Are Elections Rigged?

[rubicon]

History records that in 1876 that Rutherford Hayes/ aka Rutherfraud Hays stole the election from Samuel Tilden. JFK was reported to have stolen the election from Richard Nixon thanks to the mob. And in the 2000 election Al Gore claimed blacks were discouraged from voting and the ballots unfair causing Hillary Clinton to tell a crowd that Bush had been selected rather than elected. Today's news is tomorrow's history and of late reports of voter fraud have been frequent the latest scandal coming out of Indiana. Further:

The debate commission prohibits anyone other than candidates from the two main parties from participating in the debates, which denies them equal access to the electorate.

Recall as Trump won the primary, instructions were sent out by the GOP establishment that Republicans in elected office must run away from Trump.

Remember that the Department of (In)Justice (DOJ) and the Free Billary from (In)Justice (FBI) gave Clinton a pass on numerous flagrant and blatant criminal acts regarding mishandling classified information and pay-to-play schemes, which maintained her viability as a candidate.

And while Obama’s Department of Homeland Security said last month it may classify the election system as “critical infrastructure” because of the danger that hackers may tamper with (i.e. rig) the elections. The DHS was also a part of the same regime that cleared the table in order to keep Clinton’s election prospects alive.

WikiLeaks exposed that Clinton and DNC operatives have been working with a complicit propaganda media to misreport on Clinton’s health, the disruption of Trump rallies and the Benghazi/email scandal. WikiLeaks also has exposed that the DNC and Clinton campaign conspired to steal the election from Bernie Sanders.

Undercover video shot by Project Veritas shows that the Clinton campaign and DNC funded criminals for the expressed purpose of disrupting Trump rallies and admitted they have been rigging elections “for 50 years” and were intentionally registering illegals to vote. And the criminal heading up the operation was a frequent visitor to Obama in the White House. Meet Bob Creamer, a convicted felon who was paid to rig elections for the Democrat Party. He also visited the White House over 300 times, including repeated meetings with President Obama.

And are you aware that a company connected to George Soros contributed millions of dollars to Clinton, Obama, Black Lives Matter and progressive organizations backing Clinton and Obama and their policies, provide electronic voting machines to 16 states?

Indeed like our monetary system, elections are confidence games. When people lose confidence in the system, the system will collapse. The system only has legitimacy as long as the people believe it has legitimacy You’re darn right it’s rigged. and we haven't even discussed the Electoral College

(Information provided by an article appearing in Personal Liberty Bob Livingston 10/21/16)

Personal Best Regards:

[MDLNB]

I believe that to some extent, the election process is corrupt. Not necessarily rigged, but corrupt. There is plenty of evidence that some voters vote more than once, illegals or foreigners vote and even cases of dead voters. Probably not enough to sway the course of the election, unless it is close. There should not be ANY election corruption. We are a model for other countries and we should have a totally corruption free election. Democrats are the only ones that are worried about a voter ID law. Federal law mandates that ONLY American citizens can vote in our elections. Therefore, it is not asking too much that one provide proof that they are an American Citizen, either when they register or by some means at the polls. The honor system can not be expected to work any better than you could expect the honor system when alcohol is purchased.

[Rockyrd]

History records that in 1876 that Rutherford Hayes/ aka Rutherfraud Hays stole the election from Samuel Tilden. JFK was reported to have stolen the election from Richard Nixon thanks to the mob. And in the 2000 election Al Gore claimed blacks were discouraged from voting and the ballots unfair causing Hillary Clinton to tell a crowd that Bush had been selected rather than elected. Today's news is tomorrow's history and of late reports of voter fraud have been frequent the latest scandal coming out of Indiana. Further:

The debate commission prohibits anyone other than candidates from the two main parties from participating in the debates, which denies them equal access to the electorate.

Recall as Trump won the primary, instructions were sent out by the GOP establishment that Republicans in elected office must run away from Trump.

Remember that the Department of (In)Justice (DOJ) and the Free Billary from (In)Justice (FBI) gave Clinton a pass on numerous flagrant and blatant criminal acts regarding mishandling classified information and pay-to-play schemes, which maintained her viability as a candidate.

And while Obama’s Department of Homeland Security said last month it may classify the election system as “critical infrastructure” because of the danger that hackers may tamper with (i.e. rig) the elections. The DHS was also a part of the same regime that cleared the table in order to keep Clinton’s election prospects alive.

WikiLeaks exposed that Clinton and DNC operatives have been working with a complicit propaganda media to misreport on Clinton’s health, the disruption of Trump rallies and the Benghazi/email scandal. WikiLeaks also has exposed that the DNC and Clinton campaign conspired to steal the election from Bernie Sanders.

Undercover video shot by Project Veritas shows that the Clinton campaign and DNC funded criminals for the expressed purpose of disrupting Trump rallies and admitted they have been rigging elections “for 50 years” and were intentionally registering illegals to vote. And the criminal heading up the operation was a frequent visitor to Obama in the White House. Meet Bob Creamer, a convicted felon who was paid to rig elections for the Democrat Party. He also visited the White House over 300 times, including repeated meetings with President Obama.

And are you aware that a company connected to George Soros contributed millions of dollars to Clinton, Obama, Black Lives Matter and progressive organizations backing Clinton and Obama and their policies, provide electronic voting machines to 16 states?

Indeed like our monetary system, elections are confidence games. When people lose confidence in the system, the system will collapse. The system only has legitimacy as long as the people believe it has legitimacy You’re darn right it’s rigged. and we haven't even discussed the Electoral College

(Information provided by an article appearing in Personal Liberty Bob Livingston 10/21/16)

Personal Best Regards:

Wow...you have ompletely and totally bought in to the Breitbart way, conspiracy theories and all. Shame.

There is a reason that in this huge county only one newspaper endorsed Trump......THE NATIONAL ENQUIRER.

[MDLNB]

Wow...you have ompletely and totally bought in to the Breitbart way, conspiracy theories and all. Shame.

There is a reason that in this huge county only one newspaper endorsed Trump......THE NATIONAL ENQUIRER.

Are you trying to tell us that the National Enquirer is the ONLY newspaper that is NOT owned by SOROS?

Proof that Trump was right when he spoke at the Al Smith dinner the other night.

[Allegiance]

Well, please define rigged.

Is rigged the media misrepresenting some facts and hiding other facts?

Is rigged illegal aliens voting?

Is rigged felons, without voting rights voting?

Is dead people voting rigged?

Is rigged not requiring a simple voter ID?

