JonBenet Ramsey

[graciegirl]

It has been twenty years since the little girls death in Boulder, Colorado and there is much attention being given to this murder again. Many Television programs revisiting the murder and the family.

The surviving son, Burke Ramsey has granted a public interview on Dr. Phil for the first time. His behavior is unusual at times in this interview and makes me think perhaps he has Aspergers Syndrome, a form of Autism.

I have seen now an interview with Patsy Ramsey where she is very angry for being asked if she is involved and says things like " I don't care a flip what you think" to the police.

The ransom note didn't and doesn't make sense to me.

Any thoughts to share?

[Mudder]

I don't know who did it but am wondering why it is all over the media again. Yes, I know it has not been solved but really to start asking her brother who was 9 years old at the time why he stayed in bed, etc... is a bit much. To ask him questions that relate to something that happened 20 years ago when he was a child seems unfair to him. He appears extremely awkward but perhaps it's the situation that makes him appear that way.

[Madelaine Amee]

I watched some of this interview during my "down time" of the day. I was left with the feeling that the brother had been paid a HUGE:$: amount of money to sit there and go over this again, and I wondered to myself whether the half smile on his face was almost derision for the stupidity of the interview.

I put Dr. Phil's show into the "reality show" category and on the occasion when I do watch him, I want to see really really over the top dysfunctional happenings so that I can walk away and say "wow" crazy people out there!!!

[westcoast]

This looked like tabloid journalism, sensationalizing past events with no new evidence. This was very poorly done and I lost some respect for Dr. Phil

[Barefoot]

I don't know who did it but am wondering why it is all over the media again.
It's all over the media again because it's an unsolved brutal murder of a beautiful little girl.
And because sensationalism attracts people to buy newspapers and watch television.
Jon Benet would be 26 if she had lived, very sad.
Patsy Ramsy died of cancer, poor woman, and her husband remarried. I doubt the truth will ever be discovered.
It doesn't surprise me that Dr. Phil is interviewing Burke Ramsey, anything to bump up his ratings.

[Mudder]

Yep, I confess, I watched the Dr Phil interviews. He seemed to be almost badgering Burke.
Think Dr Phil has had his 15 minutes of fame, he's gone from actually trying to help people to trying to exploit and sensationalize. The promos for the next few days shows are ridiculous! It's my down time too, will I watch??? Maybe........

[golfing eagles]

Yep, I confess, I watched the Dr Phil interviews. He seemed to be almost badgering Burke.
Think Dr Phil has had his 15 minutes of fame, he's gone from actually trying to help people to trying to exploit and sensationalize. The promos for the next few days shows are ridiculous! It's my down time too, will I watch??? Maybe........

I refer to this as "Oprahfication", the same thing happened to Dr. Oz

[rubicon]

It has been my personal view from day one when Dr. Phil began his show that he is little more than a Jerry Springer with a PHD.

It is also my view that replaying stories such as this that have nothing additional to add and meant only to sensationalize past events demonstrate how desperate television is for anything that will fill in their 24/7 time slots


Indeed experts are correct in claiming television viewing would be bad for the brain, a tool by the way if used wisely could have just the opposite effect

[graciegirl]

It has been my personal view from day one when Dr. Phil began his show that he is little more than a Jerry Springer with a PHD.

It is also my view that replaying stories such as this that have nothing additional to add and meant only to sensationalize past events demonstrate how desperate television is for anything that will fill in their 24/7 time slots


Indeed experts are correct in claiming television viewing would be bad for the brain, a tool by the way if used wisely could have just the opposite effect


Do you have an opinion on who killed JonBenet?

I think that her mother may have been on drugs given the serious diagnosis of very progressed ovarian cancer.

Two things that may seem silly to a man but Patsy Ramsey was very interested in her own appearance and that of her children, yet she had on the same clothes that she had worn the day before when the police and her friends came to the home.

JonBenet continued to wet the bed and Patsy would change her sheets and clothes nightly. Had her mother been either drinking heavily or was sedated from opioids and struck her in a drug induced fury?
Then did the other things to her body to cover up what happened?

[John_W]

I don't know who did it but am wondering why it is all over the media again. Yes, I know it has not been solved but really to start asking her brother who was 9 years old at the time why he stayed in bed, etc... is a bit much.

After seeing a brief highlight on the Today Show of Dr. Phil, I realized there is nothing new from his interviews, so I haven't watched. It was much more interesting to see the Burke interviews at age 9, right after the crime. Those were shown on one of the network news magazines last week.

For the poster wondering why all the hoopla about this old crime. We have one whole network, the ID Network that runs true crime shows 24/7 and TLC and OWN Networks also run Dateline, 48 Hours and 20/20 reruns in various times of the day, plus how can we not forget Nancy Grace. The old Courtv anchor who has had her own show on HLN for a dozen years and was impersonated in a satrical way in the movie "Gone Girl" and considered that flattering. Anyway, she's retiring in October. True Crime is big business, and documentary shows are the cheapest to make when compared to scripted network drama and sitcoms with high price actors.

The current 3 part series running on ID Channel this week has been good for the most part, the last part will be on tonight at 10pm but mostly deals with the fellow from Thailand who gave a phony confession to the crime. I don't think that will be as good as the first two parts, which you can probably see in reruns. Two network shows last week, one that I mentioned above about Burke and another one that dealt mostly with the Grand Jury testimony and the DA Alex Hunter and the friction with the police department and the lack of experience with the detectives. One of the shows covered a lot of the info gained by the outside detective Lou Smit brought in by DA Alex Hunter. Lou passed away in 2010 but at the time he was a seasoned homicide detective and worked outside the scope of the local police. He came to the conclusion that it was an intruder that killed JonBenet. He also demonstrated that even at his age in the 70's, he had no problem removing the metal grate and hoping down into window portico and entering the basement.

I've always heard that Patsy Ramsey could not be excluded as the ransom letter writer. However, after watching a handwriting expert this week go into detail with showing the characteristics of each matching letter, it is very hard not to believe Patsy Ramsey did not write the letter. The first page of the letter you could tell the writer was trying to squiggle the writing, but by page 2 and 3 they probably had tired and wrote in their natural style. Combine that with the letter paper came from the home and her pad and it was written with her ink pen.

On the otherhand, Lou Smit found the broken window in the basement, the ground ruffled outside the window, the suitcase inside below the window and a scuff mark on the wall. Combine that with unknown DNA found on JonBenet's underwear, all leads to his conclusion that an outside intruder killed JonBenet. The suitcase could of been either used to step up into the window, or was intended to put JonBenet's body in for transport from the home. Lou Smit said it would of been probably too heavy to lift a loaded suitcase up into the window and for it to make the necessary turns up through the window portico. He feels that when the intruder realized he wasn't going to be able to remove her from the home, he went ahead and killed her in the basement.

Going with Lou Smit's theory of an outsider, it had to be someone familiar with the family and the home. The note was left on the back staircase so it could be found easily, not every knows they use the back staircase regularly. The basement so called wine cellar room was not a room familiar by most, even the police and John Ramsey missed it on their intial search. The ransom amount of $118,000 was the exact amount of John Ramsey's bonus. What was odd, was a bowl of pineapple was found in the kitchen. Patsy said JonBenet went straight to bed when they arrived home on Christmas Eve. However, when an autopsy was performed, pineapple was found in her stomach. On the kitchen table was found a bowl of pineapple with a spoon. Patsy said she didn't prepare that, even though the only fingerprints found were hers and Burke's.

I do wish they would go into more detail on Bill McReynolds who played Santa Claus at a Christmas party 2 days earlier. JonBenet when talking to the mother of a neighborhood playmate and discussing Santa at the mall said, Santa Claus was at our party the other night and he promised that he would make a secret visit after Christmas.' the neighbor thought she was confused. 'Christmas is tonight,' I told her. 'And Santa will be coming tonight.' 'No, no,' JonBenet insisted. 'He said this would be after Christmas. And it's a secret.' " Bill McReynolds own daughter was kidnapped 22 years earlier on the exact night.

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Bill McReynolds

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[Jima64]

Rich family with a lot of influence to cover it up.

