Petraues is a better pick for Secretary of State than Romney

[billethkid]

Others in ooposition had their moment where they ran against or disagreed with Trump.

Romney made it a spectacle which of course the media went nuts over and gave wide distribution. He personally attcked Trump:

Mitt Romney: Donald Trump is a 'phony, a fraud' - CNNPolitics.com (http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/03/politics/mitt-romney-presidential-race-speech/)

Romney should be brought to the fore and then dumped for Petraeus, who is better suited for the job in the first place.

[janmcn]

Others in ooposition had their moment where they ran against or disagreed with Trump.

Romney made it a spectacle which of course the media went nuts over and gave wide distribution. He personally attcked Trump:

Mitt Romney: Donald Trump is a 'phony, a fraud' - CNNPolitics.com (http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/03/politics/mitt-romney-presidential-race-speech/)

Romney should be brought to the fore and then dumped for Petraeus, who is better suited for the job in the first place.


This is so amusing coming from the side that criticized Hillary Clinton for leaking classified material. What General Petraeus did with classified material was far worse and cost him his job.

[billethkid]

This is so amusing coming from the side that criticized Hillary Clinton for leaking classified material. What General Petraeus did with classified material was far worse and cost him his job.

No actually what is amusing is how one can ignore what Clinton has done and be so specific about another's violations.

The only difference is Obama wanted Petraus gone and he continues to cover for Clinton.....at least up to her losing that is.

[janmcn]

The facts remain Petraeus passed around books full of classified material to his girlfriend/biographer. This cost him his job and almost cost him his marriage.

This doesn't look good on the old resume. Even Trump is smart enough to know not touch this one with a ten foot pole.

[billethkid]

The facts remain Petraeus passed around books full of classified material to his girlfriend/biographer. This cost him his job and almost cost him his marriage.

This doesn't look good on the old resume. Even Trump is smart enough to know not touch this one with a ten foot pole.

So what does this view of wrong doing have to say with Clinton's mis handling and the loss of American lives and jeopardizing the security of the USA due to "MISHANDLING' of classified material.

He is no more disqualified than Clinton and his were lessor allegations.

What he did not have was Obama backing him and covering for him like he did/does for Clinton.

He is the better choice for the job of secretary of state....setting aside the BS guilty of what ever claims.

[rubicon]

The facts remain Petraeus passed around books full of classified material to his girlfriend/biographer. This cost him his job and almost cost him his marriage.

This doesn't look good on the old resume. Even Trump is smart enough to know not touch this one with a ten foot pole.

I agree it sets bad precedent to go forward with Petraeus as Secretary of State. and as much as I like Rudy Giuliani he also would be a bad pick.

Romney would be the best pick because compared to most in Washington he is squeaky clean and he is intellectually up to the task.
He has different views than Trump on many issues which is a good thing because Trump needs people willing to speak up and to challenge his position. However Romney is also professional enough to do his due diligence when the final decision is made.

Personal Best Regards:

[Paper1]

I agree it sets bad precedent to go forward with Petraeus as Secretary of State. and as much as I like Rudy Giuliani he also would be a bad pick.

Romney would be the best pick because compared to most in Washington he is squeaky clean and he is intellectually up to the task.
He has different views than Trump on many issues which is a good thing because Trump needs people willing to speak up and to challenge his position. However Romney is also professional enough to do his due diligence when the final decision is made.

Personal Best Regards:
For what it's worth I agree with your logic. Romney is the best pick as Trump has all hawks right now, they are great at war but totally ignorant to the cost of it. Everyone is salivating antisipating a giant unfunded spending spree. Romney would bring some level of reality to the party.

[Don Baldwin]

For what it's worth I agree with your logic. Romney is the best pick as Trump has all hawks right now, they are great at war but totally ignorant to the cost of it. Everyone is salivating antisipating a giant unfunded spending spree. Romney would bring some level of reality to the party.

Oh God...you women crack me up...so naive. Trump is going to borrow/spend like a madman. Romney is Gordan Gekko from the movie Wall Street...a corrupt raider and destroyer of failing companies. He buys them cheap and sells off the pieces. A very few he's brought back...because it was profitable for him.

Meet the new boss...he's gonna spend like the old boss.

[Rockyrd]

"President-elect Donald Trump intends to launch a broad legislative agenda that includes cutting taxes, rolling back the Affordable Care Act, growing the military and rebuilding the nation’s infrastructure.

The question is how congressional Republicans, after eight years of apocalyptic warnings about the growing national debt, will respond to the dire fiscal implications of proposals that would likely send the deficit soaring.

Taken together, the Trump agenda stands to drain hundreds of billions of dollars a year from the federal balance sheet. His proposed tax cut alone, according to independent analysts, could cost the Treasury as much as $7.2 trillion over a decade."

How to pay for Donald Trump’s trillion-dollar agenda? Congressional Republicans aren’t saying. - The Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2016/11/21/how-to-pay-for-donald-trumps-trillion-dollar-agenda-congressional-republicans-arent-saying/)

[Don Baldwin]

"President-elect Donald Trump intends to launch a broad legislative agenda that includes cutting taxes, rolling back the Affordable Care Act, growing the military and rebuilding the nation’s infrastructure.

The question is how congressional Republicans, after eight years of apocalyptic warnings about the growing national debt, will respond to the dire fiscal implications of proposals that would likely send the deficit soaring.

Taken together, the Trump agenda stands to drain hundreds of billions of dollars a year from the federal balance sheet. His proposed tax cut alone, according to independent analysts, could cost the Treasury as much as $7.2 trillion over a decade."

How to pay for Donald Trump’s trillion-dollar agenda? Congressional Republicans aren’t saying. - The Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2016/11/21/how-to-pay-for-donald-trumps-trillion-dollar-agenda-congressional-republicans-arent-saying/)

Take the money from welfare and put the former recipients to work building the infrastructure...a la the public works projects during the depression.

THAT won't happen... So Trump will borrow...a LOT. Damn the torpedo's...full speed ahead!

[MDLNB]

It is not a choice of the two. Neither are worthy of the position. Both are disloyal and should not even be considered. There are far better choices out there than those two that are damaged goods. Trump's best choice would be to go over to the State Dept and burrow down in the present employment list until they find an experienced ambassador that has not been appointed but has risen through the ranks on merit. One that knows the workings of the job and has worked many countries. Vet him and then offer him the job.

[Don Baldwin]

It is not a choice of the two. Neither are worthy of the position. Both are disloyal and should not even be considered. There are far better choices out there than those two that are damaged goods. Trump's best choice would be to go over to the State Dept and burrow down in the present employment list until they find an experienced ambassador that has not been appointed but has risen through the ranks on merit. One that knows the workings of the job and has worked many countries. Vet him and then offer him the job.

Ambassadorships are political appointments, reward for working hard for the candidate.

[MDLNB]

Ambassadorships are political appointments, reward for working hard for the candidate.

Not all of them. Some become ambassadors by working up from the ranks. Yes, they are still appointed, but these are appointed by merit. I have known Management Officers that have worked their way up to Ambassador in several instances. But, the point is that those two, Romney and Petraeus are not good choices. There are career State Dept employees that have experience and ability to perform a great job in that position as SecState.

Petraeus is hardly better than Hillary, a criminal
Romney is a petulant loser with no loyalty.

[jimbo2012]

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[Don Baldwin]

Not all of them. Some become ambassadors by working up from the ranks. Yes, they are still appointed, but these are appointed by merit. I have known Management Officers that have worked their way up to Ambassador in several instances. But, the point is that those two, Romney and Petraeus are not good choices. There are career State Dept employees that have experience and ability to perform a great job in that position as SecState.

Petraeus is hardly better than Hillary, a criminal
Romney is a petulant loser with no loyalty.

To sh!tty places...Somalia, S Africa, Haiti...not to Switzerland, Germany, France, England, Tahiti, and all the other "nice" places.

[ColdNoMore]

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No surprise.

Having someone who is level-headed and intelligent...goes against everything Trump supporters stand for. :ohdear:

[Don Baldwin]

No surprise.

Having someone who is level-headed and intelligent...goes against everything Trump supporters stand for. :ohdear:

Romney is Gordon Gekko from the movie Wall Street.

[billethkid]

No surprise.

Having someone who is level-headed and intelligent...goes against everything Trump supporters stand for. :ohdear:

Remember one can go blind from excess self gratification!

[janmcn]

No actually what is amusing is how one can ignore what Clinton has done and be so specific about another's violations.

The only difference is Obama wanted Petraus gone and he continues to cover for Clinton.....at least up to her losing that is.


The only one advocating for Petraeus to get a job in the Trump administration is Petraeus.

[MDLNB]

To sh!tty places...Somalia, S Africa, Haiti...not to Switzerland, Germany, France, England, Tahiti, and all the other "nice" places.

Panama is a "sh***y place?" Ambassador Eaton was there in the early/mid 2000's. I remember him as the management officer in the American Embassy Ankara, Turkey. He is just one example. Just saying. It was just a suggestion as to finding decent people for the job, versus flawed political losers. After all, we saw what happened with Hillary as SecState.