Is rigged a governor abusing his power to mass grant felons voting rights?

Is rigged foreign monies pouring in to the election?

You may agree it's "rigged" or not but all above seem to favor the Democrat.

Interesting!

[MDLNB]

Well, please define rigged.

Is rigged the media misrepresenting some facts and hiding other facts?

Is rigged illegal aliens voting?

Is rigged felons, without voting rights voting?

Is dead people voting rigged?

Is rigged not requiring a simple voter ID?

Is rigged a governor abusing his power to mass grant felons voting rights?

Is rigged foreign monies pouring in to the election?

You may agree it's "rigged" or not but all above seem to favor the Democrat.

Interesting!

Can't argue with that. :thumbup:

[Allegiance]

I forgot to add, when a sitting president devotes nearly all of his time and policy decisions (including mosul) to helping one candidate, is that rigged?

[ColdNoMore]

Only crybaby losers constantly talk about something being 'rigged'...when they lose.

Trump's entire career has embraced this philosophy...so who really thinks it will change?

Especially when he loses to a woman. :thumbup:

[billethkid]

Well, please define rigged.

Is rigged the media misrepresenting some facts and hiding other facts?

Is rigged illegal aliens voting?

Is rigged felons, without voting rights voting?

Is dead people voting rigged?

Is rigged not requiring a simple voter ID?

Is rigged a governor abusing his power to mass grant felons voting rights?

Is rigged foreign monies pouring in to the election?

You may agree it's "rigged" or not but all above seem to favor the Democrat.

Interesting!

Rigged does not have to mean the voting itself is somehow involved, although there is evidence there is some.

I think the above post is a good start on the list of realities that do infact influence/support/rig the process.

How can the media for example highlight only negatives of Trump and covertly ignore any and all negatives involving Clinton?

The media just like Washington is controlled by the establishment (both R & D).

And at this point in time in their experience the establishment, the crony, lifetime job holders, politics as ususal way of life/existence, special interest, minority groups freebies is being threatened by an outsider.

[MDLNB]

Only crybaby losers constantly talk about something being 'rigged'...when they lose.

Trump's entire career has embraced this philosophy...so who really thinks it will change?

Especially when he loses to a woman. :thumbup:

So, I will assume you had the same thoughts about Hillary when she complained about the election being rigged for the two years following having her @ss handed to her by Obama?

[MDLNB]

George Soros has ties to over 30 major news outlets | America's Watchtower (https://americaswatchtower.com/2011/05/12/george-soros-has-ties-to-over-30-major-news-outlets/)

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[rubicon]

So far most posters share my meaning. Clearly the progressives desire an international community. While it is reasonable to work and get along with your international neighbors it does not mean that we have to lose our identity as a sovereign nation.

Consider that the disdain for religion by radical progressives is because religious people have a conscience and thus thinking for themselves as respects the social justice agenda. If you are bent on total control you can't have individuals thinking for themselves, you need collectives and this is where the liberal media comes in as that "Master Switch"turning on their truth and turning off the real truth

The War of Independence, The War of 1812 were fought to remove authority from Britain and the Civil War to continue to keep this nation united. Now we find progressives and so called Republicans in bed with the likes of George Soros and his ilk. why because they desire to be a part of the aristocracy/aka political ruling class.

So Trump is right;albeit it could be more tactful and insightful in explaining the why and the who.

Look at the regulation and policies enacted over the last 50 years. Most of them unnecessary, unwanted or plain overkill and meant to keep the Hoi Polli in line. Nine unelected attorneys make decision on abortion, same sex marriage, etc and yes even on religion without one idota of thought as to the affect it will have on our society. The EPA Fed, etc act like another branch of government and the IRS, DOJ and FBI have lost all credibility. The system is corrupt to the core. While I would never invoke a physical revolution we do need a populist revolution of word and actions that demonstrate beyond a doubt that we will no longer be ignored and taken for granted.

The best manner to do so is to shrink big government and return the rights of states to states. the power grab continues and our freedoms further restrict.

Personal Best Regards:

[MDLNB]

So far most posters share my meaning. Clearly the progressives desire an international community. While it is reasonable to work and get along with your international neighbors it does not mean that we have to lose our identity as a sovereign nation.

Consider that the disdain for religion by radical progressives is because religious people have a conscience and thus thinking for themselves as respects the social justice agenda. If you are bent on total control you can't have individuals thinking for themselves, you need collectives and this is where the liberal media comes in as that "Master Switch"turning on their truth and turning off the real truth

The War of Independence, The War of 1812 were fought to remove authority from Britain and the Civil War to continue to keep this nation united. Now we find progressives and so called Republicans in bed with the likes of George Soros and his ilk. why because they desire to be a part of the aristocracy/aka political ruling class.

So Trump is right;albeit it could be more tactful and insightful in explaining the why and the who.

Look at the regulation and policies enacted over the last 50 years. Most of them unnecessary, unwanted or plain overkill and meant to keep the Hoi Polli in line. Nine unelected attorneys make decision on abortion, same sex marriage, etc and yes even on religion without one idota of thought as to the affect it will have on our society. The EPA Fed, etc act like another branch of government and the IRS, DOJ and FBI have lost all credibility. The system is corrupt to the core. While I would never invoke a physical revolution we do need a populist revolution of word and actions that demonstrate beyond a doubt that we will no longer be ignored and taken for granted.

The best manner to do so is to shrink big government and return the rights of states to states. the power grab continues and our freedoms further restrict.

Personal Best Regards:

Good post!

[Rockyrd]

So far most posters share my meaning. Clearly the progressives desire an international community. While it is reasonable to work and get along with your international neighbors it does not mean that we have to lose our identity as a sovereign nation.

Consider that the disdain for religion by radical progressives is because religious people have a conscience and thus thinking for themselves as respects the social justice agenda. If you are bent on total control you can't have individuals thinking for themselves, you need collectives and this is where the liberal media comes in as that "Master Switch"turning on their truth and turning off the real truth

The War of Independence, The War of 1812 were fought to remove authority from Britain and the Civil War to continue to keep this nation united. Now we find progressives and so called Republicans in bed with the likes of George Soros and his ilk. why because they desire to be a part of the aristocracy/aka political ruling class.

So Trump is right;albeit it could be more tactful and insightful in explaining the why and the who.

