If you voted for Obama............

[Guest]

If you voted for Obama, you now realize that you made a horrendous mistake..
...or, you don't.

How say you?

[Guest]

Obama is the only one with enough GUTS to take on this dreadful economy....atleast he is being upfront about what he is doing, what he is planning on doing and what he hopes is a good outcome. NO one can see the future...as much as they try!

Please tell us what you would do differently.

What choice does he have...
keep in mind that he is not alone. He has a full team of advisors....I can't imagine that everyone of them is wrong as well.....I know that was the case when Pres. Bush was in office but times are changing and we are in need of change!

i voted for him...I am not sorry...I am STILL proud!!

This country is a mess....I thank God everyday that I have a job to go to...that I have a pay check coming in....that I have a home and car and food to eat.

Sometimes money needs to be spent in order to make some back...just like any other business.

[Guest]

If you voted for Obama, you now realize that you made a horrendous mistake..
...or, you don't.

How say you?



hard to erase 8 years of the village idiot and his ilk in a few days


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[Guest]

Obama is the only one with enough GUTS to take on this dreadful economy....atleast he is being upfront about what he is doing, what he is planning on doing and what he hopes is a good outcome. NO one can see the future...as much as they try!

Please tell us what you would do differently.

What choice does he have...
keep in mind that he is not alone. He has a full team of advisors....I can't imagine that everyone of them is wrong as well.....I know that was the case when Pres. Bush was in office but times are changing and we are in need of change!

i voted for him...I am not sorry...I am STILL proud!!

This country is a mess....I thank God everyday that I have a job to go to...that I have a pay check coming in....that I have a home and car and food to eat.

Sometimes money needs to be spent in order to make some back...just like any other business.

Obama is a communist. He is in the process of taking over the means of production in Americas largest industry.

Obama has taken over Banks and plans to dictate what people may earn.

His latest appointment Kao (sp) believes that America has no right to set its own laws. He is an internationalist. He is anti-constitutional.

Obama is not acting as he presented himself.

There are so many things and it is not even 100 days

Yoda

[Guest]

I'm glad I voted for him - I gave up this political thread for the most part because there are so many naysayers everyday just trashing him. I would hate to spend every day looking for the bad and trying to convince everyone else to do that also.

[Guest]

Obama is a communist. He is in the process of taking over the means of production in Americas largest industry.

Obama has taken over Banks and plans to dictate what people may earn.

His latest appointment Kao (sp) believes that America has no right to set its own laws. He is an internationalist. He is anti-constitutional.

Obama is not acting as he presented himself.

There are so many things and it is not even 100 days

Yoda


The Force is usually behind you, but you might have trickled to Dark Side. Use the Force Yoda.

I voted for him, and I can say I am questioning some things. but He is not the one that got us here, his actions are not the reason we are here, his plans are not the reason we are here, his appointee's are not the reason we are here,, his wife digging a garden in the white house lawn sure dont have nothing to do with it. Again some things are questionable, but I think he is making an affort. You step into office of the president and take over the mess he had and tell me you have the answers?????????????



MONEY OUT.. :beer3:

[Guest]

Obama is a communist. He is in the process of taking over the means of production in Americas largest industry.

Obama has taken over Banks and plans to dictate what people may earn.

His latest appointment Kao (sp) believes that America has no right to set its own laws. He is an internationalist. He is anti-constitutional.

Obama is not acting as he presented himself.

There are so many things and it is not even 100 days

Yoda

First let me say that I voted twice for Bush. You have pointed out several things that you feel Obama has messed up in his first 100 days.

I would like to know what are the 5 best things that Bush did in his 8 years in office.

[Guest]

I'm liking this! I've avoided this forum and have considered it largely to be a black hole of negativity. I may tune in now and then as it seems that we may have found our voice.

Mitch:2excited:

[Guest]

I guess if you support

Government takeover of private business.
Socialized healthcare.
Ten trillion dollar national debt and climbing <This is all Obama's>
Runaway government spending.
Tax increases you can’t even imagine yet.
Violating our Constitution at every turn.
Giving up US Sovereignty to the UN.
Penalizing success and rewarding failure as our new path to success.

Then Obama is your man.

[Guest]

:agree: Well said, DK

[Guest]

I find it fascinating that Obama supporters only ever point out the fact that at least he’s doing something. It doesn’t matter to them what, how or what the consequences will be, just as long as he’s doing something…anything.

They rarely dive deeper than none of this was his fault and at least he’s doing something.

I also find it interesting that Obama supporters find comfort in blaming Bush for everything which they think in turn gives Obama a blank check to do anything he damn well pleases including totally overstepping his Constitutional limitations as President.

GW certainly had his faults but most agree that Freddie and Fannie were the trigger that started this cave in. Guess what? That ain’t GW my TOTV friends. That mess is squarely at the feet of the democrat controlled congress in power for the last two years of his administration. A congress with the worst approval rating in history that continues today.

You can use Bush as a scapegoat until the cows come home but this is now Obama’s and the democrats economy and they have their finger prints all over it. The blood is going to be on their hands.

[Guest]

I votes for Obama and I'm extremely proud of it. I'm very pleased with the job he's doing. God has truly blessed America. I can't imagine where we would be right now if the McCain/Palin Comedy team had followed the Bush disaster.

I don't blame Bush for all of this, this goes way back to the Republican God -- Reagan. His "trickle down" theory never trickled and started this fiasco an it snowballed.

And DK, you can whine until the cows come home, you've got 8 years of Obama, so you'd better grab your guns and your bible and hide under the bed.
Just a thought. :eek:

And Yoda! You're comments are too ridiculous to even address. Your Force has fizzled!

[Guest]

I have my guns and my Bible but I can assure you I won't be hiding under my bed with them. Obama took an oath to protect and defend the Constitution and it's obvious he cares little about it as he steps all over it every day. Apparently you're ok with that and even proud of it. Hurray for you.

BTW, Presidents are elected every 4 years, not 8. We'll see.

[Guest]

Once more thing about trickledown economics.

Capitalism, freedom and individual liberty was created by scoundrels such as the likes of George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Alexander Hamilton, James Madison and many others via our founding documents. They understood the concept, reason and need for limited government, separation of powers, individual freedom and capitalism. It’s not a new concept and it didn’t start with Reagan… but it may end with Obama.

[Guest]

I have my guns and my Bible but I can assure you I won't be hiding under my bed with them. Obama took an oath to protect and defend the Constitution and it's obvious he cares little about it as he steps all over it every day. Apparently you're ok with that and even proud of it. Hurray for you.

BTW, Presidents are elected every 4 years, not 8. We'll see.

BTW, I know that, but get ready for 8! YEAH!

[Guest]

Once more thing about trickledown economics.

Capitalism, freedom and individual liberty was created by scoundrels such as the likes of George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Alexander Hamilton, James Madison and many others via our founding documents. They understood the concept, reason and need for limited government, separation of powers, individual freedom and capitalism. It’s not a new concept and it didn’t start with Reagan… but it may end with Obama.

Good to know the founding fathers "created" freedom and individual liberty. I guess they just forgot to tell their slaves.

[Guest]

I get a solid impression from reading the pro Obama posts that those who voted for Obama had no idea who or what he was and have not bothered to check what he is doing with their vote.

God save America. Obama rule will end in the 2010 elections.

Yoda

[Guest]

God save America. Obama rule will end in the 2010 elections.
Yoda

Unless the GOP makes some changes, 2010 may very well be the end of the Republican Party. April Fool budget press conferences ain't gonna cut it.

[Guest]

First let me say that I voted twice for Bush. You have pointed out several things that you feel Obama has messed up in his first 100 days.

I would like to know what are the 5 best things that Bush did in his 8 years in office.

Ok the question was to hard so lets lower the bar. Let me know the 4 best things that Bush did in his 8 years in office. Come on guys that only 1 thing every other year. I know you can do it!

[Guest]

Here are 5 worth commendation... Although I didn't write these, I agree with them... but you asked... the following was written by Allen C. Guelzo, National Post - Published: Friday, November 21, 2008

1. The war in Iraq

There are two key facts to remember about the invasion of Iraq. First, al-Qaeda feeds on the carcasses of failed states (witness Afghanistan and Somalia). Second, the Hussein regime was, after the Gulf War and a decade of economic sanctions, sliding unavoidably into a political abyss. The only question was, who would get there first to fill the coming vacuum - al-Qaeda, the Iranian mullahs, or the United States. And unlike Somalia or Afghanistan, Iraq had real stakes to put into play in the form of the world's second-largest oil reserves. Imagine Osama bin Laden as an oil sheikh, or Mahmoud Ahmadinejad cornering the world oil market, and you'll see why the Iraq invasion was a geo-strategic victory for the West.


2. ‘Axis of Evil' speech

How novel, how refreshing, that the chief officer of a Western democracy was willing to use the word evil about evil people, instead of the conventional moral stammering which has afflicted the West over the last century. Here is a home truth Bush recognized and acted upon: The stamina required to confront evil will never materialize unless there is a willingness to use the word itself.


3. Faith-based initiatives

For once, an American president has recognized the vast social capital which is cached within American religious organizations, and tapped it. While this has enraged the separation-of-church-and-state dogmatists, the real source of that rage is the notion that state institutions (whose largesse produces serfdom) do a worse job of deploying that capital than non-state institutions (whose generosity, because it is voluntary, enhances freedom).


4. Blunting the metastasis of abortion

Like Dostoyevsky's Raskolnikov, one act of killing requires more acts of killing to legitimize itself. This has been the real agenda behind the enigmatic enthusiasm for stem-cell research and the furious criticism of bans on late-term, or "partial-birth," abortion. It was an act of singular political courage for Bush to see this agenda for what it was, expose it publicly for what it is, and obstruct it for as long as he has.


5. Balancing the bench

The federal judiciary, as the least-well-defined creation of the American Constitution, has lent itself all-too-willingly to the agenda of the American Left. Seeing that the judicial game could be played by two, George W. Bush concentrated on nominating - and steering to confirmation - a hefty phalanx of judges pledged to the utterly novel strategy of letting the Constitution alone. Bush did not get as many of his appointees confirmed as Bill Clinton, who made 65 appointments to Bush's 61. But Bush's are younger and will be around longer, and represent majorities of the sitting judges on 10 out of the 13 federal circuit courts.


(Allen C. Guelzo is a professor at Gettysburg College, Pa., and author of Abraham Lincoln: Redeemer President and Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation: The End of Slavery in America.)

[Guest]

I get a solid impression from reading the pro Obama posts that those who voted for Obama had no idea who or what he was and have not bothered to check what he is doing with their vote.

God save America. Obama rule will end in the 2010 elections.

Yoda


This comment

"had no idea who or what he was and have not bothered to check what he is doing with their vote."

is the basis for all folks have been saying for months and months on here and still is the case.

Things that are not making much of the MSM (Main stream Media) are just small leaks...example banks and others are beginning to give back stimulus and TARP money as they realize the "small print" that goes with it. The "stimulus" bill had over EIGHT THOUSAND EARMARKS in it with small items that give the Govt more control in the future......

These kind of things will begin to make more news as time goes on...President Obama IN HIS MEMOIRS trashed the private sector..expressed his desire for larger government...encouraged the RICH VERSUS POOR thus what would you expect in his presidency !

