pets in town squares ...

[The Great Fumar]

Yesterday I was told by a village employee that they are going to stop all pets from going to downtown squares...
Apparently there was an incident .....and with the crowds of people that frequent these squares I'm not surprized....
Does anyone have an update on this........

fumar

[aln]

I don't have an update, but I have an opinion.

It's a public sidewalk.

You may not be able to take pets in the seating area like you can't smoke, but I don't think they'll be able to do anything about pets outside the 'circle'.
:shrug:

[Bogie Shooter]

I predict this thread will have over 50 comments and 1500views.:2excited:

[chacam]

Apparently there was an incident

It was just a matter of time before this happened ! !

[Hawkwind]

At Spanish Springs in December I saw a very large dog attack a much smaller one on the outer sidewalk by the bar across the street from Starbucks and Katie Bell's. Both owners had their dogs on a leash but the owner of the big dog could not control the dog. I think the big dog would have killed the smaller one had it not been for some young guy jumping in and pulling the large dog off the small dog. The guy was actually rolling on the ground with the dog to get it away from the small dog.

[chuckster]

Sorry I missed that...........:beer3:

[dillywho]

I predict this thread will have over 50 comments and 1500views.:2excited:

I know I will probably catch you-know-what for this, but I'm glad someone brought this front and center. Let me start by saying I have a dog (did have 2 but one died at 16) so I am an animal lover. The point is, they are animals and as such have their place. Not everyone thinks my little darling is as cute as I do, and I respect that. I don't understand why these people cannot leave them at home for a couple of hours. I know they don't take them to the doctors office, church, grocery store, restaurants, etc. Even man Villages offices are posted that animals not allowed. If they can't bear to leave them long enough to socialize, then they need to stay home with them or at the very least keep them leashed and in the cart with them. We were at SS one evening when a little girl was bitten in the face and nobody did a thing. I would not have been so calm had it been my child or grandchild. The owner acted as if the child should have not been there and was really rude to the grandparents. On another point, the smell is going to be an issue as the weather heats up, expecially now that there are so many people bringing their dogs. Service dogs are another matter and are working and usually are not allowed to be petted, etc. They should be allowed there as they are other places.

[Bryant]

:agree: 100%.

[Barefoot]

First the buffalo. Now dogs in the Town Squares. :sigh:

Next they'll be banning golf carts. :icon_bored:

[Bryan]

Someone noted that the roads/sidewalks are "public property" and they didn't think pets could be banned from them. FYI, those items (sidewalks, roads, etc.) are not public property at SS or SL - they are private property. The owner (the developer) just choses to make them accessible to the public but they are private and could truly be "access controlled" if the owner/developer so chose. I guess, officially, the owner of those facilities in the CDD that "owns" Spanish Springs and Sumter Landing - not one of the numbered districts either, something like the Village Center Community Development District (VCCDD). Do those initials look familiar? You see them every month on your water, sewer, trash and ammenities statement (i.e. make checks payable to VCCDD-LSSA). If they were not private property, then all the "open bottle" laws would apply and drinking in public in the square, on the square, and around the square would have to be prohibited. So yes, the owners could prohibit pets from downtown - I just hope they don't.

[Talk Host]

I am the first one irritated when somebody highjacks a thread, but I want to jump in for a moment because somebody mentioned "service dogs." There is a new "trick" among some dog owners that is gaining popularity. They put a little cape or sign on their "regular" dog that says, "service dog" or "service dog in training" so they can take it where it isn't suppose to be. Takes a lot of nerve HUH? Okay, now back (or bark) to the "dogs at town square thread."

[Taltarzac]

I don't have an update, but I have an opinion.

It's a public sidewalk.

You may not be able to take pets in the seating area like you can't smoke, but I don't think they'll be able to do anything about pets outside the 'circle'.
:shrug:

It is the squares though where the people sit down to enjoy the music and the other people. It has been too noisy for my dog the few times I took him to either town squares.

You would need an awful lot of peeing dogs though to create any kind of smell at either of these squares so I cannot really see this as being a concern. This was brought up by a previous poster.

The statistics seem to suggest that dogs are more dangerous than any other creature that might appear at the squares except for the two legged variety. http://www.americanhumane.org/about-us/newsroom/fact-sheets/dog-bites.html

[chelsea24]

I am the first one irritated when somebody highjacks a thread, but I want to jump in for a moment because somebody mentioned "service dogs." There is a new "trick" among some dog owners that is gaining popularity. They put a little cape or sign on their "regular" dog that says, "service dog" or "service dog in training" so they can take it where it isn't suppose to be. Takes a lot of nerve HUH? Okay, now back (or bark) to the "dogs at town square thread."

TH, I think you might be confusing the dog in the cape with this guy...

http://www.cartoonnetwork.com/tv_shows/krypto/


:1rotfl:

[chuckster]

[quote=Taltarzac;200806]
You would need an awful lot of peeing dogs though to create any kind of smell at either of these squares so I cannot really see this as being a concern.




Curious, wonder how many or how few dogs it has taken to smell up barf and kill off drought resistant vegetation around our mail facility. Some days seem like a social gathering of canine pals all trying to out pee the other.

[dillywho]

It is the squares though where the people sit down to enjoy the music and the other people. It has been too noisy for my dog the few times I took him to either town squares.

You would need an awful lot of peeing dogs though to create any kind of smell at either of these squares so I cannot really see this as being a concern. This was brought up by a previous poster.

