Street Name Signs by New Walmart

[N44125]

We were playing Sarasota the other day and noticed that the street name signs by the new Walmart have been installed. The names are all in upper case (capital) letters. I was of the opinion that federal guidelines (law) mandated upper and lower case lettering.

[CWGUY]

We were playing Sarasota the other day and noticed that the street name signs by the new Walmart have been installed. The names are all in upper case (capital) letters. I was of the opinion that federal guidelines (law) mandated upper and lower case lettering.

:confused: What's the thinking on that..... smaller is better? :loco:


https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/so-many-faded-peeling-ugly-street-signs-201420/index3.html?highlight=street+signs
( post 28 and 29 ) all upper case. )

[SALYBOW]

Does it really matter?

[capecoralbill]

Where is Sarasota?

[Bogie Shooter]

Where is Sarasota?

South of Tampa?
Oh, you mean the golf course.............
Starter Building is located on the West Side of the Sarasota Practice Center. Address: 2991 Morse Blvd. Phone: 674-2706

[graciegirl]

This kind of discussion gives us old people a very bad reputation.

We must find something else to talk about.

So very glad my roof is on so far. Thank you God and the roofers employed by the Morses.

There. Talk about that for awhile.

[Bogie Shooter]

Pot stirring on a windy, rainy day.:wave:

[champion6]

We were playing Sarasota the other day and noticed that the street name signs by the new Walmart have been installed. The names are all in upper case (capital) letters. I was of the opinion that federal guidelines (law) mandated upper and lower case lettering.Would you please check the federal law and get back to us?

[Polar Bear]

FWIW, the Federal Highway Administration's Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices (MUTCD) does require upper and lower case letters on street signs.

[ColdNoMore]

We were playing Sarasota the other day and noticed that the street name signs by the new Walmart have been installed. The names are all in upper case (capital) letters. I was of the opinion that federal guidelines (law) mandated upper and lower case lettering.

http://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/SHSe/Design.pdf


Sign lettering is normally uppercase letters except various sections of the Manual on Uniform Traffic that destination names may be in lowercase lettering-with initial uppercase.



FWIW, the Federal Highway Administration's Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices (MUTCD) does require upper and lower case letters on street signs.

Only if it is a destination, like would be seen on an Interstate/Freeway/Turnpike. :shrug:

[CWGUY]

Pot stirring on a windy, rainy day.:wave:

:agree: But have to add - I think they would look better in cursive. :coolsmiley:

[justjim]

I just wish they would position the street signs and street lights where you could read them at night. Finding an unfamiliar street at night is a challenge.

Not the subject but it appears we dodged a hurricane---this time.

[ColdNoMore]

I just wish they would position the street signs and street lights where you could read them at night. Finding an unfamiliar street at night is a challenge.

Not the subject but it appears we dodged a hurricane---this time.

:agree:

[Polar Bear]

...Only if it is a destination, like would be seen on an Interstate/Freeway/Turnpike. :shrug:
Nope. From the MUTCD...

"Q: Can lettering on Street Name signs still be displayed in all upper-case letters?
A: No, lettering for place names and destinations on all guide signs, including Street Name signs, shall be in mixed-case lettering with the first letter in upper-case followed by lower-case letters."

[MikeyBoo54]

Yet again, does it really matter?

As long as they aren't in Cyrillic, they seem to work fine

[capecoralbill]

We were playing Sarasota the other day and noticed that the street name signs by the new Walmart have been installed. The names are all in upper case (capital) letters. I was of the opinion that federal guidelines (law) mandated upper and lower case lettering.

South of Tampa?
Oh, you mean the golf course.............
Starter Building is located on the West Side of the Sarasota Practice Center. Address: 2991 Morse Blvd. Phone: 674-2706

Huh? A NEW Walmart where?

[ColdNoMore]

Nope. From the MUTCD...

"Q: Can lettering on Street Name signs still be displayed in all upper-case letters?
A: No, lettering for place names and destinations on all guide signs, including Street Name signs, shall be in mixed-case lettering with the first letter in upper-case followed by lower-case letters."

Link?

The MUTCD/FWHA link I provided in Post #10...seems to contradict that. :shrug:

[Mallory]

Don't really car the size of the letters but would like to know the names chosen for the streets.

[Bogie Shooter]

Pot stirring on a windy, rainy day.:wave:

:agree: But have to add - I think they would look better in cursive. :coolsmiley:

Sorry, I was directing the pot stirring to my friend Gracie.

[graciegirl]

Sorry, I was directing the pot stirring to my friend Gracie.

THANKS OLD friend! ;)

[Bogie Shooter]

Huh? A NEW Walmart where?

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/plans-walmart-neighborhood-market-210058/?highlight=walmart

[ColdNoMore]

Link?

The MUTCD/FWHA link I provided in Post #10...seems to contradict that. :shrug:

I found your link, but this letter I believe is what allows all capital letters on street name signs.

Interpretation Letter 2-603(I) - FHWA MUTCD (http://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/resources/interpretations/2_603.htm)

The lettering of Street Name signs is addressed in MUTCD Section 2D.38 and it states that on ground-mounted street name signs that are not on multi-lane streets, the letters should be at least 6 inches high where all capital letters are used, or you can use 6 inches upper-case letters with 4.5 inches lower-case letters.

For local roads with speed limits 25 mph or less, there is an option provided that allows the use of 4-inch letter height and words such as Street, Avenue, Road, or NW may be 3-inch letter height. The letter size of ground-mounted street name signs discussed above was originally added to the MUTCD in January 1997.

A 15-year compliance period was provided. This means the compliance date for increasing the letter size of all ground-mounted street name signs on roads that are not on multi-lane streets is January 2012. On multi-lane streets with speed limits greater than 40 mph, the lettering on ground mounted street name signs should be at least 8 inches in all capital letters, or 8 inches upper-case with 6 inches lower-case letters. This change to the MUTCD was adopted in November 2003 with a 15-year compliance period. This means the compliance date for increasing the letter size of all ground-mounted signs on multi-lane streets with speed limits greater than 40 mph is November 2018.

In other words, the way I read it is that either all capitals or just capitalizing the first letter...are both acceptable. :shrug:

Not that it's really that big of a deal though, since I doubt the developer/county have been in violation of the regulations for all these years...by using all capitals.

[JoMar]

Huh? A NEW Walmart where?

You don't live here do you?

[Bob McKeever]

I don't think that Moyer Loop qualifies as a Highway.

[capecoralbill]

You don't live here do you?

Thank you Bogie Shooter for taking the time to update me, I was clueless. Hard to believe the Villages will have three Walmarts and a Sam's but no Whole Foods, or Costco.

[graciegirl]

Thank you Bogie Shooter for taking the time to update me, I was clueless. Hard to believe the Villages will have three Walmarts and a Sam's but no Whole Foods, or Costco.

Allow me to tell you why. It is not because The Villages Commercial Properties hasn't wooed them. It is because "at this time they are happy with their distribution", i.e. It costs THEM a lot to build a store and they do careful research on the demographics, population density and competition.

There is NO conspiracy.

You wouldn't be a Walmart snob would you? They have a lot of good stuff at very reasonable prices.

[capecoralbill]

No, I am not a wallymart snob, quite the opposite, i'm in there almost every day. Wallysnobs are cutting off their nose to spite their face. I've known some of them, they are usually closet Wally shopper anyway.

[graciegirl]

No, I am not a wallymart snob, quite the opposite, i'm in there almost every day. Wallysnobs are cutting off their nose to spite their face. I've known some of them, they are usually closet Wally shopper anyway.

I owe you an apology. Very glad you like Walmart. I am glad we have Publix too. AND Winn-Dixie has an AWESOME chocolate layer cake. We are doin' o.k. here I think.

[MrGolf]

How about having them in upper case, lite up and audio controlled so that you roll down your window, beep your horn within 20 feet of the sign and tells you where you are in 5 different languages? Problem solved

[graciegirl]

How about having them in upper case, lite up and audio controlled so that you roll down your window, beep your horn within 20 feet of the sign and tells you where you are in 5 different languages? Problem solved

Excellent. But we won't have to pay for it will we?:wave::$:

[kcrazorbackfan]

Would you please check the federal law and get back to us?

The Developer "don't need to obey no stinkin Federal Law".

[kcrazorbackfan]

You wouldn't be a Walmart snob would you? They have a lot of good stuff at very reasonable prices.

No, I am not a wallymart snob, quite the opposite, i'm in there almost every day. Wallysnobs are cutting off their nose to spite their face. I've known some of them, they are usually closet Wally shopper anyway.

Are wallysnobs any kin to aldisnobs? :loco: Let's hope so, two new grocery stores on 466a for those of us that are not snobs.......

[rubicon]

I would hope that the federal government does not move to signs being created in cursive because they do not teach cursive in school any longer and our grand kids would get lost anywhere they went.

Perhaps we should replace street names with pictures. I was on Lion making a turn onto Anole when a car coming from Coyote struck me on the right front fender:D

[Doro22]

Speaking of street signs...am I the only one to notice that in the Village of Collier they have a street spelled "Nantuket". Well in MA it is spelled with a "c" between the 'u & the 'k'. I think it makes us seem ignorant.

[jblum315]

I notice that Wildwood has all new street signs. Bright green and easy to see. Wish The Villages would copy

[graciegirl]

I notice that Wildwood has all new street signs. Bright green and easy to see. Wish The Villages would copy

It is tax dollars from new homes (mostly The Villages) funding their new street signs.

I am a fiscal conservative. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. But in politics those kinds of things aren't issues anymore. sigh.

[justjim]

I would hope that the federal government does not move to signs being created in cursive because they do not teach cursive in school any longer and our grand kids would get lost anywhere they went.

Perhaps we should replace street names with pictures. I was on Lion making a turn onto Anole when a car coming from Coyote struck me on the right front fender:D

Grandkids don't need anything but their smart phone.

[graciegirl]

Speaking of street signs...am I the only one to notice that in the Village of Collier they have a street spelled "Nantuket". Well in MA it is spelled with a "c" between the 'u & the 'k'. I think it makes us seem ignorant.

I understand it is pronounced Nan-too-kay.

[rubicon]

If you notice street signs made for TV are all caps because like the Readers Digest we need a senior version:D

Actually signs here are a combination of both All Caps and/or a combination of cap and low case such as San Marino.

[JanBrown]

Actually, upper and lower case is easier to read. My question is why doesn't The Villages post signs on the roads (especially at roundabouts) to show whether you're going north or south? This would be very helpful for all the new villagers and snowbirds. They don't have re-do signs, but just add a little sign below it saying "N" or "North" and "S" or "South".

[graciegirl]

Actually, upper and lower case is easier to read. My question is why doesn't The Villages post signs on the roads (especially at roundabouts) to show whether you're going north or south? This would be very helpful for all the new villagers and snowbirds. They don't have re-do signs, but just add a little sign below it saying "N" or "North" and "S" or "South".

No.

[JoMar]

I second the "no"

[Polar Bear]

And a third.

[Shimpy]

"Q: Can lettering on Street Name signs still be displayed in all upper-case letters?
A: No, lettering for place names and destinations on all guide signs, including Street Name signs, shall be in mixed-case lettering with the first letter in upper-case followed by lower-case letters."

That settles it, I'm putting my house on the market and moving out of here.

[ColdNoMore]

That settles it, I'm putting my house on the market and moving out of here.

No you're not.

Potential buyers won't be able to find the house you're selling...if the street name is in all caps.



:D

[tomwed]

I would be proud to live on AISLE THREE. I do have a problem if I buy a house and next year's price has to be even lower.

[ColdNoMore]

I would be proud to live on AISLE THREE. I do have a problem if I buy a house and next year's price has to be even lower.

Just wait for a BOGO sale.



:D

[golfing eagles]

That settles it, I'm putting my house on the market and moving out of here.

Me too! I refuse to live in a community that can't get CAPITAL and small letters correct on a street sign:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[bgnn54]

Gee all this talk about upper and lower case street signs, must be a slow day at TV

[asianthree]

So back to....is there a building to go with the questionable sign yet

[Polar Bear]

...Only if it is a destination, like would be seen on an Interstate/Freeway/Turnpike. :shrug:

Not so...

Chapter 2D - MUTCD 2009 Edition - FHWA (http://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/htm/2009/part2/part2d.htm)

:shrug:

[ColdNoMore]

Not so...

Chapter 2D - MUTCD 2009 Edition - FHWA (http://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/htm/2009/part2/part2d.htm)

:shrug:

Go back to post #22.

I already found that link and then showed the interpretation letter.

BUT, in the big scheme of things and since the signs in TV have been the way they are for a long time (surely within the law, since the Developer never does anything wrong ;))...it's not worth it to me to keep beating a dead horse. :p