They are called animals for a reason

[Railcruiser]

I was attacked tonight while walking my two small dogs one is only 14 pounds. It was a person who walks her two goldens every day the same place I walk my dogs every day. I believe I have been seeing them for about two years. we passed each other with no fanfare from the dogs. I was never so scared in my life never screamed and swore so much. The woman stood about 30 feet away with her other dog and just watched as I screamed and begged her to get her dog Off of us . I was never so scared. . I realize now it was not for her not to come near us for her other dog would have become involved in the fight. The dog actually Had my small dog in its mouth few times and had his mouth around me. Miraculously none of us were seriously hurt . Hey, I just sore neck and shoulder the dogs seem fine. While the attack was happening I saw a car slow down and thought they were going to stop to help but then they kept going. That was an awful feeling. I finally got my dogs up on a bench and was able to protect them and asked someone to come across the street that heard me screaming. Then another friend came along that heard me screaming and helped. Then the woman with the dog came over. I Told her we were OK just go away that I was terrified of dogs I was just scared and I wanted to go. I can't remember but I don't think she apologized once. Or even said a word. My friend brought me to her porch and gave us water. She was the one who realized this dog was not even on a leash. The dog often isn't but I figured since we were passing each other she would have it on the leash. I know goldens are awesome dogs and I well behaved usually. They're still animals please be careful. My little dog is 13 years old. I would be devastated to lose her this way. My 30 pound dog held her own I was proud of her

[kcrazorbackfan]

File a report with the appropriate (Marion, Sumter or Lake) Sheriff's Office.

[jgm3279]

So sorry that you and your dogs experienced this tonight. Glad that all 3 of you are ok. Our pets are like our children, and I know that this was traumatizing to you and them. Some people just don't get it. To not apologize is unforgivable, my opinion.

[ColdNoMore]

I was attacked tonight while walking my two small dogs one is only 14 pounds. It was a person who walks her two goldens every day the same place I walk my dogs every day. I believe I have been seeing them for about two years. we passed each other with no fanfare from the dogs. I was never so scared in my life never screamed and swore so much. The woman stood about 30 feet away with her other dog and just watched as I screamed and begged her to get her dog Off of us . I was never so scared. . I realize now it was not for her not to come near us for her other dog would have become involved in the fight. The dog actually Had my small dog in its mouth few times and had his mouth around me. Miraculously none of us were seriously hurt . Hey, I just sore neck and shoulder the dogs seem fine. While the attack was happening I saw a car slow down and thought they were going to stop to help but then they kept going. That was an awful feeling. I finally got my dogs up on a bench and was able to protect them and asked someone to come across the street that heard me screaming. Then another friend came along that heard me screaming and helped. Then the woman with the dog came over. I Told her we were OK just go away that I was terrified of dogs I was just scared and I wanted to go. I can't remember but I don't think she apologized once. Or even said a word. My friend brought me to her porch and gave us water. She was the one who realized this dog was not even on a leash. The dog often isn't but I figured since we were passing each other she would have it on the leash. I know goldens are awesome dogs and I well behaved usually. They're still animals please be careful. My little dog is 13 years old. I would be devastated to lose her this way. My 30 pound dog held her own I was proud of her

The owner of the Golden Retrievers is a lawsuit waiting to happen.

You will actually be doing her a favor by reporting it to the police, as then maybe she will never let them off the leash again.

I have to say, you seem to be taking this a lot better than I would be. :cus:

Thank goodness you or your two little dogs...weren't seriously hurt. :thumbup:

[Railcruiser]

I'm totally in shock and I feel sick to my stomach . I totally didn't realize she didn't have the dog on a leash at the time. I don't think I could sue anybody. Well, it would really have to be something blatant . I have to believe that her non-action was a little bit a shock on her part. I still can't get over that my Ellie would be gone right now. I'm proud of me too . as afraid as I am of dogs that I could protect Them.

[Phanatic Luvr]

Just curious ... where did this happen? I think others should be aware of someone walking a dog, not leashed, that could be aggressive.

[Railcruiser]

Had An appointment to cut the dogs nails this morning. Could not even get them into the office with other dogs there. The vet put my bigger dog on Xanax she was shaking so bad she couldn't even move.
At the time I just wanted the woman to go away and told her such. Now in the light of day I agree that I do not want this to happen to someone else. Should I go to the women's door and tell her if I ever see her dogs off leash with that she's near me or not I will call the sheriff? Or, should I just go to animal control.

[bluedivergirl]

I don't think you should talk to the owner. Some dog owners can be in amazing denial about their animals, and it may be more upsetting for you than you expect. I'd call the sheriff's office for guidance. This needs to be reported in case it happens again.

I'm so sorry this happened to you and your pets.

[raynan]

What Village did this occur so others can be on the lookout?
I am so sorry that this happened to you and your pets.

[RickeyD]

Had An appointment to cut the dogs nails this morning. Could not even get them into the office with other dogs there. The vet put my bigger dog on Xanax she was shaking so bad she couldn't even move.

At the time I just wanted the woman to go away and told her such. Now in the light of day I agree that I do not want this to happen to someone else. Should I go to the women's door and tell her if I ever see her dogs off leash with that she's near me or not I will call the sheriff? Or, should I just go to animal control.



Since your property ( sorry to sound cold ) has been damaged I would report this to the sheriff. No one else should be subjected to what you've been through.

[kcrazorbackfan]

As asked by rayan and phanaticluvr, WHERE DID THIS HAPPEN?

[justjim]

So sorry for your terrible experience. What happen to you and your dogs is why many are afraid. Dog owners please keep your dogs on a strong leash.

[Railcruiser]

This happened in the village of Duval
around the pond

[John_W]

Letting a dog off the leash, not only creates problems with other dog walkers and their pets, but many times the dog can dart into the street. Imagine if you hit someone's dog with your car, you would be traumatized to an extent. The driver might be able to serve and miss the dog, but might end up hitting another car. At the very least they may run into a curb and bend their wheel. Leash laws are there for a reason, and if someone sees an abuser they should call the county sheriff's office immediately.

