary supporter.

Guest
09-09-2016, 02:44 PM
My investments and net worth, which have almost tripled under Obama...think it's a great idea. :thumbup:






I think people who are focused on and are more frightened of being killed by terrorists, instead of the 100 times more likely death by drunken drivers/obesity from eating too much/alcoholism/smoking/etc....are simply exposing their racism, bigotry and religious hypocrisy.

That's what I think. ;)



:wave:

CNM
Did you watch the NOVA program linked on another thread. What was your reaction?

Guest
09-09-2016, 03:18 PM
My investments and net worth, which have almost tripled under Obama...think it's a great idea. :thumbup:






I think people who are focused on and are more frightened of being killed by terrorists, instead of the 100 times more likely death by drunken drivers/obesity from eating too much/alcoholism/smoking/etc....are simply exposing their racism, bigotry and religious hypocrisy.

That's what I think. ;)



:wave:

CNM

More of the bigot and racist baloney,
from the chief sausage maker!
:1rotfl:

Guest
09-09-2016, 03:34 PM
If Obama was president during WWII we would all be speaking German today.

Guest
09-09-2016, 05:31 PM
More of the bigot and racist baloney,
from the chief sausage maker!
:1rotfl:

:thumbup:

Guest
09-09-2016, 05:31 PM
If Obama was president during WWII we would all be speaking German today.

And so would all of Europe.

Guest
09-09-2016, 05:40 PM
If Obama was president during WWII we would all be speaking German today.

Interesting, but many of you feel it is fine to speak "Trumpese".

Do you not worry why the whispers exist about fear of public support for Trump ? Or public disapproval of Trump ?

This is what he has and will so.

As we have seen with anyone who disagrees with him he finds a way to, as he says, counterpunch, which means attack them and demean them personally, no matter the counterpoint they want to make, no matter if valid.

As we see, if a media member offends him, he immediately attacks and pulls credentials. He tolerates no disagreement..none.

Wonder, if elected, how he will "pull the credentials" of any citizen who dares to disagree ?

Guest
09-09-2016, 05:45 PM
Interesting, but many of you feel it is fine to speak "Trumpese".

Do you not worry why the whispers exist about fear of public support for Trump ? Or public disapproval of Trump ?

This is what he has and will so.

As we have seen with anyone who disagrees with him he finds a way to, as he says, counterpunch, which means attack them and demean them personally, no matter the counterpoint they want to make, no matter if valid.

As we see, if a media member offends him, he immediately attacks and pulls credentials. He tolerates no disagreement..none.

Wonder, if elected, how he will "pull the credentials" of any citizen who dares to disagree ?

I guess you will find out. It won't be long before he wins the election by a landslide.

Guest
09-09-2016, 05:46 PM
Is the title correct? Isn't it supposed to say "Barney Rubble is a general"

Guest
09-09-2016, 05:55 PM
My investments and net worth, which have almost tripled under Obama...think it's a great idea. :thumbup:
CNM

Sure, what about the other 98% of your fellow Americans?


they got the short end of his presidency, but knowing a bit the way you think you don't give a rats ass

Guest
09-09-2016, 05:58 PM
I guess you will find out. It won't be long before he wins the election by a landslide.

Obviously you are rooting for that kind of person in the WH, which is your right.

I am curious why, within our 3 bodies of government and system, you find it comfortable to have a person with such aspirations in the Oval Office ?

I ask that in all sincerity, because you surely know that the trade deals he speaks of must come through congress, basically most of which he has or will offend.

Guest
09-09-2016, 05:59 PM
Is it 4 years of string bluster you want with no chance of accomplishing anything ? President can drop bombs, well for 60 days anyway, but that's it

Guest
09-09-2016, 06:05 PM
My investments and net worth, which have almost tripled under Obama...think it's a great idea. :thumbup:


CNM

Yup you are exactly right the stock market is whatever it is....while he was president.

Obama has only one relationship to the stock market. The passage of time on his watch.

Guest
09-09-2016, 06:06 PM
I ask that in all sincerity, because you surely know that the trade deals he speaks of must come through congress, basically most of which he has or will offend.

He has to present valid arguments to get the deals done.

The Art of The Deal :coolsmiley:

Guest
09-09-2016, 06:07 PM
And what does all this jawboning have to do with the generals?

Guest
09-09-2016, 06:09 PM
And what does all this jawboning have to do with the generals?

That's the great part. Nothing.

Guest
09-09-2016, 06:10 PM
And what does all this jawboning have to do with the generals?

It has to do with the fact that we need a strong President.
Something we won't get with Hillary, and which
we haven't had for almost 8 years!

Guest
09-09-2016, 06:22 PM
It has to do with the fact that we need a strong President.
Something we won't get with Hillary, and which
we haven't had for almost 8 years!

I keep asking....

Strong in what way ?

Are you hoping for a term of loud bluster.....congress needs to pass any trade deals...they need to approve any spending, like for.a wall for example. President cannot do this arbitrarily.

If it is the strong bluster you hope for to get some kind of tester one kick...that is why ALL terrorist organizations are rooting for that...a fantastic recruiting tool.

