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I read on page A7 of Sunday's Daily Sun that the POTUS, who has spent nearly a trillion dollars, has now asked federal workers to propose ways to help save $100 million in government spending. I didn't know whether to post this in this forum, or the "Just for Fun" forum. It's hard to comprehend a number like $1 trillion. To help illustrate, if a man was to get $1 every second, he would be $1 million richer in just 11.5 days. Continuing to get a dollar a second, it would take 32 years to become a billionaire. How long would it take to become a trillionaire??? He would have to be 32,000 years old. Saving this $100 million would be the equivalent of shaving a penny off of something that cost $100. This is who you elected as your president, folks... hope you're happy.

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I read on page A7 of Sunday's Daily Sun that the POTUS, who has spent nearly a trillion dollars, has now asked federal workers to propose ways to help save $100 million in government spending. I didn't know whether to post this in this forum, or the "Just for Fun" forum. It's hard to comprehend a number like $1 trillion. To help illustrate, if a man was to get $1 every second, he would be $1 million richer in just 11.5 days. Continuing to get a dollar a second, it would take 32 years to become a billionaire. How long would it take to become a trillionaire??? He would have to be 32,000 years old. Saving this $100 million would be the equivalent of shaving a penny off of something that cost $100. This is who you elected as your president, folks... hope you're happy.


100 days or so....

The government now basically owns the credit in the country

The government bails out GM and converts stock to common so operating decisions can be made by the government

The President will now use reconcilliation on the health care stituation

The congress has passed (without reading) a "stimulus bill" that was basically earmarks and social programs.

That "stimulus bill" was also loaded with "strings" to insure that states, in particular, would be beholden to the national government.

The national debt is so high it is difficult to even describe.


With all the praising and back slapping going on, this must be what everyone wanted !!

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Everyone minus at least one - me!

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/07/AR2008030702846.html

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in my extreme, overt challenge to control myself after reading the following article and picture:

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=96138

While the article dwells on the meaning being in the eye of the beholder, they missed the biggest point of all....that anybody would do something so disrespectful or have the audacity to use the messianic connotation with Obama.
That terminology was used during his campaign...it was disgusting then...now with a picture it is more so.

BTK

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/07/AR2008030702846.html
The article ends with "The United States will be paying the price of Iraq for decades to come. The price tag will be all the greater because we tried to ignore the laws of economics -- and the cost will grow the longer we remain."

I guess the author believes we should have shut up, turned a blind eye to everything, filled in the holes in NY, VA and PA, and just waited for the next time....

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I guess the author believes we should have shut up, turned a blind eye to everything, filled in the holes in NY, VA and PA, and just waited for the next time....

What did Iraq have to do with that?
Afghanistan...OK.
But why not Saudi Arabia....why Iraq?

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What did Iraq have to do with that?
Afghanistan...OK.
But why not Saudi Arabia....why Iraq?

Iraq was the quartermaster. I agree that the book is still open on the Saudis as to where the money comes from.

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I worked for Chrysler in the 1980s and remember that slogan "The Pride is Back America", I still have the button. More scared now than in the 1980's when we got back on our feet.....with a one billion dollar loan, that we paid back a year early...However, we had Lee Iacocca... man could Michgan (my home state) use him again.

I sure wish he was in the White House.....

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I worked for Chrysler in the 1980s and remember that slogan "The Pride is Back America", I still have the button. More scared now than in the 1980's when we got back on our feet.....with a one billion dollar loan, that we paid back a year early...However, we had Lee Iacocca... man could Michgan (my home state) use him again.

I sure wish he was in the White House.....


With the current situation in this country, I cannot see again another Lee Iacocca.

We are in a country now where redistribution of income is the by word...no need to try and pull yourself up and be somebody. Those days, I am afraid, are over ! Being succesfull seems now to be something to be ashamed of !

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in my extreme, overt challenge to control myself after reading the following article and picture:

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=96138

While the article dwells on the meaning being in the eye of the beholder, they missed the biggest point of all....that anybody would do something so disrespectful or have the audacity to use the messianic connotation with Obama.
That terminology was used during his campaign...it was disgusting then...now with a picture it is more so.

