After the election of Abe Lincoln...

[blueash]

Doing some genealogy work and came across a newspaper published just after Lincoln's election, from Raleigh NC in Nov 1860. I found it fascinating to see the thoughts of the writers and I am posting it here for all:

"If it be true that Lincoln is elected President, stocks of all kinds and property generally will fall in price. A panic runs like fire in dry stubble. Let every business man stand firm, and do all he can to ward off the effects of the panic. Let as little property be sacrificed as possible. Instead of pressing our debtors, or selling property of any kind to provide the means of living or extravagance, let us economize an live on less than heretofore. Let us especially beware of a panic in slave property- Slavery in the States is in no danger. Those persons in the States south of us who are anxious to open the slave trade and import barbarians into this country, would not object to a panic which would reduce the selling prices of slaves in Maryland, Virginia and North Carolina to three or four hundred dollars each... It would be unwise to rush slave property into market at a sacrifice on account of Lincoln's election. Let us stand firm, strengthen our defenses in the Union, and keep a strict eye on our slaves. Let us see to it that they are governed better than heretofore at home, so that when away from their homes the may give less trouble to the police. There is no danger to be apprehended from the slaves, if bad white men are watched and kept away from them. Left to themselves, they are contented and happy, and much more loyal and respectable than the abolitionists are themselves. A negro slave who knows his place, and who is faithful to his master, is a gentleman when compared with such white persons as Seward and Sumner."

[chuckinca]

And your point is . . .

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[tomwed]

Doing some genealogy work and came across a newspaper published just after Lincoln's election, from Raleigh NC in Nov 1860. I found it fascinating to see the thoughts of the writers and I am posting it here for all:
I also find it fascinating. Thanks for sharing. Is there an easy way to find old newspapers online?

[blueash]

There are a few sources some very localized, some very limited. If you are interested in New York State try Old Fulton NY Post Cards (http://fultonhistory.com/Fulton.html) The search is a bit quirky and it can be slow to load but it is full of good stuff.

For a wider view of the nation, including the source I used here, Chronicling America << Library of Congress (http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/) which is the library of congress, the loc in the web address.

There are pay to use websites also. Some public libraries have subscriptions. My hometown library allows me to keep my account and has online some of the big ones like NY Times. If you have a particular state or location using a local library or a state archives is a great place to start.

As to why did I post, as I wrote I thought it was interesting. I like history and primary sources can present the feelings of the people much better than what we think they must have believed. Frankly when I read it, I had a wow moment at the casualness of how they thought about the slaves and the issue of slavery. In many of the articles they use the word "institution" to mean slavery and saw the Compromise of 1850 as one of the great accomplishments of government.

[graciegirl]

Blueash...............I know from experience that there is more to your post than your exploration into genealogy.

I honestly say to all, because most people are aware of it that know me, that when eating a Twix candy bar that I favor the right one. I have always thought you liked the other side...........so I will wait and see what point you will make.

I say that was THEN. Thank GOD that was then. Now most people have learned a great deal. Over in Spain there was the inquisition, but we have learned a lot since then, as a people. Thank God that is behind us. Then of course in Germany, there was the Holocaust. Now we are figuring out new ways to be hateful and ugly to each other.To incite violence and find reasons to hurt and kill each other. It makes me so sad I could cry. It can not end well when we hate.

[Taltarzac725]

Blueash...............I know from experience that there is more to your post than your exploration into genealogy.

I honestly say to all, because most people are aware of it that know me, that when eating a Twix candy bar that I favor the right one. I have always thought you liked the other side...........so I will wait and see what point you will make.

I say that was THEN. Thank GOD that was then. Now most people have learned a great deal. Over in Spain there was the inquisition, but we have learned a lot since then, as a people. Thank God that is behind us. Then of course in Germany, there was the Holocaust. Now we are figuring out new ways to be hateful and ugly to each other.To incite violence and find reasons to hurt and kill each other. It makes me so sad I could cry. It can not end well when we hate.

This link has a lot of resources about history, the law, politics and the like-- Home - Free Legal Research Resources - Research Guides at Harvard Library (http://guides.library.harvard.edu/free)

[tomwed]

There are a few sources some very localized, some very limited. If you are interested in New York State try Old Fulton NY Post Cards (http://fultonhistory.com/Fulton.html) The search is a bit quirky and it can be slow to load but it is full of good stuff.

For a wider view of the nation, including the source I used here, Chronicling America << Library of Congress (http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/) which is the library of congress, the loc in the web address.

There are pay to use websites also. Some public libraries have subscriptions. My hometown library allows me to keep my account and has online some of the big ones like NY Times. If you have a particular state or location using a local library or a state archives is a great place to start.