Is the bluster to scare congress into approving tariffs on Mexico and China to increase not only our prices, but inflation ? They may object as they need to get elected.

Building the military to Reagan levels as he likes to say..why ? This is not 1980...just apply common sense and he can't do that without congress no matter who he insults.

If he talks tough to any country leader...is that what you are looking for ?

Well, we spent many years trying to reduce the nuclear threat, and today Trumps press lady "implied" what Trump might do about North Korea, is that what you guys are rooting for...just bomb somebody..use a nuke...show them who is boss ? Well, just hope action like that does not have any kind of domino affect because you and the kids won't be here to celebrate...you do know should he do that, it will violate a ton of international laws and they will be "justified" in reprisal. Is that the testosterone fix you look for ?

Guest
09-09-2016, 06:23 PM
It has to do with the fact that we need a strong President.
Something we won't get with Hillary, and which
we haven't had for almost 8 years!

Define strong

Guest
09-09-2016, 06:31 PM
It just appears that those that support Trump want a big mouth to give them some masculine jolt. They are searching for a crass, filthy mouthed, characterless, morally corrupt person to represent their country. Why ? What does that get you...

Seems they want a man who ALL foreign countries now know as a liar, a man they can irritate, a man they cannot trust. So much for not letting people know much

Guest
09-09-2016, 06:39 PM
Define strong

Strong:


= not Obama

= not Clinton

Guest
09-09-2016, 06:42 PM
Strong:


= not Obama

= not Clinton

I suppose should have expected this...you have no idea except for the absurd ideas this genial con man has placed in your minds.

Not sure why folks like you cannot engage as an adult

Guest
09-09-2016, 06:45 PM
Define strong

The opposite of wishey washey, unlike Obama.
Now do you get it?
:ho:

Guest
09-09-2016, 06:45 PM
Strong:


= not Obama

= not Clinton

By the way, I am also anti Obama and anti Clinton, but never could cast a vote for such a person as Trump. I am not impressed by his money, his big mouth, his "art of the deal", his lying and thinking it funny, his threats which either can never be executed or are a threat also to me.

I will skip president election and vote the down ticket

Guest
09-09-2016, 06:46 PM
The opposite of wishey washey, unlike Obama.
Now do you get it?
:ho:

No...what foreign policy does Trump offer different from Obama ? Specifically

Guest
09-09-2016, 06:49 PM
He can say...I will or I will not forever, but until he stands up like a man and tells me what he will do specifically, it is a waste.

The platitudes that are not going to happen.....bring back mfg immediately....bomb the crap out of ISIS, etc is just him doing what he does when he is conning...talk loud and keep saying it...they will give up and just believe it. Obviously worked on you a bit

Guest
09-09-2016, 06:52 PM
No...what foreign policy does Trump offer different from Obama ? Specifically

For a good start, He won't be going around apologizing for our country!

Guest
09-09-2016, 06:55 PM
For a good start, He won't be going around apologizing for our country!

Even if we are wrong ? Or, as withnTrump will we be perfect ?

Guest
09-09-2016, 07:02 PM
Even if we are wrong ? Or, as withnTrump will we be perfect ?

Not perfect, but a whole lot better!
And spelling will be improved for all!

Guest
09-09-2016, 07:34 PM
Not perfect, but a whole lot better!
And spelling will be improved for all!

It is interesting to me how you, and all Trump supporters are absolutely incapable of being specific on anything Trump offers other than the manly stuff.

I just suggest you read about the USA and our system of government and the 3 parts of our government and tell me where a loud mouth in the WH fits. It does not, nor has it ever worked in other countries that went that route.

By the way to the poster who mentioned OBAMA APOLOGIES.

I do not want to confuse you with facts, but....

1. You and other Trumpers are always talking about the traditional politics, etc etc. The apology thing is "traditional politics" and I THINK was first fostered by the Tea Party as a radical entrance into the political forum.

2. I am and have been anti Obama and am still critical of some of his comments, but never doubted his sincerety. He sees the USA as a member of the global community and as such tries to be a good neighbor to all. Trump is an isolationist and not sure how that translates in todays world to be looking out at everyone, of course we will have all those weapons for some reason.

3. Lastly, and I know you will not read this because you are brainwashed (I apologize for using that term but know of any other to describe following a man based on NOTHING but bluster) but in any case there is not much FACT based info to support the apology thing. I think that is why the Tea Party stopped fostering it but.....

Obama's Apologies? | PolitiFact (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/obama-quotes/)

"The following selections are quotes from President Barack Obama's speeches. Mitt Romney argued in his book No Apology: The Case for American Greatness, that the remarks constitute apologies. Our analysis, however, concluded they did not fit the formal definition of apologies; read our full report."

FACTS are a bitc@ at times for both sides, and are easily used as moving weapons. Great thing about Trump...he could care less about FACTS, but you know what.....you at least gotta understand when you get caught lying and he just keeps on lying (as he says he does in deal making IN BUSINESS, I might add....not government dealing with other countries)

Guest
09-09-2016, 07:50 PM
It is interesting to me how you, and all Trump supporters are absolutely incapable of being specific on anything Trump offers other than the manly stuff.

I just suggest you read about the USA and our system of government and the 3 parts of our government and tell me where a loud mouth in the WH fits. It does not, nor has it ever worked in other countries that went that route.

By the way to the poster who mentioned OBAMA APOLOGIES.

I do not want to confuse you with facts, but....

1. You and other Trumpers are always talking about the traditional politics, etc etc. The apology thing is "traditional politics" and I THINK was first fostered by the Tea Party as a radical entrance into the political forum.

2. I am and have been anti Obama and am still critical of some of his comments, but never doubted his sincerety. He sees the USA as a member of the global community and as such tries to be a good neighbor to all. Trump is an isolationist and not sure how that translates in todays world to be looking out at everyone, of course we will have all those weapons for some reason.

3. Lastly, and I know you will not read this because you are brainwashed (I apologize for using that term but know of any other to describe following a man based on NOTHING but bluster) but in any case there is not much FACT based info to support the apology thing. I think that is why the Tea Party stopped fostering it but.....

Obama's Apologies? | PolitiFact (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/obama-quotes/)

"The following selections are quotes from President Barack Obama's speeches. Mitt Romney argued in his book No Apology: The Case for American Greatness, that the remarks constitute apologies. Our analysis, however, concluded they did not fit the formal definition of apologies; read our full report."

FACTS are a bitc@ at times for both sides, and are easily used as moving weapons. Great thing about Trump...he could care less about FACTS, but you know what.....you at least gotta understand when you get caught lying and he just keeps on lying (as he says he does in deal making IN BUSINESS, I might add....not government dealing with other countries)


Your thoughts are only your opinion, no more no less!
Sounds like you got everything figured out, and your happy with how things have been going both domestically and internationally!
That's fine, but In my opinion I believe we need a real change!

Guest
09-09-2016, 07:51 PM
Strong

Answering the phone at 3AM

having the spine to tell it like it is.

Not bowing to others.

Putting his money where his mouth is.

not appearing unhealthy coughing fits, falling, help walking up stairs etc No stamina

responding to threats

Fly into Louisiana she never did.

......:popcorn:

Guest
09-09-2016, 08:11 PM
Your thoughts are only your opinion, no more no less!
Sounds like you got everything figured out, and your happy with how things have been going both domestically and internationally!
That's fine, but In my opinion I believe we need a real change!

Well, you have not been really reading each and every post I have made. I have been criticizing Obama consistently in many areas..foreign policy, Obama Care, etc.

Some of you simply make a very shallow assumption. If you oppose Trump, you must support Obama and like Clinton.

That is light years from any fact at all.

I am seriously upset with the trend in this country and was frankly excited about the chance for the GOP to have the WH, the Senate and the HOuse. So many great ideas from so many good young smart candidates.

Trump was the outlier...no ideas, no morals, no character, but he was smart...if he could con the primary voters and get the momination, the hate and distrust of Clinton would actually make him seem sane.

He gambled by debasing some great and fine men. An uninformed electorate enjoyed his performances.

Let me hesitate one min...performance is what it was. While most candidates tried to discuss proposals on immigration for example, Trump recognized that hate...he then took aim with illogical, not functionable and totally impossible things, wrapped that in hate and appealed to hate. NOW, he comes back to the same exact immigration that Obama, Rubio, Bush, Kasich supported, allowing exceptions for almost anything. He did this and continues on many things.

I have nothing figured out, but as a scholar who enjoys reading and wants to understand, it is apparent that Trump is the single greatest threat facing this country, more serious than ISIS or any other threat you can imagine.

He relies on you to NOT read, nor really care, just give them a show..preach in platitudes and ignore the details. As he mentions in his book, when some disagrees with you then attack, personally and just keep lying until it becomes accepted.

He is, without a doubt, an evil man, with nothing but personal ambitions...not the normal personal ambitions of all politicians....but personal agendas to bring to the WH.

Of course because you haven't read about his past con jobs, his forays into hate groups and racial disharmony, his vile personal life you won't accept this, but it is true. I actually, sometimes feel sorry for his supporters, but then I see his supporters...the loudest, grossest, most obscene ecpver and I lose that very quickly.

If you won't read, and don't care you support Trump.

If you read and care, you support neither and vote the down ticket. You will realize how serious of a threat he is and Sharpton a vile and lying human being he is.

Guest
09-09-2016, 08:13 PM
Strong

Answering the phone at 3AM

having the spine to tell it like it is.

Not bowing to others.

Putting his money where his mouth is.

not appearing unhealthy coughing fits, falling, help walking up stairs etc No stamina

responding to threats

Fly into Louisiana she never did.

......:popcorn:

Not ONE of those makes a President.

Most of them make a blowhard with no understanding of diplomacy or real threat. Who does not get how intricate our world is and over simplifies it to make himself look good

Guest
09-09-2016, 08:19 PM
Well, you have not been really reading each and every post I have made. I have been criticizing Obama consistently in many areas..foreign policy, Obama Care, etc.

Some of you simply make a very shallow assumption. If you oppose Trump, you must support Obama and like Clinton.

That is light years from any fact at all.

I am seriously upset with the trend in this country and was frankly excited about the chance for the GOP to have the WH, the Senate and the HOuse. So many great ideas from so many good young smart candidates.

Trump was the outlier...no ideas, no morals, no character, but he was smart...if he could con the primary voters and get the momination, the hate and distrust of Clinton would actually make him seem sane.

He gambled by debasing some great and fine men. An uninformed electorate enjoyed his performances.

Let me hesitate one min...performance is what it was. While most candidates tried to discuss proposals on immigration for example, Trump recognized that hate...he then took aim with illogical, not functionable and totally impossible things, wrapped that in hate and appealed to hate. NOW, he comes back to the same exact immigration that Obama, Rubio, Bush, Kasich supported, allowing exceptions for almost anything. He did this and continues on many things.

I have nothing figured out, but as a scholar who enjoys reading and wants to understand, it is apparent that Trump is the single greatest threat facing this country, more serious than ISIS or any other threat you can imagine.

He relies on you to NOT read, nor really care, just give them a show..preach in platitudes and ignore the details. As he mentions in his book, when some disagrees with you then attack, personally and just keep lying until it becomes accepted.

He is, without a doubt, an evil man, with nothing but personal ambitions...not the normal personal ambitions of all politicians....but personal agendas to bring to the WH.

Of course because you haven't read about his past con jobs, his forays into hate groups and racial disharmony, his vile personal life you won't accept this, but it is true. I actually, sometimes feel sorry for his supporters, but then I see his supporters...the loudest, grossest, most obscene ecpver and I lose that very quickly.

If you won't read, and don't care you support Trump.

If you read and care, you support neither and vote the down ticket. You will realize how serious of a threat he is and Sharpton a vile and lying human being he is.

You seem to be filled with a lot of hate and anger...too bad!
Do you read what you write?

Guest
09-09-2016, 08:20 PM
Not ONE of those makes a President.

Most of them make a blowhard with no understanding of diplomacy or real threat. Who does not get how intricate our world is and over simplifies it to make himself look good

You make a good blowhard yourself! :1rotfl:

Guest
09-09-2016, 09:42 PM
Sure, what about the other 98% of your fellow Americans?


they got the short end of his presidency, but knowing a bit the way you think you don't give a rats ass

Are you really this stupid? :oops:

Either you have a legitimate physical ailment regarding memory loss...or you are beyond ignorant.

If it's the former...my condolences.

If it's the latter, you really should try to do a better job of hiding that amazing stupidity.

Or maybe you don't remember how the 'other 98%' were suffering...when The Simpleton slunk out of office? :ohdear:

Google 'Great Recession'...idiot.

Obama was handed a HUGE mess and you're mad because he didn't fix all of the disaster that happened under Shrub's watch?

Wow dudette...you're simply unbelievable.



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CNM

Guest
09-09-2016, 10:40 PM
If people continue to take Trump's comments out of context, then they deserve Hillary. Trump was correct and generals agree with him. He was not disrespecting the generals. He was blaming Obama, rightly so too.

BS, Trump was correct about what? How many generals or admirals can he name besides Flynn? You wingnuts voted for a con artist. Now you are defending this moron.:a20:

Guest
09-09-2016, 11:28 PM
I keep asking....

Strong in what way ?

Are you hoping for a term of loud bluster.....congress needs to pass any trade deals...they need to approve any spending, like for.a wall for example. President cannot do this arbitrarily.

If it is the strong bluster you hope for to get some kind of tester one kick...that is why ALL terrorist organizations are rooting for that...a fantastic recruiting tool.

Is the bluster to scare congress into approving tariffs on Mexico and China to increase not only our prices, but inflation ? They may object as they need to get elected.

Building the military to Reagan levels as he likes to say..why ? This is not 1980...just apply common sense and he can't do that without congress no matter who he insults.

If he talks tough to any country leader...is that what you are looking for ?

Well, we spent many years trying to reduce the nuclear threat, and today Trumps press lady "implied" what Trump might do about North Korea, is that what you guys are rooting for...just bomb somebody..use a nuke...show them who is boss ? Well, just hope action like that does not have any kind of domino affect because you and the kids won't be here to celebrate...you do know should he do that, it will violate a ton of international laws and they will be "justified" in reprisal. Is that the testosterone fix you look for ?

Absolutely excellent analysis. :thumbup:

Especially your astute comment about these goofy knuckleheads and their... 'testosterone fix.' :D

Real men don't go around being ignorant blowhards and instead, use their intelligence to realize the consequences of their actions.

Just listening to some of the guys I golf with (who think Trump can actually do what he bleats, without the approval of Congress), makes me shake my head and wonder how they made it through their professional life...displaying such ignorance and naïveté. :ohdear:

No wonder Chump (and a lot of his followers)...admire Putin.

Simply unbelievable. :oops:




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CNM

Guest
09-10-2016, 06:21 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Guest View Post
My investments and net worth, which have almost tripled under Obama...think it's a great idea.

I think people who are focused on and are more frightened of being killed by terrorists, instead of the 100 times more likely death by drunken drivers/obesity from eating too much/alcoholism/smoking/etc....are simply exposing their racism, bigotry and religious hypocrisy.

That's what I think.

CNM

You're 100,000 times more likely to to be killed in the "black/hispanic inner city" doing nothing but walking down the street, than EITHER of them.

It's a FACT, NOT "racism".

You "think" wrong.

Guest
09-10-2016, 07:06 AM
Are you really this stupid? :oops:

Either you have a legitimate physical ailment regarding memory loss...or you are beyond ignorant.

If it's the former...my condolences.

If it's the latter, you really should try to do a better job of hiding that amazing stupidity.

Or maybe you don't remember how the 'other 98%' were suffering...when The Simpleton slunk out of office? :ohdear:

Google 'Great Recession'...idiot.

Obama was handed a HUGE mess and you're mad because he didn't fix all of the disaster that happened under Shrub's watch?

Wow dudette...you're simply unbelievable.



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CNM

Obama was NOT "handed a huge mess" he knew exactly what he was campaigning for....twice. He blew it. He has no one to blame but himself. He had two unobstructed years to do ANYTHING/ANYTHING he wished. You can't blame Bush for that. And by the way, if you were even a quarter as smart as think you are, you would know that Bush had a great economy going until the last two years of his presidency when the Democrats took over control of congress. Just saying. Look at the stats if you don't believe me. But, don't discuss facts, just continue to make it a personal thing against anyone that doesn't agree with you.

Guest
09-10-2016, 07:14 AM
BS, Trump was correct about what? How many generals or admirals can he name besides Flynn? You wingnuts voted for a con artist. Now you are defending this moron.:a20:

Hey dummy, the list of endorsing flag officers is on the Internet if you aren't too lazy to check it before making a fool of yourself. WOw!

Guest
09-10-2016, 07:14 AM
Obama was NOT "handed a huge mess" he knew exactly what he was campaigning for....twice. He blew it. He has no one to blame but himself. He had two unobstructed years to do ANYTHING/ANYTHING he wished. You can't blame Bush for that. And by the way, if you were even a quarter as smart as think you are, you would know that Bush had a great economy going until the last two years of his presidency when the Democrats took over control of congress. Just saying. Look at the stats if you don't believe me. But, don't discuss facts, just continue to make it a personal thing against anyone that doesn't agree with you.

:1rotfl:

Another Shrub apologist, that just can't admit that The Simpleton slunk out of office with our economy in tatters (and the lowest approval rating in recent memory)...and the black guy drug it back from the edge. :ohdear:

Let's use your reasoning then, since apparently you want to discount who is POTUS...only when it's your guy.

Congress has been Republican controlled for how long now and according to you and other Chump supporters the country is so screwed up now....that people think a megalomaniacal, bigoted, misogynist blowhard is the answer?

Really? :oops:

Sorry little fella...you can't have it both ways. ;)




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CNM

Guest
09-10-2016, 07:26 AM
Obama was NOT "handed a huge mess" he knew exactly what he was campaigning for....twice. He blew it. He has no one to blame but himself. He had two unobstructed years to do ANYTHING/ANYTHING he wished. You can't blame Bush for that. And by the way, if you were even a quarter as smart as think you are, you would know that Bush had a great economy going until the last two years of his presidency when the Democrats took over control of congress. Just saying. Look at the stats if you don't believe me. But, don't discuss facts, just continue to make it a personal thing against anyone that doesn't agree with you.

And BTW, let's do look at FACTS. ;)


The US economy does a lot better when Democrats are in the White House — Quartz (http://qz.com/649003/the-us-economy-does-a-lot-better-when-democrats-are-in-the-white-house/)

Democrats are the party of US economic growth.

In the years since World War II, US economic growth rates were 1.8 percentage points higher under Democratic presidential administrations, according to a paper by Princeton economists Alan Blinder and Mark Watson, published in the April edition of the American Economic Review.

http://qz.com/649003/the-us-economy-does-a-lot-better-when-democrats-are-in-the-white-house/



I know it really hurts, but you're just gonna have to work through the pain. :1rotfl:




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CNM

Guest
09-10-2016, 07:46 AM
Apparently Obama's Democrat administration is an exception to your rule

Guest
09-10-2016, 07:49 AM
:1rotfl:

Another Shrub apologist, that just can't admit that The Simpleton slunk out of office with our economy in tatters (and the lowest approval rating in recent memory)...and the black guy drug it back from the edge. :ohdear:

Let's use your reasoning then, since apparently you want to discount who is POTUS...only when it's your guy.

Congress has been Republican controlled for how long now and according to you and other Chump supporters the country is so screwed up now....that people think a megalomaniacal, bigoted, misogynist blowhard is the answer?

Really? :oops:

Sorry little fella...you can't have it both ways. ;)




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CNM

Don't let facts interfere with your opinion. Maybe you have convinced yourself, little girl?

Guest
09-10-2016, 08:00 AM
Apparently Obama's Democrat administration is an exception to your rule

LOL :1rotfl:

Not only is there no source or supporting data for those graphs (which I could make up and show anything I wanted without facts, in about 15 minutes)...but none go past 2012 and some are projections out to 2020. :oops:


That's not even a 'nice try.' :ohdear:



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CNM

Guest
09-10-2016, 08:29 AM
LOL :1rotfl:

Not only is there no source or supporting data for those graphs (which I could make up and show anything I wanted without facts, in about 15 minutes)...but none go past 2012 and some are projections out to 2020. :oops:


That's not even a 'nice try.' :ohdear:



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CNM

No problem, how about gov facts up to the minute? Is that good enough for you?

U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time (http://www.usdebtclock.org/)

This lists all the information about past and present employment, national and state debt, entitlements, etc.

Like you said, anyone can make up numbers.

Guest
09-10-2016, 08:32 AM
LOL :1rotfl:

Not only is there no source or supporting data for those graphs (which I could make up and show anything I wanted without facts, in about 15 minutes)...but none go past 2012 and some are projections out to 2020. :oops:


That's not even a 'nice try.' :ohdear:



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CNM

Each one of those graphs had source information on it. Ooops, you didn't see it? :ohdear:

Guest
09-10-2016, 08:58 AM
:1rotfl:

Another Shrub apologist, that just can't admit that The Simpleton slunk out of office with our economy in tatters (and the lowest approval rating in recent memory)...and the black guy drug it back from the edge. :ohdear:

Let's use your reasoning then, since apparently you want to discount who is POTUS...only when it's your guy.

Congress has been Republican controlled for how long now and according to you and other Chump supporters the country is so screwed up now....that people think a megalomaniacal, bigoted, misogynist blowhard is the answer?

Really? :oops:

Sorry little fella...you can't have it both ways. ;)




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CNM

Way too much media parroting, hence tainted and biased.

When talking about having both houses of congress, let us not forget Obama's first two years when he had both houses and managed to get nothing done.......ooops....that was not in the media provided info today.

Guest
09-10-2016, 09:27 AM
Hey dummy, the list of endorsing flag officers is on the Internet if you aren't too lazy to check it before making a fool of yourself. WOw!Ninety-Five Retired Generals and Admirals Endorse Hillary Clinton (https://www.hillaryclinton.com/briefing/updates/2016/09/07/ninety-five-retired-generals-and-admirals-endorse-hillary-clinton/)

Guest
09-10-2016, 09:45 AM
Ninety-Five Retired Generals and Admirals Endorse Hillary Clinton (https://www.hillaryclinton.com/briefing/updates/2016/09/07/ninety-five-retired-generals-and-admirals-endorse-hillary-clinton/)

Hmm, let's see. At least ten of on her list are dead, good Democrat voters. Some of them are located at places such as Freedom Point. And most of them are going to have to vote absentee because not only are their minds absent, but they couldn't wheel themselves to the polls to vote, even with assistance.

Guest
09-10-2016, 09:52 AM
Way too much media parroting, hence tainted and biased.

When talking about having both houses of congress, let us not forget Obama's first two years when he had both houses and managed to get nothing done.......ooops....that was not in the media provided info today.

I do not care for President Obama but it bother me the ignorance shown on here. In the first two years with both houses of congress, and trust me I do not endorse much of this BUT you have no idea of what you are talking about...

....Passed the economic stimulus
....Passed Universal Health care
....Passes sweeping reforms on Wall S
.....Made major changes in Student Loan program

Amazingly this is a short list and was done during economic crisis so quite some accomplishments.

If you do not like Obama, make your case based on facts. I do not care for Obama but the shallow, short sighted, uninformed Trump supporters make a mockery of any discussion because much like their candidate they simply make things up.

Guest
09-10-2016, 09:56 AM
tell what he makes up, then I'll tell you about Hilly

Guest
09-10-2016, 09:57 AM
Trump trumped Hilly's 95 (less the dead ones) he's at 120

Guest
09-10-2016, 10:12 AM
I do not care for President Obama but it bother me the ignorance shown on here. In the first two years with both houses of congress, and trust me I do not endorse much of this BUT you have no idea of what you are talking about...

....Passed the economic stimulus
....Passed Universal Health care
....Passes sweeping reforms on Wall S
.....Made major changes in Student Loan program

Amazingly this is a short list and was done during economic crisis so quite some accomplishments.

If you do not like Obama, make your case based on facts. I do not care for Obama but the shallow, short sighted, uninformed Trump supporters make a mockery of any discussion because much like their candidate they simply make things up.

Now that you have listed the failures, what has he done successfully?

Guest
09-10-2016, 11:21 AM
I do not care for President Obama but it bother me the ignorance shown on here. In the first two years with both houses of congress, and trust me I do not endorse much of this BUT you have no idea of what you are talking about...

....Passed the economic stimulus
....Passed Universal Health care
....Passes sweeping reforms on Wall S
.....Made major changes in Student Loan program

Amazingly this is a short list and was done during economic crisis so quite some accomplishments.

If you do not like Obama, make your case based on facts. I do not care for Obama but the shallow, short sighted, uninformed Trump supporters make a mockery of any discussion because much like their candidate they simply make things up.

OK so we will grant that this is his list of things done.
Now let's check to see which are any good.

The political/legal responses always, ALWAYS bear further investigation.

The example I have used befor is if the Clintons owned a restaurant and people got sick from eating their chicken they would respond that it was government inspected.

They would not say a word about the additional fact that yes, it was government inspected....it was failed/rejected!!!!!

Guest
09-10-2016, 12:35 PM
OK so we will grant that this is his list of things done.
Now let's check to see which are any good.

