Could this be more Villages following Fenney?

[champion6]

An application for mass grading has been submitted the Southwest Florida Water Management District for an area called Southern Oaks. It is 2,307 acres, located south of 44 (but not touching 44), east of 468 and north of the Turnpike. Link to application: Environmental Resource Permit Apps (http://www18.swfwmd.state.fl.us/ERP/ERP/Entry/ERP.aspx?id=731440&UniquePageID=a60c7b91-d0cd-4977-900a-f1da0c493a9d)

The attachment shows the outline of Southern Oaks.

Here's the interesting part. The applicants are the property owner - Daryl M Carter, PO box, Orlando - as well as Martin Dzure, 1045 Lake Sumter Landing, The Villages.

Grant & Dzuro Engineering is at this address. This address was formerly used by Mid Florida Properties LLC, a developer-owned business that is now at 1020 Lake Sumter Landing.

Hmm ... If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.

[Bogie Shooter]

To be a success, there needs to be a 200,000 sq. ft. Publix!:evil6:

Champ, great piece of information. What gave you the lead to explore this further?

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Build out is a myth.

[skip0358]

Anybody who thinks they'really done hasn't had enough Kool aide yet. Why stop build it and they will come. Good for them .

[Bonny]

My unprofessional opinion is, there will only be a build out when there is no more property ! :D

[skip0358]

Seem to remember some time ago on here about a shopping area for that spot. Now that there'should nearby housing coming makes sense to start now.

[Barefoot]

An application for mass grading has been submitted the Southwest Florida Water Management District for an area called Southern Oaks. It is 2,307 acres, located south of 44 (but not touching 44), east of 468 and north of the Turnpike. Link to application: Environmental Resource Permit Apps (http://www18.swfwmd.state.fl.us/ERP/ERP/Entry/ERP.aspx?id=731440&UniquePageID=a60c7b91-d0cd-4977-900a-f1da0c493a9d)

The attachment shows the outline of Southern Oaks.

Here's the interesting part. The applicants are the property owner - Daryl M Carter, PO box, Orlando - as well as Martin Dzure, 1045 Lake Sumter Landing, The Villages.

Grant & Dzuro Engineering is at this address. This address was formerly used by Mid Florida Properties LLC, a developer-owned business that is now at 1020 Lake Sumter Landing.

Hmm ... If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck. Interesting. Champion, thanks for doing the research.

[village dreamer]

My unprofessional opinion is, there will only be a build out when there is no more property ! :D
then you tear down the old and start new again,like the old side is doing now.

[Bonny]

then you tear down the old and start new again,like the old side is doing now.
:coolsmiley:

[champion6]

Champ, great piece of information. What gave you the lead to explore this further?When the SWFWMD approves an application, they publish a notice in the Classifieds of the Daily Sun.

[bike42]

Daryl L. Carter/Maury Carter Assoc. is a huge real estate firm in Orlando. They brokered the deal with The Villages for the dairy farm that is now The Villages of Pine Hills and Pine Ridge, Fruitland Park.

To see how much land he owns or is trustee for in Sumter County just enter Carter, Daryl in the name search at Sumter County Property Appraiser (http://www.sumterpa.com/gis/)

The land he owns or controls northeast of the Turnpike has been on the market for many years for $30,000,000. Whether TV has come to some agreement with them now that the turnpike exit is nearly ready . . . we shall see.

[CWGUY]

When the SWFWMD approves an application, they publish a notice in the Classifieds of the Daily Sun.

:read: A.K.A. the paper everyone loves to hate!

[Topspinmo]

An application for mass grading has been submitted the Southwest Florida Water Management District for an area called Southern Oaks. It is 2,307 acres, located south of 44 (but not touching 44), east of 468 and north of the Turnpike. Link to application: Environmental Resource Permit Apps (http://www18.swfwmd.state.fl.us/ERP/ERP/Entry/ERP.aspx?id=731440&UniquePageID=a60c7b91-d0cd-4977-900a-f1da0c493a9d)

The attachment shows the outline of Southern Oaks.

Here's the interesting part. The applicants are the property owner - Daryl M Carter, PO box, Orlando - as well as Martin Dzure, 1045 Lake Sumter Landing, The Villages.



Grant & Dzuro Engineering is at this address. This address was formerly used by Mid Florida Properties LLC, a developer-owned business that is now at 1020 Lake Sumter Landing.

Hmm ... If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.

As long as the sun comes and goes down in the evening the build will continue.

How many of use got sucked in by the build out?

[rtime]

They have a plan for that area that was approved by Wildwood a few years ago.

[RickeyD]

http://www.wildwood-fl.gov/vertical/sites/%7B2B1FDA13-2F94-4097-8D07-352D07554D9B%7D/uploads/O2012-01_DO_SOUTHERN_OAKS.pdf

[Gordon82]

As long as they keep the amenities in line with the population, who cares? If they start building "village islands" that are not connected to the main campus, don't have significant amenities, and have the right to use main campus amenities, things could get interesting.

[RickeyD]

As long as they keep the amenities in line with the population, who cares? If they start building "village islands" that are not connected to the main campus, don't have significant amenities, and have the right to use main campus amenities, things could get interesting.

Fenny people will use the main campus amenities and nobody from the main campus will use Fenny amenities. What will Fenny have that the main campus doesn't ? Nothing...What will Fenny have that the main campus people want? Nothing...
My wife searches the Rec news for yoga and swim activities for the week which ultimately take her to all of the different rec centers south of Lake Sumter. During the off season she needs to arrive 30 to 45 minutes early to secure her place. She certainly will not travel south of SR44 on a golf cart.

[justjim]

I was told by a Village real estate agent a year or so ago that the Developer wanted to continue building in order to continue employment for an many employees as possible. It seemed to me like a sincere and honest opinion from someone fairly close to those in charge of the construction operations of The Villages.

Of course, with the large commercial property owned by the Developer, a larger population base is certainly not bad for business.

[twoplanekid]

http://www.wildwood-fl.gov/vertical/sites/%7B2B1FDA13-2F94-4097-8D07-352D07554D9B%7D/uploads/O2012-01_DO_SOUTHERN_OAKS.pdf

Thanks for looking this up!

From page 5 ->
At build out, and subject to the conditions and restrictions herein, there will be a maximum of 1,214 residential units, 1,930 apartments, condominiums, and townhouses, .....

too few residential units

From Page 46 ->
The onsite wetlands total just under 40% of the site and along with adjacent upland buffers are being preserved.

too little space

This doesn’t sound like the usual game plan for our developer based on the above plans.

[photo1902]

An application for mass grading has been submitted the Southwest Florida Water Management District for an area called Southern Oaks. It is 2,307 acres, located south of 44 (but not touching 44), east of 468 and north of the Turnpike. Link to application: Environmental Resource Permit Apps (http://www18.swfwmd.state.fl.us/ERP/ERP/Entry/ERP.aspx?id=731440&UniquePageID=a60c7b91-d0cd-4977-900a-f1da0c493a9d)

The attachment shows the outline of Southern Oaks.

Here's the interesting part. The applicants are the property owner - Daryl M Carter, PO box, Orlando - as well as Martin Dzure, 1045 Lake Sumter Landing, The Villages.

Grant & Dzuro Engineering is at this address. This address was formerly used by Mid Florida Properties LLC, a developer-owned business that is now at 1020 Lake Sumter Landing.

Hmm ... If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.

Just take a ride down that way. Lots of trees coming down, and land being cleared.

[Bosoxfan]

Fenny people will use the main campus amenities and nobody from the main campus will use Fenny amenities. What will Fenny have that the main campus doesn't ? Nothing...What will Fenny have that the main campus people want? Nothing...
My wife searches the Rec news for yoga and swim activities for the week which ultimately take her to all of the different rec centers south of Lake Sumter. During the off season she needs to arrive 30 to 45 minutes early to secure her place.
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Even if it's accessible by golf cart?

[ColdNoMore]

As long as the sun comes and goes down in the evening the build will continue.

How many of use got sucked in by the build out?

Not me, because even five years ago I asked myself what the developer's incentive was to stop what has obviously shown to be a very successful business model?

Given that 'The Family' is only getting bigger and the natural tendency is to bring those members into 'the business'...I can't see why they would stop. :shrug:

And as far as I'm concerned, as long as they build the amenities and infrastructure (re: golf courses primarily) to keep up...I welcome additional people seeking their dream retirement spot.

I personally am not one of those (not saying you are either) who have the 'I got mine, find yours somewhere else'...line of reasoning.

I have more than a couple of neighbors (who have been here about twice as long as me)...who feel pretty strong about that philosophy however. :ohdear:

[Schaumburger]

champion6, thank you for posting this information . . . very interesting.

The land acquired to build the Village of Fenney (1,000 acres according to the 3/29 article in the other Villages news site) will support 3,000 homes.

I know this is speculation, but if this land in the Southern Oaks project is indeed to become another Village(s), wouldn't a purchase of 2,307 acres support at least 5,000 additional homes?

I remember the first time I visited The Villages in 2011 with my friend who was home shopping. The Villages agent who took us to see homes told us that TV's build out would be complete by 2015 or 2016 at the latest. That was the information given to the Villages sales agents 5 years ago to pass along to potential home buyers.

I will keep checking TOTV and the other Villages news site to see what happens with this issue.

[mickey100]

If the developers feel they need more money and they want to expand the villages that is their perogative. They do an adequate job of providing golf courses and amenities, although as others have pointed out it's very difficult to use some of those amenities during the high season because of the steep demand. But one thing they have not done is to improve the highway infrastructure in and around the villages. Look at route 466 for example. That was built to handle a certain volume of traffic. The villages has almost tripled in size since we moved here and yet the highway infrastructure has changed very little. That translates to traffic tie ups and huge traffic delays during the high season. Each year it is worse with more and more people. Wait until March arrives - this place will be a zoo. You can plan on taking twice as long to get somewhere, given the increased traffic and resultanting decreased roadway capacity.

[Bonny]

"The Family" are developers. As long as there is land, they will continue in their job of developing. I would highly doubt they would ever quit their job because others say there should be a buildout.
If there is land, someone will develop it. I would much rather have "The Family" develop it than some other developer who will certainly not care about us at all.
Carry on Morse Family. I love it. :pepper2:

[andercat]

I'm just throwing this out. I have no inside information. Do you think that The Developer will eventually connect the new Village of Fenny to the main campus? Fill in the space in between? Is that even possible?

[circletrack]

I'm just throwing this out. I have no inside information. Do you think that The Developer will eventually connect the new Village of Fenny to the main campus? Fill in the space in between? Is that even possible?

Would have to find a way to cross the turnpike.

[Mikeod]

If the developers feel they need more money and they want to expand the villages that is their perogative. They do an adequate job of providing golf courses and amenities, although as others have pointed out it's very difficult to use some of those amenities during the high season because of the steep demand. But one thing they have not done is to improve the highway infrastructure in and around the villages. Look at route 466 for example. That was built to handle a certain volume of traffic. The villages has almost tripled in size since we moved here and yet the highway infrastructure has changed very little. That translates to traffic tie ups and huge traffic delays during the high season. Each year it is worse with more and more people. Wait until March arrives - this place will be a zoo. You can plan on taking twice as long to get somewhere, given the increased traffic and resultanting decreased roadway capacity.
The roads in Sumter county are owned by the county, so they would have to respond to traffic concerns by expanding the capacity. They have already addressed some problems, such as widening the Morse/466 intersection to include right turn lanes and lengthen the left turn lanes on 466 to reduce the times that lane backs up traffic on 466. They completed (finally) the expansion/revision of 466A from Powell Rd. to 301. And now the work on 466A from the Shell station to 441.

When we got here in 2006, 466 east of the seafood place was one lane each direction. The developer funded the expansion to Rolling Acres. And he funded the expansion of 466A from one lane to two from Powell Rd. east to the Shell station. So, IMO, he has fulfilled his responsibility as TV expands.

Traffic increases and facility access problems are endemic in FL during the high season. Recreation facilities, restaurants, medical facilities as well as roads are overtaxed throughout the state. I don't think there is interest in funding expansion for the 3-4 month period.

[bike42]

Would have to find a way to cross the turnpike.

The bridge over the Turnpike is already there, but they are not likely to mix golf cart traffic with turnpike entry/exit traffic, and the road speed limits are too high. The other barrier is SR 44 -- plus the distance. Who would want to travel that far by golf cart?

I think that's the rationale for the "buildout" -- the main area that is golf cart accessible will be finished, but there will be many outlying developments -- done by TV or others -- that will complement the central core.

[Dixie Duo]

Under the documents tab of ERP Permit #24580.004 APP:731440 you will see that the Company name is The Villages of Lake Sumter. The original land use in 2010 called for 1214 residential, 1930 apartments, condominiums, and townhomes, 300 bed ACLF , 505,000 sq.ft. of commercial, and 2,685,000 sq. ft. of business park. Description of permit was : predominately business park and commercial uses that are supported by residential uses. Unless changes are made to original description sounds like this will not be a new "Village' type development but a new type venture.

[pauld315]

Under the documents tab of ERP Permit #24580.004 APP:731440 you will see that the Company name is The Villages of Lake Sumter. The original land use in 2010 called for 1214 residential, 1930 apartments, condominiums, and townhomes, 300 bed ACLF , 505,000 sq.ft. of commercial, and 2,685,000 sq. ft. of business park. Description of permit was : predominately business park and commercial uses that are supported by residential uses. Unless changes are made to original description sounds like this will not be a new "Village' type development but a new type venture.
I would imagine they would change the proposed use of the land and would be able to get aproval for that. The important thing for the The Villages is to consider if the longest lead time studies have been completed (ie:Environmental Impact studies)and the land has been approved to be built upon.

[Cedwards38]

If not there, then somewhere else. I chuckle every time I hear the phrase "build out" used in relation to The Villages. It's marketing. And more power to them. Harold's grandchildren are now working for the business, and business is good. Why would they ever stop?

[champion6]

<snip> Harold's grandchildren are now working for the business, and business is good. <snip>From what I've seen, Harold's great-grandchildren are employed by TV.

[Harry Gilbert]

Why would anyone assume that new areas would be built using the same model as the current Layout? I'm quite sure that the corp. has a long term plan and have studied what future demographics will require. It is possible that the current model has reached or is nearing the end of its run.

[Bjeanj]

When the SWFWMD approves an application, they publish a notice in the Classifieds of the Daily Sun.

SWFWMD: Single white female, weapons of mass destruction?

[Schaumburger]

Why would anyone assume that new areas would be built using the same model as the current Layout? I'm quite sure that the corp. has a long term plan and have studied what future demographics will require. It is possible that the current model has reached or is nearing the end of its run.

This is a very interesting observation. I (I am my mid 50's) may be part of the future demographics (plus those future buyers now in their early 50's and 40's).

Just wondering...could you or anyone else be more specific regarding how the current model of TV may have reached or is soon to reach the end of its run?

[Packer Fan]

This is a very interesting observation. I (I am my mid 50's) may be part of the future demographics (plus those future buyers now in their early 50's and 40's).

Just wondering...could you or anyone else be more specific regarding how the current model of TV may have reached or is soon to reach the end of its run?

I don't see that happening. There are over 300 MILLION people in the USA (not even counting all the Germans and Canadians who come to TV) and about 100,000 in TV. That is MINISCULE. The person who stated Fenney was going to be the SW corner of the villages was dead right - they will figure out how to get over 44 and the turnpike. Why else did they build Brownwood so far south? I have a plan for a house overlooking Lake Okahumka south of 44 when they start building there....

Don't forget all the chunks of land INSIDE the villages that the developer has not bought yet - like the part north of 466 and east of the polo fields..

They will also continue to develop the historic section by buying trailers and building homes.

This won't be over for a long time. They have slowed down the pace -and I think that is good - but they won't stop

Ed

[Schaumburger]

I don't see that happening. There are over 300 MILLION people in the USA (not even counting all the Germans and Canadians who come to TV) and about 100,000 in TV. That is MINISCULE. The person who stated Fenney was going to be the SW corner of the villages was dead right - they will figure out how to get over 44 and the turnpike. Why else did they build Brownwood so far south? I have a plan for a house overlooking Lake Okahumka south of 44 when they start building there....

Don't forget all the chunks of land INSIDE the villages that the developer has not bought yet - like the part north of 466 and east of the polo fields..

They will also continue to develop the historic section by buying trailers and building homes.

This won't be over for a long time. They have slowed down the pace -and I think that is good - but they won't stop

Ed

Not that the growth/future expansion of TV in the years to come will stop, but would love to know how the expansion of TV will unfold/be managed/be marketed in the coming few years as the late Baby Boomers (like me) and early Generation X folks plan their retirement. The developer's strategic 5 year/10 year plan is a closely held secret as it is is all corporations.

[2BNTV]

Not that the growth/future expansion of TV in the years to come will stop, but would love to know how the expansion of TV will unfold/be managed/be marketed in the coming few years as the late Baby Boomers (like me) and early Generation X folks plan their retirement. The developer's strategic 5 year/10 year plan is a closely held secret as it is is all corporations.

No one knows what the developer plans are. When the developer starts building something, then we get an inkling of what's to be. This has been going on for several years as when I was thinking of moving to TV, build out was supposed to be finished in 2012.

I was also concerned if their would be a home for me but as we go along, new things are planned and built. I'm here and so will you be, one day.

"Build Out " is a myth as Dr WOB Jr, always says.

[Harry Gilbert]

This is a very interesting observation. I (I am my mid 50's) may be part of the future demographics (plus those future buyers now in their early 50's and 40's).

Just wondering...could you or anyone else be more specific regarding how the current model of TV may have reached or is soon to reach the end of its run?

Also in my 50's

It's about sustainability currently it takes approx 55k homeowners to maintain the status quo. that means there has to be a steady influx of buyers that have the means and desire to live the country club lifestyle which is what TV amounts too. Due to changes in economic realities and lifestyle changes the pool of available buyers will decrease sharply. Face it TV is a urban area and becoming financially out of reach for many. Pensions systems are becoming rare and home equity is nowhere near what it was 25 years ago. Many here sold the family home for multiple times the original cost, Now a 25% increase in equity is more typical. Not to mention the hit savings have taken.

A smaller development with a reasonable price range can draw from those who still want to retire nearby but either don't want to spend $300k on a house on a 10th of a acre or simply can't. It used to be said you could move to TV for $100k those days are over.

Add in the fact that younger generations are less tolerant of a corporation being in control over their daily lives...

[Shimpy]

No one knows what the developer plans are. When the developer starts building something, then we get an inkling of what's to be. This has been going on for several years as when I was thinking of moving to TV, build out was supposed to be finished in 2012.
"Build Out " is a myth as Dr WOB Jr, always says.

None of us currently living in TV will live long enough to see "build out"

[GaryW]

I have watched the area for awhile. Village of Fenny would not be useful unless there is a connection to 44. I will not only involve the County for road use but also FED DOT because of the Turnpike issue. there would have to be a separate lane or easement for a cart bridge to cross the TP.. Not sure how that will happen, but with money anything is possible. The new area Southern Oak, that land is connected to the family. So many different companies they use and file under. There are a lot of internal changes going on in the main infrastructure of the The Villages that most do not know about. It supports building, but have to be careful and know when you are approaching that line not to cross.. :pepper2:

[mulligan]

Could you back up , read what you wrote, and try it again in English. Have absolutely no idea what you said.

[MikeyBoo54]

If the developers feel they need more money and they want to expand the villages that is their perogative. They do an adequate job of providing golf courses and amenities, although as others have pointed out it's very difficult to use some of those amenities during the high season because of the steep demand. But one thing they have not done is to improve the highway infrastructure in and around the villages. Look at route 466 for example. That was built to handle a certain volume of traffic. The villages has almost tripled in size since we moved here and yet the highway infrastructure has changed very little. That translates to traffic tie ups and huge traffic delays during the high season. Each year it is worse with more and more people. Wait until March arrives - this place will be a zoo. You can plan on taking twice as long to get somewhere, given the increased traffic and resultanting decreased roadway capacity.

Reading through the forum, one common theme is the folks who are very concerned that it is so crowded in the "on-season" and only getting worse. Has anyone ever considered that one solution to that problem might be to no longer allow seasonal rentals?

I am sure that wouldn't be a popular solution as many residents own more than one home and do quite nicely off the rental market, both seasonal and long-term.

Not saying this is going to happen or even advocating it, just bringing up the point for discussion.

Fire away! :beer3:

[Bonny]

Reading through the forum, one common theme is the folks who are very concerned that it is so crowded in the "on-season" and only getting worse. Has anyone ever considered that one solution to that problem might be to no longer allow seasonal rentals?

I am sure that wouldn't be a popular solution as many residents own more than one home and do quite nicely off the rental market, both seasonal and long-term.

Not saying this is going to happen or even advocating it, just bringing up the point for discussion.

Fire away! :beer3:
They bring a lot of money to the businesses.

[MikeyBoo54]

They bring a lot of money to the businesses.

True. But if the change in status encourages those renting to buy, then many of those homes being rented will fill up with permanent owners.

Money still there.

And the ability of the population to use the facilities all the time, instead of just 3-4 months a year may balance the crowds at the amenties between the levels in the "on-season" vs the "off-season".

Crowded highways and heavy traffic - I got nothin' for that. If the infrastructure doesn't grow to accommodate the population it won't get better.......and infrastructure growth is painfully slow.

[Jima64]

Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeyBoo54 View Post
Reading through the forum, one common theme is the folks who are very concerned that it is so crowded in the "on-season" and only getting worse. Has anyone ever considered that one solution to that problem might be to no longer allow seasonal rentals?

I am sure that wouldn't be a popular solution as many residents own more than one home and do quite nicely off the rental market, both seasonal and long-term.

Not saying this is going to happen or even advocating it, just bringing up the point for discussion.

Fire away!
How would limiting rentals affect the crowding or overuse of the Villages. Full time rental would still mean bodies in the villages just as if it was used by a full time owner.

[Packer Fan]

Reading through the forum, one common theme is the folks who are very concerned that it is so crowded in the "on-season" and only getting worse. Has anyone ever considered that one solution to that problem might be to no longer allow seasonal rentals?

I am sure that wouldn't be a popular solution as many residents own more than one home and do quite nicely off the rental market, both seasonal and long-term.

Not saying this is going to happen or even advocating it, just bringing up the point for discussion.

Fire away! :beer3:

Since you have not thought this through, let me spell it out for you - no seasonal rentals means the owners of said rentals all sell their properties and home values in the villages plummet. Those who rent don't want to own, I can tell you from talking to a lot of them. Not going to happen. Anyway, it is not in the covenants, so the only way it could happen is if Florida passed a law, so forget it.

[Wavy Chips]

Would have to find a way to cross the turnpike.

The Morse family is worth billions. If they want to, or if they need to, they would relocate the turnpike. :jester:

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Build out is a myth. It's all part of a communist plot to destroy our great country.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Since you have not thought this through, let me spell it out for you - no seasonal rentals means the owners of said rentals all sell their properties and home values in the villages plummet. Those who rent don't want to own, I can tell you from talking to a lot of them. Not going to happen. Anyway, it is not in the covenants, so the only way it could happen is if Florida passed a law, so forget it.

Also, we don't know that the majority of snowbirds are renters. I have several friends that own a home here and one up north.

Even if a law were to be passed, we'd have to assume that all of those homes that are used for rentals would become owner occupied twelve months a year. We'd have snowbird season all year long.

[Packer Fan]

Also, we don't know that the majority of snowbirds are renters. I have several friends that own a home here and one up north.

Even if a law were to be passed, we'd have to assume that all of those homes that are used for rentals would become owner occupied twelve months a year. We'd have snowbird season all year long.

You are right on brother... I think you nailed it.

and it IS a communist plot :)

[GaryW]

Could you back up , read what you wrote, and try it again in English. Have absolutely no idea what you said.

I guess I could try English Next Time :Screen_of_Death:

[justjim]

This Thread Is long on speculation and short on real facts on the future of the area south of 44. However, you can bet the Developer of The Villages has an overall plan and you will know what it is when you see it.

"You can never plan the future by the past". E. Burke

[ducati1974]

It seems pretty obvious to me that there was no need for the Rohan Rec Center and Publix shopping center way down south (with not a whole lot of houses close by) unless there were future expansion plans for that area.

[rubicon]

Have a very wonderful and productive day

[Fuzz323]

WOW - 3000 - maybe 3500 more homes. The traffic will be horrific during the winter when the "birds" are here. I can hardly wait?
The shopping area of 441/27 ( Loews - Home Depot area) is already wall to wall most winter days. It certainly is not going to
get any better. Wonder how much is too much or will that ever happen?

[VApeople]

It seems pretty obvious to me that there was no need for the Rohan Rec Center and Publix shopping center way down south (with not a whole lot of houses close by) unless there were future expansion plans for that area.

Yeah, I agree.

In the meantime, the new Publix is a very nice place to shop and the workers seem very happy to have a job there.

[Villageswimmer]

Yeah, I agree.

In the meantime, the new Publix is a very nice place to shop and the workers seem very happy to have a job there.

Agree. Great people and store.

[Barefoot]

WOW - 3000 - maybe 3500 more homes. The traffic will be horrific during the winter when the "birds" are here. I can hardly wait?
The shopping area of 441/27 ( Loews - Home Depot area) is already wall to wall most winter days. It certainly is not going to get any better. Wonder how much is too much or will that ever happen?
Many of us doubt that "too much" or "build out" will ever arrive.

[Ithreeputtoo]

I did some research and Lbcv, Inc. owns Mid Florida Properties. Lbcv, Inc. has Mark Morse as one of the directors along with Gary Moyer. Also Martin Dzuro is a Vice President of Lbcv, Inc. My money says The Villages is the new owner of the property as Maury L Carter and Associates is a commercial real estate company and their website shows the property as sold now. Yes it is a Villages secret that is now OUT.

[graciegirl]

WE are glad "THEY" didn't stop at 466.

[Barefoot]

WE are glad "THEY" didn't stop at 466.
Of course those of us who live south of CR 466 are glad they didn't stop at 466.:pepper2:
I guess it's human nature to decry additional building as soon as a spot is secured in The Villages.

[VApeople]

Many of us doubt that "too much" or "build out" will ever arrive.

I agree. In the meantime we, like all intelligent senior citizens, are just trying to enjoy each day we are fortunate to be alive.

[PHILANDLYNN]

Don't forget about the 27,000 acres just outside of Yeehaw Junction that was purchased for $135,000,000 12 years ago and is sitting there waiting to be developed. no one knows who the real buyer was. Could this be the next Villages?

[Barefoot]

In the meantime we, like all intelligent senior citizens, are just trying to enjoy each day we are fortunate to be alive.
:beer3: Absolutely. If build out never occurs, so be it.
It's still a visionary, well-planned community!

[JoelJohnson]

There is a bridge just south of the rest area on the turnpike.

[Cedwards38]

Of course. There will always be more Villages, and why shouldn't there be as long as there is a demand.

[joesin]

Look at Google Maps there is a bridge over the turnpike just east of the service center.
All ready to connect to Fenny..

[graciegirl]

:beer3: Absolutely. If build out never occurs, so be it.
It's still a visionary, well-planned community!


Yes it is. I love how this place is run and the planning and the expertise and the beautiful green spaces allotted. The Morses have secured their fortune but continue to work. I admire them all.

[yesi3putt2]

My unprofessional opinion is, there will only be a build out when there is no more property ! :D

I second your unprofessional opinion

[champion6]

Look at Google Maps there is a bridge over the turnpike just east of the service center.
All ready to connect to Fenny.While technically true, your post is misleading.

The bridge over the turnpike and the eastern edge of Fenney are 2 miles apart.

There are a few large parcels separating the two and as we have seen, the developer has deep pockets. It's easy to imagine that the current owners (Bingham Hide Co. and Bexley Sumter Inc.) would sell to the developer.

[Barefoot]

It's easy to imagine that the current owners (Bingham Hide Co. and Bexley Sumter Inc.) would sell to the developer.I wouldn't be surprised if the Developers already have Options on these two properties.

[EnglishJW]

The Morse family is worth billions. If they want to, or if they need to, they would relocate the turnpike. :jester:

Thanks - gave me a chuckle this morning.

As someone has already pointed out, there is Bailey Road over the turnpike in addition to the more traditional overpasses. Now we just have to start connecting all the land parcels above and below the Turnpike before the assault on 44.

[EnglishJW]

Of course those of us who live south of CR 466 are glad they didn't stop at 466.:pepper2:
I guess it's human nature to decry additional building as soon as a spot is secured in The Villages.


I too fully agree. It may not be obvious or even important to many but moving into a "new" community (IMO) offers many more opportunities to make new friends and quickly become part of the local village culture. We didn't intend to buy south of 466A but it has turned out to have been a great decision for us. Plus, we are that much closer to Disney World!

[kstew43]

the villages are supposed to own.....in one name or another.... all the way to Center Hill. Hwy 48.

So says residents of Allentown who are holding out for big bucks with there land.

[Chatbrat]

Looking @ the average age of Villagers--we shouldn't worry about real estate values as long as we are on the right side of the grass- in all reality, real estate is not an investment-its a life style purchase- if you have to purchase real estate to make $$--you're kidding yourself if you're purchasing in the TV--

If you want to make real $$ in real estate buy in Chatham TWP,NJ--10% a year--but 30% of all properties are over $1,000,000.00

[mrbgull]

What about the water?????? or lack there of.

[baustgen]

The Villages is such a success. Why would they ever stop?

[Nucky]

Looking @ the average age of Villagers--we shouldn't worry about real estate values as long as we are on the right side of the grass- in all reality, real estate is not an investment-its a life style purchase- if you have to purchase real estate to make $$--you're kidding yourself if you're purchasing in the TV--

If you want to make real $$ in real estate buy in Chatham TWP,NJ--10% a year--but 30% of all properties are over $1,000,000.00

I can't take it anymore. We are from Florham Park NJ over near Braidburn C.C. and we could put Chatham Twp or Chatham Boro under our finger nail and we love to eat at Wendy's & we don't drink and and I let people cut in front of me at the mailbox and I hold doors open for others and and and and that's all for now. I feel much better. Our school always beat Chatham in football too! If you read this and you want to drive slow in front of me I won't cry about it or honk the horn. If you serve me a bad meal I won't ruin your business with my beer muscles sitting behind a computer reporting something I don't like and being a human cloud. :blahblahblah:

[ColdNoMore]

The Villages is such a success. Why would they ever stop?

Especially with more and more family mouths sitting at the table...wanting their piece of pie.

[Villages Kahuna]

I think with additional research we'll find that The Village of Fenney is a Villages-owned development and has significant recreational amenities planned. The property along CR 466A in Wildwood was originally supposed to be an expansion of The Villages. But negotiations between The Villages and the town of Wildwood broke down and The Villages withdrew any further plan for developing that property.

Wildwood did not want the property to be developed as a senior community and wanted far greater residential density and more commercial and retail space. The Villages plan which was rejected was for a senior community with an additional golf course and recreational facilities which would be connected to existing Villages development.

The development currently underway will represent the land use desired by Wildwood and will have virtually no recreational amenities other than walking trails and a very small (7.6 acre) city park. It will not be connected to The Villages, nor will residents of that area have access to Villages amenities. We will have to deal with the additional traffic that is inevitable along 466A, of course.

[graciegirl]

I think with additional research we'll find that The Village of Fenney is a Villages-owned development and has significant recreational amenities planned. The property along CR 466A in Wildwood was originally supposed to be an expansion of The Villages. But negotiations between The Villages and the town of Wildwood broke down and The Villages withdrew any further plan for developing that property.

Wildwood did not want the property to be developed as a senior community and wanted far greater residential density and more commercial and retail space. The Villages plan which was rejected was for a senior community with an additional golf course and recreational facilities which would be connected to existing Villages development.

The development currently underway will represent the land use desired by Wildwood and will have virtually no recreational amenities other than walking trails and a very small (7.6 acre) city park. It will not be connected to The Villages, nor will residents of that area have access to Villages amenities. We will have to deal with the additional traffic that is inevitable along 466A, of course.

Always enjoy and agree with your posts.

I would have much preferred to have more of The Villages in the area that Wildwood wanted more Wildwood. It is my opinion that behind a lot of decisions made by the current leadership of Wildwood is Village envy. The Villages don't have to play with them. Go Morses.

[champion6]

I think with additional research we'll find that The Village of Fenney is a Villages-owned development and has significant recreational amenities planned. The property along CR 466A in Wildwood was originally supposed to be an expansion of The Villages. But negotiations between The Villages and the town of Wildwood broke down and The Villages withdrew any further plan for developing that property.

Wildwood did not want the property to be developed as a senior community and wanted far greater residential density and more commercial and retail space. The Villages plan which was rejected was for a senior community with an additional golf course and recreational facilities which would be connected to existing Villages development.

The development currently underway will represent the land use desired by Wildwood and will have virtually no recreational amenities other than walking trails and a very small (7.6 acre) city park. It will not be connected to The Villages, nor will residents of that area have access to Villages amenities. We will have to deal with the additional traffic that is inevitable along 466A, of course.VK, this thread is very long and has taken some twists and turns - as is often the case.

You didn't quote a message, so I'm not sure who you are responding to. You refer to the approximately 300 acres on CR 466A, across from Pinellas Plaza.

This thread was started to discuss the approximately 2,300 acres in the area along CR 468, north of Florida's Turnpike. This parcel is definitely own by The Villages.

[JoelJohnson]

There is already a bridge just south of the service area.

[mtdjed]

Has anyone noticed the Cross Florida Greenway bridge across I-75 (Cross Florida Greenway -The Land Bridge | Florida Hikes! (http://floridahikes.com/cross-florida-greenway-the-land-bridge)). Just saying that a Turnpike is not impossible to cross. I agree that golf car trips would seem to be a bit lengthy. But imaginations can go wild. Another town south off the Turnpike? It started with one up here.

[ColdNoMore]

There is already a bridge just south of the service area.

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/1307128-post9.html


https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/1307150-post14.html


https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/1307321-post28.html


https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/1307331-post29.html

[DARFAP]

I would think that an area that far south would need to be a stand-alone village with its own town center and amenities.

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[DARFAP]

As long as they keep the amenities in line with the population, who cares? If they start building "village islands" that are not connected to the main campus, don't have significant amenities, and have the right to use main campus amenities, things could get interesting.
If that happens, I'm out. Don't need any more over saturation of amenities.

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[pauld315]

I would think that an area that far south would need to be a stand-alone village with its own town center and amenities.

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It will all connect eventually

[kstew43]

I noticed yesterday that about a mile or so around the bailey bridge on the turn pike

There are dirt movers and lots of leveling equipment happening. Out in the middle of no-where....or maybe not...

[ColdNoMore]

I noticed yesterday that about a mile or so around the bailey bridge on the turn pike

There are dirt movers and lots of leveling equipment happening. Out in the middle of no-where....or maybe not...

I think that's the pipeline, that is paralleling part of the turnpike.

[kstew43]

I think that's the pipeline, that is paralleling part of the turnpike.

it was actually on the other side....north?

The pipeline dirt road has been finished off the turnpike in that area, I think? I didn't see the flags and poles.

[champion6]

I noticed yesterday that about a mile or so around the bailey bridge on the turn pike

There are dirt movers and lots of leveling equipment happening. Out in the middle of no-where....or maybe not...I can tell you the WHAT, but I don't know the WHY.

In September 2016 TV received permission for a 297 acre mass grading project. This is part of the 2,300+ acre parcel that TV purchased.

Plan attached.

[ColdNoMore]

I can tell the WHAT, but I don't know the WHY.

In September 2016 TV received permission for a 297 acre mass grading project. This part of the 2,300+ acre parcel that TV purchased.

Plan attached.

Interesting.

Given that it is a fair ways away from the Bailey Trail bridge and that it is not contiguous with anything else of note currently existing in that area...it will be interesting to see what it is intended to be.

Maybe some multifamily and lower rent housing, for those people/families working for The Villages and surrounding businesses?

That would make sense, given that being right next to the Turnpike....is not exactly an ideal location for the typical TV home. :shrug:

Thanks for the link. :thumbup: