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Warren Kiefer
11-02-2016, 04:37 PM
How a person can close their eyes and ears to the utterings of Donald trump is beyond belief. He degrades women, he created a sham university, only a fool will believe he is going to build a wall along our southern border, he has a very unhealthy relationship with Russia, he is now in court for his fake university, a first court appearance will be in December for the charge of raping a minor female, he has filed bankruptcy five times, had numerous affairs while still married (adultery), has zero foreign policy experience, discriminated against minorities wanting to renting property from the Trump Properties and refuses to disclose his taxes...... If you voted for Trump or plan to vote for trump, YOU HAD TO TOTALLY BLOCK OUT ANY COMMON SENSE YOU MIGHT HAVE HAD.

Ron_Ski
11-02-2016, 05:17 PM
How a person can close their eyes and ears to the utterings of Donald trump is beyond belief. He degrades women, he created a sham university, only a fool will believe he is going to build a wall along our southern border, he has a very unhealthy relationship with Russia, he is now in court for his fake university, a first court appearance will be in December for the charge of raping a minor female, he has filed bankruptcy five times, had numerous affairs while still married (adultery), has zero foreign policy experience, discriminated against minorities wanting to renting property from the Trump Properties and refuses to disclose his taxes...... If you voted for Trump or plan to vote for trump, YOU HAD TO TOTALLY BLOCK OUT ANY COMMON SENSE YOU MIGHT HAVE HAD.

And yet it appears you are perfectly happy with Bill Clinton sodomizing a young intern with his cigar in the oval office, or groping Kathleen Willey,
or rapping Juanita Broaddrick while Hillery covers for him.

If it weren't for double standards, you'd have no standards at all.

graciegirl
11-02-2016, 05:22 PM
How a person can close their eyes and ears to the utterings of Donald trump is beyond belief. He degrades women, he created a sham university, only a fool will believe he is going to build a wall along our southern border, he has a very unhealthy relationship with Russia, he is now in court for his fake university, a first court appearance will be in December for the charge of raping a minor female, he has filed bankruptcy five times, had numerous affairs while still married (adultery), has zero foreign policy experience, discriminated against minorities wanting to renting property from the Trump Properties and refuses to disclose his taxes...... If you voted for Trump or plan to vote for trump, YOU HAD TO TOTALLY BLOCK OUT ANY COMMON SENSE YOU MIGHT HAVE HAD.

Warren. No one is saying he is great, he just is better than Hillary for many of us.

ColdNoMore
11-02-2016, 05:31 PM
Warren. No one is saying he is great, he just is better than Hillary for many of us.

That is the same as saying that you loathe a person (Hillary in this case), more than you love this great nation.

Simply unbelievable.

larbud
11-02-2016, 05:39 PM
That is the same as saying that you loathe a person (Hillary in this case), more than you love this great nation.

Simply unbelievable.

Yes you are...

Rockyrd
11-02-2016, 05:54 PM
That is the same as saying that you loathe a person (Hillary in this case), more than you love this great nation.

Simply unbelievable.

I agree.

I simply hope for two things, should Trump get elected.

1. That whatever he does works for our country, because that is supposed to be what it is all about.

2. That those posters on here who have invested so much hate, remember the warnings given about Trump. The ignorance of what he brings is astounding. The investment in hate for Clinton instead of insuring both told us what they see as our future, in my opinion has a distinct and very solid chance to send our country into an abyss of economic disaster and terrorism beyond your worst nightmare. Coupled with a DIVIDER. in the WH who has no problem whatsoever in announcing and actually supporting the conspiracy theory of Steve Bannon.

If you heard Bannon's interview today, you heard him tell you flat out this is the "top of the first inning". This from the master behind Trump who advocates conspiracies and violence. It is THIS we should fear.

jimbo2012
11-02-2016, 05:57 PM
One point to consider if Hilly wins she will be tied up in 18+ months of investigations, hearings indictments etc. along with Bill.

The republicans house & senate will go after her allegations (650,000 emails) it a treasure trove, they have already leaked the fact some of those are hers.

the FBI had her nailed in July, you know Comey has a boom-shell, he met with Lynch she isn't stopping him & she could, Obama isn't firing him.
He is a very savvy prosecutor at 55 years old isn't going to trash his career on nothing.

How will she do her job effectively, how will the country look to the rest of the world.

What if impeached which is highly likely, Bill was enough remember how the world looked at us then?

How has the last 8 years gone with 20T in debt. She's at 30 years real accomplishments a few.

We need to try a change, Trump is not politically correct and made stupid mistakes he did regret them, and apologized for the first time in his life, why.

He will make us safer from terrorism and criminals/drugs from Mexico

He really wants fix the broken system, far from perfect but far better IMO

it's up each persons analysis of the facts but the main stream media is all bias so you need to do your own homework.:024:

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Rockyrd
11-02-2016, 06:02 PM
One point to consider if Hilly wins she will be tied up in 18+ months of investigations, hearings indictments etc. along with Bill.

The republicans house & senate will go after her allegations (650,000 emails) it a treasure trove, they have already leaked the fact some of those are hers.

the FBI had her nailed in July, you know Comey has a boom-shell, he met with Lynch she isn't stopping him & she could, Obama isn't firing him.
He is a very savvy prosecutor at 55 years old isn't going to through his career away on nothing.

How will she do her job effectively, how will the country look to the rest of the world. What if impeached

How has the last 8 years gone with 20T in debt. She's at 30 years real accomplishments a few.

We need to try a change, Trump is not politically correct and made stupid mistakes he did regret them, and apologized for the first time in his life, why.

He really wants fix the broken system, far from perfect but far better IMO

it's up each persons analysis of the facts but the main stream media is all bias so you need to do your own homework.:024:

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I have done quite a bit of homework, and tell you, with NO fear of any factual contradiction that Trump's future legal problems dwarf...totally dwarf what might occur with Clinton.

You know all about the Clinton's. You know NOTHING about Trump.

jimbo2012
11-02-2016, 06:08 PM
I have done quite a bit of homework, and tell you, with NO fear of any factual contradiction that Trump's future legal problems dwarf...totally dwarf what might occur with Clinton.

You know all about the Clinton's. You know NOTHING about Trump.

