I thought the Stock market was to crash

[jimbo2012]

MSM calls it wrong again


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[ColdNoMore]

I think "they" were talking about when Trump takes office and is able to get bills passed.

And that chapter...has yet to be written.

[jimbo2012]

No they said "elected"

I realize you hoping for that in the future because your crook lost :cryin2:

[Don Baldwin]

The "market" is another of many "bubbles", a "Ponzi". Artificially kept up.

[MDLNB]

The "market" is another of many "bubbles", a "Ponzi". Artificially kept up.

Better go look up the definition of "Ponzi." An example of a Ponzi scheme is Social Security. It should be privatized with something similar to the Thrift Savings plan. But congress will never give up their cheap pot of gold to dip into whenever they need to borrow with little interest.

[AJ32162]

The "market" is another of many "bubbles", a "Ponzi". Artificially kept up.

I don't think you would last long as a market analyst.

[Chi-Town]

This is a good time to do your yearly rebalancing.


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[Don Baldwin]

I don't think you would last long as a market analyst.

I don't think you would last long as a judge of what is real and what is fraud. Ever heard of QE? Quantitative easing? How about POMO? You go read up on fiat currencies, fractional reserve banking, research the Federal Reserve.

Then we'll talk about why the DOW is hitting records.

[RickeyD]

I don't think you would last long as a judge of what is real and what is fraud. Ever heard of QE? Quantitative easing? How about POMO? You go read up on fiat currencies, fractional reserve banking, research the Federal Reserve.



Then we'll talk about why the DOW is hitting records.



You are quite correct.

[AJ32162]

I don't think you would last long as a judge of what is real and what is fraud. Ever heard of QE? Quantitative easing? How about POMO? You go read up on fiat currencies, fractional reserve banking, research the Federal Reserve.

Then we'll talk about why the DOW is hitting records.

Maybe not, but I do understand what moves markets and how to employ strategies to take advantage of those movements. Making the statement that the markets are a ponzi scheme just shows your lack of understanding as to what REALLY moves markets.

[TexaninVA]

I don't think you would last long as a judge of what is real and what is fraud. Ever heard of QE? Quantitative easing? How about POMO? You go read up on fiat currencies, fractional reserve banking, research the Federal Reserve.

Then we'll talk about why the DOW is hitting records.

Exactly right.

[autumnspring]

Better go look up the definition of "Ponzi." An example of a Ponzi scheme is Social Security. It should be privatized with something similar to the Thrift Savings plan. But congress will never give up their cheap pot of gold to dip into whenever they need to borrow with little interest.

If, they privatized Social Security and people were allowed to invest their own money we would create a similar thing to what happened with sub prime mortgages.

Nothing can mess things up the way government can. We were convinced that real estate always goes up. Except like the stock market IT DOES NOT ALWAYS GO UP. People bough homes that they simply could not afford-convinced that real estate only goes up. When, the price of those homes DROPPED dramatically and people were allowed to buy those homes with little or nothing down, THE PEOPLE EXPECTED AND GOT A GOVERNMENT BAIL OUT.
Terms like SHORT SALE became normal language. The profit on that house that you OVERBOUGHT would have been yours had it gone up. In a short sale you stick the bank the taxpayers WITH THE LOSS DUE TO YOUR DECISIONS.

If, they were to allow self directed investment of YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY PAYMENTS people who did poorly would expect those that did well in the market to be taxed to make up for their mistakes.

ASIDE: The stock market always goes up. Only if you think LONG TERM. Someone who invested money JUST before the 1930 depression did recover their money JUST IT TOOK TILL 1967. The current rise in the stock market is due to GOVERNMENT ACTIONS. On a historical basis-LONG TERM, people is our age group would or should build a treasury bond ladder. The ten year bond would pay 2% above the rate of inflation. Today, we have a 2% rate of inflation and ten year bonds pay about 1.5%. If, you are getting more than that it is because your bond fund is leveraging the bonds they hold-they buy more bonds by selling the right to buy bonds they already hold.
TRANSLATION-there is much higher risk in bond funds then many people realize. OH, and you pay your full tax rate on the interest your receive. GOVERNMENT ACTION has forced people into the stock market. oNCE AGAIN AS IN THE 1920's everyone is in the market. everyone is making money-THE STOCK MARKET ALWAYS GOES UP-UNLESS IT DOESN'T.

[autumnspring]

I don't think you would last long as a judge of what is real and what is fraud. Ever heard of QE? Quantitative easing? How about POMO? You go read up on fiat currencies, fractional reserve banking, research the Federal Reserve.

Then we'll talk about why the DOW is hitting records.

Look at your current money it says based on the full faith and credit of the US. I think few Americans do not wonder about faith it our government.

We have been told, or perhaps MISLED ok deliberately MISLED that China is our largest creditor. The FACT is we actually owe slightly more to Japan the to China. THE REAL SHOCK IS that Japan and China together hold about 20% of our national debt SOCIAL SECURITY HOLDS 42%
OF THE NATIONAL DEBT. Our TRUSTED? government spent the money we/I paid to them over 45 years AND THEY SPENT IT.

As to the stock market, we hear and we accept that trillions have been lost or gained. IF, MONEY IS REAL IT CANNOT SIMPLY DISAPPEAR. If, I invest and loose 1,000 that 1,000, if it is real, would move from my account to someone elses. We toss about the term BUFFET LIKE.
Hell you are not even invited to the market where he buys and sells stocks.

[Don Baldwin]

Maybe not, but I do understand what moves markets and how to employ strategies to take advantage of those movements. Making the statement that the markets are a ponzi scheme just shows your lack of understanding as to what REALLY moves markets.

BFD...buy the f@cking dip. THE strategy that has worked since 2008.

If, they privatized Social Security and people were allowed to invest their own money we would create a similar thing to what happened with sub prime mortgages.

Nothing can mess things up the way government can. We were convinced that real estate always goes up. Except like the stock market IT DOES NOT ALWAYS GO UP. People bough homes that they simply could not afford-convinced that real estate only goes up. When, the price of those homes DROPPED dramatically and people were allowed to buy those homes with little or nothing down, THE PEOPLE EXPECTED AND GOT A GOVERNMENT BAIL OUT.
Terms like SHORT SALE became normal language. The profit on that house that you OVERBOUGHT would have been yours had it gone up. In a short sale you stick the bank the taxpayers WITH THE LOSS DUE TO YOUR DECISIONS.

If, they were to allow self directed investment of YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY PAYMENTS people who did poorly would expect those that did well in the market to be taxed to make up for their mistakes.

ASIDE: The stock market always goes up. Only if you think LONG TERM. Someone who invested money JUST before the 1930 depression did recover their money JUST IT TOOK TILL 1967. The current rise in the stock market is due to GOVERNMENT ACTIONS. On a historical basis-LONG TERM, people is our age group would or should build a treasury bond ladder. The ten year bond would pay 2% above the rate of inflation. Today, we have a 2% rate of inflation and ten year bonds pay about 1.5%. If, you are getting more than that it is because your bond fund is leveraging the bonds they hold-they buy more bonds by selling the right to buy bonds they already hold.
TRANSLATION-there is much higher risk in bond funds then many people realize. OH, and you pay your full tax rate on the interest your receive. GOVERNMENT ACTION has forced people into the stock market. oNCE AGAIN AS IN THE 1920's everyone is in the market. everyone is making money-THE STOCK MARKET ALWAYS GOES UP-UNLESS IT DOESN'T.

People who bought before the 2000 crash, didn't recover until quite recently too...15 years being negative.

Look at your current money it says based on the full faith and credit of the US. I think few Americans do not wonder about faith it our government.

We have been told, or perhaps MISLED ok deliberately MISLED that China is our largest creditor. The FACT is we actually owe slightly more to Japan the to China. THE REAL SHOCK IS that Japan and China together hold about 20% of our national debt SOCIAL SECURITY HOLDS 42%
OF THE NATIONAL DEBT. Our TRUSTED? government spent the money we/I paid to them over 45 years AND THEY SPENT IT.

As to the stock market, we hear and we accept that trillions have been lost or gained. IF, MONEY IS REAL IT CANNOT SIMPLY DISAPPEAR. If, I invest and loose 1,000 that 1,000, if it is real, would move from my account to someone elses. We toss about the term BUFFET LIKE.
Hell you are not even invited to the market where he buys and sells stocks.

WE hold most of our own debt. The government and the Fed.

It IS a Ponzi...a rigged casino...they know your bets...they know where your stops are...they'll take it if you're not careful.

[AJ32162]

BFD...buy the f@cking dip. THE strategy that has worked since 2008.

Yours is a pretty simplistic view of investing. Buy the dip, that's profound! What do you do while you are waiting for the 'dip'?

[Don Baldwin]

Yours is a pretty simplistic view of investing. Buy the dip, that's profound! What do you do while you are waiting for the 'dip'?

What are you a retard? You let it ride or sell if you think it's the top and wait for the next dip to add or get back in. In the mean time it's cash. Cash at about 0% or a CD at 0.1% doesn't really matter and I'd prefer the liquidity.

I'm talking to AJ the machine...are you Borg AJ? #7 of 9?

Oh...AJ the bot...speaking of interest rates...do you know WHY they're so low? Do you know WHY they went from 7% to almost 0%? So the government can make the interest payments on $20,000,000,000,000 of debt...they pay over half a $trillion each year in interest payments. If interest rates go up 1%, the payments go up $200,000,000,000 a year.

We're broke, we're bankrupt. The changing demographics means we'll never recover. 3rd worlders will NOT improve anything.

[Polar Bear]

The stock market is not really that complicated. The key is...

"Don't gamble; take all your savings and buy some good stock and hold it till it goes up, then sell it. If it don't go up, don't buy it." - Will Rogers

[AJ32162]

What are you a retard? You let it ride or sell if you think it's the top and wait for the next dip to add or get back in. In the mean time it's cash. Cash at about 0% or a CD at 0.1% doesn't really matter and I'd prefer the liquidity.

I'm talking to AJ the machine...are you Borg AJ? #7 of 9?

Oh...AJ the bot...speaking of interest rates...do you know WHY they're so low? Do you know WHY they went from 7% to almost 0%? So the government can make the interest payments on $20,000,000,000,000 of debt...they pay over half a $trillion each year in interest payments. If interest rates go up 1%, the payments go up $200,000,000,000 a year.

We're broke, we're bankrupt. The changing demographics means we'll never recover. 3rd worlders will NOT improve anything.

So, you obvious have no strategy to capitalize on the daily volatility of the market? Somehow I'm not surprised. It's probably best that you don't even try. Investors with limited funds and a limited knowledge of money and markets should probably stick with the basics or employ a financial adviser. Good luck with your 'buy on the dip' and 'market timing' strategy.

Oh, and thanks for the lesson on the Fed and interest rates. I'm sure it will prove useful.

[Don Baldwin]

So, you obvious have no strategy to capitalize on the daily volatility of the market? Somehow I'm not surprised. It's probably best that you don't even try. Investors with limited funds and a limited knowledge of money and markets should probably stick with the basics or employ a financial adviser. Good luck with your 'buy on the dip' and 'market timing' strategy.

Oh, and thanks for the lesson on the Fed and interest rates. I'm sure it will prove useful.

Whatever robo man... AJ32162 it's more a serial number than a name. The "markets" are rigged...95% of day traders end up losing. The market is a casino and they skim just like the casino. If you want to play their game...go for it. I was making a general statement that IF you had "bought the dips", you'd have made money since 2008. Good day.

[AJ32162]

Whatever robo man... AJ32162 it's more a serial number than a name. The "markets" are rigged...95% of day traders end up losing. The market is a casino and they skim just like the casino. If you want to play their game...go for it. I was making a general statement that IF you had "bought the dips", you'd have made money since 2008. Good day.

Don Baldwin, can't you post even ONE response without resorting to name calling? Your posts clearly demonstrate just how pathetic, demented and paranoid a "human being" can be.