Look at the regulation and policies enacted over the last 50 years. Most of them unnecessary, unwanted or plain overkill and meant to keep the Hoi Polli in line. Nine unelected attorneys make decision on abortion, same sex marriage, etc and yes even on religion without one idota of thought as to the affect it will have on our society. The EPA Fed, etc act like another branch of government and the IRS, DOJ and FBI have lost all credibility. The system is corrupt to the core. While I would never invoke a physical revolution we do need a populist revolution of word and actions that demonstrate beyond a doubt that we will no longer be ignored and taken for granted.

The best manner to do so is to shrink big government and return the rights of states to states. the power grab continues and our freedoms further restrict.

Personal Best Regards:

Curious how you feel about another country, not an ally, hacking our computers and.....

Neither party really raises a fuss.

ONE PARTY embraces this action and uses it daily, even when it is altered.

I was, and stress was.....a Republican and now am a bit ashamed that my party is reveling in and using an illegal act by Russia on a daily basis as if it were simply a every day action.

[MDLNB]

Curious how you feel about another country, not an ally, hacking our computers and.....

Neither party really raises a fuss.

ONE PARTY embraces this action and uses it daily, even when it is altered.

I was, and stress was.....a Republican and now am a bit ashamed that my party is reveling in and using an illegal act by Russia on a daily basis as if it were simply a every day action.

B.S.!

There is NO/NO evidence that the email has been altered and none of the Democrats have denied that the emails were theirs. Just because the evidence was obtained by questionable means, does not make it less incriminating. Laws and ethics were violated and the embarrassed parties have been caught with their hands in the cookie jar.

The recording of Trump's private conversation was done without his permission, making it obtained illegally. Apparently, he has not denied the recording was real and I have not heard anyone suggest that it was obtained illegally. Even though it was.

Time for the left to quit crying about their emails being obtained illegally and own up to their lack of ethics and morality as portrayed by their own written evidence. It was easy for them to throw stones at Trump, but they act injured by accusations against them.

A dead body obtained by an illegal search does not make that body any less dead and it is still evidence of a crime committed.

If you are ashamed of the Republican party, I wonder how you feel about the evidence proving that the Democrats in the Hillary campaign are corrupt and closet bigots, racists.

[Taltarzac725]

Curious how you feel about another country, not an ally, hacking our computers and.....

Neither party really raises a fuss.

ONE PARTY embraces this action and uses it daily, even when it is altered.

I was, and stress was.....a Republican and now am a bit ashamed that my party is reveling in and using an illegal act by Russia on a daily basis as if it were simply a every day action.


This is deeply troubling. And I assume that the FBI has looked already at many of these e-mails if they are still on the system somewhere where the FBI could have found them.

Hillary Clinton did mess up with her handling of the e-mails. We should move on as that has been thoroughly investigated by pretty much everyone whom the Republicans could get to investigate it.

Trump would be rigging a kangaroo court if he went after Hillary Clinton yet again on these e-mails and would make us even look more foolish.

[villagerjack]

Curious how you feel about another country, not an ally, hacking our computers and.....

Neither party really raises a fuss.

ONE PARTY embraces this action and uses it daily, even when it is altered.

I was, and stress was.....a Republican and now am a bit ashamed that my party is reveling in and using an illegal act by Russia on a daily basis as if it were simply a every day action.

Why would Putin want Trump as President when hewalks all over Obama and walked all over Clinton when she was Secretary of State?

[villagerjack]

Joe De Genova said it best " Coney is a dirty cop"

[MDLNB]

Why would Putin want Trump as President when hewalks all over Obama and walked all over Clinton when she was Secretary of State?

The Democrats are working with Putin to pin it on Trump. This is just as true as them attempting to pin collusion between Trump and Putin. It's called PSYOPS. Putin makes Trump look culpable or complicit in the email hacks, therefore making Trump the villain and Hillary the victim.

[MDLNB]

Joe De Genova said it best " Coney is a dirty cop"

:agree:

[Rockyrd]

So, it seems the consensus is that it is fine for a foreign country to hack our emails, make them public...UNLESS those are going to hurt our guy. Got it.

This is Russia hacking emails...has nothing to do with Clinton servers...hacking private emails, making them public and then used by one party to try and win an election.

I am hearing all you people say that is just fine with you..a FOREIGN country.

Then in other posts praise that Veritas group who criminally altered tapes, while being hired and paid for by the Trump foundation.

Amazing logic, but that is what you folks are saying.

[Allegiance]

The NY times said they would pay to have someone provide them trumps tax returns illegally.

They actually got some and published them.


Is the fbi investigating?


What the wiki did show is that the system is rigged

State department
FBI
Media
All of it!

[MDLNB]

So, it seems the consensus is that it is fine for a foreign country to hack our emails, make them public...UNLESS those are going to hurt our guy. Got it.

This is Russia hacking emails...has nothing to do with Clinton servers...hacking private emails, making them public and then used by one party to try and win an election.

I am hearing all you people say that is just fine with you..a FOREIGN country.

Then in other posts praise that Veritas group who criminally altered tapes, while being hired and paid for by the Trump foundation.

Amazing logic, but that is what you folks are saying.

Typical liberal to take something out of context OR twist what one says to suit their agenda. No one said it was OK for Russia or anyone else to hack our systems. No one, not even fellow Americans hacking is "OK." But, you go ahead on your rant like a small child and maybe even add a "hate" accusation in for effect.

On the other hand, we have a radical left candidate that criminally violated national security and has the FBI and AG in her pocket. She also deleted tens of thousands of her emails that were evidence, after being subpoenaed. Were we supposed to take her word for it that there was nothing there to see? Would anyone believe the extent of her corruption, if not for the hacking?

I think that you should back up and regroup. You are the one that is supporting a felonious criminal. Don't blame Russia or Trump for what Hillary is responsible for.

[Rockyrd]

Typical liberal to take something out of context OR twist what one says to suit their agenda. No one said it was OK for Russia or anyone else to hack our systems. No one, not even fellow Americans hacking is "OK." But, you go ahead on your rant like a small child and maybe even add a "hate" accusation in for effect.

On the other hand, we have a radical left candidate that criminally violated national security and has the FBI and AG in her pocket. She also deleted tens of thousands of her emails that were evidence, after being subpoenaed. Were we supposed to take her word for it that there was nothing there to see? Would anyone believe the extent of her corruption, if not for the hacking?

I think that you should back up and regroup. You are the one that is supporting a felonious criminal. Don't blame Russia or Trump for what Hillary is responsible for.

Wow..my question was simple. It was about the Russians hacking private emails, not Clinton but private emails. Then those emails, some altered by the hackers being used by one party for attacks with NO condemnation of the hacking.

Responses were about Clinton emails which are not related at all. Or about the tapes, proven altered and criminally obtained paid for from a charitable foundation...a comment about NY Times offering money for Trump tax returns, which I never head before, and a comment that they have them.. Nobidy has seen Trumps tax returns,

Again, is it ok for a foreign government like Russia to havk private emails, and one party to use those stolen emails daily in their campaig ?

[MDLNB]

Wow..my question was simple. It was about the Russians hacking private emails, not Clinton but private emails. BS! Then those emails, some altered by the hackers being used by one party for attacks with NO condemnation of the hacking. AND MORE BS!

Responses were about Clinton emails which are not related at all. Or about the tapes, proven altered and criminally obtained paid for from a charitable foundation...a comment about NY Times offering money for Trump tax returns, which I never head before, and a comment that they have them.. Nobidy has seen Trumps tax returns,

Again, is it ok for a foreign government like Russia to havk private emails, and one party to use those stolen emails daily in their campaig ?

Like I said, B.S.! Not even worthy of more consideration in my response.

[Rockyrd]

Like I said, B.S.! Not even worthy of more consideration in my response.

Fine..In your opinion it is fine

[Chi-Town]

Wouldn't one think that a successful businessnan would have a leg up when it came to understanding the hows if a rigged system? All this talking of the election being rigged is just preparation for the exit interview.

[MDLNB]

Fine..In your opinion it is fine

Have it your way. You aren't my 13 year old grand daughter are you? You sound just like her.

[MDLNB]

I wonder if Bernie thinks the system was rigged. Those evil emails sure seemed to indicate some collusion going on. Debbie didn't get fired for doing a great job, I'm sure.

[Rockyrd]

Have it your way. You aren't my 13 year old grand daughter are you? You sound just like her.

If my granddad had the same response to questions.....BS.....then I would say that is great.

If i were her, I would stop asking you any intelligent questions.

When you respond BS, and that is it....well, then you have nothing to add then you must agree

BUT, Trump walks away when he is uncomfortable with the question as well so .....

[billethkid]

Wouldn't one think that a successful businessnan would have a leg up when it came to understanding the hows if a rigged system? All this talking of the election being rigged is just preparation for the exit interview.

Of course he does!
And so does anybody else with half a brain and some research and thinking ability.

Rigged election language back in 2007/2008 when the Obamas were whinning about it was/is OK. Of course it was/is...they are democrats!!

[Rockyrd]

Are you trying to tell us that the National Enquirer is the ONLY newspaper that is NOT owned by SOROS?

Proof that Trump was right when he spoke at the Al Smith dinner the other night.

Sorry...was behind in reading and missed this....

"In the latest edition of the KKK’s official newspaper, “the Crusader,” the one with a picture of Donald Trump gracing the cover, the editors gave Donald J. Trump a “glowing endorsement” and support for his candidacy and promised that Trump is finally bringing about “a resurgence of white supremacy.”

"the point is that Trump has incited the white supremacist sect in America and now that he is their champion, he can stop the pretense that he is not a white supremacist that fits perfectly with the KKK mold. This endorsement should not be a surprise because barely two weeks ago the editor of the white supremacist website Daily Stormer, Andrew Anglin, told the Los Angeles Times that “Virtually every alt-right Nazi I know is volunteering for the Trump campaign.”

Donald Trump Finally Wins a Newspaper Endorsement - From the KKK (http://www.politicususa.com/2016/10/21/donald-trump-finally-wins-newspaper-endorsement-kkk.html)

Sorry I missed this important and long worked for endorsement

[MDLNB]

If my granddad had the same response to questions.....BS.....then I would say that is great.

If i were her, I would stop asking you any intelligent questions.

When you respond BS, and that is it....well, then you have nothing to add then you must agree

BUT, Trump walks away when he is uncomfortable with the question as well so .....

Do you really want to go there? Hillary has avoided answering more questions than OJ Simpson. Even on the last debate, she refused to answer questions and went off on a diatribe dedicated to another subject. Get real.

But, when you reply to a comment that someone posts with a teenage girl answer, I just say it as I see it. B.S!

[Rockyrd]

Do you really want to go there? Hillary has avoided answering more questions than OJ Simpson. Even on the last debate, she refused to answer questions and went off on a diatribe dedicated to another subject. Get real.

But, when you reply to a comment that someone posts with a teenage girl answer, I just say it as I see it. B.S!

You are VERY confused, among other things.

I ASKED the question about your comfort level on Russians hacking private emails (unrelated to Clinton) and in some cases altering them, and thosenstolen private emails being used by ONE SINGLE party and campaign.

All of that is factually true.

Your response was.....

BS

I avoided no question.

[MDLNB]

You are VERY confused, among other things.

I ASKED the question about your comfort level on Russians hacking private emails (unrelated to Clinton) and in some cases altering them, and thosenstolen private emails being used by ONE SINGLE party and campaign.

All of that is factually true.

Your response was.....

BS

I avoided no question.

Friend, with all due respect if you wish to get snarky, that's totally up to you. You did not like my answer because it was not one that you were expecting, so you got all huffy like a little girl and responded like one. That's fine, but don't forum stalk me and think that you are going to get the better of me. Because the only way you could would be if I cared. I don't, so go play your little girl games on facebook or with the other kids.

Next time you wish an answer from me, ask civilly and I will respond in kind. If you then don't like or agree with my reply, simply say so but don't try to put words in my mouth. That is why I called you antics, childish.

[dirtbanker]

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Again, is it ok for a foreign government like Russia to havk private emails, and one party to use those stolen emails daily in their campaig ?

I am glad whoever is hacking the emails made them public, I would have had no idea most of these things were being done behind my back. I am mad at the people we trusted (when we elected them) for doing this absolute corrupt behavior.

But, that is just me.

[dirtbanker]

....and in some cases altering them...

What evidence do you have any of the emails where altered?

Did Hillary say so?? The same Hillary that said she never used her server for classified emails, said she had no idea what happened to 33,000 emails, said she never took donations from foreign countries while she was Sec of State??

[Rockyrd]

I am glad whoever is hacking the emails made them public, I would have had no idea most of these things were being done behind my back. I am mad at the people we trusted (when we elected them) for doing this absolute corrupt behavior.

But, that is just me.

You do realize...

1. ONLY ONE party has been hacked and ONLY ONE party has these emails made public.

Are you so naive that you think emails not hacked and not released from the other side are all peaches and cream ? Do you really in your heart think that this kind of thing AND WORSE occur within the other party ? You cannot actually believe this

2. You do understand that the hacking and choice of who to hack and disclose was done by the RUSSIANS ? You are aware that just based on what you posted the Russians have some control over our electoral system ?