[Guest]

Here are 5 worth commendation... Although I didn't write these, I agree with them... but you asked... the following was written by Allen C. Guelzo, National Post - Published: Friday, November 21, 2008

1. The war in Iraq

There are two key facts to remember about the invasion of Iraq. First, al-Qaeda feeds on the carcasses of failed states (witness Afghanistan and Somalia). Second, the Hussein regime was, after the Gulf War and a decade of economic sanctions, sliding unavoidably into a political abyss. The only question was, who would get there first to fill the coming vacuum - al-Qaeda, the Iranian mullahs, or the United States. And unlike Somalia or Afghanistan, Iraq had real stakes to put into play in the form of the world's second-largest oil reserves. Imagine Osama bin Laden as an oil sheikh, or Mahmoud Ahmadinejad cornering the world oil market, and you'll see why the Iraq invasion was a geo-strategic victory for the West.


2. ‘Axis of Evil' speech

How novel, how refreshing, that the chief officer of a Western democracy was willing to use the word evil about evil people, instead of the conventional moral stammering which has afflicted the West over the last century. Here is a home truth Bush recognized and acted upon: The stamina required to confront evil will never materialize unless there is a willingness to use the word itself.


3. Faith-based initiatives

For once, an American president has recognized the vast social capital which is cached within American religious organizations, and tapped it. While this has enraged the separation-of-church-and-state dogmatists, the real source of that rage is the notion that state institutions (whose largesse produces serfdom) do a worse job of deploying that capital than non-state institutions (whose generosity, because it is voluntary, enhances freedom).


4. Blunting the metastasis of abortion

Like Dostoyevsky's Raskolnikov, one act of killing requires more acts of killing to legitimize itself. This has been the real agenda behind the enigmatic enthusiasm for stem-cell research and the furious criticism of bans on late-term, or "partial-birth," abortion. It was an act of singular political courage for Bush to see this agenda for what it was, expose it publicly for what it is, and obstruct it for as long as he has.


5. Balancing the bench

The federal judiciary, as the least-well-defined creation of the American Constitution, has lent itself all-too-willingly to the agenda of the American Left. Seeing that the judicial game could be played by two, George W. Bush concentrated on nominating - and steering to confirmation - a hefty phalanx of judges pledged to the utterly novel strategy of letting the Constitution alone. Bush did not get as many of his appointees confirmed as Bill Clinton, who made 65 appointments to Bush's 61. But Bush's are younger and will be around longer, and represent majorities of the sitting judges on 10 out of the 13 federal circuit courts.


(Allen C. Guelzo is a professor at Gettysburg College, Pa., and author of Abraham Lincoln: Redeemer President and Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation: The End of Slavery in America.)

Thank you for replying to my question. I have asked this of many people who are bashing either party Republican or Democrat. I also have asked the same of the Clinton years and my liberal friends very few can come up with any.

I seldom get any answer as more people find it easier to throw rocks as one party or the other than to stand up and say my guy is good because he has done this or that.

I thank you again for your reply as you are the only one so far who has given any thoughts. I am an on the fence guy who recently can't get to excited abut either party. I wish I could.

[Guest]

I am not concerned what the best 5 things were that bush did nor do I contemplate the 5 best things that George Washington did. I am concerned about the socialist and Marxist things that Obama is doing and more so that his supporters seem to be either oblivious to it or have no idea what it means. Obama was elected by a small margin of the popular vote. He was not given a mandate to fundamentally change our country or to usurp our constitution. I for one expect to hand on to my grand children the great nation and the opportunities that It provided to me. (That I had to work my azz off to collect)

Obama does not have the same view of this country as most of its citizens do. Just because he won the vote, does not mean that he can try to destroy the greatest nation on the earth. The most prosperous nation. The Freest Nation. The path that he has chosen will surly destroy this nation.

If he hates what America is so much and thinks we are so flawed, why run for president except to destroy it.

What 5 dastardly Unconstitutional things will Obama do next?

Yoda

[Guest]

I am not concerned what the best 5 things were that bush did nor do I contemplate the 5 best things that George Washington did. I am concerned about the socialist and Marxist things that Obama is doing and more so that his supporters seem to be either oblivious to it or have no idea what it means. Obama was elected by a small margin of the popular vote. He was not given a mandate to fundamentally change our country or to usurp our constitution. I for one expect to hand on to my grand children the great nation and the opportunities that It provided to me. (That I had to work my azz off to collect)

Obama does not have the same view of this country as most of its citizens do. Just because he won the vote, does not mean that he can try to destroy the greatest nation on the earth. The most prosperous nation. The Freest Nation. The path that he has chosen will surly destroy this nation.

If he hates what America is so much and thinks we are so flawed, why run for president except to destroy it.

What 5 dastardly Unconstitutional things will Obama do next?

Yoda

Spoken like a true rock thrower from the cheap seats.

You as stated have no clue what I assume is your guy did that was good for this country. I assume you voted for Bush (as I did) but did you vote for George Washington? By the way when I write the name Bush I use a capital B. You state that you worked your azz off. Well so did many of us as well as spend time in the military and I did both and still don't think I know everything.

I seldom get into a political debate because of people who only can point out what is wrong with one party or another.

I for one hope that our current administration is succesful we all need this. Even the rock throwers from the cheap seats.

This is still a great Country!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Guest]

yoda just hand operated on still can't write but can type a little so I wont be giving a counter reply. If you really think that Obama is all you said he was,you really have to go either back to your own planet or seek help from luke skywalker ,darth vader alias george bush is a bad man a very bad man. may the force be with you,and remember you are loved by all of us that don't agree with you.:beer3:

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Spoken like a true rock thrower from the cheap seats.

You as stated have no clue what I assume is your guy did that was good for this country. I assume you voted for Bush (as I did) but did you vote for George Washington? By the way when I write the name Bush I use a capital B. You state that you worked your azz off. Well so did many of us as well as spend time in the military and I did both and still don't think I know everything.

I seldom get into a political debate because of people who only can point out what is wrong with one party or another.

I for one hope that our current administration is succesful we all need this. Even the rock throwers from the cheap seats.

This is still a great Country!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am not sure the hang up with Bush !!!!