BTK


This is becoming very very disturbing and transcends any political differences !

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With the current situation in this country, I cannot see again another Lee Iacocca.
We are in a country now where redistribution of income is the by word...no need to try and pull yourself up and be somebody. Those days, I am afraid, are over ! Being succesfull seems now to be something to be ashamed of !

Keep in mind, Lee Iacocca pulled Chrysler Corp up by the taxpayer's bootstraps. The 1979 Auto Bailout money was guaranteed by the government.
Mr Iacocca said in his 2007 book(Where Have All the Leaders Gone?) ; "Am I the only guy in this country who's fed up with what's happening? Where the hell is our outrage? We should be screaming bloody murder. We've got a gang of clueless bozos steering our ship of state right over a cliff, we've got corporate gangsters stealing us blind, and we can't even clean up after a hurricane much less build a hybrid car. But instead of getting mad, everyone sits around and nods their heads when the politicians say, "Stay the course." Stay the course? You've got to be kidding. This is America, not the damned Titanic. I'll give you a sound bite: Throw the bums out!":eclipsee_gold_cup:

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Keep in mind, Lee Iacocca pulled Chrysler Corp up by the taxpayer's bootstraps. The 1979 Auto Bailout money was guaranteed by the government.
Mr Iacocca said in his 2007 book(Where Have All the Leaders Gone?) ; "Am I the only guy in this country who's fed up with what's happening? Where the hell is our outrage? We should be screaming bloody murder. We've got a gang of clueless bozos steering our ship of state right over a cliff, we've got corporate gangsters stealing us blind, and we can't even clean up after a hurricane much less build a hybrid car. But instead of getting mad, everyone sits around and nods their heads when the politicians say, "Stay the course." Stay the course? You've got to be kidding. This is America, not the damned Titanic. I'll give you a sound bite: Throw the bums out!":eclipsee_gold_cup:

I agree with his comments in 2007 and not sure what that has to do with CAMPBELLSOUP comments !!!

This is still a country of re distribute the income and there will be no more of those guys who made it with hard work and dedication...it is not worth it.

If you are not politically correct and involved with the government you are dubbed a "bad guy" !!

I am not cannonizing Lee....I met him and his father a few times....but he was a straight talking free market guy. He had a lot of issues with the Bush administration and most of them were legit. He did NOT borrow money from the government, at least I dont think so...he simply wanted their backing which led to funds as I recall !!!

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With the current situation in this country, I cannot see again another Lee Iacocca.

We are in a country now where redistribution of income is the by word...no need to try and pull yourself up and be somebody. Those days, I am afraid, are over ! Being successful seems now to be something to be ashamed of !

Bucco is right, we probably won't see another innovator like Iacocca coming from the CEO "CLASS"- In fact, the ACTUAL "redistribution" of wealth is the fully-documented obscene surge of CEO, management and Board compensation compared to the average American worker over the past 20 years.

CEO's and Boards are no longer concerned with innovation, rather they are more concerned with monopolies through Mergers and Aquisitions. THAT is the real income redistribution and class warfare that no-so-"Free Marketeers" would hoodwink the American people with. Class warfare from Free Marketeers are what is really choking off innovation, competition, capitalism and free enterprise.

"Being successful seems now to be something to be ashamed of." Well, if you look at the WANTON financial rape that CEO's and their Boards are perpetrating, THEY should be ashamed!

Iacocca, Sam Walton, Bill Gates, Buffett and other innovators should make as much as they possibly want to/or can. On the other hand, the incestuous relationship between CEO's and their Boards has bred a newer job category- "Professional CEO." These individuals may or may not be entrepreneurial, but their job classification makes them virtually immune to that criteria. Let's not even get started with trust funders like the 5 Walton Children and their "hard earned" 7 billion dollar (each) inheritances.

The real class war begins with corporate CEO shills. Take Robert Nardelli- who, fired from his $129 million debacle as CEO Home Depot, now runs Chrysler- into the ground. The argument was that Nardelli was not part of a public corporation (Chrysler went private in 2007)- but look who's got to bail them out now.

Making all of this "Socialist redistribution" crap even more offensive to intelligent people is the fact that stock options and payouts are taxed as Capital Gains rates,not as regular income. Guess who wants to eliminate the Capital Gains tax? Hint: It's not the "Socialist Redistributionists."

To make it even more offensive? Some corporate officers are offered compensation at "off-shore" tax rates- like zero percent in Grand Cayman or Luxembourg. While the IRA has cracked down on this, we've seen that large corporations are not always the most trustworthy when dealing with their P & L statements,or their compensation disclosures. Do we blame the poor schmoe who works for $10 an hour on an assembly line... or Enron or AIG or Citibank for this long-brewing economic crisis?

So folks, when you hear from the rear end of the horse how the "noble" front end of the horse can't "pull itself up and be somebody," consider the sources, generally speaking. Class warfare has been waged since Rome had slaves- and generally speaking, Rome always wins! Put blame for this where it belongs. Fortunately, the American people saw through the horse, uh, stuff, and bounced the greediest shills out of office. The problem, the Demcorats who replaced them are virtually identically indentured to those same Big Business warriors.

By the way- some interesting- and incontrovertible- statistics:

According to the U.S.Bureau of Labor Statistics:

In 1965, U.S. CEOs in major companies earned 24 times more than an average worker; this ratio grew to 35X in 1978, to 71X in 1989, and 143X in 2002.

In 2005 that figure was a whopping 262 times the average worker!

If you guys want to complain about schemes for "income redistribution" let's have a little honesty in the room.

During the same period in 2004, Japanese executives earned, on average 11times that of the Japanese worker, and in Germany CEO's earned 14X more. Neither of these countries have any of the "Socialist" redistribution systems that not-so-free-marketeers use as a diversion from their obscene apologetics of U.S. corporate executive greed.

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This is becoming very very disturbing and transcends any political differences !

Thanks Bucco- you said it. Unfortunately, this artist, who seems to be a nobody, figured out how to draw attention to his own mediocre work. He doesn't exist in the art world- but he is an illustrator.

Take a look at the quality of his "work" - 50's pulp interpretations- and see how mediocrity makes national headlines. Sadly, the "Art World" will suddenly value him as some avant garde genius, just like the jerk who put a crucifix in a "jar."

http://www.dantuonoarts.com/pn.html

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I am not cannonizing Lee....I met him and his father a few times....but he was a straight talking free market guy. He had a lot of issues with the Bush administration and most of them were legit. He did NOT borrow money from the government, at least I dont think so...he simply wanted their backing which led to funds as I recall !!!

I envy you, I would have enjoyed meeting Mr Iacocca. :beer3:
And, no, the government did not loan Chrysler the Auto Bailout monies. As I pointed out, the government only guaranteed the loan. Effectively, as taxpayers we were co-signers.

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Thanks Bucco- you said it. Unfortunately, this artist, who seems to be a nobody, figured out how to draw attention to his own mediocre work. He doesn't exist in the art world- but he is an illustrator.

Take a look at the quality of his "work" - 50's pulp interpretations- and see how mediocrity makes national headlines. Sadly, the "Art World" will suddenly value him as some avant garde genius, just like the jerk who put a crucifix in a "jar."

http://www.dantuonoarts.com/pn.html

The bad part is, and this you will not agree with, that I said on here during the campaign that the President and many of his followers BELIEVE this image totally (see Farakhan calling him the messiah). There is a webpage devoted to adoration of him in a religious manner....he is saying one thing and doing another and nobody cares.

To me, anyway, this is scary....I suppose from the polls folks just want to have the Federal Government all over their life and to have their children totally indebted, and each day we lose more to the government.

As I said, it must be me...I have been on this "bandwagon" for a long long time and he is doing EVERYTHING I predicted. I guess I have to accept the fact I am in the minority....seems we want this kind of adoration and BLIND loyalty !

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to those who either voted for him or are the blind followers.

A lawyer and a politician as well as his other background issues any or all in the same sentence with anything religious or messianic is a multiple oxymoron!!!