It, to me anyway, is shocking how blasé some like you are about this.

[Rockyrd]

What evidence do you have any of the emails where altered?

Did Hillary say so?? The same Hillary that said she never used her server for classified emails, said she had no idea what happened to 33,000 emails, said she never took donations from foreign countries while she was Sec of State??

"New evidence is emerging that content from the DNC emails accessed by Russian hackers may have been altered before being released to Wikileaks. This added layer of information joined with the timing of the release and Trump’s cozy relationship with Putin paint a picture of deep collusion and planning aimed at fracturing any potential Democratic unity at the most crucial point in the 2016 presidential election cycle.

Thomas Rid at Motherboard Vice reported on the discovery this morning:"

"The metadata show that the Russian operators apparently edited some documents, and in some cases created new documents after the intruders were already expunged from the DNC network on June 11. A file called donors.xls, for instance, was created more than a day after the story came out, on June 15, most likely by copy-pasting an existing list into a clean document.

Although so far the actual content of the leaked documents appears not to have been tampered with, manipulation would fit an established pattern of operational behaviour in other contexts, such as troll farms or planting fake media stories. Subtle (or not so subtle) manipulation of content may be in the interest of the adversary in the future. Documents that were leaked by or through an intelligence operation should be handled with great care, and journalists should not simply treat them as reliable sources."
Russian Hackers Altered Emails Before Release to Wikileaks (http://www.peacock-panache.com/2016/07/russian-hackers-emails-wikileaks-23928.html)

Prove anything beyond a shadow of a doubt..of course not.

But you do know they are shared within hours of release with no context.

And most alarming is your non concern for the act itself, that you would be concerned more about what Clinton said or didnypt say.

Why does not the sheer act of Russia stealing and attempting to sway your vote concern you ?

[dirtbanker]

You do realize...

1. ONLY ONE party has been hacked and ONLY ONE party has these emails made public.

Are you so naive that you think emails not hacked and not released from the other side are all peaches and cream ? Do you really in your heart think that this kind of thing AND WORSE occur within the other party ? You cannot actually believe this

Sounds like you are questioning yourself hear, I did not say or infer anything of the kind. I said I was mad that these people we elected betrayed our trust. appears you are mad it was your party that got put on display.




2. You do understand that the hacking and choice of who to hack and disclose was done by the RUSSIANS ? You are aware that just based on what you posted the Russians have some control over our electoral system ?


I am not certain who did the hacking, don't care either. Again; I am mad at those elected that betrayed us all


It, to me anyway, is shocking how blasé some like you are about this.

I am shocked your outraged at the hackers and not outraged at those that have betrayed the trust we gave them thru election. We did not entrust the hackers, the hackers did not betray us.

Another thing evident; these hackers have shown how those entrusted with our national security have been foolish with internet security. Too busy campaigning for their party the last 1 1/2 years...absolute B.S.

[dirtbanker]

Russian Hackers Altered Emails Before Release to Wikileaks (http://www.peacock-panache.com/2016/07/russian-hackers-emails-wikileaks-23928.html)

I am unable to view your link, I find the webpage offensive.
Enjoy your weird life style, PLEASE don't bother to converse with me anymore - I will not respond. YUCK!

[Rockyrd]

Sounds like you are questioning yourself hear, I did not say or infer anything of the kind. I said I was mad that these people we elected betrayed our trust. appears you are mad it was your party that got put on display.





I am not certain who did the hacking, don't care either. Again; I am mad at those elected that betrayed us all



I am shocked your outraged at the hackers and not outraged at those that have betrayed the trust we gave them thru election. We did not entrust the hackers, the hackers did not betray us.

Another thing evident; these hackers have shown how those entrusted with our national security have been foolish with internet security. Too busy campaigning for their party the last 1 1/2 years...absolute B.S.

You do understand that the hacking was of A POLITICAL PARTY...NOT THE US GOVT.

I assume you then think your party does not discuss the same things and would never do such things.

The Russian government is attempting to "rig" our election...I could care less what side.....I do not want the Russians inside and swaying votes.

[Cedwards38]

I do not believe elections are rigged, or else corporations and rich political donors would not spend so much money to influence public opinion. Bought maybe, but not rigged.

[MDLNB]

I have yet to hear Hillary or any other member deny the content of the emails. They have suggested that maybe they could be altered, but they did not show where they were altered. They can't. If they tell us where they were altered, then they have to admit they sent those and they are in fact their hacked emails.

Liberals are upset because someone opened the door to the sausage factory and revealed how someone is making sausage with rats and mice.

Perhaps the Republican side has been hacked also but there is not enough juicy stuff in the emails to warrant exposure. Maybe the Republicans are less corrupt so there is nothing to see.

The fact is that Hillary and team are corrupt and unethical as well as criminal, and liberals won't even hold them accountable. When Trump's recording came out that was over a decade old, many Republicans turned their back on him and disavowed him. Guess you won't see that with liberals.

[Allegiance]

Scum donna brazile actually has nerve to say it's doctored,

DNC boss Brazile claims WikiLeaks emails 'doctored' in contentious interview | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/20/dnc-boss-brazile-claims-wikileaks-emails-doctored-in-contentious-interview.html)

[janmcn]

Well, please define rigged.

Is rigged the media misrepresenting some facts and hiding other facts?

Is rigged illegal aliens voting?

Is rigged felons, without voting rights voting?

Is dead people voting rigged?

Is rigged not requiring a simple voter ID?

Is rigged a governor abusing his power to mass grant felons voting rights?

Is rigged foreign monies pouring in to the election?

You may agree it's "rigged" or not but all above seem to favor the Democrat.

Interesting!


Is rigged having the governor of Florida, Jeb Bush, and Katherine Harris, sec of state, making sure that Bush's brother got elected? We all know how well that worked out. You know, the guy that left office with a 22% job approval rating.

It was only fitting that Jeb got exactly three votes when he ran for president. What goes around, comes around. Did he really think that Americans would forget those disastrous eight years or the condition his brother left the country in?

[dave harris]

History records that in 1876 that Rutherford Hayes/ aka Rutherfraud Hays stole the election from Samuel Tilden. JFK was reported to have stolen the election from Richard Nixon thanks to the mob. And in the 2000 election Al Gore claimed blacks were discouraged from voting and the ballots unfair causing Hillary Clinton to tell a crowd that Bush had been selected rather than elected. Today's news is tomorrow's history and of late reports of voter fraud have been frequent the latest scandal coming out of Indiana. Further:

The debate commission prohibits anyone other than candidates from the two main parties from participating in the debates, which denies them equal access to the electorate.