The statistics seem to suggest that dogs are more dangerous than any other creature that might appear at the squares except for the two legged variety. http://www.americanhumane.org/about-us/newsroom/fact-sheets/dog-bites.html

Why do we see so many posts about people walking their pets (curb your dog thread) that complain about the smell getting in their yards if the smell won't become a problem at the squares as there gets to be more and more dogs? It is just natural for them to "leave their mark". In another thread (dog parks), it has been noted that dogs are more apt to become aggressive when leashed and the dogs on the squares have to be leashed. Actually, according to the restrictions here, they must be leashed when not in the confines of your own property. As you said about it being too noisy for yours when you did take them (it), it is usually too noisy for most animals. I've even heard some of the "two-legged" ones say they were ready to go home because it was too noisy to visit. My dog is too old for the parks, but that seems like a good idea if people must have their dogs in a social setting....there than can be off leash and socialize with their own species. As you said, people go to the squares to enjoy the entertainment and other people.

[dillywho]

I am the first one irritated when somebody highjacks a thread, but I want to jump in for a moment because somebody mentioned "service dogs." There is a new "trick" among some dog owners that is gaining popularity. They put a little cape or sign on their "regular" dog that says, "service dog" or "service dog in training" so they can take it where it isn't suppose to be. Takes a lot of nerve HUH? Okay, now back (or bark) to the "dogs at town square thread."

you will always have those people who will cheat at anything (tee times, taxes, etc.) Guess this is no different.

[billethkid]

for general application and condemnation.
The events/occurrence as terrible as they would/could be are statistically insignificant.
So why does a subject like this warrant any consideration when real issues like using a cell and driving. More people killed than by drunk driving, yet it is tolerated...no let's call a spade a spade...ALLOWED!!!
Guess why. Because it is easy to articulate the negatives of a dog in town or not...because most have nothing to lose...they don't have dogs.
Precisely the reason there is an organization called MADD (mother's against drunk driving) they are not drinkers and have nothing to lose. But give up a cell phone ...now that there is personal involvement...losing the use of cell phones by the same mothers....not a peep....and ALLOWING the slaughter to continue.

I take my dog to the squares as they are a part of the family. If we are going to discuss behavior, let's not limit it to the dogs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BTK

[Pookirgirl]

One evening at the Market Square, there was a dog wandering around. It seemed to be lost or we assumed it was. I called him over and to my surprise, a woman suddenly appeared and was very agitated and began yelling at me and my husband for calling him over. I was so taken back, as we were actually checking his collar for ID. We though if he had wandered away, we would have tried to contact the rightful owner. He wasn't on a leash mind you... just left free to wander! She was rude and arrogant.
We were not trying to steal her dog...just trying to help. But really... if people must bring their pets, they should be on a leash that is ATTACHED to their owner!

[Barefoot]

for general application and condemnation.
The events/occurrence as terrible as they would/could be are statistically insignificant. I take my dog to the squares as they are a part of the family. If we are going to discuss behavior, let's not limit it to the dogs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BTK

A voice of reason. :bowdown:

[Barefoot]

But really... if people must bring their pets, they should be on a leash that is ATTACHED to their owner!

:agree: The woman was an idiot to have an unleashed dog roaming around. :cus:

People like that ruin it for the majority of dog owners, who are intelligent and considerate.

[dillywho]

for general application and condemnation.
The events/occurrence as terrible as they would/could be are statistically insignificant.
So why does a subject like this warrant any consideration when real issues like using a cell and driving. More people killed than by drunk driving, yet it is tolerated...no let's call a spade a spade...ALLOWED!!!
Guess why. Because it is easy to articulate the negatives of a dog in town or not...because most have nothing to lose...they don't have dogs.
Precisely the reason there is an organization called MADD (mother's against drunk driving) they are not drinkers and have nothing to lose. But give up a cell phone ...now that there is personal involvement...losing the use of cell phones by the same mothers....not a peep....and ALLOWING the slaughter to continue.

I take my dog to the squares as they are a part of the family. If we are going to discuss behavior, let's not limit it to the dogs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BTK

Guess you failed to read the part where I said that I do have a dog and did have two. One person, be it child or adult, or one other animal killed or maimed by a "single incident" is one too many. Do you argue this much when you are not allowed to take your dog other places? Had dogs not been allowed in the squares in the first place, this would not have become an issue. As for the cell phones, there again, the people should be responsible users. Talking on a cell phone (hands free) is no different than talking to another person in the car whether in the passenger seat or the back seat. Texting is another matter since it cannot be done without taking your eyes off the road and reading it or typing a reply.

[RCT]

for general application and condemnation.
The events/occurrence as terrible as they would/could be are statistically insignificant.
So why does a subject like this warrant any consideration when real issues like using a cell and driving. More people killed than by drunk driving, yet it is tolerated...no let's call a spade a spade...ALLOWED!!!
Guess why. Because it is easy to articulate the negatives of a dog in town or not...because most have nothing to lose...they don't have dogs.
Precisely the reason there is an organization called MADD (mother's against drunk driving) they are not drinkers and have nothing to lose. But give up a cell phone ...now that there is personal involvement...losing the use of cell phones by the same mothers....not a peep....and ALLOWING the slaughter to continue.

I take my dog to the squares as they are a part of the family. If we are going to discuss behavior, let's not limit it to the dogs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BTK

Maybe we should start a organization called VADD Villagers against denying dogs

[lj410]

:agree: I am an animal lover but I think pets should not be allowed in the entertainment areas.. These areas are crowded and often loud. Pets are unpredictable and why wait for trouble to happen.

[Taltarzac]

Why do we see so many posts about people walking their pets (curb your dog thread) that complain about the smell getting in their yards if the smell won't become a problem at the squares as there gets to be more and more dogs? It is just natural for them to "leave their mark". In another thread (dog parks), it has been noted that dogs are more apt to become aggressive when leashed and the dogs on the squares have to be leashed. Actually, according to the restrictions here, they must be leashed when not in the confines of your own property. As you said about it being too noisy for yours when you did take them (it), it is usually too noisy for most animals. I've even heard some of the "two-legged" ones say they were ready to go home because it was too noisy to visit. My dog is too old for the parks, but that seems like a good idea if people must have their dogs in a social setting....there than can be off leash and socialize with their own species. As you said, people go to the squares to enjoy the entertainment and other people.

That's because there often is not one at Lake Paradise Dog Park nor around the trees outside this Villages dog park where many dogs seem to go to pee and poop.

Sometimes there is a smell at these two places if the sun has been not out long enough for the pee to evaporate. Remember though where it seems the Villages gets most of its irrigation water? If you want to smell something quite bad, check out the sprinklers on any of the many golf courses in TV.

I took my leashed dog to TV squares on my way to the Grateful Dog, the Whole Earth Pet Supply, PetCo, Pet Smart or some other store near the Villages' squares which allow dogs in their stores. This was not late in the evening when I visited the squares with a pooch in tow.

[clyd709]

I am the first one irritated when somebody highjacks a thread, but I want to jump in for a moment because somebody mentioned "service dogs." There is a new "trick" among some dog owners that is gaining popularity. They put a little cape or sign on their "regular" dog that says, "service dog" or "service dog in training" so they can take it where it isn't suppose to be. Takes a lot of nerve HUH? Okay, now back (or bark) to the "dogs at town square thread."

I agree 100% with what you are saying. I for one have several family members whow have service dogs. My 2 cousins are totally blind and have had Guide Dogs most of their adult lives. Registered Service Dogs come from Accredited Guide Dog or Sservice Dog Schools and the Handlers have Picture Id's from their Schools certifying that the are Bona Fide Trained Canines. If you ever suspect someone is faking it just very politely start up a conversation and they will usually be very willing to tell you about the wonderfull school that there dog is from. If they are hdesitent ask to see there Photo I.D and that usually gets them a little flusterred if they are faking it. It is sad that this sort of thing happens but in to-days world nothing amazes me. If you suspect that the dog is not a Registered Service Dog then report it to the Local Authorities It usually takes only a few minutes to figure this out when talking to the person. Proffesionally Trained Service Dogs are the most wonderfull thing in this world to a person who Cannot See, Are Deaf. Or Have Seizures. 99% of people who have Service Animals are Real but you always get a few scammers out there who make it bad for everyone. I say all of this from real experience because I have been extensivley involved with Guide Dogs For The Blind for over 20 years. If you need any info please E.Mail me with any questions you may have.Thank you Please excuse my typo errors was in a hurry to get this on line

[cabo35]

But really... if people must bring their pets, they should be on a leash that is ATTACHED to their owner!

Right on! On several occasions I have observed dogs walking obnoxious owners at the town squares. Those owners need to be leashed when in public places.

[SteveZ]

:agree: The woman was an idiot to have an unleashed dog roaming around. :cus:

People like that ruin it for the majority of dog owners, who are intelligent and considerate.

Agreed. All the laws in the world have never been able to curb "stupid" and inconsiderate behavior.

[GatbTester]

For what we pay in amenities monthly, those sidewalks and the town squares BETTER be public, or you are going to see a huge wall of complaining home owner's come crashing down right on the developer's door step.

[golfnut]

Gat, what do amenity fees have to do with the Squares.

[KathieI]

I love meeting the dogs at the square, my only concern is idiot owners.

A few months ago it was extremely busy at LSL and someone had their dog on a long leash and I almost tripped on the leash and the dog. For goodness sake, please, please, keep your dog on a short leash. They shouldn't be so far in front of you that pedestrians can't see them and there could be an accident. Or don't walk them through the crowds at all, dogs don't belong there unless you're carrying them.

[Campbell soup]

How about a poll on this matter? I do not how to set it up... I would love to see how many people really would vote to have dogs at the squares.
I have a beautiful dog...however, her or I wouldn't like her at the squares! She would much rather stay home (at least thats what she told me LOL)

[The Great Fumar]

:agree: The woman was an idiot to have an unleashed dog roaming around. :cus:.

Forgive me for not thinking quick enough to ask her what her major was..

fumar

here major , here major.....

[Bogie Shooter]

I predict this thread will have over 50 comments and 1500views.:2excited:

My estimate may have been too low.

[Hancle704]

Will they also prohibit Cougars?

[The Great Fumar]

Will they also prohibit Cougars?

NO , I think C---ls will be able to go.......

( com-on guys, its a joke )

[chelsea24]

NO , I think C---ls will be able to go.......

( com-on guys, its a joke )


hmmmm..... now who's name begins with a "C"??? Fumar! Are you being a bad little boy again? :laugh:

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm63/chelsea24_photos/love-me-obey-me-worship-me.gif

[Taj44]

I know I will probably catch you-know-what for this, but I'm glad someone brought this front and center. Let me start by saying I have a dog (did have 2 but one died at 16) so I am an animal lover. The point is, they are animals and as such have their place. Not everyone thinks my little darling is as cute as I do, and I respect that. I don't understand why these people cannot leave them at home for a couple of hours. I know they don't take them to the doctors office, church, grocery store, restaurants, etc. Even man Villages offices are posted that animals not allowed. If they can't bear to leave them long enough to socialize, then they need to stay home with them or at the very least keep them leashed and in the cart with them. We were at SS one evening when a little girl was bitten in the face and nobody did a thing. I would not have been so calm had it been my child or grandchild. The owner acted as if the child should have not been there and was really rude to the grandparents. On another point, the smell is going to be an issue as the weather heats up, expecially now that there are so many people bringing their dogs. Service dogs are another matter and are working and usually are not allowed to be petted, etc. They should be allowed there as they are other places.

We love our pets too, but the situation at the squares seems a little out of hand. I agree with your comments.

[BUC]

I agree no pets in the squares, including KIDS

[Talk Host]

I agree no pets in the squares, including KIDS

I hope this is a joke!:shrug:

[beady]

Quite simple dogs on their leash. On second thought, maybe it's the idiot owners who should be on a leash.

[KathieI]

Quite simple dogs on their leash. On second thought, maybe it's the idiot owners who should be on a leash.

:agree::agree:Great post, Beady. I agree, love the dogs, not sure about idiot owners.

[musicman]

[QUOTE=dillywho;200783]...I know they don't take them to the doctors office, church, grocery store, restaurants, etc. QUOTE]

Ah, grasshopper, you are mistaken...

I have seen pets in all but church. Also in many retail businesses. I think there are health codes restricting animals (other than service animals) in restaurants and grocery stores. In my younger days I worked retail and restaurants and was amazed at what people allowed their pets to do in those business. Also, how beligerent many got when asked to please remove their pets. I believe that the business may have some liability if a patrons pet harms another customer. And those that have the "small" pets that they hold in their arms believe they are exempt from the rule.

I am a pet lover myself. But I think there are times and places for pets. There should be few restrictions in public places. But in non-public places pets should be restricted. Sorry, those who say that a grocery store (retail store, doctor's office, etc...) is "public". It is not.

And, believe it or not, some people are AFRAID of animals (gasp). My father, big, strong manly man was attacked by a dog at a young age and nearly lost sight in one eye. He is a man that fears little, but get him in an enclosed space with a dog and he is a basket case.

[Campbell soup]

Nicely put Musicman...:beer3:

I agree 100%

[Stub3434]

I have heard reports from a few members of a local church that there is a member of the church who brings his dog to church. He parks in a space reserved for visitors, even tho he has been attending regularly for some time. Then he seats his small dog next to him during the service. Complaints to the ministry have been met with the remark that they would prefer to have him attend church rather that lose him by banning his dog. Unbelievable but true. I am a dog lover, and have had many great dogs in my lifetime, but they don't belong in public buildings, offices, restaurants, or within the confines of TV town squares.

[golf79]

Couldn't have said it better myself. When will Pet Owners understand that many do not feel the same as they do. I despise going to public places to be barked at, have my leg smelled and licked, or to be jumped on by a dog whose owner thinks that such actions are cute. Have no problem with you loving your pets as long as you keep them out of public places. Smother them with love in your own home, not on the Town Square.

Does anyone know where I can cast my vote to support this rumored ban of Pets in Town Squares?

[graciegirl]

I always feel so sad when I read these kinds of threads. I am a person who does not have a dog but likes them very much.

I suppose I should try to understand those who dislike dogs very much.

At this point, I seem to feel more comfortable with people who like dogs.

But I have a lot to learn. I am young. I won't be 70 until next month.

[Campbell soup]

It amazes me how we give our pets human characteristics. I am guilty of this…as are many pet lovers. Every morning my 100 lb German shepherd “Jazzy” sits by my side and watches me drink my coffee. I talk she listens and never disagree with anything I say. Occasionally, she will go sit by the window and guard the door ensuring that no squirrels or Landscapers get near our house. Then when she is absolutely sure that all is secured she comes back and sits next to me again. Dogs are truly amazing animals….they give us unconditional love and true friendship. Is it any wonder that we want them by us as much as possible? However, she knows that there are certain buildings and places she just can’t go and she understands.

[nONIE]

And, I believe that we can learn some really wonderful things from our dogs. They are nonjudgemental and love you no matter what you look like , no matter what your hang ups. Its difficult for humans to feel unconditional love and this is something I admire so much in our canine friends. Spell dog backwards, I dont believe that it is just a coincidence.

[golfnut]

If you want to know who really loves you, put your wife and your dog in the trunk of your car for an hour, then open the trunk and see which one is glad to see you.......(it's just a joke)....GN

[ajdeck]

I always feel so sad when I read these kinds of threads. I am a person who does not have a dog but likes them very much.

I suppose I should try to understand those who dislike dogs very much.

At this point, I seem to feel more comfortable with people who like dogs.

But I have a lot to learn. I am young. I won't be 70 until next month.

Graciegirl,

I think (know) you are on to something here. "I seem to feel more comfortable with people who like dogs". Seems as if those people are very understanding, charitable and giving.

Just my thoughts from all the people who have been and are in my life.

aj

[joannej]

Perhaps a compromise could be met wherein dogs are requested not to go to the squares during the busy times. I'm sure they get their toes stepped on quite a bit too. It's just common sense to leave them home when the crowds are there. And if you know you have an aggressive animal, don't take them at all. :smiley:

[Barefoot]

Graciegirl,

I think (know) you are on to something here. "I seem to feel more comfortable with people who like dogs". Seems as if those people are very understanding, charitable and giving.

Just my thoughts from all the people who have been and are in my life.

aj
:agree::agree:

I also agree with joanne that shy and aggressive animals shouldn't be taken to the Town Squares. And that dog owners should be very respectful of others.

However I see no reason why conscientious dog owners should be banned from taking their dogs to the Town Squares. I've seen many people get enjoyment from patting the dogs. They walk away with a smile on their face.
And that's a good thing.

[F16 1UB]

I didn't go back through & read all the posts. As a member of the Responsible Dog Owner Group 2 (RDOG2) it has been recommended that owners NOT bring their pets to the squares. Sorry, you'll have to witness Teddy in action at the dog park or walking in our hood.

[Xavier]

Perhaps a compromise could be met wherein dogs are requested not to go to the squares during the busy times. I'm sure they get their toes stepped on quite a bit too. It's just common sense to leave them home when the crowds are there. And if you know you have an aggressive animal, don't take them at all. :smiley:

Such excellent advice. Now if we could get people who have aggressive or grouchy spouses (or significant others) to leave them home then we wouldn't have as many complaints about our beloved pets. :boxing2:

[Tweety Bird]

:agree: The woman was an idiot to have an unleashed dog roaming around. :cus:

People like that ruin it for the majority of dog owners, who are intelligent and considerate.

Yes, she WAS an idiot and her rudeness and lack of gratefulness in someone trying to "help" is maddening. I cannot tolerate rude people. A leash for your dog is a protection for other people not to fall over it and furthermore, I don't want some dog sniffing my privates in public either. Majorly rude if that dog is NOT on a leash!

[Xavier]

Yes, she WAS an idiot and her rudeness and lack of gratefulness in someone trying to "help" is maddening. I cannot tolerate rude people. A leash for your dog is a protection for other people not to fall over it and furthermore, I don't want some dog sniffing my privates in public either. Majorly rude if that dog is NOT on a leash!

Oh man what a lead in, but I just refuse to ask the question. I'm smarter than that!:duck:

[JimJoe]

Yes, she WAS an idiot and her rudeness and lack of gratefulness in someone trying to "help" is maddening. I cannot tolerate rude people. A leash for your dog is a protection for other people not to fall over it and furthermore, I don't want some dog sniffing my privates in public either. Majorly rude if that dog is NOT on a leash!

I dont like that in private or public.. but to each his own..

[Xavier]

http://www.andiesisle.com/GoD_and_DoG.html

[golf2140]

First the buffalo. Now dogs in the Town Squares. :sigh:

Next they'll be banning golf carts. :icon_bored:

Remember they were removed because of dumb people !!!!

[joannej]

:agree::agree:

I also agree with joanne that shy and aggressive animals shouldn't be taken to the Town Squares. And that dog owners should be very respectful of others.

However I see no reason why conscientious dog owners should be banned from taking their dogs to the Town Squares. I've seen many people get enjoyment from patting the dogs. They walk away with a smile on their face.
And that's a good thing.
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I love seeing the different breeds of dogs at the square and, Barefoot, you're right, I do get enjoyment from talking to dog owners and also from petting the dogs (with first getting the owner's permission). At a craft show in Pittsburgh, I enjoyed talking to a woman who had a wolf with her on a leash, of course. The wolf was a rescue animal. She was one of the vendors at the show. If a determination is made not to have animals at the squares, the vendors will be affected by it too (since some of them travel the country to go to these shows.) But I really hope that a "total" ban doesn't happen. It would be a shame!

[doster]

I love my pets and everybody elses pets but I agree that there should be a line drawn. When I go to the town squares and see the doggies there they look like if they could talk they would say "Take me home". It is loud and crowded. I think they would be more comfortable asleep at home waiting for their owner to come home. I take my dogs for rides and walks and they love that. Don't forget doggie do run. I just think town square is my time. I would be too busy worrying about my dogs to dance and visit with people. Also I have seen small children run up to dogs and grab them before anyone can do anything. You never know when a dog will bite especially when startled. I love animals. I am a volunteer at the humane society. I think everything has its place and doggie parks are best for visiting with other pets and the owners. I would totally understand if a regulation was passed about animals in the town squares.

[otherbruddaDarrell]

Use common sense is what it boils down to. We have a Bichon and a teacup Chihuahua that love to go for rides and socialize. This keeps them friendly and well adjusted.
We never take them to a square when there is any kind of event going on and it is crowded. Most times we will park our golfcart and stay in it with them and listen to the music. People come to us and ask about them and if they can pet them etc.
Once a week our so we will take them for a walk at the boardwalk and look at the turtles and fish and stay maybe 15-20 minutes.
We keep ours on a very short leash and I usually carry "Bambi", our teacup.
Too many times I have seen people bring dogs and not have water for them or have them on too long of a leash.
There are many responsible owners that use good sense but on the other hand there are some real "boneheads" that do not.:duck:
p.s If you take a dog somewhere, bring a bag and clean up any mess!:boxing2:

[Talk Host]

Use common sense is what it boils down to. !:boxing2:

Trouble is that all laws are passed because common sense is not definable. People differ about what common sense is. So, the authorities step in and draw the line. In this case, banning all dogs at the squares seems to be the most sensible thing to do.

[golfnut]

TH, why is banning ALL dogs the most sensible thing to do?

[Xavier]

Trouble is that all laws are passed because common sense is not definable. People differ about what common sense is. So, the authorities step in and draw the line. In this case, banning all dogs at the squares seems to be the most sensible thing to do.

Huh? Where did that come from? :confused:

[Boomer]

Trouble is that all laws are passed because common sense is not definable. People differ about what common sense is. So, the authorities step in and draw the line. In this case, banning all dogs at the squares seems to be the most sensible thing to do.

Nope. I don't think so, TH.

Who is going to enforce a banning? And how? What? Up against the wall? Frisked for carrying dog biscuits without a permit? Fines? A day in court? A night at the pound? Not to mention a whole lot of angry Villagers with pitchforks and torches. I can't see it happening,TH. It does not make sense.

And if a banning were to be posted, but not enforced, couldn't that drag TV into the liability line-up if an incident occurred that resulted in a lawsuit? (I don't know the legal answer to that one, but I would think it would put TV on the legal responsibility radar. Maybe not. Don't know. Just a thought.)

When I am there, my dog will not be at the square. But that does not mean that I would run around trying to make everybody else's dog go home.

I think maybe when the tale starts wagging the dog on this subject, it is possible that the rumors could go out there about an impending banning and that could result in a little discussion, at least, and maybe a couple of people might get a clue to shorten the leash. Not everybody, of course. That never happens. But a banning? That would just cause a bigger problem.

Now, what I really need to know is whether or not dogs are allowed to use floats in the pools.

Boomer

[days2go]

While I'm up here reading all these posts about peoples dogs, I did a little research. This is what I found. A TOTV'er wrote a post about his mother-in-laws ruptured appendix. It garnered about 22 replies for her to get well. When another TOTV'er posted about her sick dog, it generated over 45 replies to get well. If you think I'm exaggerating look them up and do the math. Could it be that some people hold animals in higher regard than humans on this site. One of them even asked what dog spelled backwards is? I would suggest anyone trying to put any kind of restraint on dog owners habits good or bad think again..

[chelsea24]

Nope. I don't think so, TH.

Who is going to enforce a banning? And how? What? Up against the wall? Frisked for carrying dog biscuits without a permit? Fines? A day in court? A night at the pound? Not to mention a whole lot of angry Villagers with pitchforks and torches. I can't see it happening,TH. It does not make sense.

And if a banning were to be posted, but not enforced, couldn't that drag TV into the liability line-up if an incident occurred that resulted in a lawsuit? (I don't know the legal answer to that one, but I would think it would put TV on the legal responsibility radar. Maybe not. Don't know. Just a thought.)

When I am there, my dog will not be at the square. But that does not mean that I would run around trying to make everybody else's dog go home.

I think maybe when the tale starts wagging the dog on this subject, it is possible that the rumors could go out there about an impending banning and that could result in a little discussion, at least, and maybe a couple of people might get a clue to shorten the leash. Not everybody, of course. That never happens. But a banning? That would just cause a bigger problem.

Now, what I really need to know is whether or not dogs are allowed to use floats in the pools.

Boomer

I am sooooooooo with you on this one! I love seeing the dogs in the square! Yes, of course, some people really don't know how to act with them... but, boy, seeing a happy, tail-waggin' pup, sure makes me smile! :laugh:

[KathieI]

While I'm up here reading all these posts about peoples dogs, I did a little research. This is what I found. A TOTV'er wrote a post about his mother-in-laws ruptured appendix. It garnered about 22 replies for her to get well. When another TOTV'er posted about her sick dog, it generated over 45 replies to get well. If you think I'm exaggerating look them up and do the math. Could it be that some people hold animals in higher regard than humans on this site. One of them even asked what dog spelled backwards is? I would suggest anyone trying to put any kind of restraint on dog owners habits good or bad think again..

You obviously didn't do your homework very well, the MIL thread had 2 separate threads, one for 22 and another for 10 after her condition improved. So what's your point?? And what have YOU contributed to this forum?? Not much except sarcasm and nastiness. Why don't you go back and make some espresso????

[Barefoot]

Trouble is that all laws are passed because common sense is not definable. People differ about what common sense is. So, the authorities step in and draw the line. In this case, banning all dogs at the squares seems to be the most sensible thing to do.

Following that logic, banning young children from the dance floors at the Town Squares would also be the sensible thing to do. Some of them run around irresponsibly without supervision and are a hazard to older people trying to dance.

However, in my humble opinion, common sense is realizing the town squares are public areas and that adults, dogs and young children should all be welcome. And all should be polite and respectful of others.

And Days2go needs to take a happy pill.

[Stub3434]

Good point. Maybe we're addressing these problems from the wrong angle. The banning from the squares should be directed at the parents, grand parents, etc. that bring the children and dogs to the squares and allow them to run wild. If you can't control your children and dogs then stay home with them instead of inflicting them upon the public. Same for people who allow under age children to drive golf carts or who don't know how to properly navigate the roundabouts. Oops! - A couple more subjects that have been beaten to death. Face it: there are going to be some people that are going to do things their way regardless of rules, laws or public opinion. Try to politely tell someone that their 7 year old grand son shouldn't be driving a golf cart and listen to their response. And we wonder how those little tykes learn all that filthy language. :22yikes:

[Muncle]

Don't worry about any of these meaningless peccadilloes. Whether it be yappy dogs with diarrhea on the squares, obnoxious brats running wild and illegally driving golf carts, pig-headed drivers refusing to drive the roundabouts correctly, or bathers using non-approved flotation devices in the various pools, all these issues of contention will soon be matters of the past. Once the peoples of the world adopt the conciliatory attitude for which our president was justifiably awarded the Nobel Prize for Peace, all will be perfect.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mOEU87SBTU






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[otherbruddaDarrell]

:welcome:
I thought I read in the paper a while back that Codys roadhouse will be pet friendly on the outside..........................
:popcorn:

[billethkid]

you will NEVER see a dog "running wild" in a town square. Most dog owners are significantly more responsible than parents and grand parents.

Some need to understand that that when the nest is empty and we are up in years our dogs provide a significant companion ship. The are family as much as a spouse, a child or grand child. The discussion of closing squares to select members of other's family is sorta narrow minded and selfish.

I would also bet that none who have an issue, real or otherwise. have ever been bothered by a dog in the town square.

Ya see if we are going to start purifying the requirements for being allowed in a town square we need to start contemplating the loud, the boistrous, the drunks, the cigarette smokers, and what ever else fits the grumpies list to exclude.

If you can tolerate the array of the two legged undesirables, dogs are far and away more tolerable.

Of course we are responsible dog owners who know their dog is better behaved than many, MANY humans of all sizes and ages.

btk

[chelsea24]

Don't worry about any of these meaningless peccadilloes. Whether it be yappy dogs with diarrhea on the squares, obnoxious brats running wild and illegally driving golf carts, pig-headed drivers refusing to drive the roundabouts correctly, or bathers using non-approved flotation devices in the various pools, all these issues of contention will soon be matters of the past. Once the peoples of the world adopt the conciliatory attitude for which our president was justifiably awarded the Nobel Prize for Peace, all will be perfect.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mOEU87SBTU



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Wonderful! Yes, you're right! I think President Obama is bringing that feeling to the world. If it was your intent to make fun of this commercial (because I know your views are not the same in Political) I will point out (as and old advertising person) this won an incredible amount of awards around the world. Nice to see it and reminisce.