The political/legal responses always, ALWAYS bear further investigation.

The example I have used befor is if the Clintons owned a restaurant and people got sick from eating their chicken they would respond that it was government inspected.

They would not say a word about the additional fact that yes, it was government inspected....it was failed/rejected!!!!!

That's a good analogy. :coolsmiley:

Guest
09-10-2016, 12:50 PM
Now that you have listed the failures, what has he done successfully?

See this is your problem and why the calls about Trump supporters.

You have no respect for truth, nor facts unless it is all about YOU.

I responded to a post saying he accomplished nothing in his first two years, listing his accomplishments, and even mentioning that I didn't agree with them in entirety.

You simply dismiss them because you don't like them. That is not how this country has ever worked and the more I read on here, ALL the remarks about Trump and his supporters are true.

Guest
09-10-2016, 01:05 PM
See this is your problem and why the calls about Trump supporters.

You have no respect for truth, nor facts unless it is all about YOU.

I responded to a post saying he accomplished nothing in his first two years, listing his accomplishments, and even mentioning that I didn't agree with them in entirety.

You simply dismiss them because you don't like them. That is not how this country has ever worked and the more I read on here, ALL the remarks about Trump and his supporters are true.

That's the exact same conclusion I've come to. :(

Trump has simply given a green light and made it OK to publicly display crudeness, bigotry, racism and misogyny...for those who have previously been secretly hiding it from those they know. :ohdear:

Guest
09-10-2016, 01:07 PM
That's the exact same conclusion I've come to. :(

Trump has simply given a green light and made it OK to publicly display crudeness, bigotry, racism and misogyny...for those who have previously been secretly hiding it from those they know. :ohdear:

Oops, I forgot to sign it. :D



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CNM

Guest
09-10-2016, 01:08 PM
Not true.

All of the programs listed;

....Passed the economic stimulus
....Passed Universal Health care
....Passes sweeping reforms on Wall S
.....Made major changes in Student Loan program

lack one thing. Results as measured by what???

I do not support any politician that thinks their job is done by either talking about an issue, or brag about legislation they passed.

Did it do any good?
Did it do what it was intended to do?
Did the benfit expected (if the is one) come to pass?
Did it happen when it was supposed to happen?
Did it reduce the costs as expected?

When was the last time anybody ever heard an update from those who passed the bills, how they were doing; one year later? Five years later?

Obama is a classic.
The list above is classical.

No responsibilty!
No accountability!

Follow up with accountability and responsibilty are business practices.

Politicians have absolutely no idea if something is working or not or costing billions in excess or not.

No accountability.......no responsibility.

TALK is cheap. It does not get results.

Obama thinks when he talks about an issue he has addressed or dealt with it.

Signs of incompetence.

Guest
09-10-2016, 01:11 PM
Not true.

All of the programs listed;

....Passed the economic stimulus
....Passed Universal Health care
....Passes sweeping reforms on Wall S
.....Made major changes in Student Loan program

lack one thing. Results as measured by what???

I do not support any politician that thinks their job is done by either talking about an issue, or brag about legislation they passed.

Did it do any good?
Did it do what it was intended to do?
Did the benfit expected (if the is one) come to pass?
Did it happen when it was supposed to happen?
Did it reduce the costs as expected?

When was the last time anybody ever heard an update from those who passed the bills, how they were doing; one year later? Five years later?

Obama is a classic.
The list above is classical.

No responsibilty!
No accountability!

Follow up with accountability and responsibilty are business practices.

Politicians have absolutely no idea if something is working or not or costing billions in excess or not.

No accountability.......no responsibility.

TALK is cheap. It does not get results.

Obama thinks when he talks about an issue he has addressed or dealt with it.

Signs of incompetence.

Simply to make my point again about the lack of Trump supporters to stay with facts....

the post you are condemning was in redponse to a post that said NOTHING was accomplished. It further had a comment saying I did not agree BUT things were done.

You simply ignore all the facts and veer to discuss whatever is comfy for you.

Clinton, as much as I dislike her was correct about Trump followers

Guest
09-10-2016, 02:35 PM
Simply to make my point again about the lack of Trump supporters to stay with facts....

the post you are condemning was in redponse to a post that said NOTHING was accomplished. It further had a comment saying I did not agree BUT things were done.

You simply ignore all the facts and veer to discuss whatever is comfy for you.

Clinton, as much as I dislike her was correct about Trump followers

And you are typical of a Hilary supporter that is too embarrassed by her actions and record to declare your support. You are a very sensitive person so I apologize if I hurt your feelings. Not for above, because that is not mine, but for this post. I don't want to fit into your generalization of Trump followers as being insensitive.

Guest
09-10-2016, 05:20 PM
Interesting, but many of you feel it is fine to speak "Trumpese".

Do you not worry why the whispers exist about fear of public support for Trump ? Or public disapproval of Trump ?

This is what he has and will so.

As we have seen with anyone who disagrees with him he finds a way to, as he says, counterpunch, which means attack them and demean them personally, no matter the counterpoint they want to make, no matter if valid.

As we see, if a media member offends him, he immediately attacks and pulls credentials. He tolerates no disagreement..none.

Wonder, if elected, how he will "pull the credentials" of any citizen who dares to disagree ?