There are some people lacking common sense. About 3 years ago there use to be a woman riding her bicycle up and down St. Charles Blvd. in the golf cart lane with a dog on a leash. She would have a large dog on a leash attached to the bicycle frame. I thought there was an accident waiting to happen. You got a dog trotting in the cart lane behind a bicycle about 3 to 4 feet from passing cars. I must of seen her at least 5 times. Finally one day I saw her with the dog at the Tamarind Grove post office, and I really let into her about the cruelty to her pet and the dangers she was facing. She didn't take it very easily, but I have never seen her again.

[Retiring]

I will join the chorus of going to the Sheriff or animal control. This dog attacked you, it will attack again, next time it could be a child. Do not go to the owner’s home. You will be quite disappointed. Many believe their pets are as pure as the driven snow and you may find the owner turn the tables and try to make you responsible for what happened. Animals are animals, don’t blame the dog, BLAME the owner. Just call the authorities.

[Railcruiser]

I do blame the owner completely!That's why I feel bad about going to the sheriff. I feel bad for the dog. But I know what I have to do.

[LitespeedRider]

Please - avoid the dog parks.

Many people confuse natural instinct of dogs "figuring it out" as a "fight". Knowing Golden's quite well - as well as dozens of other dogs of all sizes and breeds in the Dog Park(s) and as part of training to be Guide - Service - Therapy dogs...we simply let them figure it out. There may be some "verbal chatter" (barking) but VERY rarely more (depending on breed - for instance I dont trust pitbulls or SMALL DOGS).

In years of being on the board for a park district that has five rather large dog parks (up north). The most often banned dogs were small dogs (Boston Terriers were #1). Then limiting the number of Huskies and "herders".

I bet you, if you were to ask the owner of the Goldens to keep the dogs on a leash he/she would. And would apologize up and down. Let the dogs sniff each others rears and no more issues.

Out of curiosity - are your dogs neutered and or spayed? That is often the number one cause for such interaction

Oh, and only a pathetic person needs to call the police about a non-issue where the only thing hurt was a small dogs pride and your faith in humanity.

[RickeyD]

Please - avoid the dog parks.



Any reason ?

[2BNTV]

The owner needs a wake-up call so you should report this person to the police, as animals will be animals and do things instinctively.

If you incurred any medical bills, I would take you case to small claims court.

I've watch court television for the surprising reaction of the people who are accused of wrongdoing and a lot of those pet owners are reluctant to admit they are wrong.

Owners will not do anything unless they are forced to do so. If these attacks are not the first, the dog may be put down. The owner should have their dog under control at all times. It's the law!

[Railcruiser]

I didn't contact the police because I felt like it was wrong. But you are absolutely wrong. It had its mouth around my leg! It had my dogs whole backside in its mouth and was shaking it like a rag! Sniff butts I think not. This lady was picking up poop and not paying attention . as I said in my first post I have been seeing her for two years. She has no control over her dogs they drag her when she has them on a leash. I've had my dogs to eat in 13 years respectively going to Dodd packs traveling for weeks on end in the car in strange places with the dogs. you don't know what the heck you're talking about. Believe me I was as shocked that a golden behave that way.

[Railcruiser]

And yes of course they didn't even come home until they were fixed. As I said in the title of my original post that's why they're called animals. Hardly unhurt . One dog now on medication myself knocked to the ground with a bruised hip wrenched knee and sore shoulder . Aside. From there a little tear to my thin pants.

[rubicon]

I didn't contact the police because I felt like it was wrong. But you are absolutely wrong. It had its mouth around my leg! It had my dogs whole backside in its mouth and was shaking it like a rag! Sniff butts I think not. This lady was picking up poop and not paying attention . as I said in my first post I have been seeing her for two years. She has no control over her dogs they drag her when she has them on a leash. I've had my dogs to eat in 13 years respectively going to Dodd packs traveling for weeks on end in the car in strange places with the dogs. you don't know what the heck you're talking about. Believe me I was his shots that a golden behave that way

Railcruiser the potential claim for your dogs would amount to property loss or in this case the costs you incurred taking your dog to the vet as a result of this attack. the potential claims for you are injury due to the bite to your ankle and intentional infliction of emotional distress for the altercation.

The owner of these labs was in violation of the leash laws and hence breached her obligation and is also negligent

I am not an attorney and after explaining the potential I am also not recommending you sue but the fact remains that what occurred is a very serious breach and you should at least report it to the authorities and the authorities should pay a visit to this woman and make it clear that the dog remain on a leash because that dog is going to attack someone else .

There is a strong possibility that this dog may have had previously attacked.

P.S. there are a number of dog owners who have gotten in the habit of letting their dogs off their leash

[dnobles]

There are three sides to every story Yours, mine and the truth.

[Railcruiser]

Let me add to the story that we had already passed each other the woman was 30 feet away her dog charged

[John_W]

This message is for the poster "CFrance". Apparently the PM's are messed up. I received yours, but only by downloading to a file. I tried to reply, not able. I then tried to send you a new PM from your profile, could not do that either.

The woman with the bicycle and the dog, I left out of my post that I did say to her, if you feel it's necessary to exercise the dog and yourself in this matter, why don't you travel on all the backstreets we have here in Tamarind Grove. Please just stay off St. Charles. That day she also had a second woman on bicycle and dog riding with her. Apparently from what you PM me, one has quit and the other is sticking to the back streets. At least I probably saved her and her dog's life.

[pauld315]

All I can say is that it is better to report this owner to authorities and then ask her to pay the bills you accrued. If she refuses to pay up, take her to small claims court. I have been attacked a couple of times while walking my dog as well. However, I am 6'2 and over 220 pounds and have a penchant for steel toe shoes while walking the dog. Let's just say the attacking dogs never made out very well and I doubt they ever did that again. I know their owners never let them off the leash again when they saw me coming.

[Kathrynsews]

Please, please, report this to the authorities! Your experience was awful! , you have the opportunity to prevent it from happening to others. I wish you and your pups the best!

[VApeople]

I have been attacked a couple of times while walking my dog as well. However, I am 6'2 and over 220 pounds and have a penchant for steel toe shoes while walking the dog. Let's just say the attacking dogs never made out very well and I doubt they ever did that again. I know their owners never let them off the leash again when they saw me coming.

Good for you, Paul. Except in very rare cases, I do not like dogs and I leave them alone but they often want to harass me. A few days ago, I was walking through our neighborhood and a big dog was off leash and was walking through the yards. Since it walked through several yards, it was definitely off its owners property. There were no people in sight and the dog came toward me and scared me to death. I started backing up, and the owner finally came out and called his dog back.

So I have decided to carry one of my metal-tipped hiking sticks when I walk.

[CFrance]

This message is for the poster "CFrance". Apparently the PM's are messed up. I received yours, but only by downloading to a file. I tried to reply, not able. I then tried to send you a new PM from your profile, could not do that either.

The woman with the bicycle and the dog, I left out of my post that I did say to her, if you feel it's necessary to exercise the dog and yourself in this matter, why don't you travel on all the backstreets we have here in Tamarind Grove. Please just stay off St. Charles. That day she also had a second woman on bicycle and dog riding with her. Apparently from what you PM me, one has quit and the other is sticking to the back streets. At least I probably saved her and her dog's life.
Sorry about the PMs, John W. It seems the forum mechanics are a bit awry right now.

I think you did that poor dog a favor--perhaps two dogs.

[rjm1cc]

I can tell you one story where a person did not control her dog and she had no choice but to move. The problem is a report was not filed the first couple of times and the matter got worse and criminal charges ended up being filed. Nip this in the bud for the sake of all your neighbors.

[Railcruiser]

We have her address and will report back tomorrow to animal control. When my husband called the sheriff today he said if they did not break skin on B they cannot collect an attack and they will just go speak to her which is better than nothing. I do have some pepper spray I will carry from now on but I don't have a lot of confidence that it would stop in attacking Dog. I will Carry my husband's cane also . However , I do not think I will go far from my home anymore . As much as I love to walk

[CFrance]

Any reason ?
My take on that comment was that if OP didn't think it was right to "let dogs work it out," she shouldn't go to dog parks because when the dogs there meet up with unfamiliar dogs they usually work things out themselves without human intervention.

Now, that is just my take on the comment. I am not saying one way or the other if I agree with the statement.

I have once encountered a golden who lived with a lab. The two formed a protective pack and would not allow any dog near them without exhibiting some sort of aggressive behavior. Perhaps that is what has happened here. Again, I don't know. In the case I mentioned, the owners were well aware of the problem and wouldn't even walk their dogs together or within eyesight of each other for the safety of any dog they might encounter.

I don't know what it is about ponds around here that encourages people to let their dogs off leash. With all the wildlife, that's the absolute last place I would let a dog off leash.

[TraceyMooreRN]

If the dog had your leg and broke the skin, it is a law by health officials to be reported. This incident needs to be reported as unproved dogs need to be checked out for the safety of happening again. I am sorry this happened to you and your dogs.

[Carl in Tampa]

Please - avoid the dog parks.

Many people confuse natural instinct of dogs "figuring it out" as a "fight". Knowing Golden's quite well - as well as dozens of other dogs of all sizes and breeds in the Dog Park(s) and as part of training to be Guide - Service - Therapy dogs...we simply let them figure it out. There may be some "verbal chatter" (barking) but VERY rarely more (depending on breed - for instance I dont trust pitbulls or SMALL DOGS).

In years of being on the board for a park district that has five rather large dog parks (up north). The most often banned dogs were small dogs (Boston Terriers were #1). Then limiting the number of Huskies and "herders".

I bet you, if you were to ask the owner of the Goldens to keep the dogs on a leash he/she would. And would apologize up and down. Let the dogs sniff each others rears and no more issues.

Out of curiosity - are your dogs neutered and or spayed? That is often the number one cause for such interaction

Oh, and only a pathetic person needs to call the police about a non-issue where the only thing hurt was a small dogs pride and your faith in humanity.

FIRST: FILE A REPORT. If the police won't take it, which I find incredible since you were knocked down, file it with animal control. Were the police aware that you were knocked down? Most people in The Villages are at risk of a broken hip if knocked down. This is a serious event.

Your report, and a contact with the owner by the authorities, may prevent a future attack on someone else. Just think, if the person who was attacked before you (you are probably not the first victim) had reported the attack, you might have been spared.

As a young deputy sheriff I investigated a dog attack in which the large dog took the small dog in his mouth and shook it violently. In this case the small dog died. Your report may save some future victim.

NOW, as to the post reproduced above. A large dog shaking a small dog in his mouth is not "figuring it out."

I am acquainted with many people who are licensed to carry concealed weapons. I would not be surprised to see them utilize their weapons to protect their pets, their families, or themselves.

FINALLY, one of the most inane statements I have ever read on this message board was, "Oh, and only a pathetic person needs to call the police about a non-issue where the only thing hurt was a small dogs pride and your faith in humanity."

Law enforcement intervention allows a resolution to issues without face to face conflict between individuals.

[Carl in Tampa]

We have her address and will report back tomorrow to animal control. When my husband called the sheriff today he said if they did not break skin on B they cannot collect an attack and they will just go speak to her which is better than nothing. I do have some pepper spray I will carry from now on but I don't have a lot of confidence that it would stop in attacking Dog. I will Carry my husband's cane also . However , I do not think I will go far from my home anymore . As much as I love to walk

A golf club might be more effective than a cane. The weighted head would be more "convincing" than a light weight cane. A golf club also fits into the ambiance of the area.

Carry a putter and a couple of golf balls and know where the nearby practice putting greens are located.

Some dogs seem practically immune to pepper spray (and even tear gas.) I think it has to do with their tear ducts. Also, most pepper spray doesn't reach very far. The thick spray, that comes out more as a stream than a spray, goes farther.

Walk with confidence, not with fear.

[Railcruiser]

Thank-you!!!!!: )

[ColdNoMore]

Please - avoid the dog parks.

Many people confuse natural instinct of dogs "figuring it out" as a "fight". Knowing Golden's quite well - as well as dozens of other dogs of all sizes and breeds in the Dog Park(s) and as part of training to be Guide - Service - Therapy dogs...we simply let them figure it out. There may be some "verbal chatter" (barking) but VERY rarely more (depending on breed - for instance I dont trust pitbulls or SMALL DOGS).

In years of being on the board for a park district that has five rather large dog parks (up north). The most often banned dogs were small dogs (Boston Terriers were #1). Then limiting the number of Huskies and "herders".

I bet you, if you were to ask the owner of the Goldens to keep the dogs on a leash he/she would. And would apologize up and down. Let the dogs sniff each others rears and no more issues.

Out of curiosity - are your dogs neutered and or spayed? That is often the number one cause for such interaction

Oh, and only a pathetic person needs to call the police about a non-issue where the only thing hurt was a small dogs pride and your faith in humanity.

Seriously? :eek:

"Non-issue?" :ohdear:

[VApeople]

A golf club might be more effective than a cane.

That is a very good point. When I walk the golf course and see a dog without a leash (as happened at Belle Glade a few weeks ago) I take one of my clubs and carry it over my shoulder. Fortunately, the dog at Bells Glade stayed on his own property, but in Virginia I had to swing it at a dog more than once.

[Railcruiser]

Makes me so angry to hurt an innocent animals when it's the owners that I have a problem with. As much as I am afraid of dogs I don't know;sometimes I much prefer them to some people

[VApeople]

Makes me so angry to hurt an innocent animals when it's the owners that I have a problem with. As much as I am afraid of dogs I don't know

Well, when a dog is attacking you, you better make up your mind really quick.

[looneycat]

I do blame the owner completely!That's why I feel bad about going to the sheriff. I feel bad for the dog. But I know what I have to do.

an aggressive dog that attacks people when off the leash is usually put down. tell the owner that and remind her you have witnesses and let it sink in.

[Mrs. Robinson]

A golf club might be more effective than a cane. The weighted head would be more "convincing" than a light weight cane. A golf club also fits into the ambiance of the area.

Carry a putter and a couple of golf balls and know where the nearby practice putting greens are located.

Some dogs seem practically immune to pepper spray (and even tear gas.) I think it has to do with their tear ducts. Also, most pepper spray doesn't reach very far. The thick spray, that comes out more as a stream than a spray, goes farther.

Walk with confidence, not with fear.

That is a very good point. When I walk the golf course and see a dog without a leash (as happened at Belle Glade a few weeks ago) I take one of my clubs and carry it over my shoulder. Fortunately, the dog at Bells Glade stayed on his own property, but in Virginia I had to swing it at a dog more than once.

I think your idea to intentionally carry a golf club for protection when walking your dog (or even alone) is perhaps the most unconscionable idea one could ever muster up. You don't need to intentionally kill the dog because that is what you would be doing. .It is not the dog's fault! There are many humane alternatives. I am not in favor of harming the animal; (the owner is a different story :boxing2: !), but please -- do the right thing.

[VApeople]

please -- do the right thing.

In my opinion, protecting myself when I am attacked by another life form is the "right thing".

[Sandtrap328]

I think your idea to intentionally carry a golf club for protection when walking your dog (or even alone) is perhaps the most unconscionable idea one could ever muster up. You don't need to intentionally kill the dog because that is what you would be doing. .It is not the dog's fault! There are many humane alternatives. I am not in favor of harming the animal; (the owner is a different story :boxing2: !), but please -- do the right thing.

Very strange post, in my view. Carrying a golf club while walking is a sensible idea. First, you just come across a golf ball that needs hitting. Secondly, it is a decent deterrent for agressive dogs or other critters that may not be friendly.

On another thread in the past, one poster even suggested carrying a pistol when walking for protection from dogs or coyotes or whatever.

I still feel very safe when walking at 4 am but that golf club idea does make sense!

[Carl in Tampa]

I think your idea to intentionally carry a golf club for protection when walking your dog (or even alone) is perhaps the most unconscionable idea one could ever muster up. You don't need to intentionally kill the dog because that is what you would be doing. .It is not the dog's fault! There are many humane alternatives. I am not in favor of harming the animal; (the owner is a different story :boxing2: !), but please -- do the right thing.

1. You think that carrying a golf club for defense against an aggressive dog is the "most unconscionable idea one could ever muster up." You must have missed the thread where the suggestion was to carry a gun. :shocked: Using a golf club, particularly to the body of an aggressive dog, is not necessarily lethal, but should deter the attack.

2. You say there "are many humane alternatives" but you list none. :shrug: Pepper spray is not always effective. Kicking at a dog is practically useless because dogs are agile. It can also make you the object of their attack. Perhaps you would like to produce a list of some "humane alternatives."

3. You say "do the right thing." Defense of myself, my animals, and others dear to me IS the right thing. :spoken:

[VApeople]

On another thread in the past, one poster even suggested carrying a pistol when walking for protection from dogs or coyotes or whatever.


Here is a story about a guy who shot a dog in a park near to where we used to live. According to the story, the dog was a 50-lb lab not on a leash.

