Villages crossed Florida Turnpike

[kstew43]

So while driving around the Fenny area this afternoon, we stumbled upon a group of people off 503. There families have been living in the Adamsville area for 3 generations.

There road has been reciently paved and we inquired about that. They informed us that Sumter County/&The Villages has bought up most of the county roads off 501 around Fenny and they need paved roads for the possible 18k per day traffic....?

supposedly Sumter county has taken 2 homes in her neighborhood that back up to Fenny for roadways already under eminent domain laws .....wow

They and there neighbors are selling all the town.....as a unit........$250k an acre....so cool......although she didn't feel the same way. They are loosing there neighbors and friends and she was not excited about that.

I said......I still don't understand how the villages will get over the Fla Pike. She said they already have....a little south of the Okahumpka toll...The Villages built a bridge over the turnpike and they own all the property from Center Hill to 44. I wasn't sure she was correct...

So when I got back home, I google mapped it, and she is absolutly correct. The bridge is there and seems an easy stretch from 505 to 468 or 44.....villages named it Southern Oaks....or so they said.


So now I know why Fenny is there....it will become golf cart accessible to the town squares and the other golf someday. Very interesting....

[Allegiance]

Does this mean the build out is not here? ;)

[kstew43]

"build out" funny? never gonna happen....

[graciegirl]

So while driving around the Fenny area this afternoon, we stumbled upon a group of people off 503. There families have been living in the Adamsville area for 3 generations.

There road has been reciently paved and we inquired about that. They informed us that Sumter County/&The Villages has bought up most of the county roads off 501 around Fenny and they need paved roads for the possible 18k per day traffic....?

supposedly Sumter county has taken 2 homes in her neighborhood that back up to Fenny for roadways already under eminent domain laws .....wow

They and there neighbors are selling all the town.....as a unit........$250k an acre....so cool......although she didn't feel the same way. They are loosing there neighbors and friends and she was not excited about that.

I said......I still don't understand how the villages will get over the Fla Pike. She said they already have....a little south of the Okahumpka toll...The Villages built a bridge over the turnpike and they own all the property from Center Hill to 44. I wasn't sure she was correct...

So when I got back home, I google mapped it, and she is absolutly correct. The bridge is there and seems an easy stretch from 505 to 468 or 44.....villages named it Southern Oaks....or so they said.


So now I know why Fenny is there....it will become golf cart accessible to the town squares and the other golf someday. Very interesting....

Can you link us to something that supports this claim that the Villages has taken homes in eminent domain? I doubt that they would have the power and I think a lot of incorrect information is spread by people who really aren't crazy about the developers or are angry they can't sell new homes. Not saying you didn't hear it, but I have heard some mightly tall tales from subs and people who are supposedly in the know.

Anything at all will do to support this rumor.. If it is so I will run naked through the square. And no one wants that! I bet what happened was that The developers bought the property from them at a good price.............

[kstew43]

Can you link us to something that supports this claim that the Villages has taken homes in eminent domain? I doubt that they would have the power and I think a lot of incorrect information is spread by people who really aren't crazy about the developers or are angry they can't sell new homes. Not saying yo didn't hear it, but I have heard some mightly tall tales from subs and people who are supposedly in the know.

Anything at all will do. If it is so I will run naked through the square.

well, I gotta say...I would pay to see that....but

Sumter county/The Villages, took there homes...sale price?.... can't prove that until google maps shows at the end of 503 attached to Fenny homes torn down, which shouldn't take too long to update....but if you drive down the road, it is newly paved.

The adamsville town acres/streets will go up for sale by the end of the week....all together...as one big acreage.

As far as the Fla turnpike golf cart bridge...that can be seen today.....in person...or on google maps

[twoplanekid]

The bridge on 468 across the Florida turnpike is a golf cart bridge? What is the speed allowed for car traffic? If it's 45 MPH or higher then golf carts will not be allowed. I will try to take an aerial picture of the bridge from the Cub tomorrow.

[circletrack]

well, I gotta say...I would pay to see that....but

Sumter county/The Villages, took there homes...sale price?.... can't prove that until google maps shows at the end of 503 attached to Fenny homes torn down, which shouldn't take too long to update....but if you drive down the road, it is newly paved.

The adamsville town acres/streets will go up for sale by the end of the week....all together...as one big acreage.

As far as the Fla turnpike golf cart bridge...that can be seen today.....in person...or on google maps

A full-size automobile bridge was built yes, but right next to an existing bridge. It wasn't much of a secret, especially if you travel the turnpike often.

