Official roundabout rules, with link

[The Villages Guy]

OFFICIAL ROUNDABOUT RULES, WITH LINK:

Choose your lane:

Approaching a two lane roundabout, make a lane choice according to the following rules:

• If you intend to exit the roundabout more than halfway around, use the LEFT-HAND lane.

• If you intend to exit the roundabout less than halfway around, use the RIGHT-HAND lane.

• If you intend to continue straight through, use either lane unless signs or markings indicate otherwise.

http://www.districtgov.org/community/Roundabout-02-08-12.pdf

[TheDude]

I get lost in roundabouts

I'll be in the 2017 Yamaha with bummers

[Topspinmo]

I add my opinion, some can disagree ICCL. :beer3:

* use your blinker light, even it you exit the first exit, so the cars waiting to enter the roundabout know your intensions. Plus cart path golf carts/bikers/walkers know your intentions.
* yield to traffic in the roundabout. if Clear DON"T STOP THERE is NO STOP SIGN ENTERING ROUNDABOUT, its a yield sign. which means if coast clear you don't have to stop, Now 4 way stop requires you to stop behind/at the stop sign before your inline.
* Don't enter the right lane switch to left lane and exit in the right going straight through just because its short and you don't have to turn your steering wheel as far. there may be some in you blind spot
* Best not to have car beside you in the left lane while going through roundabout, not all cars exit at the first exit. car or truck ahead in roundabout has the right way, that's why you don't want to be beside them.
* use your blinker, USE YOUR BLINKER, can't say this enough.

[Mrs. Robinson]

OFFICIAL ROUNDABOUT RULES, WITH LINK:

Choose your lane:
Approaching a two lane roundabout, make a lane choice according to the following rules:
• If you intend to exit the roundabout more than halfway around, use the LEFT-HAND lane.
• If you intend to exit the roundabout less than halfway around, use the RIGHT-HAND lane.
• If you intend to continue straight through, use either lane unless signs or markings indicate otherwise.


An age old Villages' conundrum. The damn circles should have never been built!
When Mr. Schwartz originally built, please notice that there weren't any.
Also note that there are far fewer accidents north of 466, where there aren't any circles on Morse. The stop signs work perfectly.
No one knows how to drive them, the dotted lines belie what the signs say, they kill your tires,
the stop-and-go plays havoc on your gas usage and they are too small in circumference to improve the flow of traffic.

I rest my case. :rant-rave:

[l2ridehd]

Roundabouts are nothing but a traffic light replacement and work EXACTLY the same way.

If you wanted to turn right at a traffic light, you would make that lane choice before getting there and come at it from the right hand lane. You would also yield to anyone already in the traffic flow.

If you wanted to turn left at a traffic light you would make that lane choice before getting there and come at it from the left hand lane.

If you were planning to go straight through you would use either lane.

Traffic light and roundabout work the same.

[rubicon]

I add my opinion, some can disagree ICCL. :beer3:

* use your blinker light, even it you exit the first exit, so the cars waiting to enter the roundabout know your intensions. Plus cart path golf carts/bikers/walkers know your intentions.
* yield to traffic in the roundabout. if Clear DON"T STOP THERE is NO STOP SIGN ENTERING ROUNDABOUT, its a yield sign. which means if coast clear you don't have to stop, Now 4 way stop requires you to stop behind/at the stop sign before your inline.
* Don't enter the right lane switch to left lane and exit in the right going straight through just because its short and you don't have to turn your steering wheel as far. there may be some in you blind spot
* Best not to have car beside you in the left lane while going through roundabout, not all cars exit at the first exit. car or truck ahead in roundabout has the right way, that's why you don't want to be beside them.
* use your blinker, USE YOUR BLINKER, can't say this enough.

Well done easily understood

thanks

[golfing eagles]

I would just add that the yield sign at the RB entrance means YIELD, to BOTH lanes, or you might have a nasty surprise at the first exit (you going straight in R lane and the inner lane vehicle going to YOUR first exit, which is straight for him from his point of entry)

[ColdNoMore]

OFFICIAL ROUNDABOUT RULES, WITH LINK:

Choose your lane:

Approaching a two lane roundabout, make a lane choice according to the following rules:

• If you intend to exit the roundabout more than halfway around, use the LEFT-HAND lane.

• If you intend to exit the roundabout less than halfway around, use the RIGHT-HAND lane.