Just reported on Fox her computer was compromised or hacked 9 times so our national security has been breached.

They went on to say an indictment is likely.

Trumps case -- really the plaintiff dropped out, that case is toast.

Rockyrd
11-02-2016, 06:19 PM
Just reported on Fox her computer was compromised or hacked 9 times so our national security has been breached.

They went on to say an indictment is likely.

Trumps case -- really the plaintiff dropped out, that case is toast.

You will need to supply a link or more to that story. I certainly cannot locate it and it should be big news.

Either you misunderstood or just made it up.

With Trumo, who dropped the case...the gal who civilly is accusing rape....or...the states going after Trump U ?

Just curious because that is not what I refer to in his FUTU.RE legal problems. They will be tied to foreign countries, and not exclusively Russia, various SERIOUS mob ties,. They are the two largest, but CERTAINLY not limited to those two areas.

Even his campaign did not vet him because he would not allow it. True vetting takes a long time and it will happen, then add in his obvious weakness for blackmail.

But whatever....voters are more interested in 'getting Clinton" than our future, and I could care less about party, but should he win, our country becomes extremely vulnerable.

billethkid
11-02-2016, 06:22 PM
I along with many others including many democrats are sick and tired of listening to how some of you think Clinton is an acceptable candidate for president.

You may not like what Trumps says but you should be very cautious about what Clinton has done and continues to do.

She is no more acceptable or qualified to be president than Charles Manson. And we know if Manson was a democrat that would be all that matters!!!

What a pity.

Rockyrd
11-02-2016, 06:35 PM
I along with many others including many democrats are sick and tired of listening to how some of you think Clinton is an acceptable candidate for president.

You may not like what Trumps says but you should be very cautious about what Clinton has done and continues to do.

She is no more acceptable or qualified to be president than Charles Manson. And we know if Manson was a democrat that would be all that matters!!!

What a pity.

All I can say to folks like you is if he is elected...YOU WILL SEE.

On their hand, a poster said the girl he allegedly rapped when 13 years old, she did not drop her case. She has been only known as Jane Doe, and was to go,public today just in advance of the hearing on those charges.

She cancelled the press conference from FEAR.

""Jane Doe has received numerous threats today, as have all the Trump accusers that I have represented,” said the woman’s attorney, Lisa Bloom.

“She is living in fear. She has decided that she is too afraid to show her face. She has been here all day, ready to do it, but unfortunately, she's in terrible fear. So we're going to have to reschedule. I apologize to all of you who came."

Woman accusing Trump of child rape remains silent after threats - NY Daily News (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/calif-woman-accusing-trump-child-rape-break-silence-article-1.2855631)

I assure you, when some facts come out on this and other things (think the coke sex parties) he will make Bill Clinton a choir boy.

My problem is you do not, cannot SUPPORT Trump. You simply hate Clinton.

graciegirl
11-02-2016, 06:40 PM
All I can say to folks like you is if he is elected...YOU WILL SEE.

On their hand, a poster said the girl he allegedly rapped when 13 years old, she did not drop her case. She has been only known as Jane Doe, and was to go,public today just in advance of the hearing on those charges.

She cancelled the press conference from FEAR.

""Jane Doe has received numerous threats today, as have all the Trump accusers that I have represented,” said the woman’s attorney, Lisa Bloom.

“She is living in fear. She has decided that she is too afraid to show her face. She has been here all day, ready to do it, but unfortunately, she's in terrible fear. So we're going to have to reschedule. I apologize to all of you who came."

Woman accusing Trump of child rape remains silent after threats - NY Daily News (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/calif-woman-accusing-trump-child-rape-break-silence-article-1.2855631)

I assure you, when some facts come out on this and other things (think the coke sex parties) he will make Bill Clinton a choir boy.

My problem is you do not, cannot SUPPORT Trump. You simply hate Clinton.


Well Rockyard. It isn't much of a choice for sure.
I stand with the traditional folks, members of the GOP, usually successful, older and have a lot of experience in winning in life in their backpack.

virgind
11-02-2016, 06:46 PM
If hillary is indicted obama will pardon her. Then you will know the democrats true face. Daddy always told me never vote for a democrat. I have learned he really did know what he was talking about.

billethkid
11-02-2016, 06:47 PM
All I can say to folks like you is if he is elected...YOU WILL SEE.

On their hand, a poster said the girl he allegedly rapped when 13 years old, she did not drop her case. She has been only known as Jane Doe, and was to go,public today just in advance of the hearing on those charges.

She cancelled the press conference from FEAR.

""Jane Doe has received numerous threats today, as have all the Trump accusers that I have represented,” said the woman’s attorney, Lisa Bloom.

“She is living in fear. She has decided that she is too afraid to show her face. She has been here all day, ready to do it, but unfortunately, she's in terrible fear. So we're going to have to reschedule. I apologize to all of you who came."

Woman accusing Trump of child rape remains silent after threats - NY Daily News (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/calif-woman-accusing-trump-child-rape-break-silence-article-1.2855631)

I assure you, when some facts come out on this and other things (think the coke sex parties) he will make Bill Clinton a choir boy.

My problem is you do not, cannot SUPPORT Trump. You simply hate Clinton.

Partisan kool aide in the remaining hours of desparation.

How about an equally critical assessment of Clinton's illegal , law breaking, security violating felonious activity with the same magnifying glass.

Rockyrd
11-02-2016, 06:49 PM
Well Rockyard. It isn't much of a choice for sure.
I stand with the traditional folks, members of the GOP, usually successful, older and have a lot of experience in winning in life in their backpack.

You mean the ones who disowned Trump early on and still have their back turned ?

But the gave up the GOP romSteve Bannon via Trump. He owns it.

A Trump loss or win will assure Democrats rout in 2018 and they will own congress. If he wins the Democrats will control everything for a long long time.

Believe it or not, his candidacy has given the Democratic Party the good guy position, which in the past was all Republican

MDLNB
11-02-2016, 06:53 PM
Bill and Hillary are responsible for the deaths of over 50 people associated with them.

Bill has sex with 13 year old girls

Hillary is a lesbian.

