Golf Etiquette or Amenity Paid Service

[Cassie325]

When out on the golf course....hitting out of a sand trap....should the golfer rake the sand after themselves or should they expect an ambassador rake after each golfer...as well as put the rake back in place.

Just curious what opinions are of the TOTV members....


I do know that the sand traps are raked by machine every other day...and the ambassadors clean up at the end of their shift...but I am talking about after each time it happens.

[784caroline]

Do you expect Ambassadors to put sand in your divots or to pump up the greens after you land your ball on the green.?? I doubt it and the same would hold true for sand traps. As a courtesy for the follow on players behind you, you are expected to smooth out the sand trap after you hit the best you can.

Better yet you should learn not to land in sand traps!

[Talk Host]

IT is absolutely the responsibility of the player to repair the sand in the bunker. Not even in the most elite country clubs do the rangers do that.

Recently an ambassador told me that a female golfer told him that it was his responsiblilty to repair her sand. She told him he was not doing his job. :shrug:

[donaldlmiller]

I have never known of an ambassador or marshal repairing the traps. THe caddies do it on the tour. The Villages is a wonderful place but having someone repair your sand traps and filling divots is indeed for the best of all Country Clubs. Most people do a pretty good job of raking them but others just don't do it at all. It would be a good idea to give all golfers an instruction sheet on how to repair traps, divots and especially ball marks. Ball marks if not repaired well can really be a problem. For the most part people do a pretty good job of taking care of the courses at The VIllages, now if we could figure out a way to not have as much wind we would indeed be in golf heaven. Enjoy and remember that others will be playing after you.

[dillywho]

When out on the golf course....hitting out of a sand trap....should the golfer rake the sand after themselves or should they expect an ambassador rake after each golfer...as well as put the rake back in place.

Just curious what opinions are of the TOTV members....


I do know that the sand traps are raked by machine every other day...and the ambassadors clean up at the end of their shift...but I am talking about after each time it happens.

repairing ball marks, filling divots are all matters of courtesy. If an ambassador happens to do some of these things, he/she are just being courteous; it is not part of the job. Besides, we can only achieve the pristine courses we all like to play by sharing responsibility for their upkeep as well as being courteous to our fellow players.

[Dirigo]

repairing ball marks, filling divots are all matters of courtesy. If an ambassador happens to do some of these things, he/she are just being courteous; it is not part of the job. Besides, we can only achieve the pristine courses we all like to play by sharing responsibility for their upkeep as well as being courteous to our fellow players.


I agree with dilly.

All golfers should aways strive to fix their own ball mark and at least one other on each green, fill your divot on the fairway and one other as well, and always rake your footprints in the bunker.

Now I realize if you just skulled a sand shot over the green your mind might not be on etiquette, so if you forget once in a while, as we all do, just make up for it by doing all the more on the next hole to make conditions better for the next player.

My regular foursome repairs ball marks while waiting for their turn to putt. Sometimes we fix three apiece on each green. We fill every divot in sight if we are waiting on the tee for the group ahead of us. We pick up wrappers and trash and deposit them in the next waste basket we see. If you will do this, the course will be in better condition for you the next time around.

I picked up trash while playing one of the Havana courses on our LSP last month.

If everyone does just a little it adds up to a lot and makes the golfing experience better for all.

Dirigo

[t fields]

if you would just go to GOOD GOLF SCHOOL you would find out what is expected of you, this is a free class and is well worth your time to go if you don't know what to do, lots of info and very informative

[Bogie Shooter]

When out on the golf course....hitting out of a sand trap....should the golfer rake the sand after themselves or should they expect an ambassador rake after each golfer...as well as put the rake back in place.

Just curious what opinions are of the TOTV members....


I do know that the sand traps are raked by machine every other day...and the ambassadors clean up at the end of their shift...but I am talking about after each time it happens.
Do you play golf?

[Cassie325]

Ok golfers...don't get too mad at ME!! It was just a question!!! I was at work yesterday and one of the ladies at the office made a comment that while she was golfing over the weekend a golf group in front of her made a stink with the ambassador. The golfers said "WE PAY OUR AMENITIES, SO THE AMBASSADORS SHOULD BE DOING IT FOR US"

I am FULLY aware of the etiquette of golf, the good golf school and live with an ambassador.....

I simply wanted to get your opinions....start a new topic....that is what we do here. I guess I should have explained in detail...but now I certainly have your opinions!;):faint:

[livsea2]

The Villages "Good Golf Guide" which was given to me in my packet when I did a lifestyle visit and I am sure is available free to all villagers states,
" Before leaving a bunker, a player should carefully fill up and smooth over all holes and footprints they have made". It also contains instuctions on divot repair and golf etiquette.

[collie1228]

My Dad, God rest his soul, started teaching me golf etiquette when I was about 8 years old. He made it clear that proper etiquette was more important than score. There were several basic, easy to follow rules, most of which were beneficial to the group folowing yours. One, keep up the pace of play; two, replace divots (but in FL were the divots won't grow again, presents a problem); three, fix all ball marks on the green, and; four, always, without exception, rake the sand trap. There were other intructions, like never speak when another player is putting or hitting, etc. But raking the sand was one of the basic rules. He made me aware of the importance of those rules about 50 years ago, and I'm still making darned sure that nobody behind me is ever inconvenience by anything I do. It's not hard, but it makes everyone's experience better. Thanks Dad. Bottom Line: Rake the traps!

[Russ_Boston]

but now I certainly have your opinions!;):faint:

The problem with the question Cassie (and you should know if you know the game as you said) is that there is no room for opinions on the subject.

There can be no 'let's argue the points of each side' here. As a player you rake the sand, fill divots, pick up loose trash, don't make any new trash, keep up the pace of play etc. etc. The good golf guide has most of the answers: http://www.thevillages.com/homes/vls/detail4.asp?vls=206044

I think a better question to debate is: "keep the rakes in the bunker or not?".

I agree with the golf guide that rakes should be in the bunker and can be moved without penalty should the ball come to rest against it. I'd rather be in the bunker than having my ball be held up in the grass on the very edge and be standing one foot in, one foot out.

[cabo35]

Do I have to rake my wife's excusions into sand traps or is she obliged to rake her own sand divots and footprints? Don't tell her I asked.

[graciegirl]

My Dad, God rest his soul, started teaching me golf etiquette when I was about 8 years old. He made it clear that proper etiquette was more important than score. There were several basic, easy to follow rules, most of which were beneficial to the group folowing yours. One, keep up the pace of play; two, replace divots (but in FL were the divots won't grow again, presents a problem); three, fix all ball marks on the green, and; four, always, without exception, rake the sand trap. There were other intructions, like never speak when another player is putting or hitting, etc. But raking the sand was one of the basic rules. He made me aware of the importance of those rules about 50 years ago, and I'm still making darned sure that nobody behind me is ever inconvenience by anything I do. It's not hard, but it makes everyone's experience better. Thanks Dad. Bottom Line: Rake the traps!

Right. Right. Right. And don't walk in my putting line.

I am afraid that those ladies who posed the question were rookies.

[katezbox]

I agree with dilly.

All golfers should aways strive to fix their own ball mark and at least one other on each green, fill your divot on the fairway and one other as well, and always rake your footprints in the bunker.

Now I realize if you just skulled a sand shot over the green your mind might not be on etiquette, so if you forget once in a while, as we all do, just make up for it by doing all the more on the next hole to make conditions better for the next player.

My regular foursome repairs ball marks while waiting for their turn to putt. Sometimes we fix three apiece on each green. We fill every divot in sight if we are waiting on the tee for the group ahead of us. We pick up wrappers and trash and deposit them in the next waste basket we see. If you will do this, the course will be in better condition for you the next time around.

I picked up trash while playing one of the Havana courses on our LSP last month.

If everyone does just a little it adds up to a lot and makes the golfing experience better for all.

Dirigo


Basically - leave the place a little bit better than you found it. :agree:

[RCT]

I have heard about a couple of instances here, that people refused to rake bunkers, even after other players went to an abassador, and the ambassador went and told the people, and they still refused. Then, the ambassador went and got the head pro, or director of golf, they came out and told them to do it, and people still refused, and they were eventually escorted off the course, one time by police, actually, and had playing PRIVELEGES, and yes, it IS a privelege, revoked. It is the players job, yes, of course. Now, when playing at clubs, that have caddies, then it is the caddies job. But, it is ALWAYS the players job to fix ball marks on the green!! These people that think it isn't their job, might as well have the ambassador play their shots for them too!! This subject really ****es me off, actually, so I am going to stop typing!!!

[Cassie325]

Right. Right. Right. And don't walk in my putting line.

I am afraid that those ladies who posed the question were rookies.


THEY WERE MEN!!! 4 MEN...VILLAGE RESIDENTS WHO GAVE 2 AMBASADORS HE** FOR NOT CLEANING UP THEIR MESS!


AGAIN....I know the rules, the etiquette....I just wanted to see if anyone on here would admit to acting in this manor...or believed that this was something included in their amenity fee...


SO...I guess those MEN were amuteurs as GG would call them....the WOMEN were behind them....cleaning up their mess!

[Shirleevee]

Cassie,

I don't even golf and I know the rules. Shame on some!

[Cassie325]

I know Shirl....what some don't understand is...that I AGREE with them! Etiquette is the most important thing....


We are laughing so hard at poor RCT (Ronnie) because we didn't mean to PI## him off...but we understand and empathize/sympathize...

Actually we agreed with everyone on here....apparently it was not TOTV members that were playing with my co-worker. I guess I should have known better....TOTV members are too well behaved for such nonsense!

[chuckster]

Sorry but think you contrived the entire episode.....can't imagine this scenario being realistic whether men or women as the foursome. One maybe two but not all four being ***es and displaying such behaviour. In all my years of golfing experiences never and I say never have I experienced what you described. I must have led a sheltered bogey free life.

[graciegirl]

36 years of golf for me and many years I played five days a week, all over the U.S. Even a few rounds abroad. Never, ever heard of behavior like that.

[OutsiderWithInterest]

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[Cassie325]

Sorry but think you contrived the entire episode.....can't imagine this scenario being realistic whether men or women as the foursome. One maybe two but not all four being ***es and displaying such behaviour. In all my years of golfing experiences never and I say never have I experienced what you described. I must have led a sheltered bogey free life.

Well sorry you think that...but I would bet a million dollars that it is true...in fact it happens more than you know. The other day someone from the GMS system asked if it was spelled out under the amenities description so they would have it to hand out to golfers. While everyone on TOTV might know the answers....not everyone in TV's does. This is a true story and there are many similar ones to be heard.

You would be amazed at the stories we here....

This was not a thread to get everyone into an argument. If I wanted that I would have gone back into Political with my debating friends!! LOL

Apparently the blood gets just as boiled when it comes to golf! :swear:
:beer3:


Back to political for me....seems safer!:oops:

[billethkid]

are not just for the political forum....it happens in or on all subjects.
Like so many subjects in all our public lives, a quorum winds up expending energy and brain matter on the isolated few VS the MAJORITY. Too many of us have been playing for way too many years without ever bumping into the scenario put forth in this thread.
It does present fodder for debate.
I am all for the 99++% that do it right. There will NEVER be 100% adherence to any rules or behavior. I have a hard time getting too concerned about minority (not race) driven issues.

BTK

[ajdeck]

are not just for the political forum....it happens in or on all subjects.
Like so many subjects in all our public lives, a quorum winds up expending energy and brain matter on the isolated few VS the MAJORITY. Too many of us have been playing for way too many years without ever bumping into the scenario put forth in this thread.
It does present fodder for debate.
I am all for the 99++% that do it right. There will NEVER be 100% adherence to any rules or behavior. I have a hard time getting too concerned about minority (not race) driven issues.

BTK

You can buy a rule book at most any Pro shop which will tell anything you need to know about rules of golf.

[Bogie Shooter]

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Get it all free here:
http://www.usga.org/playing/rules/books/rules.html