You are making LARGE LEAPS AND ASSUMPTIONS about those who feel that President Obama is dangerous.

I voted for Bush...yep sure did. I also know all the things he did wrong and for those of you who find the posts on here to be negative I am assuming the attacks during the last administration were in your opinion positive !!

Point is...and I personally along with others have been pretty consistent with this message but I can only speak for myself......

I began to post and talk about President Obama BEFORE he was the candidate. While many of his supporters on here at present were calling him an "empty suit" and other things as they supported Clinton I was saying what I say now....

I investigated this man's background in detail as others did, but the MSM (Main street Media) fell in love with him and thus WANTED BADLY for him to win...THAT along with the disgust for Bush.

If you read his books (who has TWO autobiographies at his age) he does not care for the public sector at all....he is in total support of BIG government...his career as a organizer was all based on the RICH VERSUS POOR.

If you read what he did, he was an agitator where he honed his skills at the Saul Alinsky school of radical behavior. He admits that he studied and became an expert at the Alinsky school and actually continues to use them as President.

His entire life...his entire career has been one of preaching about the rich versus poor and of socialist ideas.....I challenge you to read his autobiographies, about who he admired, what he did and tell me that there is any other direction than socialism that he could take.

Now, with all that....and I NEVER once attacked him personally...only his idealogy...I said on a few occassions that he is a very charismatic guy with great oratory skills and while I find his ideaology to be totally at odds with mine he may have a future, BUT COMBINING HIM AS PRESIDENT WITH THE CURRENT CONGRESSIONAL LEADERSHIP IS LETHAL !!!!!

I AND 61 MILLION other americans did not want him as president....from my perspective I didnt want McCain either but that would allow us some balance for this nutso congress !!!

You can call me a rock thrower from the cheap seats....you can call me anything you want...I DID MY RESEARCH AND YOU ARE HEARING MY OPINION.

I am not sure how bashing Bush or asking what he did during his two terms shows your support for the current President. Seems to me that if you supported him you would be on here telling folks WHY you support him...what you think he is doing that is good for the country in your opinion and why !

[Guest]

I like President Obama's openness, his willingness to make tough decisions, the respect that he has from the rest of the world, his ability to explain complex situations to the public, and the fact that for the most part he seems to be doing exactly what he said he would do during his campaign. I liked his campaign platform at the time; I voted for him; and so far at least, I'm glad I did.

I embrace his strategy for resolving the economic crisis. Whether every part of the plan will work remains to be seen. I doubt everything will work. But I am convinced of one thing--doing nothing and hoping that free market economics will work out the problem would be a disaster and far more expensive than the plan being executed. I spent my entire working career working in both of the two industries that are the most newsworthy in this crisis, so I probably know a little bit more about both than the average American. Having said that, I agree with the actions being taken by the new administration.

I agree with the Obama tax policy. If anything, I believe that the wealthiest Americans should pay even more in taxes. That would include me.

I agree with the legislation he asked for to address our health care system and our horrendous system of public education. Having almost a quarter of Americans with no healthcare insurance and our kids ranked lower than 25th in the world by standardized test scores are almost criminal failures by those involved in the prior governance of the U.S.

I agree with the significant changes in government regulations being proposed. The purposeful erosion of both the regulatory agencies and the regulations themselves have gotten us into the problems we're experiencing. Free market economics and laissez faire governance have failed us. A different approach is required.

I don't like the inattention to fiscal restraint that I've seen so far, but I remain hopeful that once the economic crisis begins to show signs of resolution, that fiscal policy will rise to a level of greater attention.

Having said all this, am I convinced that I will vote for President Obama's re-election? I'm not sure. I've embraced the idea that there is little wrong with single terms for all federal elected officials, both executive and legislative. But it depends on who runs against him and what their campaign platform reveals.

I'm sure none of this surprises you, Bucco. But you asked, and I answered.

[Guest]

People take this very personally. It's my guy against your guy, my party against your party.

What get's lost in some peoples blind defense is policy, beliefs and outcomes. None of that matters to some, they will defend their guy to the bitter end and it doesn't matter one bit what their policies are.

Bill Clinton was committing adultery with an employee in the oval office, lied about it under oath and none of his supporters cared one single bit about it and even defended his actions saying it was nobody's business. Under the same circumstances do you think those same people would have come to Bush's defense? Yeah right.

I don't give a crap about Obama or Bush personally. I care about what they do. Bush had plenty of screw ups and plenty I didn't like about him.

Obama's policies are radical, irresponsible, destructive and have never worked. It's been tried many times. There is nothing new here. It's socialism by the book.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know you can't spend your way out of debt or a recession and taking over public companies, banks, firing CEO's, capping salaries and more is so far beyond Constitutional limits of government it's beyond belief.

But it's my guy and I don't care.

[Guest]

I agree with the Obama tax policy. If anything, I believe that the wealthiest Americans should pay even more in taxes. That would include me.

Sounds good in theory but the rich already pay the majority of the bills. The other problem is, it's not just the rich.

The poor and middle class are going to get hit hard and I mean really hard with new taxes and regulations.

When he let's the Bush tax cut expire every one of us including me (not rich) is going to get hit.

Obama's cap and trade? Economists say it could add $3000 a year to the average persons total energy bills. That's each and every one of us including the poor and that's only the beginning.

All these trillions of dollars being printed are going to come from somewhere and it isn't going to all come from the "rich."

Add in health care and a zillion other new programs and where do you think all the money is going to come from?

Punish the producers, reward non producers. That's Obama's red white and blue.

[Guest]

hard to erase 8 years of the village idiot and his ilk in a few days
I'm glad I voted for him - I gave up this political thread for the most part because there are so many naysayers everyday just trashing him. I would hate to spend every day looking for the bad and trying to convince everyone else to do that also.


I find it facinating that these two posts are in the same thread. I am shocked that the Obama supportors are upset at all of the "naysayers" discussing the current President. This is after nearly eight years of constent Bush-bashing. See "the village idiot and his ilk" comment. These are comments of a personal nature, not a disagreement over policy. For example, it would be unfair for me to ask if President Obama has appointed anyone who actually fully paid their taxes. I wouldn't do that.

[Guest]

I like President Obama's openness, his willingness to make tough decisions, the respect that he has from the rest of the world, his ability to explain complex situations to the public, and the fact that for the most part he seems to be doing exactly what he said he would do during his campaign. I liked his campaign platform at the time; I voted for him; and so far at least, I'm glad I did.

I embrace his strategy for resolving the economic crisis. Whether every part of the plan will work remains to be seen. I doubt everything will work. But I am convinced of one thing--doing nothing and hoping that free market economics will work out the problem would be a disaster and far more expensive than the plan being executed. I spent my entire working career working in both of the two industries that are the most newsworthy in this crisis, so I probably know a little bit more about both than the average American. Having said that, I agree with the actions being taken by the new administration.

I agree with the Obama tax policy. If anything, I believe that the wealthiest Americans should pay even more in taxes. That would include me.

I agree with the legislation he asked for to address our health care system and our horrendous system of public education. Having almost a quarter of Americans with no healthcare insurance and our kids ranked lower than 25th in the world by standardized test scores are almost criminal failures by those involved in the prior governance of the U.S.

I agree with the significant changes in government regulations being proposed. The purposeful erosion of both the regulatory agencies and the regulations themselves have gotten us into the problems we're experiencing. Free market economics and laissez faire governance have failed us. A different approach is required.

I don't like the inattention to fiscal restraint that I've seen so far, but I remain hopeful that once the economic crisis begins to show signs of resolution, that fiscal policy will rise to a level of greater attention.

Having said all this, am I convinced that I will vote for President Obama's re-election? I'm not sure. I've embraced the idea that there is little wrong with single terms for all federal elected officials, both executive and legislative. But it depends on who runs against him and what their campaign platform reveals.

I'm sure none of this surprises you, Bucco. But you asked, and I answered.

Not surprised and MY QUESTION WAS SURELY NOT AIMED AT YOU....

I was not even going to post in this thread but these folks who come in here and have NOTHING to say except they support President Obama but have no reasons as to why are amazing.

You at least have opinions on the issues and maybe I disagree or agree but it is not simply saying...hey, I like him and you are being negative for disagreeing with him !!

I invite those who say they do not post in here because it is negative to come in and state your case...tell us WHY you support the stimulus bill....WHY you support his budget....WHY, WHY !

It is not fair to anyone who posts in here, WHETHER THEY SUPPORT THE PRESIDENT OR NOT, to say this is a bad place NOT EVERYONE AGREES, thankfully....

Dont criticize folks for discussing what is going on or call them negative. READ, LEARN and post in here WHY you feel the way you do.

VK and I disagree a lot....BUT I have learned from him and because of his posts I have done research on issues.

If you dont care, or dont want to learn what is happening and have no opinion other than one of... those who dont agree with you are negagive, then I suppose it is best you stay out of here...BUT dont criticize folks for discussing issues. Most times it never gets personal and I, although perhaps a bit slower, have learned quite a bit on here !!!

[Guest]

Kahuna,

You and I need to talk. Given you are so willing to kick in extra tax money for the cause, can you help pick up some of my tax burden for this year? I'm far from rich and I could really use some breathing room.

I'm serious, you have it to spend and I don't.

[Guest]

If you voted for Obama, you now realize that you made a horrendous mistake..
...or, you don't.

How say you?

The American Voters have expressed their desires and wishes.
Stop listening to Glenn Beck - Rush Limbaugh - Bill O'Reilly - Ann Coulter - Sean Hannady and the rest. Get with the majority and do your part to help.

[Guest]

The American Voters have expressed their desires and wishes.
Stop listening to Glenn Beck - Rush Limbaugh - Bill O'Reilly - Ann Coulter - Sean Hannady and the rest. Get with the majority and do your part to help.


61 MILLION did not vote for President Obama....SIXTY ONE MILLION !!

But that is not the point....

Please share how we can do our part ??????

PS: I, personally, dont listen to any of those folks...will admit to catching a bit of Beck though.....I also dont listen to Olberman, Maddow, Michael Moore !!
BUT will be waiting to hear how we can do our part !!!

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Spoken like a true rock thrower from the cheap seats.

You as stated have no clue what I assume is your guy did that was good for this country. I assume you voted for Bush (as I did) but did you vote for George Washington? By the way when I write the name Bush I use a capital B. You state that you worked your azz off. Well so did many of us as well as spend time in the military and I did both and still don't think I know everything.

I seldom get into a political debate because of people who only can point out what is wrong with one party or another.

I for one hope that our current administration is succesful we all need this. Even the rock throwers from the cheap seats.

This is still a great Country!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I guess that the lack of a capital B is important to you. Thank you for spell checking for me. You never mentioned much of what I said .

Thank you for your service. I served also.

I resent you referring to my seat as cheap. You wouldn't think so if you saw my tax bill.

I support President Obama. He is my President. I do not support his wrong headed attempts at bankrupting out economy.

I do not support redistribution of income. Or "returning the wealth to its rightful owners.

I do not support is appointment of a tax evader as treasurer.

I do not support his nomination or a radical internationalist to the state department as legal adviser

I do not support his unconstitutional actions.

I do not support him ignoring the supream court by attacking the second amendment, again.

He is the President and I support him in that office.

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yoda just hand operated on still can't write but can type a little so I wont be giving a counter reply. If you really think that Obama is all you said he was,you really have to go either back to your own planet or seek help from luke skywalker ,darth vader alias george bush is a bad man a very bad man. may the force be with you,and remember you are loved by all of us that don't agree with you.:beer3:

Do all liberals just make the attack personal rather than address the issues?

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The American Voters have expressed their desires and wishes.
Stop listening to Glenn Beck - Rush Limbaugh - Bill O'Reilly - Ann Coulter - Sean Hannady and the rest. Get with the majority and do your part to help.

Topper
Perhaps you should start listening to Glen Beck - Rush Limbaugh - Bill - O'Reilly etc. You may realize that you are not the majority and that I am helping, by paying attention.

Yoda

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Do all liberals just make the attack personal rather than address the issues?

Honestly I did not see this as a personal attack. Billy made it very clear that he had apparently just had hand surgery and would not be typing a full reply. He did however try to speak "your language" as Yoda. I saw it as a very nice reply. Perhaps he thinks you are wrong about Obama and hopes that you would give the man, the office, the team a chance....

I don't think Biily2fish has a nasty bone in his body....the heart of gold....he actually extended his love for you in the post. Where is the personal attack? I missed it I guess...

Anyway....we can all agree to disagree...

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Cassie
"If you really think that Obama is all you said he was,you really have to go either back to your own planet"

Is not a personal attack?

Ok.

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I like President Obama's openness, his willingness to make tough decisions, the respect that he has from the rest of the world, his ability to explain complex situations to the public, and the fact that for the most part he seems to be doing exactly what he said he would do during his campaign. I liked his campaign platform at the time; I voted for him; and so far at least, I'm glad I did.

I embrace his strategy for resolving the economic crisis. Whether every part of the plan will work remains to be seen. I doubt everything will work. But I am convinced of one thing--doing nothing and hoping that free market economics will work out the problem would be a disaster and far more expensive than the plan being executed. I spent my entire working career working in both of the two industries that are the most newsworthy in this crisis, so I probably know a little bit more about both than the average American. Having said that, I agree with the actions being taken by the new administration.

I agree with the Obama tax policy. If anything, I believe that the wealthiest Americans should pay even more in taxes. That would include me.

I agree with the legislation he asked for to address our health care system and our horrendous system of public education. Having almost a quarter of Americans with no healthcare insurance and our kids ranked lower than 25th in the world by standardized test scores are almost criminal failures by those involved in the prior governance of the U.S.

I agree with the significant changes in government regulations being proposed. The purposeful erosion of both the regulatory agencies and the regulations themselves have gotten us into the problems we're experiencing. Free market economics and laissez faire governance have failed us. A different approach is required.

I don't like the inattention to fiscal restraint that I've seen so far, but I remain hopeful that once the economic crisis begins to show signs of resolution, that fiscal policy will rise to a level of greater attention.

Having said all this, am I convinced that I will vote for President Obama's re-election? I'm not sure. I've embraced the idea that there is little wrong with single terms for all federal elected officials, both executive and legislative. But it depends on who runs against him and what their campaign platform reveals.

I'm sure none of this surprises you, Bucco. But you asked, and I answered.
The difficulty I have is twofold:

1. The graduated-percentage income tax concept, the death tax and other taxes sculpted by the majority against a minority population which has accomplished the most overall in a capitalistic society is legalized theft. For a society which touts equality among the citizenry as a "truth self evident," that concept seems to end when Jones has worked harder than Smith and has achieved greater wealth along the way. So, seeking higher taxes from a population because that population has earned more is as discriminatory as levying more taxes against a particular ethnic population simply because there are more (or fewer) of them here. So, as you can see, the Obama tax concepts run counter to my beliefs.

2. Rewriting - or claiming to rewrite - the entire Code of Federal Regulations is the ultimate in political smoke-and-mirrors. Regulations simply codify how laws will be administered and enforced, not which ones will or will not be enforced. However, no matter what the regulations say, the trump card is the budget, because unless the requisite funding is in place to implement the regulations as written, the written words are hollow. That's the case now for most regulations, as the funding across-the-board is woefully insufficient to match with the ever-increasing requirements (e.g., laws) of the Congress for any administration to achieve. If the full funding was available, we'd all be broke anyway, because taxes to run government according to all the regulations would strip us naked.

So, what we again have is grandstanding by politicians who know what they sell is smoke, and are betting on the populace to not really know how government actually operates.

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Cassie
"If you really think that Obama is all you said he was,you really have to go either back to your own planet"

Is not a personal attack?

Ok.

I guess I read it differently...just saw him speaking the language of Star Wars...and if he meant it as a personal attack then I apologize....but my guess is that he was just being funny....

Oh well....back to the conversation....


What were those 5 things you liked about Obama?

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I guess I read it differently...just saw him speaking the language of Star Wars...and if he meant it as a personal attack then I apologize....but my guess is that he was just being funny....

Oh well....back to the conversation....


What were those 5 things you liked about Obama?

I dont know that I have 5 things that I like about Obama. Not even 1.

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Kahuna,

You and I need to talk. Given you are so willing to kick in extra tax money for the cause, can you help pick up some of my tax burden for this year? I'm far from rich and I could really use some breathing room.

I'm serious, you have it to spend and I don't.

Nothing like trying to get a hand out. From what I could take on VK"s post is he worked hard and dont mind if he should account for more. Do not believe he said he should, but if he gets it, he understands.
I voted for Obama, but think somethings seem wrong. But he is upfront and I cant remember If he caused all this trama and drama you guys talk about. Oh SNAP, I almost forgot, he just took office not long ago. Had to be a different cat or past cats that got us here.
I was in the Marine Corps when CLinton did his no good deal, couldnt stand him for that due to fellow Marines getting Courts Martialed for the same thing. But the economy was good. That dont let him off the hook, a cigar is a cigar. It took along time for us to get in the boat we are in. I am on the bow of the thing, and it dont say the USS OBAMA on it. It starts out with """"WE THE PEOPLE""""""""""" so there are a whole lot of people that must be deaf, dumb and blind as you guys put it on here about Obama or any President that has been around.
Lets see some one wanted 5 things good about GW. how about 5 things good with any President, then give me the 5 worse things they have done in office. See what kind of list we get.


:shrug:

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yoda that WAS NOT a personal attack repeat not a personal attack. I don't even know you I may this year disagree with you who knows what I may think next year when any one discusses politics on this forum and starts off by calling the president of the US a communist he or she must have a thicker skin than that.Communism is a failed form of government thank God. I may disagree with you but thats my right as an American,a year from now I may agree with you but not the communism or socialist part. Your making my fingers tired now so go to sleep wake up in a year when your 401k or whatever else you have is worth much much more. Obama to the rescue.:crap2:

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I'm not half as concerned with the total amount of dollars my 401k is worth as I am the buying power of those dollars. It does no good for a portfolio to increase 10% if the currency is effectively devalued by 20%.

That's the problem with the printing of $1Trillion or more dollars against the "collateral" of the nation. All that happens is while the collateral remains fixed, the actual value (versus the face value) of the paper dips. This has been happening for decades, but this latest printing-panic is equal to dozens of years of inflation/devaluation in one short year.

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The American Voters have expressed their desires and wishes.
Stop listening to Glenn Beck - Rush Limbaugh - Bill O'Reilly - Ann Coulter - Sean Hannady and the rest. Get with the majority and do your part to help.


I just looked up the ratings in Cable News and the top three are:
1) O'Reilly
2) Hannity
3) Beck

Number 4 is O'Reilly's rebroadcast at 11PM.

And is anyone close to Rush's ratings on the radio? I think not. Someone is listening to these guys.

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If all Americans would only buy a Ford, Chevy or a Chrysler and Congress would have banks lower the mortgage interest rates to 4%....It wouldn't matter if Obama or McCain were President, this country would be ok. Of coarse I voted for McCain and really glad I did! What kind of car are you driving?

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If all Americans would only buy a Ford, Chevy or a Chrysler and Congress would have banks lower the mortgage interest rates to 4%....It wouldn't matter if Obama or McCain were President, this country would be ok. Of coarse I voted for McCain and really glad I did! What kind of car are you driving?
2 Fords in my garage.:thumbup:

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Two Chryslers in mine!!!!!!!

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Two Jeeps in mine... and a John Deere.

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If all Americans would only buy a Ford, Chevy or a Chrysler and Congress would have banks lower the mortgage interest rates to 4%....It wouldn't matter if Obama or McCain were President, this country would be ok. Of coarse I voted for McCain and really glad I did! What kind of car are you driving?

Toyota Camry by choice. I guess if I had to by one of the big 3, wouldnt be freedom of choice, then again if they built good automobiles, more would buy them. I do think my Camry was built in the TMMK. Toyota Motor Manufacturing Plant Kentucky. Believe that is the USA. Come to think of it I have a cousing twice removed that works there. Yes and I belive his dad works there. Matter of fact most of the town works there. Sure glad someone is still working there.

this quote came from the internet on Wikipedia...

"The popularity of the Camry showed spectacularly during the 2008 automotive industry crisis – sales of the Camry by itself exceeded General Motors's entire passenger car sales.[47]"

THis quote off the internet on Ford pick ups.
http://www.ita.doc.gov/td/tradepolicy/nafta_MotorVeh.pdf

The Ford Motor Company uses facilities throughout
North America to produce its heavy-duty Fseries
pickup trucks. The truck engines are produced
in Canada, the transmissions in the United States,
and the trucks themselves in U.S. and Mexican
facilities. Before NAFTA, Mexican tariffs and localcontent
rules restricted the volume of trucks or parts
Ford could export to Mexico. “NAFTA has given
us the opportunity to look at these three countries
as a single market so we can maximize our efficiencies,”
says William P. Kelly, Ford’s director of
international government affairs.


That is not the problem who drives what car. What is your thought on NAFTA???

http://www.libertyparkusafd.org/lp/Hamilton/NAFTA%5CNAFTA%20and%20US.pdf

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The more the merrier.

Ditto on the above post.

The discussion about whether the US builds a good car or not is passe' from years ago. There is more than one of something that is totally acceptable if one looks.

Too many of the gotta haves brands are to show status....which is kind of a phony self gratification.....but to each his/her own......when times are tough and people who are out of a job and scratchin' for survival....they can always try to eat their imports.

BTK:jester:

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Excellent.....billethkid
These so called trans plants in the southern states is just another way for the Japanese to market their products. They give the south a few thousand jobs and reap millions of profit for their (Japanese) economy and give America the few crumbs left over ....make no mistake that ....if the Big 3 (GM, Ford or Chysler) really go down the US we be in really deep dodo we already have lost millions of jobs... Most of us are going to be OK . However, our blue collar kids and their kids will have to go to China, India, Japan for a job as the middle class manufacturing jobs will / are all gone ....Lets take care of them and buy truly American made products. I have had 5 Grand Cherokees and I would put them up against any of the Japanese so called American transplant vehicles. Oh by the way...I was in China two years ago and saw only two Jeeps (both very old) and very very few other AMERICAN cars. Was in South America (Chile) in January of this year and saw even less! There are plenty of jobs over there....please BUY AMERICAN!

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"I have had 5 Grand Cherokees and I would put them up against any of the Japanese so called American transplant vehicles. "

Jeep Grand Cherokee made the "Worst of the Worst" list of cars in the April 09Consumer Reports based upon much worse than average reliability among 1999-2008 models. But what do they know.

And here is a link to an article about Buick sales in China. It's an older article but Buick sells quite well in China. The article also states GM sells more cars overseas than it does in the US.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12801549/

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Here are a few more RECENT facts
2008 Motor Trend Car of the Year: Cadillac CTS
2008 North American Car of the Year: Chevy Malibu
2008 Green Car of the Year: Chevy Tahoe Hybrid
2007 Motor Trend Truck of the Year: Chevy Silverado
2007 North American Truck of the Year: Chevy Silverado
2007 North American Car of the Year: Saturn Aura

Strategic Vision gave the Ford Fusion its Total Quality Award as the best-quality midsize sedan on the American market

Ford Fusion ranked highest among midsize cars in the JD Power APEAL study for 2006

GM has rolled out 83 hydrogen-powered, zero-emission Chevrolet Equinoxes since last fall, and has 17 more to go for its trial run.

GM's next small car will be called the Chevrolet Cruze. The automaker says the little car will deliver between 120 and 140 horsepower, while achieving better than 40mpg

The high-tech, 100 mpg Chevy Volt is expected to hit the market in 2010

JD Power gives Chevrolet highest customer retention rate of all automakers.

Cadillac, Mercury, Buick all score higher in JD Power 2007 initial quality ratings than Toyota, Honda, Subaru, BMW, Mercedes, Porshe, Nissan, the list goes on.

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I agree with everything in your last two posts. No argument from me. My point was the Jeep Grand Cherokee is a terrible car and there are plenty of GM cars in China, even though you didn't see any.

By the way, the new Ford Fusion hybrid is getting exceptional ratings and beats out the Civic hybrid. The Fusion hybrid is made in Mexico.

Enough car nonsense, it's not a car thread.

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I do stand corrected ....I read the link on the poor perfomance of the Jeep.
However, I have obviously very lucky with my Jeeps, as they all have been great vehicles....Maybe they were built on Monday morning and not Friday after Lunch (beer break) breaks LOL.
My main point is we need to buy American so we can get back on our feet.
Quality is going to be a concern for all the auto companies....anytime you have poor sales and layoffs, morale and work perfomance do go way down.
In 2001 Jeep/Chrysler was at it's peak and JD Powers was praising the company.Through mergers and a 60% down sizing of its employees 93000 to 39000 they are paying a heavy price...the "Pride will back" you wait and see.

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Here is something dated last week not three years ago....(which in the auto industry is a lifetime)

Buick unseats Toyota in J.D. Power study
Ford brands take four segment awards
By BRENT SNAVELY • FREE PRESS BUSINESS WRITER • March 19, 2009

General Motors Corp.’s Buick brand tied for first place with Jaguar in a closely watched vehicle dependability study released by J.D. Power and Associates today, while four of Ford Motor Co.’s vehicles had the highest rank in their segment.

GM’s Buick brand tied in a first place ranking with the luxury Jaguar brand, which was also owned by Ford Motor Co. until June 2008, when it was sold to Tata Motors.

The result were revealed as part of J.D. Power’s long-term vehicle dependability study, which was released Thursday and measures problems experienced by the owners of three-year-old cars, or those from the 2006 model year.
Automakers that perform well on J.D. Power’s vehicle dependability study typically gain market share in the future.

While Lexus was dethroned from the top spot, it the brand finished second and Toyota finished third. As a corporation, Toyota Motor Corp. continued to shine with 10 of its vehicles finishing first in J.D. Power’s segment awards.

Ford Motor Co., which has been a strong quality performer in recent years, saw its Mercury and Lincoln brands finish in the top 10. The company’s volume Ford brand, meanwhile, improved to 11th from 14th last year.

Four of Ford’s vehicles also ranked at the top of J.D. Power’s vehicle segment rankings, making Ford second only to Toyota in the segment rankings.

Bennie Fowler, Ford’s group vice president of global quality, said the results provide additional evidence that the processes Ford began to put in place in 2005 are improving quality.

“Its not just us saying it, it’s the customers,” Fowler said.

Chrysler LLC, which has been a poor performer in recent years, showed major improvement.

With 165 problems per vehicle, the Chrysler brand was ranked in 14th place, just ahead of BMW, and had five fewer problems per 100 vehicles than the industry average. Last year, Chrysler ranked 21st

Cant figure it out, If they are so good, why are the not selling like whats the term you use "" TRANSPLANT"""

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I do stand corrected ....I read the link on the poor perfomance of the Jeep.
However, I have obviously very lucky with my Jeeps, as they all have been great vehicles....Maybe they were built on Monday morning and not Friday after Lunch (beer break) breaks LOL.
My main point is we need to buy American so we can get back on our feet.
Quality is going to be a concern for all the auto companies....anytime you have poor sales and layoffs, morale and work perfomance do go way down.
In 2001 Jeep/Chrysler was at it's peak and JD Powers was praising the company.Through mergers and a 60% down sizing of its employees 93000 to 39000 they are paying a heavy price...the "Pride will back" you wait and see.

it may have a Japanese name, but made in the USA. Ford has its parts made in Canada, Mexico, China. So why is the Great Amercian 3 made elsewhere????

But back to the orignal Post. The problems with the Big 3 is not a result of Obama either. Pretty sure another cat got us in that direction.

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Frasca: You hit a home run on your very first post. Keep it up.

:agree::agree::agree:


Wow! I hope there are a lot more folks like you at TV as we are looking to buy shortly! And :agree: wholeheartedly!

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Everything frasca wrote was spot on.

Let's not forget that America was founded based on conservative christian values. That's a fact and cannot be disputed.

America is less than 300 years old. Still a newborn by world standards. Yet in that short time we have become the most prosperous, strong, free and generous country in the world. We didn't get that way from a left wing radical ideology.

It is the liberals who constantly try to rewrite our history and erase it from the memory of our children.

Take one of their favorite terms for instance. Separation of church and state.

Another fabricated lie by the left. Separation of church and state doesn't exist and never has. It was a term coined by the left as a vehicle to remove God from everything they could get their hands on including our public schools.

Show me in our Constitution or any of our founding documents where it talks about separation of church and state?

Back in the day before the libs took over it was just the opposite in our government and public schools. And aren't our schools so much better off today because of it. I don't think I've heard of a shooting in over a week now.

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I agree DK....excellent.
By the way, I love your Icon Picture...it is worth a 1000 words .