The really bad part is he likes the slant. Harry Ried quotes Obama as telling him " I have a gift"........sorry..barf

Dem/Republican/black/white/brown/yellow/et al it is wrong to emulate a religious bearing....I know freedom of speech/religion/et al....the operative aspect is right or wrong. Obama with a religious aura adds insult to what he already does.

BTK

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There is a webpage devoted to adoration of him in a religious manner....he is saying one thing and doing another and nobody cares.

To me, anyway, this is scary.... I guess I have to accept the fact I am in the minority....seems we want this kind of adoration and BLIND loyalty !

The site that is mentioned is actually a clever and rather funny right-wing blog. If you check the quotes from 2008 & 2007, you'll see many entries by such "Obama worshippers" as RedState.org, National Review, Hannity, and the like. Somewhere along the way, the blogger realized that dressing the site up as a shrine to Obama would actually be more effective- and he's right, "All Right", alright?

Meanwhile, I'm working on a card catalog for the George W. Bush Presidential Library Scholar's Room. Let me know what you think:

"Bite, Barney, Bite!"

"Deciding for Dummies"

"You Are Different and That's Bad"

"Where's Uncle Dick?- a Puzzle Book"

"Things Rich Kids Have, But You Never Will"

"Ken Lay, Jack Abramoff & Me: A Love Story"

"Fun Four-letter Words to Know and Share"

"My Name is Bush: How to get into Yale & Harvard Without Even Trying"

"Cheerleading for Alcoholics"

"The 10 Best National Guard Bases to Disappear From"

"Running a Successful Oil Company"

"Running a Sucessful Baseball Team"

"Running a Sucessful Balanced National Budget"

"Colin: The Little Sissy Who Snitched"

"Getting 35 Million Dollar Loans From Arabs for Dummies"

"God Told Me I was Special, Very Special"

"How to Pronounce 'Noocular' and 10 Other Big Words"

"Pop! Goes The Hamster...And Other Great Microwave Games"

"Curious George Tries to Open a Door"

"Hammers, Axes and Scissors: How to hold them Safely"

"How to Shoot Your Friend and Have Him say I'm Sorry"

"Laura Was So Bad Her Mom Stopped Loving Her"

"The Man in the Moon Is Actually Satan"

"Mission Accomplished for Dummies"

"25 best Drinking Spots in the White House"

"My Life, My Love, My Condie"

"Some Kittens Can Fly" (by Barnie)

"Congress: Whining, Kicking and Crying to Get Your Way"

"Exploring The Magic World Inside the Abandoned Refrigerator"

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The site that is mentioned is actually a clever and rather funny right-wing blog. If you check the quotes from 2008 & 2007, you'll see many entries by such "Obama worshippers" as RedState.org, National Review, Hannity, and the like. Somewhere along the way, the blogger realized that dressing the site up as a shrine to Obama would actually be more effective- and he's right, "All Right", alright?

Meanwhile, I'm working on a card catalog for the George W. Bush Presidential Library Scholar's Room. Let me know what you think:

"Bite, Barney, Bite!"

"Deciding for Dummies"

"You Are Different and That's Bad"

"Where's Uncle Dick?- a Puzzle Book"

"Things Rich Kids Have, But You Never Will"

"Ken Lay, Jack Abramoff & Me: A Love Story"

"Fun Four-letter Words to Know and Share"

"My Name is Bush: How to get into Yale & Harvard Without Even Trying"

"Cheerleading for Alcoholics"

"The 10 Best National Guard Bases to Disappear From"

"Running a Successful Oil Company"

"Running a Sucessful Baseball Team"

"Running a Sucessful Balanced National Budget"

"Colin: The Little Sissy Who Snitched"

"Getting 35 Million Dollar Loans From Arabs for Dummies"

"God Told Me I was Special, Very Special"

"How to Pronounce 'Noocular' and 10 Other Big Words"

"Pop! Goes The Hamster...And Other Great Microwave Games"

"Curious George Tries to Open a Door"

"Hammers, Axes and Scissors: How to hold them Safely"

"How to Shoot Your Friend and Have Him say I'm Sorry"

"Laura Was So Bad Her Mom Stopped Loving Her"

"The Man in the Moon Is Actually Satan"

"Mission Accomplished for Dummies"

"25 best Drinking Spots in the White House"

"My Life, My Love, My Condie"

"Some Kittens Can Fly" (by Barnie)

"Congress: Whining, Kicking and Crying to Get Your Way"

"Exploring The Magic World Inside the Abandoned Refrigerator"


As I have said many times on here I am no fan of Bush, HOWEVER, I am less of a fan of those who find it funny to blame everything on him which is totally ludicrious.

The fly over NYC would have been headlines and the fodder to blame Bush...it is not funny and it tells me what you do at night...watch MSNBC..they have such fun at his expense nightly...and I thought they were Obama supporters who wanted to move on !!!!

I cannot imagine my posting such things as have been said about this man....most of it personal and not much to do with policy..I cannot imagine saying such personal things about ANY PRESIDENT OF ANY PARTY ! It surely speaks to the character of the posters who do this.

I have not supportted President Obama, but with over 1000 posts all in the political forum you will not find one that talks about him PERSONALLY !!! You will find me talk about his idealogy and his background but nothing so personal as folks seem to find fun about an ex President !

I do not understand people who aim so low...as I said..speaks to character !

You ask what I may think...I think it is disgusting and obscene to attack ANYONE with such personal venom whether they be private or public !

Your attempt at humor if that is what is was is totally lost on me !

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"The fly over NYC would have been headlines and the fodder to blame Bush...it is not funny and it tells me what you do at night...watch MSNBC..they have such fun at his expense nightly...and I thought they were Obama supporters who wanted to move on !!!!"

Actually the liberal media is FURIOUS over the flyover, and Obama's seeming unwillingness to can the guy who planned it. They're New Yorkers remember, as am I. I lost two acquaintances, one a fireman and would have lost two very close friends at Cantor-Fitzgerald had fate not interceded that morning in a baby's toothache!

MSNBC reported that Louis Caldera, a former Secretary of the Army who runs the White House Military Office, took the blame- but he also instructed the mission to be classified, instructed the FAA to be silent about it, and dismissed concerns about 9/11 memories.

Clearly, the planners- and Obama- do not think like NY'ers & the event and its aftermath are being chalked up to "oops!" That won't be good enough, and shows tremendous insensitivity. There will be a quick learning curve on this one.

Regarding Bush-teasing & taunting, sorry you feel that way. One man's umbrage is another man's satire. Public personalities will always be open to scrutiny. It could be generationally or tempermentally-based. I've found that feelings about Saturday Night Live are a good indicator of where the humor/satire meter is set.

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"Ken Lay, Jack Abramoff & Me: A Love Story"


"My Name is Bush: How to get into Yale & Harvard Without Even Trying"
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Nice tongue-in-cheek list.

Maybe you should consider:

My name is Al Gore and Bill and I were the only people to invite Ken Lay to the White House. We discussed 'cap and trade'. Ken thought it was a great idea since it could make lots of money for Enron.

I'm Al Gore and I flunked out of Vanderbilt three times.

I'm Al Gore and I invented the internet.

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Nice tongue-in-cheek list.

Maybe you should consider:

My name is Al Gore and Bill and I were the only people to invite Ken Lay to the White House. We discussed 'cap and trade'. Ken thought it was a great idea since it could make lots of money for Enron.

I'm Al Gore and I flunked out of Vanderbilt three times.

I'm Al Gore and I invented the internet.

Oh, trust me, there's more than enough titles for the Clinton/Gore Library.

I'd start it with:

"What Is, is"

"A Presidential Guide to Cigars"

and finish with something like

"I AM the Internet"

They need to be "pithy" as O'Reilly would say!

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redefining terms to suit their position/statements....for example the famous...with pointing finger at the audience..."I did not have sex with that woman"...
They all do it. That is how lawyers think/act/behave.
To quote the well worn expression regarding politicians ethics....if their lips are moving they are lying.

BTK