MORE: Authorities say man acted in self-defense when shooting 11-month-old puppy | LoudounTimes.com (http://www.loudountimes.com/news/article/authorities_man_acted_in_self_defense_in_sterling_ dog_shooting)

[outlaw]

I'm still shocked that an owner of two dogs is "afraid of dogs"! And the humane way to handle an aggressive dog is to immediately lay down on the ground and roll over on your back with your hands and feet slightly above you. This is the universal dog language for "Hi, I'm non-threatening, and want to be your friend". I have used this technique many times and it works 100% 7 out of 10 times.

[Railcruiser]

I am afraid of strangers dogs that are loose to be clear. My dogs are not angels they are trained . I was too busy hanging my small dog in the air to protect it to lay down on the ground. Maybe if this occurred to me it might've worked.
The attacked was very upsetting/traumatic for me and my dogs . Someone did report it but again with no broken skin hopefully they just spoke to the woman. Regardless of the drama I feel bad for her too. like me she will probably never feel completely comfortable with her dog either again just makes me sad

[Two Bills]

I'm still shocked that an owner of two dogs is "afraid of dogs"! And the humane way to handle an aggressive dog is to immediately lay down on the ground and roll over on your back with your hands and feet slightly above you. This is the universal dog language for "Hi, I'm non-threatening, and want to be your friend". I have used this technique many times and it works 100% 7 out of 10 times.

It is the 3 from ten that worries me!

[Retiring]

I used to carry a Dazer when I used to run, never had to use it. When you push the button you don’t hear anything, the frequency is for dogs only. Apparently, to a dog it sounds like nails on a chalkboard to us.


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[graciegirl]

I am afraid of strangers dogs that are loose to be clear. My dogs are not angels they are trained . I was too busy hanging my small dog in the air to protect it to lay down on the ground. Maybe if this occurred to me it might've worked.
The attacked was very upsetting/traumatic for me and my dogs . Someone did report it but again with no broken skin hopefully they just spoke to the woman. Regardless of the drama I feel bad for her too. like me she will probably never feel completely comfortable with her dog either again just makes me sad

You know. YOU are a very thoughtful person. If only the world had more like you. I love almost all dogs and I hate to hear when owners don't leash them. They like us humans can be unpredictable. I am saddened by folks who are afraid of dogs and really dislike, even hate all of them. I don't own a dog, two cats own us, but I have rarely met a dog that didn't make me smile.

[Carl in Tampa]

I'm still shocked that an owner of two dogs is "afraid of dogs"! And the humane way to handle an aggressive dog is to immediately lay down on the ground and roll over on your back with your hands and feet slightly above you. This is the universal dog language for "Hi, I'm non-threatening, and want to be your friend". I have used this technique many times and it works 100% 7 out of 10 times.

Thanks for explaining the humane response to an aggressive dog.

It is also known as potential suicide since the dominant dog often establishes dominance by biting the neck of the dog lying on its back. :ohdear:

.

[Polar Bear]

...it works 100% 7 out of 10 times.
And my lottery ticket works 100% 1 out of a billion times. :)

[RickeyD]

I'm still shocked that an owner of two dogs is "afraid of dogs"! And the humane way to handle an aggressive dog is to immediately lay down on the ground and roll over on your back with your hands and feet slightly above you. This is the universal dog language for "Hi, I'm non-threatening, and want to be your friend". I have used this technique many times and it works 100% 7 out of 10 times.


I would pay to see you do this. But, only the 30% part. :evil6:

[CFrance]

Many people claim to know what they would/you should have done. They weren't there, and there is no telling what anyone would do if a surprise like this happened. There's little time for thought.

I'm a dog lover (obviously) who has seen a few aggressive dogs. I've seen people who can't control their dogs, and I know how strong my younger dog is and thank my lucky stars he is a lover, not a fighter. I have to vote with the LEOs on this thread. At least two of them are dog lovers, and they've also had job experience in this area.

[73Goat]

I'm totally in shock and I feel sick to my stomach . I totally didn't realize she didn't have the dog on a leash at the time. I don't think I could sue anybody. Well, it would really have to be something blatant . I have to believe that her non-action was a little bit a shock on her part. I still can't get over that my Ellie would be gone right now. I'm proud of me too . as afraid as I am of dogs that I could protect Them.

If what you say is accurate (and you appear to have witnesses as well) I can't think of anything much more blatant than what you describe, especially if the owner did nothing to stop the attack and you suffered injury.

If you are shy about suing because it will look like you're just after money, think of it this way. By taking action you will be helping the next person avoid being attacked. I suspect that a police citation will not discourage a person like that from letting her animals off the leash, all she will do is change the location of the 'walk' for her dogs. If you don't take action that will keep her from doing so you are asking to have another person, or set of pets attacked. The next person may not get off with just some minor injuries and a couple of frightened pets. The next person may lose a pet or be seriously injured. For their sake contact a personal injury lawyer and discuss with them what recourse you have.

I can guarantee you that, if it was my wife/pet that was subjected to this, a lawsuit is the very least that owner/animal would be subjected to. No one should have to be subjected to by an animal not under the control of it's 'owner'.

[outlaw]

Thanks for explaining the humane response to an aggressive dog.

It is also known as potential suicide since the dominant dog often establishes dominance by biting the neck of the dog lying on its back. :ohdear:

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Yes. But it's a playful bite.

[73Goat]

I'm still shocked that an owner of two dogs is "afraid of dogs"! And the humane way to handle an aggressive dog is to immediately lay down on the ground and roll over on your back with your hands and feet slightly above you. This is the universal dog language for "Hi, I'm non-threatening, and want to be your friend". I have used this technique many times and it works 100% 7 out of 10 times.

At first I was a little incensed by your advice, until I got to the "works 100% 7 out of 10 times' part. It made me wonder if you were joking when you posted this?

I'm not shocked at all that this person can be 'afraid' of dogs while having small dog pets. While I have no 'fear' of dogs in general I would most definitely be 'afraid' of a large dog on the loose attacking my Bichon (and me). I'm fairly certain that I would NEVER follow your advice to stave off a dog attack. My wife loves small dogs and we have had many over the course of our lives together, but she absolutely is afraid of large dogs.