• If you intend to continue straight through, use either lane unless signs or markings indicate otherwise.

http://www.districtgov.org/community/Roundabout-02-08-12.pdf

While I applaud your intent, most of the ones who need to know this will either never see it...or ignore it. :(

[golfing eagles]

While I applaud your intent, most of the ones who need to know this will either never see it...or ignore it. :(

I tend to agree. It's not like this hasn't been posted about a zillion times before

[vorage]

Roundabouts are nothing but a traffic light replacement and work EXACTLY the same way.

Exactly. If you wanted to turn right at a traffic light, you would make that lane choice before getting there and come at it from the right hand lane. You would also yield to anyone already in the traffic flow.

If you wanted to turn left at a traffic light you would make that lane choice before getting there and come at it from the left hand lane.

If you were planning to go straight through you would use either lane.

Traffic light and roundabout work the same.

Why is this so hard to understand? At a traffic light, would you turn left from the right lane? No. Would you turn right from the left lane? Of course not. Would you pull out in front of cross traffic? Again, no. A roundabout changes nothing. Nothing. And yet, there are many who insist it is "safer" to navigate in the outside lane, no matter what. Sigh. Just do it right and remain very observant of cars around you. Always assume the car next to you is oblivious.

[Polar Bear]

...The damn circles should have never been built!

...The stop signs work perfectly...

...and far less efficiently than the roundabouts.

[autumnspring]

Why is this so hard to understand? At a traffic light, would you turn left from the right lane? No. Would you turn right from the left lane? Of course not. Would you pull out in front of cross traffic? Again, no. A roundabout changes nothing. Nothing. And yet, there are many who insist it is "safer" to navigate in the outside lane, no matter what. Sigh. Just do it right and remain very observant of cars around you. Always assume the car next to you is oblivious.

These posts show that people are mostly confused.
YOU CAN READ THAT AS MOST OF US REALIZE THAT THE TRAFFIC CIRCLES ARE DANGEROUS.

You can actually LEGALLY make a right hand turn from the left hand lane. However, LEGAL does not mean it is safe to do so.

The person in the traffic circle has the right of way over people trying to enter. You must assume the person trying to enter KNOWS THIS, SEES YOU, CARES WHAT YOUR RIGHTS ARE. You dare not slow down for the other person THINKS you are INCORRECTLY yielding to them.

You need to THINK FOR OTHERS. I will not allow anyone to drive through the traffic circle next to me. First I cannot tell if you know I am there and secondly you are blocking my way to avoid an accident if someone incorrectly decides to enter the round a bout.

MY DAD TAUGHT ME TO DRIVE. SIMPLE RULE, EXPECT THE PEOPLE AROUND YOU TO DO THE STUPIDEST POSSIBLE THING BECAUSE THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO.

[Polar Bear]

...I will not allow anyone to drive through the traffic circle next to me...

I don't understand why you think roundabouts are so dangerous then. You are obeying what is imo the single most important rule of roundabout driving. Keep doing that and you will be just fine.

[big guy]

Better yet, owners of rental homes should send round about safety rules and golf car safety to renters BEFORE they come to the Villages. We always sent them to our renters and visitors and they have all been very appreciative.

[justjim]

They are now installing roundabouts in other towns and cities across the country. Why? They are safer and move the traffic more efficiently.

[Barefoot]

You can actually LEGALLY make a right hand turn from the left hand lane. However, LEGAL does not mean it is safe to do so.
I know two people who've had accidents making a right hand turn from the left lane (when the turn is the third exit).
You are right Sue, legal doesn't mean it is safe to do so.
In both cases, the drivers in the right lane that broadsided them were not charged by the police.

[golf2140]

It's that time of year, roundabouts, paths all the b----ing starts

[golfing eagles]

Like Judge Judy says, "You can't fix stupid"

[Putt4Dough]

My rule for roundabouts

do not enter when other cars are present

then drive like hell to my exit

so far it's working good

[golfing eagles]

My rule for roundabouts

do not enter when other cars are present

then drive like hell to my exit

so far it's working good

For what, 2 months???? Give it time, and somebody will do something so idiotic that there is no defense that can be planned in advance. My personal favorite---encountering a car driving clockwise in a RB.

[Polar Bear]

They are now installing roundabouts in other towns and cities across the country. Why? They are safer and move the traffic more efficiently.

That's a fact.

[Mrs. Robinson]

...and far less efficiently than the roundabouts.

Define "less effective."

In this case, less effective also means fewer accidents.

[Mrs. Robinson]

They are now installing roundabouts in other towns and cities across the country. Why? They are safer and move the traffic more efficiently.

That's a fact.

The effective and (especially) efficient ones are usually quite large -- large enough to handle some pretty heavy traffic.
Those which have been built here are much too small to make traffic flow safely and efficiently.

The real problem is, regardless of how much the topic is talked and written about, 95% of the residents still don't know how to drive them!
They either just don't get it, don't care or are simply scared to death of them.

[chuck90199]

Here's my favorite roundabout. Oh, wait. It's in Massachusetts, so it's called a rotary. This would be a riot after "happy hour."

[Polar Bear]

Define "less effective."

In this case, less effective also means fewer accidents.

The effective and (especially) efficient ones are usually quite large -- large enough to handle some pretty heavy traffic.
Those which have been built here are much too small to make traffic flow safely and efficiently.

The real problem is, regardless of how much the topic is talked and written about, 95% of the residents still don't know how to drive them!
They either just don't get it, don't care or are simply scared to death of them.
Efficient (the word I used) means handles a greater volume of traffic and is also safer. The roundabouts in TV are an appropriate size for the traffic they are asked to handle and are still far more efficient than either stop signs or traffic signals would be at the locations they are implemented.

Replacing all the roundabouts in TV (it's not gonna happen by-the-way) would certainly result in far greater delays and almost as certainly an increase in the number of accidents. This claim is backed up by numerous traffic studies over the years as roundabouts have become more widespread.

Roundabouts are only good at intersections and in areas that meet certain criteria, and the locations in TV where roundabouts have been implemented meet those criteria.

From a more anecdotal perspective, I have been in TV for almost four years now, and I've never witnessed an accident in a roundabout. I've seen a few of the silly, potentially dangerous driver actions of course, but none that couldn't be avoided by adhering to the two most important roundabout driving principles... 1) when approaching a roundabout always yield to traffic in both lanes of the roundabout, and 2) never drive alongside another vehicle when within the roundabout. Obey those two "rules" and the only mistake that can hurt you in the roundabout is one of your own doing.

I will agree with you that many residents, and especially visitors, don't know how to drive the roundabouts. But if you drive according to the two rules listed above, even those drivers' mistakes will be easily avoidable.

By the way, just for the record, during my career I spent roughly thirty years in the field of traffic and transportation. I am a Professional Engineer in the State of Florida and have a Masters Degree in Transportation Engineering from the University of Florida.

[golfing eagles]

By the way, just for the record, during my career I spent roughly thirty years in the field of traffic and transportation. I am a Professional Engineer in the State of Florida and have a Masters Degree in Transportation Engineering from the University of Florida.

Doesn't matter, people will argue with you anyway:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Barefoot]

For what, 2 months???? Give it time, and somebody will do something so idiotic that there is no defense that can be planned in advance. My personal favorite---encountering a car driving clockwise in a RB.
I haven't experienced wrong-way driving in a roundabout, but my husband has.
The driver going the wrong way shook her fist at him.

[biker1]

Yes, that is the situation you must watch out for. I have had a couple of close calls myself when I have been in the right lane. Only enter a roundabout when there will be no cars adjacent to you.

I know two people who've had accidents making a right hand turn from the left lane (when the turn is the third exit).
You are right Sue, legal doesn't mean it is safe to do so.
In both cases, the drivers in the right lane that broadsided them were not charged by the police.

[tedquick]

Whenever I am in a round about I assume that anyone anywhere near me is a potential accident waiting to happen so I watch them all very carefully. I've seen plenty of stupid things happen but so far I have remained accident free. (knock on wood).

[ColdNoMore]

Whenever I am in a round about I assume that anyone anywhere near me is a potential accident waiting to happen so I watch them all very carefully.

The Golden Rule of roundabouts. :thumbup:

[justjim]

I haven't experienced wrong-way driving in a roundabout, but my husband has.
The driver going the wrong way shook her fist at him.

I have seen a lot in 10 years. Cars driving down a golf cart trail to a golf cart driving West on Rt 466. If I could choose, I would rather have an automobile accident with another automobile traveling approximately 20 mph in a roundabout vs. an accident at a traffic signal with another automobile traveling approximately 45 mph.

Roundabouts are safer.

[Mrs. Robinson]

Efficient (the word I used) means handles a greater volume of traffic and is also safer. The roundabouts in TV are an appropriate size for the traffic they are asked to handle and are still far more efficient than either stop signs or traffic signals would be at the locations they are implemented.

Replacing all the roundabouts in TV (it's not gonna happen by-the-way) would certainly result in far greater delays and almost as certainly fewer accidents. This claim is backed up by numerous traffic studies over the years as roundabouts have become more widespread.

Roundabouts are only good at intersections and in areas that meet certain criteria, and the locations in TV where roundabouts have been implemented meet those criteria.

From a more anecdotal perspective, I have been in TV for almost four years now, and I've never witnessed an accident in a roundabout. I've seen a few of the silly, potentially dangerous driver actions of course, but none that couldn't be avoided by adhering to the two most important roundabout driving principles... 1) when approaching a roundabout always yield to traffic in both lanes of the roundabout, and 2) never drive alongside another vehicle when within the roundabout. Obey those two "rules" and the only mistake that can hurt you in the roundabout is one of your own doing.

I will agree with you that many residents, and especially visitors, don't know how to drive the roundabouts. But if you drive according to the two rules listed above, even those drivers' mistakes will be easily avoidable.

By the way, just for the record, during my career I spent roughly thirty years in the field of traffic and transportation. I am a Professional Engineer in the State of Florida and have a Masters Degree in Transportation Engineering from the University of Florida.

Efficiency has nothing to do with safety. The two words are not synonymous.
When you are already driving within our circles, only two vehicles (maximum, per lane) can barely drive in between each of the four exit/entrances.
That is not efficient. They are too small and with the increased population, they seem to be ever-shrinking.

No one ever said the circles would be replaced. Of course they won't be.
And yes -- replacement would result in fewer accidents, as you said.
Where does one find these "traffic studies" to substantiate what you are saying?
I'm not really sure that the implementation of circles throughout the country is "widespread." Some -- yes, but limited, perhaps.

In every single area where there is a circle, the intersection exactly mimics a four-way intersection which would have a minimum of two stop signs or a traffic light.
There is no difference and it is pretty much universal throughout the country.

"anecdotal perspective???

I've been in this area for an equal amount of time and have seen about half a dozen fender benders within a circle.

A "professional engineer?" So is my husband. I have never heard of a degree in "transportation engineering," per se. Does it have something to do with a bus?

[golfing eagles]

By the way, just for the record, during my career I spent roughly thirty years in the field of traffic and transportation. I am a Professional Engineer in the State of Florida and have a Masters Degree in Transportation Engineering from the University of Florida.

Doesn't matter, people will argue with you anyway:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Efficiency has nothing to do with safety. The two words are not synonymous.
When you are already driving within our circles, only two vehicles (maximum, per lane) can barely drive in between each of the four exit/entrances.
That is not efficient. They are too small and with the increased population, they seem to be ever-shrinking.

No one ever said the circles would be replaced. Of course they won't be.
And yes -- replacement would result in fewer accidents, as you said.
Where does one find these "traffic studies" to substantiate what you are saying?
I'm not really sure that the implementation of circles throughout the country is "widespread." Some -- yes, but limited, perhaps.

In every single area where there is a circle, the intersection exactly mimics a four-way intersection which would have a minimum of two stop signs or a traffic light.
There is no difference and it is pretty much universal throughout the country.

"anecdotal perspective???

I've been in this area for an equal amount of time and have seen about half a dozen fender benders within a circle.

A "professional engineer?" So is my husband. I have never heard of a degree in "transportation engineering," per se. Does it have something to do with a bus?


Dear PB, I hate to say I told you so, but.....I TOLD YOU SO!:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Dear responder, If I know PB, who sometimes fails to see humor in little rolling, laughing icons---I doubt he will find your bus comment funny. (and I do hope it was intended to be FUNNY, and not just plain RUDE). After all, isn't this America's FRIENDLIEST home town????

[Polar Bear]

Efficiency has nothing to do with safety. The two words are not synonymous...
I never said the two were synonymous. Those are your words. But no engineer or anybody else with any common sense would ever consider an intersection efficient if it resulted in lots of accidents.

...When you are already driving within our circles, only two vehicles (maximum, per lane) can barely drive in between each of the four exit/entrances. That is not efficient. They are too small and with the increased population, they seem to be ever-shrinking...

The roundabouts in TV are plenty large enough to handle the traffic load they are designed to handle, which is the traffic along Buena Vista, Morse, and cross streets. How many vehicles fits in the roundabout at any given instant has little to do with the efficiency of the roundabout.

The efficiency of an intersection is measured more by how many vehicles can pass safely through the intersection in a given unit of time and...more importantly...how much delay there is for vehicles attempting to pass through the intersection. Overall vehicle delays on Buena Vista and Morse would increase dramatically if stop signs or traffic signals were implemented at current roundabout locations.

...And yes -- replacement would result in fewer accidents, as you said...
Big "WHOOPS!!" here. My original post did say (I've since edited it) replacing roundabouts would result in fewer accidents. That is NOT what I intended to say. Replacing the roundabouts with stop signs or signalized intersections would almost certainly INCREASE the number of accidents.

Sorry our one apparent point of agreement was really just a bit of careless writing on my part. :)

...Where does one find these "traffic studies" to substantiate what you are saying?...
I particularly recommend the first link for a quick summary from the federal government, especially with respect to safety of roundabouts...

Intersection Safety - Safety | Federal Highway Administration (http://safety.fhwa.dot.gov/intersection/innovative/roundabouts/fhwasa08006/)
Intersection Safety - Safety | Federal Highway Administration (http://safety.fhwa.dot.gov/intersection/innovative/roundabouts/)
WSDOT - Roundabout Benefits (https://www.wsdot.wa.gov/Safety/roundabouts/benefits.htm)
MythBusters Tackles Four-Way Stop V. Roundabout Traffic Throughput - nextSTL (https://nextstl.com/2013/10/mythbusters-tackles-four-way-stop-v-roundabout-traffic-throughput/)
The Case for More Traffic Roundabouts (https://priceonomics.com/the-case-for-more-traffic-roundabouts/)

Plenty more available, most easily found using typical searches.

...A "professional engineer?" So is my husband. I have never heard of a degree in "transportation engineering," per se...
Since you're going that route, actually it's "Professional Engineer", as I'm sure you're husband will confirm. And I didn't realized you were so interested in the gory details, so...my degree is Master of Engineering, Major in Civil Engineering, specializing in Transportation, University of Florida, 1976. Sorry I wasn't so verbose in my op.

...Does it have something to do with a bus?
I won't dignify that comment with a reply.



I know you were hanging on every word of this post, weren't you GE!!??!! :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Mrs. Robinson]

I never said the two were synonymous. Those are your words. But no engineer or anybody else with any common sense would ever consider an intersection efficient if it resulted in lots of accidents.

The roundabouts in TV are plenty large enough to handle the traffic load they are designed to handle, which is the traffic along Buena Vista, Morse, and cross streets. How many vehicles fits in the roundabout at any given instant has little to do with the efficiency of the roundabout.

The efficiency of an intersection is measured more by how many vehicles can pass safely through the intersection in a given unit of time and...more importantly...how much delay there is for vehicles attempting to pass through the intersection. Overall vehicle delays on Buena Vista and Morse would increase dramatically if stop signs or traffic signals were implemented at current roundabout locations.

Big "WHOOPS!!" here. My original post did say (I've since edited it) replacing roundabouts would result in fewer accidents. That is NOT what I intended to say. Replacing the roundabouts with stop signs or signalized intersections would almost certainly INCREASE the number of accidents.

Sorry our one apparent point of agreement was really just a bit of careless writing on my part. :)

I particularly recommend the first link for a quick summary from the federal government, especially with respect to safety of roundabouts...

Intersection Safety - Safety | Federal Highway Administration (http://safety.fhwa.dot.gov/intersection/innovative/roundabouts/fhwasa08006/)
Intersection Safety - Safety | Federal Highway Administration (http://safety.fhwa.dot.gov/intersection/innovative/roundabouts/)
WSDOT - Roundabout Benefits (https://www.wsdot.wa.gov/Safety/roundabouts/benefits.htm)
MythBusters Tackles Four-Way Stop V. Roundabout Traffic Throughput - nextSTL (https://nextstl.com/2013/10/mythbusters-tackles-four-way-stop-v-roundabout-traffic-throughput/)
The Case for More Traffic Roundabouts (https://priceonomics.com/the-case-for-more-traffic-roundabouts/)

Plenty more available, most easily found using typical searches.

Since you're going that route, actually it's "Professional Engineer", as I'm sure you're husband will confirm. And I didn't realized you were so interested in the gory details, so...my degree is Master of Engineering, Major in Civil Engineering, specializing in Transportation, University of Florida, 1976. Sorry I wasn't so verbose in my op.

I won't dignify that comment with a reply.

I know you were hanging on every word of this post, weren't you GE!!??!! :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Okay, Polar Bear. Truce! It's okay that we mostly, don't agree. :D

Just a couple of observations and points and then I'll quit. :thumbup:

Since Buena Vista and Morse are our main thoroughfares, in the spirit of reaching a destination within a reasonable amount of time with no aggravation, it would be so nice to be able to drive from one end of TV to the other without so many of the circles. Unfortunately, not possible.

I would guess that 98% of residents never dealt with circles in their previous home town. They had 2 to 4-way stop signs and traffic lights. They probably had a similar amount of accidents as here, give or take a few.

Morse, north of 466, has no circles. Egress from each Villages is via a stop sign. Morse is only one lane in each direction with no median. There are hardly any accidents. :shrug:

Okay. I'm done. Peace!
:Screen_of_Death:

[Bogie Shooter]

HooRay!!

[The Villages Guy]

Well, my own wife went through the roundabout and broke the rules....as she cut from the outside lane to the inside lane right in front of me. When I caught back up with her, I mentioned how that is exactly the way NOT to do it. She said, well no one else was around, so no big deal. I hope she learns quickly, before someone else IS around her car.

[bbbbbb]

[QUOTE=l2ridehd;1325970]Roundabouts are nothing but a traffic light replacement and work EXACTLY the same way.

If you wanted to turn right at a traffic light, you would make that lane choice before getting there and come at it from the right hand lane. You would also yield to anyone already in the traffic flow.

If you wanted to turn left at a traffic light you would make that lane choice before getting there and come at it from the left hand lane.

If you were planning to go straight through you would use either lane.

OK So:

Hi, it seems to me that your description is the best of all and it does look good. Thanks bbbbbb

[photo1902]

Okay, Polar Bear. Truce! It's okay that we mostly, don't agree. :D

Just a couple of observations and points and then I'll quit. :thumbup:

Since Buena Vista and Morse are our main thoroughfares, in the spirit of reaching a destination within a reasonable amount of time with no aggravation, it would be so nice to be able to drive from one end of TV to the other without so many of the circles. Unfortunately, not possible.

I would guess that 98% of residents never dealt with circles in their previous home town. They had 2 to 4-way stop signs and traffic lights. They probably had a similar amount of accidents as here, give or take a few.

Morse, north of 466, has no circles. Egress from each Villages is via a stop sign. Morse is only one lane in each direction with no median. There are hardly any accidents. :shrug:

Okay. I'm done. Peace!
:Screen_of_Death:


There is a traffic circle on Morse north of 466. Its just prior to 441.

[Bogie Shooter]

[QUOTE=l2ridehd;1325970]Roundabouts are nothing but a traffic light replacement and work EXACTLY the same way.

If you wanted to turn right at a traffic light, you would make that lane choice before getting there and come at it from the right hand lane. You would also yield to anyone already in the traffic flow.

If you wanted to turn left at a traffic light you would make that lane choice before getting there and come at it from the left hand lane.

If you were planning to go straight through you would use either lane.

OK So:

Hi, it seems to me that your description is the best of all and it does look good. Thanks bbbbbb

That's exactly what that big green sign located on the right side of the road, just prior to approaching a roundabout directs you to do.

[circletrack]

It's been mentioned several times, but man I wish folks would stop holding up traffic to let carts cross before entering the roundabouts. Happens nearly every day as I drive into Spanish Springs from Paige Place. You are NOT being courteous, and you can get someone killed.

[circletrack]

Okay, Polar Bear. Truce! It's okay that we mostly, don't agree. :D

Just a couple of observations and points and then I'll quit. :thumbup:

Since Buena Vista and Morse are our main thoroughfares, in the spirit of reaching a destination within a reasonable amount of time with no aggravation, it would be so nice to be able to drive from one end of TV to the other without so many of the circles. Unfortunately, not possible.

I would guess that 98% of residents never dealt with circles in their previous home town. They had 2 to 4-way stop signs and traffic lights. They probably had a similar amount of accidents as here, give or take a few.

Morse, north of 466, has no circles. Egress from each Villages is via a stop sign. Morse is only one lane in each direction with no median. There are hardly any accidents. :shrug:

Okay. I'm done. Peace!
:Screen_of_Death:

You think that stopping at several traffic lights instead of constantly flowing traffic circles would provide a less aggravating drive?