Aren't these the same tactics of his hero Vladimir Putin?

Guest
09-10-2016, 05:26 PM
Aren't these the same tactics of his hero Vladimir Putin?

He didn't endorse Putin, his comment was an indictment against Obama

Guest
09-10-2016, 05:36 PM
Simply to make my point again about the lack of Trump supporters to stay with facts....

the post you are condemning was in redponse to a post that said NOTHING was accomplished. It further had a comment saying I did not agree BUT things were done.

You simply ignore all the facts and veer to discuss whatever is comfy for you.

Clinton, as much as I dislike her was correct about Trump followers

BS!

Guest
09-10-2016, 08:24 PM
Clinton said that half of Trumps constituents were not happy with the way the government is being run. That also sounds like Bernie's constituents.
Is that insulting?

The other half have a fear of blacks, gays, Muslims and strangers. That's what phobias are. Some are not afraid they just can't tolerate these people. How is that insulting?

People are upset because she said it was 50-50. How does she know it is 50-50?

What do you think the percentage is?

Guest
09-11-2016, 05:50 AM
That's the exact same conclusion I've come to. :(

Trump has simply given a green light and made it OK to publicly display crudeness, bigotry, racism and misogyny...for those who have previously been secretly hiding it from those they know. :ohdear:

About TIME we get to talk FREELY about all that is going wrong in this country. Blacks, Hispanics, women...all bringing us DOWN as a nation. It's ALL about quotas and NOT about being great. If it was, white men would dominate.

Clinton said that half of Trumps constituents were not happy with the way the government is being run. That also sounds like Bernie's constituents.
Is that insulting?

The other half have a fear of blacks, gays, Muslims and strangers. That's what phobias are. Some are not afraid they just can't tolerate these people. How is that insulting?

People are upset because she said it was 50-50. How does she know it is 50-50?

What do you think the percentage is?

It's what they DO and DON'T do. We don't "fear them", we gear what happens EVERY time they grow in numbers. They DESTROY once great places and institutions. Read the story about the Georgia town that turned "minority".

It's NOT a phobia when they DO destroy EVERYWHERE they become the majority...EVERYWHERE.

SHOW ME WHERE THEY'VE IMPROVED ANYTHING.

Guest
09-11-2016, 06:35 AM
About TIME we get to talk FREELY about all that is going wrong in this country. Blacks, Hispanics, women...all bringing us DOWN as a nation. It's ALL about quotas and NOT about being great. If it was, white men would dominate.


Thank you for proving me correct about a lot of the Chump supporters. :thumbup:

And you're too ignorant and scummy to even realize that being given the biggest head start in this country (being born white), is not something you even earned...YOU SIMPLY GOT LUCKY.

Guest
09-11-2016, 06:41 AM
About TIME we get to talk FREELY about all that is going wrong in this country. Blacks, Hispanics, women...all bringing us DOWN as a nation. It's ALL about quotas and NOT about being great. If it was, white men would dominate.


Thank you for proving me correct about a lot of the Chump supporters. :thumbup:

And you're too ignorant and scummy to even realize that being given the biggest head start in this country (being born white), is not something you even earned...YOU SIMPLY GOT LUCKY.

If I had a magic wand, you would be first in line to turn your skin black...so you would be on the receiving end of the putrid hate that you spew. barf



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CNM

Guest
09-11-2016, 12:36 PM
Thank you for proving me correct about a lot of the Chump supporters. :thumbup:

And you're too ignorant and scummy to even realize that being given the biggest head start in this country (being born white), is not something you even earned...YOU SIMPLY GOT LUCKY.

And you were LUCKY to not have been born a frog...so what? I wasn't born to a billionaire.

They were born black. A frog was born a frog.

I don't get what point you're trying to prove. EVERYTHING was born what it was. You can "what if my horse or dog was born a person" too.

We are what we are.

Now...explain WHY they NEVER proseper, no matter where, what city, what country, what continent they are, they're ALWAYS the "destitute poor"...WHY??

It's genetics, that's what. It's them.

We see the top 1%, the rest are hidden away in the inner cities and bad neighborhood where WE don't go.

Thank you for proving me correct about a lot of the Chump supporters. :thumbup:

And you're too ignorant and scummy to even realize that being given the biggest head start in this country (being born white), is not something you even earned...YOU SIMPLY GOT LUCKY.

If I had a magic wand, you would be first in line to turn your skin black...so you would be on the receiving end of the putrid hate that you spew. barf



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CNM

Punish me? Like turning me into a newt?

Guest
09-11-2016, 01:16 PM
Thank you for proving me correct about a lot of the Chump supporters. :thumbup:

And you're too ignorant and scummy to even realize that being given the biggest head start in this country (being born white), is not something you even earned...YOU SIMPLY GOT LUCKY.

If I had a magic wand, you would be first in line to turn your skin black...so you would be on the receiving end of the putrid hate that you spew. barf



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CNM

You run amok on here all the time but seem to have a comprehension problem. He is NOT a Republican and is NOT a Trump supporter. How many times do you have to be told before you get it? He doesn't like either party. So, why don't you take your turn at having him be associated as a hillary supporter?