Recall as Trump won the primary, instructions were sent out by the GOP establishment that Republicans in elected office must run away from Trump.

Remember that the Department of (In)Justice (DOJ) and the Free Billary from (In)Justice (FBI) gave Clinton a pass on numerous flagrant and blatant criminal acts regarding mishandling classified information and pay-to-play schemes, which maintained her viability as a candidate.

And while Obama’s Department of Homeland Security said last month it may classify the election system as “critical infrastructure” because of the danger that hackers may tamper with (i.e. rig) the elections. The DHS was also a part of the same regime that cleared the table in order to keep Clinton’s election prospects alive.

WikiLeaks exposed that Clinton and DNC operatives have been working with a complicit propaganda media to misreport on Clinton’s health, the disruption of Trump rallies and the Benghazi/email scandal. WikiLeaks also has exposed that the DNC and Clinton campaign conspired to steal the election from Bernie Sanders.

Undercover video shot by Project Veritas shows that the Clinton campaign and DNC funded criminals for the expressed purpose of disrupting Trump rallies and admitted they have been rigging elections “for 50 years” and were intentionally registering illegals to vote. And the criminal heading up the operation was a frequent visitor to Obama in the White House. Meet Bob Creamer, a convicted felon who was paid to rig elections for the Democrat Party. He also visited the White House over 300 times, including repeated meetings with President Obama.

And are you aware that a company connected to George Soros contributed millions of dollars to Clinton, Obama, Black Lives Matter and progressive organizations backing Clinton and Obama and their policies, provide electronic voting machines to 16 states?

Indeed like our monetary system, elections are confidence games. When people lose confidence in the system, the system will collapse. The system only has legitimacy as long as the people believe it has legitimacy You’re darn right it’s rigged. and we haven't even discussed the Electoral College

(Information provided by an article appearing in Personal Liberty Bob Livingston 10/21/16)

Personal Best Regards:

Yes elections are rigged, aliens from outer space come in the middle of the night and vote by the billions. therefore tipping the scales. Trump will win Nov. 28, 2016 by a landslide. An alien in an interview said the alien homeland need a big laugh.

[Allegiance]

I hate all the bush politicans , more so the sons. That scum jeb went to work for the wall Street firm that had the Florida contract.

Yes that was fixed, just like the Bush family is currently trying to fix it against trump.

[rubicon]

Curious how you feel about another country, not an ally, hacking our computers and.....

Neither party really raises a fuss.

ONE PARTY embraces this action and uses it daily, even when it is altered.

I was, and stress was.....a Republican and now am a bit ashamed that my party is reveling in and using an illegal act by Russia on a daily basis as if it were simply a every day action.

Dear Guest: What I believe is that our news media print, radio, television,etc is so corrupt and left leaning that its alleged our enemies that are streaming the truth to us. My God we received more factual information from so called enemy nations than we have our own FBI , IRS and DOJ. Forget the alphabet stations both news and entertaining divisions because they block the truth and push a radical progressive agenda. It was a hacker that first exposed Hillary's personal server. and after the dust settled with all the denials coming from Hillary, Obama and the Obama Administration we discovered that all of those alleged deleted e-mails had been sitting on the NSA's servers all along and still no one to my knowledge has asked the NSA to turn them over

I am not enamored with Trump but its clear Hillary's a dangerous choice and would create irreparable damage to our Constitution and hence our way of life.

One final thought it is still ALLEGED that the Russians are hacking the DNC but we the so called experts don't know that for a fact. The DNC would like it to be the Russians for effect well actually they would like it to be Trump but even their devious minds can't concoct a believable story

Personal Best Regards:

[MDLNB]

Dear Guest: What I believe is that our news media print, radio, television,etc is so corrupt and left leaning that its alleged our enemies that are streaming the truth to us. My God we received more factual information from so called enemy nations than we have our own FBI , IRS and DOJ. Forget the alphabet stations both news and entertaining divisions because they block the truth and push a radical progressive agenda. It was a hacker that first exposed Hillary's personal server. and after the dust settled with all the denials coming from Hillary, Obama and the Obama Administration we discovered that all of those alleged deleted e-mails had been sitting on the NSA's servers all along and still no one to my knowledge has asked the NSA to turn them over

I am not enamored with Trump but its clear Hillary's a dangerous choice and would create irreparable damage to our Constitution and hence our way of life.

One final thought it is still ALLEGED that the Russians are hacking the DNC but we the so called experts don't know that for a fact. The DNC would like it to be the Russians for effect well actually they would like it to be Trump but even their devious minds can't concoct a believable story

Personal Best Regards:

Good post.

[rubicon]

Yes elections are rigged, aliens from outer space come in the middle of the night and vote by the billions. therefore tipping the scales. Trump will win Nov. 28, 2016 by a landslide. An alien in an interview said the alien homeland need a big laugh.

Dear Guest: Just because one never witnessed evidence of aliens doesn't mean that possibly don't exist. I mean just look at the new discoveries of species found in earth's oceans....but that's another thread.

In my view the evidence is over whelming that the liberal news media, the establishment, the lobbyists, and especially the political ruling class will do anything to maintain their riches, power and prestige.

Trump recently laid out his 100 day plan and its exactly what his country needs starting with introducing congressional term limits.

Personal Best Regards:

[ColdNoMore]

I am not enamored with Trump but its clear Hillary's a dangerous choice and would create irreparable damage to our Constitution and hence our way of life.

The real potential damage to this great nation is electing a thin-skinned, irrational, racist & misogynist...who so easily let's his emotions run out of control (re: 3:00 AM tweets slamming a beauty contestant). :oops:






One final thought it is still ALLEGED that the Russians are hacking the DNC but we the so called experts don't know that for a fact. The DNC would like it to be the Russians for effect well actually they would like it to be Trump but even their devious minds can't concoct a believable story

Personal Best Regards:

Oh puhleeze, even Pence (who has had the same briefings as Chump)...acknowledges it's the Russians. :oops:

Those who claim to be concerned about the future of this nation, should ask themselves why they are so comfortable with the Russians hacking into private e-mails...and why does Putin want Trump as POTUS so badly?

Is anyone really still ignorant enough to believe, that it's because they think Trump will make 'better deals' with Russia...and will keep them in line?

