Golf Carts Passing

[Chatbrat]

Wow i didn't know its legal for golf carts to cross a solid white line to pass a bicycle or another golf cart.

Also while they are in the CAR lane, are they guilty of operating an unlicensed & unregistered and uninsured vehicle on a public road

I know if I went out to pass & crossed a solid white line or a solid double line I would be eligible for a summons

Guess there are special rules for golf carts

[sail33or]

You ae right but if you are going 10-15 miles an hour and holding up a long line of golf carts, do YOU pull over at first side street and let them pass or just keep holding everyone up?

[sail33or]

What are you supposed to do when a bicycle going 2 miles an hour is in the lane???

[Chatbrat]

I was in a car & a golf cart pulled in front of me & I I hit my horn, when I passed him ,he gave me the one finger salute--I told him the solid white line means no passing & I was not polite about it.

[bbbbbb]

I was in a car & a golf cart pulled in front of me & I I hit my horn, when I passed him ,he gave me the one finger salute--I told him the solid white line means no passing & I was not polite about it.

From bbbbbb
Well yes, the infractions on the paths and on the roads are a real problem here, but then there is little or no enforcement. Some real antics take place, some close calls to be sure. One guy threatened to kick out the spokes on my bike. Well you probably know what would have been next at that event. A lot of people here do not like bike riders. Probably, for a lot of them they cannot handle a bike and resent those of of who do. Unfortunately, it may have to come to some major tragic event before it comes to the attention of someone who can see the need for some controls.
Yep, the one finger salute is common and it is a sad event. We need some monitors and some stiff fines for the impulsive group that act as if they are going to a fire on a fire truck. I have talked to persons who are selling their bikes. They cannot put up with the rudeness and the pirates of Happy Hours.

bbbbbb :police: ??????

[ajbrown]

Not arguing but giving my thoughts. Solid white line means crossing is discouraged but not prohibited, unlike a double white line.

Of course it goes without saying the cart needs to safely move into the road and back to the cart lane without affecting traffic.

We know we can cross the line to make a left and I would be surprised we could not leave the lane to pass a slow bike or give room to a pedestrian.

Only the sheriff knows for sure and I have never asked...

[Chatbrat]

I spoke to the sheriff & solid white line means STAY PUT

[Regor]

So by the OP's way thinking, you could never make a left off of Morse Blvd (or any other roadway with a cart lane) onto a side road from the cart lane.

[John_W]

Wow i didn't know its legal for golf carts to cross a solid white line to pass a bicycle or another golf cart.



How would a golf cart driver make a left turn if they didn't cross the white line?

[Bogie Shooter]

From the Florida Drivers Handbook.
Solid White Line
A solid white line marks the right edge of the roadway or separates lanes of traffic moving in the same direction. You may travel in the same direction on both sides of this line, but you should not cross the line unless you must do so to avoid a hazard.

I think making a left turn from the cart lane would qualify as a hazard.

Maybe even a bike going 5 miles an hour............

[Chatbrat]

Rules are rules if you're in a hurry take your car or learn to drive at the pace of the slowest person in front of you

You will live longer

When you tie with car or a truck you Will lose & you will be in the Wrong--no law suit for your heirs

[LitespeedRider]

Another reason for cyclists who are going +/- 10mph of the speed limit in TV to STAY IN THE LANE OF TRAFFIC.

Golf cart lanes are far too dangerous and far too full of drunks and belligerent fools.

[Chatbrat]

Thank you Litespeedracer--golf cart drivers think they can drive & drink, because they don't need a license, a bunch of them have had rude awakenings in jail

Golf carts are not personal convenience toys-they are lethal & in most cases its the occupants who die

Again if your in a hurry take your car &if your children or grand children have to be strapped in a car take the car

[golfing eagles]

From the Florida Drivers Handbook.
Solid White Line
A solid white line marks the right edge of the roadway or separates lanes of traffic moving in the same direction. You may travel in the same direction on both sides of this line, but you should not cross the line unless you must do so to avoid a hazard.

I think making a left turn from the cart land would qualify as a hazard.

Maybe even a bike going 5 miles an hour............

I agree---passing a much slower vehicle is acceptable just as a left turn is. For the "not allowed to cross a single white line crowd", think of this-----a workman's truck is parked in the cart lane, as they often do. You would stay still in the cart lane until the workday is done???? (BTW, it is parked--not a hazard, but an impedance) And how many times have you encountered 3 pedestrians walking abreast in the cart lane? How about the very elderly person riding very unsteady on a bicycle at 3 mph? If you couldn't cross the white line in these cases, traffic would be backed up to Orlando and beyond. Just be careful when you do it

[Chatbrat]

The clown in front of me took 90 secs to pass the cart he was passing--my horn must have made them to a DEPENDS pit stop-therefore the finger salute

[rubicon]

First I won't bother to make an appeal to common sense for the obvious reasons.

Secondly I question not the poster, however when a poster says I called ( expert/authority) and they said..... because you have no way of knowing if the caller asked the right question and/or the called (authority) answered the question asked. I'll stop there but there could be other reasons the settled question was never really settled.

Third again remember that all this confusion concerning MMP's and diamond lanes is a result of poor planning by this community. So the best we can do is remain civil and alert.

Fourth the rules of the road apply both on the MMP's and in the diamond lanes. Hence a solid white line is intended to mean no passing exceptions are in emergency. also according to the rules of the road cars, bicycles and golf carts are considered vehicles and subject to the rules of the road

However the solid white line in this case primarily defines the diamond line and separates it from the driving lane. Clearly automobiles are in violation if they cross over the white line that divides the diamond lane from their traffic lane because they entered a lane designated for golf carts not autos

Fifth a diamond lane always result in a merging at all gates for the express purpose of merging cars and carts. Hence the question is what occurs when merging and/or passing becomes a question prior to reaching a gate. In my view if a cart, runner, bicyclist is holding up diamond lane traffic it is reasonable to assume that a golf cart would by proceeding with caution make a safe passing movement. Notice the operative word "safe". Its not passing that is the violation but unsafe passing
To suggest that a golf cat , bicylist, pedestrian/runner can never leave the diamond lane means that if any of the foregoing stopped because of a breakdown, etc then all traffic in that lane is required to stop and waiting until such obstruction is removed or on its way again

[LitespeedRider]

The clown in front of me took 90 secs to pass the cart he was passing--my horn must have made them to a DEPENDS pit stop-therefore the finger salute

The other day in Publix I had a woman explain to me that she had to move to TV because she is legally blind and lost her drivers license...but here, she can drive a cart and just pulls over for a few minutes when things get too blurry....comforting....

[golfing eagles]

The other day in Publix I had a woman explain to me that she had to move to TV because she is legally blind and lost her drivers license...but here, she can drive a cart and just pulls over for a few minutes when things get too blurry....comforting....

Wonderful---I can't wait to encounter HER:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Chatbrat]

if a person can't drive because of an infirmity & their Dr. notifys the DMV they can & will be charged as an unlicensed driver, even though a license is not require for a golf cart==if your drivers license is revoked or suspended you can not legally operate a golf cart

[bbbbbb]

[QUOTE=LitespeedRider;1319167]The other day in Publix I had a woman explain to me that she had to move to TV because she is legally blind and lost her drivers license...but here, she can drive a cart and just pulls over for a few minutes when things get too blurry....comforting...

bbbbbb Reply

It is indeed sad that we have this opportunity to be safe, to obey rules to enjoy retired life, and to respect others, but we also have this brutal approach of "I do not like bikes on the MMPs, I do not like carts or bikes that are not going at top speed." Gear heads are us.
There is some surreal carelessness here, I have seen it and we have seriously thought of selling our bicycles. No matter what, we frequently get into tough situations while biking when we are seriously trying to avoid trouble. It reminds me of an article I read of why so many people in Retirement or Homeowner environments have problems. It was explained like this: We have some very nice folks and we have two kinds of not so nice. There are those (1) who never did much in life and now want to have a last chance to boss others. There are those who (2) were in supervisory positions of one kind or another and just cannot give it up. Makes sense to me.
So, try to drive nice, consider others, be careful and go the extra mile to avoid and accident. There are no accidents, none, there are however, violations of some law or common sense, it happens a lot here.

bbbbbb :thumbup:

[Miles42]

THose who know little about the law or have little regard for it will always find an excuse to ignore it.

[Bogie Shooter]

The clown in front of me took 90 secs to pass the cart he was passing--my horn must have made them to a DEPENDS pit stop-therefore the finger salute

Were you in a hurry??

[Bogie Shooter]

The other day in Publix I had a woman explain to me that she had to move to TV because she is legally blind and lost her drivers license...but here, she can drive a cart and just pulls over for a few minutes when things get too blurry....comforting....

At the least, she know her limitations. Some of these idiots don't...............

[Chatbrat]

Its not that I'm in a hurry , its the flagrant violation of the law by the person in front of me that got to me

I'm way more patient with someone driving 5 mph under the speed limit

[ajbrown]

The clown in front of me took 90 secs to pass the cart he was passing--my horn must have made them to a DEPENDS pit stop-therefore the finger salute

This is a frustration I can understand. I suspect the passing cart is one of the cart drivers that will tailgate you if their cart can go 0.5 MPH faster than you. They will be on you looking for any moment to get by. This is a very small percentage of folks IMO, but they are very frustrating to have on your *ss on an otherwise beautiful ride in TV.

If they could pass a slower cart it would happen very quickly. They likely would be speeding, but that is their problem, not mine...

[LitespeedRider]

I do get a real kick out of setting my cruise control RIGHT AT the speed limit on Morse, Rio Grande and El Camino Real...people get so mad, flash lights and tailgate...on those instance. I make extra special care to be more than certain that intersections are clear before crossing at stop signs :police::angel::icon_twisted:

[LitespeedRider]

but they are very frustrating to have on your *ss on an otherwise beautiful ride in TV.




Are you familiar with the term "Farmer Blow"? :jester:

[Inexes@aol.com]

From bbbbbb
Well yes, the infractions on the paths and on the roads are a real problem here, but then there is little or no enforcement. Some real antics take place, some close calls to be sure. One guy threatened to kick out the spokes on my bike. Well you probably know what would have been next at that event. A lot of people here do not like bike riders. Probably, for a lot of them they cannot handle a bike and resent those of of who do. Unfortunately, it may have to come to some major tragic event before it comes to the attention of someone who can see the need for some controls.
Yep, the one finger salute is common and it is a sad event. We need some monitors and some stiff fines for the impulsive group that act as if they are going to a fire on a fire truck. I have talked to persons who are selling their bikes. They cannot put up with the rudeness and the pirates of Happy Hours.

bbbbbb :police: ??????

If you ride a bike,I would think you would understand why most people do not like "bike riders". While those of us in cars are stopped for red lights, we just sit there and wait for it to change while those on bicycles just glide right on through it. Or just slide thru the stop signs, then you have to get by them again in traffic. But most often, it is the rudeness of the bike riders that causes the disdain. My husband and I were traveling a 2-lane, no passing road from CR 466 to CR 44 to get on the interstate for an appointment in Tampa. There were about 20-30 bikers out for a morning ride. They were very aware that we were behind them, as were other cars, and they would not/did not pull over and let the cars go by. It was a very slow trip until they got to their breakfast destination at CR 44 at the interstate exchange.

[Polar Bear]

I do get a real kick out of setting my cruise control RIGHT AT the speed limit on Morse, Rio Grande and El Camino Real...people get so mad, flash lights and tailgate...
The people's reactions sound like you may be in the left lane? If so, there's a good chance you are breaking the law and they have every right to be frustrated with you.

[LitespeedRider]

The people's reactions sound like you may be in the left lane? If so, there's a good chance you are breaking the law and they have every right to be frustrated with you.

Two lane sections of Morse and Rio...what is the harm in obeying the law? :angel:

What is super fun is to wash my headlights when cars or carts are tailgating...

[golf2140]

Why didn't this conversation start in the summer !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Chatbrat]

Because its brain dead season 3 golf cart accidents yesterday--keep the body count up !!!

[Rapscallion St Croix]

Two lane sections of Morse and Rio...what is the harm in obeying the law? :angel:

What is super fun is to wash my headlights when cars or carts are tailgating...

So, you like to obey the law while driving your car, but flaunt it while on your bike?

[Polar Bear]

Two lane sections of Morse and Rio...
No problem then. :)

[LitespeedRider]

So, you like to obey the law while driving your car, but flaunt it while on your bike?

It not taking crap from idiots in cars is flaunting - then yes. Oh, and just yesterday a hillbilly in a pickup got his clock cleaned (and sprayed with Halt!) by a Villager on a bicycle over by Summerfield!!! From what I understand he is also going to be ticketed (and probably arrested)...those pesky "Go-Pro's" we tend to wear :-)

Not my story to tell the finer points of however. That said, riding outside of TV is far more peaceful than being in TV.

[ajbrown]

Are you familiar with the term "Farmer Blow"? :jester:

I had to look it up... a bit gross for the crime and I suspect I would get myself too often :yuck:

BTW, I am aware of that that action, just never knew it had a name

[Chatbrat]

Honestly ,I'm not a bike rider-but odds of a bike ride being DUI are insignificant when compare to a golf cart driver there's no 19th hole for bike riders

If the LEO's -wanted to they, could incarcerate 1/2 the villages by placing dui stops outside the square & country clubs

[drstevens]

Not crossing the white line is a big misconception and was explained in the golf cart safety course (highly recommended) I took last month at Colony. You absolutely may and should cross the white line when safe and necessary. Never make a left turn from the golf cart lane, but move into the street traffic first and then turn left. The white line is NOT a do not cross line. Hope that helps!

[CFrance]

the other day in publix i had a woman explain to me that she had to move to tv because she is legally blind and lost her drivers license...but here, she can drive a cart and just pulls over for a few minutes when things get too blurry....comforting....

wonderful---i can't wait to encounter her:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
WHICH publix??!

[LitespeedRider]

What do you think?

Temp place in August - perm place by new years. But, family in TV for a decade or two...we have heard it all.

[perrjojo]

So here is what I am reading. A golf cart thougt a bicycle was going too slow so he pulled out in front of a car who thought the cart was going too slow. We are all in such a rushe here.

[Chatbrat]

From the OP, I was on St. Charles this AM, heading towards Bailey Tr. a golf cart decided the golf cart in front of him was going too slow--the golf cart at the last minute pulled directly in ,he front of my car & after that I hit my horn to alert him of his dumb and illegal move, he passed the slower cart

When he managed to pass the golf cart that was going to slow for him he gave me the single finger salute

And thats how this started !!

[kcrazorbackfan]

From the OP, I was on St. Charles this AM, heading towards Bailey Tr. a golf cart decided the golf cart in front of him was going too slow--the golf cart at the last minute pulled directly in ,he front of my car & after that I hit my horn to alert him of his dumb and illegal move, he passed the slower cart

When he managed to pass the golf cart that was going to slow for him he gave me the single finger salute

And thats how this started !!

Crap happens, doesn't it? The only reason I will pass another cart is because I will not follow someone smoking a damn cigar or cigarette; I don't have to and will not let their nasty, stinking habit spoil an otherwise beautiful ride. I will pass bicyclists though, whether it be the slow ones wearing their full body leotards or the turtle pace ones that are wobbling and looking like they're ready to fall over.

[John_W]

From the OP, I was on St. Charles this AM, heading towards Bailey Tr. a golf cart decided the golf cart in front of him was going too slow--the golf cart at the last minute pulled directly in ,he front of my car & after that I hit my horn to alert him of his dumb and illegal move, he passed the slower cart

When he managed to pass the golf cart that was going to slow for him he gave me the single finger salute

And thats how this started !!

I've been driving St. Charles and Bailey Trail everyday for about 5-1/2 years, you'll just have to get use to it. Starting a thread about something that occurs 2 or 3 times a week will get little old, carts passing carts and carts passing bikes happens everyday on those two streets.

I could mention just today on St. Charles, and this wasn't a case of inconvenience, it was a case of almost a golf cart become a hood ornament. I was southboard approaching Sterling Hgts Rec Center and a golf cart without using a turn signal or a hand jesture started over the white line no more than 20' ahead of my car while I was going 30 mph. I couldn't go left because a red Mustang was coming in the opposite direction, so I jammed my brakes hard without locking up. I didn't blow my horn, because I wasn't going to hit him, and I saw that he finally saw me in the mirror and started back to the right. After I passed I saw in my rearview mirror he made a left turn into the Rec Center. End of story, no one hurt, and I'm sure he'll look twice before making another left turn, or at least put on a turn signal and stick out his hand whether he sees anyone or not.

[Nucky]

I've been driving St. Charles and Bailey Trail everyday for about 5-1/2 years, you'll just have to get use to it. Starting a thread about something that occurs 2 or 3 times a week will get little old, carts passing carts and carts passing bikes happens everyday on those two streets.

I could mention just today on St. Charles, and this wasn't a case of inconvenience, it was a case of almost a golf cart become a hood ornament. I was southboard approaching Sterling Hgts Rec Center and a golf cart without using a turn signal or a hand jesture started over the white line no more than 20' ahead of my car while I was going 30 mph. I couldn't go left because a red Mustang was coming in the opposite direction, so I jammed my brakes hard without locking up. I didn't blow my horn, because I wasn't going to hit him, and I saw that he finally saw me in the mirror and started back to the right. After I passed I saw in my rearview mirror he made a left turn into the Rec Center. End of story, no one hurt, and I'm sure he'll look twice before making another left turn, or at least put on a turn signal and stick out his hand whether he sees anyone or not.

Oh my how did you ever survive that John W? Protocol states you must rush home and post each infraction you see everyday. You should never delay these important report's. LOL. Seriously John W. I'm with you, drive defensively and have your mind on driving and accept that not everyone is a driving instructor. The circle near Savannah produced an unwelcome surprise several days ago, a nice lady in a beautiful big white Mercedes was steaming directly at us on our side of the median and I had one fool drafting like a Nascar driver on my tail and a car next to me, thankfully he sped up so I could move over. Disaster averted thankfully the other guy helped us out. The lady in the Benz was frazzled and we felt sorry for her. New people here are in a state of mass confusion. It's a whole lot to take in and get accustomed to without someone be inpatient because a few seconds of their precious time is being devoured by someone who is possibly new and trying to get down the road or pick up their mail....I'll never forget that one. The people busting chops over these infractions have to remember they once were new here. How about us hearing about a person screwing up on the road and what the person acting like Barney Fife :police: did to give them a hand or help them out.
I'm glad to see someone like John W report the problem and the correct solution. It gives me hope.

[golfing eagles]

Crap happens, doesn't it? The only reason I will pass another cart is because I will not follow someone smoking a damn cigar or cigarette; I don't have to and will not let their nasty, stinking habit spoil an otherwise beautiful ride. I will pass bicyclists though, whether it be the slow ones wearing their full body leotards or the turtle pace ones that are wobbling and looking like they're ready to fall over.

While I agree with you in principle, there are problems with your argument.
If you are following closely enough to get second hand smoke, then you are getting worse from engine exhaust.
More importantly, in order to pass a smoker's cart going 20, you would have to ILLEGALLY modify your cart to go faster, and at least 23-24 to make passing effective before a car comes up on you before you can get back in the cart lane. And of course, you get even more CAR exhaust. Better off dropping back 50 feet and you won't be bothered.

[DonH57]

The other day in Publix I had a woman explain to me that she had to move to TV because she is legally blind and lost her drivers license...but here, she can drive a cart and just pulls over for a few minutes when things get too blurry....comforting....

A lot of drunks do that too.:)

[DonH57]

Not crossing the white line is a big misconception and was explained in the golf cart safety course (highly recommended) I took last month at Colony. You absolutely may and should cross the white line when safe and necessary. Never make a left turn from the golf cart lane, but move into the street traffic first and then turn left. The white line is NOT a do not cross line. Hope that helps!

The same thing is also explained by SCSO deputies at the monthly newcomers meetings at Colony.

[PennBF]

We were in our golf cart and following a bunch of bikers.The last biker was weaving all over the road including once in awhile riding on the white line on Morse Blvd below 466. They turned a corner and a panel truck turned and was now behind them including the last biker that was weaving. The biker weaved next to the truck and was hit. No obvious physical damage but the bike was damaged. One of the bikers asked us if we saw it and we said yes and the last biker was weaving into the road and the truck was not at fault in our opinion. At which time the other biker said so what if the biker was weaving into the road as the bikers can ride anywhere in the road including down the middle. I said that was not true and they started to be pretty angry when challenged on the subject. This is why there are some real problems as the biker's believe they own the road and cause the poor drivers a serious problem.!! There should be an education program for them!!:ohdear:

[LitespeedRider]

We were in our golf cart and following a bunch of bikers.The last biker was weaving all over the road including once in awhile riding on the white line on Morse Blvd below 466. They turned a corner and a panel truck turned and was now behind them including the last biker that was weaving. The biker weaved next to the truck and was hit. No obvious physical damage but the bike was damaged. One of the bikers asked us if we saw it and we said yes and the last biker was weaving into the road and the truck was not at fault in our opinion. At which time the other biker said so what if the biker was weaving into the road as the bikers can ride anywhere in the road including down the middle. I said that was not true and they started to be pretty angry when challenged on the subject. This is why there are some real problems as the biker's believe they own the road and cause the poor drivers a serious problem.!! There should be an education program for them!!:ohdear:

I am QUITE familiar with this situation. The truck will be found at fault (and has been). The multi-thousand dollar wheel was damaged (ruined)

I agree with you that there is a large part of responsibility on the cyclist. I know the cyclist was weaving due to being exhausted (and cut her ride short due to her physical condition).



She should not have been in the road maybe (but had the right to be there). Luckily no one was hurt. Too bad for the truck driver.


As a note: I ALWAYS ride to the LEFT of the white line 3' or more (as is my right)

[PennBF]

The truck driver will suffer for something not his responsibility. Per the note she was tired but he is going to pay for her disregard for all safety and his life will be impacted by the biker's disregard for the other persons well being. It would be the right thing for the biker to explain his/her role and accept that portion of the responsibility. Also, I understand bikers are to be 3 feet from the curb? We witnessed the accident and it appears what the writer wrote was partially accurate. Sad:ohdear:

[ColdNoMore]

The truck driver will suffer for something not his responsibility. Per the note she was tired but he is going to pay for her disregard for all safety and his life will be impacted by the biker's disregard for the other persons well being. It would be the right thing for the biker to explain his/her role and accept that portion of the responsibility. Also, I understand bikers are to be 3 feet from the curb? We witnessed the accident and it appears what the writer wrote was partially accurate. Sad:ohdear:
Good points.

While I have no problem "sharing the road" with bicyclers, a lot of them need to learn that the laws apply to them also.

So what if you bicyclers have to slow down and take your ballet slippers out of your toe clips...STOP still means STOP.

Even for you people...you're not special.

[Polar Bear]

...So what if you bicyclers have to slow down and take your ballet slippers out of your toe clips...STOP still means STOP...
My experience with most bicyclers is that they slow to a near-stop before going through stop signs, but no more or less so than the vast majority of automobile drivers. I have no problem with that.

I always get a kick out of this discussion. The percentage of automobile drivers who totally stop...and I mean 100% stop...absolutely 0.0000 MPH...at every stop sign is minuscule. And it doesn't make you a bad driver if you're not one of that small number. I expect no more or less from a bicycle rider.

[LitespeedRider]

I expect no more or less from a bicycle rider.

I agree - the one place I have been yelled at a few times in FL is running red lights that I have no ability to change. You can only wait to cross 301 for so long before you just go. There are states that have the same regulation for motorcycles to treat red lights as stop signs.

[Shimpy]

How would a golf cart driver make a left turn if they didn't cross the white line?

Or continue thru a stop sign or red light after stopping.

[PennBF]

First: The biker and truck turned "Right" off of Morse and
Second: The accident occurred in the "Middle" of a road and there was no involvement with a red light. :MOJE_whot: