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Tea Party Anyone
Is anyone going to a Tea Party :shrug:
Da Sgt

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Hey Sgt.
We didn't go to the party...However, we did send a tea bag in the mail :coolsmiley:

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Good Very Good
its no time to roll over :rant-rave: :oops:

da Sgt

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Where is the nearest Tea Party on the 15th ? Is there on in Tv's ?

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“Tea Party” in the Villages on April 15th



Where: Lake Mira Mar in Spanish Springs

When: April 15th 12 Noon TAX DAY

Who: Anyone opposed to excessive
taxation and government spending

Bring flags and signs as we join with others throughout
the nation in voicing opposition excessive government spending

Sponsored by Association of Mature American Citizens (AMAC)
For more information call Dan Weber 352 751-3315






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These parties maybe should have been held 8 years ago --- before we had the tremendous national debt http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/

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These parties maybe should have been held 8 years ago --- before we had the tremendous national debt http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/

Good point, Nitehawk. I don't recall a similar outpouring of concern over the billions spent on the war in Iraq which gained us....mmmmm...let's see..the loss of 5,000+ brave American lives. Where was the outrage then?

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:crap2: The Old no more tax day was April 15 now it is May 21 or Change you can :cus:
Da Sgt

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The Party is a go for Noon at the Lake
Remember it is for all even Payed Acorn, non tax groups and the new phone
club or bail out with someone money groups :confused:

Da Sgt

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It's being sponsored by Fox News Channel. You know, "Fair & Balanced, We Report, You Decide!"

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Tea Party? Will there be scones??? And sponsored by Fox News! Hahaha!
:1rotfl: What a joke! You people should have used all that energy to protest the war in Iraq. 4,300 of our brave young men and women would be alive today! :ohdear:

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It's being sponsored by Fox News Channel. You know, "Fair & Balanced, We Report, You Decide!"

Any proof of this? Or are you just spouting lies, half-truths, and innuendos?

You reply, we'll decide.








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Good point, Nitehawk. I don't recall a similar outpouring of concern over the billions spent on the war in Iraq which gained us....mmmmm...let's see..the loss of 5,000+ brave American lives. Where was the outrage then?
Exactly. It's pretty obvious where the debt came from - Thank you Republican President and Congress who took Clinton's surplus and turned it into debt in a hurry. And let's be honest about this "tea party". It's code for Anti Obama/Anti Democratic Party.

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Sounds like a "SORE LOSER PARTY"

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Any proof of this? Or are you just spouting lies, half-truths, and innuendos?
You reply, we'll decide.`

http://firedoglake.com/2009/04/14/fox-news-sponsors-anti-tax-tea-party-e-mail-collection-drive/

Just because FOX is giving free advertising and coverage doesn’t mean they’re funding anything....oh, wait.:o

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The Party is a go for Noon at the Lake
Remember it is for all even Payed Acorn, non tax groups and the new phone
club or bail out with someone money groups :confused:

Da Sgt



Sgt Mac. Unfortunately I'm still up north. I plan on taking off work early and hit the rally in Valparaiso. Hope you guys have a good turnout. :beer3::beer3:

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“Tea Party” in the Villages on April 15th



Where: Lake Mira Mar in Spanish Springs

When: April 15th 12 Noon TAX DAY

Who: Anyone opposed to excessive
taxation and government spending

Bring flags and signs as we join with others throughout
the nation in voicing opposition excessive government spending

Sponsored by Association of Mature American Citizens (AMAC)
For more information call Dan Weber 352 751-3315






`Take some pix's and post please.... tx

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No Not So
Not Fox News nor anyone of "Them"
it is US. . . We da People and if we just let it be then our Grand kids will be paying the bills and taxes and taxes and taxes

Party like it was 1773

Da Sgt

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... So, again I ask, where was your indignation and protests against the war in Iraq???? Puh-lease! Don't forget to pick up your teabags after you! :laugh:
You anti-Obama Republican's should have opted for a "Whine and Cheese" party with sugar-coated sour grapes! You might have fooled more people. Have fun.:icon_bored:

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CHels: You're a piece of work. Make sure you don't suffocate with your head in the sand so long.

YES, going to a tea party today. Obama's tax speech put me off completely. This guy is a menace.

I guess his teleprompter told him to do it !!!! LOL

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This isn't just Republicans. I know many Democrats who are participating, also. For me, it's not just the income taxes. We are taxed to death on everything. We spent the other night in a hotel and there was over $30.00 worth of taxes and fees. Look at your utility, phone and other bills. Check out how much is added for taxes. Compare what oil companies make on a gallon of gas and then look at what the state and federal government make on it. Why will anyone have any incentive to work hard if its all going to Uncle Sam?

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CHels: You're a piece of work. Make sure you don't suffocate with your head in the sand so long.

YES, going to a tea party today. Obama's tax speech put me off completely. This guy is a menace.

I guess his teleprompter told him to do it !!!! LOL

Hahaha! I'M a piece of work! You still haven't answered my question. Why wasn't all of this energy put into protesting the war in Iraq? My guess is that your portfolios are more important than the thousands of lives lost. Very sad indeed. :ohdear:

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Hahaha! I'M a piece of work! You still haven't answered my question. Why wasn't all of this energy put into protesting the war in Iraq? My guess is that your portfolios are more important than the thousands of lives lost. Very sad indeed. :ohdear:

I was against the war! Were you?

Don't try to change the subject!!This has nothing to do with the war. The nation is going bankrupt and I care!! Do you?

No more tax increases and no more BAILOUTS!!

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This isn't just Republicans. I know many Democrats who are participating, also. For me, it's not just the income taxes. We are taxed to death on everything. We spent the other night in a hotel and there was over $30.00 worth of taxes and fees. Look at your utility, phone and other bills. Check out how much is added for taxes. Compare what oil companies make on a gallon of gas and then look at what the state and federal government make on it. Why will anyone have any incentive to work hard if its all going to Uncle Sam?


Went to the SECO annual meeting. Speaker said there is a carbon tax in the works--if passed would probably add at least $50.00 per month to the electric bill.

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Went to the SECO annual meeting. Speaker said there is a carbon tax in the works--if passed would probably add at least $50.00 per month to the electric bill.What does a "carbon tax"mean?

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What does a "carbon tax"mean?


Carbon tax is a tax on the carbon content of fuels--effectively, a tax on the carbon dioxide emissions from burning fossil fuels.

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You still haven't answered my question. Why wasn't all of this energy put into protesting the war in Iraq? My guess is that your portfolios are more important than the thousands of lives lost. Very sad indeed. :ohdear:


They won't answer the question, because they can't answer the question without looking bad. They know the war was one of the big reasons taxes are necessary to keep the country afloat, and so many of them were pro-war.

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Chels: I was FOR the premise of the Iraq war for our information.

Agree -- don't change the subject. Are you from Chicago? You sound a lot like someone I didn't vote for.

These tax hikes are NOT related to the Iraq war. They are being forced upon the citizens of this country to promote Socialism, more big government, everything our Founders left England to escape.

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That's not what the economists are saying....

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These tax hikes are NOT related to the Iraq war. They are being forced upon the citizens of this country to promote Socialism, more big government, everything our Founders left England to escape.

What tax hikes?
Unless you are earning over250K per year, and those hikes would have happened anyway if the Bush tax cuts were allowed to expire on schedule.
:shrug:

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Chels: I was FOR the premise of the Iraq war for our information.

Agree -- don't change the subject. Are you from Chicago? You sound a lot like someone I didn't vote for.

These tax hikes are NOT related to the Iraq war. They are being forced upon the citizens of this country to promote Socialism, more big government, everything our Founders left England to escape.

Yes! I'm from Chicago, but you tell that by looking to the right. That seems to be the only way you can look! ;)

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What tax hikes?
Unless you are earning over250K per year, and those hikes would have happened anyway if the Bush tax cuts were allowed to expire on schedule.
:shrug:

The "tax hike" that bothers me the most, and I am nowhere near to knowledgeable on this, is the one that will happen because of the "war" on anything corporate.

Seems to me that the taking away of anything beneficial with taxes relative to the corporations will translate into higher costs for all of us. Corporations dont pay taxes, they never have under any administration...it will be added to the cost of goods. This applies to energy, etc.

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Chels:

LOL I didn't even pay attention to your bio/pic. Sorry. It's not that bad.

But, on subject, don't let the facts keep you from the truth. I'm not right or left. I want this country to survive and I see it going down the tubes under this admin. That's not to say that Republicans are not just as bad. But if you read at all, you can see that I have written often about getting representatives who share Conservative values and are Constitutionalists to run in primaries and oust these lifers in Congress. It's a process. It won't happen overnight, but this nation cannot afford to sit silent any longer. Actions have consequences and as a United States citizen I have and we all have to dig out of this mess so that our kids will at least have as much as I did growing up.

Our President and his administration are sickening and destructive and dangerous. I'd say it is time for a REAL CHANGE. The change BHO has brought you can take back to Chicago.

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So getting back to the posting subject.
How many of you was at The Tea Party and Pay taxes I did not see any of what some of you are posting?

Da Sgt

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Whew! Just in time. E-filed today. Regarding the tea parties...very interesting. A response that big is very telling, and represents, as does any gathering, only a portion of those concerned with the issue. As for being "sponsored" by FOX News. Not true. Encouraged. Yes. Appreciated. Yes. and Covered by....yes, (unlike the NY Times who doesn't see a story here. Nor do any of the other arms of Tass or Pravda.

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Hi, just saw an excellent documentary and you can watch the entire thing on you tube. Here is the link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw&feature=related

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Chels:

LOL I didn't even pay attention to your bio/pic. Sorry. It's not that bad.

But, on subject, don't let the facts keep you from the truth. I'm not right or left. I want this country to survive and I see it going down the tubes under this admin. That's not to say that Republicans are not just as bad. But if you read at all, you can see that I have written often about getting representatives who share Conservative values and are Constitutionalists to run in primaries and oust these lifers in Congress. It's a process. It won't happen overnight, but this nation cannot afford to sit silent any longer. Actions have consequences and as a United States citizen I have and we all have to dig out of this mess so that our kids will at least have as much as I did growing up.

Our President and his administration are sickening and destructive and dangerous. I'd say it is time for a REAL CHANGE. The change BHO has brought you can take back to Chicago.

I did show up at the Crown Point rally. There was a good representation of people. From talking to several of the people they were there for different reasons. I for one don't want my taxes going up to pay for waste. Crook county Illinois is a good example.

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My guess is that your portfolios are more important than the thousands of lives lost. :

This is incredibly offensive to me. You seem to be a fun person otherwise, Chelsea; why do you have to say things like this?

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This was certainly not meant for you personally, and if you took it that way I apologize. However, I am offended that thousands of people decided to take action in an event sponsored by Fox news (propaganda) literally took action over taxes as opposed to protesting the wrongful war in Iraq.

Now people will quibble over the word "sponsored", so let's just say Fox News promoted it, organized it , and suckered people into it.

The taxes are being raised if you make $250K or more. It's a false scenario. I am a fun loving person but I can't ignore a wrong. And to make such a silly, non-productive fuss over something that's about money and not wrongfully killed American youngsters causes me to put my funny bone away. The war cost over 3 Trillion dollars and still going. The war cost close to 5000 lives and hundreds of thousands of civilian lives and still counting. Someone is dying every minute due to lack of food or water, while the right wing is out having a T.E.A. party.

So Barb, sorry if I offended YOU. See, I'M offended too.

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This was certainly not meant for you personally, and if you took it that way I apologize. However, I am offended that thousands of people decided to take action in an event sponsored by Fox news (propaganda) literally took action over taxes as opposed to protesting the wrongful war in Iraq.

Now people will quibble over the word "sponsored", so let's just say Fox News promoted it, organized it , and suckered people into it.

The taxes are being raised if you make $250K or more. It's a false scenario. I am a fun loving person but I can't ignore a wrong. And to make such a silly, non-productive fuss over something that's about money and not wrongfully killed American youngsters causes me to put my funny bone away. The war cost over 3 Trillion dollars and still going. The war cost close to 5000 lives and hundreds of thousands of civilian lives and still counting. Someone is dying every minute due to lack of food or water, while the right wing is out having a T.E.A. party.

So Barb, sorry if I offended YOU. See, I'M offended too.

First of all, many people do not see the Iraq War as wrongful, and actually took the time to understand the why and how of it. We've debated the Iraq war issue several times on this forum, and we all have our viewpoints. None are wrongful, just different. I happen to agree with the war, but my perspective is probably based on a different information stream, and not one out to seek supportive zealots.

As far as who organized what, it seemed okay for many what ACORN and others did as "community organizers." Or is that role only permissible for the Democratic Party selected and approved folk?

Regarding the over-$250K per year folk, why should they or anyone pay more than tax than someone else? If we are to have a tax based on productivity - and that's what it is - then the rate should be level and not exploitive against a minority population by the majority population. There is no difference in taxing a racial minority at a higher rate than taxing an economic minority at a higher rate. Or should we start looking at taxing religious minorities at a higher rate. Or should we tax tall people at a different rate than short people. Worse yet, should we tax over-60 people (a definite minority) at a higher rate than the under-60? Where's the cut line? We are all equal or we are not.

That's what the tea parties are all about - equality. Do we really believe in it, or is it a fluid concept which we manipulate for our own convenience?

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I'm sorry... But NOW you want equality! My, my. So you've think we've come a long way baby? Equality in taxes! Ha! :laugh: Do you think because we've elected our first black President that the African-American's think they suddenly have equality? Do you think that women STILL being paid less than a man for the same (if not better) job think they have equality? Do you think the teachers in the ghetto schools think they have the same resources, tools and equality as others in more affluent neighborhoods? Do you think the middle class gets equal health care to the so-called upper class? The answer is a resounding NO!

But! People will leave their recliners or the golf course or some Mahjongg game to protest for tax equality! Equality in America is still a far away dream. Wake up! And if I were you I would be careful about preaching this argument on the basis of equality -- you might just sound like a "dreaded" socialist! ;)

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Regarding the over-$250K per year folk, why should they or anyone pay more than tax than someone else?

Sure, give those millionaires more breaks. Absolutely! Fox News says its the right thing to do.
Take those tax cuts for all of us who don't make $250,000 and give it back to the rich. We love the rich. They trickle down their wealth to us.:bowdown::pepper2::bowdown:

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Sure, give those millionaires more breaks. Absolutely! Fox News says its the right thing to do.
Take those tax cuts for all of us who don't make $250,000 and give it back to the rich. We love the rich. They trickle down their wealth to us.:bowdown::pepper2::bowdown:

What I loath about your ilk is the way you sanctimoniously preach lowering the status of the rich rather than raising the status of the less affluent. Class warfare is your tool. It is the worse kind of envy.

Yoda

PS This is not directed at you personally.

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First of all, many people do not see the Iraq War as wrongful, and actually took the time to understand the why and how of it. We've debated the Iraq war issue several times on this forum, and we all have our viewpoints. None are wrongful, just different. I happen to agree with the war, but my perspective is probably based on a different information stream, and not one out to seek supportive zealots.

As far as who organized what, it seemed okay for many what ACORN and others did as "community organizers." Or is that role only permissible for the Democratic Party selected and approved folk?

Regarding the over-$250K per year folk, why should they or anyone pay more than tax than someone else? If we are to have a tax based on productivity - and that's what it is - then the rate should be level and not exploitive against a minority population by the majority population. There is no difference in taxing a racial minority at a higher rate than taxing an economic minority at a higher rate. Or should we start looking at taxing religious minorities at a higher rate. Or should we tax tall people at a different rate than short people. Worse yet, should we tax over-60 people (a definite minority) at a higher rate than the under-60? Where's the cut line? We are all equal or we are not.

That's what the tea parties are all about - equality. Do we really believe in it, or is it a fluid concept which we manipulate for our own convenience?

You've got it right Steve, everybody pays the same $10, $100, $1000 send in whatever you want. Want to start a war let's have a bake sale! Maybe that's why we sent our troops into Iraq in unarmored Humvees, we didn't sell enough cookies! Let's cut out the Iraq bailout, a waste of money and lives started by two guys who had "better things to do" when they had their chance to serve. How come protesting during the sixties was unpatriotic but not now?

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I'm always amused by the hatred of FOX News. They have more Democrats who have their own shows or are guests on shows, than all the other networks combined, have Republicans. I guess the fact that Republicans are allowed on FOX News is to much to handle.
When did $250,000 become a million? The rich already pay a huge percentage of the tax bill. How much is enough???

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I'm sorry... But NOW you want equality! My, my. So you've think we've come a long way baby? Equality in taxes! Ha! :laugh: Do you think because we've elected our first black President that the African-American's think they suddenly have equality? Do you think that women STILL being paid less than a man for the same (if not better) job think they have equality? Do you think the teachers in the ghetto schools think they have the same resources, tools and equality as others in more affluent neighborhoods? Do you think the middle class gets equal health care to the so-called upper class? The answer is a resounding NO!

But! People will leave their recliners or the golf course or some Mahjongg game to protest for tax equality! Equality in America is still a far away dream. Wake up! And if I were you I would be careful about preaching this argument on the basis of equality -- you might just sound like a "dreaded" socialist! ;)
So, the belief is that it's okay to tax a select minority at a higher rate, because it furthers equality?

Schools in ghettos lack resources for many reasons, to include a much higher expenditure per school/student to cover vandalism and security. In addition, There are fewer donated funds/resources which supplement tax tevenues because inner-city PTAs don't have m/any fundraiser programs that work well. Also, city governments often tend to spend the property tax money in ways which line the pockets of the city administrators (who eventually are caught!).

The SBA 8a program still exists, and minority contracting is alive and well.

So,

Yes, it IS an equality issue, and will continue to be one as long as persons are willing to do more to someone else than they will do to themselves. It is always easy to target "the other guy" for whatever justification, and whatever one's opinion is about racial/gender/sexual/political/other issues, that doesn't justify taking aim at a different group.

And you are not me...and socialism in any form is nothing more than Robin Hood without the romance.

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Sure, give those millionaires more breaks. Absolutely! Fox News says its the right thing to do.
Take those tax cuts for all of us who don't make $250,000 and give it back to the rich. We love the rich. They trickle down their wealth to us.:bowdown::pepper2::bowdown:Actually there is some truth to that trickle down comment. A wonderful example was in todays Daily Sun. Some obviously very rich person/family has been giving millions and millions of dollars anonomously to a large number of universities around the country. It was a neat story.

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Sure, give those millionaires more breaks. Absolutely! Fox News says its the right thing to do.
Take those tax cuts for all of us who don't make $250,000 and give it back to the rich. We love the rich. They trickle down their wealth to us.:bowdown::pepper2::bowdown:

Kayaker - What you selectively omit from your Democratic talking points are facts.

The rich carry most of the tax burden already.

The wealthiest 1% of Americans earn 19% of the income and pay 37% of the income tax.

The top 10% of income earners pay 68% of the tax burden. That's right 68%.

The lower 50 %, taxpayers below the median income level, earn 13% of income but pay just 3% of the taxes.

The above numbers do not reflect the health benefits and other government mandated revenues paid by the vast majority of employers...aka in your parlance , "the rich". Just curious kayak man....have you ever created employment for another?

Yoda, your skillful silver stiletto use of polysyllabic expression slays me.

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Hi, just saw an excellent documentary and you can watch the entire thing on you tube. Here is the link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw&feature=related

Everyone should watch this video!