Since we are going to put out there, all the questionable incidents in politicians' lives, we might as well put ALL the unproven speculation.

n8xwb
11-02-2016, 06:53 PM
All that may be true, BUT look at the direction our country is going AND look at who has been part of this awful direction...not TRUMP....

tomwed
11-02-2016, 06:57 PM
When you know the first thing out of someone's mouth is I'm going to sue, you think twice before saying anything, especially if they have deep pockets. Here is an interesting story on Roy Cohn and Trump.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/21/us/politics/donald-trump-roy-cohn.html

I don't understand the world of inherited wealth and power.

Rockyrd
11-02-2016, 06:58 PM
Partisan kool aide in the remaining hours of desparation.

How about an equally critical assessment of Clinton's illegal , law breaking, security violating felonious activity with the same magnifying glass.

Nobody, certainly me has disagreed with any critique of Clinton.

All I have tried to point out is that allowing NOTHING BUT HATE of Clinton to motivate you is not very bright.

1. Her proposals are much better than his. I mean by light years. Her proposals do not reduce the budget, but his take the debt to an unheard of level. Just one example.

2. If Trump is elected, all YOU rail against with the Democrats will simply get larger. He is universally hated within his own party. He ha ZERO chance of unifying the country, thus the Democrats will own congress after 2018 and for a long time.

3. If Trump wins, Steve Bannon will be your king forever. He if the conspiracy theories, etc. I believe justbthat is enough not to support Trump.

Lastly, those of you who think that being opposed tomTrump means you support Clinton are not paying attention. Read a stat today, something like 28% of mail in ballots in Florida alone FROM REPUBLICANS were not voting Trump.

It is your country, and the future of your kids and grab
No kids, and NO..NO...NO do I support Clinton, but as hard as it might be for you to accept, Clinton is the best choice given the alternative.

Rockyrd
11-02-2016, 07:01 PM
All that may be true, BUT look at the direction our country is going AND look at who has been part of this awful direction...not TRUMP....

You are correct. I suggest you look at congress and the refusal of the so called Tea Party to even consider compromise...that is why Boehner packed it in...and you get your answer.

This country always ha been based on compromise. Already "our congress" says if Clinton wins we will bring government to a halt. That blame is easily placed.

Rockyrd
11-02-2016, 07:03 PM
Bill and Hillary are responsible for the deaths of over 50 people associated with them.

Bill has sex with 13 year old girls

Hillary is a lesbian.

Since we are going to put out there, all the questionable incidents in politicians' lives, we might as well put ALL the unproven speculation.

You might want to look up the word "alleged" and learn its definition.

ColdNoMore
11-02-2016, 07:03 PM
Why are so many Republicans not questioning why Russia is so interested in getting Trump elected?

Surely they don't think that the e-mail hacks only being about Hillary and the DNC, is by chance do they?

Can someone hate Hillary so much, that they have no problem with Putin (who IS Russia) trying to give the election to Trump?

I can't even fathom the depth of that kind of hatred.

Paper1
11-02-2016, 07:06 PM
Hold onto the Senate. Mitch Daniels 2020. If the Republican majority House would stop spending more money than they take in that would be a great help. Politics will not change with Trump, only a real balanced budget amendment will change politics. There is no downside for pols and voters to continuing as we are now. IMO

jimbo2012
11-02-2016, 07:16 PM
You will need to supply a link or more to that story. I certainly cannot locate it and it should be big news.

Either you misunderstood or just made it up.

Please never doubt the veracity of what I post.

It was reported live on Fox a short while age and repeated on Brit Hume

see Bret Baier (@BretBaier) | Twitter (https://twitter.com/BretBaier)

"I said sources described an "avalanche of evidence" in case & barring obstruction they'd likely continue 2 push to try for an indictment""

YOu will not see it on the other cables they secret 95%

the gal who civilly is accusing rape....or...the states going after Trump U ?

Trump U no plaintiff, the other case that girl was thrown out of court several times, she keeps finding lawyers to bring her case. at best his word against hers if it gets that far.
No one is taking about in the news


They will be tied to foreign countries, and not exclusively Russia, various SERIOUS mob ties,. They are the two largest, but CERTAINLY not limited to those two areas.

No one is talking about mob ties, Russia issue was dropped by FBI yesterday.

Where the hell do get your news?

try reading few here grasshopper There's more than the Clinton News Network

Newt Gingrich (@newtgingrich) | Twitter (https://twitter.com/newtgingrich)
Trey Gowdy (@TGowdySC) | Twitter (https://twitter.com/TGowdySC)
Jason Chaffetz (@jasoninthehouse) | Twitter (https://twitter.com/jasoninthehouse)
Kellyanne Conway (@KellyannePolls) | Twitter (https://twitter.com/KellyannePolls)
https://twitter.com/IngrahamAngle
https://twitter.com/mitchellvii







he will make Bill Clinton a choir boy.

No one can



If hillary is indicted obama will pardon her. Then you will know the democrats true face.

He can't pardon her till after trial, do you think that will happen before Jan 20?

He also will not damage his legacy with an Abuse of Power

jimbo2012
11-02-2016, 07:18 PM
Why are so many Republicans not questioning why Russia is so interested in getting Trump elected?

Surely they don't think that the e-mail hacks only being about Hillary and the DNC, is by chance do they?

Can someone hate Hillary so much, that they have no problem with Putin (who IS Russia) trying to give the election to Trump?

I can't even fathom the depth of that kind of hatred.

The reason you can't is you have your head in the sand,
FBI just found no connection to Russia, yesterday, case closed

the hacks were Wikileaks not Russia, move on

Rockyrd
11-02-2016, 07:22 PM
Please never doubt the veracity of what I post.

It was reported live on Fox a short while age and repeated on Brit Hume

see Bret Baier (@BretBaier) | Twitter (https://twitter.com/BretBaier)

"I said sources described an "avalanche of evidence" in case & barring obstruction they'd likely continue 2 push to try for an indictment""

YOu will not see it on the other cables they secret 95%



Trump U, the other case that girl was thrown out of court several times, she keeps finding lawyers to bring her case. at best his word against hers if it gets that far.



No one is talking about mob ties, Russia issue was dropped by FBI yesterday.

Where the hell do get your news?

try reading few here grasshopper There's more than the Clinton News Network

Newt Gingrich (@newtgingrich) | Twitter (https://twitter.com/newtgingrich)
Trey Gowdy (@TGowdySC) | Twitter (https://twitter.com/TGowdySC)
Jason Chaffetz (@jasoninthehouse) | Twitter (https://twitter.com/jasoninthehouse)
Kellyanne Conway (@KellyannePolls) | Twitter (https://twitter.com/KellyannePolls)
https://twitter.com/IngrahamAngle
https://twitter.com/mitchellvii







No one can





He can't pardon her till after trial, do you think that will happen before Jan 20?

He also will not damage his legacy with an Abuse of Power

Hard to comment on all of this.

I suggest you find the difference between an opinion pices and news. That would help a lot.

I also suggest you widen you reading. NO, the media does not lie. You just nedvto read. Example, the gal suing had her case thrown out the first time because she had no lawyer, and it was thrown out on a LEGAL technicality, not a factual difference. She now has lawyers.

ColdNoMore
11-02-2016, 07:37 PM
The reason you can't is you have your head in the sand,
FBI just found no connection to Russia, yesterday, case closed
Wrong.

They stated that they haven't found any "clear link" to Russia (meaning 'yet'). That certainly doesn't mean there isn't any.

The USA's intelligent community has told Trump and Pence that they are certain Russia is behind the leaks, but only Trump (not even Pence) is refusing to believe it.

Why do you think that is?

Trump refusal to accept government assessments on Russian hacks dismays former officials - The Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-refusal-to-accept-government-assessments-on-russian-hacks-dismays-former-officials/2016/10/14/6d1c7f60-8fc4-11e6-9c52-0b10449e33c4_story.html)
Former senior U.S. national security officials are dismayed at Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump’s repeated refusal to accept the judgment of intelligence professionals that Russia stole files from the Democratic National Committee computers in an effort to influence the U.S. election.

The former officials, who have served presidents in both parties, say they were bewildered when Trump cast doubt on Russia’s role after receiving a classified briefing on the subject and again after an unusually blunt statement from U.S. agencies saying they were “confident” that Moscow had orchestrated the attacks.


Once again, I ask why Wikileaks is only obsessing with Hillary and the DNC?

Here is an interesting article that would raise huge questions from any reasonable person.

Julian Assange Is A Russian Front-Man, Not A Freedom Fighter (http://thefederalist.com/2016/09/09/julian-assange-is-a-russian-front-man-not-a-freedom-fighter/)


For more sensible people, however, the evidence is damning. First and foremost, WikiLeaks—citizens of the world that they are—never seem able to leak anything damaging to the interests of the Russians. They likewise avoid antagonizing the Chinese or any other autocratic regime that might take umbrage or engage in retaliation.

Almost every leak of any consequence is aimed squarely at the United States and its allies, and never as assistance to noble activists anywhere else.

Likewise, the involvement of WikiLeaks in the Edward Snowden affair, catalogued ably by authors like John Schindler, Edward Lucas, and others, was so obviously facilitated by the Russians that it should be used as a case study in Espionage School 101. Recall that when Snowden showed up in Russia—a destination Assange recommended—WikiLeaks dispatched a fixer from their staff named Sarah Harrison to meet Snowden in Hong Kong and stand by his side in Moscow. From the time Snowden arrived in Russia, Harrison stuck to him like glue.


the hacks were Wikileaks not Russia, move on

Hey, if you hate Hillary more than you love this country and aren't concerned about how much effort is being made by Putin/Russia in trying to affect this election...you might as well just admit it.

And I guarantee that if Trump's e-mails were also being released, you and the rest of the Trump supporters would be calling on taking massive action against Russia.

Simply unbelievable.

jimbo2012
11-02-2016, 07:40 PM
the gal suing had her case thrown out the first time because she had no lawyer, and it was thrown out on a LEGAL technicality, not a factual difference. She now has lawyers.

Really who should read

The accuser initially filed the case on her own behalf in California, but it was tossed for not stating an articulable violation of her civil rights. The case has since been refiled in New York, under the representation of a patent lawyer named Thomas Meagher.

A patent lawyer handling the case hasn’t inspired the most confidence.

the whole case has zero media interest due to accusers credibility along with an ambulance chaser layer try to get his name in the news.

they don't want to go down that rabbit hole.

this issue isn't worth discussing

Rockyrd
11-02-2016, 07:49 PM
Really who should read

The accuser initially filed the case on her own behalf in California, but it was tossed for not stating an articulable violation of her civil rights. The case has since been refiled in New York, under the representation of a patent lawyer named Thomas Meagher.

A patent lawyer handling the case hasn’t inspired the most confidence.

the whole case has zero media interest due to accusers credibility along with an ambulance chaser layer try to get his name in the news.

they don't want to go down that rabbit hole.

this issue isn't worth discussing

Maybe...we will see as she has a lawyer and hearing up coming.

Did you ever think you would be defending a possible President on rape charges of a child ? Or for conning folks ?

One case of the women gets to court and he must testify, and we shall see I suppose.

By the way, just to be sure you understand, if Clinton violated the law, she should be indicted. Please....those against Trump do not feel she gets a pass.

jimbo2012
11-02-2016, 07:56 PM
hey Buddy would it shock you if you knew I was a registered Dem!!!

before I learned about bengazi, the emails and Server giving our national secrets to 9 hackers.

But the crook with the foundation ..............

ColdNoMore
11-02-2016, 08:05 PM
First you say this...

Please never doubt the veracity of what I post.




Then you use these extremely biased sources. :1rotfl:

Newt Gingrich (@newtgingrich) | Twitter (https://twitter.com/newtgingrich)
Trey Gowdy (@TGowdySC) | Twitter (https://twitter.com/TGowdySC)
Jason Chaffetz (@jasoninthehouse) | Twitter (https://twitter.com/jasoninthehouse)
Kellyanne Conway (@KellyannePolls) | Twitter (https://twitter.com/KellyannePolls)
Laura Ingraham (@IngrahamAngle) | Twitter (https://twitter.com/IngrahamAngle)
https://twitter.com/mitchellvii



Do you really believe people are that ignorant? :ohdear:


I did get quite the guffaw though...so thanks for that. :thumbup:

Allegiance
11-02-2016, 08:10 PM
Hillary is at the center of the worst organized crime family of our time. Period.

A career criminal.

The election is over. Face the music. It's OUR time now.

Rockyrd
11-02-2016, 08:12 PM
hey Buddy would it shock you if you knew I was a registered Dem!!!

before I learned about bengazi, the emails and Server giving our national secrets to 9 hackers.

But the crook with the foundation ..............

Look...first name is not BUDDY...I could care less your party.

All the points you mention are terrible, but allow me as a GOPer who felt very strongly about all of that stuff...

1. The UNited States congress had hearings for TWO YEARS...2 years, and nothing but political stuff. Only thing is that during those hearings, they discovered the server.

2. The server was stupid. Everyone, including Clinton agrees on that. The United States FBI and JUstice department spent a lot of time on this, and decide no charges. Hairy decision for sure but it's done.

Your "allegations " of national secrets to havkers has yet to ever be determined by anybody.

I hope you do know that the wiki leaks have nothing to do with Clinton server. The DNC emails were hacked, and someday it will be the GOP, but these leaks, supposedly hacked by Russia have NOTHING to do with Clinton server.

3. On the foundation, lots of questions, but wonder why you do not question the Trump Foundation, which is absolutely the biggest scam you can imagine.

Not a defense of being dumb on Clinton Foundation, but again...thoutough investigation an pd nithing,

Let me repeat what I have been saying.

I do not support Clinton.

Clinton has been investigated over and over. If you people want to keep investigating more...I ask why..FOR what purpose.

On the other hand, we have never had such a secretive unknown run for president as Trump, and what we DO know is disgusting. He has never ever had that microscope, but if elected, wow.

jimbo2012
11-02-2016, 08:16 PM
So you are not voting why are you here?

Rockyrd
11-02-2016, 08:17 PM
Hillary is at the center of the worst organized crime family of our time. Period.

A career criminal.

The election is over. Face the music. It's OUR time now.

You make allegations about issues that have been investigated over and over. Don't understand, and yet you simply pass off accusations and never call for facts on Trump.

Biggest question....who do you refer to when you say OUR TIME. That attitude is what Trump has fostered and will continue to do and that is scary.

I hope you think about things like that, our country, our constitution, our laws, our congress....will they be part of OUR TIME

Rockyrd
11-02-2016, 08:21 PM
So you are not voting why are you here?

I already voted.

I am here because I enjoy political discussion, enjoy very much reading and studying history.

This election to me is a very dark time in our country and no matter who wins, WE lose in my opinion.

Who did I vote for.....all the GOP. (Not that big of a ballot actually) and wrote in at the last minute...Evan McCollum for President.

jimbo2012
11-02-2016, 08:23 PM
:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Don Baldwin
11-03-2016, 05:29 AM
I already voted.

I am here because I enjoy political discussion, enjoy very much reading and studying history.

This election to me is a very dark time in our country and no matter who wins, WE lose in my opinion.

Who did I vote for.....all the GOP. (Not that big of a ballot actually) and wrote in at the last minute...Evan McCollum for President.

Hope you're VERY careful WHERE you "learn" your history...it is after all..."his story". Most "history" is nothing but the winners propaganda.

ONLY if we elect another D or R...the parties, the system is what's corrupt.

ANYONE but the D or R.

Warren Kiefer
11-06-2016, 09:01 PM
Bill and Hillary are responsible for the deaths of over 50 people associated with them.

Bill has sex with 13 year old girls

Hillary is a lesbian.

Since we are going to put out there, all the questionable incidents in politicians' lives, we might as well put ALL the unproven speculation.

I cannot understand some of the comments offered as anti Clinton information. This comment offers some than borders on insanity !!

MDLNB
11-06-2016, 09:32 PM
Why are so many Republicans not questioning why Russia is so interested in getting Trump elected?

Surely they don't think that the e-mail hacks only being about Hillary and the DNC, is by chance do they?

Can someone hate Hillary so much, that they have no problem with Putin (who IS Russia) trying to give the election to Trump?

I can't even fathom the depth of that kind of hatred.

Could it be because there is no evidence to support the libtard accusations? Other than political rhetoric, do you get all your information from libtard talking points supplied to you by your handlers?

rubicon
11-07-2016, 05:17 AM
Bill and Hillary are responsible for the deaths of over 50 people associated with them.

Bill has sex with 13 year old girls

Hillary is a lesbian.

Since we are going to put out there, all the questionable incidents in politicians' lives, we might as well put ALL the unproven speculation.

But haven't you heard character doesn't matter

Warren Kiefer
11-07-2016, 11:16 AM
One point to consider if Hilly wins she will be tied up in 18+ months of investigations, hearings indictments etc. along with Bill.

The republicans house & senate will go after her allegations (650,000 emails) it a treasure trove, they have already leaked the fact some of those are hers.

the FBI had her nailed in July, you know Comey has a boom-shell, he met with Lynch she isn't stopping him & she could, Obama isn't firing him.
He is a very savvy prosecutor at 55 years old isn't going to trash his career on nothing.

How will she do her job effectively, how will the country look to the rest of the world.

What if impeached which is highly likely, Bill was enough remember how the world looked at us then?

How has the last 8 years gone with 20T in debt. She's at 30 years real accomplishments a few.

We need to try a change, Trump is not politically correct and made stupid mistakes he did regret them, and apologized for the first time in his life, why.

He will make us safer from terrorism and criminals/drugs from Mexico

He really wants fix the broken system, far from perfect but far better IMO

it's up each persons analysis of the facts but the main stream media is all bias so you need to do your own homework.:024:

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First of all, there is little factual in this posting that can actually be proven.. The 650,000 E mails on the Weiner computer cover the entire term the Weiner's had an account. Trump has NEVER, I said NEVER apologized FOR ANYTING.

Warren Kiefer
11-07-2016, 11:19 AM
But haven't you heard character doesn't matter

I have one word to describe this post, INSANE !!

tomwed
11-07-2016, 11:37 AM
First of all, there is little factual in this posting that can actually be proven.. The 650,000 E mails on the Weiner computer cover the entire term the Weiner's had an account. Trump has NEVER, I said NEVER apologized FOR ANYTING.
This is the one and only time.
v=v2Vvny_HknwSo far.

MDLNB
11-07-2016, 04:49 PM
First of all, there is little factual in this posting that can actually be proven.. The 650,000 E mails on the Weiner computer cover the entire term the Weiner's had an account. Trump has NEVER, I said NEVER apologized FOR ANYTING.

Why should he apologize? He hasn't done anything to apologize for. What he said was in private. He did not say it to anyone that was alarmed or offended. The incident was recorded illegally and released to people that should not have been privy to it. He had nothing to apologize for. I have heard worst from my neighbors and I have not heard them apologize.

Hillary hasn't apologized for her breach of national security. She apologized for using her server, period. Like that is supposed to make it alright. It doesn't, but she did admit to it and that was a crime. Too bad the law does not pertain to her.

Warren Kiefer
11-07-2016, 09:49 PM
Why should he apologize? He hasn't done anything to apologize for. What he said was in private. He did not say it to anyone that was alarmed or offended. The incident was recorded illegally and released to people that should not have been privy to it. He had nothing to apologize for. I have heard worst from my neighbors and I have not heard them apologize.

Hillary hasn't apologized for her breach of national security. She apologized for using her server, period. Like that is supposed to make it alright. It doesn't, but she did admit to it and that was a crime. Too bad the law does not pertain to her.

You are kidding, right ?? How about the time he mocked a handicapped reporter ?? How about the time he described how to assault a woman by grabbing her p****. Want some more ???? There are a lot. Trump said himself " I have never apologized for anything "/....

jimbo2012
11-08-2016, 06:34 AM
Not true, he apologized at one of his rallies saying he regretted those statements.

As far as hot mike on the bus he apologized at the debate clear as a bell.

Any man here who says they never heard or spoke like that is lying. (it was a private conversation)
Go to Wikileaks to see what she says in private

Hilly talks worse and invites entertainers with far worse language to perform at her rallies :sing:

MDLNB
11-08-2016, 06:40 AM
Not true, he apologized at one of his rallies saying he regretted those statements.

As far as hot mike on the bus he apologized at the debate clear as a bell.

Any man here who says they never heard or spoke like that is lying. (it was a private conversation)
Go to Wikileaks to see what she says in private

Hilly talks worse and invites entertainers with far worse language to perform at her rallies :sing:

Exactly! :agree:

tomwed
11-08-2016, 06:51 AM
While I don't doubt there are men, very wealthy men, movie stars and rock stars that probably do attack women that way because the women are vulnerable or star struck, I don't believe I have ever heard anyone brag about it. It wasn't the "dirty" words that make the action so objectionable. Who hasn't used those words?

And of all people to say the same thing as I did read this: http://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/19/howard-stern-ive-never-heard-locker-room-talk-like-trumps.html

Howard Stern: I've Never Heard 'Locker Room Talk' Like Trump's

jimbo2012
11-08-2016, 06:59 AM
I know Howard Stern, he invented that language.

He never attacked women, they alleged that BS from years ago his word against theirs.
Like the rape allegations, no proof withdrawn on her own

Now wana talk about Bill if she wins, I understand he will interview all interns

How about the Lolita express, Hilly made 11 trips-----did you know that

MDLNB
11-08-2016, 07:07 AM
I know Howard Stern, he invented that language.

He never attacked women, they alleged that BS from years ago his word against theirs.
Like the rape allegations, no proof withdrawn on her own

Now wana talk about Bill if she wins, I understand he will interview all interns

How about the Lolita express, Hilly made 11 trips-----did you know that

I heard she only made 6 trips, but who's counting? The left does not care about that. They only hold Republican to moral and ethical standards, not their own criminals. THey say that Hitlery's vulgar language is worst than a viper snake bite.

jimbo2012
11-08-2016, 07:10 AM
Bill made 26 trips

tomwed
11-08-2016, 07:17 AM
I know Howard Stern, he invented that language.

He never attacked women, they alleged that BS from years ago his word against theirs.
Like the rape allegations, no proof withdrawn on her own

Now wana talk about Bill if she wins, I understand he will interview all interns

How about the Lolita express, Hilly made 11 trips-----did you know that
It's not the language that people find repulsive. It's the bragging. He doesn't say imagine if you could do this, that or the other.

jimbo2012
11-08-2016, 07:27 AM
He says what everyone is thinking, all the others a politicians and must be PC.

Stop dissecting, look at the big picture

If nothing else you must give him credit for opening the eyes of the country to the corruption in our government.

ColdNoMore
11-08-2016, 07:35 AM
He says what everyone is thinking, all the others a politicians and must be PC.


That is beyond ludicrous. :oops:

Maybe in your little world guys talk about sexually assaulting women, but we real men...would never even think of it. :ohdear:

tomwed
11-08-2016, 07:43 AM
That is beyond ludicrous. :oops:

Maybe in your little world guys talk about sexually assaulting women, but we real men...would never even think of it. :ohdear:I don't get it either. It's assault.

jimbo2012
11-08-2016, 07:57 AM
How is talking assault?

That is beyond ludicrous. :oops:

Maybe in your little world guys talk about sexually assaulting women, but we real men...would never even think of it. :ohdear:

Not only do you think it you have said it, who's kidding who here.

Oh I know your wife reading your posts so you want to look like goody two shoes, give me a break

tomwed
11-08-2016, 08:04 AM
How is talking assault?



Not only do you think it you have said it, who's kidding who here.

Oh I know your wife reading your posts so you want to look like goody two shoes, give me a breakI'll give you a break.

Don Baldwin
11-08-2016, 08:33 AM
He says what everyone is thinking, all the others a politicians and must be PC.

Stop dissecting, look at the big picture

If nothing else you must give him credit for opening the eyes of the country to the corruption in our government.

That is beyond ludicrous. :oops:

Maybe in your little world guys talk about sexually assaulting women, but we real men...would never even think of it. :ohdear:

I don't get it either. It's assault.

Saying "I'd do her right here and now", "rating" women, saying "I'd like to grab that pussy" is assault? Well then...ALL men...REAL men...are guilty as charged. Because THAT is what we do...we think about sex with women.

EVERY women we meet we make a decision...would I do her? The answer sets the WHOLE tone of the encounter. Why do you think companies "advertise" with pretty women? Have pretty hostesses or representatives? A pretty woman puts a man in a compliant state. He's too busy trying to get her to be wary. He'll make deals hoping to make the ultimate deal with her. A man or an ugly woman does not...they make men more alert to potential manipulation.

MDLNB
11-08-2016, 09:23 AM
That is beyond ludicrous. :oops:

Maybe in your little world guys talk about sexually assaulting women, but we real men...would never even think of it. :ohdear:

You are naive and have never been around men when they talk. It's obvious. Even though I do not talk like that out of habit from my past career, I have heard this type of vulgar language or worst throughout my life and even heard worst from my neighbors here in TV. Anyone that is naive enough to think that his PRIVATE conversation is unique, has to have lived in a very protected world, or is just in denial or lying.

Besides, Hitlery's language is much worst and more public. Get over it.

Don Baldwin
11-08-2016, 10:10 AM
You are naive and have never been around men when they talk. It's obvious. Even though I do not talk like that out of habit from my past career, I have heard this type of vulgar language or worst throughout my life and even heard worst from my neighbors here in TV. Anyone that is naive enough to think that his PRIVATE conversation is unique, has to have lived in a very protected world, or is just in denial or lying.

Besides, Hitlery's language is much worst and more public. Get over it.

Vulgar is relative, depend on what side you happen to be on at the time. To me "vulgar talk" is talking about allowing minorities to destroy my beloved villages. Allowing minorities to lower all the standards. Allowing minorities to steal slots through quotas. Having taxpayers throw away money on their "education".

Women ARE objects for sex...it'll never change...and when the minorities take over...you'll be doing it often with a lot of different partners. Just like they do in the inner city. Move the inner city out to everywhere and you have America's future. Your granddaughters will rue the day you let them take over. Watch BET, Watch Univision, watch rap music videos to see how women will be treated. You'll have ONE purpose...pleasuring men. Go to Somalia, Haiti, Jamaica, ANY African country, Mexico, etc., see how women are treated. You HAD it so good...you had it too good...and you're blowing it.

Yung Dum
11-08-2016, 10:25 AM
And yet it appears you are perfectly happy with Bill Clinton sodomizing a young intern with his cigar in the oval office, or groping Kathleen Willey,
or rapping Juanita Broaddrick while Hillery covers for him.

If it weren't for double standards, you'd have no standards at all.

Earth to Republicans: Bill Clinton is not running for president.

jimbo2012
11-08-2016, 10:28 AM
He kinda is

graciegirl
11-08-2016, 10:28 AM
How a person can close their eyes and ears to the utterings of Donald trump is beyond belief. He degrades women, he created a sham university, only a fool will believe he is going to build a wall along our southern border, he has a very unhealthy relationship with Russia, he is now in court for his fake university, a first court appearance will be in December for the charge of raping a minor female, he has filed bankruptcy five times, had numerous affairs while still married (adultery), has zero foreign policy experience, discriminated against minorities wanting to renting property from the Trump Properties and refuses to disclose his taxes...... If you voted for Trump or plan to vote for trump, YOU HAD TO TOTALLY BLOCK OUT ANY COMMON SENSE YOU MIGHT HAVE HAD.

Could you give equal time to criticism of Hillary Cliinton? Are you living now, in this country????????????????????? That is why people are upset. THERE IS NO CLEAR CHOICE FOR GOOD CHARACTER ON THE BALLOT.

Sandtrap328
11-08-2016, 10:36 AM
Warren. No one is saying he is great, he just is better than Hillary for many of us.

I cannot imagine why you would vote Trump after hearing seeing the things he has said against women and the disabled people.

Sandtrap328
11-08-2016, 10:40 AM
Vulgar is relative, depend on what side you happen to be on at the time. To me "vulgar talk" is talking about allowing minorities to destroy my beloved villages. Allowing minorities to lower all the standards. Allowing minorities to steal slots through quotas. Having taxpayers throw away money on their "education".

Women ARE objects for sex...it'll never change...and when the minorities take over...you'll be doing it often with a lot of different partners. Just like they do in the inner city. Move the inner city out to everywhere and you have America's future. Your granddaughters will rue the day you let them take over. Watch BET, Watch Univision, watch rap music videos to see how women will be treated. You'll have ONE purpose...pleasuring men. Go to Somalia, Haiti, Jamaica, ANY African country, Mexico, etc., see how women are treated. You HAD it so good...you had it too good...and you're blowing it.

Well, we certainly know who the racist on TOTV is with this rancid post.

This is the kind of "person" that Trump wants - but would never associate with in any setting.

ColdNoMore
11-08-2016, 10:43 AM
I cannot imagine why you would vote Trump after hearing seeing the things he has said against women and the disabled people.

IKR? :oops:

It simply points out that it's either an unfathomable hatred for Hillary, or blind loyalty to a party...that drives some people. :ohdear:

jimbo2012
11-08-2016, 10:58 AM
I cannot imagine why you would vote Trump after hearing seeing the things he has said against women and the disabled people.


He apologized.


Now when Hilly said she was sorry for setting up a private server and risking our nation security

That's ok with you then?

She never said she was sorry for her perjury to Congress

what about her maid printing classified info?

Never apologized for 4 dead in Begazi

The way she talks to all around her cursing like drunk sailor
I can go on for pages


Ask your self which of these issues are more important to our Country?

Don Baldwin
11-08-2016, 11:14 AM
Well, we certainly know who the racist on TOTV is with this rancid post.

This is the kind of "person" that Trump wants - but would never associate with in any setting.

Deniers hate the truth...as unpleasant and vulgar as it may be.

Typical women, ONLY wants to hear "good news", "happy news". The world isn't happy lady. If it wasn't for "white man's civilization" you wouldn't be here talking. You'd be out working the fields...trying to survive. That's what the 3rd world is...that's what the 3rd worlders are bringing with them. Look at EVERYWHERE that has diversified...all have become sh!tholes...name ONE that hasn't.

Stop denying facts, reality...diversity destroys.

You think I'm bad? You should hear you WOMEN talk about men! They hate us...they really do. But they can't stay away. They're drawn to wealth and power like a moth to a flame. They become a cat in heat around alpha men. That's why women are crazy, they get puled emotionally in different directions.

Men are easy...If it's female and isn't hideous (relative depending on drunkenness) we'll tap it. No emotion, not feelings. And on to the next willing participant. 10 minutes later if the 1st one is gone. Act like we'll get lucky and you'd be surprised what you can get.

So...which crook is winning?

graciegirl
11-08-2016, 11:33 AM
Deniers hate the truth...as unpleasant and vulgar as it may be.

Typical women, ONLY wants to hear "good news", "happy news". The world isn't happy lady. If it wasn't for "white man's civilization" you wouldn't be here talking. You'd be out working the fields...trying to survive. That's what the 3rd world is...that's what the 3rd worlders are bringing with them. Look at EVERYWHERE that has diversified...all have become sh!tholes...name ONE that hasn't.

Stop denying facts, reality...diversity destroys.

You think I'm bad? You should hear you WOMEN talk about men! They hate us...they really do. But they can't stay away. They're drawn to wealth and power like a moth to a flame. They become a cat in heat around alpha men. That's why women are crazy, they get puled emotionally in different directions.

Men are easy...If it's female and isn't hideous (relative depending on drunkenness) we'll tap it. No emotion, not feelings. And on to the next willing participant. 10 minutes later if the 1st one is gone. Act like we'll get lucky and you'd be surprised what you can get.

So...which crook is winning?


Women don't talk mean about men. Both sexes are vulnerable to being hurt and embarrassed. I enjoy the company of men and women and especially witty, and warm people of either sex. I hear things like this and realize that being surrounded by warm and caring people of both genders isn't everyone's experience.

jimbo2012
11-08-2016, 11:45 AM
So...which crook is winning?

Well if I may restate that point

Is the Crook or the wheeler dealer biz winning?


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwvlAeSUUAApyEg.jpg

Warren Kiefer
11-08-2016, 02:21 PM
hard to comment on all of this.

I suggest you find the difference between an opinion pices and news. That would help a lot.

I also suggest you widen you reading. No, the media does not lie. You just nedvto read. Example, the gal suing had her case thrown out the first time because she had no lawyer, and it was thrown out on a legal technicality, not a factual difference. She now has lawyers.

the first court date for the charge of trump raping a minor female is scheduled for december.

Warren Kiefer
11-08-2016, 02:24 PM
vulgar is relative, depend on what side you happen to be on at the time. To me "vulgar talk" is talking about allowing minorities to destroy my beloved villages. Allowing minorities to lower all the standards. Allowing minorities to steal slots through quotas. Having taxpayers throw away money on their "education".

Women are objects for sex...it'll never change...and when the minorities take over...you'll be doing it often with a lot of different partners. Just like they do in the inner city. Move the inner city out to everywhere and you have america's future. Your granddaughters will rue the day you let them take over. Watch bet, watch univision, watch rap music videos to see how women will be treated. You'll have one purpose...pleasuring men. Go to somalia, haiti, jamaica, any african country, mexico, etc., see how women are treated. You had it so good...you had it too good...and you're blowing it.

it wasn't just vulgar language, trump was describing how he felony assaults women !!!

MDLNB
11-08-2016, 02:24 PM
the first court date for the charge of trump raping a minor female is scheduled for december.

Guess you didn't get your talking points update. The child accuser changed her mind and her testimony. There never was a child raped by Trump. Just another dirty trick used by the left when they felt challenged.

Sandtrap328
11-08-2016, 02:53 PM
Guess you didn't get your talking points update. The child accuser changed her mind and her testimony. There never was a child raped by Trump. Just another dirty trick used by the left when they felt challenged.

Just amazing what a monetary payoff and non-disclosure agreement does, isn't it?

MDLNB
11-08-2016, 07:25 PM
Just amazing what a monetary payoff and non-disclosure agreement does, isn't it?

I guess you would have more experience in that than I. Perhaps you should call Bill Clinton up and ask him, or did you already get your talking points from him?

Warren Kiefer
11-08-2016, 08:39 PM
Guess you didn't get your talking points update. The child accuser changed her mind and her testimony. There never was a child raped by Trump. Just another dirty trick used by the left when they felt challenged.

You need to keep more current, The young lady had personally filed her charge, she then withdrew the charge, hired a lawyer and refiled the charge. Remember, Epstein was supposedly in on the rape, he is now in jail. What if he talks ??

Don Baldwin
11-08-2016, 08:58 PM
While I don't doubt there are men, very wealthy men, movie stars and rock stars that probably do attack women that way because the women are vulnerable or star struck, I don't believe I have ever heard anyone brag about it. It wasn't the "dirty" words that make the action so objectionable. Who hasn't used those words?

And of all people to say the same thing as I did read this: http://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/19/howard-stern-ive-never-heard-locker-room-talk-like-trumps.html

Howard Stern: I've Never Heard 'Locker Room Talk' Like Trump's

Women THROW themselves at these men. They don't have to rape anyone. They can BUY just about any women too...they ALL have a price. Because we're NOT talking about people like you or me, we're talking about women who chase "stars" who are social climbers. Who will do ANYTHING to "hook" a powerful rich man.

Howard Stern? Really? An attention whore...

Women don't talk mean about men. Both sexes are vulnerable to being hurt and embarrassed. I enjoy the company of men and women and especially witty, and warm people of either sex. I hear things like this and realize that being surrounded by warm and caring people of both genders isn't everyone's experience.

Are you going to be here all week? You're funny as h3ll... Women don't talk mean about men. Maybe if you're the Osmond Family. Wait, wasn't there some scandal with them? osmond family scandal - Google Search (https://www.google.com/search?q=osmond+family+scandal&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8)

The world is a giant set of bell curves...you have on one side as few REALLY hateful women...in the middle are most women, they have a "love hate" thing going on, they're jealous and want to be taken seriously, yet realize how much more men can do that they can't...then you have the sweeties who will let a man do anything to them and will love them more for it.

Most women talk sh!t about men, their boyfriend, their husband. You don't? No complaints? No comparisons? No, yours does this and mine doesn't? That's your version of our locker room talk. You talk about people and relationships and we talk about women as sexual things. A woman's agenda is different than a man's. You want one man do do a million things...we want a million women to do one thing.