As to why did I post, as I wrote I thought it was interesting. I like history and primary sources can present the feelings of the people much better than what we think they must have believed. Frankly when I read it, I had a wow moment at the casualness of how they thought about the slaves and the issue of slavery. In many of the articles they use the word "institution" to mean slavery and saw the Compromise of 1850 as one of the great accomplishments of government.
Thanks again for a wow moment. I followed your link and found some relatives [ancestors] of mine, nothing noteworthy to anyone but me and mine. The search feature is pretty amazing. My last name was fabricated on Ellis Island around 1880.

[Rockyrd]

Blueash...............I know from experience that there is more to your post than your exploration into genealogy.

I honestly say to all, because most people are aware of it that know me, that when eating a Twix candy bar that I favor the right one. I have always thought you liked the other side...........so I will wait and see what point you will make.

I say that was THEN. Thank GOD that was then. Now most people have learned a great deal. Over in Spain there was the inquisition, but we have learned a lot since then, as a people. Thank God that is behind us. Then of course in Germany, there was the Holocaust. Now we are figuring out new ways to be hateful and ugly to each other.To incite violence and find reasons to hurt and kill each other. It makes me so sad I could cry. It can not end well when we hate.

And thanks to .......we have large amounts of people defending those new ways to be hateful, and endorsing them in the name of something.

Civil discourse and compromise have gone by the wayside I am afraid.

HOWEVER, keep in mind that those examples you gave..everyone of them started with TALK and speeches preaching the hate. That speech was the pre cursor in each case.

[blueash]

Thanks again for a wow moment. I followed your link and found some relatives [ancestors] of mine, nothing noteworthy to anyone but me and mine. The search feature is pretty amazing. My last name was fabricated on Ellis Island around 1880.

I thank you for your compliment. I have learned that the common story of immigrants having their name changed at Ellis Island is a myth. When your ancestors got on the boat, a manifest of passengers was created. It was written in English letters as opposed to Greek or Cyrillic or Yiddish or Russian if the ship was going to America. The ship agent or officer wrote down what he heard or copied off a paper if there was one. That name, created on boarding the ship was not changed when you got here. There was no assigning of names when you got off the boat.

Just as to your situation, of course, there was no Ellis Island [opened in 1892] in the 1880's rather immigrants if they came through NYC were mostly processed through Castle Garden. Castle Garden (http://www.castlegarden.org/) you can search for your family.

[Don Baldwin]

There are a few sources some very localized, some very limited. If you are interested in New York State try Old Fulton NY Post Cards (http://fultonhistory.com/Fulton.html) The search is a bit quirky and it can be slow to load but it is full of good stuff.

For a wider view of the nation, including the source I used here, Chronicling America << Library of Congress (http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/) which is the library of congress, the loc in the web address.

There are pay to use websites also. Some public libraries have subscriptions. My hometown library allows me to keep my account and has online some of the big ones like NY Times. If you have a particular state or location using a local library or a state archives is a great place to start.

As to why did I post, as I wrote I thought it was interesting. I like history and primary sources can present the feelings of the people much better than what we think they must have believed. Frankly when I read it, I had a wow moment at the casualness of how they thought about the slaves and the issue of slavery. In many of the articles they use the word "institution" to mean slavery and saw the Compromise of 1850 as one of the great accomplishments of government.

They knew what they are. We delude ourselves.

And thanks to .......we have large amounts of people defending those new ways to be hateful, and endorsing them in the name of something.

Civil discourse and compromise have gone by the wayside I am afraid.

HOWEVER, keep in mind that those examples you gave..everyone of them started with TALK and speeches preaching the hate. That speech was the pre cursor in each case.

Compromise means BOTH sides lose. Compromise, like diversity, is NOT a good thing. The weak push for compromise.

You want to ban speech? Who gets to decide what we can and can't say?

[rubicon]

First I doubt the newspaper people were any less or more bias then they are today and that one newspaper account may be different than another because f the editor and editing, etc.

The article referenced by the OP may have come from a southern state or an author within that state that favored slavery whereas a northern newspaper probably had a different account of slavery Lincoln, but then you could find a northern who also favored slavery. Also remember the real issue of the civil war was not slavery but commerce (tariffs, etc)

There are a number of ethic groups over the history of mankind that have met with savagery, slavery, bias etc.

Recall what Americans had to say about the axis powers in WWII or the enemy in Vietnam.

Least let us not forget that women were once chattel property. and remember such treatment continues in many foreign countries today

So now we find those who react nominally with the term trigger warning, micro-aggresssions and seeking safe places. This reaction causes people to re-write the past and history should not be re-written. It should be recorded accurately and utilized to guide human kind from repeating the same mistakes..if that is at all possible

We must never forget but we must forgive and we must be thankful that there are enough good people on this earth that such unjust and brutal treatment doesn't last.

Unfortunately we find people in this nation of ours who use this slavery issue to incite and perpetuate hate. the nation long ago acknowledged their mea culpa and great progress has been accomplished . Can't we just leave it at that ..how many times are we going to kick that dog?

[graciegirl]

First I doubt the newspaper people were any less or more biased then they are today and that one newspaper account may be different than another because f the editor and editing, etc.

The article referenced by the OP may have come from a southern state or an author within that state that favored slavery whereas a northern newspaper probably had a different account of slavery Lincoln, but then you could find a northern who also favored slavery. Also remember the real issue of the civil war was not slavery but commerce (tariffs, etc)

There are a number of ethnic groups over the history of mankind that have met with savagery, slavery, bias etc.

Recall what Americans had to say about the axis powers in WWII or the enemy in Vietnam.

Least let us not forget that women were once chattel property. and remember such treatment continues in many foreign countries today

So now we find those who react nominally with the term trigger warning, micro-aggresssions and seeking safe places. This reaction causes people to re-write the past and history should not be re-written. It should be recorded accurately and utilized to guide human kind from repeating the same mistakes..if that is at all possible

We must never forget but we must forgive and we must be thankful that there are enough good people on this earth that such unjust and brutal treatment doesn't last.

Unfortunately we find people in this nation of ours who use this slavery issue to incite and perpetuate hate. the nation long ago acknowledged their mea culpa and great progress has been accomplished . Can't we just leave it at that ..how many times are we going to kick that dog?

Most of the time, Rubicon, I like you a lot, but after reading this, I just love you. In a most respectful way and such as Mrs. Rubicon would approve of.

This should be framed and hanging in my home. Lovely. Good, decent, caring, fair, well written, and heart touching...to me.

[justjim]

They knew what they are. We delude ourselves.



Compromise means BOTH sides lose. Compromise, like diversity, is NOT a good thing. The weak push for compromise.

You want to ban speech? Who gets to decide what we can and can't say?

With all due respect I disagree that compromise does not work. For over 200 years it has worked in America and it has made us the greatest country on earth.

[autumnspring]

Doing some genealogy work and came across a newspaper published just after Lincoln's election, from Raleigh NC in Nov 1860. I found it fascinating to see the thoughts of the writers and I am posting it here for all:

"If it be true that Lincoln is elected President, stocks of all kinds and property generally will fall in price. A panic runs like fire in dry stubble. Let every business man stand firm, and do all he can to ward off the effects of the panic. Let as little property be sacrificed as possible. Instead of pressing our debtors, or selling property of any kind to provide the means of living or extravagance, let us economize an live on less than heretofore. Let us especially beware of a panic in slave property- Slavery in the States is in no danger. Those persons in the States south of us who are anxious to open the slave trade and import barbarians into this country, would not object to a panic which would reduce the selling prices of slaves in Maryland, Virginia and North Carolina to three or four hundred dollars each... It would be unwise to rush slave property into market at a sacrifice on account of Lincoln's election. Let us stand firm, strengthen our defenses in the Union, and keep a strict eye on our slaves. Let us see to it that they are governed better than heretofore at home, so that when away from their homes the may give less trouble to the police. There is no danger to be apprehended from the slaves, if bad white men are watched and kept away from them. Left to themselves, they are contented and happy, and much more loyal and respectable than the abolitionists are themselves. A negro slave who knows his place, and who is faithful to his master, is a gentleman when compared with such white persons as Seward and Sumner."

RE: SLAVERY
We try to understand or perhaps judge it in our present time. Before all the people waste their time judging me, my family came to the US just before WWI and they had nothing to do with slavery.
FACTS I FIND INTERESTING
1/3 of the worth of the south was in the value of slaves. Right or wrong-WOULD YOU GIVE UP 1/3 OF YOUR NET WORTH?
Slavery was a COMMON PRACTICE. If, you wanted to LEARN a trade, your family would sign you to a SEVEN YEAR contract as an apprentice. YOU WERE ESSENTIALLY A SLAVE FOR SEVEN YEARS. Many people especially Irish people came over as INDENTURED SERVANTS-SLAVES FOR 14 YEARS. In both cases you had NO RIGHTS. You were poorly fed. You were on call 24 hours a day. People were sexually abused. You lived in the barn with the livestock-no heat, poor light from candles.
In our POLITICALLY CORRECTED HISTORY, we have been told LINCOLN freed the slaves. The FACTS are when Lincoln delivered the Emancipation Proclamation he was not the leader of the south-JEFFERSON DAVIS was. Lincoln hoped to start SLAVE RIOTS. The slaves had NO CHANCE against the southern army but, Lincoln hoped to tie up Southern Troops KILLING SLAVES so that the troops would not be able to fight the Civil war. In missippi the population was half black slaves. Imagine you were a white living in missippi. Would YOU be joining the bounty hunters going after slaves? Would YOU do nothing? Would you protest against Lincoln or against slavery. PROTESTING AGAINST SLAVERY MADE YOU AN OUTCAST AND COULD WELL COST YOU YOUR LIFE AND THE LIVES OF YOU FAMILY.

I try to understand history by wondering what I would do.
It is easy to say you would BUT WOULD YOU REALLY?

[autumnspring]

Contrary to what we want to believe not all slave owners were white.
I do not recall the name but there is furniture on display at the NY Metropolitan Museum of Art, that was made by a BLACK master furniture maker. If, you do not appreciate fine furniture, it is a skill, a science, a business and an art. REMINDER-having your furniture in the Metropolitan Museum says it is the finest of the fine. Similar to winning the Olympics.

To be short- the history of this artist craftsman was that he learned to do fine woodworking. Typically of southern slave practice, if you had such a skilled worker your would allow him to do work for your neighbors. Your neighbors would pay the slave owner for the work and typically the slave got half of the money. This slave over many years saved enough to buy himself. His owner would need to be willing to allow him to do this. The former slave set up a shop. Again he saved his money. THE FIRST THING HE BOUGHT WAS A BLACK SLAVE. Not as we would want to believe-to buy a family member-to buy a woman he had affection for-NO HE WANTED A WORKER THAT HE COULD CONTROL-A SLAVE.
He was not the only one. At least 5% of the AS WE WANT TO BELIEVE EVIL SLAVE OWNERS-were BLACK.

[autumnspring]

Blueash...............I know from experience that there is more to your post than your exploration into genealogy.

I honestly say to all, because most people are aware of it that know me, that when eating a Twix candy bar that I favor the right one. I have always thought you liked the other side...........so I will wait and see what point you will make.

I say that was THEN. Thank GOD that was then. Now most people have learned a great deal. Over in Spain there was the inquisition, but we have learned a lot since then, as a people. Thank God that is behind us. Then of course in Germany, there was the Holocaust. Now we are figuring out new ways to be hateful and ugly to each other.To incite violence and find reasons to hurt and kill each other. It makes me so sad I could cry. It can not end well when we hate.

As you/we read through these posts and many like them, it is clear there is plenty of HATE or perhaps, HATERS is a more appropriate view.

I think,I HOPE, things like the SPANISH INQUISITION, TE RISE OF HITLER, THE RISE OF MUSSOLINI, THE THOUGHTS OF HIROHITO will not happen here because of our diverse population.

Many world changing inventions came from the US. The reason is perhaps our crazy, diverse population. For a quick list-user friendly computers, the internet, the atomic bomb, the video recorder-now obsolete but, it was a major change.

In Japan for example, Hirohito was able to start them on a SIMPLY INSANE warpath because they had and still have a united population. NO ONE DARED TO PROTEST AGAINST THE WAR. Japan like Germany wanted to run the entire world. Hitler inspired his people to war with the Arrian race TALE. Did no one notice HITLER was not blond blue eyed? Did none of the Japanese wonder if they were Arrian?

Our current election does seem HATEFUL. Frankly, many of the posts are not only hateful THEY ARE SIMPLY INCORRECT. I keep reminding myself that people in the villages are more prosperous, brighter, and more educated then our general population. THAT IS A SCARY THOUGHT.

[2BNTV]

I recommend, "Team of Rivals - The Political Genius of Abraham Lincoln by Doris Kearns Goodwin.

Meticulously research and covers what happened up to 30 years before, The Civil War. I found her books to be detailed and thoroughly fascinating.

[justjim]

Two weeks from today is Election Day! To be sure all the hateful and negative ads have likely influenced our behavior. I for one are sick of them.

[Rockyrd]

I recommend, "Team of Rivals - The Political Genius of Abraham Lincoln by Doris Kearns Goodwin.

Meticulously research and covers what happened up to 30 years before, The Civil War. I found her books to be detailed and thoroughly fascinating.

She is great. My favorite....THE BULLY PULPIT.

Any fan of history will love her, and frankly she is a breath of fresh air when she appears on one of the talk shows.