I'm really curious to know what happened in the 3 times it 'didn't work 100%'? and I'm curious to know how many aggressive dogs you've encountered to test your hypothesis.

[73Goat]

Yes. But it's a playful bite.


There is another 'dominance' behavior would be far more humiliating -- it involves the 'dominant' dog cementing his 'dominance' in the pack order by simulating sex with the 'submissive' dog, regardless of their sex.

[outlaw]

There is another 'dominance' behavior would be far more humiliating -- it involves the 'dominant' dog cementing his 'dominance' in the pack order by simulating sex with the 'submissive' dog, regardless of their sex.

Yes. That can be awkward at times. I never said my tactic was perfect.

[airstreamingypsy]

I will join the chorus of going to the Sheriff or animal control. This dog attacked you, it will attack again, next time it could be a child.

The way I read it, the dog attacked other dogs, not a person. That said, yes it could attack again. It's so out of character for a Golden to do that I have to wonder why, and I would probably knock on the owner's door and talk to her about it. I suspect she is as traumatized as you are. I would not call animal control until after I talked to the owner and got a sense of her take on it. I would also present her with the vet bill and if she didn't write me a check on the spot I would sue her ass.

[JanetMM]

IMHO had the owner tried to help you or asked about your pet's condition or health, maybe came to speak with you afterwards, i would not go the authorities. But since the dog's owner didn't seem to care at all about the harm her dog caused, you should absolutely contact the police. this is not something only a "pathetic" person would do. Someone must tell this inconsiderate jerk (at best) that their lack of concern for the welfare of others, be they human or our "furbabies", is actually something that could result in charges for them and all the way to confiscation of the animal that has shown itself "unsafe".
I know that in all probability that the dog itself is not to blame for the attack, it is the person who raised, trained and controls the dog. all the more reason to let the authorities handle it.
signed, a very loving dog-person

[Irishlass]

Sorry to hear of your ordeal. I just want to relate this story to all small dog walkers. While walking my two pups, one a mulipoo and the other a yorkie, we passed by my neighbor who had her dog, a golden retriever, on a leash. My yorkie was attacked and her neck was broken. It happened so fast. You're right, they are still animals and cannot be trusted in all situations. Needless to say, I'll never get over losing my little Willie that way. Still heartbroken.

[gaylee111]

All dogs belong on a leash period!!!!!!!

[OhioBuckeye]

Well I hope the Villages don't just brush it off & I don't think they would have any problems finding the lady that owned the Labs because not everyone owns Golden Labs. The Villages push dogs have to be controlled by the owner. Hope they do something very drastic to this lady, she was breaking the Villages bi-laws. We'll see how the Villages handles this!

[Railcruiser]

Your story quickly brought tears to my eyes

[VApeople]

The Villages push dogs have to be controlled by the owner.

NO!

According to rules in The Villages, dogs must be ON A LEASH when they are off their owners property. Simply 'controlling' a dog is not good enough.

[Polar Bear]

...According to rules in The Villages, dogs must be ON A LEASH when they are off their owners property. Simply 'controlling' a dog is not good enough.
I don't claim to know this for a fact, but it's my understanding that leash laws are enforced by each county.

Sumter County Code 4-10 states that "all dogs must be confined on owners property at all times or under direct control or on a leash when off the owners property."

[Barefoot]

I think your idea to intentionally carry a golf club for protection when walking your dog (or even alone) is perhaps the most unconscionable idea one could ever muster up. You don't need to intentionally kill the dog because that is what you would be doing.

Killing the attacking dog with a golf club wasn't mentioned. I totally agree that it's not the dog's fault.
But a golf club would offer protection against an aggressive dog that was off leash.
If an aggressive dog attacked my little dog, I'd certainly whack it with a golf club.
As a dog lover, that feels sensible to me.

And the humane way to handle an aggressive dog is to immediately lay down on the ground and roll over on your back with your hands and feet slightly above you. This is the universal dog language for "Hi, I'm non-threatening, and want to be your friend". I have used this technique many times and it works 100% 7 out of 10 times. :evil6: You have a weird sense of humor. I find your post funny, but I betcha others won't.

[VApeople]

Sumter County Code 4-10 states that "all dogs must be confined on owners property at all times or under direct control or on a leash when off the owners property."

Section 2.23 of your Declaration of Restrictions states "Birds, fish, dogs, and cats shall be permitted. Each owner . . . shall be responsible to keep such pet on a leash."

ON A LEASH

[Polar Bear]

Section 2.23 of your Declaration of Restrictions states "Birds, fish, dogs, and cats shall be permitted. Each owner . . . shall be responsible to keep such pet on a leash."...

Heheh. Good luck with enforcing that in the case of a well-trained dog on its owner's property and under his/her direct supervision. The restriction as stated doesn't even make allowance for a dog being off-leash in the house. :)

[Barefoot]

I don't claim to know this for a fact, but it's my understanding that leash laws are enforced by each county.

Sumter County Code 4-10 states that "all dogs must be confined on owners property at all times or under direct control or on a leash when off the owners property."
Owners may think they have their dog under direct control by using voice commands.
And it's quite possible that experienced dog owners can totally control their dogs by voice commands.
It is also possible that less experienced dog owners are under a false assumption when they think their dogs can be controlled
in any situation by voice commands.
When you're walking your dog, please use a leash. Always. No exceptions. It's the right thing to do.

[Polar Bear]

Owners may think they have their dog under direct control by using voice commands.

And it's quite possible that experienced dog owners can totally control their dogs by voice commands.

It is also possible that less experienced dog owners are under a false assumption when they think their dogs can be controlled

in any situation by voice commands.

When you're walking your dog, please use a leash. Always. No exceptions. It's the right thing to do.