[Julie]

Oh Muncle, you tickled my funnybone today! :D

I'd like to add "don't sweat the small stuff" to your advice of not worrying about the meaningless peccadilloes. Life is WAY too short to let all of this bother us. Can't we just all get along? :shrug:

P.S. Muncle, Unfortunately I don't think any amount of teaching will help me with my singing.;)

[Tweety Bird]

Don't worry about any of these meaningless peccadilloes. Whether it be yappy dogs with diarrhea on the squares, obnoxious brats running wild and illegally driving golf carts, pig-headed drivers refusing to drive the roundabouts correctly, or bathers using non-approved flotation devices in the various pools, all these issues of contention will soon be matters of the past. Once the peoples of the world adopt the conciliatory attitude for which our president was justifiably awarded the Nobel Prize for Peace, all will be perfect.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mOEU87SBTU






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I LOVE this!!!!!!!!!! Oh, I just love this kind of humor Muncle! I was ready to put up my peace sign and smoke a coke. :a040:

[golf79]

:welcome:
I thought I read in the paper a while back that Codys roadhouse will be pet friendly on the outside..........................
:popcorn:

Wouldn't stay away from Codys just because of a bunch of Dogs outside the front door (which would actually be enough to keep me away) but also because it's kind of a yukky place with mediocre food and mostly stale peanuts..

[Bogie Shooter]

[QUOTE=The are family as much as a spouse, a child or grand child.

btk[/QUOTE]
This seems like a stretch!

[Barefoot]

you will NEVER see a dog "running wild" in a town square. Most dog owners are significantly more responsible than parents and grand parents.

Some need to understand that that when the nest is empty and we are up in years our dogs provide a significant companion ship. The are family as much as a spouse, a child or grand child. The discussion of closing squares to select members of other's family is sorta narrow minded and selfish.

I would also bet that none who have an issue, real or otherwise. have ever been bothered by a dog in the town square.

Ya see if we are going to start purifying the requirements for being allowed in a town square we need to start contemplating the loud, the boistrous, the drunks, the cigarette smokers, and what ever else fits the grumpies list to exclude.

If you can tolerate the array of the two legged undesirables, dogs are far and away more tolerable.

Of course we are responsible dog owners who know their dog is better behaved than many, MANY humans of all sizes and ages.

btk

BTK, I totally agree that dogs are part of the family. My spouse is not yet retired. When he isn't in TV, my dogs are my family. And they offer me wonderful companionship and unconditional love.

But only those who have been privileged to have that special relationship with a dog will agree with your comment.

[aln]

Wouldn't stay away from Codys just because of a bunch of Dogs outside the front door (which would actually be enough to keep me away) but also because it's kind of a yukky place with mediocre food and mostly stale peanuts..


I don't mean to hi-jack the thread but just a little story about Codys...
I took my mother to the one in Ocala.... we ate.. we sat.. it was okay!
When we got home my wife asked where did we eat because we smelled of grease!
Mediocre is a good word.

[Talk Host]

you will NEVER see a dog "running wild" in a town square.

btk

I'm sorry, but I have seen unleashed dogs at Spanish Springs more than once. I have seen a dog snarl at an innocent passer-by. A woman allowed (encouraged) her dog to come up behind me and put its wet nose on the back of my leg. It was unwelcome on my part. She thought it was hysterical. The very first week we were here, six years ago, an elderly woman tripped over a long leash and my friend and I caught her as she headed face first for the ground. The dog owner never uttered a word, just huffed away.

Dogs are animals and they are your pets, not mine. I don't have pets for a reason. I really don't care to have your pets sharing my eating area or dancing area.

[Hawkwind]

I was at the square at SS in December and a very large dog attacked a very small poodle right next to the bar just across from Katie Belle's. The employee came out of the door and grabbed the big dog and tried to pull it away and was having all he could handle. He finally went to the ground and rolled over with the big dog in a bear hold to get them apart.

[Xavier]

Talk Host, SAD - VERY SAD:sad:

[Talk Host]

According to the National Center for Disease Control:




Dogs bite more than 4.7 million people annually.
Almost 800,000 bites per year -- one out of every 6 -- are serious enough to require medical attention.

The vast majority of biting dogs (77%) belong to the victim's family or a friend.

Dogs that are licensed with an identifiable owner are implicated in the vast majority of dog bites

Dog attacks account for one-third of all liability claims on homeowners' insurance policies

[Xavier]

... and I so love statistics, but they can't be your friend and pal - giver of unconditional love and true loyalty. To know those things is to have really lived. To fear those things must be horrible. Statistics are nice, but they won't greet you at the door:)

[beady]

Well it all comes down to common sense........ and there is less and less of that in this world.

Take care that the dog you love so dearly doesn't infringe on the others who do not appreciate them. Make sure your grandchildren are having a good time but being respectful all the while.....and learn the rules of the road concerning our damnable round-abouts......common sense.

I have to agree with Bare.....people and dogs and kids should all welcome in the squares......the common area of our village.

[graciegirl]

Well it all comes down to common sense........ and there is less and less of that in this world.

Take care that the dog you love so dearly doesn't infringe on the others who do not appreciate them. Make sure your grandchildren are having a good time but being respectful all the while.....and learn the rules of the road concerning our damnable round-abouts......common sense.

I have to agree with Bare.....people and dogs and kids should all welcome in the squares......the common area of our village.

Oh Beady. As always the voice of reason. And a responsible dog owner, grandparent and friend. I very much agree with what you said and am looking forward to the little puppy you are expecting. You were such a devoted owner to your late little cocker spaniel, Bosun, who I sadly never had the pleasure to meet.

