Good bye pontiac

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GM cuts Pontiac out of Line Up::: WOW cuts got to start somewhere??

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30438201/

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GMONEY,
We are from Michigan and have felt this blow and many others over the last few months. Never in our wildest dreams would we believe that GM or Chrysler would ever be in this bad of shape. However, with this new much stronger Global Economy our UAW workers can not compete. Some is their own fault and some is our goverment's.

I just want to believe that someday soon...we Americans can once again stand up and yell " The Pride is Back"

If you get a chance ...read "Where have all the Leaders Gone" by Lee Iacocca he puts this all in the proper prespective.

:sigh:

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The news is bad for more GM workers as well as a lot of their suppliers.

We have a Pontiac Vibe in the family, I hate to think what happened to its value with the news yesterday. It's been a great little car - Under the sheetmetal it is a Toyota Matrix. A sign of the times I guess.

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Not trying to start a uproar, but Times are changing and our economy has always been in the same structure for ever. Clint Eastwood put it best to rephrase a Military Term from the Marine Corps Days. You must "" IMPROVISE,, ADAPT AND OVERCOME""""" . That is what we need to do. Now I dont say that meaning we need to do away with all these companies, but we must do what needs to be done to survive and stay strong.

G-OUT

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The news is bad for more GM workers as well as a lot of their suppliers.
We have a Pontiac Vibe in the family, I hate to think what happened to its value with the news yesterday. It's been a great little car - Under the sheetmetal it is a Toyota Matrix. A sign of the times I guess.

Rebadging is the problem.
Sticking the Pontiac arrow on a Chevrolet or a Toyota(Matrix/Vibe) or an Australian Holden(G8) is not enough to make a true Pontiac vehicle. Sad, but Pontiac has been gone for years. The Vibe and the G8 are Pontiac's best sellers.

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Rebadging is the problem.
Sticking the Pontiac arrow on a Chevrolet or a Toyota(Matrix/Vibe) or an Australian Holden(G8) is not enough to make a true Pontiac vehicle. Sad, but Pontiac has been gone for years. The Vibe and the G8 are Pontiac's best sellers.


:beer3::beer3:

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Rebadging is the problem.
Sticking the Pontiac arrow on a Chevrolet or a Toyota(Matrix/Vibe) or an Australian Holden(G8) is not enough to make a true Pontiac vehicle. Sad, but Pontiac has been gone for years. The Vibe and the G8 are Pontiac's best sellers.

I agree.

A good portion of Saturn's cars are now derived from Opel (GM Germany) and that isn't helping them these days either.

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I understand completely…back in 1984 our company (Chrysler) quality was so bad (People actually found beer cans in the doors and wrong colored seats etc) we simply could not compete. I thought over the years that quality / pride came back. In some ways it did. In many ways it did not. The company has been sold twice (that was not a merger) over the years and the morale suffered terribly with each take over. We finally got our original name plate back just to see the bottom fall out from underneath us.

The UAW has been a great support system for the autoworkers yet, I think that a small percentage of its members have ruined a great concept that many outstanding workers (past and present) have work so hard to achieve and maintain. Working there for 31 years I saw first hand how hard the majority of workers had worked so diligently to make Chrysler stand out and become one of the premier car companies in the world.

I still have not given up on GM, Ford and Chrysler. I am starting to think that a company is like a human in the sense that sometimes we have to hit bottom (most of us have experienced that) to be able to dust ourselves off and come out of this with our head up high and once again be the Big 3.

I have witnessed the state of Michigan with its beautiful Great Lakes and wonderful hard working people devastated with this economy. Make no mistake we will be back …thanks for letting me vent.
God Bless America.
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to a low....just wait. UAW becomes largest share holder in the newly capitalized Chrysler? UAW becomes 40% shareholder in GM?
How appropriate is it for one of...if not THE major organizations responsible for the demise of an industry now major share holders???
Let's watch this laughable equation develop....do ya think there might be a conflict of interest in there some where???

Must be nice to have Obama and his team on your side....getting majority share holder status with the least contribution of capital.

So who is it that bargains for what in the new ownership roles....:a20:

BTK

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UAW becomes largest share holder in the newly capitalized Chrysler? UAW becomes 40% shareholder in GM?
How appropriate is it for one of...if not THE major organizations responsible for the demise of an industry now major share holders???
BTK

Why are you and Rush so afraid of the workers owning a share of the companies where they work?
Check out United Airlines and South West airlines.
Of course there is no guarantee that an employee owned company will perform any better than any other. But it is guaranteed that they can't do any worse than the executives who used to run it! There's nowhere to go but up.

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Well said KayakerNC,
I totally agree. At least some of its CEO will no longer get paid millions of dollars for doing nothing more than looking nice in a suit.

Lets face it the UAW has been running Chrysler for years. :beer3:

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Worst List.:click:
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/04/28/top-10-worst-pontiacs-of-all-time/

Best List:click:
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/04/27/top-ten-greatest-pontiacs-of-all-time/