I believe I fall into the former category. I can totally control my dog with my voice. But I also always have my dog on a leash when walking her along the streets.

Don't confuse owners who have control of their dogs with those who disregard the rules and have no respect for their neighbors...two different groups.

[VApeople]

Don't confuse owners who have control of their dogs with those who disregard the rules and have no respect for their neighbors...two different groups.

The two groups are not that different.

A person could have perfect verbal control over their dog, but if they let their dog off a leash they are showing a complete disregard for the rules and have no respect for their neighbors.

[Carl in Tampa]

Section 2.23 of your Declaration of Restrictions states "Birds, fish, dogs, and cats shall be permitted. Each owner . . . shall be responsible to keep such pet on a leash."

ON A LEASH

OK. I didn't have any trouble finding a leash for a bird because they have them for both smaller pet birds and even for raptors like falcons, hawks, and eagles.

But, I'm still having trouble with the concept of having your pet fish on a leash when going out for a stroll.

:clap2:

I really wish I could afford to keep a Flamingo. They accommodate themselves easily to a leash and it would be a real conversation starter to walk one around the town square. An Ostrich would be a bit much, but then you could ride it rather than walk.

:wave:

[Polar Bear]

The two groups are not that different.

A person could have perfect verbal control over their dog, but if they let their dog off a leash they are showing a complete disregard for the rules and have no respect for their neighbors.
The two groups ARE that different. You've demonstrated my point exactly!!

Just because a person has "perfect verbal control over their dog", doesn't mean they will automatically disregard the rules. Those people are the group that are responsible pet owners and will most likely obey the rules.

Your post is a perfect example of why dog owners who control of their dogs often feel disrespected...they (we) are grouped in with those who don't follow the rules.

[VApeople]

Your post is a perfect example of why dog owners who control of their dogs often feel disrespected...they (we) are grouped in with those who don't follow the rules.

You are correct.

We respect dog owners who keep their dogs on a leash.

We definitely do not respect dog owners who do not keep their dogs on a leash.

[ColdNoMore]

You are correct.

We respect dog owners who keep their dogs on a leash.

We definitely do not respect dog owners who do not keep their dogs on a leash.

:thumbup:

[Barefoot]

,,,, I can totally control my dog with my voice. But I also always have my dog on a leash when walking her along the streets. Don't confuse owners who have control of their dogs with those who disregard the rules and have no respect for their neighbors...two different groups.
:agree:

[Railcruiser]

Today my neighbors saw the woman walking her dogs by the same place with no leash. I shocked and sad that she really is as indifferent and selfish as some people here said she would be. So angry that animal control refuses to do anything because there was not blood . Only bad bruising and a badly damaged mind of one of my dogs. My little one couldn't care less and would take on the next dog. My bigger dog however the vet said she will probably not recover to want to be with other dogs again.(goodbye to all my friends at the dog parking the walks by the pond we've had together the lady 8 years. The xanax isn't helping trying some herbs now. Not to mention the walks my 93 year old Dad loved to have with the dogs. Sad but grateful he wasn't on that walk. If not injured he would've been greatly traumatized. If you don't like how I feel about this keep your comments to yourself. This has been awful enough.

[rubicon]

We have her address and will report back tomorrow to animal control. When my husband called the sheriff today he said if they did not break skin on B they cannot collect an attack and they will just go speak to her which is better than nothing. I do have some pepper spray I will carry from now on but I don't have a lot of confidence that it would stop in attacking Dog. I will Carry my husband's cane also . However , I do not think I will go far from my home anymore . As much as I love to walk

Railcruiser Let me begin that i am only afraid of 4 types of dogs alive-dead big-small Let me also say that without exception I always have my pet Daring the anole on a leash when we go for a walk.

As to the sheriff response I question his understanding of the law. A person can be charged with assault and battery simply by an increase in vocal volume and placing his/her hand on another's person's body. The owner of that dog committed at least battery because the owner's weapon was that dog.

I am afraid of strange dogs because as a kid I had one attack me without provocation.

I find it misguided when I hear/see a dog owner place their love for their dog over the safety of human beings

[ColdNoMore]

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I find it misguided when I hear/see a dog owner place their love for their dog over the safety of human beings

That pretty much says it all.

[VApeople]

I find it misguided when I hear/see a dog owner place their love for their dog over the safety of human beings

I am not surprised when dog owners do that. When I have seen a dog attack a person, the dog owner usually says something like, 'What did you do to make my dog bite you?"

Of course, this is just human nature. We all tend to put our interests ahead of others and we think our actions are always right. When we finally realize we may have hurt someone, we usually say, "I'm sorry you were hurt" instead of "My actions were wrong and I am sorry my actions hurt you".

Expect nothing from other people and you will get through life just fine.

[Rapscallion St Croix]

Before moving to Florida, I used to walk every evening and there was a family down the street with an aggressive white dog named Blizzard. They let it run loose and it would come into the street and bare its teeth at me. I had many words with the owner who tried to tell me how to behave around the dog. I told him in colorful terms that it is his behavior and the dog's behavior that needs modifying, not mine. I had the law go talk to them several times but it didn't help. I finally decided to pepper spray the mutt. He never came at me again after I hosed him, and I got some lagniappe when the owner tried to comfort the dog and got pepper spray all over himself while hugging the dog.

[Carl in Tampa]

Before moving to Florida, I used to walk every evening and there was a family down the street with an aggressive white dog named Blizzard. They let it run loose and it would come into the street and bare its teeth at me. I had many words with the owner who tried to tell me how to behave around the dog. I told him in colorful terms that it is his behavior and the dog's behavior that needs modifying, not mine. I had the law go talk to them several times but it didn't help. I finally decided to pepper spray the mutt. He never came at me again after I hosed him, and I got some lagniappe when the owner tried to comfort the dog and got pepper spray all over himself while hugging the dog.

Lagniappe.............. a word I learned during my six year assignment in New Orleans. Yes, I know what it means to miss New Orleans............and the French Quarter, the food, zydeco, and the people. Friendships that have lasted for over 35 years.

Humm. I guess I've gotten off topic. Back to it. If a dog attacks you, make him decide that he will never make that mistake again. Golf club.

[Taltarzac725]

You may want to go talk to the Small Claims Court people in Bushnell to get the paper work needed and the like. It might be a few months though before you could get a person to hear your case. http://www.sumterclerk.com/index.cfm/small-claims-forms

[Taltarzac725]

Copy and paste this link. http://www.sumterclerk.com/index.cfm/small-claims-forms

[Railcruiser]

All is I want is this lady to take care of her dog. I'm sure it is a great dog . Most are. As we all know it's the owners that are the problem. As I said before I know my dogs on angels they are spoiled rotten. However, I have had them eight and six years respectively and have never had this kind of confrontation with another dog out in public, dog parks, traveling 4000 miles on the road every year. I feel bad for this dog. It is not going to have a happy ending if she doesn't take care of it

[Railcruiser]

Hi Tal, I was wondering when you would weigh in on this. It is Dori and Ellie from doggy Doo run that this happened to. I really do not want a court case. Not sure what to do at this point since all I have is my word against hers unless I can find the people that came to my aid

[Taltarzac725]

Hi Tal, I was wondering when you would weigh in on this. It is Dori and Ellie from doggy Doo run that this happened to. I really do not want a court case. Not sure what to do at this point since all I have is my word against hers unless I can find the people that came to my aid

Oh. I see that now. Maybe try having the woman over for lunch???

I have someone I really care about whose dog was mauled badly. She tried to do it the nice way and have a friendly chat with the owner of the dog and get them to agree to pay the bills in a reasonable manner but they ignored my friend's decency and now she has a small claims court date.

I would try to get some statements from people who know this woman and her dogs just in case you do have to take it to small claims court.

The vet could also give you some kind of statement.

I have avoided going to court too as much as I can all my life. Never much fun.

Just try to document stuff in case you do have to go to court for the vet bills and the like.

[outlaw]

Railcruiser Let me begin that i am only afraid of 4 types of dogs alive-dead big-small Let me also say that without exception I always have my pet Daring the anole on a leash when we go for a walk.

As to the sheriff response I question his understanding of the law. A person can be charged with assault and battery simply by an increase in vocal volume and placing his/her hand on another's person's body. The owner of that dog committed at least battery because the owner's weapon was that dog.

I am afraid of strange dogs because as a kid I had one attack me without provocation.

I find it misguided when I hear/see a dog owner place their love for their dog over the safety of human beings

I've known and experienced a lot of people over my life; I'm going to side with the dogs. No offense intended.

[outlaw]

At first I was a little incensed by your advice, until I got to the "works 100% 7 out of 10 times' part. It made me wonder if you were joking when you posted this?

I'm not shocked at all that this person can be 'afraid' of dogs while having small dog pets. While I have no 'fear' of dogs in general I would most definitely be 'afraid' of a large dog on the loose attacking my Bichon (and me). I'm fairly certain that I would NEVER follow your advice to stave off a dog attack. My wife loves small dogs and we have had many over the course of our lives together, but she absolutely is afraid of large dogs.

I'm really curious to know what happened in the 3 times it 'didn't work 100%'? and I'm curious to know how many aggressive dogs you've encountered to test your hypothesis.

Yes. It was tongue in cheek. However, I have had several encounters with aggressive dogs, some attacking me and some attacking another dog. I have responded to a medium sized dog by shoving my hand down its throat, which immediately ended the aggression. Although I did get my hand bit a little. I have been attacked while running, getting bit in the leg (small dog). I have stuck my arm between a dog attacking another dog, only to get bit on the hand and arm. I've never dealt with a German Shepard or Rottweiler. Those breeds are intimidating, especially if they have been following you for awhile at night. I guess it depends mainly on the size and breed of the dog. I have never seen an aggressive Golden Retriever or Labrador. I honestly don't get the fear so many people have regarding an unleashed dog. My first thought seeing an unleashed dog, is I hope it doesn't get hit by a car. I don't call the police, animal control, or take the owner to court. Wild dog packs, I understand fearing those. But pet dogs. I just don't see that much fear and hostility to a neighbor's dog that may bark aggressively at you. Just ignore them, and they usually will calm down. And let's not even start on unleashed grand kids driving golf carts...

[Taltarzac725]

Yes. It was tongue in cheek. However, I have had several encounters with aggressive dogs, some attacking me and some attacking another dog. I have responded to a medium sized dog by shoving my hand down its throat, which immediately ended the aggression. Although I did get my hand bit a little. I have been attacked while running, getting bit in the leg (small dog). I have stuck my arm between a dog attacking another dog, only to get bit on the hand and arm. I've never dealt with a German Shepard or Rottweiler. Those breeds are intimidating, especially if they have been following you for awhile at night. I guess it depends mainly on the size and breed of the dog. I have never seen an aggressive Golden Retriever or Labrador. I honestly don't get the fear so many people have regarding an unleashed dog. My first thought seeing an unleashed dog, is I hope it doesn't get hit by a car. I don't call the police, animal control, or take the owner to court. Wild dog packs, I understand fearing those. But pet dogs. I just don't see that much fear and hostility to a neighbor's dog that may bark aggressively at you. Just ignore them, and they usually will calm down. And let's not even start on unleashed grand kids driving golf carts...

That actually works sticking your hand down a dog's throat??

[outlaw]

That actually works sticking your hand down a dog's throat??

In that specific case, it did. The dog wanted to get my hand of his mouth as quickly as possible. Caution: don't try this with a pit bull.

[photo1902]

In that specific case, it did. The dog wanted to get my hand of his mouth as quickly as possible. Caution: don't try this with a pit bull.

Or an alligator.