[Packer Fan]

Sure enough there is a bridge to nowhere south of the plaza...

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Okahumpka+Service+Plaza/@28.7811666,-81.9734166,354m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x88e7e9c7186d1b47:0x23d62 0531599545b!8m2!3d28.7869148!4d-81.9822582

Google Maps (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Okahumpka+Service+Plaza/@28.7811666,-81.9734166,354m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x88e7e9c7186d1b47:0x23d62 0531599545b!8m2!3d28.7869148!4d-81.9822582)
Not really sure that proves anything - or has anything to do with the Villages.


It must have been there for a long time - Google earth is over 2 years old in this area- it still shows the entire village of Hillsborough as dirt...

[ColdNoMore]

As far as the Fla turnpike golf cart bridge...that can be seen today.....in person...or on google maps

That bridge, which is south of the Okahumpka Travel Plaza, has been there a long time and has a sign on it that identifies it as 'Bailey Road.'

My guess is that it was built to provide access for a farmer (Bailey?)...when the toll road cut through his/her land.

I'm sure it could be used for a golf cart trail though and maybe the developer plans on doing just that...but The Villages didn't build it.

Unless, The Developer was planning on expanding all the way back in...1964. :D

Bailey Road Over Sr 91 | Bridge Inspections | Sumter County | theledger.com | The Ledger | Lakeland, FL (http://www.ledgerdata.com/bridges/sumter/bailey-road-over-sr-91/180024/)

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A full-size automobile bridge was built yes, but right next to an existing bridge. It wasn't much of a secret, especially if you travel the turnpike often.

The bridge that you're talking about is north of the Okahumpka Travel Plaza and is an upgrade of highway 468.

It will be a new interchange with the Florida Turnpike...and IT IS being paid for by The Developer.

[twoplanekid]

Sure enough there is a bridge to nowhere south of the plaza...

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Okahumpka+Service+Plaza/@28.7811666,-81.9734166,354m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x88e7e9c7186d1b47:0x23d62 0531599545b!8m2!3d28.7869148!4d-81.9822582

Google Maps (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Okahumpka+Service+Plaza/@28.7811666,-81.9734166,354m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x88e7e9c7186d1b47:0x23d62 0531599545b!8m2!3d28.7869148!4d-81.9822582)
Not really sure that proves anything - or has anything to do with the Villages.


It must have been there for a long time - Google earth is over 2 years old in this area- it still shows the entire village of Hillsborough as dirt...

I never noticed this bridge to nowhere. It's about 2 miles south of the 468 bridge along the turnpike and shows on a Google Earth picture taken way back in January of 1999. What the heck I will fly over both bridges and snoop.

[dewilson58]

that bridge, which is south of the okahumpka travel plaza, has been there a long time and has a sign on it that identifies it as 'bailey road.'

my guess is that it was built to provide access for a farmer (bailey?)...when the toll road cut through his/her land.

I'm sure it could be used for a golf cart trail though and maybe the developer plans on doing just that...but the villages didn't build it.






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[dewilson58]

A manager at Walmart told me, Costco bot the bridge.

[circletrack]

That bridge, which is south of the Okahumpka Travel Plaza, has been there a long time and has a sign on it that identifies it as 'Bailey Road.'

My guess is that it was built to provide access for a farmer (Bailey?)...when the toll road cut through his/her land.

I'm sure it could be used for a golf cart trail though and maybe the developer plans on doing just that...but The Villages didn't build it.

Unless, The Developer was planning on expanding all the way back in...1964. :D

Bailey Road Over Sr 91 | Bridge Inspections | Sumter County | theledger.com | The Ledger | Lakeland, FL (http://www.ledgerdata.com/bridges/sumter/bailey-road-over-sr-91/180024/)








The bridge that you're talking about is north of the Okahumpka Travel Plaza and is an upgrade of highway 468.

It will be a new interchange with the Florida Turnpike...and IT IS being paid for by The Developer.


Now that Bailey bridge could be key to this. That's assuming they've bought up all that land. Wonder what shape that bridge is in?

[ColdNoMore]

Now that Bailey bridge could be key to this. That's assuming they've bought up all that land. Wonder what shape that bridge is in?
I agree that having it already in place, saved The Villages millions of dollars in putting a golf cart bridge across the Turnpike.

The link I provided is the inspection of the bridge made in 2013.

While it isn't in perfect shape, it gets a 96.4 'Health Index' and I'm sure it would be fine for golf carts.

Here's the link again.

Bailey Road Over Sr 91 | Bridge Inspections | Sumter County | theledger.com | The Ledger | Lakeland, FL (http://www.ledgerdata.com/bridges/sumter/bailey-road-over-sr-91/180024/)

[circletrack]

I agree that having it already in place, saved The Villages millions of dollars in putting a golf cart bridge across the Turnpike.

The link I provided is the inspection of the bridge made in 2013.

While it isn't in perfect shape, it gets a 96.4 'Health Index' and I'm sure it would be fine for golf carts.

Here's the link again.

Bailey Road Over Sr 91 | Bridge Inspections | Sumter County | theledger.com | The Ledger | Lakeland, FL (http://www.ledgerdata.com/bridges/sumter/bailey-road-over-sr-91/180024/)


Yeah, looks like a few issues. It needs standards upgrades. But would likely do the job.

[HoosierPa]

If it is true that this bridge will enable golf cart traffic over the turnpike, there still would be an issue getting across 44 to connect Fenney and future development to the rest of The Villages

[Two Bills]

Looks like one of the bridges they use to move cattle etc. across farms split by highways.

[photo1902]

So while driving around the Fenny area this afternoon, we stumbled upon a group of people off 503. There families have been living in the Adamsville area for 3 generations.

There road has been reciently paved and we inquired about that. They informed us that Sumter County/&The Villages has bought up most of the county roads off 501 around Fenny and they need paved roads for the possible 18k per day traffic....?

supposedly Sumter county has taken 2 homes in her neighborhood that back up to Fenny for roadways already under eminent domain laws .....wow

They and there neighbors are selling all the town.....as a unit........$250k an acre....so cool......although she didn't feel the same way. They are loosing there neighbors and friends and she was not excited about that.

I said......I still don't understand how the villages will get over the Fla Pike. She said they already have....a little south of the Okahumpka toll...The Villages built a bridge over the turnpike and they own all the property from Center Hill to 44. I wasn't sure she was correct...

So when I got back home, I google mapped it, and she is absolutly correct. The bridge is there and seems an easy stretch from 505 to 468 or 44.....villages named it Southern Oaks....or so they said.


So now I know why Fenny is there....it will become golf cart accessible to the town squares and the other golf someday. Very interesting....

I'm suspicious of the story they told you. What county roads are there off of 501? Not to mention, the Coleman Correctional Complex is a little south on 501, at 470. And I think people are getting confused. The 468 overpass is north of the service center, 470 bridge is south of it on the Turnpike.

[skip0358]

Rt. 468 is NOT a Golf Cart roadway and you can't cross Rt. 44 in a Golf Cart. As for eminent domain the government has that power. I'm not saying the Developer can't request that those properties be taken but there are a lot of assumptions here.

[Rickg]

Why would TV even be concerned about a golf cart bridge?? All they want is to sell homes, they don't need a golf cart bridge. I think they will have more rental carts at the executive courses to accommodate the Villigers south of the Turnpike that want to golf.

[kstew43]

Rt. 468 is NOT a Golf Cart roadway and you can't cross Rt. 44 in a Golf Cart. As for eminent domain the government has that power. I'm not saying the Developer can't request that those properties be taken but there are a lot of assumptions here.

the bridge I am speaking of is located between 468 and 470.....just south of the Okahumpka plaza. Maybe it was a cow crossing but soon to become a golf cart bridge since the villages bought all that land. I think its going to be marvelous..... access from the south to the town squares. it a win for the villages.

The are at least 4 roads south of 468 ......503...503A-E ect... these roads will soon connect to 501 as will Fenny.

Sumter County must have done eminent domaine there property.....to make access for the new development.....on behalf of the Village of Fenny ... they paved and widen a road just reciently that has existed for 20 years plus? for what purposes would the homeowners that have resided there for generations lie?

If you take a drive back into that area you will see that the power and gas lines as well as water are being put into place. This is evident from all the flags hanging everywhere... all up and down the turnpike all the way thru to Hwy 48 which leads to Center Hill. The villages is making it way south and sumter county is paving the way.

The once peaceful homeowners are probably not that happy with the progress....but hopefully they will be happy with the fat checks they recieve for there property....

[Allegiance]

I heard that the villages, in conjunction with Costco, whole foods and trader Joe's bought the bailey bridge and the Brooklyn Bridge.

Seriously, if this is true, there will never be a build out.

Not sure if that is good or bad, I assume bad for any significant property value increases.

[Bogie Shooter]

Why would TV even be concerned about a golf cart bridge?? All they want is to sell homes, they don't need a golf cart bridge. I think they will have more rental carts at the executive courses to accommodate the Villigers south of the Turnpike that want to golf.

Why wouldn't the new villagers not buy their own golf carts??

[justjim]

Iam 95% certain that I traveled Bailey road years ago in my car when I lived south of Leesburg in Royal Highlands. If I remember correct, it comes out on Rt. 27 south. Not a cart path.

Anyway, a lot of speculation and rumors but few facts about what the Developer might be up to south of Rt. 44. Patience is a virtue---we will know in due time. Fore!

[Polar Bear]

Could be eminent domain, but I seriously doubt it. More like an irresistible purchase offer I would guess.

[CWGUY]

Iam 95% certain that I traveled Bailey road years ago in my car when I lived south of Leesburg in Royal Highlands. If I remember correct, it comes out on Rt. 27 south. Not a cart path.

Anyway, a lot of speculation and rumors but few facts about what the Developer might be up to south of Rt. 44. Patience is a virtue---we will know in due time. Fore!

;) I know this is all true. I've seen the amenities they are building. If you go south on 501 from 468, you will see the ball fields, handball courts and weight lifting areas.( how come they have handball and weights? We don't! :icon_wink:

[kstew43]

another little tid-bit I heard yesterday is that the 468 turnpike access has been delayed due to funding.

Supposedly they Villages funded the 468 roadways but is not going to contribute to the Turnpike ramps?.

But, I can see they seem to be building a frontage road from 301 to 470 so?

Sumter county decided The 301 turnpike "Wildwood" access will now be improved instead.

Who knows...

[ColdNoMore]

Iam 95% certain that I traveled Bailey road years ago in my car when I lived south of Leesburg in Royal Highlands. If I remember correct, it comes out on Rt. 27 south. Not a cart path.


I kinda doubt that you ever used this particular bridge.

Go to Google maps and you will see that there is no indication that there has ever been even a dirt road...on either approach. :shrug:

[ColdNoMore]

Here's what it looks like from the southbound lanes of the Turnpike, just south of the Okahumpka Travel Plaza.

[twoplanekid]

Picture take today from the Cub. It's here and goes all the way to Orlando. A pipe line that is. Not a golf cart in site:icon_wink:

[twoplanekid]

Turnpike & 468

[ColdNoMore]

Picture take today from the Cub. It's here and goes all the way to Orlando. A pipe line that is. Not a golf cart in site:icon_wink:

Look again, it's not a pipeline crossing the turnpike.

[twoplanekid]

Look again, it's not a pipeline crossing the turnpike.

Sorry, I was referring to the construction parallel to the Turnpike and not the bridge. I should have been more specific.

[ColdNoMore]

Sorry, I was referring to the construction parallel to the Turnpike and not the bridge. I should have been more specific.

No problem.

Thanks for the photos, they are better than Google Maps and in yours it can be seen that the bridge could easily be used as a cart path to cross the turnpike. :thumbup:

[NoMoSno]

Picture take today from the Cub. It's here and goes all the way to Orlando. A pipe line that is. Not a golf cart in site:icon_wink:
Hope you waved hi to Whitey Bulger, and company, staying in Coleman....:wave:

[ColdNoMore]

Hope you waved hi to Whitey Bulger, and company, staying in Coleman....:icon_wink:

BTW - I think you have the second best user name here. :thumbup:


:D

[NoMoSno]

BTW - I think you have the second best user name here. :thumbup:


:D

:thumbup:

[John_W]

A good selling point is, if you work at Coleman Federal Peniteniary you could walk to work. For those who aren't quite ready to retire, prison guard jobs start at $40,000. It's not just blue collar either, they have openings for nurses, drug counselors, medical officers and so on. :icon_wink:

https://www.clarkconstruction.com/sites/default/files/styles/project_photos/public/project_photos/Coleman%20I_Carousel.jpg?itok=UHIcjf4M

https://www.clarkconstruction.com/sites/default/files/styles/project_photos/public/project_photos/Coleman%20Federal%20Correctional%20Complex_Carouse l.jpg?itok=2yOzH49L

USAJOBS - The Federal Government’s Official Jobs Site (https://www.usajobs.gov/Search/?keyword=&Location=coleman+florida&AutoCompleteSelected=false)

[dewilson58]

Walking is good news, bad news. The bad news, it could be a two-way sidewalk.


:22yikes:

[kstew43]

Picture take today from the Cub. It's here and goes all the way to Orlando. A pipe line that is. Not a golf cart in site:icon_wink:


GREAT PICTURES.......


let me ask you.......do you really think that bridge was used to heard cattle across the turnpike.....

I have seen enough Bonanza to know they could probably never get cows in close enough with the cows moving in a herd.... seems like a few would maybe end up on the pike.

I think some thing else....or someone else created that bridge.....?humm...

not that I care cause I don't, I think this is actually going to be awesome....bigger...more fooderies...shopping....love it.......BUT

when my supposedly informed Sales agent, that I have trusted her advice for many years, explains (lies) to me that Fenny will NEVER have access to The bubble and that I should really look into buying in Fruitland Park/Lake county....because that is all there is going to be left to buy?

Thats when my blood pressure goes up.......and my defenses start to react.....and I get angry....

[circletrack]

GREAT PICTURES.......


let me ask you.......do you really think that bridge was used to heard cattle across the turnpike.....

I have seen enough Bonanza to know they could probably never get cows in close enough with the cows moving in a herd.... seems like a few would maybe end up on the pike.

I think some thing else....or someone else created that bridge.....?humm...

not that I care cause I don't, I think this is actually going to be awesome....bigger...more fooderies...shopping....love it.......BUT

when my supposedly informed Sales agent, that I have trusted her advice for many years, explains (lies) to me that Fenny will NEVER have access to The bubble and that I should really look into buying in Fruitland Park/Lake county....because that is all there is going to be left to buy?

Thats when my blood pressure goes up.......and my defenses start to react.....and I get angry....

I believe this is all just speculation for now. The only announced land that they've purchased so far is Fenney. And this bridge is currently owned by the Turnpike.

Not that any of that can't change overnight.

[kstew43]

I believe this is all just speculation for now. The only announced land that they've purchased so far is Fenney. And this bridge is currently owned by the Turnpike.

Not that any of that can't change overnight.

They already own most of the land...I say most because some people are holding out for better dollars......they own all the way to Center Hill.....in one name or another..

Its on a need to know basis....I am sure.....

[circletrack]

They already own most of the land...I say most because some people are holding out for better dollars......they own all the way to Center Hill.....in one name or another..

Its on a need to know basis....I am sure.....

Yep, that's why I said announced. There's plenty open land to buy up. But it's all been kept low key for now.

[ColdNoMore]

let me ask you.......do you really think that bridge was used to heard cattle across the turnpike.....

I have seen enough Bonanza to know they could probably never get cows in close enough with the cows moving in a herd.... seems like a few would maybe end up on the pike.Cattle AND farm equipment.

There are fences that keep the cattle from the Turnpike and if you look closely in twoplanekid's photo (and Google Maps), you can see fences that make a 'chute' to go over the bridge.

You can also see cattle in his photos.





I think some thing else....or someone else created that bridge.....?humm...


And if the Turnpike had bifurcated your farm/ranch, how else would you get your equipment and cattle from one side to the other?

Except for the landowner at the time, whom/what do you think would have "created that bridge" ...in 1964?

[graciegirl]

GREAT PICTURES.......


let me ask you.......do you really think that bridge was used to heard cattle across the turnpike.....

I have seen enough Bonanza to know they could probably never get cows in close enough with the cows moving in a herd.... seems like a few would maybe end up on the pike.

I think some thing else....or someone else created that bridge.....?humm...

not that I care cause I don't, I think this is actually going to be awesome....bigger...more fooderies...shopping....love it.......BUT

when my supposedly informed Sales agent, that I have trusted her advice for many years, explains (lies) to me that Fenny will NEVER have access to The bubble and that I should really look into buying in Fruitland Park/Lake county....because that is all there is going to be left to buy?

Thats when my blood pressure goes up.......and my defenses start to react.....and I get angry....


Some people hold a Realtors license and they get angry because the developer does not participate with the MLS. Does not allow the MLS to sell homes for them.

That makes some people's blood pressure go up, and makes their defenses start to react. There is a lot of bad feeling for that reason and a lot of posts that are critical of the developer. I don't care because no sales agent for The Villages has ever lied to me, nor to anyone I know well. They don't have to. People are lined up ready to buy here and I like that. It makes my home more valuable. It makes my investment grow.

[Two Bills]

You hit the nail smack on the head Ma'am.
Why would the developer need outside Realtors getting a cut. The houses sell themselves.
Dumbo could sell houses here.

[Allegiance]

I am 99% sure Village agents have told little white lies about the build out. ;)