[graciegirl]

Oh God...you women crack me up...so naive. Trump is going to borrow/spend like a madman. Romney is Gordan Gekko from the movie Wall Street...a corrupt raider and destroyer of failing companies. He buys them cheap and sells off the pieces. A very few he's brought back...because it was profitable for him.

Meet the new boss...he's gonna spend like the old boss.

It wasn't THIS woman. I can spell anticipate.

[Don Baldwin]

It wasn't THIS woman. I can spell anticipate.

Unfortunately, you're part of the only 10% of women who can think logically...anticipate future actions...act accordingly. Most just blindly...go with the flow...

I can understand the the whole "peace and love" thing, I can. In a perfect world it's what we'd have. We don't live in a perfect world and pretending it;s not there, ignoring it, silencing those who try to warn you...doesn't work. It works in YOUR home and social circle, but not in the "Real world". The real world is full of VERY mean and nasty people who would kill you for a few bucks. Luckily, they're still kept separated in their inner city slums. But they're spreading, encouraged by misguided liberals.

Talk to your "peers", try to get them to understand what liberal policies REALLY do. Trannies in bathrooms, diversity, quotas, lack of immigration enforcement...it's literally destroying our culture, society, and country.

[bbbbbb]

[QUOTE=Guest]Others in ooposition had their moment where they ran against or disagreed with Trump.

Romney made it a spectacle which of course the media went nuts over and gave wide distribution. He personally attcked Trump:

Mitt Romney: Donald Trump is a 'phony, a fraud' - CNNPolitics.com (http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/03/politics/mitt-romney-presidential-race-speech/)

Romney should be brought to the fore and then dumped for Petraeus, who is better suited for the job in
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Regarding Romney. Well, I do not like to openly criticism anyone if I can avoid it. On Romney???
I was a token minority professor (NON MORMON) at a 100 per cent Mormon college. A bummer of an experience. The Mormons have this goal, take all the State or Fed funds and use them to promote Mormonism. Yes, not an exaggeration. If he Romney gets the gov job, he will build a huge following of Mormon employees, they will be on vacation 100 percent and around the world, promoting Mormonism.
Temple work and Building new Wards around the world. I have seen it folks, first hand. As their token Prof, I was required to develop all the new college courses, write the entire syllabus, write all the quizzes and tests and then TURN THAT INTO THE DEPT HEAD AND HE JUST GIVES IT all TO A NEW LAZY MORMON, ALL THE WORK IS DONE SO HE CAN NOW GET INTO HIS TEMPLE WORK. How about this one: A Mormon student is in the middle of his semester. He gets a surprise appointment to an overseas MISSION. So, for the rest of the school year, while he is on the MISSION, he gets A grades for all the subjects he is enrolled in, Honest folks, I saw it for three years in that sick religion. Have you seen the MOUNTAIN MEADOW MASSACRE movie on how the Mormons slaughtered settlers coming thru the Salt Lake area and then set it all up to blame the INDIANS??? Check it out. You will be amazed at what those people will and do and what they have done in the past. Do you know they do Temple work, they get lists of deceased persons then they yes,,,,,,,,,,,, WALK THEM THRU THE TEMPLE AND JOIN THE CHURCH AFTER THEY ARE ALREADY DEAD.
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[janmcn]

[QUOTE=Guest]Others in ooposition had their moment where they ran against or disagreed with Trump.

Romney made it a spectacle which of course the media went nuts over and gave wide distribution. He personally attcked Trump:

Mitt Romney: Donald Trump is a 'phony, a fraud' - CNNPolitics.com (http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/03/politics/mitt-romney-presidential-race-speech/)

Romney should be brought to the fore and then dumped for Petraeus, who is better suited for the job in
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Regarding Romney. Well, I do not like to openly criticism anyone if I can avoid it. On Romney???
I was a token minority professor (NON MORMON) at a 100 per cent Mormon college. A bummer of an experience. The Mormons have this goal, take all the State or Fed funds and use them to promote Mormonism. Yes, not an exaggeration. If he Romney gets the gov job, he will build a huge following of Mormon employees, they will be on vacation 100 percent and around the world, promoting Mormonism.
Temple work and Building new Wards around the world. I have seen it folks, first hand. As their token Prof, I was required to develop all the new college courses, write the entire syllabus, write all the quizzes and tests and then TURN THAT INTO THE DEPT HEAD AND HE JUST GIVES IT all TO A NEW LAZY MORMON, ALL THE WORK IS DONE SO HE CAN NOW GET INTO HIS TEMPLE WORK. How about this one: A Mormon student is in the middle of his semester. He gets a surprise appointment to an overseas MISSION. So, for the rest of the school year, while he is on the MISSION, he gets A grades for all the subjects he is enrolled in, Honest folks, I saw it for three years in that sick religion. Have you seen the MOUNTAIN MEADOW MASSACRE movie on how the Mormons slaughtered settlers coming thru the Salt Lake area and then set it all up to blame the INDIANS??? Check it out. You will be amazed at what those people will and do and what they have done in the past. Do you know they do Temple work, they get lists of deceased persons then they yes,,,,,,,,,,,, WALK THEM THRU THE TEMPLE AND JOIN THE CHURCH AFTER THEY ARE ALREADY DEAD.
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:MOJE_whot:



General Petraeus was fired from his CIA director's job for sharing classified information with his girlfriend/biographer. He was also demoted a few ranks. This is not something one would want or expect the Sec of State to engage in.

Next time keep your pants zipped, General Petraeus.

[Don Baldwin]

[QUOTE=Guest]



General Petraeus was fired from his CIA director's job for sharing classified information with his girlfriend/biographer. He was also demoted a few ranks. This is not something one would want or expect the Sec of State to engage in.

Next time keep your pants zipped, General Petraeus.

Right...it's ALWAYS the man's fault...how about you WOMEN start to keep your legs closed. NO self control?

[ColdNoMore]

Others in ooposition had their moment where they ran against or disagreed with Trump.

Romney made it a spectacle which of course the media went nuts over and gave wide distribution. He personally attcked Trump:

Mitt Romney: Donald Trump is a 'phony, a fraud' - CNNPolitics.com (http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/03/politics/mitt-romney-presidential-race-speech/)

Romney should be brought to the fore and then dumped for Petraeus, who is better suited for the job in
bbbbbb
Regarding Romney. Well, I do not like to openly criticism anyone if I can avoid it. On Romney???
I was a token minority professor (NON MORMON) at a 100 per cent Mormon college. A bummer of an experience. The Mormons have this goal, take all the State or Fed funds and use them to promote Mormonism. Yes, not an exaggeration. If he Romney gets the gov job, he will build a huge following of Mormon employees, they will be on vacation 100 percent and around the world, promoting Mormonism.
Temple work and Building new Wards around the world. I have seen it folks, first hand. As their token Prof, I was required to develop all the new college courses, write the entire syllabus, write all the quizzes and tests and then TURN THAT INTO THE DEPT HEAD AND HE JUST GIVES IT all TO A NEW LAZY MORMON, ALL THE WORK IS DONE SO HE CAN NOW GET INTO HIS TEMPLE WORK. How about this one: A Mormon student is in the middle of his semester. He gets a surprise appointment to an overseas MISSION. So, for the rest of the school year, while he is on the MISSION, he gets A grades for all the subjects he is enrolled in, Honest folks, I saw it for three years in that sick religion. Have you seen the MOUNTAIN MEADOW MASSACRE movie on how the Mormons slaughtered settlers coming thru the Salt Lake area and then set it all up to blame the INDIANS??? Check it out. You will be amazed at what those people will and do and what they have done in the past. Do you know they do Temple work, they get lists of deceased persons then they yes,,,,,,,,,,,, WALK THEM THRU THE TEMPLE AND JOIN THE CHURCH AFTER THEY ARE ALREADY DEAD.
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:MOJE_whot:


I'll bet most of them know how to properly use the '[/QUOTE]' function though. :oops:

And they know who is making the post...without the poster putting their user name multiple times in the post. :ohdear:

[mstavola]

This is so amusing coming from the side that criticized Hillary Clinton for leaking classified material. What General Petraeus did with classified material was far worse and cost him his job.

What the general did was wrong, but it did not cost anyone their life as was the case with the hacked server in the basement. And we still do not know the full extent of the damage done from the reckless disregard for national security from the smartest woman in the world.

[janmcn]

What the general did was wrong, but it did not cost anyone their life as was the case with the hacked server in the basement. And we still do not know the full extent of the damage done from the reckless disregard for national security from the smartest woman in the world.


How do you know it did not cost anyone their life? Petraeus turned over books full of classified material to his lover.

Trump is meeting with him today regarding the sec of state job, which fits perfectly with my theory that Trump only hires people who were fired or lost elections.

[MDLNB]

Romney = NO
Patraeus = NO

Find someone with less baggage and a bit of foreign policy knowledge. Perhaps a former Station Chief (CIA) that's been around a bit. They usually know more than the ambassadors.

[janmcn]

Petraeus is still serving his two year probation after pleading guilty. What he did was far worse than what Hillary Clinton was accused of doing, and yet she should go to jail while he becomes secretary of state. Go figure.

[billethkid]

Is it not amusing, no actually it is out right hillarious, the same folks who would look past all the wrong doing, law breaking, "careless and reckless" handling of the nation's security by Clinton have the nerve to attempt to cite what Pertaeus did wrong.

Un-:censored:-believeable!!!

[TheDude]

Trump needs to be loyal. Sec of State isn't more than a show position since modern times the president can do everything at any time. This is an honorary position. Romney no. Trump supporter yes.

[MDLNB]

Trump needs to be loyal. Sec of State isn't more than a show position since modern times the president can do everything at any time. This is an honorary position. Romney no. Trump supporter yes.

It's obvious that you know nothing of the position SecState and their duties. We need someone with experience and integrity, not disloyal political hacks and national security violators.

[Don Baldwin]

It's obvious that you know nothing of the position SecState and their duties. We need someone with experience and integrity, not disloyal political hacks and national security violators.

You do? You were one too? You're holding the latest "job description" in front of you?

ALL the appointed positions are POLITICAL appointments.

[MDLNB]

You do? You were one too? You're holding the latest "job description" in front of you?

ALL the appointed positions are POLITICAL appointments.

There are thousands of political appointments. That does not preclude them from requiring a certain amount of experience and knowledge. Yes, I do know what the job entails, since I worked for several of them.

[Don Baldwin]

There are thousands of political appointments. That does not preclude them from requiring a certain amount of experience and knowledge. Yes, I do know what the job entails, since I worked for several of them.

They KNOW how to play politics...THAT is the #1 priority. Sorry lady but the janitor doesn't know what REALLY goes on in the office.

If you DID "work for several" then you know that it's ALL politics...all bullsh!t...corruption.

[Taltarzac725]

Romney would be best choice Donald Trump has available to him. It would at least show that he is not just continuing the same kind of cronyism found in DC for the past 240 years.

[Don Baldwin]

Romney would be best choice Donald Trump has available to him. It would at least show that he is not just continuing the same kind of cronyism found in DC for the past 240 years.

OMG...please...Romney IS Gordon Gekko from the movie Wall Street...he buys up failing companies cheap and sells off the part for a profit. He is NOT a "good man"...none of them are. They're ALL narcissistic psychopaths.

[MDLNB]

They KNOW how to play politics...THAT is the #1 priority. Sorry lady but the janitor doesn't know what REALLY goes on in the office.

If you DID "work for several" then you know that it's ALL politics...all bullsh!t...corruption.

Well girl, it must be nice to be a know-in-all. It may be political appointments, but they still need to know the job. We have seen how hosed up Hillary was with it. She had no clue. That's why they need to appoint experienced people for positions. The Secstate is one of the most important cabinet positions.

[Don Baldwin]

Well girl, it must be nice to be a know-in-all. It may be political appointments, but they still need to know the job. We have seen how hosed up Hillary was with it. She had no clue. That's why they need to appoint experienced people for positions. The Secstate is one of the most important cabinet positions.

Gotta keep that boot pressed against their neck? We're an empire, run by/for the corporations/wealthy, out for world domination. Secstate is the head Nazi, the one who twists the boot heel just right to get the desired results.

How does a "political appointee" get EXPERIENCE in harassing foreign countries into submission? What experience does Romney have in dealing with foreign governments? I'd agree that the assistants of the current Secstate would be the best choice. But ABILITY has nothing to do with political appointments. Because they TELL others what to do, they don't really DO anything. They talk, golf, lunch, dinner, and make deals. Others "get 'er done".

[TheDude]

from state.gov, all rights to them.

Duties of the SecState
(My view between Petraeus, Romney and Giuliani)

Serves as the President's principal adviser on U.S. foreign policy; (Petraeus based on his military & CIA background)
Conducts negotiations relating to U.S. foreign affairs; (Petraeus and Romney tied, Giuliani maybe be a little hot headed)
Grants and issues passports to American citizens and exequaturs to foreign consuls in the United States; (All three can appoint people to do this)
Advises the President on the appointment of U.S. ambassadors, ministers, consuls, and other diplomatic representatives; (Petraeus knows more than Romney on this)
Advises the President regarding the acceptance, recall, and dismissal of the representatives of foreign governments; (All three can do this, as they would all be advised on this)
Personally participates in or directs U.S. representatives to international conferences, organizations, and agencies; (All three can do this, I could do this))
Negotiates, interprets, and terminates treaties and agreements; (All three can do this with Trump's direction, nothing doesn't go through Trump))
Ensures the protection of the U.S. Government to American citizens, property, and interests in foreign countries; (I lean toward Giuliani on this one for his law skills over Petraeus for his military skills)
Supervises the administration of U.S. immigration laws abroad; (Giuliani wins here as this is what he is focused on)
Provides information to American citizens regarding the political, economic, social, cultural, and humanitarian conditions in foreign countries; (Romney on this one, as he is more social based on things like healthcare)
Informs the Congress and American citizens on the conduct of U.S. foreign relations; (All three can do this)
Promotes beneficial economic intercourse between the United States and other countries; (Romney is more a businessman)
Administers the Department of State; (All three can direct others to run the day by day)
Supervises the Foreign Service of the United States. (I was going to say Giuliani but am going to be fair and say all three can do this)

So, with all that said. On being able to do the job and experience, each get 2 votes, with the rest being ties.

Now it comes down to integrity (the state of being whole and undivided): Giuliani wins as he has been whole and undivided towards Trump. If Giuliani was out of the picture, then Petraeus over Romney just because of the Romney rant.

So, I would give it to Giuliani.
Petraeus second
and Romney last

or Romney if you want pretty.

But its all down to what Trump wants, media is leaning Romney at this moment.

[Chi-Town]

Is it not amusing, no actually it is out right hillarious, the same folks who would look past all the wrong doing, law breaking, "careless and reckless" handling of the nation's security by Clinton have the nerve to attempt to cite what Pertaeus did wrong.

Un-:censored:-believeable!!!
Kind of makes you want to be on here less and less, huh BTK?

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[janmcn]

from state.gov, all rights to them.

Duties of the SecState
(My view between Petraeus, Romney and Giuliani)

Serves as the President's principal adviser on U.S. foreign policy; (Petraeus based on his military & CIA background)
Conducts negotiations relating to U.S. foreign affairs; (Petraeus and Romney tied, Giuliani maybe be a little hot headed)
Grants and issues passports to American citizens and exequaturs to foreign consuls in the United States; (All three can appoint people to do this)
Advises the President on the appointment of U.S. ambassadors, ministers, consuls, and other diplomatic representatives; (Petraeus knows more than Romney on this)
Advises the President regarding the acceptance, recall, and dismissal of the representatives of foreign governments; (All three can do this, as they would all be advised on this)
Personally participates in or directs U.S. representatives to international conferences, organizations, and agencies; (All three can do this, I could do this))
Negotiates, interprets, and terminates treaties and agreements; (All three can do this with Trump's direction, nothing doesn't go through Trump))
Ensures the protection of the U.S. Government to American citizens, property, and interests in foreign countries; (I lean toward Giuliani on this one for his law skills over Petraeus for his military skills)
Supervises the administration of U.S. immigration laws abroad; (Giuliani wins here as this is what he is focused on)
Provides information to American citizens regarding the political, economic, social, cultural, and humanitarian conditions in foreign countries; (Romney on this one, as he is more social based on things like healthcare)
Informs the Congress and American citizens on the conduct of U.S. foreign relations; (All three can do this)
Promotes beneficial economic intercourse between the United States and other countries; (Romney is more a businessman)
Administers the Department of State; (All three can direct others to run the day by day)
Supervises the Foreign Service of the United States. (I was going to say Giuliani but am going to be fair and say all three can do this)

So, with all that said. On being able to do the job and experience, each get 2 votes, with the rest being ties.

Now it comes down to integrity (the state of being whole and undivided): Giuliani wins as he has been whole and undivided towards Trump. If Giuliani was out of the picture, then Petraeus over Romney just because of the Romney rant.

So, I would give it to Giuliani.
Petraeus second
and Romney last

or Romney if you want pretty.

But its all down to what Trump wants, media is leaning Romney at this moment.


Rudy G would never pass the senate confirmation, just look at his record since leaving the mayor's job. Seventeen million in one year for speaking engagements. Look at the countries he spoke at.

FBI Director, James Comey, just reminded us that David Petraeus hid the classified documents he shared with his lover in his attic under the floorboards and then lied about it. He had a very contentious hearing before congress before he was fired from his CIA Director's job, stripped of a few ranks, and given two years probation after pleading guilty.

Would Petraeus pass a senate confirmation hearing? Hard to tell.

[Don Baldwin]

They're ALL psychopathic corrupt criminals! WHEN will you get that through your heads? THOSE are the people who want these jobs full of power and privilege.

[MDLNB]

They're ALL psychopathic corrupt criminals! WHEN will you get that through your heads? THOSE are the people who want these jobs full of power and privilege.

What's that got to do with the subject?

[Don Baldwin]

What's that got to do with the subject?

Everyone in contention and the guys picking them are all corrupt psychopaths? The corrupt placing other corrupt in positions of power. You think Trump isn't going to be business as usual? More borrowing...more spending...more fat cats getting richer...same as it ever was.

[MDLNB]

Everyone in contention and the guys picking them are all corrupt psychopaths? The corrupt placing other corrupt in positions of power. You think Trump isn't going to be business as usual? More borrowing...more spending...more fat cats getting richer...same as it ever was.

Sooo??? You have a lot of complaints but I have yet to hear you mention a solution, other than get rid of anyone that is not like you.

[Chi-Town]

Romney and Trump had a two hour dinner meeting. Here's the menu:

The menu for Trump and Romney's dinner? Prime sirloin, lamb chops, chocolate cake and... soup with sautéed frog leg… twitter.com/i/web/st…

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[billethkid]

They're ALL psychopathic corrupt criminals! WHEN will you get that through your heads? THOSE are the people who want these jobs full of power and privilege.

One just has to wonder how these criminals keep getting re-elected?

THe silent majority. Maybe 11/8 demonstrated what happens when the silent majority takes action.

[Don Baldwin]

Sooo??? You have a lot of complaints but I have yet to hear you mention a solution, other than get rid of anyone that is not like you.

I had a solution...vote for ANYONE but a D or R...you ignored it...so now we have..."meet the new boss, same as the old boss". We DID get fooled again. You did and 17% of the population who elected him.

You REALLY think a "rogue" is going to take charge of a $5 trillion a year operation and CHANGE everything about it? It's like the mob allowing some guy to be the new Don who is going to "fire" all the lower bosses... Good luck with that.

Trump is a "made man", he's been corrupted, he'll "play ball", and we'll borrow and spend a LOT. Everyone will be happy...everyone who COUNTS. Or, he has a very short presidency.

[Don Baldwin]

One just has to wonder how these criminals keep getting re-elected?

THe silent majority. Maybe 11/8 demonstrated what happens when the silent majority takes action.

They con their way into people hearts, they lie to them, they use emotions so they hate the "other guy" more.

They ARE psychopaths, they do it without remorse, it's literally a game for them...win no matter what.

The silent majority is quickly being bred out through changing demographics...and they were FOOLED on 11/8. It'll be business as usual.

[MDLNB]

I had a solution...vote for ANYONE but a D or R...you ignored it...so now we have..."meet the new boss, same as the old boss". We DID get fooled again. You did and 17% of the population who elected him.

You REALLY think a "rogue" is going to take charge of a $5 trillion a year operation and CHANGE everything about it? It's like the mob allowing some guy to be the new Don who is going to "fire" all the lower bosses... Good luck with that.

Trump is a "made man", he's been corrupted, he'll "play ball", and we'll borrow and spend a LOT. Everyone will be happy...everyone who COUNTS. Or, he has a very short presidency.

No, you think you had a solution, but you were wrong AGAIN. There was no one else to vote for. And you have nothing new to say.

[MDLNB]

They con their way into people hearts, they lie to them, they use emotions so they hate the "other guy" more.

They ARE psychopaths, they do it without remorse, it's literally a game for them...win no matter what.

The silent majority is quickly being bred out through changing demographics...and they were FOOLED on 11/8. It'll be business as usual.

:cryin2:

[janmcn]

Is it not amusing, no actually it is out right hillarious, the same folks who would look past all the wrong doing, law breaking, "careless and reckless" handling of the nation's security by Clinton have the nerve to attempt to cite what Pertaeus did wrong.

Un-:censored:-believeable!!!


The difference is Petraeus pled guilty to mishandling classified material and was sentenced to two years probation, fired from his job as director of the CIA, and stripped of a few ranks.

Hillary Clinton was never charged with any crime even after a one year FBI investigation. Can you imagine the outrage if classified documents were found under the floor boards of the attic floor in the Clinton's home like they were at Petraeus' home, and then he lied about them to the FBI?

Another interesting point about Petraeus' probation, he is not allowed to handle any classified material. How can anyone be sec of state without handling classified material?

[MDLNB]

The difference is Petraeus pled guilty to mishandling classified material and was sentenced to two years probation, fired from his job as director of the CIA, and stripped of a few ranks.

Hillary Clinton was never charged with any crime even after a one year FBI investigation. Can you imagine the outrage if classified documents were found under the floor boards of the attic floor in the Clinton's home like they were at Petraeus' home, and then he lied about them to the FBI?

Another interesting point about Petraeus' probation, he is not allowed to handle any classified material. How can anyone be sec of state without handling classified material?

No, Clinton was not YET charged. And she did hide classified, only on her illegal server. And where Patraeus had confidential information, Hitlery had Top Secret, Secret and Confidential documents, along with captioned and code word material on her server and allowed uncleared personnel access to it. Not only should she lose her clearance for ANY gov information, but she should be in jail. Her not being in jail does not prove that she is innocent of breaking felony laws. It means that no one has charged and convicted her yet. Al Capone was only charged with a tax violation because they did not have enough evidence to prove his guilt. He would not be in the history books if he was just convicted of tax fraud. He was a felonious criminal just like Hillary.

Romney should not be trusted with such a high position in this administration. His loyalty has already been lacking.
Petraeus should not be trusted with this position because he is a convicted violator of national security law.

There are thousands if not millions of people in the U.S. that are far better choices for the job.

[Don Baldwin]

No, you think you had a solution, but you were wrong AGAIN. There was no one else to vote for. And you have nothing new to say.

I had the ONLY solution...you didn't follow through and elected an R who will be more of the same.

Wrong? You elected someone else, so the "experiment" will never run to know if it would have made a difference...your a woman...I thought so...I'm speaking to ANOTHER woman. Sorry baby, I don't have time to explain logic to you today, how we'll never know IF I would have been right, I've got a t-time.

There were FOUR others you could have voted for...you unwisely chose a "lesser" evil. That is what you will get...a slightly lesser evil...but still evil.

I have lots new to say if you'd change the subject and stop lying about things. I call out lies. We talk about politicians, I talk about their lies. Vote in new politicians, not affiliated with the D or R party if you want me to stop talking about their lies.

Things aren't going to change when the same connected people are in charge...think about it. They're ALL well known politicians, generals ARE politicians if you're not aware. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

[jimbo2012]

what do U do just copy and paste your old posts?

Get creative draft new lines of your BS, getting very boring

[janmcn]

No, Clinton was not YET charged. And she did hide classified, only on her illegal server. And where Patraeus had confidential information, Hitlery had Top Secret, Secret and Confidential documents, along with captioned and code word material on her server and allowed uncleared personnel access to it. Not only should she lose her clearance for ANY gov information, but she should be in jail. Her not being in jail does not prove that she is innocent of breaking felony laws. It means that no one has charged and convicted her yet. Al Capone was only charged with a tax violation because they did not have enough evidence to prove his guilt. He would not be in the history books if he was just convicted of tax fraud. He was a felonious criminal just like Hillary.

Romney should not be trusted with such a high position in this administration. His loyalty has already been lacking.
Petraeus should not be trusted with this position because he is a convicted violator of national security law.

There are thousands if not millions of people in the U.S. that are far better choices for the job.


The only problem with your premise is how does Hillary Clinton get convicted when there is no on-going investigation? If you know of one, please post a link.

The other fallacy is David Petraeus was charged with mishandling top-secret information and pled guilty, not confidential information.

[jimbo2012]

The only problem with your premise is how does Hillary Clinton get convicted when there is no on-going investigation? If you know of one, please post a link.



Ask the Over site Committee if they stopped, interviewed about a week ago.......they are on it like white on rice!

Trey Cowdy
J Chaffez
If you thought Congress was done probing Hillary Clinton's email scandal, Rep. Jason Chaffetz, of Utah, has some news for you.

The Republican chair of the House Oversight committee told Fox News that new evidence turned over by the FBI pointed to a "quid pro quo" arrangement between the FBI and the State Department and that was grounds for at least "four new hearings" after Congress comes back from recess.

"This is a flashing red light of potential criminality," Chaffetz said.

The allegations emerge after the FBI gave lawmakers a third tranche of documents related to their investigation into Clinton's use of a personal email server during her time as secretary of state. Those documents have not been made public, but some lawmakers have been given access and Chaffetz said he was briefed on the matter.

According to Fox News, State Undersecretary for Management Patrick Kennedy may have asked an FBI official to change the classification of an email in exchange for space at foreign postings for extra FBI agents.

and the new AG will be on their side of the investigation

[MDLNB]

The only problem with your premise is how does Hillary Clinton get convicted when there is no on-going investigation? If you know of one, please post a link.

The other fallacy is David Petraeus was charged with mishandling top-secret information and pled guilty, not confidential information.

Where did you get your information?

He was charged with mishandling CLASSIFIED material (a misdemeanor). Of course there was a plea, just as there will be a plea once Hillary is charged.

Neither one of them should have a gov job. Both should be in jail. National Security is a serious subject, that should not be trivialized.