[Stdole]

The Ramsey's will not allow anyone to question them separately.. bad ring to that!! that is the prime way to eliminate family members... the whole investigation has bad rings to it.... you can be assured the police still know anywhere from one to several things about the investigation we will never be made aware of... this is the reason they were able to eliminate that former creep that came forward and took credit for the murder... they simply ask him several known facts about the crime which he either answered wrong or did not know the answers ... on these crimes only the killer knows these answers along with the Investigators.. I can say without much doubt even if
a sworn statement comes forth or DNA is identified... the investigation has so so many holes by the DA and Police, a conviction would be nearly impossible. Costs would be extremely expensive for the residents of Boulder. This is a dead case in more ways than one... but remember this.... 89% of the time the killer is known to the victim.....That brings it very close to the family in my opinion in this case... With Patsy deceased so is the case! Apparently...to protect myself!

[Loudoll]

Burke reminds me of a young woman who many years ago smiled like that as she told me how her mother left her and her two little brothers on Christmas eve. They woke up to find that not only had Santa not come but their mother was gone and they were alone in the apartment. She never saw her mother again. I can still feel the chill that her expression did not fit the horror story of her childhood.
Burke also reminds me of a person I know with schizophrenia, inappropriately smiling at no one, in a dream world or his own private place. I can't even talk about Jonbennet without choking up but no one in that family ever chokes up.
Patsy actually cursed on the footage they showed of the police interrogation. Cursed.

[Loudoll]

He is getting to be another Jerry Springer and you are probably right that they paid a lot to get Burke on TV. New information has been published now that they kept hidden from us for some reason; the 911 call, for instance where there is another voice on the phone after Patsy thinks they've been disconnected.

[Loudoll]

The ransom note is beyond crazy and another thing that bugs me is why their basement window was never repaired after John claims that he broke into his own house a few weeks earlier because he forgot his keys. Is this the way rich, responsible people live? I don't think so. I think that window would have been repaired pronto. Another thing that strikes me as weird is the Ramsey's over-the-top involvement with "friends". Blaming friends for advising them to do this or that. Calling their friends in when their child is missing. No relatives- friends.

[Loudoll]

Did Bill McReynold's daughter die or was she returned to them?

[Miles42]

I think the local PD blew it by focusing on the family from the start. Missed so much this will not be solved in my life time.

[Barefoot]

I think the local PD blew it by focusing on the family from the start. Missed so much this will not be solved in my life time.I agree that the local Investigators blew it by focusing on the family.

[rubicon]

Do you have an opinion on who killed JonBenet?

I think that her mother may have been on drugs given the serious diagnosis of very progressed ovarian cancer.

Two things that may seem silly to a man but Patsy Ramsey was very interested in her own appearance and that of her children, yet she had on the same clothes that she had worn the day before when the police and her friends came to the home.

JonBenet continued to wet the bed and Patsy would change her sheets and clothes nightly. Had her mother been either drinking heavily or was sedated from opioids and struck her in a drug induced fury?
Then did the other things to her body to cover up what happened?


GG: "when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth?" Sherlock Holmes.

Police first look at motive and opportunity. The family fits the second and as stated in previous post victims more often than not know their killer.

People do not like to pre-judge. then we have the most obvious cases such as OJ Simpson and Casey Anthony where a jury knew the truth but refused to exercise their responsibility to the victims or their community

The Ramsey's were wealthy and very influential and hence had superior connections and resources to other people of power and influence to run interference for them

The broken window was indeed convenient . The ransom note very troubling especially since the amount demanded coincided with Ramsey's bonus $118,000 indeed a curious figure. Why would an intruder stop to write a note when the chances of being discovered increase with the passage of time? And more importantly why write a ransom note when if you were the intruder knew the child was already dead..what exactly are you ransoming

It is also curious as to why an intruder would enter assault and kill this child running the risk of discovery rather than bind gag and kidnap her...but then the nature of an investigation would be to argue the counterpoint

Investigations are something where confirmation bias should never enter the equation. Openness and objectivity must prevail. In this case I return to Sherlock Holmes and my suspicions rest with this family. As to motive one will never know. As to their actions it appears they were protecting one another and their reputations

It appears Occam's Razor again applies

[ColdNoMore]

The whole 'child beauty queen' and attempts to make young children 'look sexy'...roils my stomach.

Any parent/family that is willing to do that to children, are IMHO...sick to begin with.

From there, it's a short step to further devolved mental capacities.

We will probably never know who actually did it, but there's no question in my mind...it was one (if not more) of the family members.

[dewilson58]

The whole 'child beauty queen' and attempts to make young children 'look sexy'...roils my stomach.

Any parent/family that is willing to do that to children, are IMHO...sick to begin with.

From there, it's a short step to further devolved mental capacities.

We will probably never know who actually did it, but there's no question in my mind...it was one (if not more) of the family members.


I've been here a number of times. I get upset with myself for jumping here...............but with so many unanswered questions, I come back to this position.

:confused:

[John_W]

...It is also curious as to why an intruder would enter assault and kill this child running the risk of discovery rather than bind gag and kidnap her...but then the nature of an investigation would be to argue the counterpoint...



Because of the unknown DNA on JonBenet's underwear and the evidence of entry via the basement window and evidence of the stun-gun marks on her neck and body, I would have to agree with the DA's outside investigator Lou Smit that an intruder committed the crime. The intruder watched the home waiting for the family to leave for the Christmas party. If they knew the bonus amount, then it makes sense they knew the family would be going to this Christmas party. Once inside the home, they had free roam and a lot of time to write the ransom letter.

Once the family returned, they waited in the basement until it was clear. They took their ransom letter and traveled upstairs to get JonBenet. She was stunned and then carried to the basement and the ransom letter was left on the steps. Once the child was in the basement, they attempted to place JonBenet in a suitcase and to lift her up through the window. When this became impossible, the intruder decided to have his wicked ways before killing the girl. He might of even taken her back to the kitchen to get the pineapple in order to be her friend. Then he fashioned the garrotte and then choked JonBenet to death.

[LI SNOWBIRD]

This looked like tabloid journalism, sensationalizing past events with no new evidence. This was very poorly done and I lost some respect for Dr. Phil

I didn't lose respect for Dr. Phil as I never had any.

[graciegirl]

I didn't lose respect for Dr. Phil as I never had any.

He is doing what he is paid to do. If he doesn't keep interest in his show, he won't be doing it anymore. I don't think psychology is an exact science and I am not sure how much applied psychology can do to help screwed up people but I think Dr. Phil says a lot of things most people agree with, does a good job getting to the heart of a problem and has a lot of common sense.

But having said that, sometimes I cringe when it gets a Jerry Springer flavor or he is touting his wife's crusade too much, not that I don't understand how we all need to help and protect battered women and men.

I think that the Dr. Phil show is getting getting to be too much too. But we watch it, a lot of us anyhow. People are very complex for sure.

[Miles42]

I have never watched the show. Don't like the type. It all smacks of Jerry Springer.

[rubicon]

Because of the unknown DNA on JonBenet's underwear and the evidence of entry via the basement window and evidence of the stun-gun marks on her neck and body, I would have to agree with the DA's outside investigator Lou Smit that an intruder committed the crime. The intruder watched the home waiting for the family to leave for the Christmas party. If they knew the bonus amount, then it makes sense they knew the family would be going to this Christmas party. Once inside the home, they had free roam and a lot of time to write the ransom letter.

Once the family returned, they waited in the basement until it was clear. They took their ransom letter and traveled upstairs to get JonBenet. She was stunned and then carried to the basement and the ransom letter was left on the steps. Once the child was in the basement, they attempted to place JonBenet in a suitcase and to lift her up through the window. When this became impossible, the intruder decided to have his wicked ways before killing the girl. He might of even taken her back to the kitchen to get the pineapple in order to be her friend. Then he fashioned the garrotte and then choked JonBenet to death.

John: You offer a logical alternative. One would have to be certain that the collection of evidence especially the DNA was done with zero tolerance for error. Did the police determine if the Ramsey's owned/purchased a stun gun?

If the culprits entered the basement window it is inconceivable that they could not exit this small child from this same window. Why the need for a suitcase when this home was well isolated?

It is conceivable that a mad man would show little concern of discovery and may have well ravaged the child in the basement. However if the intent was to kidnap why stop to ravage when the intent was to ransom her? Why the garrotte? Why write and leave the ransom note when it could be done once the kidnapping was successfully executed?

If it was someone other than the Ramsey's then s/he had to have had information about the interior of this very large home and Ramasey's business affair to have knowledge of the bonus. The child's bedroom would have been difficult to find without a blueprint or personal knowledge of the home ? If the intruder did take her from her bedroom it is surprising he did so without bumping into a member of the family

Why only ask for the amount of the bonus? if you are going to commit such a serious crime why would you settle for only and even stranger exactly $118,000?

The FBI people who originally investigated this case are going to have a documentary on Monday (CBS I believe) that identifies whom they believe was responsible. they do state that they believe the author of the ransom note was likely Pat Ramsey, mother....stay tuned

[CFrance]

Does anyone know the name of the show and/or the time that it will be aired on Monday?

[VILLAGERBB]

DNA evidence revealed Patsy and Burke's fingerprints on the bowl of pineapple.

[John_W]

John: You offer a logical alternative. One would have to be certain that the collection of evidence especially the DNA was done with zero tolerance for error. Did the police determine if the Ramsey's owned/purchased a stun gun?

If the culprits entered the basement window it is inconceivable that they could not exit this small child from this same window. Why the need for a suitcase when this home was well isolated?

It is conceivable that a mad man would show little concern of discovery and may have well ravaged the child in the basement. However if the intent was to kidnap why stop to ravage when the intent was to ransom her? Why the garrotte? Why write and leave the ransom note when it could be done once the kidnapping was successfully executed?

If it was someone other than the Ramsey's then s/he had to have had information about the interior of this very large home and Ramasey's business affair to have knowledge of the bonus. The child's bedroom would have been difficult to find without a blueprint or personal knowledge of the home ? If the intruder did take her from her bedroom it is surprising he did so without bumping into a member of the family

Why only ask for the amount of the bonus? if you are going to commit such a serious crime why would you settle for only and even stranger exactly $118,000?

The FBI people who originally investigated this case are going to have a documentary on Monday (CBS I believe) that identifies whom they believe was responsible. they do state that they believe the author of the ransom note was likely Pat Ramsey, mother....stay tuned

There was no stun-gun found in the home. The third part of the ID Channel show on Wednesday night said that new technology has enabled police to process touch DNA from the blanket, and it matched the DNA found on the underwear.

The knowledge of the home such as JonBenet's bedroom location, the family using the back stairway, and the basement room, and knowing they were attending a party that night, all made me think of the McReynolds person who portrayed Santa Claus. He is the one that told JoneBenet he would be making a surprise visit the day after Christmas and it was their little secret.

I believe the CBS Special is on this Sunday night following 60 minutes. I have never watched a Dr. Phil Show, I just don't find his stuff interesting.

[OhioBuckeye]

What a shame not for the authorities not to find the killer of this little girl after 20 yrs. Then to listen to this guy on 20/20 & 60 mins. that he made it sound at first that he did it. Why does 20/20 & 60 mins. waste their time airing this slow minded nut. Still can't believe a murdered little girl is dead & no one is found, but they'll find someone that killed 100's of people with thousands of people standing around at the Boston Marathon.

[NotGolfer]

I watched the 1st of the 2 parter on CBS last night. There were experts (profilers and ME's) who were weighing in on the evidence, videos from previous interviews and even having a proxy of the house to have a visual. They did some interviews of folks but also were blocked from some as people said "they didn't want to get involved". Allegedly, there had been a block on people back in the day to speak publically on this. I'd like to hear/see what these same folks would say (in observing) the Dr. Phil interview with the son. For sure, I'll be watching tonight's show. I somehow know a fore-gone conclusion won't be made BUT maybe if they keep this case going they eventually will find the person responsible!!

[RETIREDSFW]

A thought--- Burke was downstairs having pineapple and sister came in and took a bite. He got mad and he hit her with the flash light and Patsy came down and found them. It took 20 minutes to just copy that note and it is believed that she wrote it. John & Patsy stated that they did not kill Jon Benet. Last night's show on ID heard some of the conversation after the 911 call which was questioning a young male. They said he was in bed but not if that was his voice that was recorded. This is just a thought.

[ColdNoMore]

As sad and tragic as this poor little girl losing her life was, I find the fascination and obsession with it...an indictment of our society as a whole. :(

And while I don't blame those that see it as an opportunity to make money from it (free enterprise and all that), I personally refuse to watch anything associated with it so many years later...just so someone can suck money from a prurient audience.

[bunnyhop]

It has been twenty years since the little girls death in Boulder, Colorado and there is much attention being given to this murder again. Many Television programs revisiting the murder and the family.

The surviving son, Burke Ramsey has granted a public interview on Dr. Phil for the first time. His behavior is unusual at times in this interview and makes me think perhaps he has Aspergers Syndrome, a form of Autism.

I have seen now an interview with Patsy Ramsey where she is very angry for being asked if she is involved and says things like " I don't care a flip what you think" to the police.

The ransom note didn't and doesn't make sense to me.

Any thoughts to share?

I always thought the brother committed the murder -- accidentally. He probably got angry with her in the kitchen and hit her with the flashlight. Then, when the parents discovered what he had done, they devised a plan to protect him from prosecution so that they would not, also, lose him.

[bunnyhop]

A thought--- Burke was downstairs having pineapple and sister came in and took a bite. He got mad and he hit her with the flash light and Patsy came down and found them. It took 20 minutes to just copy that note and it is believed that she wrote it. John & Patsy stated that they did not kill Jon Benet. Last night's show on ID heard some of the conversation after the 911 call which was questioning a young male. They said he was in bed but not if that was his voice that was recorded. This is just a thought.
I agree. That's what I originally thought, too.

[maureenod]

When they get a DNA match, they will have the killer. Brother was 9... would not be prosecuted, it would be an accident. Family DNA did NOT MATCH. POLICE SCREWED UP.

[carol_baumer]

I was Burke's fourth grade teacher in Boulder Colorado during that year. I can't imagine the hell that the whole family went through. If you had had the pleasure of meeting the Ramseys and knowing them, talking with them, being the recipient of their kindnesses and generosity, you would not believe the media and their quick judgement.

[John_W]

...Brother was 9... would not be prosecuted, it would be an accident. Family DNA did NOT MATCH. POLICE SCREWED UP.

I agree, Burke at age 9 would of never been charged with murder, plus at that time the family had very deep pockets. So were to assume the family jumped straight into a phony kidnapping scheme to cover a skull fracture, a fracture that may not have even caused death since many attribute death to asphyxiation. Then they write an elaborate ransom letter, and stage a murder with the garrote and choke JonBenet to death. The parents did love JonBenet.

The flashlight found in the kitchen did not below to the Ramseys. The DNA on the underwear and the blanket has never been identified? The opened window, disturbed debris in the window well, the suitcase, someone entered through that window. The stun-gun marks, the stun-gun has never been found? The black duct tape over JonBenet's mouth, no matching roll has ever been found in the home.

If the window was staged by John Ramsey, wouldn't he had brought that up or pointed that out during the interrogations? He never did, it was the DA's detective Lou Smit who discovered the basement access.

Detective Lou Smit entering the window well.

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The basement window with the grate removed.

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Detective Lou Smit showing how easy it is to climb through.

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As sad and tragic as this poor little girl losing her life was, I find the fascination and obsession with it...an indictment of our society as a whole.

Indictment of our society, what is that suppose to mean? People that like a good mystery must be sick? Let me throw out a few words, Perry Mason, Sherlock Holmes, crossword puzzles, jigsaw puzzles, Rubik cubes, labyrinths, magicians, get the point. People like to be intrigued, it's that simple, or you can just grow old and die.

[Barefoot]

I was Burke's fourth grade teacher in Boulder Colorado during that year. I can't imagine the hell that the whole family went through. If you had had the pleasure of meeting the Ramseys and knowing them, talking with them, being the recipient of their kindnesses and generosity, you would not believe the media and their quick judgement.I find it heartbreaking that not only did the Ramsays lose a beloved daughter to a brutal murderer,
but that they were portrayed in the Media as being responsible.

[graciegirl]

I was Burke's fourth grade teacher in Boulder Colorado during that year. I can't imagine the hell that the whole family went through. If you had had the pleasure of meeting the Ramseys and knowing them, talking with them, being the recipient of their kindnesses and generosity, you would not believe the media and their quick judgement.

I got the feeling that Burke may have Apsbergers Syndrome from watching certain responses and behaviors as he was interviewed. That of course is not tied to violence in any way but it would explain his staying in bed.

[Barefoot]

As sad and tragic as this poor little girl losing her life was, I find the fascination and obsession with it...an indictment of our society as a whole.......I personally refuse to watch anything associated with it so many years later...just so someone can suck money from a prurient audience. IMHO, there are people interested in true life homicides, not because of prurient interest, but because they truly want to understand deviate and unnatural behavior.