[Talk Host]

... and I so love statistics, but they can't be your friend and pal - giver of unconditional love and true loyalty. To know those things is to have really lived. To fear those things must be horrible. Statistics are nice, but they won't greet you at the door:)


Rock on!!!!!

[chuckinca]

folks with cats don't have these earth shaking issues or have to walk around picking up poop in baggies.

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[Muncle]

... and I so love statistics, but they can't be your friend and pal - giver of unconditional love and true loyalty. To know those things is to have really lived. To fear those things must be horrible. Statistics are nice, but they won't greet you at the door:)
or pee on your new carpet or hump you boss's wife's leg.

To each his own, and your own ends where TH's own begins.

It really doesn't matter if almost everyone present thinks your dog is adorable. If the creature runs loose and approaches anyone who do not want his attention, the dog should be either better trained or left at home. Similarly, if the human cannot accept reasonable behavior by fellow resident and their pets in an environment where such behavior is routinely accepted, then the human should be either better trained or left at home. In neither case would I recommend putting down the offending creature.



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[Tweety Bird]

folks with cats don't have these earth shaking issues or have to walk around picking up poop in baggies.

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if only I wasn't allergic to cat hair. They make me sick. But...I do like them from a distance.

[katezbox]

or pee on your new carpet or hump you boss's wife's leg.

To each his own, and your own ends where TH's own begins.

It really doesn't matter if almost everyone present thinks your dog is adorable. If the creature runs loose and approaches anyone who do not want his attention, the dog should be either better trained or left at home. Similarly, if the human cannot accept reasonable behavior by fellow resident and their pets in an environment where such behavior is routinely accepted, then the human should be either better trained or left at home. In neither case would I recommend putting down the offending creature.



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Muncle - once again the voice of reason. I would only add that the same be said for children. Allowing them to continually misbehave in public places interferes with others' enjoyment of the squares, restaurants, driving ranges, etc. - and certainly does the children no good either.

[salpal]

Last Saturday at Spanish Springs, I almost walked into a large pile of doggie doo, obviously from a larger dog. It was at the height of the antque car show. I did not see the offender, nor witness his action, but it was disgusting.

That being said, I love dogs, and would not want to see them banned. It is just amazing the lack of consideration some folks have. They need some lessons from the Responsible Dog Owners Club.

[BUC]

Are you sure it was dog poo and NOT grandkid poo?

[Talk Host]

Are you sure it was dog poo and NOT grandkid poo?

NIce try!:a20:

[The Great Fumar]

if only I wasn't allergic to cat hair. They make me sick. But...I do like them from a distance.

I HAD A CAT ONCE !! .

Fumar

[duffer4384]

Do a survey and see how many Villagers have pets. Tell those people to not bring their pets to the town squares. Watch all of the Villages pet owners boycot the town squares. I don't think the squares would survive. Prospective home buyers with pets will start looking elsewhere for retirement options. You're not dealing with wild animals here like buffalo, pets are a part of the familly. If there are isolated incidents involving careless pet owners, then they need to be dealt with individually.

[chuckinca]

I HAD A CAT ONCE !! .

Fumar


Prolly of pooch two!


(How did you get all caps?)

[GatbTester]

While there are just as many views on this subject as pet and non pet owners, perhaps a good rule of thumb would be to keep one's pet securely affixed to it's leash at all times and under control.........a safe pet is a good pet.

[billethkid]

a belief on a subject?
1. Dogs loose in the squares? Been here 5 years...have seen none.
2. Grandchildren/children mis-behaving in the squares? There will always be some and they are the ones remembered (unfortunately).
3. Boistrous loud talking/rude folks. Ditto 2 above.
4. etc
5. etc.

Add up all the minority incidents and the so called dog issue(s) are the least of the problems.....by a whole bunch!!!!!!!!

btk

[beady]

Thanks BTK that it in a nutshell......

[Barefoot]

Do a survey and see how many Villagers have pets. Tell those people to not bring their pets to the town squares. Watch all of the Villages pet owners boycot the town squares. I don't think the squares would survive. Prospective home buyers with pets will start looking elsewhere for retirement options. You're not dealing with wild animals here like buffalo, pets are a part of the familly. If there are isolated incidents involving careless pet owners, then they need to be dealt with individually.

:highfive: I like your perspective.

[Bosoxfan]

:sad:

Dogs are animals and they are your pets, not mine. I don't have pets for a reason. I really don't care to have your pets sharing my eating area or dancing area.[/QUOTE]

TH ..I understand some people are afraid of dogs..some are allergic,,some just don't like them ..But I wish all the above could experience something only pet owners have .UNCONDITIONAL LOVE.It's the greatest gift you receive when you become a pet owner...Nothing like it!!http://i1008.photobucket.com/albums/af206/Bosoxfan_photos/WhoMe.jpg

[Barefoot]

:sad:

Dogs are animals and they are your pets, not mine. I don't have pets for a reason. I really don't care to have your pets sharing my eating area or dancing area.

TH ..I understand some people are afraid of dogs..some are allergic,,some just don't like them ..But I wish all the above could experience something only pet owners have .UNCONDITIONAL LOVE.It's the greatest gift you receive when you become a pet owner...Nothing like it!!http://i1008.photobucket.com/albums/af206/Bosoxfan_photos/WhoMe.jpg[/QUOTE]

:mademyday:

[annie2]

If I were to meet up with your dog at the squares or a dog park, she would certainly have my attention. She looks like a gentle giant. Love your picture album.

[graciegirl]

She reminds me of a past, and very much loved old neighbor. Her name was Shadow and although she didn't belong to us, she was shared with our family and our kids just loved her.

[Bosoxfan]

If I were to meet up with your dog at the squares or a dog park, she would certainly have my attention. She looks like a gentle giant. Love your picture album.


She is the sweetest girl..thank you!!