gen. Mattis (mad dog) eager for confrontation with iran

[jebartle]

That is one of reasons Obama replaced mad dog! Do you want us to go to war with Iran?????

[jimbo2012]

Nice fear monger

Obama only wanted YES men around him!!!!

Pentagon insiders say that he rubbed civilian officials the wrong way -- not because he went all "mad dog," which is his public image, and the view at the White House, but rather because he pushed the civilians so hard on considering the second- and third-order consequences of military action against Iran. Some of those questions apparently were uncomfortable. Like, what do you do with Iran once the nuclear issue is resolved and it remains a foe? What do you do if Iran then develops conventional capabilities that could make it hazardous for U.S. Navy ships to operate in the Persian Gulf? He kept saying, "And then what?"

There is also a belief that Mattis and Obama differed on Iran. "A particular point of disagreement was what to do about mischief Iran is exporting to other countries. Mattis is indeed more hawkish on this than the White House was," writes Ricks in yet another post.

"National Security Advisor Tom Donilon in particular was irked by Mattis's insistence on being heard. I cringe when I hear about civilians shutting down strategic discussions. That is exactly what the Bush administration did in late 2002 when generals persisted in questioning whether it was wise to invade Iraq. That led to what some might call a fiasco."

Source (https://www.google.com/)

[jebartle]

Mattis quote, "be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill whoever you meet"

[jimbo2012]

yes to his Marines going to front line

:beer3:

His appointment sends a strong message.

What do you think our enemies are saying among themselves now?

Do you think Russia will do a flyby on one of our ships now?

North Korea?

Sure beats Obama bowing to everyone!!!!!

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[MDLNB]

Gen Mattis...........A great choice. Probably will not get confirmed by congress. He scares liberals so much they mess their shorts.

[billethkid]

We will seee if Trump's advisors are doing him well.

I would like to think Trump would not offer up a candidate unless he was fairly certain the approval is reasonable to expect.

We shall see.

It would be nice if we Americans see the valid reasons for choosing him. And let our enemies fear the reasons why he should not be the nominee.

As for the nick name "mad dog" it has been written the only people he tolerates that name from are those under his command.

[jimbo2012]

Mattis would also need a waiver from Congress in order to be confirmed.

he is not 7 years retired, but should be ez to get.

Mattis, 66, would join a Trump national security team that already includes retired Army Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn as national security adviser and Rep. Mike Pompeo as CIA director.

[TexaninVA]

We will seee if Trump's advisors are doing him well.

I would like to think Trump would not offer up a candidate unless he was fairly certain the approval is reasonable to expect.

We shall see.

It would be nice if we Americans see the valid reasons for choosing him. And let our enemies fear the reasons why he should not be the nominee.

As for the nick name "mad dog" it has been written the only people he tolerates that name from are those under his command.

His other nickname is "Warrior Monk" because of his extensive readings and lifelong study of the art of war etc. I think this guy is an outstanding choice for SecDef.

[Don Baldwin]

His other nickname is "Warrior Monk" because of his extensive readings and lifelong study of the art of war etc. I think this guy is an outstanding choice for SecDef.

WWIII is nearer than I'd hoped...the chess pieces are moving. A big war is needed for the great financial reset that is desperately needed. Things will get ugly. Hope you enjoyed the good times. talk to your parents who went through WWII, they'll tell you...war sucks...even when it's being fought far away.

[TexaninVA]

WWIII is nearer than I'd hoped...the chess pieces are moving. A big war is needed for the great financial reset that is desperately needed. Things will get ugly. Hope you enjoyed the good times. talk to your parents who went through WWII, they'll tell you...war sucks...even when it's being fought far away.

I would have suggested you retreat to a safe space at the Lifelong Learning College to learn how a strong military deters war but, unfortunately, that is no longer an option.

[janmcn]

Mattis would also need a waiver from Congress in order to be confirmed.

he is not 7 years retired, but should be ez to get.

Mattis, 66, would join a Trump national security team that already includes retired Army Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn as national security adviser and Rep. Mike Pompeo as CIA director.


The waiver from the senate requires 60 votes. Trump's own senator Kristen Jillibrand will vote no.

[Paper1]

WWIII is nearer than I'd hoped...the chess pieces are moving. A big war is needed for the great financial reset that is desperately needed. Things will get ugly. Hope you enjoyed the good times. talk to your parents who went through WWII, they'll tell you...war sucks...even when it's being fought far away.

I really don't know enough about this General to have an opinion but what does everyone think of a new war tax big enough to pay for the last 14 year effort in the middle east and while we are at it finish paying for the Korean and Vietnam conflicts we are still on the hook for. Maybe we could leave it for our grandchildren? Now that is a novel idea.

[MDLNB]

I really don't know enough about this General to have an opinion but what does everyone think of a new war tax big enough to pay for the last 14 year effort in the middle east and while we are at it finish paying for the Korean and Vietnam conflicts we are still on the hook for. Maybe we could leave it for our grandchildren? Now that is a novel idea.

Johnson passed a 6% war surtax to pay for Vietnam in 1967, I believe. It was later repealed.

[MDLNB]

Taxes were also raised to pay for the Korean War.

[jimbo2012]

The waiver from the senate requires 60 votes. Trump's own senator Kristen Jillibrand will vote no.

Don't count your chickens

Also some Dems will vote him esp former military

[janmcn]

Don't count your chickens

Also some Dems will vote him esp former military


Sen Jillibrand said as soon as the speech was over that she could not vote yes. The GOP will need nine dem votes to pass this waiver. Sen Schumer needs to negotiate with GOP to see what he can get in return for providing those nine votes.

[Rockyrd]

Sen Jillibrand said as soon as the speech was over that she could not vote yes. The GOP will need nine dem votes to pass this waiver. Sen Schumer needs to negotiate with GOP to see what he can get in return for providing those nine votes.

It is a good choice in my opinion and once folks save some face with a bit of bluster he will be fonfirmed

[jimbo2012]

Wow, next you'll tell us U now support Trump.


:beer3:

[Rockyrd]

Actually, you all should read this FROM JANUARY 2013.

"Word on the national security street is that General James Mattis is being given the bum’s rush out of his job as commander of Central Command, and is being told to vacate his office several months earlier than planned.

Why the hurry? Pentagon insiders say that he rubbed civilian officials the wrong way — not because he went all “mad dog,” which is his public image, and the view at the White House, but rather because he pushed the civilians so hard on considering the second- and third-order consequences of military action against Iran. Some of those questions apparently were uncomfortable. Like, what do you do with Iran once the nuclear issue is resolved and it remains a foe? What do you do if Iran then develops conventional capabilities that could make it hazardous for U.S. Navy ships to operate in the Persian Gulf? He kept saying, “And then what?”

"Inquiry along these lines apparently was not welcomed — at least in the CENTCOM view. The White House view, apparently, is that Mattis was too hawkish, which is not something I believe, having seen him in the field over the years. I’d call him a tough-minded realist, someone who’d rather have tea with you than shoot you, but is happy to end the conversation either way."

The Obama administration’s inexplicable mishandling of Marine Gen. James Mattis | Foreign Policy (http://foreignpolicy.com/2013/01/18/the-obama-administrations-inexplicable-mishandling-of-marine-gen-james-mattis-2/)

This makes much more sense than all the conspiracy theories and the political intrigue.

[ColdNoMore]

Rumor has it that his lifelong singlehood is because he's a closet gay, which would actually be a positive as then maybe some of the homphobe's on the right...will become disabused of their negative stereotypes of homosexuals.

[TexaninVA]

Rumor has it that his lifelong singlehood is because he's a closet gay, which would actually be a positive as then maybe some of the homphobe's on the right...will become disabused of their negative stereotypes of homosexuals.

Some of the best soldiers in Ancient Greece were gay because as lovers they had intense unit cohesion and would fight to the death. Sparta was finally defeated by the gay contingent of Thebans

Having said that I don't think the Warrior Monk is gay

[MDLNB]

Some say that CNM is gay, but we believe in diversity here, so all is good.

Gillibrand said she feels that Secstate should not be military, but civilian. Is she totally wacko or what? Powell was a retired General and he was Secstate.

[ColdNoMore]

Some say that CNM is gay, but we believe in diversity here, so all is good.


I'm sorry (for you) that I am a heterosexual male, so your poor pickup line...will just have to be directed at someone else.

But hey, I don't judge by sexual orientation and I certainly don't try and use it for denigration...so good luck. :thumbup:

[Don Baldwin]

Some of the best soldiers in Ancient Greece were gay because as lovers they had intense unit cohesion and would fight to the death. Sparta was finally defeated by the gay contingent of Thebans

Having said that I don't think the Warrior Monk is gay

So...the Greek government USED gays to their advantage...and got them slaughtered at the same time...ingenious! Let's make our military gay only and send them in WWI style!

The Great Ancient Greece is gone...so having gays in the military in the long run...didn't matter...did it? So there's no benefit from having gays in the population.

I do thank you though...your post made me google gays in the ancient Greek army.

[MDLNB]

So...the Greek government USED gays to their advantage...and got them slaughtered at the same time...ingenious! Let's make our military gay only and send them in WWI style!

The Great Ancient Greece is gone...so having gays in the military in the long run...didn't matter...did it? So there's no benefit from having gays in the population.

I do thank you though...your post made me google gays in the ancient Greek army.

Many Japanese samurai were also gay. Not that this has anything to do with the subject. I doubt if Mattis is gay, but that is a personal thing that should be kept personal and not flaunted about like many crazies with their deviant lifestyle. Apparently, regardless of sexual orientation, Mattis has a reputation for being an extraordinary leader.

[MDLNB]

I'm sorry (for you) that I am a heterosexual male, so your poor pickup line...will just have to be directed at someone else.

But hey, I don't judge by sexual orientation and I certainly don't try and use it for denigration...so good luck. :thumbup:

Come on, are you really a male? That's hard to believe. :1rotfl:

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

WWIII is nearer than I'd hoped...the chess pieces are moving. A big war is needed for the great financial reset that is desperately needed. Things will get ugly. Hope you enjoyed the good times. talk to your parents who went through WWII, they'll tell you...war sucks...even when it's being fought far away.

We are in the middle of WWIII. We'd better start doing something about winning it or we're doomed.

[MDLNB]

We are in the middle of WWIII. We'd better start doing something about winning it or we're doomed.

Wow, I haven't thought of it like that. Maybe I should see if I can get a permit to have a bomb shelter installed in my back yard. WWIII? That sounds serious.

[Paper1]

Johnson passed a 6% war surtax to pay for Vietnam in 1967, I believe. It was later repealed.

I did not remember that as it was before I joined workforce so thank you for the history lesson.

[janmcn]

Some say that CNM is gay, but we believe in diversity here, so all is good.

Gillibrand said she feels that Secstate should not be military, but civilian. Is she totally wacko or what? Powell was a retired General and he was Secstate.


Gillibrand was talking about Sec of Defense, who is required under federal law to be a civilian. This law has been on the books since 1947 and no waiver request has been made since 1950.

Democrats can prevent Mattis from getting the waiver, and therefore will not be confirmed.

[jimbo2012]

He's a done deal for approval

Please research a bit before posting

However, Congress almost immediately allowed for an exception for George C. Marshall

Mattis has the endorsement of Senator John McCain, a Republican and Chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee.

Armed Services Committee member Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) said he's "confident the waiver allowing him to serve as secretary of Defense will be approved by Congress."

[MDLNB]

Gillibrand was talking about Sec of Defense, who is required under federal law to be a civilian. This law has been on the books since 1947 and no waiver request has been made since 1950.

Democrats can prevent Mattis from getting the waiver, and therefore will not be confirmed.

Powell was retired. Mattis is retired. The rule is that he has to have left the service at least seven years, without a waiver. A waiver has been granted before, and it can be again. He is a civilian now so he is NOT military.

Time for the left to either get on the wagon or sit back and shut up. Either way is the "PC" way to handle the situation.

[Rockyrd]

Powell was retired. Mattis is retired. The rule is that he has to have left the service at least seven years, without a waiver. A waiver has been granted before, and it can be again. He is a civilian now so he is NOT military.

Time for the left to either get on the wagon or sit back and shut up. Either way is the "PC" way to handle the situation.

Don't be so defensive. Many democrats support him.

After some verbal bombs, he will get the waiver and then go through an ordeal till confirmed.

You folks need to get out and see how it works. It is difficult to not be confirmed...,now Sessions will be the biggest problem.

[MDLNB]

Don't be so defensive. Many democrats support him.

After some verbal bombs, he will get the waiver and then go through an ordeal till confirmed.

You folks need to get out and see how it works. It is difficult to not be confirmed...,now Sessions will be the biggest problem.

:1rotfl:

[janmcn]

Don't be so defensive. Many democrats support him.

After some verbal bombs, he will get the waiver and then go through an ordeal till confirmed.

You folks need to get out and see how it works. It is difficult to not be confirmed...,now Sessions will be the biggest problem.


Please list eight or nine democrats that Trump can pull out of his hat to support the waiver that Mattis will need get to confirmation. McCain and Graham are republicans.

[jimbo2012]

Please list eight or nine democrats that Trump can pull out of his hat to support the waiver that Mattis will need get to confirmation. McCain and Graham are republicans.

Sen. Chris Coons, a Democrat from Delaware,
Sen. Jeanne Shaheen (D., N.H.),

Rep. Adam Schiff (Calif.), the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee,

Michèle Flournoy, a Democrat who was seen as a top candidate to head the Defense Department under a Hillary Clinton administration, said Mattis would be an “outstanding candidate” to head the Pentagon.

more will will come it still 60 days away

[janmcn]

He's a done deal for approval

Please research a bit before posting

However, Congress almost immediately allowed for an exception for George C. Marshall

Mattis has the endorsement of Senator John McCain, a Republican and Chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee.

Armed Services Committee member Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) said he's "confident the waiver allowing him to serve as secretary of Defense will be approved by Congress."


The George C Marshall waiver happened in 1950, when Harry Truman was president. A lot has changed since then.

Sen. Chris Coons, a Democrat from Delaware,
Sen. Jeanne Shaheen (D., N.H.),

Rep. Adam Schiff (Calif.), the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee,

Michèle Flournoy, a Democrat who was seen as a top candidate to head the Defense Department under a Hillary Clinton administration, said Mattis would be an “outstanding candidate” to head the Pentagon.

more will will come it still 60 days away


That is two democratic senators, still need six or seven more. Only the senate votes on the waiver, and there must be 60 votes to pass.

[jimbo2012]

Keep your shirt on

the glass is always half empty to U I suppose

[rubicon]

The- thread is called Gen Miattis (mad dog) eager for confrontation with Iran. I believe in the phrase peace through strength. It seems to me counter-intuitive to allow nations who are clearly evil and aggressive to operate with impunity. 9/11 should have taught us a very important lesson. And the subsequent attacks in Asia, Europe, Africa and America on innocent people by these evil doers are not going away. Iran, is a sponsor of terror.

I believe the mistake we have made for a long time is ignoring our generals and trying to politically fight our wars.

If you objectively view Trump's choices he is making it clear to our enemy that the Obama strategy from leading from behind is over.

Trump by his own admission does not favor war but he is also a guy who deals in present realities

Personal Best Regards:

[jimbo2012]

Well said :thumbup:

[ColdNoMore]

...snip>Trump by his own admission does not favor war<snip...


Trump loves War - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZIobGawtZU)


Between depending on fake news sites, making up your own statistics/%'s, painting with broad brushes, patting yourself on the back for supposedly taking the high road and your outright lies...you are actually very entertaining. :thumbup:

[MDLNB]

Trump loves War - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZIobGawtZU)


Between depending on fake news sites, making up your own statistics/%'s, painting with broad brushes, patting yourself on the back for supposedly taking the high road and your outright lies...you are actually very entertaining. :thumbup:

Guess what? You are NOT.

Hey CNM...........pull my finger......:a20:

[MDLNB]

The- thread is called Gen Miattis (mad dog) eager for confrontation with Iran. I believe in the phrase peace through strength. It seems to me counter-intuitive to allow nations who are clearly evil and aggressive to operate with impunity. 9/11 should have taught us a very important lesson. And the subsequent attacks in Asia, Europe, Africa and America on innocent people by these evil doers are not going away. Iran, is a sponsor of terror.

I believe the mistake we have made for a long time is ignoring our generals and trying to politically fight our wars.

If you objectively view Trump's choices he is making it clear to our enemy that the Obama strategy from leading from behind is over.

Trump by his own admission does not favor war but he is also a guy who deals in present realities

Personal Best Regards:

:agree: