Regarding the N. Korea missle launch...2 questions;

[Guest]

What id your opinion about it?

What would you have liked to have seen done differently about it?

My opinion: another wanna be blow hard, developing nation that has no ..regard for human life...including their own people....ego maniac leadership....that are bully like in how they do things. Just like Sadam Hussein....all talk, no substance, wanna be a world player....phonies who rule with terror.

I would have much preferred giving N. Korea a warning....here is what will happen by_ _ ___ if you do not cease and desist. Let them bluster all they want. Full communcation to the locals by what ever means including air dropping leaf lets to let them know when what will happen. When the day and the hour arrives and the missle is still on the pad, use what ever technology or capability is available and wipe it out. The also ran terrorists play the bluff game and the rest of the world stutters in disbelief when they do launch. They win hands down. They bluffed...they won...they now have the additional advantage of the information of a successful launch to work with.
I am all for the Teddy Roosevelt approach of speak softly and carry a big stick and by GOD do not hesititate to use it. One cannot expect to be reasonable with unreasonable people.

Know we wait for the UN to shake their finger and draw up a piece of paper telling what a bad boy they were:1rotfl: the UN:1rotfl:

My vote would have been to make the location of the launch un inhabitable for years to come....now we have nothing but rhetoric and the rest of the world watches as the free world once again does nothing.....sort of like we the people back home!!

BTK

[Guest]

I agree with your answer to both. However you need strong decisive leadership that the rest of the world knows "we say what we mean and mean what we say". We do not have that today in any position of leadership in this country. We have a bunch of liberal do nothings in every significant position today. President, Vice President, House, Senate, and most others. This is time when every minor despot shakes their sword and bluffs their way forward. Happens every time.

[Guest]

I just hope, that as in the past, they are not simply creating a storm in order to negotiate and get some more "gimmies"

However, betting Iran is watching the reaction !!!!

[Guest]

Bucco: Iran was on site at the missile launch. They are looking for transport for their nuclear warheads. This was a test for range. N. Korea has been a proliferator for years. That is only part of the bigger picture. Iran and its radical islamist leadership are looking to wipe Israel and the US off the map. They have said this over and over and I think we should take them at their word.

They know the US is weak now that we have Obama and his ilk in office. If Netanyahu doesn't do something, nobody else will. Unfortunately, Israel is at the tip of the spear as it were.

The things that went down in the G20 summit and came out of our President's mouth should have been enough to convince anyone we are in big trouble world wide. When he continues to badmouth this country as leader of the free world, that is disturbing to me. Think about it -- where can we go? This is the last free bastion. So it's either look the other way and hold out your hands, or fight.

Find a tea party. It's a start. Get active in your local representation. 2010 is not far away.

[Guest]

Technology is like the wind - you can't keep it contained, no matter how hard you try. Give smart people the resources and the time, and sooner or later they'll duplicate everything on their own.

Weaponry always has been evolutionary, and eventually copied. It's one type of technology where no nation has ever paid any attention to patents or other industrial protections.

The missile defense system has always been a whipping boy to the Democrats' defense reduction demands. A North Korean - Iranian alliance on weapons technology only goes to show why continued advancements by the US in defense systems should be a premier aspect in every administration. When the other guy now has something that can hurt you is not the time to start trying to develop a defense to it - the time to start was the day before yesterday!

[Guest]

Let's see these countries have nuclear bombs:

United States(invaded Iraq), Russia(invaded Afghanistan and others), the United Kingdom, France, China(always threatening somebody)
India, Pakistan(not the most stable place), Israel(who knows what they'll do) and North Korea(wacko).

but nobody else can have them? Sounds like the NRA's whine "when guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns".
Sounds like these guys don't want any competition.
Everybody or nobody, preferably the latter, should have these things. Keep the paying field level.

[Guest]

Let's see these countries have nuclear bombs:

United States(invaded Iraq), Russia(invaded Afghanistan and others), the United Kingdom, France, China(always threatening somebody)
India, Pakistan(not the most stable place), Israel(who knows what they'll do) and North Korea(wacko).

but nobody else can have them? Sounds like the NRA's whine "when guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns".
Sounds like these guys don't want any competition.
Everybody or nobody, preferably the latter, should have these things. Keep the paying field level.


Not sure I know a lot about this, thus correct any errors I make....

Seems to me that Reagan and Gorbachev tried this many years ago with no success...

Seems also to me that we have a weak and basically useless UN that is supposed to be where to go with such a proposal.

I am not sure what the relationship is between the invasions or wars you cite and nuclear as none was used by any of them (Most of the parties you mention are part of the non proliferation act)

Your thrust seems to be to keep adding to the list you cite..I assume your point is that those who have them are not to be trusted because they have gone to war...I see it quite differently in that NONE of them, or anyone for that matter, have used them (thankfully).

Not having nuclear weapons is not a new idea for sure but until something is done it would seem prudent to maintain what you have and keep the world from becoming glutted with them, dont you think ?

[Guest]

Let's see these countries have nuclear bombs:

United States(invaded Iraq), Russia(invaded Afghanistan and others), the United Kingdom, France, China(always threatening somebody)
India, Pakistan(not the most stable place), Israel(who knows what they'll do) and North Korea(wacko).

but nobody else can have them? Sounds like the NRA's whine "when guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns".
Sounds like these guys don't want any competition.
Everybody or nobody, preferably the latter, should have these things. Keep the paying field level.

I just cant formulate an answer to your post:shrug: It's , it's just so...... Never mind

Yoda

[Guest]

expect when violating ANYTHING they will go merrily on their way as all on the list(s) above have done. I suppose the only real threat would come from a direct attack on one of the members of the club.
It used to be the super powers kept each other in check by having them.....now anybody with a check book can get the technology.

Diplomacy and the UN both equal useless wasted energy.

If Pearl Harbor were to happen today we would be running around still trying to figure out who to send a note to expressing displeasure at the action.
Hence we have returned to becoming the paper tiger....with no teeth no less!!

BTK

[Guest]

expect when violating ANYTHING they will go merrily on their way as all on the list(s) above have done. I suppose the only real threat would come from a direct attack on one of the members of the club.
It used to be the super powers kept each other in check by having them.....now anybody with a check book can get the technology.

Diplomacy and the UN both equal useless wasted energy.

If Pearl Harbor were to happen today we would be running around still trying to figure out who to send a note to expressing displeasure at the action.
Hence we have returned to becoming the paper tiger....with no teeth no less!!

BTK

BTK: I don't know what the solution is also. I must agree with you that the UN is totally useless. NATO is getting there also. I'm so glad that Obama is cutting our defense spending while throwing our money at all his ill fated programs and the Porkus bill. :cus::cus::cus:

[Guest]

I guess I'm not as panicked about this NK missile issue as others.

NK is already demonstrating that at best they have a 1960's capability (that's 5 decades old technology!), and have bugs (fixable) in that. If NK is going to continue to spin its wheels on this - so what?

There is no threat by NK's action to any of the 50 states, Guam or any of the other Pacific assets.

China is to NK's north, and muzzling NK is their job. Since China has a lot of US investment, China will control NK in spite of it all.

An attack of any kind by NK upon South Korea is total lunacy, as it will do nothing other than decrease the NK population (there's little in infrastructure of value in NK). As the NK leaders would be risking their own lives in such an attack, it is doubtful they would prefer suicide to a life of privilege.

Japan is another story. The ethnic feuding between Japan and Korea involves centuries of dispute, and Japanese WWII atrocities upon Korea still reside in the memories of the seniors there, and have been reinforced on the next generation as well. Japan's concern may be real, but it is Japan's problem - and Japan has the capacity to defend itself in this regard.

So, that leaves Iran and any other rogue customer of NK technology. Iran may seem a little loony, but they are no dummies. Missiles themselves are one technology. Warheads are another. The interface of the two technologies requires a third to make it a weapon system and to control the action - safe/arm device, self-destruct, and a few more pieces - so the weapon system doesn't do more harm to the launcher and all those in travel proximity than it does to the intended target. Those who have also been in the missile business know what a complicated affair (remember, that's "Rocket Science") that missile-based weapon systems are.

The NK launch is a wake-up call. We need to make sure our defense capacity (which has a 5-10 year development and fielding window) takes into consideration the future threat with sufficient time (with a comfort factor) and funding to make whatever NK or other rogue nation attempts is a waste of their resources.

So, cuts in the defense budget - if those cuts involve research, development, test and evaluation (RDTE) and subsequent manufacture, fielding and life cycle management - are dangerous, as they jeopardize the future far worse than the interest on the national debt. It does no good to be the most solvent resident of the cemetery.