Are you really that dumb and foment that much hate? Rhetorical question of course. :ohdear:

And I suppose it is just a coincidence and a big heart on their part, that another traitor (Snowden) found asylum in Russia?

The right is so flaming hypocritical, that they have no problem with treason and espionage against our country...as long as it is directed toward their hated Hillary.

If Wikileaks were releasing private e-mails from Trump (speaking of which, why is it that it's only Clinton's e-mails?)...people on the right would be shrieking and calling for "bombing the $hit out of Russia."

A perfect display of the disgusting and flaming hypocrisy...so prevalent on the right. :boom:

[Rockyrd]

Dear Guest: What I believe is that our news media print, radio, television,etc is so corrupt and left leaning that its alleged our enemies that are streaming the truth to us. My God we received more factual information from so called enemy nations than we have our own FBI , IRS and DOJ. Forget the alphabet stations both news and entertaining divisions because they block the truth and push a radical progressive agenda. It was a hacker that first exposed Hillary's personal server. and after the dust settled with all the denials coming from Hillary, Obama and the Obama Administration we discovered that all of those alleged deleted e-mails had been sitting on the NSA's servers all along and still no one to my knowledge has asked the NSA to turn them over

I am not enamored with Trump but its clear Hillary's a dangerous choice and would create irreparable damage to our Constitution and hence our way of life.

One final thought it is still ALLEGED that the Russians are hacking the DNC but we the so called experts don't know that for a fact. The DNC would like it to be the Russians for effect well actually they would like it to be Trump but even their devious minds can't concoct a believable story

Personal Best Regards:

My oh my, this post scares me.

You are saying the USA media is worse than the Russians or any country hacking into our electoral system. That is truely remarkable.

I suggest you adjust your tin foil hat, and learn that media bias has always existed...always. It is not because of or specific to Trump as he has instructed you to believe.

I have no trouble fining news sources that allow both sides. I know where the far right conspiracy theorists get their information, and I know where the far left get their info.

I know how to read and discern facts on my own. Donald Trump, a true stranger to the truth cannot supply it to me.

Carping on the media by he and your ilk is offensive as hell.

Truth is not hard to find...I know who lies.

Please spend your time on the alien problem. Adults in the room search for the truth, read and become informed.

I hope the day never arrives where I depend on a candidate of any party to explain to me the truth.

To justify hacking from outside our borders by repeating the mantra of Donald Trump is actually insulting.

The truth is NOT blocked from me because I want to know it. I want no extremists to decide what it is for me.

This man has lied to all of you for so long, has preached such hatred for everything, you are lost in that "Breitbart world"

But hey, you earned the endorsement officially of the KKK and other hate groups so feel warm and toasty.

[billethkid]

The real potential damage to this great nation is electing a thin-skinned, irrational, racist & misogynist...who so easily let's his emotions run out of control (re: 3:00 AM tweets slamming a beauty contestant). :oops:








Oh puhleeze, even Pence (who has had the same briefings as Chump)...acknowledges it's the Russians. :oops:

Those who claim to be concerned about the future of this nation, should ask themselves why they are so comfortable with the Russians hacking into private e-mails...and why does Putin want Trump as POTUS so badly?

Is anyone really still ignorant enough to believe, that it's because they think Trump will make 'better deals' with Russia...and will keep them in line?

Are you really that dumb and foment that much hate? Rhetorical question of course. :ohdear:

And I suppose it is just a coincidence and a big heart on their part, that another traitor (Snowden) found asylum in Russia?

The right is so flaming hypocritical, that they have no problem with treason and espionage against our country...as long as it is directed toward their hated Hillary.

If Wikileaks were releasing private e-mails from Trump (speaking of which, why is it that it's only Clinton's e-mails?)...people on the right would be shrieking and calling for "bombing the $hit out of Russia."

A perfect display of the disgusting and flaming hypocrisy...so prevalent on the right. :boom:

How about a litany on Clinton using the same caliber microscope?

[Taltarzac725]

How about a litany on Clinton using the same caliber microscope?

What's that about? The e-mails again? The Republicans have investigated that to a tune of millions of dollars. Blog: Taxpayer tab for investigating Hillary: over $20 million (http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/05/taxpayer_tab_for_investigating_hillary_over_20_mil lion.html)

[janmcn]

Trump wants Villagers to head to the most dangerous and crime-ridden neighborhoods of Miami to monitor the election. Who is game?

It is just unfortunate we can't sling our long guns over our shoulders.

We must protect the sanctity of the vote and make sure Trump either wins or loses fair and square.

WIN ONE FOR THE GROPER

[janmcn]

Trump wants Villagers to head to the most dangerous and crime-ridden neighborhoods of Miami to monitor the election. Who is game?

It is just unfortunate we can't sling our long guns over our shoulders.

We must protect the sanctity of the vote and make sure Trump either wins or loses fair and square.

WIN ONE FOR THE GROPER


We must leave a few armed patriots in The Villages to protect residents from the black panthers who show up every four years. Funny how it's only the six-pack that sees them at every polling place.

[Mehlberg]

Sorry but you can't ignore the evidence against this position. Facts in many regards support corruption against term Dems.

[ColdNoMore]

WIN ONE FOR THE GROPER

That is the funniest thing I've read in a long time. :1rotfl: :1rotfl:


EPIC! :bigbow:

[Taltarzac725]

Trump wants Villagers to head to the most dangerous and crime-ridden neighborhoods of Miami to monitor the election. Who is game?

It is just unfortunate we can't sling our long guns over our shoulders.

We must protect the sanctity of the vote and make sure Trump either wins or loses fair and square.

WIN ONE FOR THE GROPER

That's a great line. Donald Trump - Imgflip (https://imgflip.com/i/1c4mac)

[MDLNB]

Of course there is no voter fraud. That's like saying there is such a thing as global warming. There is no proof of either, right?

[TNLAKEPANDA]

Wow...you have ompletely and totally bought in to the Breitbart way, conspiracy theories and all. Shame.

There is a reason that in this huge county only one newspaper endorsed Trump......THE NATIONAL ENQUIRER.

You are a die hard Democrat no doubt and that's ok. I don't understand how you can totally ignore all of the facts about Clinton's past. She has a truly horrible even scary record. You simply never know what is true with her and not much is.

[airstreamingypsy]

I forgot to add, when a sitting president devotes nearly all of his time and policy decisions (including mosul) to helping one candidate, is that rigged?

The President took an oath to keep us safe, keeping Trump out of the White House would qualify as keeping us safe.

[Rockyrd]

The President took an oath to keep us safe, keeping Trump out of the White House would qualify as keeping us safe.

AMEN

As the man who spent so much time with Trump as ghostwriter for "The Art of the Deal" said about a Trump election...

"'I genuinely believe that if Trump wins and gets the nuclear codes there is an excellent possibility it will lead to the end of civilization.'

How about starting a discussion of a real issue and Trumps plans to help the country....I mean non platitudes and real plans

[Allegiance]

Barry has done more harm to our country than anyone ever, his involvement in Hillarys actions, which are greater than Watergate, are also greater than Watergate.

They are both scum as is the media.

[Rockyrd]

Barry has done more harm to our country than anyone ever, his involvement in Hillarys actions, which are greater than Watergate, are also greater than Watergate.

They are both scum as is the media.

Which has what to do with what ?

What specific proposals from Trump do you favor ?

Do you really believe all the media has gotten together and fudged the polls ?

[Allegiance]

Which has what to do with what ?

What specific proposals from Trump do you favor ?

Do you really believe all the media has gotten together and fudged the polls ?
Your previous comments validate my opinion that you are no longer worthy of my responses.

[Whooter]

They are rigged. By Red state legislature that gerrymander to keep the GOP seats safe: by red state governors who try to keep Democrats from voting

[Maxamillion]

They are rigged. By Red state legislature that gerrymander to keep the GOP seats safe: by red state governors who try to keep Democrats from voting Would the GOP do that?
Just about in every state they could and have,

[bunnyhop]

Only crybaby losers constantly talk about something being 'rigged'...when they lose.

Trump's entire career has embraced this philosophy...so who really thinks it will change?

Especially when he loses to a woman. :thumbup:

I agree with you. :-)

[bunnyhop]

The Democrats are working with Putin to pin it on Trump. This is just as true as them attempting to pin collusion between Trump and Putin. It's called PSYOPS. Putin makes Trump look culpable or complicit in the email hacks, therefore making Trump the villain and Hillary the victim.

Oh, please!

[MDLNB]

The President took an oath to keep us safe, keeping Trump out of the White House would qualify as keeping us safe.

Barry should have impeached himself, if he took that oath. Illegal gun sales that ended up in the hands of our enemies. Paying hostage demands, etc. Obama might as well pushed the button, because the damage he has done to our country is probably the same as radioactive poisoning.

[Chi-Town]

Barry should have impeached himself, if he took that oath. Illegal gun sales that ended up in the hands of our enemies. Paying hostage demands, etc. Obama might as well pushed the button, because the damage he has done to our country is probably the same as radioactive poisoning.
Well MD, pretty soon you'll have a new chapter to write about. Life is good.

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[Chi-Town]

Your previous comments validate my opinion that you are no longer worthy of my responses.

C'mon Al. Answer the questions. Don't be thin skinned. If you dish it out you've got to take it.

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[MDLNB]

What's that about? The e-mails again? The Republicans have investigated that to a tune of millions of dollars. Blog: Taxpayer tab for investigating Hillary: over $20 million (http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/05/taxpayer_tab_for_investigating_hillary_over_20_mil lion.html)

Yes, it has cost a lot. Too bad that D.C. is so corrupt that it has been even necessary to investigate Hillary. She should have been in jail a long time ago, saving us a lot of taxpayer money. But, when you have a corrupt administration, taking care of their corrupt own, it's hard to fight it. Thank goodness for the brave ones that have persevered and fought for real justice. She will get away with all her felonies, but at least we know that there are still some half way decent folks representing us. No thanks to the evil and corrupt left. If the Republicans maintain the majority, Hillary will be indicted next year.

[Rockyrd]

C'mon Al. Answer the questions. Don't be thin skinned. If you dish it out you've got to take it.

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It is ok.

He has the right.....unlike his hero, Donald J Trump who thinks the freedom of the press stops when HE is being criticized.

How someone can simply shut off conversation because they have no answer is beyond me, but he is walking the line his hero walks...as his co author says about Trump and seemingly it fits this particular poster...

" it’s impossible to keep him focussed on any topic, other than his own self-aggrandizement, for more than a few minutes, and even then . . . ”

Read more at: Does Donald Trump Have a Short Attention Span? | National Review (http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/438003/does-donald-trump-have-short-attention-span)

[Ron_Ski]

Are elections rigged?

Ask Bernie Sanders. He should be opposing Trump, not Hillary.

Wiki leaks shows the DNC and Clinton campaign conspired to deny him the nomination.

I would posit that if you are/were a Bernie supporter and you vote for Hillary, then you are giving you tacit approval to what happened to Bernie.

[autumnspring]

I believe that to some extent, the election process is corrupt. Not necessarily rigged, but corrupt. There is plenty of evidence that some voters vote more than once, illegals or foreigners vote and even cases of dead voters. Probably not enough to sway the course of the election, unless it is close. There should not be ANY election corruption. We are a model for other countries and we should have a totally corruption free election. Democrats are the only ones that are worried about a voter ID law. Federal law mandates that ONLY American citizens can vote in our elections. Therefore, it is not asking too much that one provide proof that they are an American Citizen, either when they register or by some means at the polls. The honor system can not be expected to work any better than you could expect the honor system when alcohol is purchased.

I'm sure we all remember the HANGING CHADS fiasco
They resorted to using HUMAN BEINGS complete with their own prejudice for one party or the other to INTERPRET doubtful votes. George Bush won the election due to the electoral votes of Florida. At the final count Bush took Florida and thus the election by ONLY 895 votes, Al Gore gracefully conceded the election. A selfless act for our country OR, DID HE REALIZE THERE WAS FAR LESS WORK AND FAR MORE MONEY IN GLOBAL WARMING.

[Rockyrd]

I'm sure we all remember the HANGING CHADS fiasco
They resorted to using HUMAN BEINGS complete with their own prejudice for one party or the other to INTERPRET doubtful votes. George Bush won the election due to the electoral votes of Florida. At the final count Bush took Florida and thus the election by ONLY 895 votes, Al Gore gracefully conceded the election. A selfless act for our country OR, DID HE REALIZE THERE WAS FAR LESS WORK AND FAR MORE MONEY IN GLOBAL WARMING.

Lets keep this in perspective.

The recount took place because our "corrupt" system in Florida has a mechanism that demands a recount if the margin of winning is very small....a good thing wouldn't you say ?

If memory serves me correct, Mr Gore filed a suit to another recount and further investigation showed that the decision was correct in awarding the electoral votes to Bush.

I do not call that "rigged".......the system worked

[MDLNB]

Rigged???